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Gryphon

03-08-2011, 01:23 PM

Precedence says "no." If you've made it to the main roster yet have returned to FCW, there's a good chance you're visiting the unemployment line soon. Even developmental guys who haven't been called to the main roster can be cut (if they're not "showing people something"). I don't know why you've been using that justification for certain guys being safe over the last few pages.

The only advantage a Husky Harris or a Jackson Andrew has is that they're considerably cheaper to keep employed than a JTG or a Zack Ryder.

Because the guys in FCW get paid less and if somone was partially sent back to fcw, I am assuming that means less pay and therefore, since the releases will be based around saving money, people who get less pay are more likeley to not be fired but I could be wrong.

Kirblar

03-08-2011, 01:25 PM

ImYrWoodbury

03-08-2011, 01:27 PM

They're not going to have any real big names. They don't want anybody to overshadow Michaels.

But who could possibly overshadow HBK?

Drew

03-08-2011, 01:36 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXcerv04qJA

He made it to a Pricing game!

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 01:39 PM

I'm not sure they get a pay decrease if demoted. That would depend on the contract.

Demotion = not good for your chances.

FCW's turning into a disaster area, though, and they're starting to realize it. The guys coming out of it are just way too cookie-cutter.

Hopefully HHH can do what eh wants and revamp the system. Thats the only real positive I can think about him taking over. He has said that FCW isnt a good system and wants to bring in JR to revamp it.

Foolish Mortal

03-08-2011, 01:49 PM

But who could possibly overshadow HBK?

One of the old guard like Savage, or one of the later superstars like The Rock or Goldberg could take away a lot of spotlight from Michaels.

I think Vince wants Michaels to be the main star of the HoF ceremony.

Kirblar

03-08-2011, 01:50 PM

They want a "headliner" for the HoF each year, so they're spacing out the big names.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 01:56 PM

After last night, I think it would be a bad move by WWE to pass up this chance for a double turn.

Kirblar

03-08-2011, 01:57 PM

After last night, I think it would be a bad move by WWE to pass up this chance for a double turn.
....what double turn?

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 02:01 PM

Turn Cena heel and Miz face. Miz got a noticeable pop last night and out did Cena in his promo.

Kirblar

03-08-2011, 02:05 PM

Turn Cena heel and Miz face. Miz got a noticeable pop last night and out did Cena in his promo.
No. Nonononononononononoo. No.

Miz cannot turn face. That would be Randy Orton -2004(?) levels of bad. He's getting pops because Cena's looking terrible in the feud with the Rock.

Foolish Mortal

03-08-2011, 02:12 PM

No. Nonononononononononoo. No.

Miz cannot turn face. That would be Randy Orton -2004(?) levels of bad. He's getting pops because Cena's looking terrible in the feud with the Rock.
John Cena is looking terrible because he's John Cena, and The Rock is The Rock.

Even on his best day, Cena would be hard pressed to match him.

Kirblar

03-08-2011, 02:14 PM

John Cena is looking terrible because he's John Cena, and The Rock is The Rock.

Even on his best day, Cena would be hard pressed to match him.
That's part of it, but the real problem is that Cena's material is so juvenile that it makes a bad comparison way worse than it should be.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:04 PM

Striker is still on NXT but somone is gone and someone new is there.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:06 PM

Its not fathers and sons btw.

Its bad. Pretty bad.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:11 PM

Want to know who the rookies and pros are, or do you want to wait and find out yourselves?

Briomega

03-08-2011, 04:15 PM

I kind of tend to doubt people care about NXT spoilers. heh

Masculine Todd

03-08-2011, 04:16 PM

Because the guys in FCW get paid less and if somone was partially sent back to fcw, I am assuming that means less pay and therefore, since the releases will be based around saving money, people who get less pay are more likeley to not be fired but I could be wrong.

The last sentence of the post that you quoted addressed this. You're probably not protected if you get sent back to FCW. In fact, you're likely deemed a failure. It would be even cheaper/economic to take a guy who hasn't been on T.V. (and therefore avoiding any booker stigmas of being unable to get over) and who hasn't got the "active performer" bump up and put them on the active roster.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:17 PM

The broadcast team is Todd Grisham and William Regal. Striker and Maryse are the “Hosts” of the show.

The show has been titled “NXT: Redemption”

The Rookies, brought back from the past and their Pros are:

-Darren Young with Pro Chavo Guerrero.

-Connor O’Brien with Pro Vladimir Kozlov.

-Lucky Cannon with Pro Tyson Kidd.

-Byron Saxton with Pro Yoshi Tatsu.

-Jacob Novak with Pro JTG.

-Titus O’Neil with Pro Hornswoggle.

There will be NO immunity this season.

Masculine Todd

03-08-2011, 04:22 PM

NXT: Job Squad.

They even chose Superstars openers for coaches. Christ.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:22 PM

BTW smackdown's dark match.
Curt Hawkins lost...... to Shelton Benjamin

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:23 PM

NXT: Job Squad.

They even chose Superstars openers for coaches. Christ.

Yep. This is pretty bad.

Kirblar

03-08-2011, 04:27 PM

BTW smackdown's dark match.
Curt Hawkins lost...... to Shelton Benjamin
Heh, they must be getting really scared about the state of their midcard. (And they should be.)

iGotKittyPryde

03-08-2011, 04:35 PM

I could legitimately see everyone on that show but Regal, Koslov, Hornswaggle and Chavo let go Post-Mania.

And actually maybe Hornswaggle too.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:37 PM

They are only keeping NXT around to keep the copyright on the name NXT. So its no wonder they are dropping the ball. Maybe they are using this to decide who to release.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-08-2011, 04:43 PM

no Eric Escobar?

Briomega

03-08-2011, 04:43 PM

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:47 PM

I wish I was. I really do wish I was.

The spoilers I read after only made it worse.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:52 PM

I really wish they had gone ahead with Fathers and Sons. That would have been awesome.

Kirblar

03-08-2011, 04:55 PM

They are only keeping NXT around to keep the copyright on the name NXT. So its no wonder they are dropping the ball. Maybe they are using this to decide who to release.
It's because they have international contracts to uphold, and need to air some form of original programming to honor them.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 04:56 PM

Oh okay then.

Drew

03-08-2011, 06:26 PM

Crap. Maryse is in danger? Aww.

iGotKittyPryde

03-08-2011, 06:29 PM

Crap. Maryse is in danger? Aww.

Hm. Actually I don't see Maryse as being in danger, I just didn't think of her. But still - like 2/3 of that show are people I'd expect to get cut.

Drew

03-08-2011, 06:32 PM

This really is gonna be a terrible Season of NXT. Titus O'Neal, Lucky Cannon, that Byron Carlton guy.

Damnit, bring back Percy Watson!

Kirblar

03-08-2011, 07:00 PM

Maryse is in like, no danger whatsoever. She's one of the most charismatic women they have. She's just not a good valet.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 07:02 PM

Smackdown spoilers
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_48318.shtml
Michael Cole out to huge heat, Josh Mathews next, and Booker T for the short drive to work in his hometown were out for commentary.

Tonight: Triple H responds to Undertaker.

World champ Edge, with a bandaged left elbow, started the show demanding a fight with Alberto Del Rio tonight. Del Rio interrupted with Big Brodus. After a verbal exchange, Edge tried to attack Del Rio, but Brodus cut him. Christian made the save, his arm also bandaged. Brodus cut him, then refs broke up the scrap. Teddy Long booked a tag match reuniting Edge and Christian, changing original match of Del Rio vs. Christian.

Tonight: Cole with the "interview of the year" with Cena.

Kane came out for the opening match. Wade Barrett was out alone to face him. He called Kane a chemical experiment freak.

(1) Kane beat Barrett via DQ at 0:42. Corre ran in, then Show chased them off. Long booked a tag match.

(2) Big Show & Kane beat Corre (Barrett & Slater) via DQ at 3:22. Show's frying pan chop on Barrett brought a smile to Kane's face early in the match. Kane had Slater measured for a chokeslam, then Corre ran in again for the DQ. Show nailed chair shots on Zeke, then Barrett. Everyone was cleared, then Show randomly smashed a chair over Kane's back. He frowned, then left the ring.

(3) Cody Rhodes beat JTG at 0:50. Rhodes came out in street clothes doing his uncomfortable "don't look at my face" routine. Rhodes flipped the switch once the bell sounded and hit Cross Rhodes for the quick win.

HBK video on Taker vs. Hunter.

Michael Cole in-ring: Cena came out for the interview and took the mic from Cole. Serious promo. Said he's done with b.s. on something that isn't going to happen (Cena vs. Rock) and Miz just made the biggest mistake of his career. Cena said he's done, but Cole told him maybe he's scared of Miz. Cena teased an attack, but Swagger ran in. Swagger tried anklelock, but Cena threw him off. Cena teased the AA on Cole, but Swagger made the save and took the AA for good measure. Cole hightailed it from the ring.

Sin Cara video package aired.

(4) Layla (w/McCool) beat Kaitlyn, who was announced from Houston. Decisive one minute victory. Lay-Cool added a post-match attack.

Cole returned to commentary.

(5) Rey Mysterio beat Drew McIntyre at 5:18. Really nice five minute match. Drew got over his power offense before Rey hit the 619 and top rope splash.

After the match, Rey accepted Cody's challenge for WrestleMania.

Triple H came out for a promo response to Undertaker. Hunter said Taker talked about what he's capable of on Raw. Here's what he's capable of. A video package. Back live, Hunter talked up the Taker vs. HBK matches as two of the greatest ever. He said he never could figure out why HBK couldn't beat Taker until HBK said on Raw he couldn't separate emotion from the match. Hunter talked up Taker's legacy and legend, but said he won't care about that at WrestleMania. He said he has a dark side that will be on display. Hunter concluded by thanking Taker for the No Holds Barred stop. Hunter's music played, then Taker's music played. Taker emerged on-stage. Long pause. DX crotch chop. Throat slash. Taker turned and left. Crowd was mixed with strong reactions for both.

Backstage, Striker talked to Christian about all of the things that have happened in the last ten years since Edge and Christian reunited. Edge walked in and asked if he was ready to do this.

(6) World champ Edge & Christian beat Alberto Del Rio & Brodus Clay at 5:55. Edge and Del Rio were kept separate. Christian hit Tornado DDT and Edge hit a top rope elbow drop on Clay for the win. The taping closed with the heels retreating up the stage.

***

Bonus Dark Match: Edge & Christian & Big Show & Rey Mysterio & John Cena beat Corre & Alberto Del Rio at 11:50 in a 10-man tag match. The finish was Slater taking all of the finishers culminating with Cena delivering AA for the win.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 07:30 PM

I think it might be good for WWE to develop a talent relationship with ROH. Given how WWE takes a lot of their best talent, maybe they could send some guys there who dont get over in the E, until they get over and come back.

Didnt they do something similiar with the original ECW?

The Human Target

03-08-2011, 07:35 PM

Getting over in RoH really has nothing to do with getting over in WWE.

There isn't a ton of audience crossover and the products are pretty different.

Plus, RoH is not as visible as ECW was.

Gryphon

03-08-2011, 07:37 PM

Just so you know, the reason I mentioned that was becasue its being discussed on another forum I go to and I thought I would mention it here.

The Human Target

03-08-2011, 07:47 PM

I'm an RoH fan, I just don't see it helping the WWE.

They can keep doing what they're doing without any sort of actual arrangement between the two.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-08-2011, 08:25 PM

Hopefully what comes about from the supposed inevitable developmental overhaul is that they simply stop pretending only guys who look the same and wrestle the same are acceptable, and they allow for some variation.

ImYrWoodbury

03-09-2011, 05:19 AM

This really is gonna be a terrible Season of NXT. Titus O'Neal, Lucky Cannon, that Byron Carlton guy.

Damnit, bring back Percy Watson!

Percy Watson beat Tyson Kidd in a Dark Match before Raw last week in Buffalo. Oh yeah!

Prime

03-09-2011, 06:12 AM

This really is gonna be a terrible Season of NXT. Titus O'Neal, Lucky Cannon, that Byron Carlton guy.

Damnit, bring back Percy Watson!

The prize this time is....

To be in the next season of NXT. :lol:

methinks most of them will future endeavoured after this.

Gryphon

03-09-2011, 06:13 AM

Anyone else hear the rumour that WWE is planning to bring back the show velocity?

Weasel21385

03-09-2011, 06:42 AM

The prize this time is....

To be in the next season of NXT. :lol:

methinks most of them will future endeavoured after this.

Lucky Cannon is FCW Heavyweight Champion right now, isn't he? Why would they have him beat Mason Ryan for the title if they were just going to release him?

Roger

03-09-2011, 06:56 AM

http://www.tnavictoryroad.com/

FIRST BLOOD MATCH: Hernandez vs. Matt Morgan

ULTIMATE X MATCH FOR THE X TITLE: Jeremy Buck vs. Max Buck vs. (c) Kazarian vs. Robbie E

TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP: Ink Inc vs. (c) Beer Money

CHALLENGE MATCH: Bully Ray vs. Tommy Dreamer

KNOCKOUTS TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP: Sarita & Rosita vs. (c) Angelina Love & Winter

joeAR

03-09-2011, 07:18 AM

Roger

03-09-2011, 07:34 AM

F4WOnline.com is reporting that the WWE creative team has been told not to mention or have either Triple H or The Undertaker reference their match at WrestleMania 17.

As most are aware, 'Taker and Triple H wrestled each other 10 years ago at WrestleMania, and of course The Undertaker won. But WWE wants to put Triple H over as a credible threat to The Undertaker's streak, so creative has been told not to have the bout mentioned on TV so that the marketability of the WrestleMania 27 match is not hurt, nor is the fan's perception that Triple H can actually end the streak.

if you listened to my podcast, i think we figured out that the last time they wrestled was king of the ring 2002.

taker won in a title defense.

Prime

03-09-2011, 07:58 AM

Lucky Cannon is FCW Heavyweight Champion right now, isn't he? Why would they have him beat Mason Ryan for the title if they were just going to release him?

Lucky Cannon is now a heel, wearing a Flair style robe and refusing to do the challenges...

Masculine Todd

03-09-2011, 08:14 AM

Anyone else hear the rumour that WWE is planning to bring back the show velocity?

Christ, why would they do this? Superstars is Velocity. It'd be entirely superfluous. The only benefit to a Velocity-type show would be what money they'd generate from a t.v. deal on a 3rd tier network (and possibly to have a presence on weekend television), but their production and creative staff is already spread thin with the current slate of programming.

I can't imagine the good that can come from another jobber show that will invariably achieve a 0.6 rating. I can't wait for the Tyler Reks/Primo feud!

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-09-2011, 08:42 AM

maybe it has to do with having so much recent stuff to fill the network in a few years?

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-09-2011, 10:21 AM

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/1298018314_000zeagx.gif?w=305&h=175

Masculine Todd

03-09-2011, 10:27 AM

maybe it has to do with having so much recent stuff to fill the network in a few years?

I sorta forgot that was a thing.

ImYrWoodbury

03-09-2011, 01:15 PM

Christ, why would they do this? Superstars is Velocity. It'd be entirely superfluous. The only benefit to a Velocity-type show would be what money they'd generate from a t.v. deal on a 3rd tier network (and possibly to have a presence on weekend television), but their production and creative staff is already spread thin with the current slate of programming.

I can't imagine the good that can come from another jobber show that will invariably achieve a 0.6 rating. I can't wait for the Tyler Reks/Primo feud!

I really miss having a Saturday morning WWE show on Network TV with a couple matches that recaps all the major storylines. I grew up without cable or satellite and the old SuperStars was all I had.

Foolish Mortal

03-09-2011, 01:20 PM

The only thing these "supplement" shows do is give them an excuse to not put good mid-tier guys who need pushes on Raw and SmackDown.

Xorn

03-09-2011, 01:44 PM

I really liked the miz promo at the end of raw. he looked strong for the first time in his feud with cena. if you can call it feud even, cause he is too much on the backburner cause of rock and cena. still hoping he retains.

Gryphon

03-09-2011, 02:29 PM

After watching the season premiere of nxt on youtube I have to conclude that this season is about finding who to fire. Its the pros to lose not the rookies.

DAVE

03-09-2011, 02:49 PM

I'm ignorant, what's the difference between Next and Tuff Enough?

Kirblar

03-09-2011, 02:51 PM

I'm ignorant, what's the difference between Next and Tuff Enough?
Next has gay dates in Harry Potter costumes.

Gryphon

03-09-2011, 03:12 PM

http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/wwe-news/plans-for-wwe-nxt-5-nixed-whats-planned-for-season-6-and-more/

So this is why they went with this crap for NXT.

Hopefully what they had in mind originally was better.

Kirblar

03-09-2011, 03:25 PM

Makes sense, since no one watches NXT anyway.

Daniel K.

03-09-2011, 05:59 PM

Went to Raw live the other night. Here's some thoughts/observations:

1. Evan Bourne vs Ted DiBiase was the dark match and man oh man did it get everyone pumped. Evan was out to a huge ovation (one of the biggest pops of the night) and Ted got the heat expertly. Seriously. I have no idea why this match wasn't on TV especially since the Superstars matches they taped afterward ranged from nothing to write home about to really bad. It was awesome to see the Shooting Star Press in person and I really hope the guys in the back took note of how over Bourne is.

2. Superstars in spoilers in case someone actually cares. Zach Ryder vs Kozlov was okay. Apparently Primo is Zach's tag partner now? William Regal/ Tyson Kidd/Melina vs Khali/Mark Henry/Natalia was a trainwreck. Regal got a lot of heat but it lead to nothing as he and Kidd weren't allowed to get any offense against the superheavyweights. One of these matches could've been replaced by Bourne/DiBiase easily.

3. The Undertaker promo was fun to see live. Before Raw aired they actually had R-Truth come out and teach the crowd to react to the new theme song which I thought was pretty funny, as if no one would be able to figure out it was him.

4. The bait and switch with Austin and JBL was great especially with Cole calling everyone fools and JBL's subsequent promo burying Texas before people could give him the welcome they wanted to. I really do miss him being around.

5. Seeing Austin live made the 13 year old in me so happy. I don't know how it came across on TV but the whole place went apeshit when he interrupted JBL. It was deafening. I really wish he would've cut a promo but even just seeing the two stunners and the beer bash was awesome.

6. The Sin Cara video package went over really well. A couple people in our section knew it was Mistico and even those who didn't were oohing and ahhing. I really hope they don't fuck up with him. He has a shot at being something really special in the WWE.

7. The Daniel Bryan match was... interesting. My friend and I (and a lot of our section, coincidentally) were pumped that we'd get to see him live and... well at least he was there. I'm interested in where the Sheamus feud is going. I really think these two could pull off some good matches.

8. Speaking of Daniel Bryan, I couldn't find his shirt anywhere at the show. I never thought the WWE would deny my want to spend money on them. I miss the days when every shirt was at every show.

9. The Cena promo did not go over well at all. While there were kids and families cheering him on they were, at least live, drowned out almost entirely by the boos. This was a solidly Rock loving crowd and his attempts to win everyone over were entirely for naught.

10. The crowd was super into The Miz when he showed up. While they were booing Cena heavily moments before, when Miz showed up they were fully into "hate the heel" mode (Except for smarks like my friend and I with our "Miz is awesome!" chants. :D ). The crowd especially got into Miz when he did the People's Elbow. Miz, unlike Cena, definitely made me want to watch next week.

All in all it was a pretty fun show and it was miles better than the Smackdown taping I went to a few months ago.

XXXenophile

03-10-2011, 02:03 AM

Wasn't me. :lol: Last pic I saw she was huge.

Damn that was Joe then.

XXXenophile

03-10-2011, 02:12 AM

F4WOnline.com is reporting that the WWE creative team has been told not to mention or have either Triple H or The Undertaker reference their match at WrestleMania 17.

As most are aware, 'Taker and Triple H wrestled each other 10 years ago at WrestleMania, and of course The Undertaker won. But WWE wants to put Triple H over as a credible threat to The Undertaker's streak, so creative has been told not to have the bout mentioned on TV so that the marketability of the WrestleMania 27 match is not hurt, nor is the fan's perception that Triple H can actually end the streak.

You know if at any point one of Taker's video montages is going to show every opponent he's ever beat at Mania they're going to have to figure out a way to get past that one.

LOL if they try to insert a different match for WM 17 smarks are going to go nuts.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-10-2011, 04:32 AM

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/09/pro-wrestler-pitches-first-known-perfect-mlb-2k11-game-wins-not/

Stevie Richards pitches a perfect game in MLB 2k11 but doesn't win the million dollar contest. Poor guy!

Gregory

03-10-2011, 06:03 AM

I just found a highlight video of Mistico's moves, including a tiltawhirl head scissors armbar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BikRE409C9c#t=2m12s) that is NASTY.

joeAR

03-10-2011, 07:18 AM

I just found a highlight video of Mistico's moves, including a tiltawhirl head scissors armbar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BikRE409C9c#t=2m12s) that is NASTY.

Well i'm pumped

joeAR

03-10-2011, 07:21 AM

Sin Cara's video package from RAW

http://vids.wwe.com/index.php/video/Raw-Sin-Cara-is-coming-to-WWE/817605624001/

Gregory

03-10-2011, 07:28 AM

Sin Cara's video package from RAW

http://vids.wwe.com/index.php/video/Raw-Sin-Cara-is-coming-to-WWE/817605624001/

And there's La Mistica. I hope that's his finisher. A lucahdore with a submission finisher? Yes, please.

joeAR

03-10-2011, 09:33 AM

Haas and Benjamin vs American Wolves announced!

http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/the-hunt-returns-in-atlanta/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-10-2011, 09:38 AM

Haas and Benjamin vs American Wolves announced!

http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/the-hunt-returns-in-atlanta/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

:rock: :rock: :rock:

also glad to see TJP/Hero and TJP/Generico scheduled, those should be great as well

Daniel K.

03-10-2011, 10:37 AM

Haas and Benjamin vs American Wolves announced!

http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/the-hunt-returns-in-atlanta/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

That is going to be one wrestletastic weekend. I'm almost positive I'll be getting the $20 double iPPV pack and then Wrestlemania.

joeAR

03-10-2011, 10:51 AM

That is going to be one wrestletastic weekend. I'm almost positive I'll be getting the $20 double iPPV pack and then Wrestlemania.

Im ordering the ROH shows for sure and a few of my friends and I are ordering Wrestlemania.

The Human Target

03-10-2011, 10:57 AM

So Matt Cross is going to be a trainee on Tough Enough.

BAWUUUHHHHH?

Briomega

03-10-2011, 11:06 AM

F4WOnline.com is reporting that the WWE creative team has been told not to mention or have either Triple H or The Undertaker reference their match at WrestleMania 17.

As most are aware, 'Taker and Triple H wrestled each other 10 years ago at WrestleMania, and of course The Undertaker won. But WWE wants to put Triple H over as a credible threat to The Undertaker's streak, so creative has been told not to have the bout mentioned on TV so that the marketability of the WrestleMania 27 match is not hurt, nor is the fan's perception that Triple H can actually end the streak.

*sigh* Well my feelings on this are already known. Kind of stupid.

Kirblar

03-10-2011, 11:07 AM

*sigh* Well my feelings on this are already known. Kind of stupid.
I get it though, because they just had Michaels fail on his second try last year. Might be better for a pre-match promo w/ HHH @ WM itself.

Briomega

03-10-2011, 11:14 AM

I get it though, because they just had Michaels fail on his second try last year. Might be better for a pre-match promo w/ HHH @ WM itself.

Yeah, but the match was 10 years ago. A lot of things change in 10 years and you can use that to build it up. Have Hunter talk about how it's gnawed on him all this time. How even winning Championships didn't hold as much meaning as that loss. How he's spent all that time fuming over it and planning how to fix the mistakes he made, etc.

Ignoring it completely is just silly. Especially since the focus of the entire thing is the streak and that match is a part of it.

Kirblar

03-10-2011, 11:16 AM

Yeah, but the match was 10 years ago. A lot of things change in 10 years and you can use that to build it up. Have Hunter talk about how it's gnawed on him all this time. How even winning Championships didn't hold as much meaning as that loss. How he's spent all that time fuming over it and planning how to fix the mistakes he made, etc.

Ignoring it completely is just silly. Especially since the focus of the entire thing is the streak and that match is a part of it.
I think the biggest issue is that they don't want to make it a retread of last year's feud with Michaels. There was also not much build to the WM17 match- it was just kind "there" and has no big feud or history behind it.

SteveFlack

03-10-2011, 11:17 AM

I think the biggest issue is that they don't want to make it a retread of last year's feud with Michaels. There was also not much build to the WM17 match- it was just kind "there" and has no big feud or history behind it.

Just like their Wrestlemania 27 match!

Kirblar

03-10-2011, 11:19 AM

Just like their Wrestlemania 27 match!
Yeah, pretty much. :lol:

Gryphon

03-10-2011, 11:24 AM

http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/wwe-news/2-more-tough-enough-contestants-morrison-melina-banned-from-nightclub-for-life/

Morrison and Melina are banned from a nightclub for life after getting carried away with partying.
His tweets on the matter are amusing,

Prime

03-10-2011, 11:25 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EarU--5cYOE

http://www.the-isb.com/images/WrestlerWisdom11.jpg

:lol:

Kirblar

03-10-2011, 11:29 AM

Dr. Blasphemy

03-10-2011, 11:32 AM

How much would everyone hate HHH if he goes over at WM?
Like his politics don't piss ppl off already...
This would be the coupe de gras...

Dr. Blasphemy

03-10-2011, 11:33 AM

Are they "on again"? :lol:

So it seems...he says she even "Hawks Loogies" cute...

Gryphon

03-10-2011, 11:47 AM

Did anyone else find it odd that Brodus showed up on the main roster before the actual winner of season 4?

Daniel K.

03-10-2011, 11:47 AM

Im ordering the ROH shows for sure and a few of my friends and I are ordering Wrestlemania.

My ordering of the ROH shows depends on if my friends are busy that weekend. If I order them alone then I have a feeling my girlfriend won't be too happy but if I get them with friends at least I have the "friendly get together" excuse.

Masculine Todd

03-10-2011, 11:49 AM

http://www.the-isb.com/images/WrestlerWisdom11.jpg

Fantastic.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-10-2011, 12:33 PM

So Matt Cross is going to be a trainee on Tough Enough.

BAWUUUHHHHH?

maybe they can train him not to have a buzzcut with one tuft of long hair that fails to hide his bald spot that he sweeps back every five seconds while he's wrestling effectively making him look like a fucking asstard.

joeAR

03-10-2011, 04:18 PM

So Matt Cross is going to be a trainee on Tough Enough.

BAWUUUHHHHH?

Wait....what......don't....i'm confused.

Drew

03-10-2011, 04:41 PM

Did anyone else find it odd that Brodus showed up on the main roster before the actual winner of season 4?

As odd as R-Truth's Geography skills are, the fact that Brodus Clay got there first is the utter opposite.

Drew

03-10-2011, 04:42 PM

ZACK RYDER WON A MATCH! ZACK RYDER WON A MATCH!

Over Vladimir Kozlov no less!

The Human Target

03-10-2011, 05:17 PM

maybe they can train him not to have a buzzcut with one tuft of long hair that fails to hide his bald spot that he sweeps back every five seconds while he's wrestling effectively making him look like a fucking asstard.

Embrace the bald, thats what I say.

Roger

03-10-2011, 05:53 PM

who says TNA doesn't advertise???

http://plixi.com/p/83099490

full page ad in this weeks free paper here in cleveland

Kirblar

03-10-2011, 05:57 PM

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-10-2011, 06:01 PM

Is it worse than Perfect Jr's combover?

yeah, if he still has it. At least McGullicutty isn't fussing with his eight hundred times a match. It gets about as annoying Cole.

Masculine Todd

03-10-2011, 06:41 PM

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16600000/Michael-McGillicutty-wwes-the-nexus-16609093-500-311.jpg

Masculine Todd

03-10-2011, 06:43 PM

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/m/michaelmcgillicutty/02.jpg

Gryphon

03-10-2011, 07:05 PM

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/Update_The_Rocks_RAW_Return_Revealed.php

Rock will still be showing up after Mania.

XXXenophile

03-11-2011, 01:25 AM

Are they "on again"? :lol:

I don't think they've ever been off.

Even when she was fucking Batista.

joeAR

03-11-2011, 06:12 AM

ZACK RYDER WON A MATCH! ZACK RYDER WON A MATCH!

Over Vladimir Kozlov no less!

Woo Woo WOO!

joeAR

03-11-2011, 06:40 AM

Dragon Gate USA will return to PPV with United We Stand tonight. The PPV, which was taped in January at the ACE Arena in Union City, NJ, will feature the following:

*Open The United Gate Championship: Masato Yoshino & PAC vs. Chuck Taylor & Johnny Gargano to determine the first champions

*Eight Man Tag: CIMA, Naruki Doi, Ricochet & Dragon Kid vs. Jimmy Jacobs Austin Aries, Open The Freedom Gate Champion YAMATO and Sami Callihan

*No Rules: Homicide vs. Jon Moxley

*BxB Hulk vs. Akira Tozawa

*Cheech vs. AR Fox

Also appearing are Reby Sky, Brodie Lee, Rich Swann and more.

A number of cable systems are running a free preview on their Events on Demand channel or for more details, visit www.dgusa.tv.

joeAR

03-11-2011, 06:58 AM

ROH takes center stage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTcflDTrdA

Roger

03-11-2011, 07:04 AM

Dragon Gate USA will return to PPV with United We Stand tonight.

dgusa always outs on great ppv's.

i know i didn;t set the world on fire with that statement....but still, it had to be said...lol

Roger

03-11-2011, 07:05 AM

ROH takes center stage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTcflDTrdA

wow....both shows for 19.99.....how can you beat that????

joeAR

03-11-2011, 07:08 AM

dgusa always outs on great ppv's.

i know i didn;t set the world on fire with that statement....but still, it had to be said...lol

Hey someone had to state the obvious :D

wow....both shows for 19.99.....how can you beat that????

You really can't. Both shows are looking to be great.

Gryphon

03-11-2011, 08:22 AM

Ive been thinking about something. Yoshi Tatsu might survive the releases because WWE might have a desire to keep a Japanese wrestler to appeal to that audience and market.

Gryphon

03-11-2011, 08:27 AM

Condolences to Jillian Hall who has suffered a miscarriage.

SteveFlack

03-11-2011, 08:37 AM

Ive been thinking about something. Yoshi Tatsu might survive the releases because WWE might have a desire to keep a Japanese wrestler to appeal to that audience and market.

I brought up that idea weeks ago!

Gryphon

03-11-2011, 08:48 AM

I missed that then. Apologies.

Masculine Todd

03-11-2011, 09:02 AM

From F4W/Wrestling Observer:

The feeling is, based on how well he did and his crowd reaction at the Smackdown tapings in Houston on 3/8, that Shelton Benjamin would get an offer to return after Mania. Perhaps they want to get him in the mix for one of the two Money in the Bank matches on 7/17 since that’s something of his specialty. Benjamin only said after that he can’t say anything other than he may be back and he may not be.

I can't wait for Shelton to quickly find a home on Superstars where he'll be doomed for eternity. Tyler Reks/Shelton Benjamin feud, y'all!

Gryphon

03-11-2011, 09:05 AM

Reks will be gone by then. I predict he wont survive the cuts.

joeAR

03-11-2011, 09:21 AM

From F4W/Wrestling Observer:

I can't wait for Shelton to quickly find a home on Superstars where he'll be doomed for eternity. Tyler Reks/Shelton Benjamin feud, y'all!

While I would love too see him sign with the WWE again I have the same feeling you do that he'll just be misused again.

joeAR

03-11-2011, 09:30 AM

Zack Ryder's Youtube show. Fucking hysterical

http://www.youtube.com/LongIslandIcedZ

Masculine Todd

03-11-2011, 09:32 AM

Reks will be gone by then. I predict he wont survive the cuts.

Reks is pretty interchangeable. Insert some other jobber who survives the cut.

Masculine Todd

03-11-2011, 09:36 AM

Zack Ryder for WWE Champion.

Gryphon

03-11-2011, 09:38 AM

Reks is pretty interchangeable. Insert some other jobber who survives the cut.

He has been losing to Chavo in dark matches. Not a good sign for him.

joeAR

03-11-2011, 09:41 AM

Zack Ryder for WWE Champion.

I would love that. The man needs a push damn it!

Gregory

03-11-2011, 09:45 AM

Zack Ryder for WWE Champion.

Woo woo woo, you know it (won't happen).

Greenville 90210

03-11-2011, 10:21 AM

I'd like to see a Zach Ryder/Daniel Bryan feud for the US title.

Gregory

03-11-2011, 10:24 AM

I'd like to see a Zach Ryder/Daniel Bryan feud for the US title.

Referring back to their RAW main event, Zach could be brought up the card and win fan support by refusing to quit against a Sheamus beatdown. Give him Matt Hardy's "will not die" angle for a mini-feud. He'll lose, but he'll get over a bit and can move on to a midcard feud.

SteveFlack

03-11-2011, 10:25 AM

Reks is pretty interchangeable. Insert some other jobber who survives the cut.

Shelton Benjamin/Sheamus feud on Superstars!

Gryphon

03-11-2011, 10:27 AM

I brought up that idea weeks ago!

Who else would be safe then, because of similiar reasons? Somone a while back said, great khali, but who else?

SteveFlack

03-11-2011, 10:38 AM

Who else would be safe then, because of similiar reasons? Somone a while back said, great khali, but who else?

Khali is so safe. He seems to be likeable, and Vince knows how to use him nowadays. Kids love him and he's a great international presence and sideshow attraction.

As long as they never put him in the main event again, I don't see him leaving the WWE unless it's his decision.

joeAR

03-11-2011, 12:00 PM

Masculine Todd

03-11-2011, 12:43 PM

SteveFlack

03-11-2011, 12:49 PM

We can speculate on who's most likely to get cut and who is exempt from consideration, but this company's pretty damn notorious for erratic, capricious decision-making. And really, there's such a steep incline from the main-eventers to the supposed upper-mids and midcard that it wouldn't be particularly shocking if guys we'd otherwise believe to be safe were gone after 'Mania. I mean, how important (ie - expendable) is, say, Drew McIntyre, especially when weighted against how expensive he is to keep as opposed to, I don't know, Mason Ryan? A lot of guys could be sweating right now.

Are they really? Have there been any real "surprise" releases that didn't happen because of almost justifiable reason? I don't really know of anyone who had some significant TV time one week, like Drew, and was released the next. On the other hand, there are talents like Carlito and Matt Hardy who took forever to get released.

The real surprise releases are guys like Daniel Bryan, who get released to do to a real reason, or Kaval or MVP, who ask for their release.

Briomega

03-11-2011, 04:08 PM

Is this Brodus dude Mexican? Why is he with Del Rio all of a sudden?

Foolish Mortal

03-11-2011, 04:20 PM

Is this Brodus dude Mexican? Why is he with Del Rio all of a sudden?

Del Rio was Brodus' mentor in season four of NXT.

Briomega

03-11-2011, 04:47 PM

So JTG has to be on that list of endeavors. :lol:

Masculine Todd

03-11-2011, 05:19 PM

Are they really? Have there been any real "surprise" releases that didn't happen because of almost justifiable reason? I don't really know of anyone who had some significant TV time one week, like Drew, and was released the next. On the other hand, there are talents like Carlito and Matt Hardy who took forever to get released.

The real surprise releases are guys like Daniel Bryan, who get released to do to a real reason, or Kaval or MVP, who ask for their release.

I say that, and now I'm blanking for specific examples save for Maria. Even in that instance, she was removed for her extra-curricular dalliances outside WWE.

When Test was released for the second time, he had been a regular in the ECW Title hunt, but that's a poor example as well. I suppose my inability to support my statement means it wasn't a good one to begin with. I don't know, I'd assume Drew was safe, but it wouldn't be shocking if, like, R-Truth were gone tomorrow, I guess.

SteveFlack

03-11-2011, 06:24 PM

I say that, and now I'm blanking for specific examples save for Maria. Even in that instance, she was removed for her extra-curricular dalliances outside WWE.

When Test was released for the second time, he had been a regular in the ECW Title hunt, but that's a poor example as well. I suppose my inability to support my statement means it wasn't a good one to begin with. I don't know, I'd assume Drew was safe, but it wouldn't be shocking if, like, R-Truth were gone tomorrow, I guess.

I guess Mickie James was also a surprise release. But divas and superstars are two completely different beasts.

Kirblar

03-11-2011, 07:16 PM

I guess Mickie James was also a surprise release. But divas and superstars are two completely different beasts.
Well, her release wasn't based on the normal considerations.

Bervda

03-11-2011, 07:33 PM

I guess Mickie James was also a surprise release. But divas and superstars have two completely different breasts.

This is how my brain interpreted the message upon first reading it.

moonspider

03-12-2011, 10:09 AM

I really enjoyed this weeks IMPACT....the crowd was hot and the matches were good.
kinda good show heading into the ppv

Masculine Todd

03-12-2011, 10:18 AM

There's something about Ted, visually, that makes me think he could pull off a "Mad Men" gimmick. Like, have him be a social-conservative and chastise his opponents for their outlandish attire, their choice in vernacular and how feminine they look. Dress him up in a '50s 3-piece suit, and when the waistcoat and blazer comes off, make sure he's wearing something like suspenders. Give him slicked-back hair.

He just looks classically handsome. I bet he could pull that off. There's not much in the way of versatility with a gimmick like that (you could only participate in so many feuds/your promos would be restricted), but he desperately needs a personality.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-12-2011, 10:29 AM

I really enjoyed this weeks IMPACT....the crowd was hot and the matches were good.
kinda good show heading into the ppv

They continue to do wonders the Bully Ray, that segment was great great great. It's pretty insane that I'm looking forward to a Bubba vs. Tommy Dreamer singles ppv match in 2011, but I am. I have to believe someone else other than Russo is behind this whole angle/character. Maybe they just let Bubba run with it. They also did a pretty good job with the title picture for once, though I can't fathom why they haven't dropped that belt immediately...Beer MOney/Ink Inc should be good as well.

joeAR

03-12-2011, 11:47 AM

Buy 3 get 2 free sale on roh dvds plus 5 dollars off on tickets

http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/save-on-roh-dvds-and-live-event-tickets/

Benel Germosen

03-12-2011, 11:51 AM

Buy 3 get 2 free sale on roh dvds plus 5 dollars off on tickets

http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/save-on-roh-dvds-and-live-event-tickets/

Speaking of which. I probably won't make it to their NYC show.

Blame Dragon Age II.

Gryphon

03-12-2011, 06:15 PM

Just saw smackdown on youtube and once again Drew had the best match of the night.

Gryphon

03-12-2011, 06:18 PM

http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/exclusive-news/top-wwe-superstar-requests-his-release-and-makes-a-threat/

Holy shit!
Rey Mysterio has requested his release!

Foolish Mortal

03-12-2011, 06:26 PM

http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/exclusive-news/top-wwe-superstar-requests-his-release-and-makes-a-threat/

Holy shit!
I have absolutely no proof of this, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is the result of something Triple H said or did.

Bervda

03-12-2011, 06:35 PM

http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/exclusive-news/top-wwe-superstar-requests-his-release-and-makes-a-threat/

Holy shit!
Rey Mysterio has requested his release!

I have a really hard time believing this.

Gryphon

03-12-2011, 06:41 PM

I have a really hard time believing this.

Considering he is getting older and has had so many inuries, he might have worked out a deal to stay on until Mania and then leave.

Briomega

03-12-2011, 06:44 PM

Considering he is getting older and has had so many inuries, he might have worked out a deal to stay on until Mania and then leave.

That's far different than threatening them if they don't give him a release. I find this story hard to believe also.

Gryphon

03-12-2011, 06:46 PM

I just posted wht I found, if it turns out to be false, I will be the first to admit it.

Briomega

03-12-2011, 06:48 PM

Also doesn't even make much sense: Release me or I retire.

Either way they lose, so what kind of threat is that?

Gryphon

03-12-2011, 06:50 PM

I have my own doubts since I cannot find any report of this elsewhere and I have been looking. I was just shocked when I read it initially.

Foolish Mortal

03-12-2011, 07:05 PM

I went to Gerweck.net (http://www.gerweck.net/2011/03/12/top-wwe-star-asks-for-his-release/) and they have the story there. They say pwinsider.com broke the story, but I went to pwinsider.com and couldn't find it.

So either I can't find shit, or they took down the story.

Gryphon

03-12-2011, 07:09 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Wwe-Best-Cage-Matches/dp/B004RBC5RO/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1299989265&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Wwe-Very-Best-WCW-Monday-Nitro/dp/B004RBC5TM/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2ATM26XA5BYHJ&colid=18FBV3J2CKK0

These are now available for preorder on amazon.com
I will be preordering that best of nitro set as soon as I can.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-12-2011, 07:23 PM

Foolish Mortal

03-12-2011, 07:26 PM

that would be wacky if the ReyRey stuff is true. I could see him just being plain burned out at this point with his endless injuries and his spot as the latino market guy being phased onto Del Rio and Mistico. I'd be surprised if it turns out to be true though.
Well the story as it's told on Gerweck.net is that Rey is ticked off at Vince for not giving him more time off to heal.

Gryphon

03-12-2011, 07:37 PM

If it is true, do you think he would go to TNA?

Daniel K.

03-12-2011, 08:04 PM

Having just finished A Lion's Tale I decided to go pick up Undisputed at my local Borders (which is closing so I got it on the cheap). When I arrived back at my house and opened it up I found a forward by Mick Foley inside; awesome as always. I finish the Foley forward and find, to my surprise, something even more awesome: a forward from Zach Ryder. That's right, a Zach Ryder forward to a published book. Fucking fantastic.

This is probably old news.

arthurloewenkamp

03-12-2011, 09:11 PM

wow....both shows for 19.99.....how can you beat that????

I'll be at the April 1st show for ROH. Looking forward to seeing World's Greatest Tag Team in action.

I'm not sure if I'm going to the Hall of Fame or the Dragongate show Saturday. I'm leaning toward Dragongate because Hall should be fine to see on dvd. Then DG on Sunday with an evening spent in second row at Wrestlef'nMania. By the time Raw comes around I'll think I'll be good on live wrestling for a few weeks.

Masculine Todd

03-12-2011, 09:12 PM

If it is true, do you think he would go to TNA?

God no.

Masculine Todd

03-12-2011, 09:15 PM

Zach Ryder should probably write the forward to every book ever.

Briomega

03-12-2011, 09:21 PM

If it is true, do you think he would go to TNA?

If it's true and it's cause he's getting old and broken down, why would he go to a shitty company and further risk his health to be seen by so few people.

joeAR

03-13-2011, 05:57 AM

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 07:21 AM

If it's true and it's cause he's getting old and broken down, why would he go to a shitty company and further risk his health to be seen by so few people.

Very limited scheduled that he cant have in the E.

Roger

03-13-2011, 07:26 AM

I don't see this story anywhere else so i'm going with the not true crowd.

ditto
i bet Gryphon writes for wrestlenez.....wrote that story just to post it here.

lol

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 07:31 AM

ditto
i bet Gryphon writes for wrestlenez.....wrote that story just to post it here.

lol

I wish I wrote for a wrestling website.

As it is, the only site ive worked for was shoutwire.com and that didnt end well.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 07:32 AM

Ive also said that I doubt it as well, since I cant find it anywhere else but I was just shock when I saw that.

I asked about the TNA thing as a hypothetical matter.

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 07:44 AM

Lords of Pain is saying that the Rock will appear on Raw at least one more time before WrestleMania. (http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Update_on_The_Rock_s_RAW_Return_Plans_WWE_Supersta rs_Ratings_More.html)

Which makes sense to me. They can't keep letting Cena slam him repeatedly live, and have Rock keep doing canned responses. It will kill the momentum.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 07:56 AM

Talking about smackdown again, does anyone else think that drew and rey was the best match of the night?
Seriously Drew has improved so much it amazing.

Roger

03-13-2011, 08:32 AM

edge has tiger blood....bwahahahahaha

http://plixi.com/p/83751501

joeAR

03-13-2011, 08:42 AM

edge has tiger blood....bwahahahahaha

http://plixi.com/p/83751501

Ha, awesome.

joeAR

03-13-2011, 08:44 AM

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 08:44 AM

edge has tiger blood....bwahahahahaha

http://plixi.com/p/83751501

Nice.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 08:44 AM

Lords of pain also reported he would show up after Mania as well for a while.

Roger

03-13-2011, 08:52 AM

2 RAWS would be better but one is better then none. They really do need Cena and Rock face to face before Mania.

i expect the face to face to be the go home show.

not really going out on limb on that one, when else would you do it? lol

joeAR

03-13-2011, 08:56 AM

i expect the face to face to be the go home show.

not really going out on limb on that one, when else would you do it? lol

2 weeks before the go home show then on the go home show have either Rock Rockbottom Cena or Cena give Rock the Attitude Adjustment.

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 09:03 AM

There are also some backstage reports that say Rocky is taking this angle seriously and not treating this as some fun little "jaunt".

Roger

03-13-2011, 09:06 AM

so what match closes out WM?

it has to be cena/miz

i would think the last 3 matches would be:
-edge/del rio
-taker/hhh
-cena/miz

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 09:09 AM

Also lords of pain reported that the smackdown wrestlemania revenge tour will feature edge vs del rio vs barrett for the world title.
Thats a good sign for him.

joeAR

03-13-2011, 09:10 AM

so what match closes out WM?

it has to be cena/miz

i would think the last 3 matches would be:
-edge/del rio
-taker/hhh
-cena/miz

That's what I would go with but they almost always throw a woman's match right on before the main event.

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 09:15 AM

Yeah everyone is going to be anticipating some kind of Rock/Cena confrontation so they're going to hold off the Cena match until the very end of the show.

joeAR

03-13-2011, 09:16 AM

Plus we all know that the RAW Main event almost always is the main event of Wrestlemania.

Roger

03-13-2011, 09:16 AM

That's what I would go with but they almost always throw a woman's match right on before the main event.

piss break before main event?
:)

joeAR

03-13-2011, 09:17 AM

piss break before main event?
:)

:lol:

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 09:35 AM

2 weeks before the go home show then on the go home show have either Rock Rockbottom Cena or Cena give Rock the Attitude Adjustment.

Other then a possible shoving exchange/pull-apart, they should probably avoid laying hands on each other until 'Mania.

Bervda

03-13-2011, 09:38 AM

edge has tiger blood....bwahahahahaha

http://plixi.com/p/83751501

The comedy is automatically gone because it's the sign guy. I hate that fucking dude.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 09:43 AM

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Rhodes_vs_Mysterio_Official_Match_for_the_WrestleM ania_Revenge_Tour_More.html
Here is where they said about Barrett vs edge vs del rio for the world title on the UK tour. Granted its just house shows but still its something.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-13-2011, 10:16 AM

it helps that he doesn't have that arbitrarily pushed down everyones throats quality about him anymore.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-13-2011, 10:26 AM

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfclheZ3GI1qfhcapo1_500.jpg

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 10:27 AM

it helps that he doesn't have that arbitrarily pushed down everyones throats quality about him anymore.

Yet the handling of Barrett has swung too far to the other extreme; he's entirely inconsequential now. There needs to be some mediation between the two "push modes." Moreover, Wade could use a break from the role of group figurehead. He's an eloquent orator. Go with that. Push him as a brutal-yet-frank/honest heel. He'll take shortcuts, cheapshots and fuck you over, but he's quite candid and matter-of-fact about his intentions in promos. Book him to beat some dudes. Give him a main-event title match. If booked as a credible, menacing challenger, he has the presence and the mic ability to get himself over beyond that. Boom.

Greenville 90210

03-13-2011, 10:32 AM

Yet the handling of Barrett has swung too far to the other extreme; he's entirely inconsequential now. There needs to be a some mediation between the two "push modes." Moreover, Wade really needs a break from the role of group figurehead. He's an eloquent orator. Go with that. Push him as a brutal-yet-frank/honest heel. He'll take shortcuts, cheapshots and fuck you over, but he's quite candid and matter-of-fact about his intentions in his promos. Book him to beat some dudes. Give him a main-event title match. Boom.

And give him his coat with the big flower in it. That was awesome.

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 10:33 AM

Another dilemma that arises from Barrett's presence on Smackdown is that Del Rio essentially filled the spot that Wade would have been placed in. The rising top-heel position is accounted for. While he could inhabit an upper midcard heel slot, there isn't anything to do save for wrestling Big Show and Kane.

Smackdown is in dire need of roster depth. Hell, after 'Mania, Del Rio's only viable alternative to Edge is Undertaker, and it's widely reported that he's going into seclusion to heal following the match with Hunter. There simply isn't another main-event 'face to work with beyond Edge and Rey - the latter with whom he finished a four month program in January. They need to push new faces. They're stacked with prospective heels ('Zeke's push, Wade, developing Mason Ryan, Del Rio and Miz's recent ascensions, Cody's breakout performance, etc.).

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-13-2011, 10:35 AM

something to help his uber generic look, for sure. I think maybe Barrett could benefit from a GM/authority figure type role for awhile. Either replacing teddy or battling with him.

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 10:40 AM

And give him his coat with the big flower in it. That was awesome.

Yeah, that was cool.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 10:42 AM

Should Sin Cara go to raw or smackdown?

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 10:45 AM

something to help his uber generic look, for sure. I think maybe Barrett could benefit from a GM/authority figure type role for awhile. Either replacing teddy or battling with him.

He certainly has that regal, authoritative demeanor. Yeah, that's a good thought. He could then parlay his gig as GM, and the heat he generates from the role, into a substantial singles run. You have an easy "instant title match" set-up: Wade signed himself a guarented World Title shot for a date of his choosing prior to being stripped of GM duties.

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 10:48 AM

Should Sin Cara go to raw or smackdown?

Raw. Smackdown's days of trying to attract the Hispanic market are over now that they're on cable (their Mexican viewership has diminished since the Sci-Fi move). In addition, they've spent a small fortune to acquire Mistico. Vince will likely be inclined to place such an investment on the A-show, at least during his first few months, to build his starpower/the Sin Cara brand.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 10:51 AM

Who should he feud with?

Maybe bring peter orlov to the main roster for that reason?

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 10:58 AM

Just have him beat jobbers and pose for the first few months. That's all you really do with new guys brought up for a push.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 10:59 AM

Hmm, maybe. Or since the japanese style has similarities to Lucha Libre, maybe a program with Yoshi Tatsu?

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 11:03 AM

Dude can't even cut promos yet. His role is to be a small, underdog superhero who cycles through cool spots and entertains kids. Extended programs probably shouldn't happen this early in his tenure.

Bervda

03-13-2011, 11:05 AM

Just have him beat jobbers and pose for the first few months. That's all you really do with new guys brought up for a push.

Exactly. Debut against Primo to really show off some of his spots, continue on with decisive wins over Ryder, Kidd, and DiBiase. After that is when you put him in some form of program with someone.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-13-2011, 11:22 AM

It's great that he'll be on the show with Bourne and Danielson and Morrison

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 11:26 AM

All right then.

Damian696

03-13-2011, 11:59 AM

Exactly. Debut against Primo to really show off some of his spots, continue on with decisive wins over Ryder, Kidd, and DiBiase. After that is when you put him in some form of program with someone.

sounds good. so it's going to be a feud vs. Sheamus for the US belt, then.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 12:40 PM

Zack Ryder said on twitter that wweshop will start selling zack ryder headbands soon.

Bervda

03-13-2011, 01:03 PM

sounds good. so it's going to be a feud vs. Sheamus for the US belt, then.
That would make sense. I'm a little scared of what happens to DBD after he drops the strap.

Briomega

03-13-2011, 01:06 PM

That would make sense. I'm a little scared of what happens to DBD after he drops the strap.

I have a bad feeling he's gone in the endeavors. They don't seem to have any idea what to do with him.

Damian696

03-13-2011, 01:17 PM

I have a bad feeling he's gone in the endeavors. They don't seem to have any idea what to do with him.

he can put on good matches and knows how to put someone over. as long as he's comfortable with a role as a midcard guy I don't see WWE cutting him.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 01:17 PM

I fear that as well. Though maybe he will get moved to smackdown. They need faces there.

Briomega

03-13-2011, 01:28 PM

he can put on good matches and knows how to put someone over. as long as he's comfortable with a role as a midcard guy I don't see WWE cutting him.

Yeah but they tend to cut guys the writers have no ideas for and I just don't think they have anything for him. Even the thing with the girls seems to have fizzled out.

UltimateFactor

03-13-2011, 01:32 PM

I think Punk, Cena, DB, and Britista would make a nice heel foursome.

Damian696

03-13-2011, 01:50 PM

Yeah but they tend to cut guys the writers have no ideas for and I just don't think they have anything for him. Even the thing with the girls seems to have fizzled out.

I see him on the same level as Bourne or Kingston, so, like i said, I don't see him getting axed.

Daniel K.

03-13-2011, 01:52 PM

I have a bad feeling he's gone in the endeavors. They don't seem to have any idea what to do with him.

Really? He's got a pretty much guaranteed match at Wrestlemania, he's a great hand in the ring, he's well liked backstage and more often than not they find a bit of TV time for him on Raw. They clearly had plans with him and Punk a while back (which they might be able to resurrect post WM if they don't have anything else for him to do) and he's now in a feud with Sheamus which, while being a bit of a downgrade for Sheamus, is certainly better than what they've been doing with him and Ted and puts him back in the spotlight again.

I know he's never going to be the guy but I see him fulfilling the Benoit role nicely and with a bit more personality as well. He'll hang out in the upper midcard, occasionally challenging main eventers and maybe, maybe getting the strap once or twice when they need someone with ability to hold it.

There are at least ten guys they're going to endeavor before they drop Danielson. Unless he chokes Justin Roberts with a tie again.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 01:53 PM

Speaking of kingston. WWE has bene marking down kingston merchandise for sale. And havent been releasing any new stuff.

What was the last match he was in anyways?
Has he defended the title once since he got it?

Briomega

03-13-2011, 02:21 PM

Really? He's got a pretty much guaranteed match at Wrestlemania, he's a great hand in the ring, he's well liked backstage and more often than not they find a bit of TV time for him on Raw. They clearly had plans with him and Punk a while back (which they might be able to resurrect post WM if they don't have anything else for him to do) and he's now in a feud with Sheamus which, while being a bit of a downgrade for Sheamus, is certainly better than what they've been doing with him and Ted and puts him back in the spotlight again.

I know he's never going to be the guy but I see him fulfilling the Benoit role nicely and with a bit more personality as well. He'll hang out in the upper midcard, occasionally challenging main eventers and maybe, maybe getting the strap once or twice when they need someone with ability to hold it.

There are at least ten guys they're going to endeavor before they drop Danielson. Unless he chokes Justin Roberts with a tie again.

Well, here's the thing. He's got the US Title and you'd hardly even know it. Most of the time he was in matches that had nothing to do with the title and many times he never even got an entrance on TV much less time to show off the title. After the Punk thing fell through what did they do? A gimmick with the Twins and Gail Kim that seems to have left him in the dust and forgotten? Constant lame matches with Ted that were pointless?

I would love for him to stick around and them do something with him but it just doesn't seem like they know what to do and that usually leads to a pink slip.

Damian696

03-13-2011, 02:40 PM

Well, here's the thing. He's got the US Title and you'd hardly even know it. Most of the time he was in matches that had nothing to do with the title and many times he never even got an entrance on TV much less time to show off the title. After the Punk thing fell through what did they do? A gimmick with the Twins and Gail Kim that seems to have left him in the dust and forgotten? Constant lame matches with Ted that were pointless?

I would love for him to stick around and them do something with him but it just doesn't seem like they know what to do and that usually leads to a pink slip.

they do know what to do with him - feed him to the heel and put that heel over. it may not be what we want to see, but it's the way it is.

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 02:54 PM

Yeah but they tend to cut guys the writers have no ideas for and I just don't think they have anything for him. Even the thing with the girls seems to have fizzled out.

If we're going by what the cavalcade of former creative members have said in podcasts/interviews, "writers not having anything for you" is merely an excuse Laurinitus gives guys who are cut. The decision for cuts stems from whether Vince, Dunn, Hayes and other bookers have plans for them. Creative often throws stuff together for the underpushed midcarders, which promptly gets rejected because they're focusing their efforts on guys Vince doesn't want to push.

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 02:56 PM

If Danielson has anything going for him (other than being the best worker in the locker room), he's very well liked by the boys, and he conducts himself well. It's been reported that he's endeared himself well to the staff.

Briomega

03-13-2011, 03:39 PM

If we're going by what the cavalcade of former creative members have said in podcasts/interviews, "writers not having anything for you" is merely an excuse Laurinitus gives guys who are cut. The decision for cuts stems from whether Vince, Dunn, Hayes and other bookers have plans for them. Creative often throws stuff together for the underpushed midcarders, which promptly gets rejected because they're focusing their efforts on guys Vince doesn't want to push.

Like I said, I hope he sticks around but I wouldn't be shocked if he was part of the group supposedly being let go.

Kurt Russell Crowe

03-13-2011, 03:40 PM

He's probly got plenty of goodwill built up still from the Mattel Tie Strangling Incident along with all the other reasons mentioned to survive cuts for a few more years. All that may mean though is that he's a job squad guy. That said, I do agree with Brio, you can just tell when they don't want to do much with a talent, there are just too many dozens of examples.

Masculine Todd

03-13-2011, 04:00 PM

Like I said, I hope he sticks around but I wouldn't be shocked if he was part of the group supposedly being let go.

I suspect he won't be cut, but yeah, if he is, I won't be too shocked either. Of the notable midcard, I'd think R-Truth has a greater chance of being cut, though.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 04:17 PM

Anyone watching the TNA PPV?

Briomega

03-13-2011, 04:18 PM

I suspect he won't be cut, but yeah, if he is, I won't be too shocked either. Of the notable midcard, I'd think R-Truth has a greater chance of being cut, though.

God I fucking wish.

xanderharris

03-13-2011, 04:30 PM

Anyone watching the TNA PPV?

Apparently not.

Bervda

03-13-2011, 04:56 PM

Anyone watching the TNA PPV?

I am. If you're not, you haven't missed much. Ultimate X just started though, so maybe something good will come of that.

Greenville 90210

03-13-2011, 04:57 PM

I'm checking it out while I cook. As soon as X-Div guys are gone, I'll probably turn off the show.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 04:57 PM

I decided not to watch. Their last PPV left a really bad taste in my mouth.

Bervda

03-13-2011, 05:05 PM

Does every multi-man X division match have to have the tower of doom spot? Really?

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 06:14 PM

Van Dam and Anderson don't have good ring chemistry.

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 06:24 PM

Now we're going to have a 3-way championship match aren't we?

Bervda

03-13-2011, 06:25 PM

Van Dam and Anderson don't have good ring chemistry.

Has Anderson had good chemistry with anyone, Angle not withstanding?

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 06:29 PM

Has Anderson had good chemistry with anyone, Angle not withstanding?

He seemed to work better in WWE from what I remember.

Tonight the timing between him and RVD just seemed awkward the whole match.

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 06:30 PM

:lol: Jeff Hardy looked totally baked.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 06:31 PM

A friend is watching the PPV and said that RVD and Anderson's match was awful.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 06:32 PM

:lol: Jeff Hardy looked totally baked.

Odds are that he definitely is.

Greenville 90210

03-13-2011, 06:38 PM

I love that TNA has an actual tag divison and I'm amazed Beer Money haven't broken up yet.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 06:39 PM

I love that TNA has an actual tag divison and I'm amazed Beer Money haven't broken up yet.

Thats the one thing they have thats far better then the WWE.

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 06:39 PM

Hardy and Sting just had a two minute match. :rofl:

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 06:40 PM

Hardy and Sting just had a two minute match. :rofl:

WHAT! A world title match lasted two minutes?? Thats awful.

Greenville 90210

03-13-2011, 06:41 PM

Hardy and Sting just had a two minute match. :rofl:

Bischoff was in the ring longer than the actual match. FAIL.

Gryphon

03-13-2011, 06:41 PM

Overal, out of 10 what would you rate the PPV?

Greenville 90210

03-13-2011, 06:44 PM

Overal, out of 10 what would you rate the PPV?

I can't really rate it because I came in at the Ultimate X match and missed most of RVD/Kennedy. All of the matches were good. Except the 2 minute main event.

Greenville 90210

03-13-2011, 06:46 PM

I like that TNA had number one contender match on PPV and gave it its own angle. That's good stuff. I wish WWE would do more of that. It's an instant angle- two guys you want to see wrestle, have a feud out of nowhere.

Foolish Mortal

03-13-2011, 06:47 PM

I can only rate the two I saw, the RVD/Kennedy match and Sting/Jeff Hardy 2-minute MAIN EVENT were horrible.

Hardy is supposed to be a championship caliber guy and he gets beaten by one power move? The hell is that?

Bervda

03-13-2011, 06:51 PM

Nothing perfect, great, or even good.

Watchable:
Matt Hardy vs. AJ Styles
Bully Ray vs. Tommy Dreamer
TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH: Ink Inc vs. Beer Money ©
ULTIMATE X MATCH FOR THE X TITLE: Jeremy Buck vs. Max Buck vs. Kazarian © vs. Robbie E

Bad:
FIRST BLOOD MATCH: Hernandez vs. Matt Morgan
#1 CONTENDERS MATCH: Mr. Anderson vs. Rob Van Dam
KNOCKOUTS TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH: Sarita & Rosita vs. Angelina Love & Winter ©
WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE MATCH: Jeff Hardy vs. Sting ©

As a viewer that didn't give a shit about the main event, it was still stupid as hell to book it that way. Something had to be up behind the scenes, they had way more than enough time to have a little match.

Jono

03-13-2011, 07:20 PM

I feel bad for anyone who paid money for that lump of shit ppv. The undercard had some ok matches mixed in with some awful ones (Matt Morgan and Hernandez, I'm looking at you), but the headline matches were such a slap in the face to the fans. A double count out when you know you're going to have a 60 second title match right after it? really? Thats some genius booking right there. Why are you using ppv to build to a free tv show? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

And I'm assuming for them to have done that title match like they did Sting was injured or Jeff was too wasted to work. When Sting was exiting up the ramp a fan yelled something that got his attention, and Sting nodded and said "I agree...I agree". I wish I could have heard the fan, but I'm assuming he yelled "bullshit" or something along those lines. Very interesting way to end a ppv, i guess TNA really knows how to send the fans home happy...