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[Gryphon]

I would love to see the Big Show cause Del Rio to lose.

[Gryphon]

Funny thing about trying to buold del rio's character by saying he is aristocratic and of nole descent, is that there was a wrestler of royal blood who worked for the WWE...two actually, since his grandfather also wrestled.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Fuck em. I want King Daniel Bryan.

But yeah, Del Rios would be fine.

[SteveFlack]

Fuck em. I want King Daniel Bryan.

But yeah, Del Rios would be fine.

Daniel Bryan doesn't need it, he's got the US Belt. And I don't see him getting too much mileage from it.

Del Rio would run with this shit.

[ImYrWoodbury]

I just found out Leslie Nielsen passed away today. RIP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezE4bKA8JDM

There's no way 'Taker will make it to 'Mania, now. :sad: RIP Leslie Nielsen.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Daniel Bryan doesn't need it, he's got the US Belt. And I don't see him getting too much mileage from it.

Del Rio would run with this shit.

Well... Bryan could always feud with Miz!

...yeah, I know, they aren't really gonna do anything with it.

Also - for the record - the most obvious reason Bryan would be blowing off girls? That hasn't been mentioned at all in Dave and Bryan talking about it? He has a girlfriend! I don't know who they'd reveal as his girlfriend that would pay it off, but it'd be better than him being afraid of girls and as much as it would be nice to have a babyface gay character, as I've said before - I don't see it happening and I don't think the fans, sadly, would take to it.

So yes, Bryan = has a girlfriend. I think it makes sense.

[ImYrWoodbury]

Well... Bryan could always feud with Miz!

...yeah, I know, they aren't really gonna do anything with it.

Also - for the record - the most obvious reason Bryan would be blowing off girls? That hasn't been mentioned at all in Dave and Bryan talking about it? He has a girlfriend! I don't know who they'd reveal as his girlfriend that would pay it off, but it'd be better than him being afraid of girls and as much as it would be nice to have a babyface gay character, as I've said before - I don't see it happening and I don't think the fans, sadly, would take to it.

So yes, Bryan = has a girlfriend. I think it makes sense.

I had a similar thought, and like you couldn't think of who it could be. Maryse? But that would further his Ted Dibiase Jr feud, and I'd rather not see that. Of course, if continuity mattered, they could use that pairing to add to a feud with The Miz down the line because Miz tried unsuccessfully to get Maryse earlier this year (or was it last year?).

My main wish for Miz as WWE champ is for him to also elevate John Morrison and Daniel Bryan to the Main Event level with him.

[Gryphon]

Funny thing about trying to buold del rio's character by saying he is aristocratic and of nole descent, is that there was a wrestler of royal blood who worked for the WWE...two actually, since his grandfather also wrestled.

Im talking about the rock, btw.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Urgh. I am broke until my next pay check and my F4W subscription lapsed! I wanna listen to Wrestling Observer Radio! It's taunting me!

[ImYrWoodbury]

For those of you who listen to the Bryan and Vinny show, I came in 2nd in that limerick contest. Fucking Granny and Bryan picked some shit TNA limerick over mine. BTW, I don't blame you if you skipped the whole segment, it was brutal to listen to them all in a row...

Which one was yours? I listened to the whole segment, but can't remember because they had the 360 and PS3 categories and the whole thing was kind of a mess. I do remember thinking the TNA winner was good, but kinda lame.

[ImYrWoodbury]

Urgh. I am broke until my next pay check and my F4W subscription lapsed! I wanna listen to Wrestling Observer Radio! It's taunting me!

Listening now. They're having the usual Dave & Caller fustercluck.

[Greenville 90210]

Sheamus shouldn't be in the KotR. He's a former WWE Champ. He doesn't need it.

Alberto is the obvious choice. King Kofi could be good too. Maybe a little heel turn...

Who's the last person you want to win? Sheamus or Big Zeke are the last people I think should win.

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Kofi would be as much of a waste as Regal.

I want King Zeke!

[SteveFlack]

Sheamus shouldn't be in the KotR. He's a former WWE Champ. He doesn't need it.

Alberto is the obvious choice. King Kofi could be good too. Maybe a little heel turn...

Who's the last person you want to win? Sheamus or Big Zeke are the last people I think should win.

Drew. He just fucking sucks.

[Greenville 90210]

Drew. He just fucking sucks.

Oh yeah. I forgot about him. I'd rather King Sheamus and/or King Zeke than that turd.

[Greenville 90210]

Kofi would be as much of a waste as Regal.

I want King Zeke!

Regal would have been a great King if he wasn't suspended right when it looked like he was going to get the big push.

[Steve Marshall]

Regal would have been a great King if he wasn't suspended right when it looked like he was going to get the big push.

Has anybody ever been hit harder, career-wise, by a Wellness Violation than Regal was? I can't think of anyone.

[Daniel K.]

Has anybody ever been hit harder, career-wise, by a Wellness Violation than Regal was? I can't think of anyone.

I really don't think so. If anyone deserved a run with the title it was him. Sucks that one little mistake ruined the last chance he's ever going to get.

[Steve Marshall]

Not the best picture in the world, but from Juan Cena's debut:

http://i.imgur.com/Cod16.jpg

[Kirblar]

They really should go all-out with this, with a full body luchador suit.

[Daniel K.]

Not the best picture in the world, but from Juan Cena's debut:

http://i.imgur.com/Cod16.jpg

Well that'll be... interesting.

At least I have Punk's commentary to look forward to.

[joeAR]

Not the best picture in the world, but from Juan Cena's debut:

http://i.imgur.com/Cod16.jpg


Fucking genius.

[SteveFlack]

They really should go all-out with this, with a full body luchador suit.

No they shouldn't. The point is that it has to obviously be John Cena. Any deviation beyond a mask would ruin the entire gimmick.

[Gregory]

You can't si me.

[Weasel21385]

You can't si me.

That's hysterical. That's so simple, but that made me laugh.

I am so excited for tonight. Who does everyone think is going to win King of the Ring tonight? I am leaning towards Alberto Del Rio.

[Gregory]

That's hysterical. That's so simple, but that made me laugh.

I am so excited for tonight. Who does everyone think is going to win King of the Ring tonight? I am leaning towards Alberto Del Rio.

I think he needs it if he's not going to be in a title angle.

[Weasel21385]

I think he needs it if he's not going to be in a title angle.

I guess I'm just glad it's not going to be Rey Mysterio or Big Show.

[Gregory]

I guess I'm just glad it's not going to be Rey Mysterio or Big Show.

I'm thinking it's almost time for a Show heel turn. He seems to do about two a year.

Of the people involved, I think Drew and Morrison can benefit the most from the crown.

[Weasel21385]

I'm thinking it's almost time for a Show heel turn. He seems to do about two a year.

Of the people involved, I think Drew and Morrison can benefit the most from the crown.

Oh, I pray it isn't Drew. John Morrison would be good, he could really use the push. Someone like Sheamus doesn't really need it, but he hasn't won a real match in a while and this could be what he needs to turn things around.

[usagi20]

Well... Bryan could always feud with Miz!

...yeah, I know, they aren't really gonna do anything with it.

Also - for the record - the most obvious reason Bryan would be blowing off girls? That hasn't been mentioned at all in Dave and Bryan talking about it? He has a girlfriend! I don't know who they'd reveal as his girlfriend that would pay it off, but it'd be better than him being afraid of girls and as much as it would be nice to have a babyface gay character, as I've said before - I don't see it happening and I don't think the fans, sadly, would take to it.

So yes, Bryan = has a girlfriend. I think it makes sense.

I'd go with Natalya as his girlfriend. She's strong enough to beat him up if he so much as kisses another woman. And their titles could be paired up in a mixed tag match where if either of the challengers gets a pin or submission, both titles change hands.

[usagi20]

I'm thinking it's almost time for a Show heel turn. He seems to do about two a year.

Of the people involved, I think Drew and Morrison can benefit the most from the crown.

Show can't do a heel turn while WWE is still selling Knucklehead on DVD.

[Damian696]

I'd go with Natalya as his girlfriend. She's strong enough to beat him up if he so much as kisses another woman. And their titles could be paired up in a mixed tag match where if either of the challengers gets a pin or submission, both titles change hands.

Nattie would make the most sense. Beth could work, too, but she's tight up with LayCool. Gail would be nice, but she's way too much off the radar right now.

so if they're going that way, it's probably going to be AJ.

[Gregory]

Nattie would make the most sense. Beth could work, too, but she's tight up with LayCool. Gail would be nice, but she's way too much off the radar right now.

so if they're going that way, it's probably going to be AJ.

Who does Cole hate the most on NXT? That's who they'll put with Bryan.

[SteveFlack]

Daniel Bryan's girlfriend? Michael Cole. It's an angle that will blow everyone's mind.

[Damian696]

Who does Cole hate the most on NXT? That's who they'll put with Bryan.

Cole hates EVERYTHING on NXT.

I think on the season's finale they shouild call him out on doing such a shitty job, but that's just me, and they'll never do it.

[Steve Marshall]

I hope this angle does stick Bryan with the Bella Twins, at least short term. His reaction last week doesn't have to be the result of him being afraid of girls, uninterested, or being unavailable, it could just be that their sudden attention creeped him out. Him eventually accepting them and the Bellas bickering over favorite status could be pretty entertaining and different imo.

[chazbot]

Oh, I pray it isn't Drew. John Morrison would be good, he could really use the push. Someone like Sheamus doesn't really need it, but he hasn't won a real match in a while and this could be what he needs to turn things around.

I've been turning into a fan of Morrison whenever I catch him on recently. I'd be down with that.

[RoShambo]

Has anyone heard what Juan Cena's entrance theme is going to be??
It should totally be a mariachi-fied version of John Cena's.
:rofl:

[Mark4myself]

Show can't do a heel turn while WWE is still trying to sell at least one copy of Knucklehead on DVD.

Corrected for accuracy.

[Roger]

juan cena's debut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wKClxSRsg0

[Roger]

here's one with better pics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aghla3wZBzY&feature=related

[Roger]

i really want this figure

http://www.ringsidecollectibles.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=R&Product_Code=REX-023&Category_Code=AF

[iGotKittyPryde]

i really want this figure

http://www.ringsidecollectibles.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=R&Product_Code=REX-023&Category_Code=AF

Did they have to get DC approval for that sort of thing, I wonder?

[Roger]

Did they have to get DC approval for that sort of thing, I wonder?

"flash" is in qoutes....so there's that...lol

[Steve Marshall]

WWE.com posted the tournament bracket.

http://i.imgur.com/IhFrC.jpg

[Roger]

make a raw thread with that pic and put up a poll to go with it

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Zeke, the King of Domination over AmDrag in the finals...and boy do I dread hearing Cole for an AmDrag/Del Rio and possibly and AmDrag/Cody match...Also actually looking forward to Haitch hopefully indeed making the Sheamus run in return

[Kirblar]

Kofi's gonna win his first round match, he's the only face on his half.

[Steve Marshall]

Kofi's gonna win his first round match, he's the only face on his half.

Zeke's a face.

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

(King) Zeke is a face

[Kirblar]

Zeke's a face.
:lol: REALLY?

[Roger]

-- Jerry "The King" Lawler celebrates his birthday today as he turns 61 years old. "Mean" Gene Okerlund also turns 68 years old, while former WWE Champion John "Bradshaw" Layfield is 44.

[iGotKittyPryde]

-- Jerry "The King" Lawler celebrates his birthday today as he turns 61 years old. "Mean" Gene Okerlund also turns 68 years old, while former WWE Champion John "Bradshaw" Layfield is 44.

So, the KotR is an inside joke, then?

[Daniel K.]

Del Rio/AmDrag should be really good if they give it some time. I was really hoping to see those two in the final but oh well. I'd love to see Danielson take the win but I'm pretty sure Del Rio is going to make it to the final.

Morrison vs either Del Rio or Dragon would make a good match in the semifinals. I haven't seen much of Cody lately so I'm interested in seeing how he fairs. Definitely want to see Morrison advance, though.

Zeke vs McIntyre will be a black hole of suck but at least it'll probably be short.

Sheamus will probably plow through Kofi unless someone interferes. Whatever happened to that awesome Kofi push they were doing a year or so ago? He really got to show some personality and then poof! Nothing.

Should be a good Raw.

[joeAR]

Johnson revealed the working title of the book is The Heyman Hustle: Wrestling's Most Extreme Promoter Tells All, published by Gallery Books and scheduled for a Summer 2011 release.

That book is going to be awesome

[Daniel K.]

Johnson revealed the working title of the book is The Heyman Hustle: Wrestling's Most Extreme Promoter Tells All, published by Gallery Books and scheduled for a Summer 2011 release.

That book is going to be awesome

Oh god yes.

[Roger]

- Below is the updated list of WWE NXT season 4 Rookies and Pros:

* WWE United States Champion Daniel Bryan will mentor Derrick Bateman.

* R-Truth will mentor Johnny Curtis.

* Chris Masters will mentor Byron Saxton.

* Ted DiBiase will mentor Brodius Clay.

* Alberto Del Rio will mentor Conor O'Brian.

Michael Cole was planned to be a Pro as of this afternoon but WWE changed plans at the last minute. Other names who were scheduled for season 4 were FCW stars Damien Sandow and Seth Rollins, the former Tyler Black.

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Heyman's book! Fucking sweeeeeet

[iGotKittyPryde]

-
* Alberto Del Rio will mentor Conor O'Brian.


Conor O'Brian might be my favorite bad name so far. It just sounds like someone trying to remember Conan's name.

[ImYrWoodbury]

Conor O'Brian might be my favorite bad name so far. It just sounds like someone trying to remember Conan's name.

Brodius Clay. Brodius. Brodius.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Brodius Clay. Brodius. Brodius.

To be fair - that's also wonderful.

I wish Bryan had Tyler Black as his protege.

[The Human Target]

Mostly more horrible names.

Dragon's protege seems to be a big tan muscly douche.

I smell angle!

[Drew]

Brodius Clay. Brodius. Brodius.

Brodius before Hodius

[ImYrWoodbury]

Brodius before Hodius

Booyah!

[Gryphon]

Anyone watch the finale of this season of NXT?

[The Human Target]

In a bout of wrestling melancholy, I decided to list all the former RoH guys I really miss being with the company.

A.J. Styles
Alex Shelley
Austin Aries
KENTA
BJ Whitmer
Bryan Danielson (Daniel Bryan)
Matt Sydal (Evan Bourne)
Chris Sabin
CM Punk
Tyler Black (Soon to be Seth Rollins)
Jimmy Jacobs
Jimmy Rave
Larry Sweeney
Low Ki (Kaval)
Takeshi Morishima
Naomichi Marufuji
Nigel McGuinness (Desmond Wolfe)
Paul London
Rocky Romero
Samoa Joe
Spanky (The Brian Kendrick)
Lacey

[Drew]

Booyah!

:highfive:

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

No Morishima, Targy?

[Greenville 90210]

Is Desmond Wolfe still on TNA?

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Think so, he's injured and had some disciplinary incident as well

[ImYrWoodbury]

Is Desmond Wolfe still on TNA?

He was apparently suspended for 90 days, but I think his suspension is almost up. I don't know what he was suspended for. The plan is for him to reform his tag team with Magnus. It's a shame. I really like him, and I think Desmond Wolfe & Alberto Del Rio would make a great Tag Team.

[ImYrWoodbury]

No Morishima, Targy?

Does he count as an ROH guy? I thought they brought him in from one of the Japanese promotions. He's great, though. His matches with Danielson are classics.

EDIT: I see he already had other Japanese guys on his list.

[moonspider]

He was apparently suspended for 90 days, but I think his suspension is almost up. I don't know what he was suspended for. The plan is for him to reform his tag team with Magnus. It's a shame. I really like him, and I think Desmond Wolfe & Alberto Del Rio would make a great Tag Team.



yeah, him and magnus were supposed to be in a feud with MCMG...but because of some flight problems the feud was given to GEN ME..



which is still was'nt that bad and has helped Gen Me more.....

[joeAR]

- Below is the updated list of WWE NXT season 4 Rookies and Pros:

* WWE United States Champion Daniel Bryan will mentor Derrick Bateman.

* R-Truth will mentor Johnny Curtis.

* Chris Masters will mentor Byron Saxton.

* Ted DiBiase will mentor Brodius Clay.

* Alberto Del Rio will mentor Conor O'Brian.

Michael Cole was planned to be a Pro as of this afternoon but WWE changed plans at the last minute. Other names who were scheduled for season 4 were FCW stars Damien Sandow and Seth Rollins, the former Tyler Black.


R Truth and Chris Masters are Pros? Good lord.

[Weasel21385]

R Truth and Chris Masters are Pros? Good lord.

At least they aren't Tyler Black's mentors, that would've been terrible.

[Masculine Todd]

Here are Friday's Smackdown results. I apologize if they have already been posted.


The show opened with Rey Mysterio challenging Alberto Del Rio to a ladder match. They ended up fighting with Mysterio putting Del Rio through a table. The table didn't break the first two times they did it so this was one of those thank God we're taped angles.

Dolph Ziggler & Drew McIntyre b MVP & Kavel - Ziggler pinned Kaval with the Zig Zag

Kane attacked and beat down both MVP and Kaval after the match. Edge was in the back of the arena with Paul Bearer and Kane ran to the back to find them. Kane saw them but Edge ran away. He found Edge again. Then he saw Paul Bearer behind a trailer and all sorts of boxes fall on him to knock him out. But it was not the real Paul Bearer, but a dummy dressed up to look like him. Then Edge took the real Paul Bearer and escaped. And Edge is still the babyfce.

Kofi Kingston b Jack Swagger in a match to determine who gets the next shot at Ziggler's IC title. A Trouble in Paradise for the win.

Kane is still chasing Edge and Paul Bearer. Edge pushed Bearer down the steps. Kane ran down the steps to tend to his father, but it was another dummy, as Edge revealed at the top of the steps the real Paul Bearer was with him. He ran off again.

Cody Rhodes b Chris Masters

Layla b Rosa Mendes. Hornswoggle ran out. LayColl made fun of him. Beth Pheonix then made save. Then, the Swagger Eagle did a run in after Hornswoggle. The Eagle laid Hornswogggle out with a high kick, but then Pheonix laid out the Eagle with the Glam Slam.

Edge b Kane in a match where the winner would get to name the stipulations for the TLC PPV match. Crowd wasn't much into it. Edge won with the spear when Kane was distracted trying to save Paul Bearer. Edge picked, and get this one, a TLC match. I mean, who would have ever guessed? Hopefully they can do a match like this to determine the stipulation for the main event on the next Elimination Chamber show as well.

[SteveFlack]

Here are Friday's Smackdown results. I apologize if they have already been posted.



So is the Swagger Screaming Eagle going to join Hornswoggle in the 'Orphaned Gimmicks That No Longer Have Anything To Do With The Wrestler They Were Packaged With But The WWE Is Keeping Around Because Kids Like Them' stable?

[Weasel21385]

So is the Swagger Screaming Eagle going to join Hornswoggle in the 'Orphaned Gimmicks That No Longer Have Anything To Do With The Wrestler They Were Packaged With But The WWE Is Keeping Around Because Kids Like Them' stable?

Isn't the eagle Chavo? So maybe they are just going back to the same gimmick we already saw 6 months ago for way too long the first time.

[Masculine Todd]

That Smackdown sounds atrocious, which is a pity considering how watchable it's been recently (save for most of the Kane/Edge segments).


Musings:
1.) They're committed to burying Low-Ki (and MVP, surprising no one). Smackdown desperately needs over faces and has an abundance of heels. It's astonishing that they haven't attempted to build a new face.

2.) Beyond Edge, who's hardly at an optimal range of performance when working face and isn't well received as a good guy, Rey is the top face on the brand, which is fine, but he has no depth below him. Kofi's been beaten ad naseum by every heel on the brand. Now, he's the #1 contender for the Intercontinental Title, which will subsequently lead to a feud with Dolph Ziggler. The prospect of another Kingston/Ziggler program is rather depressing, given that they came off a three-month feud earlier in the year (July-September). Their anemic roster is becoming more evident with each show.

3.) Where was Show? I'm certainly not complaining that we won't suffer through his insipid buffoonery and poor attempts at humor, nor do I have any desire to see him trudge around the ring, but he's one of the few (semi) over faces they have.

4.) Seriously, I'm baffled by the Kofi as IC title-contender direction. Why not continue the Low-Ki/Ziggler rivalry? Low-Ki's over in spite of the weekly burials and the match is considerably more fresh than Kofi/Dolph. I realize they haven't much faith in Low-Ki as a draw, but it's the IC Title. It's entirely superfluous, so why does it matter? Is it really necessary to get Kofi on this PPV? They hardly utilize him as it is.

5.) The Kane/Edge match has one of the worst title builds I've seen in years. Prior to Survivor Series, Edge was a sadistic, duplicitous asshole, torturing a father and preying on a son's love to the point that we saw Kane, humbled, take a knee and beg. By all accounts, Edge is unequivocally heelish and Kane is seeking to save and avenge his father from torture and degradation. Post-Survivor Series, it's an episode of Benny Hill. Edge lures Kane in through wacky antics, Kane falls for the trap, and hijinks ensue. This is a parody of a World Title angle.

6.) So what will Rey and Del Rio fight over in a ladder match? What will be dangling from the apparatus? Considering Royal Rumble is the next PPV, they could battle for a contract that determines who will be the last entrant.

7.) I'm aware that they're selling the PPV on the stip, and that the World Title is inconsequential, but couldn't they have established the stipulation without giving the match away on television? Again, I know they're selling it on seeing the two wrestle in a TLC match, so a conventional singles match won't hinder the show, but we've seen Edge beat the World Champ clean prior to the show. The best way to sell feuds is to keep the opponents apart as much as possible prior to the PPV. Gah!

[SteveFlack]

Isn't the eagle Chavo? So maybe they are just going back to the same gimmick we already saw 6 months ago for way too long the first time.

I'm just surprised the even brought the Eagle back, because as of last week, he was dead because Hornswoggle ate him.

I can't believe we're using spoiler tags to talk about the Eagle/Hornswoggle feud.

[SteveFlack]

That Smackdown sounds atrocious, which is a pity considering how watchable it's been recently (save for most of the Kane/Edge segments).


Musings:
1.) They're committed to burying Low-Ki (and MVP, surprising no one). Smackdown desperately needs over faces and has an abundance of heels. It's astonishing that they haven't attempted to build a new face.

2.) Beyond Edge, who's hardly at an optimal range of performance when working face and isn't well received as a good guy, Rey is the top face on the brand, which is fine, but he has no depth below him. Kofi's been beaten ad naseum by every heel on the brand. Now, he's the #1 contender for the Intercontinental Title, which will subsequently lead to a feud with Dolph Ziggler. Those two feuded for three months straight (July-September). Their anemic roster is becoming more evident with each show.

3.) Where was Show? I'm certainly not complaining that we won't suffer through his insipid buffoonery and poor attempts at humor, nor do I have any desire to see him trudge around the ring, but he's one of the few (semi) over faces they have.

4.) Seriously, I'm baffled by the Kofi as IC title-contender direction. Why not continue the Low-Ki/Ziggler rivalry? Low-Ki's over in spite of the weekly burials and the match is considerably more fresh than Kofi/Dolph. I realize they haven't much faith in Low-Ki as a draw, but it's the IC Title. It's entirely superfluous, so why does it matter? Is it really necessary to get Kofi on this PPV? They hardly utilize him as it is.

5.) Kane/Edge has one of the worst title builds I've seen in years. Prior to Survivor Series, Edge was a sadistic, duplicitous asshole, torturing a father and preying on a son's love to the point that we saw Kane, humbled, take a knee and beg. By all accounts, Edge is unequivocally heelish and Kane is seeking to save and avenge his father from torture and degradation. Post-Survivor Series, it's an episode of Benny Hill. Edge lures Kane in through wacky antics, Kane falls for the trap, and hijinks ensue. This is a parody of a World Title angle.

6.) So what will Rey and Del Rio fight over in a ladder match? What will be dangling from the apparatus? Considering Royal Rumble is the next PPV, they could battle for a contract that determines who will be the last entrant.

Here's where Del Rio winning the KOTR could have saved that Ladder Match. Rey could have demanded that because Del Rio cost him a spot on the KOTR tourney, Del Rio would have to put the KOTR title on the line, and the crown could have dangled above the ring. It's not something that's really been done before

[Masculine Todd]

Here's where Del Rio winning the KOTR could have saved that Ladder Match. Rey could have demanded that because Del Rio cost him a spot on the KOTR tourney, Del Rio would have to put the KOTR title on the line, and the crown could have dangled above the ring. It's not something that's really been done before

I like that premise, especially because it lends some importance to the crown. Being King must be a prestigious honor if the headdress and cape are worth fighting for in a heavily-promoted upper midcard stip match on PPV.

[Kirblar]

Lets not kid ourselves.

The only reason they ran KOTR was to set up HHH's return.

[Weasel21385]

I like that premise, especially because it lends some importance to the crown. Being King must be a prestigious honor if the headdress and cape are worth fighting for in a heavily-promoted upper midcard stip match on PPV.


I agree, the hanging of the crown would've been a great idea. Now instead they will end up hanging the keys to Del Rio's car or his shawl. Either way, it doesn't make any sense and I am so over watching rey mysterio and his two moves.

[Steve Marshall]

At least they aren't Tyler Black's mentors, that would've been terrible.

It's not like it really means anything, and regardless, R-Truth is arguably more over than Bryan at this point in time.

[Greenville 90210]

The NXT commentary is so good. They really don't give a shit.

[The Human Target]

No Morishima, Targy?

Hmmmm odd he was on my list at some point.

I must have accidentally edited him out.

Surprisingly he ended up being my favorite Japanese import wrestler, because he actually got story lines and was a type of wrestler RoH didn't have.

[Your Pal, Carl]

I'm watching a match from the 1992 Royal Rumble involving the Bushwackers. It's a total comedy undercard match and the only reason I bring it up is because the Bushwackers had a manager, Jamison, accompany them to the ring. I have no memory of this guy and I don't recognize him at all. Who in the hell was this guy?

[SteveFlack]

I'm watching a match from the 1992 Royal Rumble involving the Bushwackers. It's a total comedy undercard match and the only reason I bring it up is because the Bushwackers had a manager, Jamison, accompany them to the ring. I have no memory of this guy and I don't recognize him at all. Who in the hell was this guy?

He ejaculated on TV once.

[Drew]

I'm watching a match from the 1992 Royal Rumble involving the Bushwackers. It's a total comedy undercard match and the only reason I bring it up is because the Bushwackers had a manager, Jamison, accompany them to the ring. I have no memory of this guy and I don't recognize him at all. Who in the hell was this guy?

I always thought he was a young Andy Kindler.

[joeAR]

I'm watching a match from the 1992 Royal Rumble involving the Bushwackers. It's a total comedy undercard match and the only reason I bring it up is because the Bushwackers had a manager, Jamison, accompany them to the ring. I have no memory of this guy and I don't recognize him at all. Who in the hell was this guy?


He was a nerd that Bobby Heenan made fun of constantly. Oh and he ejaculated on tv once.

[Benel Germosen]

I just want to say that it's 2:40 AM and Sara Del Rey's got a fat ass.

I just want to take it to dinner, is that weird?

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Her ass is bigger than Daisy Haze. In a good way.

[Prime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIoNg673PE

[joeAR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIoNg673PE


:thumb:

[Benel Germosen]

Her ass is bigger than Daisy Haze. In a good way.

I just want to wash it.

Y'know she's 30? Found that out today.

[ImYrWoodbury]

WWE Champ The Miz on ESPN.com's The BS Report w/ "The Sports Guy" Bill Simmons. Dave Meltzer's been on his show twice before, and Shawn Michaels was on this summer.


http://espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=bsreport
I'm like 5 minutes in and it's really, really, really awesome so far.

[Mark4myself]

Booking idea for Raw this week....

King Sheamus is in the back relishing being the King. An assistant comes to him with a fruit basket in hand telling him this was sent as a gift to his Kingship. Sheamus looks at the basket questioningly and then his eyes fill with rage as he smacks the fruit basket out of the assistants hands. As fruit rolls around the backstage area Sheamus screams at the assistant "Too many LIMES!"

I expect my check to be in the mail Vince.

[ImYrWoodbury]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/JWoodzIII/PepsiIsBetterThanCoke.jpg

[Benel Germosen]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/JWoodzIII/PepsiIsBetterThanCoke.jpg

This is gospel.

[Weasel21385]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/JWoodzIII/PepsiIsBetterThanCoke.jpg

Amazing. I really despise Jeff Hardy, I kinda want CM Punk to make a video back at Hardy but it's fine that he is above it.

[Mark4myself]

Amazing. I really despise Jeff Hardy, I kinda want CM Punk to make a video back at Hardy but it's fine that he is above it.

Besides Jeff Hardy does a pretty decent job of showcasing what a mess he is in the video himself. Any salvos from Punk would be seen as piling on. I just love the video comes out while Hardy is still going through the trial for possession. Great way to plead your case by saying how pro-drugs are cool and fuck Punk and his anti-drug stance.

[Gryphon]

Anyone have smackdown spoilers?

[SteveFlack]

Anyone have smackdown spoilers?

Yeah, Todd did. Yesterday.

http://606studios.com/bendisboard/showpost.php?p=7353971&postcount=2576

[Gregory]

Amazing. I really despise Jeff Hardy, I kinda want CM Punk to make a video back at Hardy but it's fine that he is above it.

His job proves he's above it. What I really love about his gimmick is that evil champ Punk was completely right about the good guy. Hardy was gonna fail his fans, and he did. He was gonna turn against them, and he did (in TNA). Since then Punk got massive mic time on SmackDown and is now on on-air personality despite an injury. He's a commodity the WWE supports despite being unable to wrestle. Call him Michelle McCool, because he's loving life.

[Gryphon]

Yeah, Todd did. Yesterday.

http://606studios.com/bendisboard/showpost.php?p=7353971&postcount=2576

Thanks.

[Xorn]

oh crap:
from the wwe facebook page :
WWE has come to terms on the release of WWE Superstar Montel Vontavious Porter - WWE Universe as of December 2, 2010. WWE wishes MVP the best in all future endeavors.

[morlock with a day pass]

oh crap:
from the wwe facebook page :
WWE has come to terms on the release of WWE Superstar Montel Vontavious Porter - WWE Universe as of December 2, 2010. WWE wishes MVP the best in all future endeavors.

wow. shouldn't be such a surprise but...

[Kirblar]

MVP kinda hit his "cap" a while back, and with them not really giving a fuck about the midcard this was inevitable.

[SteveFlack]

So, any guess on his TNA name? Rookie of the Year? Cy Young Winner? People's Choice Award?

[The Human Target]

I was never as impressed with him as some of you guys, but its sad they couldn't do anything with him.

The more young (or new) guys that are coming in, the more the MVP types are gonna get shit canned.

[SteveFlack]

I was never as impressed with him as some of you guys, but its sad they couldn't do anything with him.

The more young (or new) guys that are coming in, the more the MVP types are gonna get shit canned.

That's not a bad thing. Just because you're around doesn't mean you are owed anything. If you can't keep it fresh and exciting, you really do deserved to get let go.

[Kirblar]

That's not a bad thing. Just because you're around doesn't mean you are owed anything. If you can't keep it fresh and exciting, you really do deserved to get let go.
MVP's problem was always clunky ringwork. It was like someone gave him great atribute scores everywhere else and went "oh, I think I'm ok with an agility score of 2" :lol:

Him developing "Matt Hardy" disease in recent months didnt help either.

[michealdark]

That sucks. Bye Bye Montel Vontavius Porter, hello Antonio Banks getting buried in the TNA undercard, huh?

[The Human Target]

MVP's problem was always clunky ringwork. It was like someone gave him great atribute scores everywhere else and went "oh, I think I'm ok with an agility score of 2" :lol:

Him developing "Matt Hardy" disease in recent months didn't help either.

Vince should let his wrestlers use point buy for their stats, but he's too old school.


That's not a bad thing. Just because you're around doesn't mean you are owed anything. If you can't keep it fresh and exciting, you really do deserved to get let go.

I worry their going to use that logic on guys who don't have Team Extreme-itis like Christian or Swagger.

And I thing its too early to tell if a lot of these new guys are going to have any more competency than MVP either.

[Foolish Mortal]

MVP never got anywhere because he kept getting himself put in the doghouse, thus putting the brakes any decent push he got.

[Kirblar]

MVP never got anywhere because he kept getting himself put in the doghouse, thus putting the brakes any decent push he got.
He'd never become champ, but he definitely could have worked for a long time in the undercard.

[The Human Target]

Black Cena is the new MVP now.

I expect him to tag with Mark Henry or R-Truth shortly.

[Benel Germosen]

I don't get it. He was pretty over, as seen by the MVP chants hre got on RAW a few weeks ago. He was a good work, solid in-ring who could talk and could have been main event if he didn't get suspended.

[Your Pal, Carl]

He ejaculated on TV once.


I always thought he was a young Andy Kindler.


He was a nerd that Bobby Heenan made fun of constantly. Oh and he ejaculated on tv once.

I don't remember any of this. How did he get started? How long was he around?

[Gryphon]

Now Im worried about Kaval.

[Kirblar]

Now Im worried about Kaval.
...why?

[Gryphon]

...why?

They have him on a massive jobbing streak. Yes, they gave him a PPV match but I dont think the E really can appreciate what he can do.

They need a cruiserweight division ( spelling might be off there), and not just a title like they had in the past but an actual division, like ( i feel dirty for saying this) TNA has ( or ahd, Ive heard its been scaled down but I dont watch TNA)

[michealdark]

The X-Division, one of the best things about their first 5 years, has all but disappeared from TNA, like the tag division has from the E.

[Gryphon]

Like I said, I dont watch TNA as I find it to be low quality trash.

But if WWE got a division that let high flyers show off what they could do, then we would be in for a treat. As it is, Kaval is jobbing, (though a feud with ziggler might help him but he absolutely needs to feud with mysterio)

[michealdark]

Mysterio, Bourne, Kaval, Morrison, Punk (when he's healthy again, since Punk's been known to fly), Ziggler (a little big but has the athleticism), bring back Zack Gowan (I loved that kid), The Dudebusters, you have yourself a nice looking division.

[Greenville 90210]

He ejaculated on TV once.

What is this about?

[Greenville 90210]

Bourne, Kaval, Primo, Tyson Kidd, Justin Gabriel, Trent Baretta, Zach Ryder, Cody Rhodes, JTG, Chavo, Yoshi Tatsu, and maybe 1 or 2 of the new group of NXT rookies would make an excellent Cruiser division.

[michealdark]

Thank you, I knew I was forgetting some

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Poor Chavo doesn't get a shout out from you guys?!

Seriously though, that would be a horrible, shitty cruiserweight division. Almost none of them work the style, or would ever get a push in any form, or are injured and nearing retirement, or are heavyweights, or are just waiting for the next round of cuts...

Seriously, go watch Chikara, there's years worth of shows with better wrestling than any fantasy cruiser division that will never exist in the E could even provide if it ever did.

[Benel Germosen]

Poor Chavo doesn't get a shout out from you guys?!

Seriously though, that would be a horrible, shitty cruiserweight division. Almost none of them work the style, or would ever get a push in any form, or are injured and nearing retirement, or are heavyweights, or are just waiting for the next round of cuts...

Seriously, go watch Chikara, there's years worth of shows with better wrestling than any fantasy cruiser division that will never exist in the E could even provide if it ever did.

He ain't lying. People talk about PG Wrestling, Chikara is PG wrestling.

[Kirblar]

Cruiserweight doesn't work in WWE because it stigmatizes the guys working it.

[ImYrWoodbury]

I'm hearing from Figure Four Daily that MVP created the MVP character, and thusly has the rights to it. I'll never forget when he got moved to Raw and immediately cut a promo on Randy Orton and thinking that they were gonna do something with him, and then they never did.

[Ryan_ZOOM_Turner]

MVP actually asked for his release from WWE, he wasn't fired from them.
Below are quotes from his Twitter this evening:

"We all have many dreams. Realizing one sometimes prevents you from realizing another. Decisions must be pondered & made ! Stand by ...

No need for alarm. I did not get fired . I asked for & received my release. I felt it was time to go international & freshen things up.

They're not screwing me this time. They're actually DOING RIGHT by me ! They've honored MY request."

[ImYrWoodbury]

Daniel Bryan could be the Dean Malenko of the Cruiserweight Division. But, if WCW guys had a hard enough time breaking out of the Cruiserweight scene, imagine a cruiserweight guy trying to convince Vince (Con Vince?) that he belongs in the Main Event scene.

[Benel Germosen]

MVP actually asked for his release from WWE, he wasn't fired from them.

Isn't 'VP an avowed Chono fan? Looks like someone wants to go to Japan next year.

[Gryphon]

I keep finding out that all the wrestlers I enjoyed watching in my youth are now either dead or drug addicts, ( or died from a drug overdose), or otherwise screwed up.

[ImYrWoodbury]

I keep finding out that all the wrestlers I enjoyed watching in my youth are now either dead or drug addicts, ( or died from a drug overdose), or otherwise screwed up.

What time period would that be? I was born in the 80s and it's now all but an accepted fact that everyone from that era was doing cocaine and/or steroids.

[Gryphon]

What time period would that be? I was born in the 80s and it's now all but an accepted fact that everyone from that era was doing cocaine and/or steroids.

90's and very early 2000's.

[ImYrWoodbury]

90's and very early 2000's.

Yeah, that was a pretty bad era for Steroid use.

[Drew]

In other news? SOLIDER ANT FOR TOUGH ENOUGH CAMPAIGN!

http://www.realitywanted.com/member/id/192576

[Gryphon]

Yeah, that was a pretty bad era for Steroid use.

Finding out that people like Chyna, xpac, road dawgg, have essentially been ruined by drug addictions, and that guys like test are dead, is kinda upsetting.

[joeAR]

In other news? SOLIDER ANT FOR TOUGH ENOUGH CAMPAIGN!

http://www.realitywanted.com/member/id/192576


I'm going with Bobby Fish

http://www.realitywanted.com/member/id/192503

[The Human Target]

I don't think WWE needs a cruiser division.

I think they need to remove the stigma that bigger is better.

And I think thats maybe naturally going to occur over the next few years, as Sheamus is the only fairly statuesque young guy they have right now.

[Brad N.]

I don't get it. He was pretty over, as seen by the MVP chants hre got on RAW a few weeks ago. He was a good work, solid in-ring who could talk and could have been main event if he didn't get suspended.

MVP was ALWAYS over, despite the WWE. Much like Christian, Matt Hardy and a handful of others that Vince can't stand and is clueless why people love them. As I said after attending Bragging Rights - he wrestled Chavo in the unaired opening match and received by far the loudest pop of the night, and the crowd was hot the entire match filled with several MVP chants. I realize his ringwork was slow and sloppy at times, but his gimmick and popularity alone should have made him a bigger star than he was. I see HE asked for his release too, can't say I blame the guy.

[Masculine Todd]

MVP's problem was always clunky ringwork. It was like someone gave him great atribute scores everywhere else and went "oh, I think I'm ok with an agility score of 2" :lol:

Him developing "Matt Hardy" disease in recent months didnt help either.

I don't believe that was ever "his problem." Guys who aren't particularly adept workers, yet possess charisma/the look have excelled. MVP, despite his clumsiness, was capable of good matches. By all accounts, guys actually enjoyed working with him because he was relatively safe in the ring (which reportedly earned him some leeway during times where he drew the ire of the office). What doomed him was his penchant to generate heat. He had a sizable push initially, but soon found himself in the proverbial doghouse, and by the time the disciplinary period was over, they'd already moved on to new people.

In '08, he was slated for a program with Hunter on Smackdown, which was then awarded to Koslov. In '09, after the brief feud with Orton, there was talk that he would move on to Big Show and help out Cena in six-mans against Orton and Legacy. Those plans were immediately dropped after he pissed off the wrong people yet again, and subsequently lost the US Title to Kofi.

It's a shame really, as MVP was a very good talker, had a very distinguishing gimmick early on, and had the mannerisms/signature catch-phrase.

[Masculine Todd]

MVP never got anywhere because he kept getting himself put in the doghouse, thus putting the brakes any decent push he got.

Well, FM said it all much more succinctly and promptly. Agreed.

[Greenville 90210]

I'm hearing from Figure Four Daily that MVP created the MVP character, and thusly has the rights to it. I'll never forget when he got moved to Raw and immediately cut a promo on Randy Orton and thinking that they were gonna do something with him, and then they never did.

It's not that great of a character. I thought he showed promise in the ring and on the mic but "Montel Vontavious (?!?!) Porter" is not a great gimmick. I hope he never does the fake-ass "ballin'" people's elbow rip-off again. I can't stand moves like that.

[UltimateFactor]

It's not that great of a character. I thought he showed promise in the ring and on the mic but "Montel Vontavious (?!?!) Porter" is not a great gimmick. I hope he never does the fake-ass "ballin'" people's elbow rip-off again. I can't stand moves like that.

Me either, well except for the People's Elbow because I was young :lol: But the crowd absolutely loves them so we'll probably never see an end to them.

[joeAR]

PWTorch.com is reporting that TNA Wrestling recently asked former WCW Champion Diamond Dallas Page to return to the company. Page, who is now 54, had a brief run with TNA back in 2005. Page reportedly turned down the offer, as he is currently working as an actor, motivational speaker and fitness guru. He is said to have no desire to return to wrestling at this time.

[joeAR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxvsRZ-aAk8

[Foolish Mortal]

PWTorch.com is reporting that TNA Wrestling recently asked former WCW Champion Diamond Dallas Page to return to the company. Page, who is now 54, had a brief run with TNA back in 2005. Page reportedly turned down the offer, as he is currently working as an actor, motivational speaker and fitness guru. He is said to have no desire to return to wrestling at this time.
Good for him.

[Kirblar]

Who wants to bet that TNA didn't even realize how old the guy was?

[joeAR]

Who wants to bet that TNA didn't even realize how old the guy was?


I'm guessing that's why they wanted him. To take Nash's place.

[Kman00001]

PWTorch.com is reporting that TNA Wrestling recently asked former WCW Champion Diamond Dallas Page to return to the company. Page, who is now 54, had a brief run with TNA back in 2005. Page reportedly turned down the offer, as he is currently working as an actor, motivational speaker and fitness guru. He is said to have no desire to return to wrestling at this time.

That's not a bad thing...that's a good thing!

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/473/263/ddp_awesomeface_display_image.jpg

[Gregory]

I'm tempted to complain about Page's WWE run, but given how far he had come through WCW by willpower and hard work alone, it's a testament to is efforts that he even HAD a WWE run.

I was happily surprised when he was revealed as Taker's stalker. I didn't have a clue.

[Kman00001]

I'm tempted to complain about Page's WWE run, but given how far he had come through WCW by willpower and hard work alone, it's a testament to is efforts that he even HAD a WWE run.

I was happily surprised when he was revealed as Taker's stalker. I didn't have a clue.

He got some nice dental work out of it, at least.

I was big into DDP back in the day when he almost beat Goldberg for the WCW title.

[Benel Germosen]

Turned on to this by the Colt Cabana podcast.

Iron Sheik remix of the Love The Way You Lie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox_63TSfm54)

[Masculine Todd]

I'm tempted to complain about Page's WWE run, but given how far he had come through WCW by willpower and hard work alone, it's a testament to is efforts that he even HAD a WWE run.

I was happily surprised when he was revealed as Taker's stalker. I didn't have a clue.

Being neighbors/friends with Eric Bischoff certainly didn't hurt, but I'd agree. Page was one of the few guys the main-eventers - all desperately protecting their spots - allowed to join their level, due in no small part to how over he was able to get. I suppose I should be thankful he was given a WWE run, but I can't help but scoff at how poorly he was used/buried given how over he was and how dream matches like Page/Rock, Page/Austin and Page/Hunter would have garnered interest/buys had DDP not been made into an ineffective fool (see: that four minute SummerSlam tag team squash between Page/Kanyon and Kane/'Taker or the goofy stalker angle and the ensuing public speaker persona). Christian's great, but Page shouldn't have been relegated to the 'Mania opener with him for the European Title when he was one of the biggest draws in the business in '97-'99.

[Masculine Todd]

PWTorch.com is reporting that TNA Wrestling recently asked former WCW Champion Diamond Dallas Page to return to the company. Page, who is now 54, had a brief run with TNA back in 2005. Page reportedly turned down the offer, as he is currently working as an actor, motivational speaker and fitness guru. He is said to have no desire to return to wrestling at this time.

Classic TNA: Instead of rectifying their booking problems so as to make new stars with the deep, talented roster they have, they reach out to guys who were stars in the mid-to-late '90s - stars of whom they'll nullify any drawing power within weeks through their inane writing.

[Greenville 90210]

Me either, well except for the People's Elbow because I was young :lol: But the crowd absolutely loves them so we'll probably never see an end to them.

I know. I liked the People's Elbow when it was a heel move.

Now, WWE had 3 dudes that do people's elbow rip-offs.

[SteveFlack]

Being neighbors/friends with Eric Bischoff certainly didn't hurt, but I'd agree. Page was one of the few guys the main-eventers - all desperately protecting their spots - allowed to join their level, due in no small part to how over he was able to get. I suppose I should be thankful he was given a WWE run, but I can't help but scoff at how poorly he was used/buried given how over he was and how dream matches like Page/Rock, Page/Austin and Page/Hunter would have garnered interest/buys had DDP not been made into an ineffective fool (see: that four minute SummerSlam tag team squash between Page/Kanyon and Kane/'Taker or the goofy stalker angle and the ensuing public speaker persona). Christian's great, but Page shouldn't have been relegated to the 'Mania opener with him for the European Title when he was one of the biggest draws in the business in '97-'99.

Listen, I love Page as much as the next guy, buy isn't calling him "one of the biggest draws in the business in '97-'99" a bit much? Weren't all of his headlining PPV's bombs?

[THWIP!]

Make me famous!

[Gregory]

Listen, I love Page as much as the next guy, buy isn't calling him "one of the biggest draws in the business in '97-'99" a bit much? Weren't all of his headlining PPV's bombs?

The Goldberg/DDP PPV was ruined when it ran over and the carrier cut the feed.

Also, once the audience realizes all you do is call bad guys "scum," they get bored. But his Triad run with Bigelow and Kanyon was nice while it lasted.

[Gryphon]

Cruiserweight doesn't work in WWE because it stigmatizes the guys working it.

Well, they can call it something other than cruiserweight and play up the high flying nature of it. Isnt that what TNA did?

[Gregory]

Well, they can call it something other than cruiserweight and play up the high flying nature of it. Isnt that what TNA did?

Considering how many recent champions are legit cruiserweights, I wouldn't herd them into a separate corral.

[Gryphon]

Considering how many recent champions are legit cruiserweights, I wouldn't herd them into a separate corral.

It could help the new cruiserweights who are basically just jobbing right now.

[Benel Germosen]

It could help the new cruiserweights who are basically just jobbing right now.

They could be helped by focusing on the midcard, which is what the cruiserweights are anyway.

[Masculine Todd]

Listen, I love Page as much as the next guy, buy isn't calling him "one of the biggest draws in the business in '97-'99" a bit much? Weren't all of his headlining PPV's bombs?

Halloween Havoc with Goldberg/Page did the second biggest buyrate in the company in '98 (their most profitable year). Admittedly, they were forced to refund about 40% of that due to the blackout. The Bash at the Beach and Road Wild tags with Karl Malone and Jay Leno against Hogan and Dennis Rodman/Eric Bischoff were in the top six (and those two matches headlined their respective PPVs). He was also the third highest merch mover in the company under Goldberg and the nWo in '98. I don't think I'm stretching it, at least, not in 1998. He was one of the few over guys when the company folded, and in came to prominence at the same time Austin, Rock and Hunter did. Had they promoted Page as a star upon his entry into WWE, I'd imagine matches between him and Austin or Rock would equate to buys.

EDIT - For what it's worth, I was never enamored with Page, myself.

[Masculine Todd]

But his Triad run with Bigelow and Kanyon was nice while it lasted.


This was one of the few times I enjoyed Page. The Jersey Triad was great, and my first exposure to "Freebird Rules." It's a shame they didn't survive the summer, as they were a stable (well, if three can be labeled a stable) with legs.

[Damian696]

Halloween Havoc with Goldberg/Page did the second biggest buyrate in the company in '98 (their most profitable year). Admittedly, they were forced to refund about 40% of that due to the blackout. The Bash at the Beach and Road Wild tags with Karl Malone and Jay Leno against Hogan and Dennis Rodman/Eric Bischoff were in the top six (and those two matches headlined their respective PPVs). He was also the third highest merch mover in the company under Goldberg and the nWo in '98. I don't think I'm stretching it, at least, not in 1998. He was one of the few over guys when the company folded, and in came to prominence at the same time Austin, Rock and Hunter did. Had they promoted Page as a star upon his entry into WWE, I'd imagine matches between him and Austin or Rock would equate to buys.

EDIT - For what it's worth, I was never enamored with Page, myself.

wasn't Page the guy who wanted to lay out every single move before his matches ? I maybe mixing things up here, but I think he was the guy who went to Taker before their match with some sort of playbook with every move in it - which didn't quite worked in his favour in WWE.

[Kirblar]

As I recall from (foley?, Scott Keith?) somewhere, the issue was not so much pushing DDP, because the guy got himself over through force of will, but pushing him to the moon as champ, which was taking it a step too far.

[Kirblar]

They could be helped by focusing on the midcard, which is what the cruiserweights are anyway.
Correct. The problem is that they NO LONGER BOOK STORYLINES FOR THEIR MIDCARDERS. This is one of the things Russo and the guy that followed him in '99-'00 really understood.

[Masculine Todd]

wasn't Page the guy who wanted to lay out every single move before his matches ? I maybe mixing things up here, but I think he was the guy who went to Taker before their match with some sort of playbook with every move in it - which didn't quite worked in his favour in WWE.


Yeah, Foley mentioned this as well as Lance Storm in a few of his regular F4W appearances. However, most of the incoming WCW guys were immediately buried upon arrival to prove that they weren't stars. It's the WWE's innate bias against stars they didn't create. Had Page not been so adamant on intricate match layouts, I can't imagine them making him a perennial upper mid-card/main-event due to the WCW stigma.

[Damian696]

Yeah, Foley mentioned this as well as Lance Storm in a few of his regular F4W appearances. However, most of the incoming WCW guys were immediately buried upon arrival to prove that they weren't stars. It's the WWE's innate bias against stars they didn't create. Had Page not been so adamant on intricate match layouts, I can't imagine them making him a perennial upper mid-card/main-event due to the WCW stigma.

yeah, I agree that even without that stuff Page wouldn't have had a better run. but at that time I wasn't watching much wrestling anyway, so the whole invasion storyline went right past me.

[joeAR]

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that with Randy Orton's most recent title run having come to an end, he has now moved to the number 10 spot in terms of most days spent as WWE Champion. Prior to Orton winning the title, Shawn Michaels was at the number 10 spot and has now moved to number 11. Randy Orton has held the WWE Title for 420 days. The rest of the list is as follows:

9. Randy Savage at 529 days.

8. Steve Austin at 529 days.

7. Triple H at 539 days.

6. Bret Hart at 654 days.

5. John Cena at 947 days.

4. Pedro Morales at 1,027 days.

3. Bob Backlund at 2,138 days.

2. Hulk Hogan at 2,184 days.

1. Bruno Sammartino at 4,040 days.

[Alex]

Cruiserweight doesn't work in WWE because it stigmatizes the guys working it.

It doesn't have to.

It's a holdout from boxing, that the heavyweight title has to be the main draw. But if you look at the past 6-7 UFC fights, more often than not the middleweight or the light heavyweight match headlined the card. There's no reason a WWE cruiserweight bout can't be the main event.

[Benel Germosen]

It doesn't have to.

It's a holdout from boxing, that the heavyweight title has to be the main draw. But if you look at the past 6-7 UFC fights, more often than not the middleweight or the light heavyweight match headlined the card. There's no reason a WWE cruiserweight bout can't be the main event.

The reason UFC has weight classes is because those guys are actually fighting.

[Gryphon]

Correct. The problem is that they NO LONGER BOOK STORYLINES FOR THEIR MIDCARDERS. This is one of the things Russo and the guy that followed him in '99-'00 really understood.

And thus they squander excellent talent.

I think a Tag Team of Kaval and MVP would have been cool, but no use crying over spilt milk.

[michealdark]

The reason UFC has weight classes is because those guys are actually fighting.

And it's more profitable right now than WWE, TNA, ROH, and IWF Mid-South combined. I bet right now more people can tell you who Stephan Bonnar, Mirko Cro-Cop, and Wanderlei Silva are than can tell you who Trent Barretta is.

[Daniel K.]

The reason UFC has weight classes is because those guys are actually fighting.

Bingo. The WWE/World Heavyweight Title will always be at the top of the card. Its the main draw and any other belt will be placed underneath it. Just like the Intercontinental title will never headline a PPV, a Cruiserweight/Flyweight/Light-Heavyweight/Whatever you want to call it title will not either and any title that excludes the larger athletes on a weight basis will be seen as a belt for guys who just can't "cut it" in the big leagues and will probably attach a stigma to the wrestlers involved.. I don't agree with it but this is how wrestling audiences have been conditioned for decades and it's not likely to change anytime soon.

[michealdark]

The X-Division, at least for the first 5 years, was more than capable of headlining a PPV. Remember that that title is essentially a cruiseweight title (minus guys like Kaz and Joe going for it)

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Yeah look at all the good it did for TNA, the E should jump on it. I mean hell, intergender tag titles could headline a ppv if they were booked perfectly for a long time in a fantasy world, but I don't know why you'd spend too much brain time on that. There's a lot of places to see better "cruiserweight" action than anything the E could/has/will ever produce.

[Daniel K.]

The X-Division, at least for the first 5 years, was more than capable of headlining a PPV. Remember that that title is essentially a cruiseweight title (minus guys like Kaz and Joe going for it)

Has it though? I don't watch TNA very often... or ever.

By the way, the X Division was a stroke of genius whether it's headlined PPVs or not. By tying the cruiserweights to a "style" as opposed to a weight class TNA can erase some of the "small guy" stigma while putting on damn good matches.

[Gryphon]

Has it though? I don't watch TNA very often... or ever.

By the way, the X Division was a stroke of genius whether it's headlined PPVs or not. By tying the cruiserweights to a "style" as opposed to a weight class TNA can erase some of the "small guy" stigma while putting on damn good matches.

Thats the thing the E needs to do. Showcase the high flying style, not neccessarily as a cruiserweight division. In fact wthe reason TNA called it the x division was so that it wouldnt be bound to the stigma attached to cruiserweights.

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

As soon as Big Zeke perfects his hurricanrana, they'll bring it back.

[Bervda]

Has it though? I don't watch TNA very often... or ever.

By the way, the X Division was a stroke of genius whether it's headlined PPVs or not. By tying the cruiserweights to a "style" as opposed to a weight class TNA can erase some of the "small guy" stigma while putting on damn good matches.

It did plenty of times in the days of their weekly shows, and has on rare occasion since they switched to monthly PPVs.

[michealdark]

Up until about 2007, it was probably the best part of TNA. Then again, up to about 2007 TNA was the generally superior product. All the guys, from Shark Boy to Jeff Jarrett, were giving it their all to make the company survive and grow and putting on great shows to give the fans something to talk about. Since 2007 though, things have degenerated quickly into old washed up WWE guys and a complete lack writing talent and Vince Russo fucking things up like he always does and Angle being an egotist instead of the best wrestler in the world and burying the X-Division to try to boost and increasingly less impressive heavy weight division and too many factions taking over and the genuine animosity between Angle and Jarrett almost killing the company and just blahs. The only great thing in that time has been the Knockouts, and there's less focus on them right now

[Masculine Todd]

I'll never forget taking a break from wrestling, tuning in to TNA in hopes of seeing some classic X-Division action only to find Kevin Nash killing six dudes at once and rocking the belt under the guise of "getting them over."

[The Human Target]

I always thought the X-Division was for guys who can actually wrestle.

[UltimateFactor]

I'll never forget taking a break from wrestling, tuning in to TNA in hopes of seeing some classic X-Division action only to find Kevin Nash killing six dudes at once and rocking the belt under the guise of "getting them over."

Yeah, that was fuckin' horrible.

[Gryphon]

Kaval needs to be in a tag team to help get him over.

[UltimateFactor]

Kaval needs to be in a tag team to help get him over.

He should tag up with Rey. It would help him, as well as lighten the load on Rey and his knee. Then when the time is right, turn Kaval on Rey and they have at it in a very awesome program.

[Gryphon]

He should tag up with Rey. It would help him, as well as lighten the load on Rey and his knee. Then when the time is right, turn Kaval on Rey and they have at it in a very awesome program.

That would be fucking awesome!!!!

[Alex]

Bingo. The WWE/World Heavyweight Title will always be at the top of the card. Its the main draw and any other belt will be placed underneath it. Just like the Intercontinental title will never headline a PPV, a Cruiserweight/Flyweight/Light-Heavyweight/Whatever you want to call it title will not either and any title that excludes the larger athletes on a weight basis will be seen as a belt for guys who just can't "cut it" in the big leagues and will probably attach a stigma to the wrestlers involved.. I don't agree with it but this is how wrestling audiences have been conditioned for decades and it's not likely to change anytime soon.

But it IS changing, is my point. UFC and even boxing (where Mayweather and Pac-man are the big names) are proving that the heavies don't have to be the headliners.

It's an odd thought, that WE would accept it but somehow other people wouldn't. I think we as Internet geeks underestimate what casual fans would accept, like how Hollywood conventional wisdom is that women can't be action leads.


I always thought the X-Division was for guys who can actually wrestle.

*and spot-monkeys

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Rumors going around before the TNA PPV started that Jeff almost got pulled and sent home for behavior...wonder if Morgan wins the belt...also Joe's contract is up apparently.

[Gryphon]

I really hate TNA.

[THWIP!]

http://www.wrestlingrevealed.com/next/content.php?1643-Jeff-Hardy-In-Bad-Shape



Jeff Hardy almost ruined the main event of Final Resolution.



Jeff Hardy In Bad Shape

TNA came very close to pulling the trigger.

Sources have stated that management came very close to changing up the main event of the Final Resolution tonight. Jeff Hardy supposedly showed up to the arena in no condition to work. Dixie Carter and her staff contemplated taking the belt off him. They also came up with some potential replacements in the main event match.

The belief is that Hardy showed up intoxicated at the iMPACT! Zone. With his history of drug abuse, it is not a speculation that can be easily dismissed. The North Carolina native failed several drug tests while working for WWE. He's also awaiting trial for drug charges as well.

While the easy assumption to make is drugs, there's also the chance that Hardy showed up to work with injuries. Through the years, he has been known to push his body to the limits. It would not come as a complete shock if management did not want him to work because they noticed him limping or wincing in pain backstage.

Whatever it is, it almost led to one of the biggest stories of the year.

As of right now, though, everything is set scheduled to take place as advertised. Hardy will be defending the TNA World Heavyweight Championship against Matt Morgan, and Mr Anderson will be the special guest referee.

Closing Thoughts

Really hope that this isn't about drugs. The man is a father now. Hopefully, he remembers that.

[Kirblar]

It's about drugs.

Just because you had a kid, does NOT make you a better person.

[Roger]

met bruno on sat.
he signed my magazine. cost $20.00...but what are you going to do?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/REALSANDMAN420/brunomag.jpg

[Benel Germosen]

It's about drugs.

Just because you had a kid, does NOT make you a better person.

A-Fucking-men

[The Human Target]

*and spot-monkeys

Very true.

But I stand by my opinion that spot monkeys are way better than the Kevin Nashs of the world.

[The Human Target]

met bruno on sat.
he signed my magazine. cost $20.00...but what are you going to do?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/REALSANDMAN420/brunomag.jpg

Awesome!

[Benel Germosen]

Very true.

But I stand by my opinion that spot monkeys are way better than the Kevin Nashs of the world.

Unless you're Ricochet.

[The Human Target]

Unless you're Ricochet.

Its not a perfect system.

But then, I'd rather see a crappy wrestler get hurt doing a 360 shooting star press off a cage then see one get hurt while trying to get into the ring.

[Benel Germosen]

Its not a perfect system.

But then, I'd rather see a crappy wrestler get hurt doing a 360 shooting star press off a cage then see one get hurt while trying to get into the ring.

I have no problems with wrestlers hurting themselves, but if you're doing moves that you know you shouldn't do because you've hurt people before but you keep doing them anyways. Yeah, you're a fucking liability and as a fan, I'd rather not have you there.

I don't care how cool a double moonsault looks.

[Daniel K.]

But it IS changing, is my point. UFC and even boxing (where Mayweather and Pac-man are the big names) are proving that the heavies don't have to be the headliners.

The big difference here is that UFC and Boxing are not scripted. If Mayweather has a fantastic fight people will have to notice and his next fight on PPV will do even better and propel whatever championship he holds into a higher position on a card but in wrestling who is on top is decided by ultimately one man. If Vince doesn't "get" you, you probably won't go over, just ask Christian or MVP, and there is no way in hell Vince is ever going to rank any belt over the World Heavyweight or WWE titles. These two belts (the WWE moreso) are and will always be the top prize. It's what you shoot for when you're climbing the ladder of every lesser belt on the card and it's what you get when you've "arrived".

Now are attitudes changing toward smaller guys? Absolutely! The Miz is our WWE champion right now and he's not an Undertaker or Triple H sized guy at all. This on top of guys like CM Punk or Rey (however briefly and ineffectively) grabbing top belts while guys like Danielson and Low Ki are getting hired proves that the attitude in the back is changing for the better. You're absolutely right when you say heavies don't have to be the headliners, but they do have to be challenging for the top belts in order to headline.


It's an odd thought, that WE would accept it but somehow other people wouldn't. I think we as Internet geeks underestimate what casual fans would accept, like how Hollywood conventional wisdom is that women can't be action leads.

I don't mean to sound elitist or anything but internet fans or smarks or whatever you want to call us, we look for stuff casual fans don't look for talent wise and character wise. The casual fans, however, are going to cheer for whoever they're told to cheer for, boo whoever they're told to boo and find credible whoever they're told is credible. As long as guys like Vince decide that smaller guys are less than desirable, the casual fans aren't going to see them as a threat. Now there are guys who fight their way into the title picture by getting progressively more over with the fans, but that only happens so often. If you want to be taken seriously, they have to take you seriously in the back.

[ImYrWoodbury]

I see one major glaring flaw in the "Heavyweights Don't Always Headline UFC" argument. On a UFC PPV, Title fights always headline, and the Heavyweight Title isn't defended on every PPV. In fact, the last time 2 Titles were defended on the same show was at UFC 100, Georges St-Pierre defended his Welterweight Title (170 lbs) against Thiago Alves and Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir fought for the Undisputed Heavyweight Title; the Heavyweight Title Fight got top billing.

[Foolish Mortal]

I see one major glaring flaw in the "Heavyweights Don't Always Headline UFC" argument. On a UFC PPV, Title fights always headline, and the Heavyweight Title isn't defended on every PPV. In fact, the last time 2 Titles were defended on the same show was at UFC 100, Georges St-Pierre defended his Welterweight Title (170 lbs) against Thiago Alves and Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir fought for the Undisputed Heavyweight Title; the Heavyweight Title Fight got top billing.
Because the guys are really fighting, there needs to be downtime and training time between title bouts. You can't defend the title on every PPV like they do with wrestling titles.

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

They buried Joe about as bad as they ever have again at the PPV with his contract up, I wonder if they care at all about resigning him or what the deal is there.

The word on Hardy is that he was exhausted from being on the road since the day after Thanksgiving with house shows overseas and twenty hour flights and blah blah blah, personal appearances and his newborn kid...maybe you should have taken the fucking belt off him then if he can't handle it for whatever the reason is TNA, instead of having him keep going...

It was actually a decent PPV, though. Opener #1 Contendership tag title match was good, though I don't know why they can't give Ink Inc a shot instead of Beer Money again. The women's brawl match was actually good, with a little comedy. X-Division match was what you would expect mostly. TLC tag title match was alright, lot of nonsensical spots that took time to set up, but it was TLC match after all. AJ and Williams was great for the TV title, glad and surprised to see Doug getting a constant push. The casket match, Koe/Jarrett, and main event sucked.

[Gregory]

I see one major glaring flaw in the "Heavyweights Don't Always Headline UFC" argument. On a UFC PPV, Title fights always headline, and the Heavyweight Title isn't defended on every PPV. In fact, the last time 2 Titles were defended on the same show was at UFC 100, Georges St-Pierre defended his Welterweight Title (170 lbs) against Thiago Alves and Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir fought for the Undisputed Heavyweight Title; the Heavyweight Title Fight got top billing.

Any PPV with Brock will put him in the main event for the crossover audience interest. The numbers back up the strategy. Brock is HUGE business for UFC.

[ImYrWoodbury]

Because the guys are really fighting, there needs to be downtime and training time between title bouts. You can't defend the title on every PPV like they do with wrestling titles.

Yeah. That was kind of my point. I saw people pointing out how the Heavyweight fights don't always headline UFC PPVs. I was merely pointing out that UFC Main Events aren't based on weight classes, but by Titles. A Heavyweight fight for the #1 contender spot is not going to headline a show with a Title fight, no matter the weight class. Which brings me to another point: in UFC, Titles matter.

[ImYrWoodbury]

Any PPV with Brock will put him in the main event for the crossover audience interest. The numbers back up the strategy. Brock is HUGE business for UFC.

Not unless there's a Title fight on the card. Case in point, UFC 87. Lesnar fought Heath Herring, but the Main Event was Georges St-Pierre defending his Welterweight Title against Jon Fitch.

[Gryphon]

What matches are on RAW tonight?

[Foolish Mortal]

Yeah. That was kind of my point. I saw people pointing out how the Heavyweight fights don't always headline UFC PPVs. I was merely pointing out that UFC Main Events aren't based on weight classes, but by Titles. A Heavyweight fight for the #1 contender spot is not going to headline a show with a Title fight, no matter the weight class. Which brings me to another point: in UFC, Titles matter.
Exactly, the title matters, and hence all the drama surrounding it with contenders and their matches and positioning has substance.

[Greenville 90210]

Very true.

But I stand by my opinion that spot monkeys are way better than the Kevin Nashs of the world.

Agreed.

[Greenville 90210]

If I had my way, the shows would have the following announce teams:

RAW: Michael Cole, CM Punk, and Josh Matthews

Smackdown: Jim Ross, Matt Striker, and Todd Grisham

[Jason California]

SO John Cena has been "fired", and just goes to shows to cause havoc?

[Bervda]

SO John Cena has been "fired", and just goes to shows to cause havoc?

Yes. Security doesn't stop him due to all the times Nexus has attacked security.

[evophile]

I don't understand how John Cena feels he deserves payback.

He's owned the Nexus every week since he got fired. There hasn't even been the usual WWE back and forth. Just the Nexus, arguably the most successful group of heels WWE has created in quite awhile to look like huge chumps. They should just end them now.

I can't even see how Nexus ever gets a one up in the storyline again. Barret is going to have to rehire Cena and Cena is not going to lose his comeback match, Wade never got his title, couldn't beat Cena, is losing his troops.

Not to mention all the illogical plot holes and illegal activities John Cena has been committing. Im such a huge fucking dork for being upset about this.

[ImYrWoodbury]

I don't understand how John Cena feels he deserves payback.

He's owned the Nexus every week since he got fired. There hasn't even been the usual WWE back and forth. Just the Nexus, arguably the most successful group of heels WWE has created in quite awhile to look like huge chumps. They should just end them now.

I can't even see how Nexus ever gets a one up in the storyline again. Barret is going to have to rehire Cena and Cena is not going to lose his comeback match, Wade never got his title, couldn't beat Cena, is losing his troops.

Not to mention all the illogical plot holes and illegal activities John Cena has been committing. Im such a huge fucking dork for being upset about this.

Don't worry. I know exactly how you feel. This storyline makes no sense. None.

[Briomega]

I don't understand how John Cena feels he deserves payback.

He's owned the Nexus every week since he got fired. There hasn't even been the usual WWE back and forth. Just the Nexus, arguably the most successful group of heels WWE has created in quite awhile to look like huge chumps. They should just end them now.

I can't even see how Nexus ever gets a one up in the storyline again. Barret is going to have to rehire Cena and Cena is not going to lose his comeback match, Wade never got his title, couldn't beat Cena, is losing his troops.

Not to mention all the illogical plot holes and illegal activities John Cena has been committing. Im such a huge fucking dork for being upset about this.

Heh, the plot holes and inconsistencies and illogical decisions in almost every storyline for the past year have been crazy.

[evophile]

Heh, the plot holes and inconsistencies and illogical decisions in almost every storyline for the past year have been crazy.

Yes this is true and for the most part is always true for the WWE. I guess it's more particularly infuriating to me b/c the Nexus storyline as a whole was pretty well done and showed a lot of promise.

But it was one thing for it to not have been good, or me not liking a couple things, but I feel if there was a checklist for all the stupidest ways the storyline could go, they decided to go with them.

[ImYrWoodbury]

Yes this is true and for the most part is always true for the WWE. I guess it's more particularly infuriating to me b/c the Nexus storyline as a whole was pretty well done and showed a lot of promise.

But it was one thing for it to not have been good, or me not liking a couple things, but I feel if there was a checklist for all the stupidest ways the storyline could go, they decided to go with them.

Agreed. That first angle they did with the nXt invasion and Cena's retirement promo were two of the best moments in recent WWE history.

[Briomega]

Yes this is true and for the most part is always true for the WWE. I guess it's more particularly infuriating to me b/c the Nexus storyline as a whole was pretty well done and showed a lot of promise.

But it was one thing for it to not have been good, or me not liking a couple things, but I feel if there was a checklist for all the stupidest ways the storyline could go, they decided to go with them.

It started out so great. Then the Danielson thing happened and that cut the legs out and then they just kept making dumber and dumber decisions. It didn't help that the GM thing was going on also and they kept making plot holes in that story too.

[ImYrWoodbury]

It started out so great. Then the Danielson thing happened and that cut the legs out and then they just kept making dumber and dumber decisions. It didn't help that the GM thing was going on also and they kept making plot holes in that story too.

Lest we forget Skip Sheffield's injury.

[Briomega]

Lest we forget Skip Sheffield's injury.

:sad:

[evophile]

It started out so great. Then the Danielson thing happened and that cut the legs out and then they just kept making dumber and dumber decisions. It didn't help that the GM thing was going on also and they kept making plot holes in that story too.


Lest we forget Skip Sheffield's injury.

Yeah, both those things sucked. I assume Skip would have been Gabriels original tag partner for the belts.

Now don't get me wrong, I like the Miz a lot and happy hes champ but I don't understand why Barrett never got the belt (aside from maybe being a little green still?).

At least if Barrett got the belt once, or somehow acquired it since Cena got fired and Cena was still messing with him, he's a man with something. Right now Barrett and Nexus are guys with nothing who are being picked on by a guy who is essentially a bad sport. What was funny about Barrett's promo on Raw was that he was mostly right.

Cena & Edge = 2 biggest heels in WWE

[Kirblar]

I think the danger with Barrett was that if he was going to immediately drop it to Miz it could make him look like a joke.

[The Human Target]

Have any of the season 2 NXT guys shown up yet?

I thought I saw Husky Harris when I flipped to RAW last week, and I think I saw Kaval buried under some guys on Smackdown.

[moonspider]

I think the danger with Barrett was that if he was going to immediately drop it to Miz it could make him look like a joke.



how's that any different from how he's being handled now?

[XXXenophile]

Have any of the season 2 NXT guys shown up yet?

I thought I saw Husky Harris when I flipped to RAW last week, and I think I saw Kaval buried under some guys on Smackdown.

Husky and McGillicutty (Henning) are now both part of the Nexus on Raw.

Alex Riley is the Miz's "indentured servant" as I call him.

Kaval is on Smackdown. I don't think any of the others yet have appeared on WWE TV since.

[michealdark]

Sheamus as Cerunnos last night. A) Best nod to heritage ever? and b) Appropriate for the season. This is Cerunnos' season, as the Celtic god of Death and the Hunt. And Yule is the big pagan winter holiday.

[michealdark]

On regards to Santino's recent performances and the nice judo throws:

He's supposed to be a good martial artist, so the judo stuff doesn't surprise me. Add in some judo/jui-jitsu style locks and we're looking at greatness.

Oh, Kozlov is supposed to be a sambo champ, right? Hence the gi jacket. Sambo is basically Russian MMA. He should be really, really good at takedowns and leg locks. Let's make him the Oleg Taktarov of the WWE.

Santino can be the Matt Serra of the WWE.

Taker's already the Frank Mir/Ricco Rodriguez of the WWE (in other words 250+ pounds of the best jui-jitsu around).

Del Rio has some jui-jitsu skills too, I just have no clue who to compare him to.

[UltimateFactor]

On regards to Santino's recent performances and the nice judo throws:

He's supposed to be a good martial artist, so the judo stuff doesn't surprise me. Add in some judo/jui-jitsu style locks and we're looking at greatness.

Oh, Kozlov is supposed to be a sambo champ, right? Hence the gi jacket. Sambo is basically Russian MMA. He should be really, really good at takedowns and leg locks. Let's make him the Oleg Taktarov of the WWE.

Santino can be the Matt Serra of the WWE.

Taker's already the Frank Mir/Ricco Rodriguez of the WWE (in other words 250+ pounds of the best jui-jitsu around).

Del Rio has some jui-jitsu skills too, I just have no clue who to compare him to.

You can compare Del Rio to himself! Though I'm not so sure that's a good thing in this instance. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Biz3sfhqWY

[Damian696]

Danielson totally should have a Goldeberg-like entrance, but instead of security guys it should be all girls. :D

[michealdark]

You can compare Del Rio to himself! Though I'm not so sure that's a good thing in this instance. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Biz3sfhqWY

If you're dumb enough to fight Cro-Cop in a mask, you're dumb enough to get kicked in the head and then have to answer to Bas Rutten for it.

Ugh, now I know why he'd doing WWE. :lol:

[joeAR]

For selfish reason I want Joe to sign with ROH instead of with TNA. Imagine how awesome feuds with Davey, Hero, Claudio, Eddie, and Omega would be.

[Gryphon]

An interesting turn to the nexus storyline could be Barrett forming a new heel stable and having the two groups fight it out.

[Drew]

I for one want Samoa Joe to go through the game show process of entering the WWE.

BRING ME JOE LEVINSON!

[Briomega]

You can compare Del Rio to himself! Though I'm not so sure that's a good thing in this instance. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Biz3sfhqWY

Wow, I had no idea that was who Alberto was.

[Mark4myself]

I can't wait for Samoa Joe to appear on the next season of NXT!!!!

[Mark4myself]

Still no word on any repercussions for Jeff Hardy? Man shows up barely in any condition to function at a PPV and nothing? Are we buying the "I was fatigued" explanation? The man is on trial right now for possession and has a youtube clip out where he is out of his mind slamming CM Punk while praising the under the influence lifestyle. Do we really buy into the simple "Oh i was just soooo tired that's why i was such a mess at the show". Even if that is true (which I sincerely doubt) you don't have a man be the face of your company who can't even function on your reduced schedule. Especially with the problems he has had and appears to still be having. He's a walking time bomb and it's becoming apparent its only a matter of time before something happens to Jeff. Either legally or tragically. Why doesn't TNA do something before they get the press they do not want?

[Gryphon]

I can't wait for the inevitable dvd of the nexus storyline.

[Steve Marshall]

NXT Season 4 starting up in a few minutes. Anybody else watching?

[Mark4myself]

Superstar Billy Graham says the end is near and is already making funeral arrangements....A very sad read although it sounds he is at peace and embracing the end. For those unaware of who he is or only vaguely aware, I can not recommend his DVD enough or even to read his book. He was truly a man ahead of his time and his matches with Dusty Rhodes were incredible.

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/dec/05/superstar-graham-says-end-near/

[Steve Marshall]

I was hoping they would keep "You Make The Rain Fall" as the theme song. :D

[ImYrWoodbury]

NXT Season 4 starting up in a few minutes. Anybody else watching?

I'm in. I see Maryse didn't really break-up with Ted Jr. And I loved Mathews acknowledging that Byron Saxton used to do commentary on ECW and almost ruined his career.

[Steve Marshall]

Conor O' Brian's #1 inspiration is Johnny Ace? Suck up!

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Brodus Clay is a superstar