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morlock with a day pass
11-21-2010, 10:43 AM
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1223/99150310.jpg (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/99150310.jpg/)

i just finished a chapter of the secret wars ll omnibus (it was an issue of uncanny x-men) and was surprised to read the above panel. i did an image search for it and it's just one of a few instances in which she used the slur!

Bervda
11-21-2010, 10:44 AM
Context sir, context.

Slewo.O
11-21-2010, 10:46 AM
Is that a mullet?

ernster
11-21-2010, 10:47 AM
shh... my grandma says that if she hears you that she'll put the sheeny curse on you.

The Hodag
11-21-2010, 10:48 AM
i just finished a chapter of the secret wars ll omnibus (it was an issue of uncanny x-men) and was surprised to read the above panel. i did an image search for it and it's just one of a few instances in which she used the slur!

I can think of two cases (the other's in God Loves, Man Kills when she yelled at Stevie Hunter) and both were heated moments likening mutant prejudice to racial prejudice.

Claremont was always a guy who returned to the same well a little too often, but they're both interesting scenes.

artimoff
11-21-2010, 10:48 AM
Is that a mullet?

Yes, JRJR gave Kitty a mullet in the 80's.

CapnChaos
11-21-2010, 10:49 AM
Why that dirty ki... er, never mind.

Slewo.O
11-21-2010, 10:49 AM
Yes, JRJR gave Kitty a mullet in the 80's.

All I can say is... yuck.

Ray G.
11-21-2010, 10:50 AM
It's definitely an awkward scene by today's standards, but considering that she lives in a world where a lot of people want to execute her for her DNA, I think her comparison of "mutie" to the N-word is fairly accurate.

mario
11-21-2010, 10:51 AM
All I can say is... yuck.

Male comicbook artists are not great fashion experts

frzamonkey
11-21-2010, 11:05 AM
i remember reading that and having it hit hard, the way it was supposed to.

Hate_Prime
11-21-2010, 11:06 AM
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1223/99150310.jpg (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/99150310.jpg/)


Isn't this a plot to A Patch of Blue?

Supreme Convoy
11-21-2010, 11:07 AM
Male comicbook artists are not great fashion experts

Adrian Alphona is the most notable exception.

artimoff
11-21-2010, 11:12 AM
Male comicbook artists are not great fashion experts

Except for Gary Frank. Frank is usually really great.

mario
11-21-2010, 11:51 AM
Adrian Alphona is the most notable exception.


Except for Gary Frank. Frank is usually really great.

Probably, but in the eighties they pretty much all sucked :)

iGotKittyPryde
11-21-2010, 12:01 PM
As noted before: this is pretty much a cut rate variant on a similar better scene in God Loves Man Kills, where it works rather well and is a nice insight to the mutant prejudice being on the same level as racial prejudice issues talked about there.

GLMK is really, I think, at the end of the day Claremont's definitive statement of how he saw the X-Men concept. Not to say it's the best of his X-Men stuff (it might be, actually) but it reads, to me, as a destilling of everything he wanted to say with it.

Alexander Hamilton
11-21-2010, 12:06 PM
Probably, but in the eighties they pretty much all sucked :)

In their defense, fashion in 80's just sucked all on its own.

Mullets, shoulder pads, and day-glow colors.. ew.

The Hodag
11-21-2010, 12:17 PM
GLMK is really, I think, at the end of the day Claremont's definitive statement of how he saw the X-Men concept. Not to say it's the best of his X-Men stuff (it might be, actually) but it reads, to me, as a destilling of everything he wanted to say with it.

I've always felt this as well.

Spidey616
11-21-2010, 12:42 PM
Kitty Pryde is a jerk!
;)

George Relish Pants
11-21-2010, 01:05 PM
Probably, but in the eighties they pretty much all sucked :)

Do you guys remember "fashion" in the 80's?

modungo
11-21-2010, 02:33 PM
Yes, JRJR gave Kitty a mullet in the 80's.

In the eighties JRJR gave everybody a mullet.

mario
11-21-2010, 02:50 PM
Do you guys remember "fashion" in the 80's?

of course I do :surrend:

TheKraken
11-21-2010, 02:51 PM
In the eighties JRJR gave everybody a mullet.

And in most of the 90s.

The Robot Lord of Tokyo
11-21-2010, 04:34 PM
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1223/99150310.jpg (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/99150310.jpg/)


Wow, when Jeff Goldblum met DeBarge back in the eighties it sure got heated.......

OliverSava
11-21-2010, 05:16 PM
Adrian Alphona is the most notable exception.

Probably my favorite artist of all time, just for his clothes alone.

The Hodag
11-21-2010, 06:15 PM
Wow, when Jeff Goldblum met DeBarge back in the eighties it sure got heated.......

:lol:

Very nice.

dasNdanger
11-21-2010, 07:15 PM
Isn't this a plot to A Patch of Blue?

:lol:

I love that movie.


das

The Zevad
11-21-2010, 08:38 PM
This reminds me of the horror of Amazing Spider-Man #249. Peter Parker in a half shirt that says Animal and wearing cut off jean shorts. Ewwwwww.

BENDIS!
11-21-2010, 08:51 PM
ah, secret wars 2, all kinds of bad in all kinds of ways...

ernster
11-21-2010, 10:14 PM
aw c'mon. who doesn't like remembering the scene where parker explained to the beyonder how to take a shit?

The Hodag
11-21-2010, 10:35 PM
This reminds me of the horror of Amazing Spider-Man #249. Peter Parker in a half shirt that says Animal and wearing cut off jean shorts. Ewwwwww.

I feel compelled to contextualize slightly: the shirt was made out to be a gag gift from someone.

The Hodag
11-21-2010, 10:38 PM
aw c'mon. who doesn't like remembering the scene where parker explained to the beyonder how to take a shit?

Piss, actually.

ernster
11-21-2010, 10:46 PM
didn't he describe it as being a feeling of pressure in his lower abdomen? a better question would be why the beyonder didn't just let loose if he had no idea what he was holding in.

morlock with a day pass
11-21-2010, 11:04 PM
aw c'mon. who doesn't like remembering the scene where parker explained to the beyonder how to take a shit?


Piss, actually.

i just read that scene earlier and i guess it could be open to interpretation which way it, or maybe more accurately, he went. with the beyonder's cry of "the experience is consummated!", it's certainly funnier to think he just pooped. but then again, a very short time seems to pass while he's in the john. but who could possibly know how long it takes a cosmic power residing in a facsimile of steve roger's body to piss or poop in peter parker's apartment?

the actual line of dialogue:

THE BEYONDER: "Will that relieve this strange pressure--this fullness I feel in my lower abdomen?"

TIP
11-22-2010, 03:12 AM
http://www.comics101.com/comics101//images/view.php?src=../news/Comics%20101/183/bathroom.jpg&w=

Girlfriend In A Coma
11-22-2010, 03:13 AM
I missed these issues somehow. My my.

ShortStack
11-22-2010, 03:16 AM
Male comicbook artists are not great fashion experts

The 80's was a pretty dark time for fashion in general.

The Hodag
11-22-2010, 04:23 AM
http://www.comics101.com/comics101//images/view.php?src=../news/Comics%20101/183/bathroom.jpg&w=

As awful as SW2 was, you gotta admit that page is pretty hilarious.

Parker's "oboy" deserves to become adopted on the board as a facepalm-type response when posters launch into their same ol' same ol'.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2j2gmle.jpg

Use at your discretion.

TIP
11-22-2010, 04:46 AM
As awful as SW2 was, you gotta admit that page is pretty hilarious.

Parker's "oboy" deserves to become adopted on the board as a facepalm-type response when posters launch into their same ol' same ol'.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2j2gmle.jpg

Use at your discretion.

:thumb:

joshdahl
11-22-2010, 06:05 AM
That "Gee, I dunno, Phil" is one of the reasons that Kitty Pryde has always been one of my favorite X-Men.

She's not just making a point, she's not just standing up to a bully, she's not just showing pride in who she is... she is also being a snotty jerk about it.

It is such a caustic way of saying... "Yes I am, but I don't like the terms you use. I am sure you can relate."

She is so much more punk-rock than Storm could ever be.

Gregory
11-22-2010, 06:16 AM
At the time, IIRR, that comic's angriest complaint in a subsequent letter column bemoaned JRJR depicting a fired bullet with the shell attached.

Roman Noodles
11-22-2010, 06:17 AM
Male comicbook artists are not great fashion experts

Exception: Alphona!!!

Marcdachamp
11-22-2010, 06:26 AM
It's definitely an awkward scene by today's standards, but considering that she lives in a world where a lot of people want to execute her for her DNA, I think her comparison of "mutie" to the N-word is fairly accurate.

Yep. It adds a ton of weight and realism to the book. It's something they would never get away with today, though.

ERNIE_E
11-22-2010, 07:41 AM
http://www.comics101.com/comics101//images/view.php?src=../news/Comics%20101/183/bathroom.jpg&w=

Bastard, I don't think he washed his hands. The horror!:nodidnt:

Marcdachamp
11-22-2010, 07:48 AM
The worst fashion example I've ever seen in a Marvel comic has to be the way Johnny Storm dressed during the Typhoid Mary issues of Daredevil. Also drawn by JR Jr. :lol:

Benel Germosen
11-22-2010, 08:54 AM
Yep. It adds a ton of weight and realism to the book. It's something they would never get away with today, though.

Yeah, I'm sure Kitty Pryde has trouble catching a cab because she's a mutant.

russw
11-22-2010, 09:34 AM
http://www.comics101.com/comics101//images/view.php?src=../news/Comics%20101/183/bathroom.jpg&w=

"The experience is consummated" makes it sound more like he jerked one out in there

:scared:

The Hodag
11-22-2010, 09:39 AM
Yeah, I'm sure Kitty Pryde has trouble catching a cab because she's a mutant.

If they saw here phase, she probably would. Any mutant with clear physical mutations would.

Maestro
11-22-2010, 09:45 AM
ah, secret wars 2, all kinds of bad in all kinds of ways...

I for one would love to see the Beyonder in your next Marvel Universe-wide epic. :)

Marcdachamp
11-22-2010, 09:58 AM
If they saw here phase, she probably would. Any mutant with clear physical mutations would.

Yup.

Benel Germosen
11-22-2010, 10:01 AM
If they saw here phase, she probably would. Any mutant with clear physical mutations would.

In that scenerio, sure. But her waving down a cab as is wouldn't register a second look. The character is literally a non-threatening white girl. Kinda undercuts the analogy a bit.

TIP
11-22-2010, 10:03 AM
"The experience is consummated" makes it sound more like he jerked one out in there

:scared:


So had himself a

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9296/hulkvsthorbathroom.jpg

http://www.scuffletown.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/funnycomic_capwank.jpg

Kedd
11-22-2010, 10:04 AM
http://www.comics101.com/comics101//images/view.php?src=../news/Comics%20101/183/bathroom.jpg&w=
Is...is that real? that can't be real...

Kedd
11-22-2010, 10:05 AM
Kitty Pryde is the worst kind of person. :nonono2:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/n4.jpg

Benel Germosen
11-22-2010, 10:14 AM
Kitty Pryde is the worst kind of person. :nonono2:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/n4.jpg

Do people actually call each other slope?

The Hodag
11-22-2010, 10:16 AM
In that scenerio, sure. But her waving down a cab as is wouldn't register a second look. The character is literally a non-threatening white girl. Kinda undercuts the analogy a bit.

I'm pretty sure there are other ways to experience prejudice than being snubbed by cabbies.

But, hey, the X-Men have always been a rather fantasy allegory of prejudice. Most of the favorites are pretty people with cool powers, and it's really sort of a surface thing that they're oh-so-oppressed. But their oppression comes in action/adventure form when Sentinels try to hunt and kill them. Which is sort of more immediate than cabbie snubbings, actually.

The Hodag
11-22-2010, 10:19 AM
Kitty Pryde is the worst kind of person. :nonono2:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/n4.jpg

I forget who drew the issue, but that's Kyle Baker's inking for sure!

And I think the reason Claremont used Kitty for all the charged speech stuff was because she was college age, the time to test boundaries, be rebellious, and say provocative things.

Plus experiment with other girls. You know she and Illyana tried some stuff out.

Buk Was Right
11-22-2010, 10:21 AM
Do people actually call each other slope?

That's old school right there. You don't hear it much these days, but it was definitely a thing.

TIP
11-22-2010, 10:22 AM
Is...is that real? that can't be real...

Oh, it's real, man.

If you ever have a spare couple of bones lying around you should invest in copies of SWII (I figure you could find the entire run for a nickel an issue or so). It's an epic travesty and, thus, a wonder to behold.

Phantom Eagle
11-22-2010, 10:37 AM
Male comicbook artists are not great fashion experts


Probably, but in the eighties they pretty much all sucked :)


In their defense, fashion in 80's just sucked all on its own.

Mullets, shoulder pads, and day-glow colors.. ew.


Do you guys remember "fashion" in the 80's?


In the eighties JRJR gave everybody a mullet.


of course I do :surrend:


And in most of the 90s.


Probably my favorite artist of all time, just for his clothes alone.


The 80's was a pretty dark time for fashion in general.

FEAR THE RAGE OF THE SHE-MULLET

http://media.80stees.com/images/products/She_Mullet-Wig.jpg

http://leighonline.com/images/lisah.jpg

Gregory
11-22-2010, 10:38 AM
Oh, it's real, man.

If you ever have a spare couple of bones lying around you should invest in copies of SWII (I figure you could find the entire run for a nickel an issue or so). It's an epic travesty and, thus, a wonder to behold.

Especially Dazzler dressing Beyonder and quoting ZZ Top.

Kedd
11-22-2010, 11:07 AM
Oh, it's real, man.

If you ever have a spare couple of bones lying around you should invest in copies of SWII (I figure you could find the entire run for a nickel an issue or so). It's an epic travesty and, thus, a wonder to behold.

I've heard tales of how horrible it was. Even though I was reading comics back then, I managed to miss SWII. That panel makes me happy that I did.

TIP
11-22-2010, 11:31 AM
I've heard tales of how horrible it was. Even though I was reading comics back then, I managed to miss SWII. That panel makes me happy that I did.

The Beyonder was also a black man

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__v16ajx69Mw/Sv4W-R1Q5qI/AAAAAAAAFxM/zh0Krmaojfk/s400/Secret+Wars+II+%2367+page+11+panel+3.jpg

The Hodag
11-22-2010, 11:36 AM
The Beyonder was also a black man

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__v16ajx69Mw/Sv4W-R1Q5qI/AAAAAAAAFxM/zh0Krmaojfk/s400/Secret+Wars+II+%2367+page+11+panel+3.jpg

Wow, I read a handful of issues of SW2, but I never saw that.

I'm sorry, black people.

Kedd
11-22-2010, 11:37 AM
The Beyonder was also a black man

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__v16ajx69Mw/Sv4W-R1Q5qI/AAAAAAAAFxM/zh0Krmaojfk/s400/Secret+Wars+II+%2367+page+11+panel+3.jpg
The translation...

TIP
11-22-2010, 11:59 AM
Wow, I read a handful of issues of SW2, but I never saw that.

I'm sorry, black people.

This is from Power Man and Iron Fist #121 (part of the multitude of crossover issues the Beyonder appeared in).

TIP
11-22-2010, 11:59 AM
The translation...

I'd ask Barbara Billingsley but she recently passed away.

Kedd
11-22-2010, 12:21 PM
I'd ask Barbara Billingsley but she recently passed away.
No, I mean the one they provided at the bottom. It's just...it's something.

TIP
11-22-2010, 12:25 PM
No, I mean the one they provided at the bottom. It's just...it's something.

Oh!

Ha!

I skipped right over that.

Ray G.
11-22-2010, 01:40 PM
In that scenerio, sure. But her waving down a cab as is wouldn't register a second look. The character is literally a non-threatening white girl. Kinda undercuts the analogy a bit.

In the context of the story, she is a member of two groups who have actively been threatened with full-on genocide within the last thirty years.

Kedd
11-22-2010, 01:53 PM
In the context of the story, she is a member of two groups who have actively been threatened with full-on genocide within the last thirty years.
Yet she perseveres and hails cabs with a strength that only comes from being a strong black woman.

Greenville 90210
11-22-2010, 03:27 PM
Didn't Kitty also say Storm was "one of the good ones?"

artimoff
11-22-2010, 03:48 PM
Kitty Pryde is the worst kind of person. :nonono2:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/n4.jpg

That's one of my favorite issues of New Mutants. It's Guice/Baker.

Len Snark
11-22-2010, 03:51 PM
Note: this dialogue doesn't work in real life.

Kedd
11-22-2010, 03:55 PM
Didn't Kitty also say Storm was "one of the good ones?"

What. A. Bitch.

Dreg
11-22-2010, 04:14 PM
ah, secret wars 2, all kinds of bad in all kinds of ways...

Well it wouldn't be fair if Luke Cage and Spider-Woman comics took all of the bad for themselves. There's plenty to spread around!

Kefky
11-22-2010, 04:39 PM
Kitty Pryde sucks.

iGotKittyPryde
11-22-2010, 04:52 PM
Kitty Pryde sucks.

...

You take that back!

:sad:

Kefky
11-22-2010, 05:00 PM
I heard she blows, too.

TIP
11-22-2010, 05:02 PM
This is from Power Man and Iron Fist #121 (part of the multitude of crossover issues the Beyonder appeared in).

As fate would have it...

Going through a long box this evening (getting rid of some old stuff) I stumbled across my run(s) of Power Man and Iron First and, yes, I still have this issue.

There's some more great Black Beyonder stuff therein.

May need to break out the scanner.

HoldFastNow
11-22-2010, 05:08 PM
As noted before: this is pretty much a cut rate variant on a similar better scene in God Loves Man Kills, where it works rather well and is a nice insight to the mutant prejudice being on the same level as racial prejudice issues talked about there.

GLMK is really, I think, at the end of the day Claremont's definitive statement of how he saw the X-Men concept. Not to say it's the best of his X-Men stuff (it might be, actually) but it reads, to me, as a destilling of everything he wanted to say with it.

:thumb:

King of Mars
11-22-2010, 05:18 PM
Yes, JRJR gave Kitty a mullet in the 80's.It looks like he gave the black guy a mullet, too.

Frollet?

Frullet?

Mullfro?

The Zevad
11-22-2010, 07:02 PM
I feel compelled to contextualize slightly: the shirt was made out to be a gag gift from someone.

Oh brohaim I totally know. But I'm just commenting on the image itself. I tried looking for it actually online. I don't feel like digging through my long boxes to find the comic and scan the image. Maybe I should. Eh I'll do it thanksgiving unless I can find it on the web.

The Robot Lord of Tokyo
11-22-2010, 07:26 PM
I like how half of this thread is about Kitty's use of racial names and the other half is about the train wreck of Secret Wars 2. Then peanut butter meets jelly and we now have a tasty sandwich.

I only wish that Kitty was in issue 3 of Secret Wars 2. Then she could have helped teach the Beyonder some valuable life lessons along with the Beyonder's hooker and gangster friend.

The Zevad
11-22-2010, 07:33 PM
I remember the beyonder curing all the prostitues of their S.T.D.'s Secret Wars 2 was some silly shit. But I still loved reading it. It's so bad it's good.

The Robot Lord of Tokyo
11-22-2010, 07:40 PM
I remember the beyonder curing all the prostitues of their S.T.D.'s Secret Wars 2 was some silly shit. But I still loved reading it. It's so bad it's good.

Issue three was so amazing in the sense that a mainstream comics in the 80's hit almost every taboo all in one issue.
Hookers, orgies, disease, stereotyped characters, world domination......it had it all.

michealdark
11-22-2010, 07:49 PM
It's definitely an awkward scene by today's standards, but considering that she lives in a world where a lot of people want to execute her for her DNA, I think her comparison of "mutie" to the N-word is fairly accurate.

This

Patch
11-22-2010, 08:37 PM
aw c'mon. who doesn't like remembering the scene where parker explained to the beyonder how to take a shit?

Ever think Q from Star Trek was inspired by the Beyonder?

And the N word isn't Nookie?

cPol
11-23-2010, 03:13 AM
The N-word is Kitty's fallback insult. I remember that one time she called Wolverine an N. She spent 3 days learning how to sleep in phase mode until she convinced Professor X to mind wipe him.

artimoff
11-23-2010, 06:20 AM
Ever think Q from Star Trek was inspired by the Beyonder?

[/I]?


Nope. I bet it was Trelane.

batroc the leaper
11-23-2010, 07:24 AM
The N-word is Kitty's fallback insult. I remember that one time she called Wolverine an N. She spent 3 days learning how to sleep in phase mode until she convinced Professor X to mind wipe him.

I remember when she called a baby the N word after kicking a puppy

evilgenius
11-23-2010, 10:05 AM
"You a tea-party member then, Pryde -- -- like him?"

Kedd
11-23-2010, 11:10 AM
The N-word is Kitty's fallback insult. I remember that one time she called Wolverine an N. She spent 3 days learning how to sleep in phase mode until she convinced Professor X to mind wipe him.

In her defense, she had been drinking peppermint schnapps that she stole from Beast's room.