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THEDOC
08-26-2011, 06:21 AM
I just had a long conversation about Olney, and this really needs to be said:

We need some guidelines here. Particularly as regards dealing with people who are in the middle of being set up by him. Too much of what is said here sounds hostile and threatening; our warnings to them about Olney are being perceived as attacks upon those people themselves. Too much of what goes on here has a definite "mob" vibe to it. People that we are trying to tell about Olney are hearing that they will be tarred as his co-conspirator unless they immediately recant and take the oath.

We really really need to stop sounding like a combination of Torquemada and Joe McCarthy to these people. It's not helping. Flying off the handle and calling for boycotts against Matt Busch because he hasn't hopped to it as quickly as we think he ought to is not going to convince anyone we aren't what Olney says we are.

The proper way to deal with gossip is to behave in such a way that nobody will believe it's true.

So here are my suggestions for ways to operate. I can't make anyone do anything, but I think if you do these things, it will be better for everyone.

1. Whenever possible, people that have been announced as participants in an Olney scheme should be approached and warned (POLITELY!) by somebody that knows them, or that has had some prior contact. Adding somebody on FB so you can launch into a screed about Olney and imply that this person is going to be in trouble if they work with him, that comes off as creepy and stalkerish. If you feel you must warn the person, maybe just send a link to one or more of the more calmly-written pieces online, such as one of the Bleeding Cool articles, or J.M.'s FookYouTwit pages, or Tony Isabella's warning letter on UNSCREWEDCOMIC.COM.

2. After you've given the person the information, back the hell off. Do not badger, harangue, heckle, pester, annoy, ruffle, vex or antagonize the person. Do not demand that they take action or else. You gave them the information, now leave them alone and let them make their choices. You can't save people who don't want to be rescued. Push too hard and you push the person into Olney's camp for a longer period.

3. Enough with the guilt-by-association. Let's face facts: If we had been this organized with Ronee Garcia-Bourgeois was still Olney's publicity director, we would have made her already-miserable life a living hell. If we had gone after her with the gusto that we'd shown Clayton and others, we would have inflicted some serious grief. Sometimes it takes people a while to extricate themselves from a bad situation, even after they know it's a bad situation. Sometimes they feel they're in too deep. Sometimes they need to desperately cling to the hope that they can salvage something from the wreckage. Sometimes they just need somebody encouraging them instead of attacking them. The "if you're not for us, you're against us!" stance is for people like Dick Cheney, not us. That person you're accusing of being Olney's henchman may just be trying like hell to walk away with some measure of dignity intact.

4. Be positive and supportive. We should be offering help, not condemnation.

5. Be smart. Some of what's said here may be legally actionable. If the person you're "warning" feels threatened, you may find yourself afoul of cyber-stalking laws. Remember this is a fairly new field and most prosecutors don't really have enough precedent law to look at or enough knowledge to be able to assess cases properly. You may find yourself dealing with a zealot looking for someone to make an example of. If there's somebody who hasn't accepted your warning about Olney, wash your hands of it. Walk away. Leave them alone and let time do the job. The more you put them on the defensive, the more crow they have to eat later. Don't do that to them. More importantly, don't do it to yourself. That person could file charges against you. And I promise you, UNSCREWED will disavow all knowledge of your actions. Everyone on here, myself and Tom included, speaks as individuals representing only themselves, unless one of us states that we are speaking as representative of UNSCREWED.

6. Don't claim to represent UNSCREWED if you don't. Don't suggest it or imply it. It is a legal corporation, it has officers, and only those officers are authorized to speak on behalf of the organization.

7. Put yourself in the other guy's shoes. What would you think if you were on the receiving end of all this attention? Is it a pleasant feeling? It it likely to convince you?

I guess that's enough out of me. It seems like about once a year, I have to post one of these "raise your standards" messages, and I know that somebody is going to tell me I can't dictate how they can post or what they can say. But y'know what? If I think you're actually interfering with legitimate efforts to shut down Olney's fraud attempts, I will tell you how not to post, and if the law gets involved I will throw you under the bus at the first opportunity. If you've made threats or unfounded accusations against people because you decided they weren't anti-olney enough for your tastes, you are responsible for those comments. IF you've gone off on innocent bystanders because you think it's funny to ridicule somebody's kid or brother-in-law or whatever even though they have nothing to do with the case at hand, you own that and you get to deal with it if it comes back to bite you in the ass; I will not help you. I may very well be standing there saying "yup, that's the one who said it, officer."

As you may be able to tell, I am good and pissed as I write this. That's because I just spent two hours trying to explain and defend the unexplainable and indefensible. I have better and more productive things to do with my time. I can't afford to squander that much time cleaning up other people's messes. So knock it the hell off.

When we engage in that kind of childish conduct, we make it that much easier for people to believe Olney's "haters" line.


Very well said!!

THEDOC
08-26-2011, 06:24 AM
Tom,

I couldn't agree with you anymore, nicely put!

Plus, I feel that Clayton & Collette are wonderful people, they have a great heart about them, they are some of my closest friends!

Wish I had gone around WW-Chicago and met Clayton as I was a couple of rows away from him. I did send my son Heroes Fallen web link and he will pass it along to the artists ne know.

THEDOC
08-26-2011, 06:32 AM
Da Blog:

Friday, August 26, 2011UPDATE: Rick Olney HAS Organized a Veterans Day Weekend ComicFest!



Adirondack ComicFest is a three-day long comics extravaganza being held on Veterans Day weekend, November 11th-13th, 2011 in Old Forge, New York to bring the Adirondack region a weekend of fun! There are movies stars, comic book legends, and a variety of fine artists,

As plans progress, the weekend will begin with a Veteran’s Day Breakfast followed by a Opening Ceremony at 1:00 p.m. to be live-streamed from the Adirondathon website. The times are listed on our Adirondack ComicFest blog as of right now, and a venue is secured.



Our guest list thus far includes these confirmed individuals, but to be updated on the added guests -- CHECK BACK no later for October 11th to see our updated guest list. Thank you!

Guest List:
Tyler Mane
Nick Jones
Dave Hoover
Clayton D. Murwin
Ben Dunn
Matt Reynolds
Michael W. Kellar
Arvell M. Jones
Valerie Finnigan
Dave Ryan
John 'Waki" Wycough
...and 6 (thus far) newly confirmed guests of note to be shared on November 11th!

As any comic book aficionado knows, it is tough to get people to turn their July gaze from the grand goings-on out in California with the Comic-Con International
but we're optimistic that our over three dozen extended invites shall mean a few more guests being added in the coming weeks. So join Adirondack ComicFest blog and follow us!


About Me:

I have been fond of Old Forge, New York and the Adirondack region my entire life.After being contacted by a couple of non-comic book reading friends, I decided to pitch-in and take on branding a new comics and pop culture event for Adirondathon. After having undergone so much personal loss with death in 2006 to 2009; learning that I had a congenital heart defect and also found to have colon cancer ... this was a walk in the park. The Adirondack Park!


My time as a comics event host dates back as far ago as 1996. Prior to that I had also set-up and arranged meetings and special functions for two other work related groups as a member and officer. Well over 60 or so I'd say. After having attended some of the earliest 'gatherings' from fandom history I accepted the challenge from a group of neighborhood teens from a comic book club that I was involved within to put together an event. ORCon '96 held in downtown Utica. Some of our notable guests then were: Richard Pini; Dick Ayers; Joe Sinnott; Sam Glanzman; Mark McKenna; John Hebert; Jim Califiore; and a number of small press and independent publishing imprints.

The show was a success that day and it inspired a handful of kids to the comic book club growing and taking on such other things as participating in holiday parades to hand out free comics and candy to the kids of all ages.

My next comics related stuff came from that neighborhood comic book club growing into a national/international loosely knit network of comic book readers calling themselves the Organized Readers of Comics Association. ORCA, as it became known held monthly meetings at a local library to inspire the hobby of comics along with trying to stimulate younger people to become more diligent readers. The meetings were always new based upon what was going on in the hobby. ORCA organized and made trips to a number of comic book events as far away as Toronto, Canada; Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and to Ohio.


In 2001, a new event called the Mighty Minicon was began and five somewhat successful gatherings of those were held. The last one being held in 2003 (FOR the members of ORCA) has gotten some negative attention on the internet, but seeing as that bit of negative buzz wasn't propagated until 2005 its a fairly good assumption that those voiced opinions are simple acts at jealousy, smear and libel over my dealings in 2005 regarding my failed step into self publishing. The 2033 Mighty Minicon featured such guests as Tom Peyer; Gail Simone; Chris Yambar; Tony Isabella; Buddy Scalera; T.J. May; Greg Horn; Mike Kaluta; Ben Steckler; Jason Youngbluth; Stuart Moore; Chris Eliopoulos; Bob Rozakis; Ken Gale; Mercy Van Vlack; Roger Stern; and a number of other people who shall have to forgive my memory. Some have gone on and continued in their creativity; others have simply quit and wandered off into living their lives.



The 2003 Mighty Minicon was a diamond in the rough! As these photos will attest, we had the entire spectrum of what comic book readers clamor for when attending an event like this. THESE PHOTOS, btw WERE BEFORE the show ever opened its doors, as vendors, guests and retailers had time to wander around and buy and barter on their own. It DOES NOT represent the 600+ people that did partake in enjoying the 2003 Mighty Minicon. The MMC drew retailer/dealers from as far away as the Washington, DC Capitol area with KOOP'S Comics coming up to offer his high quality wares. We had dealers in from New Jersey and Ohio too. And, as I have mentioned in other blog postings on the MMC, we had a local dealer sell a VF+ copy of Marvels' Daredevil first issue. So I am aware that there were a few 'high rolling' comics dealers here to shop. I expect no less this November at the Adirondack ComicFest. (Note: Those two shots are during the finishing stages of set-up. We had an count of over 600+ paid admissions and several hundred 'free roamers' from the HCCC college students.)

Of course, we had no film stars guesting back in 2003. The two websites (featuring the Mighty Minicon.com and orcafresh.net) that once held many fond memories and scores of interviews and conversations are both gone. What remains is the tonterías and letters from friends. For legal reasons, I cannot go into exact details on the self publishing mierda. I can tell you though that nothing is forgotten or left to go unpaid indefinitely by me. Nothing. That simply isn't my way. I'm a professional. I don't need to fabricate message board posts, make bold onerous remarks without substantiation, or offer up hatred towards anyone to advance my goals. Don't believe me? Then follow us at the Adirondack ComicFest blog and find out for yourself!

So HE organized this venture NOT the company he's touting about for months, no mention of it at all as far I can tell.
In addition we get his great history and MCC ventures. Golly and no cover charge.

JTPencils
08-26-2011, 06:42 AM
I don't know about anyone else... but the last paragraph of that blog just about floored me. What hubris!

Gail Simone
08-26-2011, 08:07 AM
Jesus Christ. He's a professional, who always pays?

On Bizarro Earth, maybe. In the REAL world, he not only breaks his word to everyone foolish enough to trust him, he has REPEATEDLY gleefully stated that no one he owes will ever see a dime from him.

Urgh. What a scumbag.





But yes, what Mac said, I'm sick of seeing people lambasted for being fooled by Olney. I was fooled by Olney, Chuck Dixon, Val Staples, dozens and dozens of people were fooled by Olney.

It's HARD to admit you've been gullible and believed a deadbeat con artist.


Give people a chance to come around. Give them a little benefit of the doubt. Remember, they have had their entire view of the situation poisoned by a very adept and willing liar. And no one
wants to admit they've been foolish.

People's behavior has to be pretty egregious before I start lumping them in with Olney. Even Dennis, as spineless and gross as I find him to be, he clearly wasn't evil or dishonest, and meant well,
he just didn't have a backbone to protest when he saw Rick's dishonesty. Different category of loser entirely.

AND, not everyone is going to have the ethics to care about previous freelancers being cheated anyway.

I've never once told an attendee not to go to Rick's con. I think they should be given the facts, and Rick's massive history of cheating freelancers and vendors. Then it's their choice, and when they
regret it, it's their business.

MacQuarrie
08-26-2011, 08:31 AM
I just think it's a lot easier for people to come around if they don't have to first forgive us for what we said about them while they were learning the hard way.

Gail Simone
08-26-2011, 09:47 AM
I agree.

Some of the stuff Matt said was ridiculous, but I believe he intended the money to go to the DAV and I believe he's at least listening a little bit.

Everyone learns about Rick Olney eventually. The question is, do they learn BEFORE or AFTER he cheats them?

MacQuarrie
08-26-2011, 10:10 AM
So Olney is in pompous ass promoter mode now?

In 2001, a new event called the Mighty Minicon was began and five somewhat successful gatherings of those were held. The last one being held in 2003...
Five events in three years? How come nobody has ever heard about any of the first four? No photos, no testimonials, no nothing. Interesting.....


I'm a professional. I don't need to fabricate message board posts, make bold onerous remarks without substantiation, or offer up hatred towards anyone to advance my goals. Don't believe me? Then follow us at the Adirondack ComicFest blog and find out for yourself!
There it is, folks. Take him at his word. Watch and see. I guarantee that between now and November 11, you will see Rick Olney do at least two of the things he lists here. He will definitely "make bold onerous remarks without substantiation" and "offer up hatred" towards someone. There will be ranting, abuse, distortions, tantrums, meltdowns, and deletions of all the above. Watch and see.

Gail Simone
08-26-2011, 10:29 AM
Hell, he was JUST gleefully admitting to cheating someone two days ago, WHILE offering repulsive homophobic comments about an openly gay man.

Olney, you are disgusting.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-26-2011, 10:32 AM
So Olney is in pompous ass promoter mode now?

Five events in three years? How come nobody has ever heard about any of the first four? No photos, no testimonials, no nothing. Interesting.....
Slight correction that doesn't change your point in any way but as Rick tends to jump over any mistakes to point to us lying about him...

I've seen photos and read about a Mighty Mini-Con from October 2002. So there was indeed something before 2003.

His claim that there were 5 total? Yeah that's a total Rick made up story to make himself look important. He called the one in October 2002, "Mighty Mini-Con 1" and the one in May 2003, "Mighty Mini-Con 2" in the promotion at the time. I have never come across anything that pre-dates that.

Tony Isabella
08-26-2011, 10:42 AM
I think my garage sale has already had more comics fans than Olney's imaginary conventions of the past several years. It's going so well and I'm having so much fun that I might do another one sometime in September.

Olney's name came up once...from someone who can't believe the guy is still around.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-26-2011, 10:50 AM
To save Rick from sputtering up some lies to say the October 2002 wasn't the first MMC, here is one of his pre con press releases.


ORCA Sponsors Comic Book Show in the Beautiful Mohawk Valley on October 5, 2002 in Ilion, New YorkIlion, N.Y., September 15, 2002 – To promote the reading, care & collecting of comic books, and to further support the comic book entertainment industry and to re-install a comic book event in the beautiful Mohawk Valley, Founder/Director Rick Olney announced today that the first bi-annual Mighty Mini-Con would be held in Ilion, New York at The Knights of Columbus, 5 West Street, Ilion, New York on October 5, 2002. There will be a selection of well known guests and opportunities to buy that much sought after comic book some readers & collectors miss. ORCA is pleased to honor Mr. Dick Ayers at our first Mighty Mini-Con.


ORCA, which stands for Organized Readers of Comics Associated, is an international comic book club based in Ilion, New York.


“Many people may recall the previous 10 UtiCon’s which concluded in the year 2000. Two years is far to long for the comic book reading & collecting community to go without a comic book event in upstate/central New York area. So ORCA will be sponsoring this event and hope that it is as enjoyable as its own first show back in 1996 was. People still recall it fondly” Olney said.


“Smaller events such as this are a much needed boost in the arm of our hobby. There can never be enough of them taking place,” noted ORCA President Dennis Kininger.


Kininger said ORCA celebrated its 9th year anniversary recently and couldn’t think of a better a way to introduce people to such a superb hobby and activity.


Kininger and Olney said ORCA’s mission to promote comic books is supported by children and adults with an active imagination. Fans, artists, writers, retailers and publishers will be on site at ORCA’s first Mighty Mini-Con. Admission is very affordable at only $5 dollars for adults, $3 dollars for children. Any child 7 years of age or younger accompanied by an adult paid admission will gain free entry. All monies raised by this event will be evenly split by ORCA and the Mohawk Valley chapter of the Make*A*Wish Foundation. A gala auction is being held, a costume contest (with prizes being awarded), and the first 100 people attending the show will get a bag full of goodies. Refreshments will be available also. A good day of family fun!

Flamebird
08-26-2011, 11:14 AM
To save Rick from sputtering up some lies to say the October 2002 wasn't the first MMC, here is one of his pre con press releases.

Kininger and Olney said ORCA’s mission to promote comic books is supported by children and adults with an active imagination. Fans, artists, writers, retailers and publishers will be on site at ORCA’s first Mighty Mini-Con. Admission is very affordable at only $5 dollars for adults, $3 dollars for children. Any child 7 years of age or younger accompanied by an adult paid admission will gain free entry. All monies raised by this event will be evenly split by ORCA and the Mohawk Valley chapter of the Make*A*Wish Foundation. A gala auction is being held, a costume contest (with prizes being awarded), and the first 100 people attending the show will get a bag full of goodies. Refreshments will be available also. A good day of family fun!


Gee, a charity.
What a humanitarian. . .

Jim Ritchey
08-26-2011, 11:19 AM
I agree.

Some of the stuff Matt said was ridiculous, but I believe he intended the money to go to the DAV and I believe he's at least listening a little bit.

Everyone learns about Rick Olney eventually. The question is, do they learn BEFORE or AFTER he cheats them?

We are just like The X-Men--"Shunned by a humanity we are sworn to protect!". :D

Seriously--why do these folks think we keep talking about it--for FUN--??? That we're bullying, poor, poor Ricky Boy--instead of trying to keep him from fouling the ground of Indy comics and the convention scene with his own thievery, lying, and psychotic bullying, further? Do they really think they are the very special snowflake with immunity from being conned?

Those who have come along and given us grief for actually attempting to HELP steer them away from inevitably being f---ed need to consider--this is not an enjoyable pastime. We simply do not want people to go through what we and others went through.

I feel permanently tainted and slimed by just having interacted with Olney for a few months--and I've been duped, stolen from and slandered by some pretty slimy characters.

leftwingnutcase
08-26-2011, 11:34 AM
Hell, he was JUST gleefully admitting to cheating someone two days ago, WHILE offering repulsive homophobic comments about an openly gay man.

Olney, you are disgusting.

Like I said, I will be ignoring him. He's not used to that, and it must really irritate him. Say Rick, have you taken me up on my offer to prove that sexuality is a preference? If so, I hope you enjoyed it, because I doubt the feeling could be mutual!

THEDOC
08-26-2011, 11:53 AM
Jesus Christ. He's a professional, who always pays?

On Bizarro Earth, maybe. In the REAL world, he not only breaks his word to everyone foolish enough to trust him, he has REPEATEDLY gleefully stated that no one he owes will ever see a dime from him.

Urgh. What a scumbag.





But yes, what Mac said, I'm sick of seeing people lambasted for being fooled by Olney. I was fooled by Olney, Chuck Dixon, Val Staples, dozens and dozens of people were fooled by Olney.

It's HARD to admit you've been gullible and believed a deadbeat con artist.


Give people a chance to come around. Give them a little benefit of the doubt. Remember, they have had their entire view of the situation poisoned by a very adept and willing liar. And no one
wants to admit they've been foolish.

People's behavior has to be pretty egregious before I start lumping them in with Olney. Even Dennis, as spineless and gross as I find him to be, he clearly wasn't evil or dishonest, and meant well,
he just didn't have a backbone to protest when he saw Rick's dishonesty. Different category of loser entirely.

AND, not everyone is going to have the ethics to care about previous freelancers being cheated anyway.

I've never once told an attendee not to go to Rick's con. I think they should be given the facts, and Rick's massive history of cheating freelancers and vendors. Then it's their choice, and when they
regret it, it's their business.

Gee, that's an insult to Bizarros, even they have more class than him. ;)

Artful Angie
08-26-2011, 02:47 PM
HI MATT BUSCH

I hope you are having a good relaxing weekend. You said you needed to drive somewhere, I would assume a convention of some kind or a family function, and I hope it's a peaceful weekend away from here.

But when you come back, I hope you consider the following very carefully:

You came on the thread and very aggressively defend your partnership with Rick. I have no problem understanding why you would do this. But your main defense seemed to be the tried and true "Well, you'll see that he's going to give to The DAV, because he said so! But I can't prove to you something that hasn't happened yet!"

And that's a valid point. Except it's not. Because it already has happened.

Let's look at Rick's own press release from the 2002 MMC. Again, these are RICK'S OWN WORDS:


Kininger and Olney said ORCA’s mission to promote comic books is supported by children and adults with an active imagination. Fans, artists, writers, retailers and publishers will be on site at ORCA’s first Mighty Mini-Con. Admission is very affordable at only $5 dollars for adults, $3 dollars for children. Any child 7 years of age or younger accompanied by an adult paid admission will gain free entry. All monies raised by this event will be evenly split by ORCA and the Mohawk Valley chapter of the Make*A*Wish Foundation. A gala auction is being held, a costume contest (with prizes being awarded), and the first 100 people attending the show will get a bag full of goodies. Refreshments will be available also. A good day of family fun!

Now, let's explore Rick's claim about St Jude Children's Cancer.

http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2011/05/cbg-ad-may-10-2003-mighty-minicon.html

That's Rick's OWN BLOG with the ad HE created! Telling everyone he's doing a charity auction for the proceeds to benefit St Jude's.


Now, you asked us to wait until you provided proof of the delivery of the check. Fair enough. But then I'm asking for a little reciprocity here.


How about asking Rick to provide you with the proof of the delivery of the money to The Mohawk Valley Make-A-Wish Foundation chapter.

How about asking him to provide proof of the money that was collected for St Jude's?

These things should be very easy for Rick to provide, since as you see from his blog he keeps virtually everything when it comes to self-promoting or self-defending. He's got a letter from 1998 from someone who sent him ORCA dues. You're expecting me to believe he wouldn't keep a copy of the thank you letters he would have gotten from St. Jude & Make-A-Wish??

http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2011/05/orca-gave-away-over-huh-what-youre.html

So here's some more facts while you're thinking about that:

Rick photocopied St. Jude's logo and placed it on the programs for one of his cons without permission. Because to use the logo, they require you to pay them a "donation" of $500.00 for use of it. PUBLIC REQUEST: I've lost my copy of the link with the logo he used. Does anyone here still have it?? Ask them:

https://apps.stjude.org/EmailForms/jsp/contact_form.jsp

Why you're at it, contact the Mohawk Valley Chapter of The Make-A-Wish Foundation and ask them. Here's their info:

" "


Want to know why you don't see their information?? Because there is no Mohawk Valley chapter. Never HAS been! THEY DON'T EXIST!

The closest thing to what Rick claims he helped is The Make-A-Wish Foundation of Central New York. But they're based in Syracuse and serve all 15 counties of Central NY.

5005 Campuswood Drive, East Syracuse, NY 13057
Phone: (315) 475-WISH, Toll-free: (800) 846-WISH


So. What I've just done is show you TWO examples that Rick says he's helping a charity and draws the money in. Then it disappears down the rabbit hole.

If you don't believe me, then believe Rick's own words. And ask him to show you. He's always so proud to show off his good deeds.

You understand why I'm asking you to do this, I hope. I'm not trying to be snarky about it. I'm showing you FACTS from Rick Olney himself that he's said all this at least twice before. And we believe he's doing it again.

You came into the thread, basically putting our feet to the fire about how we have an attitude with Rick. I'm asking you to be fair and balanced about it and take that same level of scrutiny and place it on how this must appear to any sane man as a habit of making false claims and broken promises. Not to just the people in this room, but to the charities RICK OLNEY HIMSELF mentioned.

I thank you for your time.

Coppervale Studio
08-26-2011, 02:54 PM
Hi all -

I've been off doing things like writing and drawing books, and so haven't been around the board much. But I did notice his guest list for that show he's trying to organize... and one of his major guests is best friends with one of MY best friends, and guess who just got instructed to google Rick Olney?

Matt Doc Martin
08-26-2011, 03:01 PM
Hi all -

I've been off doing things like writing and drawing books, and so haven't been around the board much. But I did notice his guest list for that show he's trying to organize... and one of his major guests is best friends with one of MY best friends, and guess who just got instructed to google Rick Olney?

Won't matter if he cancels....Olney will insist he is coming.

Coppervale Studio
08-26-2011, 03:06 PM
Won't matter if he cancels....Olney will insist he is coming.Apparently (been trading emails with them) mine isn't (by FAR) the only warning he's gotten since that list came out.

Gail Simone
08-26-2011, 03:51 PM
Hi all -

I've been off doing things like writing and drawing books, and so haven't been around the board much. But I did notice his guest list for that show he's trying to organize... and one of his major guests is best friends with one of MY best friends, and guess who just got instructed to google Rick Olney?

We missed you!

Coppervale Studio
08-26-2011, 04:03 PM
We missed you!

Been getting ahead on things: drawing Book Six and writing Book Seven of the Chronicles of the Imaginarium Geographica, and doing some comics, and speaking at libraries, and all kindsa stuff! All good, though! I keep an eye on things, and I'm here when you need me.

Coppervale Studio
08-26-2011, 04:04 PM
Oh, and that guest I mentioned? Has to get his appearance fee before he gets on a plane. Anyone want to take the odds of THAT actually happening?

Cam63
08-26-2011, 04:06 PM
http://blog.usnavyseals.com/uploads/ns6-300x187.jpg

...Not with this baby, we won't !

*Waves hi to James over sniper scope*

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-26-2011, 07:26 PM
Hilarity. Rick is now saying the con is having a cosplay contest. The winner gets $500, 2nd gets $300 and honourable mention gets $100.

Oh and I'm sure it's obvious to you he stole those rules. He just copy and pasted from Dragon Con Cosplay rules.

http://www.dragoncon.org/cosplay.php

JTPencils
08-26-2011, 08:09 PM
From what Gail said... he doesn't seem to think much of cosplay folk. This is NOT an accusation.. I'm just recalling what Gail said MUCH earlier.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-26-2011, 08:13 PM
Hey Rick. Noticed you removed the Halo kid and the Goku kid and added Spider-Man instead. Smart thinking. They looked a lot creepy next to the sexy adult costumes.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-26-2011, 08:16 PM
From what Gail said... he doesn't seem to think much of cosplay folk. This is NOT an accusation.. I'm just recalling what Gail said MUCH earlier.
I tend to agree with you as that is my memory as well. I'm too tall to find very many costumes that fit and too unskilled to make a costume. So the few times I dress up at cons I do a quick green paint job and go as the Hulk.

THEDOC
08-26-2011, 08:25 PM
He be participating as cosplaying an honest convention organizer.

Outsider
08-26-2011, 08:30 PM
I tend to agree with you as that is my memory as well. I'm too tall to find very many costumes that fit and too unskilled to make a costume. So the few times I dress up at cons I do a quick green paint job and go as the Hulk.

I might be able to cosplay Rosanne Barr ... thank goodness I've never been to a con so I've never needed to find an excuse not to do this.

J.R. LeMar
08-26-2011, 09:03 PM
Howdy Folks! I got a busy weekend full of bathroom and kitchen renovations ahead of me, but I have a few things I'd like to add here before I get offline (I apologize in advance for any typos I may make, as my sleeping pills are slowly kicking in and I'm going to try to hurry to write this all down before it's too late):

First, I mostly agree with MaQ's post about toning it down a bit. But this isn't anything new, as it's been brought up many many many times by many different people since the beginning of the first YABS thread. I know it gets hard sometimes, especially when you see the vile things Olney posts, the natural instinct is to immediately retaliate in kind. But we should try to hold ourselves to a higher standard for the benefit of the new folks we want to reach. And, as I've mentioned before, this even goes for the little things, like referring to him as "pRick", etc. That's just unnecessary, so drop it. And it's true, as it's been pointed out, several experienced professionals have been duped by Olney in the past, so we shouldn't always be too harsh when amateurs and less-experienced pros are likewise duped, so let's just provide them with clear FACTS (http://fookyoutwit.net/category/rick-olney-2/), and let them make up their own minds. Although some of these folks, I shall not name names, who show up here immediately with superior attitudes do baffle me, and seem like they're beyond reason, but you never know.

On that same note, in regards to staying polite, I would also like to request staying on topic, and by that I mean relevant topics. I was looking for a particular bit of Olney history to post here, and had to go through the YABS thread again to find it. I had a general idea of what time frame it took place, but I wasn't exactly sure where it was (& the Olney Archive on the Unscrewed website is significantly incomplete, @ one point it skips from a post in June 2007 to a post in August 2008 and then it stops, but I know Charles RB was still cataloging it up until the end of the 2nd YABS thread, so that info really needs to be updated, if someone still has it), so I had to just keep clicking through pages looking for the post I wanted. Good grief, that takes forever. I mean, sometimes in those early days the thread was filling up 20+ new pages in a single day! And that wouldn't be so bad if it was because people were posting useful information, but there is a crapload of "filler." People go off on other topics (movies, wrestling, etc.) or just joking with each other. @ one point I came across about 5 pages of a back and forth debate over whether or not Will Smith is considered a "legitimate" rapper. Once someone started taking the picture of Melissa Reed in the Rick Olney Sucks t-shirt and started photo-shopping other slogans on the shirt, and each time a new image was posted it seemed the next 10 posts were from people quoting and re-posting the image just to add "That's hilarious!" to it. Just a waste of time. That's why I started doing the specific blogs I posted, because I thought it would be more precise than just telling people to "Google Rick Olney" because if they just come across something like the YABS thread it's so massive that I can see why it would be easy for someone to just dismiss it as "another typical internet flame war" without trying to navigate through it all to see what it's really about. That's why when I posted the WARNING LETTER (http://fookyoutwit.net/2011/07/13/a-warning-to-comics-professionals-about-rick-olney/) on my blog I tweaked it abit, both to add Adirondack ComicFest and Adirondathon to the names of Olney's businesses, and to also add links to the Bleeding Cool articles, instead of to the Unscrewed site, since I figure the BC articles show an easier timeline of Olney's history that folks can read about.

So, please, try to keep the posts her on point. And that also means, as I've said before, there's no need to keep track of every single thing Olney posts. If he blogs about his convention or comic-book plans, or attacks people here, by all means post that, and screen-cap it for posterity, but if he wants to post a review of Captain America, who cares? Ignore that. It's irrelevant to the important matters. And I'd also request that if you hear from someone who says that they had some kind of bad experience with Olney, encourage them to come forward and speak for themselves. If they won't, and don't want you to mention their names, then just don't bring it up @ all, because then it's hearsay. Same goes if you have some info that you can't talk about yet, for whatever reason, then don't bring it up until you can talk about it. I get annoyed when I see folks making cryptic remarks about some "bad news" that someone says Olney will be facing "soon." Just say it if it's true.

Just my 2 cents folks, do what you will.


As for what exactly I was looking for, well, earlier today "THEDOC" quoted Olney's latest blog (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?194906-Rick-Olney-Still-does-not-pay-freelancers-or-anyone-else.&p=8040434&viewfull=1#post8040434):

In 2001, a new event called the Mighty Minicon was began and five somewhat successful gatherings of those were held. The last one being held in 2003-

Wait, the last one was in 2003?!? Isn't he forgetting something?

From JULY 27th 2007 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5065101&postcount=35967)

We just had a Mighty Minicon that primarily involved over 45 attendees for a weekend of camping. The campfire stories mostly revolved about why those attending enjoyed the hobby of reading and collecting comics. Two retailers showed up, but they asked not to be identified publicly for fear of a "Tony Isabella Rant" against their stores or selves. Mr. Isabella has taken it upon himself the mission of ridding the world of Rick Olney. Unfortunately, some of the things that he attributes to Rick do not involve Rick alone. So, yeah, as this 2007 event was a private MMC made up of friends, supporters, and a few people that were curious ... it was, in our opinion, a success. So we're going to do it again next year. Pictures, btw, will be made public once the *new* www.mightyminicon.com website is finished.

This was reiterated by Olney on August 21 2007 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5346267&postcount=37869)

The 2007 MMC was enough of a success that we'll be offering that feature again next year, only pushing the event date back a month or so. It actually turned out nice. I have pictures, but we're holding up on posting them until we drop the *new* MMC website.

Gee, how come he never did post those pictures, or finish that *new* MMC website? Why isn't he bragging about that on his new blogs?

Yeah, I know this lie has been referred to before, but I wanted to revisit his actual words, because I always thought this was the most hilarious, and pathetic, of his claims. Like he really expected anyone to believe that? And, of course, he can't even remember to keep his lies straight. This, and the infamous comicon incident where he started a birthday thread for himself (http://www.comicon.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=280510), three days in advance, and then got increasingly indignant and angry when hardly anyone bothered to wish him a happy birthday and started writing lengthy posts about how this was somehow and indication of what's wrong with the comic-book industry, are the best examples of his sad mental state.

JTPencils
08-26-2011, 10:03 PM
I'm not disagreeing with JR whatsoever (and I'll admit, I've been guilty of calling Olney a name or three, and also by issuing a snarky remark... but that's just me)... I just wanted to toss my thought in here as well... if you're going to quote a lengthy post (and there are some that take a half a page or so)... merely to say "I agree"... or "you bet"... or whatever... please please please edit the quote down. It seems a real waste of having to scroll down the same unedited post over and over again, sometimes ad nauseum... trying to get to the person's comment on it... only to find "quoted for truth" or "same goes for me" or whatever. I mean... it's OK that you liked what the person said... or even have issue with it... but please... brevity. If you're quoting the post in it's entirety to address specifics... quoting and unquoting as you go along... that's understandable... but to just finish with "yeah... so there". It's a bit self defeating.

I think it would also allow for people to navigate the many pages that are here (or even searching for a specific post to discuss) a lot quicker.

I'll get off my soap box now.

Artful Angie
08-27-2011, 01:48 AM
Yeah, I know this lie has been referred to before, but I wanted to revisit his actual words, because I always thought this was the most hilarious, and pathetic, of his claims. Like he really expected anyone to believe that? And, of course, he can't even remember to keep his lies straight. This, and the infamous comicon incident where he started a birthday thread for himself (http://www.comicon.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=280510), three days in advance, and then got increasingly indignant and angry when hardly anyone bothered to wish him a happy birthday and started writing lengthy posts about how this was somehow and indication of what's wrong with the comic-book industry, are the best examples of his sad mental state.

My favorite part of that thread is the irony of Rick's quote:


It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.
--Thomas Sowell, Creators Syndicate

HamsterRage
08-27-2011, 03:33 AM
So Olney is running a new convention and saying he's giving out prizes for costumes... With what money?

If this doesn't make people owed money want to sue Barbara and garnish his wages, I don't know what will.

THE_DAREDIVA
08-27-2011, 03:48 AM
I see now that Olney has changed his website to say the event will benefit some non-specific entities that will help American disabled veterans. He thinks he's being sly now with this. There are organizations that exist to keep the public from being misled in this manner. Thin ice, Mr. Olney. You are treading on it.

HamsterRage
08-27-2011, 07:32 AM
I found some resources for reporting Rick:


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HamsterRage
08-27-2011, 07:47 AM
Oh and I would also add that Matt Busch should be careful and make sure he covers himself. He's an uber talented illustrator and getting caught in Olney's mess sucks for him. I wish him the best.

I would advise him to cross the T's and dot the I's on anything involving the charity donations so that he isn't fucked when it inevitably goes south.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-27-2011, 09:52 AM
Rick Olney on August 26


...and 6 (thus far) newly confirmed guests of note to be shared on November 11th!

Rick Olney on August 27


The Adirondack ComicFest is very pleased to announce that veteran Inker and notedaward-winning portrait artist and illustrator, Josef Rubinstein has confirmed his Guest appearance in November.

http://adirondackcomicfest.blogspot.com/2011/08/november-guest-confirmation-josef.html

So does that mean Joe is not a guest of note or Rick just can't keep his stories straight?

JTPencils
08-27-2011, 10:05 AM
I know Joe a little... we've shared a few friendly emails. But I wouldn't consider myself a real "friend" of his. I'm sure someone here knows him much better... and might want to suggest he Google Olney before he goes any further. I'd hate to see him (Joe) waste his time!

THEDOC
08-27-2011, 11:08 AM
I let Tony knows as I think he might know hm better and I am sure Josef will know his name.

JTPencils
08-27-2011, 11:20 AM
Thanks Doc, I didn't wish to overstep my bounds here. Just didn't want to see anyone waste their time and effort when it's easy to research the subject.

WilRadcliffe
08-27-2011, 11:50 AM
I just sent an email to a friend who knows Mr. Rubinstein warning him about Olney. It's funny, but after I clicked the "send" button, the automatic spell-check popped up and read "Olney" as "baloney". How appropriate.

leftwingnutcase
08-27-2011, 01:20 PM
Whenever Olney logs on, a gap-toothed paperclip with a paunch pops up and says, "Hello! You seem to be composing a nonsensical, bigoted rant. Would you like help making it as grammatically incorrect as possible?"

Shurato2099
08-27-2011, 01:28 PM
Reminds me of a mad AI that a friend used in one of this post-apocalypse RPG campaigns: Clippy, the Demon of the Red Mound.

"Hello! You seem to be composing a suicide note! Would you like some help?"
"No, I'm not. I don't want to commit suicide at all!"
"Give it time."

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-27-2011, 02:57 PM
I am breaking a personal rule I set for myself about what I discuss about my life online. It's a difficult choice, one that will cause me pain and sadness no doubt but I have to say this once, even if it ultimately does no good.

Rick has a new Sequential Blog post about addressing first Wil Radcliffe but then others here.

http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2011/08/wil-radcliffe-said.html
(http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2011/08/wil-radcliffe-said.html)
I was very fortunate to meet, fall in love with and marry a beautiful, wonderful woman. We were very happy and then blessed to have a daughter. A few years later, my wife died and I have had to raise my daughter by myself ever since. It is not easy. I have had to give up many things and change how I lived my life. But my daughter is worth any and all that I must go through.

In less than the last 2 years I have lost my mother, grandmother and aunt. Each to very long and painful sicknesses. I visited my mother in the hospital twice a day, every day for over a year and watched her slowly fade away. My father is in very ill health and may not be around more than a year or two more. I myself have had health issues which kept me offline for nearly a year.

I know loss and I know heartache. I have never once not paid a bill. I have never once tried to get out of a responsibility. I most importantly have never used the losses I have experienced as some kind of get out of jail free card to excuse my actions. They mean too much to me. I love them and miss them with all my heart and to use them as an excuse for any action I take would be untoward and disrespectful.

You had three losses in 2006. Your mom in July, your niece in August and your mother-in-law in October. Each of those a tragic and devastating loss. I feel very sorry for each of them and would pay my respects to all their family members and friends who felt such loss. It has been 5 years now. There is no timetable on grieving. My daughter has my wife's eyes and believe me I still lay in bed at night some times crying because I see so much of her inside my daughter every day. So I get still feeling sad but please, for them, please stop using their deaths in some attempt at sympathy or to excuse your actions.

They were I am sure very wonderful people. They deserve the utmost respect as do any loved ones who pass on before us. The actions you are accused of doing and in some cases have been shown in court to be guilty of happened before their deaths. Any and all problems at your Mighty Mini-Con in 2003 happened before deaths. Please, as someone who has lost just as much as you, as someone who has also lost their mother. Please stop bringing them up in relation to your legal troubles.

You have a life away from this. You have a family that knew and misses them just as much as you do. Talk with them, share with them your sadness and grieve with them in private. Fill your blog with anything and everything else. Tell the world your big plans and how creative you are. Call us dung beetles and miscreants all you want. That only hurts you in the end and it leaves your family to rest in peace.

As I said when I started this, I don't think what I have had to say will help. I don't think anything I have to say will matter in the slightest. But I had to say it. I had to know that I tried. And with that I have used my energy for the day, perhaps few days and take a break for a bit.

Be well

Mike

Tony Isabella
08-27-2011, 02:59 PM
I have contacted Joe. He's responded, but I don't think he's done the Google on Olney yet. He didn't seem to recognize the name, so it's possible Rick is now leaving out that little detail when trying to sign guests.

I'll be posting an Olney warning next week. If you have industry friends, try to make them aware of who Olney is before he contacts them. Make sure you give them the name of Olney's latest imaginary convention as well. Just in case he's trying to hide his involvement.

More later as I am exhausted from the second and final day of my garage sale. It was very successful and the customers went away very happy.

WilRadcliffe
08-27-2011, 03:01 PM
Olney has replied to my earlier post about how I originally thought about defending him on the YABS thread.

Three points.... First, I never made fun of Benny Leal or any of the other people who've associated with Olney (except maybe a remark or two about Dennis, which I regret). Second, if Olney has a contract he claims I signed, I'd like to see it, because it could be proof of forgery. And third, I've already stated publicly that Zue and Ben are completely in agreement with me on the work we did for TOTS. Zue even has a link to the "Lord Percy" pages posted on his Facebook page. So I hope your lawyer has a license to practice law in Portugal, Olney.

And yes, Olney, you are certainly entitled to delete your posts any time you please. I just find it cowardly that you do so. As repugnant, foul, and littered with stupidity as your posts are, you should at least have the spine to let them stand.

Please do re-post and respond to this on your blog. It will only provide more evidence to those researching your con what a liar and coward you are. You will note that I haven't used any cursing or slurs in my posts. Yet you, the organizer of a family friendly event that is supposed to benefit veterans, have used every kind of vile word, image, and innuendo available to one of your limited intellect. Please, continue to display your true colors so that your guests/victims can make informed judgments.

WilRadcliffe
08-27-2011, 03:05 PM
Mike: Thank you for that heartfelt post. I feel for your losses and admire you for your strength and honor.

WilRadcliffe
08-27-2011, 03:33 PM
As for Olney's claims about the timing of the YABS forums, Gail didn't even start the thread until 12-15-2006. I made my first post there 12-31-2006, and it wasn't even about Olney. This was plenty of time for me to see his interactions with Chuck Dixon, Gail, Tony, and others. I think it was when Ronee posted her resignation letter that I started to see things for what they truly were.

And blaming Dave Lanphear for all of your troubles is disingenuous and cowardly. Dave was the only one you could have counted on to fix your mess, if you'd simply been honest with everyone instead of spewing your tired "Check is in the mail" line over and over again. No one blames Dave for this. Everyone blames you, because you're the cheat, coward, and thief who made this mess. Be a man, accept your mistakes, and stop smearing a decent man's good name.

DocAbsurd
08-27-2011, 03:43 PM
Funny... people like Doc Absured are owed small amounts of like $400 dollars, but he only raises the matter to get attention and fit into that dungpile of a thread. Each time I try to pay the man, he never gives the time for the ink to dry or the mailman to deliver it before coming back out publicly to jeer me.You all enjoy the shit rather than the satisfaction of doing anything good.

$450. It's been settled dozens of times with your own acceptance. $450. And if it's such a small amount, then pay me the damned money.

Waiting for the mailman? You contacted me. You blocked me. I left messages on the blog with MY name on it; you deleted then blocked. It's been six years since you were supposed to pay me, then four months since you re-contacted me on FB, and now two weeks since I sent you the precise information you demanded. It takes two weeks for ink to dry? Two weeks for the mailman? I know you're a bit of a slow-mover, but the rest of the world actually does meet timely standards.

And as for 'publicly jeering', here's a novel idea: why not open your brain-damaged blogs for comments. You claim First Amendment rights yet they only seem to apply to your twisted moral values: 'I'll say what I want against anyone I want cuz it's free speech, but y'all are being meanies to me!' I wouldn't have to come here if you'd just grow a pair and quit running away when someone stands against your myopic views.

Saying you're 'try[ing] to pay the man' is not quite the same as actually paying me. And strangely that seems like that action would contain a modicum of satisfaction of doing anything good rather than you enjoying the shit you can sling on your defended-against-the-public blogs.

Cam63
08-27-2011, 03:45 PM
Cheers, Mike.

MacQuarrie
08-27-2011, 03:51 PM
I know Joe a little... we've shared a few friendly emails. But I wouldn't consider myself a real "friend" of his. I'm sure someone here knows him much better... and might want to suggest he Google Olney before he goes any further. I'd hate to see him (Joe) waste his time!
I know Joe slightly from the local cartoonists' society; I gave him a heads-up a couple of weeks ago. He's nobody's fool, he is fully aware of Olney's reputation, and I'm sure he will not do anything unless he receives airfare and any promised appearance fees in advance. We all know that's not going to happen. So please, everybody, don't go bothering him or anyone else that Olney may announce. Give the information and then no further pestering. Answer questions if they ask, or refer them to Tom, Tony, Gail or myself if you like.

Remember, just because a guest is announced, it doesn't necessarily mean they have actually signed anything. They may be "tentative" (they haven't yet said no). So no pitchforks and torches, right?

bert
08-27-2011, 04:01 PM
Hey Alice & Tom Stillwell --

in that post linked above, the idjit is using a picture titled "Cyber-bullies Unite" -- including a bunch of folks who have never posted online about him.

it was taken at CAPE a few years back, and I certainly didn't give him permission to use a picture with me in it for his Blog (and I've sent him an email asking him to take it down).

but you, Tom, and several others are being labeled as a "Cyber-bully". . . isn't it Libel that he posts a picture titled that with some who do not give the least shit about him (including a couple in that pic whom I'm CERTAIN he has no idea who they are, but are beloved Sci-Fi authors).

MacQuarrie
08-27-2011, 04:02 PM
Hey Alice & Tom Stillwell --

in that post linked above, the idjit is using a picture titled "Cyber-bullies Unite" -- including a bunch of folks who have never posted online about him.

it was taken at CAPE a few years back, and I certainly didn't give him permission to a picture with me in it (and I've sent him an email asking him to take it down).

but you, Tom, and several others are being labeled as a "Cyber-bully". . . isn't it Libel that he posts a picture titled that with some who do not give the least shit about him (including a couple in that pic whom I'm CERTAIN he has no idea who they are, but are beloved Sci-Fi authors).
He really does not want to poke Larry. That will not go down well at all.

bert
08-27-2011, 04:08 PM
He really does not want to poke Larry. That will not go down well at all.

I'm gonna see him in just about 4 days. . and I'll be sure to bring it up to him :)

Matt Doc Martin
08-27-2011, 04:12 PM
I'd complain but you can barely see me.

Cam63
08-27-2011, 04:17 PM
You shoulda wore your cow hat.

MacQuarrie
08-27-2011, 04:20 PM
I'd complain but you can barely see me.
The people who have never participated in any of this, but are being labeled as "cyber-bullies" need to complain. Which I'm given to understand is a significant number of those shown.

bert
08-27-2011, 04:23 PM
I count only 6 people in that picture that have EVER posted in a thread about Rick Olney.

(and that's counting myself, and Matt who you can't really see)

MacQuarrie
08-27-2011, 05:06 PM
I've passed the blog to Dave Lanphear (not "Lanphere," just in case Olney is trying to deliberately misdirect anyone who may want to ask Dave about it); I'm sure his version of events is significantly different from Olney's.

MacQuarrie
08-27-2011, 05:07 PM
I've also contacted Koop for a comment on his experiences with Olney, but haven't heard back yet.

JTPencils
08-27-2011, 05:13 PM
So please, everybody, don't go bothering him or anyone else that Olney may announce. Give the information and then no further pestering. Answer questions if they ask, or refer them to Tom, Tony, Gail or myself if you like.

Which is why I only mentioned it... and didn't act on my own. I wouldn't want to be the person receiving a slew of emails all about the same thing like that.

MacQuarrie
08-27-2011, 05:40 PM
Which is why I only mentioned it... and didn't act on my own. I wouldn't want to be the person receiving a slew of emails all about the same thing like that.
Truthfully, the noise-to-signal ratio here can be a problem sometimes. Especially the fact that those of us who make the most noise here are generally people who have never been cheated by Olney, have never worked for him, never gone to any of his events, and really have no horse in the race, as it were.

Yes, the thread does keep the issue on people's radar, and it does keep eyes on Rick's actions, but it also makes it hard to keep the issue focused on the facts. Every once in a while, we need to go back and run down the list of who got ripped off how, and repost their comments on the matter, lest the facts get buried under endless talk of haters and overfilled toilets and vulgar blog posts.

There's no law against being an asshole. Rick is within his rights there. But to libel about a dozen people who have never said a word against him, to flat-out lie about his dealings with Dave Lanphear or Chuck Dixon or Wil Radcliffe or Tim Tobolski or any number of other people, that's not so legal.

KJ!
08-27-2011, 06:13 PM
Screencaps: http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m80/KJ_81/olney0.png

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LOTS of mistruth in there.

I find it amusing that he's labelling it 'libel' about Leal. All I can recall is people saying they didn't like his art. Leal is, of course, a convicted murderer. I assume that's what Olney is talking about? Weird, to say the least.

Gail Simone
08-27-2011, 06:19 PM
I don't care much about the signal to noise ratio, to be honest. It's good reminder that these are real human beings Rick has lied to, cheated, threatened and insulted.

But holy crap, if anyone is reading this blog...trust me, this may be more full of lies than even Rick's NORMAL sack of bullshit.

Not only did I NOT bring up Rick's lying and cheating right away, I didn't mention it to ANYONE but close friends for two solid years. If you've been reading Rick's usual load of please-pity-me horseshit, you will know how often he mentions that...if it was such a big deal, why did I wait so long to go public, is his logic.

I waited because I hated every moment spent talking to Rick, both at the end of the con and in the eighteen months trying to get him to stop bullshitting and pay what he owed me. Finally, I decided dealing with spying scumbag deadbeat lunatic wasn't worth it, and told him to shove the rest of his money up his brag-hole. It was like a weight off my shoulders. go back a few pages on this thread and you will see I saved every single email, you can follow Rick's constant lies yourself, word for word. My story has never changed one iota.

After he started cheating many, many pros with his idiotic vanity publishing concept, then I went public, and it helped...a bunch of people who had been cheated came forward.


He's so full of shit on this stuff...he swore he HAD Chuck Dixon's NDA, another Olney lie. Chuck never signed one, Rick's story changed, and now he's pretending he never said it. Typical Olney move. Hey, Rick! Why was your name so reviled even before your publishing flop and failed cons? Why are you banned at Comicon.com? Why is it the number one promo site for con's has barred any announcement of your conventions (hint, you cheated that site's owner)?

You did all those things on your own, Rick. And you're full of shit that it was two weeks you were late...not to mention the fact that you lied and said everyone had had their payment schedule worked out to mutual satisfaction, when the reality is you had been hiding out for months.

Why is it only YOU have to, of all the con organizers in the world, go on your site every few days to explain why you never paid YET ANOTHER vendor, retailer, venue, or creator? Why is it only you who have had many, many stories at various comics news sites about all the people you've cheated and the cons you've canceled with no notice? Why do you have a terrible reputation among not just comics people but the horror and STAR WARS communities as well?

It's adorable that you think people are stupid enough to believe your bullshit forever. And no one said you caused Caesar's daughter's death, you disgusting liar. We said you insulted him knowing full well his daughter was in the hospital. Which you DID.

And frankly, no one here wishes ill health on anyone. But you REPEATEDLY said you'd been cured, and you're clearly healthy enough to continuously issue bullshit physical threats you'll never have to follow through on.

You're a liar. The great thing is, enough people know that to make sure it's never forgotten.

Gail Simone
08-27-2011, 06:26 PM
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LOTS of mistruth in there.

I find it amusing that he's labelling it 'libel' about Leal. All I can recall is people saying they didn't like his art. Leal is, of course, a convicted murderer. I assume that's what Olney is talking about? Weird, to say the least.

Thanks for grabbing those...

..it's funny, in a way. He took that shot from a group who attended the CAPE event in Dallas.

An AMAZING event run by a GREAT person with a ton of wonderful volunteers.

The contrast is striking.

Artful Angie
08-27-2011, 07:43 PM
Cash Prizes are going to be awarded at 6pm at The Waters Edge Inn in the Conference room, where the guests and staff along with all participants of the First Annual "Imagine Them Contest" are invited for the awards and a few surprise awards.


After, a few of us will be going to dinner, and then might stop back the not that far away Slickers Adirondack Tavern. Directions are in your program booklet.

Anyone interested and planning on participating in this contest is invited to let us know at: adirondathon@gmail.com

Thank you, and we wish you the best if you're competing!

I'm adding this in case it disappears from his blog.

Gail Simone
08-27-2011, 09:21 PM
He was so obnoxious to those poor girls who came to his last con that he shouldn't even be allowed to WITNESS a cosplay contest, let alone sponsor one.

THE_DAREDIVA
08-27-2011, 10:48 PM
Christopher Columbus on a cracker. Look who has been reading this thread!


And let's talk a little bit about Ms. Woodside. I initially contacted her to do a tour of libraries that I was on good terms with through ORCA and the COMICS IN THE CLASSROOM efforts that I created and got many people interested in. I then offered to guest her also at a next Mighty Minicon after 2003. Well, as I have explained 2004 fell through due to the financial troubles of my parents. I did manage a small 2005 small press event. Sparsely attended, but in Utica what does one expect. It was not because of me. You can note Utica's history of one show -- The Uticon -- and see that it was a struggle for the first two originators and the second guy to pick it up and try it, and his name is Bob Elinskas.

[snip an entire paragraph that had nothing to do with me]


But I'd REALLY like to know and hear WHERE Ms. Woodside fits into this all, because she was never contracted for anything. So her chances to promote her DAREDEVIL quilt fell through. She lost no monies due to me. So no sympathy here. Maybe she'd like to post just what her beef originally was? And to label and libel me regarding this recent DAV matter. Oh, well... try explaining that one in court, dear. There was no attempt to cheat anyone by anyone involved. Which, for the record, you have all yet to hear from the smarter people of Adirondathon. They're giving you all enough rope to hang yourselves too. But I can't and won't comment further. The case of online stalking for malicious reasons is proven already.

Wait, now it was your PARENTS with the financial troubles? You told me that you had a heart attack the first time you cancelled, then the second time it was because YOUR bank loan fell through at the last minute. I have no idea what Uticon has to do with me or why you mention this Bob fella.

No, Rick, I never had a contract with you. You contacted ME first, on November 3, 2003, wanting to know if I would make you a quilt with Spider-Man on it. You were lurking on the Stan Lee list, where I first talked of these fan art quilts I had made. You flattered me excessively, and I admit, I fell for it. I had told someone on the Stan Lee board about showing my Daredevil collection and the quilts at my local library, and you told me all about how you gave hundreds of comic books to libraries all over the country, and would love to send my local library a couple of boxes.

Then you started talking about inviting me to your Mighty Mini Con, and kept pressing me for details and a quote for this Spider-Man quilt that you just HAD to have. Then you called me, and kept me on the phone for more than an hour, telling me how you knew Stan Lee personally, and how you were going to invite Frank Miller and Gene Colan to your event, and when I said I'd get a contract ready to send to you for the quilt, you told me that would not be necessary, because I could trust you to pay me, because you were a Marine and us vets have this special bond, or some load of manure like that. I told you I could not start your quilt until I got half down, to pay for the materials, and you promised to send me the money in TWO WEEKS.

I did nothing about the quilt, waiting for your deposit. Of course, I did not get it. You kept on talking about your Mighty Mini Con for a couple of months, then I got this email:


Rick Olney

TO:
Alice Lynch
Message flagged Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:53 AMMessage body
Hi Alice,
And I am still inviting guests and awaiting confirmations from John Romita, Jr, David Mack, and I am trying to invite and confirm Frank Miller.
Have you begun MY Spider-Man/Sinister Six quilt yet? I was kind of hoping you'd have it done and be delivering it for my payment when we get you here at the Mighty Mini-Con (and those couple days before) in June.

What do you need from me yet? Thanks for the Daredevil update. I have saved the photos and will be 'plugging' irt on the website and around at the various message boards I frequent. In fact, it'll all be in one of my next two online columns at herorealm.com and comicstack.com
Lastly, please change your EMAIL ADDRESS of record for me to: orcafresh@att.net
I'm channeling ALL convention matters to that address. Thanks!

No, I hadn't begun your quilt, because I'd never gotten the money for the materials, but you wanted me to do it and bring it with me when I came to your con. You promised me airfare, hotel, meals, and transportation in New York State.

A month later, I get this email:


FROM:
orcafresh@att.net

TO:
Alice Lynch
Message flagged Sunday, March 14, 2004 8:45 AMMessage body
Hi Alice,
Superb! Thank you for the link! I'll be emailing and talking with Dennis Kininger this week to begin setting your library visit(s) here.

I missed the last SPA chat, but I'll be at the next one. I order the mugs/coffee cups Monday, so maaybe you and the others can look forward to that.

Funny you should mention my quilt... I actually bought a copy of Spider-Man annual #1 from 1964 while at MegaCon. It was one of the original comics bought for me by my Uncle Bill, and that gave me inspiration to found and guide ORCA over the last 11 years. You'll never know how special that quilt is going to be to me, Alice.

The DD quilt is coming along beautifully!!

Regards,
--Rick

The coffee mugs were something you promised to everyone who showed up at the SPA chat one night. We didn't ask for them, you told us you would send one to us. Surprise! That never happened either. Not that it mattered to me. I don't even drink coffee.

By now, it's April. I only see you post a little on a message board. Nothing about paying me for the quilt supplies, nothing further about my airfare.

Then suddenly:


FROM:
Rick Olney of TightLip Entertainment

TO:
Allison Wunderland
Message flagged Monday, May 10, 2004 3:47 PMMessage body
Hi,

Due to unavoidable circumstances connected to health reasons on the part of the
convention organizer, the Mighty Mini-Con originally scheduled for June 5th &
6th has been postponed at this time until October 23-24, 2004.

TightLip Entertainment regrets any inconvenience that this may have caused. I
invite and welcome your further contact via email should you have further
questions or concerns. Obviously, we hope you'll be able to join us in October.
Further news will be posted on the MMC community boards. Thank you.



--
Sincerely,
--Rick

This is barely 3 weeks before the June convention date

THE_DAREDIVA
08-27-2011, 11:25 PM
So then, a quickly recovered Olney sends out this "news release"


Rick Olney of TightLip Entertainment

TO:
jencomx3@aol.com

Message flagged Sunday, July 4, 2004 11:27 AMMessage body
TightLip Entertainment Adds Notables to Guest Roster for October MMC/Spooky


Contact: Rick Olney

315/866-5983

rick@mightyminicon.com

www.mightyminicon.com
<http://www.mightyminicon.com/>

SYRACUSE, NY - July 4, 2004

Just Added to the MMC/Spooky's Guest List:

Noel Neill - "Lois Lane" of The Adventures of Superman, totaling 78 episodes, and 30 movie serials will be here to share her fond remembrances and appearances. Miss Neill will also have copies of her biography, "Truth, Justice, & the American Way," by attending Colorado author Larry Thomas Ward, who is also a guest on the convention.

Basil Gogos - During the heyday of the vingage era fright-film, [Mr. Gogos] excelled in painting monster portraits... from book and magazine covers like Famous Monsters of Filmland, Creepy and Erie, to editorials, movie and theater posters, to portraits, murals and even ad agency work. Mr. Gogos is appearing in conjunction with J. David Spurlock and Vanguard Publishing. Vanguard is well known for its quality line of art books.

Ari Lehman - The original "Jason Voorhees" who had the feature role in FRIDAY THE !13TH will be our guest. These days, Ari has his own World Rock band, ARI BEN MOSES BAND, made up of the best artists he's met on the professional World Music circuit.

Warrington Gillette - Warrington made horror film history with his portrayal of Jason in FRIDAY THE 13th #2. He is also making a movie called "Bloody Social". It is a movie that fans can become involved with -production wise. Keep checking the site for updates on the Bloody Social website: www.jason2kills.com

Jason Henderson - Publisher of five novels and two best-selling computer games. He's currently the writer on a slew of modern horror and adventure comics-- the commandos-versus-vampires comic SWORD OF DRACULA (Image), the witchcraft romance SYLVIA FAUST (Image), the ghostly horror mystery SOULCATCHER (Moonstone) and the upcoming manga PSY-COMM from Tokyopop.

Robyn Griggs - Actor & movie starlet has joined the guest lineup for October! Come meet this excitingly charming star of leading roles on the daytime soaps. She played Stephanie Hobart (Carlos niece/ first one to murder him) on ONE LIFE TO LIVE ABC and the rebellious teen Maggie Cory on ANOTHER WORLD NBC. Robyn also has an impressive and growing list of horror film credits to include her being one of the leads in THE DEMONS 5 starring Robert Englund.

Weve got several new Comic book creative guests to include: Hilary Barta, Joe Staton, Josh Howard, Drew Edwards, Tom DeFalco, Sal Buscema, Ron Frenz, Dick & Lindy Ayers, Matt Smith, Randy Elliot, Ben Dunn, and many more. Visit and join the community forums at: www.mightyminicon.com for comics, talk, and camraderie.

We proudly introduce Ms. Jamie Deadly to the world of upstate adult horror entertainment. A burlesque performance by Ms. Jamie Deadly is scheduled for Saturday. See more of Ms. Deadly at: http://www.deadlycurves.com/

Many stars and artists will converge on the steps of Syracuse's Onondaga
County Convention Center October 23rd to October 24th, 2004, for the fourth annual MMC and first ever THE SPOOKY conjoined for this year alone!
Don't miss the experience.

With more than 34,000 square feet of exhibit space featuring publishers, art studios, comic book creators, dealers, and other attractions, Mighty Mini-Con is marking its spot for becoming known as a MIGHTY marketplace for comics, toys, anime, games and collectibles.

MCC/SPOOKY 2004 will also a Japanese Animation screening(to be later announced), film festivals, an outstanding costume contest, dance event and OPEN TO THE PUBLIC music Karioke contest on Friday night, October 22nd. You can also partake in the Junior Scream Queen contest and be treated to several surprise appearances.

ATTENTION: For the gamers, MMC/Spooky is currently seeking a company/retailer interested in offering a RPG's and gaming tracks run by SunQuestä Games and Unity Entertainment. Anyone with interest and connections the following tracks is invited to contact me asap: To name a few, tracks being sought include: YuGiOh US National Championship, Warhammer, Magic The Gathering, Dungeons & Dragons, Pokemon, and DBZ.

MMC/Spooky proudly hosts its yearly charitable ST JUDE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL auction on Saturday evening from 7-9pm. We've gathered a number of rare and one-of-a-kind comic book art and memorabilia to help provide financial assistance for children being aided by the St Jude Hospital.

Mighty Mini-Con (http://www.mightyminicon.com) is an annual celebration of modern
popular culture that attracts figures from the worlds of film, television,
science fiction, fantasy, comic books, animation, role-playing games and
others taking place during the first weekend in June. Yes, that's right in 2005 we go nose-to-nose with WizardWorld Philly. Only YOU can decide if we're up for the challenge!

The Spooky (http://www.thespookyny.com) is an annual celebration of horror and all things that go bump in the night. Taking place in October during the third weekend of each year, this event promises you a horrorgasm of the highest order.
###

Please notice two things: that Olney was soliciting for St. Jude, and that he was claiming this to be an event to rival Wizard World, saying all these name brand people had been signed for the con.

I got a couple of emails back and forth, talking about this quilt still, and then suddenly in October comes an email


From Rick Olney on the MMC website:

The scheduled October 22nd & 23rd MMC/Spooky has been canceled. "I had a
bank appointment last Friday (10/1) to secure the final financing needed to
secure and add the important finishing touches to the MMC/Spooky and heard
yesterday that the application was turned down. That was the one thing I
never really expected." said Rick Olney of TightLip Entertainment. Olney,
having hopes of making a 2004 event in Syracuse a reality, also previously
rescheduled an earlier June event due to unavoidable health problems. Olney
further added, "I, and everyone at TightLip Entertainment, offer our
apologies for the inconvenience caused anyone due this matter."

Right there, in his own words...the bank loan fell through. Not his parent's loan. Unless he failed to mention that he was trying to get a cosigner, but who cares.

Next day, an email to me from Rick. The big question: is my quilt done? I still had no materials payment for it, so I'd done nothing toward it.


Sent From Mighty Mini Con Forum by admin

Hide Details
FROM:
rick@mightyminicon.com

TO:
awlrite4now@yahoo.com
Message flagged Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:02 AMMessage body
Hello Alice

You received the following message from: admin (rick@mightyminicon.com)

At: http://www.mightyminicon.com/forum/

Hi Alice,

First, allow me to apologize for needing to cancel my 2004 convention plans. I'm still in the convention business despite all that happened in 2004 and, setting aside real life more important things wasn't (regarding my parents) something I could do. The banking snafu in obtaining the closing 4k in funding wasn't expected and with all else happening I just couldn't recoupe quick enough. So I pulled the plug. I hope you understand.

Where do we stand on my Spidey quilt?
I'd like to arrange a weekend with you bringing your quilting in March on the weekend of the 12th. Are you available that weekend? And, if so, would my quilt be completed by then? I can send you the $500 asap. But it most likely would be late January. What do you say?

How's life treating you anyway? I'm still getting books from your list together. Just so you know. Hope you are doing okay. 2004 beat the heck outta me.

Regards,
--Rick

You can guess the rest. He didn't pay any money, I didn't make any quilt. This is my dealing with Rick Olney. I didn't get cheated by him because I didn't do anything without a down payment. But I did get promised things (see also that line about "your books"? Those were old Daredevil issues he said he would give me.) like airfare, hotel, meals, a wonderful time in upstate New York and a chance to meet some famous DD writers. That last part should have been the tip off to me that he was full of baloney.

Olney contacted ME. He promised me the world, and delivered nothing. He has the nerve to call me out on his blog about what's my problem. That's the problem. You lied to me, Rick. Just like you lied to everyone else.

That is why, when I saw that you were doing it AGAIN, to other people, sucking them in with your grandiose promises, I couldn't just sit still. The tipping point was when you used the name of the Disabled American Veterans, an organization of which I have been a life member since 1991, as part of your latest campaign. St. Jude never heard of you, yet you claim to have raised funds for them. I couldn't just let that pass. Had you actually contacted the DAV and made arrangements with them to raise funds, I would have not said anything. But I knew from your past track record that you probably hadn't. That is why I called the DAV myself, and asked the fundraising people if you had contacted them. That answer came back in a copy of the same cease and desist email that you got, Rick.

I asked Matt Busch about his involvement, because I didn't want a talented guy like him to get sucked into your vortex. I even suggested to him a way to make certain funds from his maps went directly to the DAV in a satisfactory manner. What he chooses to do at this point is his decision. I hope he finds a suitable answer.

You have nothing to sue me for, Rick. All I've done is protect the interests of an organization that has done a lot for me and other veterans over the years. I cannot sully your reputation. You've done that yourself.

Flamebird
08-27-2011, 11:59 PM
Hey Alice & Tom Stillwell --

in that post linked above, the idjit is using a picture titled "Cyber-bullies Unite" -- including a bunch of folks who have never posted online about him.

it was taken at CAPE a few years back, and I certainly didn't give him permission to use a picture with me in it for his Blog (and I've sent him an email asking him to take it down).

but you, Tom, and several others are being labeled as a "Cyber-bully". . . isn't it Libel that he posts a picture titled that with some who do not give the least shit about him (including a couple in that pic whom I'm CERTAIN he has no idea who they are, but are beloved Sci-Fi authors).
I don't think that all of us spent even 5 minutes talking about him.
We were having too much fun at a real convention to waste the time.
I do still have my happy meal things from Matt, though. ;)

Gail Simone
08-28-2011, 07:17 AM
CAPE was awesome....Richard Neal, of Zeus Comics, and CAPE, were everything Rick could never be.

A great, fun, classy community event that brought huge crowds every year they did it. Tons of volunteers who showed incredible love and loyalty to the organizers. Every promise kept and surpassed, and everyone who attended left smiling with memories, GOOD memories, to last forever.

Richard didn't have to insult and threaten all the people who attended. He didn't have to make excuses for years about why guests and vendors weren't reimbursed. Every guest who went would be thrilled to go again, and we all recommended it heartily to our friends, and word spread like wildfire what a great event it was. It was imaginative, fun, original, and a smashing success each year with people from all over coming to attend.
And we all would do anything for Richard even all these years later.

That's what a real event organizer does, Rick. He doesn't HAVE to bribe guests to trick their friends into attending. The guests actually WANT to attend. He doesn't HAVE to threaten guests to force them to attend when they don't want to. He doesn't HAVE to be a dishonest scumbag and leave the names up of pros who have canceled, deliberately lying to attendees. He doesn't HAVE to go on his site every few days with a new set of lies about his massive history of non-payment. He doesn't HAVE to constantly admit he lied about the con's legal status. He doesn't HAVE to keep changing his story about the "charity" his con will supposedly benefit.

You will never be that guy, Rick. You'll always be the deadbeat braggart loudmouth who never, ever keeps his word, and has to find NEW people to hustle each time because no name pro will ever go to one of your events twice.

Gail Simone
08-28-2011, 07:22 AM
And I can't believe after all the disgusting homophobic comments, he has the temerity to use the, "some of my friends are gay," bullshit.

I thought people stopped tring that dodge in the '60's.

Gross.

If you actually ARE gay, or have a friend or loved one who is lgbtq, keep in mind that this con is organized by a gleeful, unabashed homophobe who thinks gay slurs are perfectly acceptable. I've boycotted events for much less.

But maybe you're fine with that.

KJ!
08-28-2011, 08:01 AM
A million KJbucks to anyone who understands Olney's opening post from the Comicon Archives, copied below: http://comicon.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=450942#Post450942

==============================
We Need to CHANGE the way we do things!
RICK Offline
Member

Registered: 05/03/99
Posts: 1805
Loc: Whitesboro, New York, USA
Yeah, you might be sick of reading about Organized Readers of Comics Associated.

It is no wonder this hobby and business has not been able to break the barriers that were set in place to keep creative freedom from reaching a wider audience.

The fractures that are constantly keeping people from leaving one kind of comic book for another kind of comic book are better supported by the unknowing than the worthwhile efforts of those that would PLACE that comic book in the hands of new readers.

I'm aware that the conversations take place between the differing pockets of participants in power. It is those people that are the problem. They are the unknowing. I say, "Eradicate them! The sooner they're gone...the sooner those of us that want to see real progressive changes accomplished can get on with our jobs!"

Rick Olney
Founder/Director
Organized Readers of Comics Associated

Louis L'Amour - From "The Walking Drum":
"Many a small man is considered good while he remains small, bt let power come to him, and he becomes a raging fury."
_________________________
Rick Olney
Organized Readers of Comics Associated
http://www.ORCAfresh.net
orca@eGroups.com
==================================================

THEDOC
08-28-2011, 08:48 AM
It's means if you don't listen and agree with him, you're a schlub.

Artful Angie
08-28-2011, 09:05 AM
I was in Cloud City Comics yesterday (Sorry we missed you, Jeff! Hope you're feeling better!), And Mike Raicht was in signing stuff. We had stopped there hours after he was supposed to finish, but was having so much fun he decided to stick around.

I won't go into the details of our conversation without his permission, but will say I asked if he was aware of Olney's latest scam attempt, and he said he was.


But I do want to promote the con whose flyer I was given while there.

HERO BOT CON 2011

Saturday, October 8th

11AM-6:30PM

Elmira Elks Lodge, 300 E. Gray St Elmira, NY

According to the flyer, there's only 5 scheduled guests. And to be honest, I've only heard of one, "Mighty Avengers" artist Khoi Pham.

Here's the others:

Tedd Arnold- Fly Guy, Green Wilma creator, Theodore Suess Geisel award winner
Ken Wheaton- Simpsons Comics, Popeye Inker
Aaron Kuder- Armory Wars, Key of Z artist
Andy Wales- Eclectic Comics creator

(No BS about who they've invited, just to make themselves sound better. Ooh, "I'm waiting to hear back from Frank Miller, who I've invited." Oh, Ricky you're so important with who you've invited. I can invite Frank Miller to my nephew's Bar Mitzvah, it don't mean he's showing up. But do us a favor and hold your breath while you're waiting to hear back from him, 'kay??)


Admission is 1 canned food item, to be donated to Foodbank Of The Southern Tier

www.foodbankst.org

www.herobotcon.com

See, Rick. Not looking for money they don't have to report to anyone. They are taking food item donations and giving them to an ACTUAL charity. One which isn't so big they'd hope they would be able to escape scrutiny. And they include a direct link to the charity's website, which is more than you've ever done.

More importantly, their charity is REAL!! Not a fake one, like your "Mohawk Valley chapter of Make-A-Wish Foundation" which NEVER EXISTED!!

I hope Central NY comic fans who want to see what a REAL small comics convention looks and feels like gives Hero Bot Con a try.

I WILL BE THERE, RICK.

WILL YOU???

Tony Isabella
08-28-2011, 09:27 AM
Garage Con 2011, my glorified garage sale, was a tremendous success. You can read about it here:

http://tonyisabella.blogspot.com/

Monday's blog features some reviews from a recent issue of Comics Buyer's Guide.

Tuesday's blog? Let's just say it will be of interest to the participants of this threat.

I generally post each day's blog before 6 am. Let's see how long it takes for some impotent coward to start making the usual threats against me.

SarahBeach
08-28-2011, 09:45 AM
So I went over to his blog to check out the latest, because of the comments made of it here. I find this paragraph --


I was then told by Mr. Lanphere that Chuck Dixon claimed he never had a contract. Dixon lambasted me through other means. Places like his private message board and Sarah Beach. So I took my initial online replies there and also joined in the YABS thread a little. Certainly, things got out of hand ... but by that Christmas, I had still not gotten anything from Mr. Lanphere except that people wanted to be paid. It made no sense for me to retain him. So he was released from his work-for-hire contract.

First off: I'm a place?? Really? And Chuck's message board is hardly "private" - it's merely "personal" (ie, hosted on his own website account, rather than a forum on a news site like CBR, or a larger forum community like Jinxworld).

BUT.... as I recall, Chuck actually DID have a contract duely signed, which specified the payment schedule to him and his art team. The thing he never signed was the silly, unenforcable DNA declaration - which was not intigrated into the contract, but was rather a separate document. Olney's memory is highly adaptable, and he has obviously conflated two different things, because it suits him better. Something he wanted signed didn't get signed, so it must have been the contract. What I find hilarious is that he seems to think anyone would believe that a professional of Chuck's experience would bother to confirm to Rich Johnston that he had not been paid for work if there was NO enforcible contract at all. Chuck at least understands business.

Here's my pocket remembrance of things.

The first time I ever heard Olney's name was when Rich Johnston posted about the non-payment in "Lying in the Gutters". When Rich contacted Chuck on Chuck's board, it was to make sure that the emails he had received were indeed FROM Chuck. Rich and Chuck did not mention at that time who it was about. So it was only when I read the story that I learned this name.

Rick got all huffy and defensive to Rich, which brought in Tim Tobolski's name (another name I'd not encountered before), in a response to Rich which Rich included in his update of the story about the non-payment.

Rick then showed up posted in his own name on Dixonverse, defending himself. Initially with his "makee-nicee" act. Behind the scenes, I, Chuck and my fellow moderators discussed banning him after three days, because he had digressed very fast, and it was annoying. Chuck wanted to boot him (we rarely ban anyone), but I suggested letting him continue to post for a while, since at that time Chuck's board had a high lurker readership. I said letting him expose himself would be good as a cautionary warning to people. It during this time that Gail joined the discussions on Dixonverse (although she already had a habit of popping in occasionally - she was considered part of the Dverse community, even though she posted infrequently), and mentioned her previous experience dealing with him.

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO STATE: prior to Rick coming onto Dixonverse and then obnoxiously puffing himself off and threatening Dverse regulars (mainly because they weren't inclined to give him the deference he deemed his due), Gail so far as I know, had never said anything publicly about her experience in dealing with him. He proceeded to rip into her, and the was thunder and lightning on the Dverse, which had a branched threads form at the time. Which meant that when someone responded to an email notification of a response to their post, they could answer from email. This was a nightmare for me as moderator, because a ruling I made in one branch of the discussion might get overlooked for some time as participants responded to something elsewhere in the tree. And moderating that in real time was ... an Olympic event. I do not fault Gail for this, she'd obviously kept quiet about this garbage for a long time (this was early December 2006).

But there came a day when I spent a lot of time REAL TIME deleting some truly offensive posts from Olney (while on the phone with Chuck, because I was so furious -- it amused him greatly, because he could be a spectator). We banned him [that is, Rick, just to be clear] finally. I had one of my co-moderators COPY everything he had posted, for a record of his behavior. And then we deleted some more. The cache was limited at that time, and we just didn't want that cluttering the board.

Shortly after all that, Gail started the epic YABS thread.

When Rick talks about "professionalism" but then also plays puzzled and confused about why anyone would be upset about the failure to meet contracted deadlines for payment, he becomes very tiresome. These are NOT casual agreements, Rick, and "Oh, please tell the guys I can't pay them this week, but I'll get it to them soon," is NOT professional business behavior. Rick, YOU contracted to pay Chuck within a specific time of completion of the work. By the time he confirmed to Rich Johnston the status of things, YOU WERE ABOUT THREE MONTHS beyond the date when you would be at fault for non-payment. And YOU had done nothing to address the matter, except make vague noises about "All you guys are picking on me."

I got involved in the YABS thread because I had been so offended by your attitude and how you treated people that it became a cause with me, to never let you cheat another writer or artist. Chuck took care of his art teams in the end (out of his own pocket - he had hired some Argentinian artists and knew the bucks meant a lot to them). And then he pretty much washed his hands of you, Rick. If you ever got/get around to paying him, fine. If not, you are dust he has shaken off his sandals.

But he was not impressed with how you treated Dave Lanphear, someone Chuck happens to respect and like. "Let go from his work-for-hire contract" does not describe what you did. And since when is the Creative Director of a company a "work-for-hire" employee? Likewise for Ronee.

The truth is, Rick, you know crap-all about how to conduct yourself professionally as a businessman.

Tony Isabella
08-28-2011, 09:53 AM
BTW, when Gail mentioned that another article on Olney is in the works, she wasn't talking about my blog. She won't even know I'm writing about him until she next visits here.

I also don't know who's writing the article Gail mentioned, but I know I want to read it.

leftwingnutcase
08-28-2011, 11:23 AM
Cash Prizes are going to be awarded at 6pm at The Waters Edge Inn in the Conference room, where the guests and staff along with all participants of the First Annual "Imagine Them Contest" are invited for the awards and a few surprise awards.
After, a few of us will be going to dinner, and then might stop back the not that far away Slickers Adirondack Tavern. Directions are in your program booklet.

Okay, so we know he hasn't booked the rec center in Old Forge, but can someone please check with the venues above? Thanks!

Shurato2099
08-28-2011, 11:28 AM
http://watersedgeinn.com/

Actually not a bad looking hotel ... probably a bit on the pricey side for function space.

Artful Angie
08-28-2011, 11:38 AM
Okay, so we know he hasn't booked the rec center in Old Forge, but can someone please check with the venues above? Thanks!

Time, Left. Give it time.

THEDOC
08-28-2011, 01:00 PM
Thanks Doc, I didn't wish to overstep my bounds here. Just didn't want to see anyone waste their time and effort when it's easy to research the subject.

No Problem, JT, Tony was more than happy to let Josef know. Hopefully Josef will look into RO and cancel out.

THEDOC
08-28-2011, 01:05 PM
Was looking at different articles about RO and found one about Freedom 3 from 2006 and thought this was rather funny:


Rick Olney and TightLip Entertainment have taken the traditional theme of Golden Age comics and brought it to the forefront of modern comics. Throughout the Golden Age the enemies of America were the enemies of the the super heroes. In Freedom 3 Rik Olney brings this idea back, and in something that seems to be becoming more and more popular with heroes, sends them after Osama bin Laden.

Newsarama: Let's get right into your team of heroes - who are the members?

Rick Olney: Freedom 3 is actually comprised of the 3 main characters Eagle, Globe, and Anchor. They have a support team and a place where Congress and the present President and his White House administration has assigned them to live.

NRAMA: What are their powers?

RO: Globe, powered by terra firma, Eagle, a winged telepath, and Anchor, a fiery fem with a touch too much heat, makes up the trio of freedom fighters. In issues #1-#3 ... the members of Freedom 3 get handed an assignment no Marine would refuse; to hunt down and capture Osama bin Laden!

NRAMA: In Freedom 3, they are both super heroes and Marines?

RO: Rather than tag them as having "super" powers... I identify them as Marines with special needs. First and foremost, they're American military serving their country under the United States Constitution.



Does he even know what that term means? Such a great writer.

leftwingnutcase
08-28-2011, 01:34 PM
Rick, you moron.

MacQuarrie
08-28-2011, 01:37 PM
Okay, so we know he hasn't booked the rec center in Old Forge, but can someone please check with the venues above? Thanks!
Someone called the Water's Edge Inn; the conference room IS reserved on Nov. 13 @ 6pm. Although, interestingly, it's not reserved under "Adirondathon", it's under "Olney Enterprises".

leftwingnutcase
08-28-2011, 01:41 PM
Even more misrepresentation. Were they apprised of the fact that Olney has a history of nonpayment? Better yet, get a letter from Herkimer County Community College telling of their experience with RO. If the Inn has proof, they'll take the call seriously.

Jim Ritchey
08-28-2011, 02:41 PM
Was looking at different articles about RO and found one about Freedom 3 from 2006 and thought this was rather funny:
Does he even know what that term means? Such a great writer.

Maybe when he was a Marine, some superior said he had 'special needs', and he thought it meant he was special--a Super-Marine! :D

Tony Isabella
08-28-2011, 02:57 PM
One conference room is reserved for 6 pm on one night of the alleged convention? Where is he planning to hold the rest of the convention?

Someone should research "Olney Enterprises" to see if such a company actually exists.

Tom Stillwell
08-28-2011, 04:23 PM
One conference room is reserved for 6 pm on one night of the alleged convention? Where is he planning to hold the rest of the convention?

Someone should research "Olney Enterprises" to see if such a company actually exists.

The only company registered under Richard Olney is Tightlip. I suppose it's possible he registered it under another name. I will check on Monday.

J.R. LeMar
08-28-2011, 04:38 PM
Rick, you moron. YOU are an emotional, financial, and legal TERRORIST. America needs protecting from the likes of YOU.

Too far. Please go back a few pages and read Maq's post that suggests that folks here should try to tone it down a bit when it comes to things like insults. This type of language doesn't help.


Even more misrepresentation. Were they apprised of the fact that Olney has a history of nonpayment? Better yet, get a letter from Herkimer County Community College telling of their experience with RO. If the Inn has proof, they'll take the call seriously.

I don't recommend anyone follow this suggestion. Trying to call up the Inn to "warn" them about Olney does reek of lynch-mob mentality. According to the Inn's website, all reservations require a deposit of the first day, and then you've got until 5 days before the event to cancel in order to get your deposit back (-$5 fee) or else you forfeit all of it.


One conference room is reserved for 6 pm on one night of the alleged convention? Where is he planning to hold the rest of the convention?

Last time I checked, the event was still advertised as being held at the George T. Hiltebrant Recreation Center on Nov. 11-13 from 10am-5pm, although they have no record of it. The latest post said that the award ceremony for the Cosplay contest is in the conference room of this other Inn on Nov. 13 at 6pm.

leftwingnutcase
08-28-2011, 04:56 PM
Even more misrepresentation. Were they apprised of the fact that Olney has a history of nonpayment? Better yet, get a letter from Herkimer County Community College telling of their experience with RO. If the Inn has proof, they'll take the call seriously.

Sorry, just getting ahead of myself. I. Hate. BULLIES!

leftwingnutcase
08-28-2011, 05:44 PM
Too far. Please go back a few pages and read Maq's post that suggests that folks here should try to tone it down a bit when it comes to things like insults. This type of language doesn't help.

You're right. Rick Olney, I'm sorry I called you a terrorist. You do lie, cheat and defraud, but I think that you just don't know any other way by now. Believe it or not, I think there is a good person in you aching to be let out. Whether that will happen is up to you, Rick Olney.

MacQuarrie
08-28-2011, 07:01 PM
Even more misrepresentation. Were they apprised of the fact that Olney has a history of nonpayment? Better yet, get a letter from Herkimer County Community College telling of their experience with RO. If the Inn has proof, they'll take the call seriously.
As far as I'm concerned, my only interest is the artists, especially unknown talent that would lack the resources to seek restitution. The hotel and conference center should know how to take care of themselves. I have zero interest in preventing him from throwing a convention, only with preventing him from ripping off people in the industry. I WANT him to put on his convention, attract no customers and fail all by himself, as long as the artists don't have to bear the brunt of it.

If he put down a deposit on the conference center, that means he is really deluded enough to think he can pull this off. Let him. Let him fall right on his ferret face. The hotel is not going to buy his line of BS. They have plenty of legal recourse to collect from him. Let's look out for the people UNSCREWED was formed to look out for.

MacQuarrie
08-28-2011, 07:15 PM
You're right. Rick Olney, I'm sorry I called you a terrorist. You do lie, cheat and defraud, but I think that you just don't know any other way by now. Believe it or not, I think there is a good person in you aching to be let out. Whether that will happen is up to you, Rick Olney.
That's the thing. Olney really thinks he can be a convention promoter and publisher. He has squandered a lot of money trying to do so, but he refuses to look at a few simple facts....

He won't bother to learn what the realistic expenses are and come up with a plan that fits his actual, for-real budget.
He thinks there are short-cuts and angles he can work, like paying people out of the profits at the end, which would work if (a) he were realistic about those profits and (b) the people involved agreed to it up front.
He is too paranoid to trust anyone to work as his partner, so he will be forever sabotaging himself.
His ego is too inflated and too sensitive to ever allow him to share credit with anyone, no matter how much they deserve it.
He is an opportunist who will exploit anything and will always resort to a lie as an immediate solution to any problem, thereby ensuring that he always has a massive backlog of crises to deal with and a solid inventory of damaged relationships, so he has nobody to back him up.
His psychological baggage, as demonstrated amply over the last 15 years or so online, pretty much guaranteed his continual and inevitable failure.

He really doesn't start these things up intending to rip people off; he really thinks he's going to raise money for veterans and put on a big event and be a hero and get praise, but at every single point along the way, he will take a shortcut, go for a quick-but-unethical solution to a small problem, alienate people, underestimate costs, grossly overestimate revenue, and at the end will not have the money that he promised to pay out. He will borrow from somebody to put up whatever fees are needed, and then will be "forced" to use the money from the poster sales to cover that, and then the Veterans will get an IOU. He won't mean to do that, but it's what will happen, because Olney is not half as clever as he thinks he is, and his understanding of the industry he wants to be a kingpin in is perfunctory at best.

If he just dealt straight with people, was honest and up-front about his plans and resources, and wasn't addicted to the smell of bridge-smoke, he probably could have been a success. His is one of the saddest cases of willful self-destruction I've ever seen.

Matt Busch
08-28-2011, 07:32 PM
Wow, I evacuated from one hurricane only to come back to a bigger one. (In all seriousness, I hope this finds all of you well, and are safe with your families.)

I'm pretty insulted at the way I'm being talked about.

I don't have the time at the moment to respond individually to everyone, but I'd like to soon. I have several jobs and deadlines I'm in the middle of, plus some personal things that need attention (no- not looking for sympathy- they're *good* personal things.)

I'm looking into the best way to handle all of this. I am not the sole party in this contract, so I'm not at liberty to just change this at whim like some of you are suggesting. I'm interested in finding a way to make this work ROCK SOLID, while some of you here are only interested in bringing anything with Rick Olney's name on it to the ground. I'm not fighting for Rick, but I would like to see this project I've worked so hard on benefit veterans.

I have no beef with any of you. Certainly not with DareDiva, who some of you keep saying I'm accusing of sabotaging this. Not so.

But I gotta say, MacQuarrie has it right. To an outsider, to say that this board feels like a mob is an understatement. I've been judged for things no one here knows anything about (with me and my contract I've been authorized to work with, not with Rick) and insulted for things that have nothing to do with the integrity this project. I've been threatened to have my name tarnished to charities, companies I work for, people who admire my work, and the general public. Why do you think I'm so defensive? This doesn't feel like help, this feels like harassment.

As for my YouTube Channel, I have the right to delete any comments for any reason I feel necessary. That said, I have only deleted comments that I felt were harsh, confrontational, or didn't come across as professional when inquiring about my own professionalism. I have nothing to hide, and therefore, any comments regarding this that didn't read as drama-induced or confrontational were left for all to see. (By the way, some of his comments that I deleted have not been shared here. I assume that is done on purpose to make my responses not add up. Funny to cause a stink over me deleting comments on my own page when one is selective about which comments they share here with the rest of class.)

Most of what I deleted were from an individual who here on this board has called me names, judged me for things that have nothing to do with this or situations that haven't even happened, threatened me, and made fun of my physical appearance. I decided to ban this person from being able to leave further comments on my channel. Can you blame me?

I'm hoping to lock down a plan at some point this week. Not just with how *I* want to proceed, but with approval of all parties involved. I'd like to have it done sooner, like yesterday, but I don't have that kind of power.

For those of you who continue to offer constructive criticism, and are looking for a positive way to make this work, thank you. I appreciate your help, and with it, I hope this will result in a way you can be proud you helped secure.

I've had probably 7 hours sleep total in the past 4 days, so I apologize if I sound tired. Going to bed now!

Matt

Gail Simone
08-28-2011, 07:43 PM
What a crock of shit, Matt.

People gave you the benefit of the doubt over and over.


You didn't research what needed to be done to use the DAV name, you didn't research what kind of person Rick is.

Grow up and take responsibility. There IS no "rock solid" on this, you've already screwed up badly twice before you even started.
And we are STILL giving you the benefit of the doubt.

When a whistleblower points out a wrongdoing, it doesn't make him the perpetrator. Every grown up knows that.

Over and over people gave you the benefit of the doubt. You be as hostile and accusatory as up you like.

I, for one, still very much prefer to believe you are just careless...but coming in angry at the presentation of facts you could have found out yourself if you'd taken ten minutes to look is just making you look silly.

No one gives a shit what Rick does as long as he doesn't rip off or threaten more people in our industry. If that bothers you. I suggest you take a look at your priorities.

And do five minutes of research next time.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-28-2011, 07:48 PM
As for my YouTube Channel, I have the right to delete any comments for any reason I feel necessary. That said, I have only deleted comments that I felt were harsh, confrontational, or didn't come across as professional when inquiring about my own professionalism. I have nothing to hide, and therefore, any comments regarding this that didn't read as drama-induced or confrontational were left for all to see. (By the way, some of his comments that I deleted have not been shared here. I assume that is done on purpose to make my responses not add up. Funny to cause a stink over me deleting comments on my own page when one is selective about which comments they share here with the rest of class.)

Most of what I deleted were from an individual who here on this board has called me names, judged me for things that have nothing to do with this or situations that haven't even happened, threatened me, and made fun of my physical appearance. I decided to ban this person from being able to leave further comments on my channel. Can you blame me?
If I may ask a question and also point something out.

Can you please give the screen name of the person you have banned?

As far as I know and as far as reported in this thread, only two people from here have posted in the YouTube comments. I have not been following closely in the last day though. If you gave us the banned name, it would help us know if they are from here. It could be a person who doesn't even post here that you have banned.

The_DAREDIVA, who commented using the name @awlrite4now and Matt Doc Martin who commented using the name @docmartin72 are as far as I am aware the only people from this thread who have posted in your YouTube comments.

Also as far as we know, only two comments were deleted, both by @awlrite4now. So when you say it is funny that we are being selective in what comments we share, I say to you we have only posted the comments we are aware of.

If more than the two comments @awlrite4now made were deleted, we never saw them before deletion and so had no opportunity to post them here.

Thank you for your previous replies.

THE_DAREDIVA
08-28-2011, 07:54 PM
Personally, Matt, I hope you find a way to get loose from all this in the quickest way possible. I was concerned, because it appeared that Olney had really gotten his hooks in you by promising something that very well wouldn't come to pass, as he's done to a whole lot of people, me included.

You're a talented guy, and I now think that it'll all shake out, and you'll find a way to support veterans charities without the "help" of Olney. Thanks for not getting mad at me, because this was not intended to mess with you. My intentions were honorable: I just didn't want Olney misrepresenting things again to the general public.

No harm, no foul?

J.R. LeMar
08-28-2011, 07:54 PM
And we are STILL giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Well, I'm trying to, but each time he comments he's making it harder to do so.

Maybe if next time he posts he takes his own advice about considering how he comes off looking to strangers and drops the whole "you're all picking on me" act, and unfounded accusations of unfairness, it would be easier to give him a chance.

I'd suggest, @ the very least, if he's going to blame lack of sleep for his tone then, by all means, get a good night's sleep before you post here again, Matt.

Matt Busch
08-28-2011, 08:11 PM
You didn't research what needed to be done to use the DAV name, you didn't research what kind of person Rick is.

Grow up and take responsibility.

I have noted here several times that I admit my naivety on anything that wasn't researched prior. To me, growing up and taking responsibility is exactly what I'm doing, by trying to fix this.

The reason I jumped on again was to apologize for an error I made in the post above. When all of the comments (included some of the deleted ones) from my YouTube page were shared here, I had noticed that some of MattDocMartin's harsher comments were not present. With my joggy memory (I need sleep!) I had thought assumed that this was Matt selectively only sharing some of his not-so-harsh comments with you guys. I see now that MyNameIsLarry is the one who collected those. These harsh comments you haven't seen still exist, but I am assuming that NotLarry didn't purposely not share them.

MattDoc, considering some of the things you've said about me, maybe I don't need to apologize or you don't care, but I was wrong about you purposely selectively sharing those comments. Sorry about that.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-28-2011, 08:22 PM
The reason I jumped on again was to apologize for an error I made in the post above. When all of the comments (included some of the deleted ones) from my YouTube page were shared here, I had noticed that some of MattDocMartin's harsher comments were not present. With my joggy memory (I need sleep!) I had thought assumed that this was Matt selectively only sharing some of his not-so-harsh comments with you guys. I see now that MyNameIsLarry is the one who collected those. These harsh comments you haven't seen still exist, but I am assuming that NotLarry didn't purposely not share them.
In this assumption you are correct. I read the comments, collected them into an easier to read order since YouTube has a weird system and posted them. I would never consider being selective in what I post.

I would suggest that instead of saying you banned an unnamed person, name them so no guess work is needed. I would also suggest that if there are harsh comments that were deleted but they but still exist, please post them here. I think it has been shown that if words cross a line, we have no problem saying so.

Thank you for your apology.

Matt Busch
08-28-2011, 08:41 PM
When a whistleblower points out a wrongdoing, it doesn't make him the perpetrator. Every grown up knows that.

Gail, I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I have repeatedly THANKED those of you (including you) who have stepped in to help me do this right.

I am not angry about the presentation of facts, I'm hurt that I have been treated unkindly and unfairly by some of you.

"Hostile and accusatory"? Gail, you must be reading what I wrote with a loud screaming tone, but I assure you it's a kind and calm one. Sorry some of you are interpreting it to be otherwise. Try reading it again with a Bob Ross tone (That's kinda how I talk) and you may see it in a different light.

NotLarry- I didn't want to single out MattDoc, which is why I didn't refer to him by name. It seems the guy already has it out for me for some reason. I choose not to push back. I'm just not the confrontational type.

MattDoc- you called BS on something not adding up. You said (I'm paraphrazing) that I contacted the DAV last week, but then you guys had got to them first.... Something to do with a suggested lie I made that I never contacted the DAV when I said I did. Dude- the first inkling that you and DareDiva had left comments about this, I absolutely contacted the DAV. Right then. But guess what? That was a Saturday. So by the time I was able to get through to them on Monday, they had also been contacted by people here.

It seems that you are desperate to find anything to knock me down and make me look like a jerk. Do I feel silly for not contacting them sooner? Sure I do, but jeez, I'm a newbie at this. Please cut me some slack.

Good night, folks. For real this time. :)

J.R. LeMar
08-28-2011, 08:47 PM
I have noted here several times that I admit my naivety on anything that wasn't researched prior. To me, growing up and taking responsibility is exactly what I'm doing, by trying to fix this.

Yet you still keep blaming others and acting like you're the victim of some vast conspiracy. You first came here saying nonsense like Congratulations. You've succeeded in making sure the disabled veterans will not be seeing any of the proceeds from this project. and Don't you guys have more important things to do? If you spent this much time and effort toward something positive and moving forward, imagine what you'd have to show for it, which is pretty insulting itself (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't know that this is a message board with hundreds of other threads that is updated daily, and it's not ALL about Olney). And even in your first post tonight you still come off whining. I've been threatened to have my name tarnished to charities, companies I work for, people who admire my work, and the general public." Where? Who's saying that? I guess I keep missing it. People are committed to making others aware of the FACTS about Rick Olney's past and CURRENT history (http://fookyoutwit.net/category/rick-olney-2/), that's it. If you happen to be working on a project with him that sounds fishy (such as when he advertises to a charity without permission, you say you didn't know, but don't you think he should have? Considering his dodgy history with charities, you don't think that sounds suspicious?) then, yeah, some people connect your name to his, but that's your choice. Don't blame anyone else.

Matt Busch
08-28-2011, 08:48 PM
Oh- and DareDiva, I salute you, and thank you for trying to help me do what is right. I hope you continue to do so, as it is appreciated. Absolutely no harm or foul. :)

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-28-2011, 09:18 PM
Matt...One of the reasons people here seem to go a bit off-kilter every so often, is because Rick has been lying, deceiving, threatening, ranting, and just plain being a terrible to person for over 12 years. Just the fact he always talks of wanting people to hear his side of the stories (which he truly spins in his favor to epic proportions), but yet refuses to let people respond on "his" blog, goes miles to show what kind of person he truly is.

Now, I'm not speaking of someone I only know of thru internet ramblings. I was a friend of his once, until he tried to rip me off, did rip off some of my true friends, threatened my family & I numerous times, and even on his old ORCA board, went so far as to edit my posts to make it look like I started an arguement with him, when it was just me proving him wrong on his misunderstanding of a joke from another board.

Add to this that in 1998/99, he had numerous meltsdowns on Steve Conley & Rick Vietch's Comicon.com board. Meltdowns that included numerous threats of violence towards people, racist remarks, and many many sock-puppets, that even today, when you try to post "Rick Olney", it comes up as "**** *****." He has been banned from so many message boards over the years, for the same pattern of ranting & threats, even when he was given so many second chances on those boards. I just wish the Comicon boards archived their oldest threads, because those alone would make anybody not want to even hear the name Rick Olney.

And thru all these years, he has never once truly apologized, or made good to anyone he has wronged. He has never been able to keep his stories straight. He has used excuse after excuse, from deaths in the family, to health problems (heart attacks, brain issues, cancer), to his tried-&-true "the haters are out to get me"...but yet he has never once, in any of his deceptions & problems, claimed he had made a mistake. That also goes a long way in showing the real Rick Olney.

So try to realize, that most of the people here are only trying to stop his circle of deception, because it's been given free reign for over 12 years. We don't want anyone else to be ripped off. We don't want anyone losing money for his charity frauds. We do want to see those he has cheated get the money owed to them, for their work they've done under false pretenses. Sometimes it may get a bit overzealous, but really, when you've seen it going on for so long, and he shows no remorse in what he's doing/done, it gets a bit infuriating.

And I agree with some of the people here, that the attitude of "Well, he hasn't ripped me off yet, so it's okay" doesn't fly. Just the fact anyone would accept money from him, when he owes other over $35,000 for already completed work, does not show any respect for their fellow creators. So be warned, Rick Olney will praise and glorify you, until he either has no further use of you or your talents, or he rips you off and gives you continuous promises of reimbursement and excuses. And then, if/when you say anything about it, the "legal" threats, physical threats, taunts, rants, and truth-spinning will begin. And believe me, as a former friend of his, I've seen him do it to almost everybody he's ever come in contact with.

Again, he has been conning people for over 12 years. But thanks to the internet, people have started to share their stories and histories in dealing with Rick, so hopefully it can lessen the chance he continues for another 12 years.

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-28-2011, 09:18 PM
And let me also say, if he would truly start making ammends and paying back what's owed, I (and many others here) would gladly praise this. In the past, he has made "apologies" and promises, but after a quiet time, he goes right back to his old self, and more schemes. This has never changed. But if he would really make the effort, many would congratulate him for it.

But personally, even if he paid back everything, and admitted his past dealings/scams/lies...I would still never trust him. I would praise him for doing the right thing, but would never want him near me or my family, and still warn people of his past, if asked. Leopards don't change their spots, but they can blend in. And after the things he has said about me, my friends, and the threats he has made, I can never forgive him. Remember tho'...this is just me. I hold on to certain grudges for as long as I can! :)

Gail Simone
08-28-2011, 09:50 PM
Well said, Glenn.

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-28-2011, 10:08 PM
Thanks Gail!

Just wanted Matt to maybe get some insight from someone not on full-tilt here all the time. And also from someone who was actually a friend of Rick's in the past, and also thought 'Rick wouldn't do that to me.' Luckily, since I was able to see how he truly was, I took precautions in my business dealing with him, to cover my ass, and not get screwed out of any money. Maybe this will help Matt understand why people get riled up sometimes, take a step back, look at the bigger picture, and try to deal with Rick the best way he can.

I've made many mistakes in the past, as a comic retailer/promoter, as a comic creator, and as a human being (just my dealings with John Byrne alone is a chapter by itself! :) ) but I could admit to my mistakes and learn from them. And chief among them, was always doing what was right, especially if it involved others. Rick has never admitted wrong-doings, never expressed remorse, regret, or guilt, and has never shown he wanted to learn from the mistakes he's made, and the wrong he's done. He has also never shown wanting to make things right, truthfully, and not with the lip-service he continually falls back on.

Until Rick takes some responsibility for the reputation he's made for himself, and starts making ammends, he will never get the respect and admiration his ego craves.

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-28-2011, 10:37 PM
While looking for something specific, I came across this, posted to the Bleeding Cool thread from 2009, where Rick had wanted to "turn over a new leaf" that gives some insight on Rick, from another who was scammed....


"Are you freaking kidding me? Is this guy really for real?

I can't believe the audacity of this man to think that he can start off saying he is going to change and then moments later go into his normal pattern of one evasive maneuver after another. This pattern is really tiring and so expected.

Rick Olney is a man that, although he has a soul, has no moral fiber within it of any consequence. All of of the people that have suffered under his deceitful are owed so much better than this. He does not intend to ever pay anyone.

He owes me quite a decent sum of cash in my estimation around the neighborhood of 2700.00 dollars. I know that I will never receive it and hope that he just goes away so that we can just forget about him altogether. Better yet, if he were truly serious about making things right he would contact every creator he owes money to and pay them some sort of settlement. This would go a long way to making his image better in the eyes of many.

He pops up every few months or so and makes his comments knowing that he will just be opening up wounds just starting to heal. This man suffers deeply from a sense of worthlessness, it seems as if he can not get acceptance the normal way so does something akin to battered wife syndrome and puts these ridiculous post out there knowing what the outcome of the responses will be. Rick and his lies perpetrated against me and my family are enough to make a person consider that there is no real decency left in this world.

However I know the truth, no thanks to Rick, that there are people out there that are decent and supportive. I myself have experienced the kindness of creators in the comics community and am very grateful for it. Meaningless words like the ones in Rick's latest post serve no relevance as they are backed by nothing more than the sound of heated air expelling from his lungs.

Rick, I wish you the best in your attempt to get things right again but please do not insult any of the people that you have hurt any more than you already have. Your words are pointless and baseless and need to be tempered with truth before they come back to commiserate with you in the wee hours of the night, working their way through your dreams or shall I say nightmares. My friend I can surmise pretty clearly your pattern of sleep full of fit fullness and stress.

Please, please, stop it now before you find yourself in a worse way than at the first. Make things right by all means, but stop taking us all for suckers, that shame is on you already we shall not fall for it on purpose as that would be to our shame."


http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?1154-Happy-Birthday-Rick-Olney-Happy-Birthday-To-You!

I think this quote from Olney sums up his state of mind for the oast 12 years...


"...I've got talent. I've managed to keep you enthralled with my mere name and presence for years, have I not?"
-Rick Olney

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-28-2011, 11:46 PM
Edited because...y'know...it's stuff that can be found if it's looked for, and really, we all know it's a constantly rotating circle that doesn't seem to be ending any time soon. And that's sad.

Matt Doc Martin
08-29-2011, 02:22 AM
I have noted here several times that I admit my naivety on anything that wasn't researched prior. To me, growing up and taking responsibility is exactly what I'm doing, by trying to fix this.

The reason I jumped on again was to apologize for an error I made in the post above. When all of the comments (included some of the deleted ones) from my YouTube page were shared here, I had noticed that some of MattDocMartin's harsher comments were not present. With my joggy memory (I need sleep!) I had thought assumed that this was Matt selectively only sharing some of his not-so-harsh comments with you guys. I see now that MyNameIsLarry is the one who collected those. These harsh comments you haven't seen still exist, but I am assuming that NotLarry didn't purposely not share them.

MattDoc, considering some of the things you've said about me, maybe I don't need to apologize or you don't care, but I was wrong about you purposely selectively sharing those comments. Sorry about that.

Let me see what comments I have, as I tried to save them all:


I am NOT a new account person, and ask the same questions. You are aware their are significant penalties associated with charity fraud, yes? So you know, in case you never did a single Google Search, Rick Olney, who IS "Adirondack Comicfest" in total, once used St Judes Children's Research Hospital's logos and name to raise money. HE NEVER DONATED ANYTHING, and did not have permission. Please post anything you have showing that you have prior approval to use the DAV name.

Furthermore, why hesitate to respond? It is a fair and honest question, and backed up with fact. You made one claim, and an important one, yet "messed up the wording". So be it. Given what you CLAIM now, where is your documentation and proof?

Will you be posting a copy of the donation check and receipt? Who is checking your numbers to make sure you are not profiting instead of the Vets? I speak AS a vet.
This was when you insulted DareDiva claiming she was a troll.


I do not post anonymous comments. We are not asking about your passion for the charity. We are asking for proof that the charity actually benefits from the sales. You raise your prices and sell based on claiming that vets benefit. Where is the proof? Where is permission from the Disabled American Veterans organization?

"Witch hunt", or documented facts? You either have your head in the sand or are willfully helping perpetuate fraud. I , for one, would not support your efforts without seeing documentation you actually have permission to use the DAV name.
You had accused me of leaving anonymous comments.


Furthermore, why hesitate to respond? It is a fair and honest question, and backed up with fact. You made one claim, and an important one, yet "messed up the wording". So be it. Given what you CLAIM now, where is your documentation and proof?

Following you not answering questions.

I asked questions, you ducked answers. Sorry of that is too harsh. Perhaps you can check your email with youtube comments left and post the "harsher" ones, rather than whinge at me.

Matt Doc Martin
08-29-2011, 02:26 AM
I don't have the comment saved, but I think I asked also about how much might be heading the vets way.

Gail Simone
08-29-2011, 07:02 AM
Whatever. It's a mob, if that makes Matt feel better.


I am really not impressed by this stuff.

Never mind that we got work and money to people ripped off by Rick, never mind that people here started a non-profit organization specifically to help freelancers avoid being cheated by industry deadbeats, and to recover monies owed from people like Rick.
Never mind that some of the biggest names in the industry have signed their endorsement, and never mind that we have been able to prevent people like Rick from ripping off even MORE freelancers.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 07:15 AM
I believe I had asked a question that remains unanswered: what does it mean to say that the posters "have been funded" by Adirondathon, an organization that does not exist? Is it accurate to state this in the past tense as something that has already happened, or as something that has merely been promised? How much funding and for what purpose? To cover the printing bill? Has Olney already taken physical possession of the posters? (If so, no veterans' group will ever see a dime from their sale, I am sorry to say.)

Kevin T Brown
08-29-2011, 07:43 AM
I think Cam said it best:
My bullshit meter went off with Busch's first post here.

...It's still buzzing.For future reference, never ignore Cam! ;)

KJ!
08-29-2011, 07:51 AM
''I know you've heard (or maybe seen) my rants before. Lots of people presently loving and enjoying comics have! ORCA has worked with just about EVERY major publisher. We've interacted with Diamond and we're signing up retailers ... one store at a time. You might say, "growing at our own speed." Personally, I didn't get into this end of the industry to make tons of money. But seeing a few more retailers come forward and advertise within the pages of Fresh would be nice. A rousing endorsement by someone like you would be nice too!''

The above is by Olney, from Comicon's archives, from 2000. http://comicon.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=448868&page=2

Note the income part. This is for the organisation that he'd repeatedly claim on the board at the SAME time was a non-profit.

See the problem there?

11 years, and it HASN'T changed. He'll tell you it's all non-profit, for charity, ALL the noble things that will get you motivated and inspired, when really, it'll be as in this rare admission above: for his pocket only.

KJ!
08-29-2011, 07:57 AM
Related, and also from 2000, is this statement regarding a contract. I can't verify the source, or any contents, so take what's written at your own risk, etc etc.

''“This is what the Court of Appeal of the Second District recently said on the issue of breaches of contract. ‘Every contract imposes upon each party a duty of good faith and fair dealing in its performance and its enforcement… The covenant of good faith finds particular application in situations where one party is invested with a discretionary power affecting the rights of another. Such power must be exercised in good faith. In general, the covenant imposes a duty upon all parties to a contract not to deprive the other parties of the contract's benefits. The covenant not only imposes upon each contracting party the duty to refrain from doing anything which would render performance of the contract impossible by any act of his own, but also the duty to do everything that the contract presupposes that he will do to accomplish its purpose. In other words, good faith performance of a contract emphasizes faithfulness to an agreed common purpose and consistency with the justified expectations of the other party.’ “''

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 08:51 AM
I believe I had asked a question that remains unanswered: what does it mean to say that the posters "have been funded" by Adirondathon, an organization that does not exist? Is it accurate to state this in the past tense as something that has already happened, or as something that has merely been promised? How much funding and for what purpose? To cover the printing bill? Has Olney already taken physical possession of the posters? (If so, no veterans' group will ever see a dime from their sale, I am sorry to say.)
Just to clarify...

Matt, I do not believe you have done anything wrong or intend to do so; my question is simply to see what, if anything, Olney has already gotten away with. I really don't want you or your very worthwhile project to be damaged by this toxic person.

SarahBeach
08-29-2011, 09:36 AM
I can empathize with Matt's feeling of being pounced upon, if he was reading to catch up. In general the cumulative tone had gotten heated with a hostile edge. MacQuarrie called us to account, and immediately we stepped back and said "Ooops. Right. Over the top there." Matt Doc Martin, though, is passionate, persistent, and (said as a friend who does see his good qualities) often untactful. The combination, I think, could keep Matt Busch a bit wound up.

Because of that, and because he was heading to a convention, I'm willing to cut him some slack on how he responded to things. Okay, so he didn't do a great job in his responses. But he understands the picture better now, and I say give him time to work toward rectifying as much of the situation as he can. Matt Martin may ride his heels demanding speedy accountability .... but I think we can afford to give Matt Busch some breathing room. This is still ONLY the end of August, and we're talking about a supposed event in mid-November.

And, to Matt Busch, although the DAV has, according to your statements, taken hands off this situation, I don't know that that means you yourself will be always treated that way. If I look at things from their point of view, there's an awful lot to sort through in the situation. Olney's dubious reputation pops up very quickly, so that does affect anything connected with him in any fashion, and you've gotten caught in that backwash. Should you be able to disentange your project from Olney, and become (in a sense) free standing, I would hope and expect that they would reconsider an official connection with you regarding fundraising.

But I can also understand from your point of view that commitments and connections are not quite as simple to change as we might believe. I hope you'll forgive us for treating as "simple" something that might indeed be a bit more complicated.

To the "gang".... yeah, I agree with MacQuarrie about the venue stuff. Okay, we've confirmed that Rick has indeed reserved one spot. But those institutions are businesses who do that every day, and they have their proceedures. A college (such as where the 2003 MMC was held) is not necessarily as practiced or hardnosed about dealing with flakes like Rick; a hotel/inn is not going to be as much of a push-over on those fronts. If they get cheated by Rick, it's sort of their look out, and I think we can trust them not to just blow it off if it happens. On the upside, we've turned up yet another "company name" that Rick is trying to use without formalizing it.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 10:08 AM
Not sure how to say this, so I'll blurt it out...

I feel like I may be seen as somewhat dominating this discussion or dictating how it should go or what's acceptable to say. That's not my intention. I don't want to control anyone. But I also don't want to give Olney a single bit of leverage or advantage or anything he can use as an excuse or justification.

I think our approach has to be laser-focused; our issue is his treatment of comic book industry professionals, semi-professionals, aspiring talent, retailers and fans. Period. The hotels and convention centers and vendors can handle themselves. More importantly, there is no effective mechanism in place to "warn" a convention center or hotel about a dubious would-be client without sounding like a lunatic. Let that go.

With the laser-focus on protecting "our people," the ones that Olney is trying to exploit, we have to take care not to hurt those people ourselves. Quite frankly, we have so far taken adversarial stances against Clayton, Michael, Valerie, and now Matt. We did the same thing years ago with Mike Zarnock and Jason Dube. In nearly every case, the person suspected of collaborating with Olney eventually washed their hands of him, and in many cases joined us here to keep Olney's feet to the fire. We need to remember that Matt is the guy we're trying to help, not the perpetrator. Think for a minute: would YOU spend three years illustrating a gorgeous and detailed map with the intent of using it to rip people off? That makes as much sense as one of those "Flash" rogues who invents a device that can turn things to gold and uses it to rob banks. The work is itself more valuable than the proceeds of any scam he could possibly perpetrate with it.

Sure, Matt may still be somewhere in the middle of weighing what to believe, evaluating what Olney's told him vs. what we've said. That's to be expected; he has a lot invested in this project, and a lot to lose if it gets messed up. If one side is yelling at him and hurling accusations, and the other side is speaking softly and reassuring him, who is he going to listen to?

We are not trying to destroy Olney or interfere with his convention. We're not. We're trying to keep him honest. If he treats people fairly and pays what he says he will, he has every right to put on an event. We know he will fail, because he CAN'T deal straight with people, so let him fail. The only thing that matters in all of this is that he not be allowed to cheat any comics people. Everything else is a distraction.

Playing to the bloodthirsty is fun, but it helps Olney, not his victims.

Laser focus. Eyes on the prize. Remember our purpose.

That's my opinion, you don't have to listen to me. You can tell me to shut the fuck up, that I'm wrong, cowardly, gutless, a quisling and unwitting dupe of Olney, but I believe that the more rabid we are, the more it undercuts UNSCREWED and helps Olney screw people.

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 10:19 AM
Frankly, I have no problem with Macq (& Tom Stillwell) “controlling” this discussion. They’re probably the best qualified @ keeping track of the pertinent details and explaining it to newbies without going off on tangents. A lot of folks (myself included) could probably stand to listen to them a bit more.

Just my opinion.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-29-2011, 10:21 AM
On the upside, we've turned up yet another "company name" that Rick is trying to use without formalizing it.

An interesting note on "Olney Enterprises" I noticed in a quick search.

As an example, that name (well, a very close version) was brought up by Danny Donovan in the original YABS thread:


Also, you can't trademark a person's name, because an individual can't be trademarked a company can. So like if it was "Rick Olney Enterprises" then that could be trademarked. Just like Tommy Hilfiger. I don't have to pay royalties for saying his name, however, if I wanted to manufacture clothing and put his name on it I would. Because that's his brand.

I also found at least a half a dozen Olney Enterprises across the US. It makes sense with Olney being a fairly common name.

There is this too,


OLNEY ENTERPRISES, LLC


New York Company Filing #3076386


Basic Data


Entity TypeDomestic Limited Liability Company
Formation DateJul 09, 2004
StatusDissolution
Entity Number3076386
Home JurisdictionNew York
Live/DeadDead

Registered Agents


OLNEY ENTERPRISES, LLC 25 Leboeuf St, 0.0, Tupper Lake, NEW YORK, 12986


http://www.seravia.com/corporation/new-york/olney-enterprises-llc-224d5fsc97#about

I can only assume this wasn't related to Rick, however it doesn't exist now even if it was.

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-29-2011, 10:29 AM
I tend to agree with you, ecept with one point...


We are not trying to destroy Olney or interfere with his convention. We're not. We're trying to keep him honest. If he treats people fairly and pays what he says he will, he has every right to put on an event. We know he will fail, because he CAN'T deal straight with people, so let him fail. The only thing that matters in all of this is that he not be allowed to cheat any comics people. Everything else is a distraction.

Personally (and I reiterate, this is just me talking) I feel he should be kept from trying to run a convention, or publishing venture, or anything else that lets him use money he has bragged over and over about having, that should go towards the over $35,000 he currently owes to people. If he has money to do all these things, he has money to pay these people back, and try to rebuild his reputation. Only when every penny is paid for, apologies to those he has threatened, libeled, slandered, and harrassed are made, and he admits that he himself brought it all on, should he be able to start some new endeavors.

And again I say, even if he would do all that, I would gladly congratulate him and wish him well, but I would never buy anything from him, go to any event he holds, or give him any type of recognition beyond his settling of his debts and coming to terms with his role in all of his past dealings. I would also warn anyone asking about him, to look at his past, to then make their own decision on wanting to deal with him. He was my friend at one time, and the ship has sailed a long time ago for any forgiveness on my part.

I do believe that this convention will not come to pass. I do believe that anyone that does stay involved with Rick, will eventually discover he is only out for himself and his ego, and will be thrown under the bus at the first sign of any questioning of his motives. And eventually, those people will be cheated of any money/product/work they will be owed by him. Nothing has changed in over 12 years, and I truly believe it never will.

So yes, let him hang himself with his own rope. But we must stay vigilant on him at all times, to try and keep others from falling into his trap. And I do agree with staying focused on level warnings, and letting things like the venues handle their business themselves. They do have high-paid lawyers that will handle any problems quickly and efficiently.

The cycle continues....

**I wanted to add, that when I say "I would also warn anyone asking about him, to look at his past..." I mean that if asked by someone if I know him or his event/publishing, I would say to research the stuff that's out there from the past. If reparations are made by Rick, I for one, would not actively still go around warning people like is done now. I would say that he has made amends, but they need to decide for themselves in they think he has truly repented. Just wanted to clear that up. Thanks!**

Matt Doc Martin
08-29-2011, 10:30 AM
Frankly, I have no problem with Macq (& Tom Stillwell) “controlling” this discussion. They’re probably the best qualified @ keeping track of the pertinent details and explaining it to newbies without going off on tangents. A lot of folks (myself included) could probably stand to listen to them a bit more.

Just my opinion.

Agreed.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 11:00 AM
I tend to agree with you, ecept with one point...

Personally (and I reiterate, this is just me talking) I feel he should be kept from trying to run a convention, or publishing venture, or anything else that lets him use money he has bragged over and over about having, that should go towards the over $35,000 he currently owes to people. If he has money to do all these things, he has money to pay these people back, and try to rebuild his reputation. Only when every penny is paid for, apologies to those he has threatened, libeled, slandered, and harrassed are made, and he admits that he himself brought it all on, should he be able to start some new endeavors.
I agree, but the hard reality is that we are not equipped to do anything about that except in one arena, a court of law.The only person who can make Olney put his money toward his debts instead of his pipe-dreams is a judge. We need his ass in front of a judge, trying to explain himself, and being ordered to make restitution. For that we need a plaintiff. Somebody needs to sue him in New York where judgment can be easily enforced. Until that happens, we have no legal right to interfere in his enterprise and no practical way to do so. All we can do is provide his intended victims with the information they need to protect themselves.

I'd rather direct my energy toward efforts that will produce results. As morally repellent as it is to let him keep trying, there's not a lot we can do about that. We should pursue every legal avenue we have, including reporting his fraudulent activities to the NY Secretary of State, State Attorney, the various charities, and keep getting the word out to every artist and writer in the business.

Tony Isabella
08-29-2011, 11:20 AM
My only problem with your reasoning, Mac, is that, in order to warn comics professionals, retailers, and fans about Olney, we have to interfere with his convention plans. It's the natural consequence of warning people about him and helping them get themselves unattached from his alleged conventions.

Part of me really wants to see him put on this convention and run afoul of federal laws. Part of me is tired of going to bat for professionals who should be doing their own due diligence before entering into agreements with him.

It feeds our egos when someone tells us what big stars we are and offers us star treatment or big freelance paychecks. I know how tempting that can be when those paying gigs are few and far between.

But it takes so little effort to learn the truth about a serial offender like Olney - or anyone else who comes to you with an offer - that I can't understand why doing that Google search isn't the first thing a professional does.

Tomorrow's edition of my blog is my latest warning about Rick Olney. I would love for it to be the last. But it will most likely turn out to be far from the last.

Unless he actually makes good on his past offenses - payments, apologies, etc - and walks the straight and narrow from then on. I think we all know that's not going to happen.

The alternative?

Someone with the grounds to sue him does so in New York and doesn't stop until Olney is shut down once and for all.

In the meantime...the warnings will continue, even if they interfere with this convention or any other venture in which Olney is involved.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 11:39 AM
By "interfere with his convention plans," I refer to things like calling the hotel to "warn" them, and other such actions that are ineffective and may possibly be illegal harassment.

Getting the word out to the industry has been effective. Keeping track of his blogs and claims is effective. Let's keep doing what works.

EDIT TO ADD: We will of course interfere with his plans, but that in itself is too small a goal. If we prevent the Adirondathon ComicFest or whatever the hell it's called from happening, and then pat ourselves on the back about the great job we did, we've accomplished nothing. He still owes all that money, and he's in the same position he was a year ago, nothign has changed. And next year, he'll be promoting the Uticathon Spookytown or some such, and we'll start all over again. Shutting down his convention is an ancillary side-effect of shutting him down.

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 12:06 PM
I do agree with Glenn about the convention plans, which is where the warning to his potential guests come in, and it's why I said that, unlike some others here, I will judge those who choose to participate willingly after they've been appraised of all the facts. I don't mean those who, for whatever reason, didn't bother to check out Olney's past beforehand and now feel stuck by contracts (like Clayton and Michael originally thought), but those who purposely dismiss the warnings and basically says "as long as this is good for ME, I don't care what he's done to anyone else." Those folks are just as bad as him, in my opinion. Any money he's spending on renting a hotel or "funding" posters is money that he should be spending to pay off people like Scott Reed (http://fookyoutwit.net/2011/07/13/rick-olney-vs-scott-reed/), Jim Tournas (http://fookyoutwit.net/2011/07/13/rick-olney-vs-jim-tournas/), and Val Staples (http://fookyoutwit.net/2011/07/13/rick-olney-vs-val-staples/). By partaking in his events or lending your name to promote it, even if you think it's for a "good cause," you're helping him get away with not paying his debts. And I won't support anyone like that.

Having said that, we should first make sure they are truly aware of what’s going on, and don’t just think this is all rumors or sour grapes, or “just one side of the story,” so I would suggest that whenever one of his partners does show up here @ first, maybe some of us could hold back and let Macq or Tom or Gail or Tony respond to them first, and reason with them, so they can hear all the facts.

And then if they continue to cop an attitude and not listen we can sick Matt Doc Martin on ‘em.;)

Tony Isabella
08-29-2011, 12:14 PM
I don't often see "reason" in the same sentence as my name.

Matt Doc Martin
08-29-2011, 12:37 PM
And then if they continue to cop an attitude and not listen we can sick Matt Doc Martin on ‘em.;)

You guys are killing me here.

Ugh.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 01:07 PM
You guys are killing me here.

Ugh.

Sorry, Matt. I know you're trying to change your image, but it takes time.

Matt Doc Martin
08-29-2011, 01:11 PM
Sorry, Matt. I know you're trying to change your image, but it takes time.

:(

AIPman1
08-29-2011, 01:19 PM
I posted a request in the Unscrewed forum, because I did not find an easy way to contact anyone in charge of Unscrewed in a "contact us" place on the Unscrewed website. It's for an offer to try and help promote what Unscrewed is about, so since I know officers of Unscrewed are here, I'll post a link to it, as I don't want to distract too much from this thread's focus....

http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17&forum=3

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 01:28 PM
The unscrewed website definitely could use some work.

OMAR
08-29-2011, 01:35 PM
Bring back Papergirl!

Gail Simone
08-29-2011, 01:52 PM
Hey, Omar! How did you enjoy the Lightning Bolt Comics relaunch?

Just wonderin'!

Gail Simone
08-29-2011, 01:56 PM
I'm sure Matt's a good guy. I just find the whole thing ridiculously passive aggressive.

I honest to god don't care what Rick Olney gets up to. I have insisted time and again his kids not be included in this stuff. I don't care if the thread wanders afield. But what he does is his business, until the MOMENT he starts lining up more con games and ridiculous fanboy pyramid publishing schemes. Then, freelancers have the right, and I think the OBLIGATION, to put the warning out.

Other than that, Rick can go live in a tree and call himself the King of Siam. I would be delighted never to hear any more of his bullshit.

AND I will add that I didn't 'spam' ANY of the attendees of the con, not a one. Valerie, Michael, Matt and John all came here or to Facebook.

Ask 'em, if you like, Rick.

OMAR
08-29-2011, 02:10 PM
Ugh. You had to ask. Obviously, I'm as disappointed as anyone that the books aren't on the shelves yet. I haven't even seen any news about them. In fact I keep hoping that someone in this very forum will spend a few hours trawling through social networking sites to bring us some spicy news about J-Bolt, or maybe sneak out to his house and do an A.J. Weberman on his garbage, anything that might also give us an update as to his publishing schedule.

And yeah, I agree with the guy who called for the return of Papergirl. She's done her time!

Oh, wait, that was me. Sorry.

AIPman1
08-29-2011, 02:26 PM
by the way, anyone who has any indy work to promote, I have re-started Self Publisher! Magazine in the wake of my improved health, and we're accepting news releases to post, and have 3 reviewers on board if you have something to be reviewed. Check out www.selfpubmag.com - thanks for the time and opportunity to post here, I know it isnt directly related to Olney, but every day I can keep the SPA alive after Olney threatened to destroy me, my family, etc, is a good day...and it does make me feel good to throw that in his face cause we know he reads this stuff.

submitting news is as easy as clicking a link at the top of the page and sending it over to us. the print version of SP! is under re-development as well.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 02:31 PM
I posted a request in the Unscrewed forum, because I did not find an easy way to contact anyone in charge of Unscrewed in a "contact us" place on the Unscrewed website. It's for an offer to try and help promote what Unscrewed is about, so since I know officers of Unscrewed are here, I'll post a link to it, as I don't want to distract too much from this thread's focus....

http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17&forum=3
Ian, go ahead and promote UNSCREWED any way you think appropriate.


The unscrewed website definitely could use some work.
Yup. It's on the list of things we need to do as soon as somebody can afford to work for free on something.

AIPman1
08-29-2011, 02:38 PM
I'd offer to do some free work for Unscrewed, if it is not too involved. If its some simple HTML work, I can do that pretty quick, you'd just have to let me know what you want on a page and I could fix it up, but if there is like php coding you need done, I'd have to pass. so if you just need some pages formatted to post into a CMS system, I would be able to help.

Gail Simone
08-29-2011, 02:45 PM
Ugh. You had to ask. Obviously, I'm as disappointed as anyone that the books aren't on the shelves yet. I haven't even seen any news about them. In fact I keep hoping that someone in this very forum will spend a few hours trawling through social networking sites to bring us some spicy news about J-Bolt, or maybe sneak out to his house and do an A.J. Weberman on his garbage, anything that might also give us an update as to his publishing schedule.

And yeah, I agree with the guy who called for the return of Papergirl. She's done her time!

Oh, wait, that was me. Sorry.

That always cracks me up, that social network thing. Like it takes hours and involves a stakeout, instead of ten seconds and a search engine.
Oh, my god! You must have spent HOURS digging through EVERY SITE ON THE INTERNET!

No, we spent ten seconds typing in a name once. It's not exactly strenuous.




I was teasing about J-bolt, but that whole thing is actually kind of sad. He really seemed determined to put something out and NOTHING happened.
It's disappointing. I did try to help but he was determined that he had a plan and he even announced the first book was published. But the whole
post about it made no sense--it was published but it wasn't.

bert
08-29-2011, 03:25 PM
And yeah, I agree with the guy who called for the return of Papergirl. She's done her time!

Oh, wait, that was me. Sorry.

Sorry OMAR, Bev burned that bridge, and then (by disappearing instead of making it right), rubbed salt in the open wounds.

I for one will never trust her and anything I see she's involved in, will steer clear of.

Tony Isabella
08-29-2011, 03:48 PM
Anytime Olney announces guests, I will continue to message those people with the suggestion they Google him. If they respond with further questions, I'll answer them. But, as I've said, I think anyone who considers themselves a professional should do due diligence before making deals with anyone.

HamsterRage
08-29-2011, 04:15 PM
Guys,

Matt Busch is a grown man and a seasoned professional.

We warned him, if he chooses to move forward and it blows up in his face we can just shrug our shoulders.

Bugging him is no good.

A disreputable guy I once worked for once said about Olney and the Dables was that the thing he learned from their victims is that people try very hard to convince themselves they haven't been duped after being suckered. I have a close friend who still tries to rationalize that he's not a victim.

Matt will eventually get wise. Let him come to his own conclusion.

Like Clayton and others have.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 04:19 PM
And yeah, I agree with the guy who called for the return of Papergirl. She's done her time!
Bev exiled herself, so there is no way for anyone to do anything to bring about her "return." And no, she has not "done her time." She was not charged, tried or convicted of anything. She was given no sentence; there was no time for her to serve. She hasn't returned the money she misappropriated, and she broke a lot of relationships, so she is certainly not likely to be welcomed by many here, but nobody is preventing her from posting here.

Now, what exactly was your idiotic point, other than to stir up animosity by mentioning her?

THEDOC
08-29-2011, 05:12 PM
I'd offer to do some free work for Unscrewed, if it is not too involved. If its some simple HTML work, I can do that pretty quick, you'd just have to let me know what you want on a page and I could fix it up, but if there is like php coding you need done, I'd have to pass. so if you just need some pages formatted to post into a CMS system, I would be able to help.

I as well.

WilRadcliffe
08-29-2011, 05:13 PM
Wow. He's in full meltdown mode now.


And guess what!? Next week I'm announcing that YOU ALL ARE GUEST APPEARING in November!!

How pathetic is it that announcing people as guests at Adirondack ComicFest is considered a threat, even by the organizer himself!

Then again, knowing what is in the contracts Clayton and the others signed, couldn't this be considered a verbal contract with the same conditions? So, anyone he announces as a guest next week should reasonably expect an appearance fee, airfare/travel expenses, and a limo ride. Simply by announcing people as guests he's opening himself up to all sorts of possible legal action. Breach of contract. Libel. Fraud.

Rick, you moron.

Greg S
08-29-2011, 05:16 PM
Now, what exactly was your idiotic point, other than to stir up animosity by mentioning her?

Mac,

You and I (and everyone else here) knows Omar is nothing but a troll. I have never seen him comment on anything that added substantively to the discussion. He likes to be contrary for no reason and he likes to stir up bad feelings, but he has one thing that most trolls don't. A polite tone. That is what keeps him from being banned like every other troll.

I think troll-behavior in and of itself should be bannable, but it's not my board.

THEDOC
08-29-2011, 05:16 PM
He needs to up his Lexapro dosage.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 05:22 PM
I'd offer to do some free work for Unscrewed, if it is not too involved. If its some simple HTML work, I can do that pretty quick, you'd just have to let me know what you want on a page and I could fix it up, but if there is like php coding you need done, I'd have to pass. so if you just need some pages formatted to post into a CMS system, I would be able to help.
Shelly and I have discussed it, and I think we're going to move the whole thing to a WordPress install as soon as we can. Probably the biggest help we'd need would be in creating, locating and organizing content; not only as regards Olney, but information on other publishers, resources, the law, etc.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 05:27 PM
Olney says: "Spoken just like a high and mighty pious asshole, MacQuarrie."

For the record, I am often a "high and mighty pious asshole." That fact does not alter for a second the much more pressing fact that Rick Olney is a liar, cheat and thief. What I am has no bearing on what he is.

Artful Angie
08-29-2011, 05:29 PM
Mac,

You and I (and everyone else here) knows Omar is nothing but a troll. I have never seen him comment on anything that added substantively to the discussion. He likes to be contrary for no reason and he likes to stir up bad feelings, but he has one thing that most trolls don't. A polite tone. That is what keeps him from being banned like every other troll.

I think troll-behavior in and of itself should be bannable, but it's not my board.

I think you're all being just too harsh on Omar. Shamety shame shame shame!!

Now Omar, you go ahead and talk as much as you want about how you have a problem with people making promise after promise after promise, which they never even intend on keeping. And lie again and again.

Ooh! And then when you're done, we can talk about Olney!

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-29-2011, 05:36 PM
I agree, but the hard reality is that we are not equipped to do anything about that except in one arena, a court of law.The only person who can make Olney put his money toward his debts instead of his pipe-dreams is a judge. We need his ass in front of a judge, trying to explain himself, and being ordered to make restitution. For that we need a plaintiff. Somebody needs to sue him in New York where judgment can be easily enforced. Until that happens, we have no legal right to interfere in his enterprise and no practical way to do so. All we can do is provide his intended victims with the information they need to protect themselves.

I'd rather direct my energy toward efforts that will produce results. As morally repellent as it is to let him keep trying, there's not a lot we can do about that. We should pursue every legal avenue we have, including reporting his fraudulent activities to the NY Secretary of State, State Attorney, the various charities, and keep getting the word out to every artist and writer in the business.

And I understand that, as well as the only way to get the ball rolling is court appearances. Remember, I've spoken about this thru the years, telling people to take Mark Waid's offer, wondering why most just let it go. Without more people stepping up and suing him, it just enables him to continue the taunts and the chance to lure others into his schemes.

SarahBeach
08-29-2011, 05:41 PM
I wish someone would hammer some sense into Olney's noggen.

Regarding the photo he posted on his blog that is of those who were at one of the CAPE gatherings (he's responding to Bert here)--


I imagine they'll need to WATCH OUT for who they hang around with next time then, Bert. This photo, of which you speak, was taken by one of your hate crew and put up on a post to make light of cyber-bullying a couple years back, as I recall. No, I don't know all the people in the image. Nor do I care to. If I DID know all the people I would warn them about allowing people that get them all crowded into a group for a 'love' shot only to have that image be used as a political statement by trolls advocating cyber-bullying tactics on the Internet. This photo, by the way, was on a search engine for images. Well, along with being on CBR in Gail Simone's former libeling thread.

He's going on as if just because the image came up on an image search engine, he therefore can with impunity post it however he likes. He is so WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. And he ought to KNOW he is wrong because this is exactly the same situation he was in regarding the photograph he posted of me, using someone else's picture of me.

Does anyone know who the photographer was of that group photo? Although the portrayed people can indeed complain to Google about the unauthorized use of their image, they need to be able to inform Google of who the actual copyright owner is, and be able to provide contact information for the copyright holder.

It would be easier for the photographer to lodge the complaint to Google about the unauthorized use of the picture. If you know who took that picture, please inform them to contact Google and flie an abuse report of copyright infringement, emphasizing that the blog poster (Rick Olney) does NOT have permission to republish the photograph. Tell the photographer to do it immediately, and not bother to post here about it.

Olney's playing his game of "You (the copyright holder) have to contact me nicely at rick.olney@gmail.com, and only then will I take it down." But he knows darned well that he does NOT have the right to republish photos without permission, and I'm sick and tired of seeing him getting away with having pictures like that up for three days before he takes things down. Stop giving him warnings of abuse reports and just report him. HE KNOWS HE IS IN THE WRONG. Just file the complaint.

(By the way, over on the ComicsFest site, where he posted the cosplay pictures, he went to the trouble of ADDING A COMMENT, indicating that he had indeed actually gotten the permission of the copyright holder of those pictures to post them on his site. So he has no legitimate claim to make that "he didn't know" he needed to get permission. He can't do it right on one blog, and then on the other pretend that he thought he could use any way he wants whatever he finds on an image search.)

It's beyond moronic.

Greg S
08-29-2011, 05:48 PM
Now Omar, you go ahead and talk as much as you want about how you have a problem with people making promise after promise after promise, which they never even intend on keeping. And lie again and again.

But Omar DOESN'T have a problem with people who make promise after promise after promise, which they never even intend on keeping and lie again and again, AS LONG AS THEIR NAME BEGINS WITH A 'J'.

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 05:49 PM
AND I will add that I didn't 'spam' ANY of the attendees of the con, not a one. Valerie, Michael, Matt and John all came here or to Facebook.

So far, I've only directly sought out two people, Ben Dunn and John Wycough, and each time I only contacted them once. With Dunn I simply went to his Deviant Art page and posted:

Hello. I saw the story on Bleeding Cool regarding your involvement with the Adirondack Comics Fest. It say you're planning to contact Rick Olney with questions. Well, I have a few links on my blog, which should give you a little more info on the man. Here are two regarding some court judgments that he lost and hasn't paid: And then I posted my links to the blogs about Scott Reed (http://fookyoutwit.net/2011/07/13/rick-olney-vs-scott-reed/) and Jim Tournas (http://fookyoutwit.net/2011/07/13/rick-olney-vs-jim-tournas/). 4 days later he replied on Deviant Art, saying thanks for the links and that he'd look into it. And that's it, I never responded, I didn't go back to hound him on what he's going to do, or what I think he should do, I just sent the info and now it's up to him. And since, unlike some of the others who've been contacted, he hasn't made any public statements either way, that's why his name hasn't come up again.

And I also contacted John Waki Wycough, and sent him and email with the header: FYI: ADIRONDACK COMICS FEST‏ and it said:

Hello. I just see that you've been announced as a guest at the Adirondack Comics Fest. I just thought you should be made fully aware of the history of Rick Olney, the organizer of this event:


http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?194906-Rick-Olney-Still-does-not-pay-freelancers-or-anyone-else.&p=8016456&viewfull=1#post8016456 ( http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?194906-Rick-Olney-Still-does-not-pay-freelancers-or-anyone-else.&p=8016456&viewfull=1#post8016456)

Read for yourself, and make an informed decision. Thank you.

He replied soon after (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?194906-Rick-Olney-Still-does-not-pay-freelancers-or-anyone-else.&p=8016717&highlight=#post8016717), in a way that I thought was rather dismissive, but I wasn't going contact him directly again. I gave him the info, and that's that. Then he voluntarily showed up here (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?194906-Rick-Olney-Still-does-not-pay-freelancers-or-anyone-else.&p=8016818#post8016818) to reply publicly, but there was no more private contact.

And that's how I think everyone should have it. If you hear of someone you think needs to be warned, do so once and give whatever facts you can, in a simple form, non-accusatory, don't assume they already know what they're getting into, and then move on. If they ask legitimate questions then answer, but if they are dismissive, don't bother replying. There's no point in arguing with them.

Artful Angie
08-29-2011, 05:50 PM
I'm going to post this again, because I want to make sure it's read by everyone. And, Matt? In what way was this not meant to make you think about the man you've decided to say "everybody who's dealt with him for DECADES is wrong, and Rick is right?"?

HI MATT BUSCH

I hope you are having a good relaxing weekend. You said you needed to drive somewhere, I would assume a convention of some kind or a family function, and I hope it's a peaceful weekend away from here.

But when you come back, I hope you consider the following very carefully:

You came on the thread and very aggressively defend your partnership with Rick. I have no problem understanding why you would do this. But your main defense seemed to be the tried and true "Well, you'll see that he's going to give to The DAV, because he said so! But I can't prove to you something that hasn't happened yet!"

And that's a valid point. Except it's not. Because it already has happened.

Let's look at Rick's own press release from the 2002 MMC. Again, these are RICK'S OWN WORDS:



Kininger and Olney said ORCA’s mission to promote comic books is supported by children and adults with an active imagination. Fans, artists, writers, retailers and publishers will be on site at ORCA’s first Mighty Mini-Con. Admission is very affordable at only $5 dollars for adults, $3 dollars for children. Any child 7 years of age or younger accompanied by an adult paid admission will gain free entry. All monies raised by this event will be evenly split by ORCA and the Mohawk Valley chapter of the Make*A*Wish Foundation. A gala auction is being held, a costume contest (with prizes being awarded), and the first 100 people attending the show will get a bag full of goodies. Refreshments will be available also. A good day of family fun!

Now, let's explore Rick's claim about St Jude Children's Cancer.

http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2...y-minicon.html

That's Rick's OWN BLOG with the ad HE created! Telling everyone he's doing a charity auction for the proceeds to benefit St Jude's.


Now, you asked us to wait until you provided proof of the delivery of the check. Fair enough. But then I'm asking for a little reciprocity here.


How about asking Rick to provide you with the proof of the delivery of the money to The Mohawk Valley Make-A-Wish Foundation chapter.

How about asking him to provide proof of the money that was collected for and donated to St Jude's?

These things should be very easy for Rick to provide, since as you see from his blog he keeps virtually everything when it comes to self-promoting or self-defending. He's got a letter from 1998 from someone who sent him ORCA dues. You're expecting me to believe he wouldn't keep a copy of the thank you letters he would have gotten from St. Jude & Make-A-Wish??

http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2...hat-youre.html

So here's some more facts while you're thinking about that:

Rick photocopied St. Jude's logo and placed it on the programs for one of his cons without permission. Because to use the logo, they require you to pay them a "donation" of $500.00 for use of it. (PUBLIC REQUEST: I've lost my copy of the link with the logo he used. Does anyone here still have it??)
Ask them:

https://apps.stjude.org/EmailForms/jsp/contact_form.jsp

Why you're at it, contact the Mohawk Valley Chapter of The Make-A-Wish Foundation and ask them. Here's their info:

" "


Want to know why you don't see their information?? Because there is no Mohawk Valley chapter. Never HAS been! THEY DON'T EXIST! And NEVER DID!

EDIT: Let me say that again, for the record:

WHEN RICK OLNEY SAID HE WAS DONATING THE MONEY TO THE "MOHAWK VALLEY CHAPTER OF THE MAKE-A-WISH FOUNDATION", THERE WAS NO SUCH ORGANIZATION

The closest thing to what Rick claims he helped is The Make-A-Wish Foundation of Central New York. But they're based in Syracuse and serve all 15 counties of Central NY.

5005 Campuswood Drive, East Syracuse, NY 13057
Phone: (315) 475-WISH, Toll-free: (800) 846-WISH

Give them a call and see if they have ever even heard of Rick.

So. What I've just done is show you TWO examples that Rick says he's helping a charity and draws the money in. Then it disappears down the rabbit hole.

If you don't believe me, then believe Rick's own words. And ask him to show you the checks or the thank you letters. He's always so proud to show off his good deeds.

You understand why I'm asking you to do this, I hope. I'm not trying to be snarky about it. I'm showing you FACTS from Rick Olney himself that he's said all this at least twice before. And we believe he's doing it again.

You came into the thread, basically putting our feet to the fire about how we have an attitude with Rick. I'm asking you to be fair and balanced about it and take that same level of scrutiny and place it on how this must appear to any sane man as a habit of making false claims and broken promises. Not to just the people in this room, but to the charities RICK OLNEY HIMSELF mentioned.

I thank you for your time.

Artful Angie
08-29-2011, 05:53 PM
But Omar DOESN'T have a problem with people who make promise after promise after promise, which they never even intend on keeping and lie again and again, AS LONG AS THEIR NAME BEGINS WITH A 'J'.

Hence, my second line in that post, Greg:


Ooh! And then when you're done, we can talk about Olney!

heh heh

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 06:02 PM
Could y'all PLEASE not spend the rest of this night talking about OMAR? See my earlier comment about how, starting back with the original YABS thread, people frequently would go off on other topics, irrelevant to the thread, which just makes it harder for anyone who just wants to learn the facts about Olney's history to find any relevant info because it's buried within a bunch of other stuff.

Heck, start a separate thread about OMAR, if you must. Or bump the last J-Bolt thread. Please.

And I still don't see why anyone gives a damn about pics on Olney's blog. We're the only ones who read it anyway. The more you complain about it, the more he's gonna do it, because he thinks he's punishing people. And I certainly wouldn't dance through his hoops by sending him a nice email about it. The only ones who should be doing something are the people still listed as confirmed guests on his Adirondack ComicFest blog, even though they've told him they're not coming. Clayton should get his lawyer on that, pronto.

And, oh yeah, MATT BUSCH, in case you didn't know that, @ least 6 people currently listed as convention guests on Olney's blog have all publicly declared that they're NOT GOING. And he knows that, yet he's still keeping their info up. Does that sound like something a legitimate convention organizer would do?

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-29-2011, 06:17 PM
@ least 6 people currently listed as convention guests on Olney's blog have all publicly declared that they're NOT GOING. And he knows that, yet he's still keeping their info up. Does that sound like something a legitimate convention organizer would do?

Those 6 names for Matt or anyone else who doesn't know are:

Dave Ryan
Dave Hoover
Clayton Murwin
Michael Kellar
Arvell Jones
Valerie Finnigan

I would assume Nick Jones Jr is also NOT going to be there since he's the official spokesman for Heroes Fallen Studios and everyone else from that group has cancelled. Could Clayton or Michael confirm to make it official and lucky number 7?

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 06:23 PM
So let's say I don't know the history behind the convention, I just happen to be someone who bought the Heroes Fallen tribute book UNTOLD TALES FROM IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN (http://fookyoutwit.com/2011/07/12/untold-tales-from-iraq-and-afghanistan-the-comic-book/) and I see those people listed as guests and I happen to be in that area so I think, cool, I'll stop buy to show my support and maybe get some autographs, so I buy a ticket and go in and they're not there. That's false advertising. If I complained, would I get my money back?

Same way if I were to go there specifically to buy a special Indiana Jones map (since it's listed as the ONLY place to buy them right now), because I want to support a military veterans charity. If there's no proof that any proceeds are actually going to the advertised charities, can I get a refund for that?

Gail Simone
08-29-2011, 06:25 PM
Omar's not causing any problems, is he? No big deal.

KJ!
08-29-2011, 06:41 PM
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m80/KJ_81/olney4.png

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m80/KJ_81/olney5.png


Caps, also showing that the photo is still up as of now, despite Olney's text clearly indicating he knows he shouldn't be lawfully using it.


And I'd love to be a guest, Olney. A limo ride across the Atlantic ocean sounds like a fantastic adventure.

SarahBeach
08-29-2011, 06:47 PM
J.R. -- I wish you would not be so dismissive ---


And I still don't see why anyone gives a damn about pics on Olney's blog. We're the only ones who read it anyway. The more you complain about it, the more he's gonna do it, because he thinks he's punishing people. And I certainly wouldn't dance through his hoops by sending him a nice email about it.

First off, he has photoshopped lettering on that photo saying "Cyber-bullies Unite" - in effect stating that everyone in that picture have engaged in cyber-bullying. However someone may judge the actions of those who have taken part in the YABS thread and this one, there are others in that picture who have NOT done so, and such a characterization is, in fact, libelous toward them by any standard.

I see no reason to let him get away with copyright infringement scott-free -- no matter how common the practice of reposting images from the internet actually is. He is using the picture for his own purposes which do no one any good but himself.

You will note that my suggestion was that this time -- and by implication every time from now on -- when he posts a picture without permission from the copyright owner, particularly if it is of people around here, complaints be registered with Google (because his blog is on a Google site) for copyright infringement, without further warning him. Let him jump through Google's hoops when they investigate the complaint. He knows bloodly well he needs permissions for republishing, as shown by his action in getting permission for the pictures on the ComicFest blog.

I don't now if you are aware, but the other reason for requesting a take-down from Google, is to KEEP one's picture from showing up on his blog when image searches are done. Say, for instance, a prospective employer decided to do an image search of me, and his reposting of the picture was the first one that showed up in the image search, rather than the photographer's original post? What will that prospective employer find? They will find Olney's blog post libeling me, trash talking, etc. -- instead of the original posting my friend made, of my picture in the context of participating in the booth for the Greater Los Angeles Writers Society at the LA Times Festival of Books. Do you not see what a BIG difference that could make?

THAT is why we need to formally object to every single inappropriate, infringing use he makes of pictures of us. So, please don't be so dismissive about the matter.

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 06:49 PM
Then go ahead, send him a nice polite email asking him to take it down.

OMAR
08-29-2011, 06:52 PM
"Say, for instance, a prospective employer decided to do an image search of me, and his reposting of the picture was the first one that showed up in the image search, rather than the photographer's original post? What will that prospective employer find? They will find Olney's blog post libeling me, trash talking, etc. -- instead of the original posting my friend made, of my picture in the context of participating in the booth for the Greater Los Angeles Writers Society at the LA Times Festival of Books. Do you not see what a BIG difference that could make?"

That's actually a pretty good point. In all seriousness, have any of the creative types who post in this thread felt any concerns about that kind of impact? Some employers might think, regardless of who is right or wrong, they just don't need to get involved with someone who is known to engage in (extremely long) internet crusades.

HamsterRage
08-29-2011, 06:56 PM
"Say, for instance, a prospective employer decided to do an image search of me, and his reposting of the picture was the first one that showed up in the image search, rather than the photographer's original post? What will that prospective employer find? They will find Olney's blog post libeling me, trash talking, etc. -- instead of the original posting my friend made, of my picture in the context of participating in the booth for the Greater Los Angeles Writers Society at the LA Times Festival of Books. Do you not see what a BIG difference that could make?"

That's actually a pretty good point. In all seriousness, have any of the creative types who post in this thread felt any concerns about that kind of impact? Some employers might think, regardless of who is right or wrong, they just don't need to get involved with someone who is known to engage in (extremely long) internet crusades.

You mean like yours against John Byrne and multiple other comic creators? Or how you have a reputation for being the biggest Internet pain in the ass in comics?

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 06:57 PM
Oh, good grief...

OMAR
08-29-2011, 07:00 PM
I didn't think that would make anyone mad. And I thought it was relevant to the topic of creators speaking out against Olney. I was trying to make up for mentioning Papergirl.

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-29-2011, 07:04 PM
And the Award Goes to Jim MacQuarrie:

I know Joe slightly from the local cartoonists' society; I gave him a heads-up a couple of weeks ago. He's nobody's fool, he is fully aware of Olney's reputation, and I'm sure he will not do anything unless he receives airfare and any promised appearance fees in advance. We all know that's not going to happen. So please, everybody, don't go bothering him or anyone else that Olney may announce. Give the information and then no further pestering. Answer questions if they ask, or refer them to Tom, Tony, Gail or myself if you like.

Remember, just because a guest is announced, it doesn't necessarily mean they have actually signed anything. They may be "tentative" (they haven't yet said no). So no pitchforks and torches, right?

Well, although you won the award, I have to correct you there, Mr. MacQuarrie, because everyone announced DID sign an appearance agreement. We wouldn't list them unless they did.
So yes, Josef did sign an appearance agreement.

Now as far as harassing and badgering the guests of the Adirondack ComicFest -- the damage has already been done to some, so we'll have to see how that all shakes out. Again, there are NO TENTATIVE guests listed on the Adirondack ComicFest blogspot site.


Now Rick is saying that because of people "badgering" his guests, he will not be listing them anymore. And how is that good promoting???

Another Double Secret Convention from Rick. I guess this way, he can say that even his pal George Lucas showed up and gave everyone free Ric Olie dolls and Todd MacFarlane was there with those Orca (Bad guy from Spawn) toys he made to promote Rick's organization. Hell, I'll bet even Angelina Jolie shows up now, to sign copies of the Wanted DVD's.

Sometimes he's so mind-numbingly stupid, you almost pity him. Almost.

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 07:08 PM
Now Rick is saying that because of people "harassing" his guests, he will not be listing them anymore. And how is that good promoting???

And that certainly shouldn't raise any red flags among those invited guests, should it? Some promoter hires me to go to his convention but then I see that he's not advertising me on the official blog as a guest? Gee, that seems like a normal legitimate organization, what could possibly go wrong?

KJ!
08-29-2011, 07:08 PM
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m80/KJ_81/olney6.png

New post.

He really is starting to melt down, tsk tsk.

Someone's having a bad day.

SarahBeach
08-29-2011, 07:11 PM
J.R., seriously?

Then go ahead, send him a nice polite email asking him to take it down.

You do know the games he plays, right? You have been paying attention, have you not? He has been given request after request after request, polite and otherwise, according to his nit-picky requirements, and he will still leave pictures up. As I said, he knows bloodly well that he is infringing on copyright. My suggestion was to step up the game, and stop even bothering with him, and simply go to Google to report the infringement. We now have PROOF (in his actually getting permissions for pictures he really cares about keeping up on his site) that he knows the legal issues. He can no longer plead that he didn't know he needed to get permission.

Omar... you are not amusing. I don't care if a search of my name turns up my involvement in this crusade. I would be quite happy to justify that to a prospective employer. But I will not have my image on his site or connected to anything he has written if I can by any means prevent it. This is my right to control the use of my likeness. If, by some chance, Olney happened to take a picture of me using his own camera, at best I could protest the use of my image, and that would be all. But I will not give him a single inch otherwise. My reputation is mine own to protect. I'm the one that has made it what it is - even regarding this crusade. But I'm not going to let the paramecium have any power in defining it. Are we clear there? Because this is all I'm going to respond to from you: you have no standing with me to pull the "arbiteur of behavior" act. I might accept that from MacQuarrie or Tom Stillwell, because I respect them. You? Let us say, you have not impressed me in any fashion. I only dignified you with this answer because it ties into what I was saying to J.R. regarding Olney's use of photos.

J.R. LeMar
08-29-2011, 07:14 PM
Please forget i said anything about the pictures. Do whatever you think you need to do. I'm not stopping anyone.

Tony Isabella
08-29-2011, 07:18 PM
Today has been a walk in the park for Olney.

Tomorrow...not so much.

Tony

OMAR
08-29-2011, 07:19 PM
I didn't mean to use you as an example, Sarah. I just think it's possible that an employer who sees any prospective employee battling it out on the forums might not give that person a chance to "justify" it; they just won't call in the first place. But I have no idea about you in particular, I don't even know what your involvement is or was at all. You've got every right to object to that use of your image; but you're engaged in battle with a nutcase (not me, Olney) and there's no telling what he might do next.

SarahBeach
08-29-2011, 07:19 PM
Please forget i said anything about the pictures. Do whatever you think you need to do. I'm not stopping anyone.

Okay, all is forgiven. I was a little ticked, because I played his "ask nicely" game before, using the email addresses I had at the time - which, since they did not bounce back to me, are technically viable addresses for him. And he was commenting on my public postings of those emails, while also saying "he hadn't heard from me." Made me want to whack him upside the head. So to get that from you... kind of button pushed.

Plus, I just looked at the clock and realized how long it had been since I last ate. I'm protein deprived and it made me cranky. Certainly crankier than I usually would have been. Sorry. Onward. (I'm going to go eat.)

Edit to add -- to Omar --


You've got every right to object to that use of your image; but you're engaged in battle with a nutcase (not me, Olney) and there's no telling what he might do next.

See above my comments to J.R. regarding my fit of crankiness. Same applies. (Actually, I'd better hurry because I'm now feeling the headache coming on).

But as for telling what he might do next .... heh. We've been profiling him for five years now. We've gotten pretty good at predicting his course of actions.

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-29-2011, 07:22 PM
And that certainly shouldn't raise any red flags among those invited guests, should it? Some promoter hires me to go to his convention but then I see that he's not advertising me on the official blog as a guest? Gee, that seems like a normal legitimate organization, what could possibly go wrong?

He's only set it so he can use all that as an excuse when this venture fails. And "the haters/schlubs" get to be the scapegoats, instead of Olney's own ineptitude.

So let's start listing the excuses now...

1) Too many cancelations, so cancel the con.**

2) Too many cancelations, so the con couldn't be promoted the right way, so not enough people showed up to make a profit. Now nobody gets paid.

3) All this drama causes Rick more heart problems, so cancel the show. **

4) All this drama causes Rick's cancer to flare up, so cancel the show.**


5) Couldn't secure the loans needed (again), so cancel the show. **

6) Weather got bad, so nobody showed/show is cancelled. (Which goes back to bad promoting, holding a show in Nov. in upstate NY)

** (probably the week before).

----Feel free anyone, to continue this list!---

But of course, it will all fall back to the...

"The show was the greatest convention, even better that SDCC!!! We had 1 millon people attend, and every guest was paid even more than contracted, and went home happy, even signing up for our Christmas Day show!!! Pictures of everything will be posted soon, along with testimonials, copies of paid invoices, and pots of gold falling from the sky!!! The haters couldn't stop me from being the most beloved promoter since P.T. Barnum!!! And I even announced we signed up 8 bajillion people for the new ORCA Jr. program after giving away 50 gazillion comics, all signed by my great friend Stan Lee, who will be writing the All New & Improved Tales From the Spooky coming out 3 times a month starting when I feel like telling everyone!!! And everyone who badgered my guests, will be getting letters from my leaggle teem soon, and you will all pay!!! I guess I showed all of you!!! NYAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!"

Glenn Barbis Jr.
08-29-2011, 07:22 PM
Today has been a walk in the park for Olney.

Tomorrow...not so much.

Tony

When will we know more on this?!?!?!????? I don't know if I can wait!!!

Gail Simone
08-29-2011, 07:48 PM
The poor people who just want to attend this thing...that's who I feel bad about. If Rick runs it like every other thing he's attached his name to, they're doomed.

JTPencils
08-29-2011, 07:58 PM
You mean like yours against John Byrne and multiple other comic creators? Or how you have a reputation for being the biggest Internet pain in the ass in comics?

Do the words "take it outside, ladies"... mean anything to either of you? If you're going to get into your own personal pissing match... please do it elsewhere. We're trying to clean this place up and NOT look like a "hate bunch". Christmas on a cracker!!!

Gail Simone
08-29-2011, 08:05 PM
Do the words "take it outside, ladies"... mean anything to either of you? If you're going to get into your own personal pissing match... please do it elsewhere. We're trying to clean this place up and NOT look like a "hate bunch". Christmas on a cracker!!!

I would appreciate it if that kind of stuff stayed on other threads, it's old news and not part of the discussion.

HamsterRage
08-29-2011, 08:06 PM
Do the words "take it outside, ladies"... mean anything to either of you? If you're going to get into your own personal pissing match... please do it elsewhere. We're trying to clean this place up and NOT look like a "hate bunch". Christmas on a cracker!!!

Omar's only purpose in posting here is to stir shit and play innocent. I've said very little in this thread because quite frankly I'm tired of trying to tell grown people about someone who's dirty who they should have the goddamn sense to Google before hand.

But Omar bringing up Bev ( to try and smear Unscrewed) and now trying to passive aggressively attack people in this thread has worked my last goddamn nerve.

JTPencils
08-29-2011, 08:09 PM
Did I go to far? I'm just trying to avoid bringing up old (and unrelated) gibberish into this discussion.

Tom Stillwell
08-29-2011, 08:20 PM
Your face is old and unrelated gibberish!

Tom Stillwell
08-29-2011, 08:33 PM
Whenever I think of Olney making threats about suing and/or contacting the authorities I think of this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUAn_dHMnbs&feature=related

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 11:18 PM
I didn't think that would make anyone mad. And I thought it was relevant to the topic of creators speaking out against Olney. I was trying to make up for mentioning Papergirl.
That's an interesting approach; do you view all internet activities as transactional? In other words, you have to post something "good" in order to "make up for" something negative? I've never encountered anyone who looks at human interaction that way.

Among socialized people, when one makes a faux pas (such as bringing up a person who has departed after behaving shamefully), the appropriate action is not trying to "make up for it" by starting another line of conversation; it's to apologize for the gaffe. The best way to follow up the apology is to shut up.

Just saying.

MacQuarrie
08-29-2011, 11:23 PM
I love it when Olney gets pissy with me on his blog; it means I've gotten to him.

SarahBeach
08-30-2011, 12:31 AM
I love it when Olney gets pissy with me on his blog; it means I've gotten to him.

I was tempted to comment that calling you a horse's ass wasn't going to impress you -- I've heard your daughter call you worse and seen you continue on unfazed and even grinning.

Tony Isabella
08-30-2011, 01:34 AM
Today in Tony Isabella's Bloggy Thing:

Return of the Vile One.

You can read it at:

http://tonyisabella.blogspot.com/

Artful Angie
08-30-2011, 02:22 AM
Does anyone have any of his email press releases still where he talks about his con's proceeds going to the Mohawk Valley chapter of the Make-A-Wish Foundation?

If you do, please let me know, or contact the NYS Attorney General's Fraud # that Mac posted a while back.

Because that is ABSOLUTE PROOF of Rick trying to raise money for a NON EXISTENT charity!

He finally put his foot in it with that one if he has no proof he provided any money he raised to a charity that never existed.

Artful Angie
08-30-2011, 02:27 AM
Today in Tony Isabella's Bloggy Thing:

Return of the Vile One.

You can read it at:

http://tonyisabella.blogspot.com/

Well said, sir!

Kal El
08-30-2011, 02:36 AM
I still laugh at Rick's claim that the police are monitoring this thread and specifically Angie, because one read through would be all that was needed for them to promptly turn around and arrest him.

AIPman1
08-30-2011, 03:00 AM
Shelly and I have discussed it, and I think we're going to move the whole thing to a WordPress install as soon as we can. Probably the biggest help we'd need would be in creating, locating and organizing content; not only as regards Olney, but information on other publishers, resources, the law, etc.

Not a big fan of Wordpress myself, but If given a specific: Here is XXX, please take it and post it as YYY, I would gladly help on that. Are you planning to keep a forum going? I can offer a forum section in the Dimestore set-up, something un-official that we just have open for people to bring things up if they have scam-reports, that I can then report to you guys' attention...since we already have active moderation and such, it would at least keep that kind of open reporting available. As we're working to develop the Magazine and Hall of Fame further, we have an interest in keeping people educated about protecting themselves from "being olney-ed" by anyone.

Anyway, just let me know, and thanks for the permission to link over to your URL, I feel that we all need to do as much as we can to educate beginners as soon as possible.

J.R. LeMar
08-30-2011, 04:22 AM
Today in Tony Isabella's Bloggy Thing:

Return of the Vile One.

You can read it at:

http://tonyisabella.blogspot.com/


I would have used a more neutral title, without "Vile One" (or "Vile Thing" as the url says (http://tonyisabella.blogspot.com/2011/08/return-of-vile-thing.html)) in it, maybe something like the first sentence "Rick Olney's at it again".
Both to make it seems less like a personal insult and more like just like a simple statement of facts, but also because by putting his name in the title it raises the probability of the link showing up in search when someone Googles the name. And, on that note, I would have also added a few actual links to other site that show examples of the behavior you refer to in the blog.

Tony Isabella
08-30-2011, 05:10 AM
Hey, JR...you're not the editor of me. :)

But feel free to link to the blog however you want.

I chose not to include links in the piece because I didn't want to bog down the readers with too much information. They can do a Google search on Olney to get more information. My main goal was to warn people about his newest imaginary convention and not rehash his entire unpleasant history.

Gail Simone
08-30-2011, 06:54 AM
Tony has written twelve billion columns, he knows his way around them. ;)


I don't think anyone's bugging Matt, people seem to be responding to what he's said. Everyone still seems to be giving him the benefit of the doubt, which is as it should be, in my opinion.

Tony Isabella
08-30-2011, 06:56 AM
Tony has written twelve billion columns, he knows his way around them. ;)

After the first ten billion, they get easier.

Gail Simone
08-30-2011, 07:20 AM
Seriously though, Tony, it kind of amazes me how many columns you have done. I run out of things to say even during the interviews I do. I don't know how you do it and still stay interesting.

MacQuarrie
08-30-2011, 07:23 AM
I was tempted to comment that calling you a horse's ass wasn't going to impress you -- I've heard your daughter call you worse and seen you continue on unfazed and even grinning.
I've been called a lot worse by a lot better than him. Sticks & stones, y'know?

Besides, while he's sitting there thinking he's striking a great blow against me, he's actually dragging Joe Rubenstein's name into this mess and calling unnecessary attention to that good man, which can only serve to make Olney look worse. The more he struts and frets, the worse he looks. Using my comment about Joe as a way to mock me will most likely just lower Joe's opinion of him. And Joe does not seem to me to be one to sit quietly and meekly when his sense of moral outrage has been provoked.

MacQuarrie
08-30-2011, 07:26 AM
Tony, excellent summation of the goings-on, especially the details about his absurd contract.

KJ!
08-30-2011, 07:33 AM
Tony, excellent summation of the goings-on, especially the details about his absurd contract.

Absurd for him.

Otherwise it's a dream contract. You can get out of it pretty much whenever you want, you have little requirements, he has a TON.

Dream contract!

Tony Isabella
08-30-2011, 07:45 AM
seriously though, tony, it kind of amazes me how many columns you have done. I run out of things to say even during the interviews i do. I don't know how you do it and still stay interesting.

acting!

THEDOC
08-30-2011, 07:48 AM
Today in Tony Isabella's Bloggy Thing:

Return of the Vile One.

You can read it at:

http://tonyisabella.blogspot.com/

A great read!!

THEDOC
08-30-2011, 07:51 AM
After the first ten billion, they get easier.

You should gather your columns into a book.

Matt Doc Martin
08-30-2011, 09:00 AM
You should gather your columns into a book.

With billions of articles it would be a HUGE book.

Longer than the list of creditors Rick Olney owes money to!

Kevin T Brown
08-30-2011, 09:01 AM
With billions of articles it would be a HUGE book.

Longer than the list of creditors Rick Olney owes money to!Only slightly longer!

Tony Isabella
08-30-2011, 09:28 AM
Today's blog has the most page views of any I've done in my two weeks at this new venue. Of course, that may just be Olney's army of legal lawyers visiting the blog.

Matt Doc Martin
08-30-2011, 10:53 AM
Today's blog has the most page views of any I've done in my two weeks at this new venue. Of course, that may just be Olney's army of legal lawyers visiting the blog.

Does it now smell like cheeseburgers and McNuggets?

MacQuarrie
08-30-2011, 11:19 AM
Olney says: "Josef did sign an appearance agreement."

Is it the same one everyone else signed? The one that obligates you to jump through all sorts of hoops and obligates them to do nothing? The one that has all kinds of penalties if you fail to live up to the contract, and places no demands or sanctions upon the guest? That agreement? The worthless one that means nothing to them and everything to you? Of course he signed it; who wouldn't?

If (when) you cancel the event, you may have to pay them all their appearance fees anyway. How many times can you shoot yourself in the foot, you idiot?

Matt Doc Martin
08-30-2011, 11:31 AM
Olney says: "Josef did sign an appearance agreement."

Is it the same one everyone else signed? The one that obligates you to jump through all sorts of hoops and obligates them to do nothing? The one that has all kinds of penalties if you fail to live up to the contract, and places no demands or sanctions upon the guest? That agreement? The worthless one that means nothing to them and everything to you? Of course he signed it; who wouldn't?

If (when) you cancel the event, you may have to pay them all their appearance fees anyway. How many times can you shoot yourself in the foot, you idiot?

RICK OLNEY: If you want me showing up as a guest for your "con", send me a copy of this agreement. I would be happy to sign it, and sue you for failing to hold up your end.

Gail Simone
08-30-2011, 11:38 AM
I want to go to Tony Isabella's garage con!

Artful Angie
08-30-2011, 11:41 AM
Has anyone actually started running up the tally to see how much this is all "costing" Rick to begin with?

Coppervale Studio
08-30-2011, 11:55 AM
Those 6 names for Matt or anyone else who doesn't know are:

Dave Ryan
Dave Hoover
Clayton Murwin
Michael Kellar
Arvell Jones
Valerie Finnigan

I would assume Nick Jones Jr is also NOT going to be there since he's the official spokesman for Heroes Fallen Studios and everyone else from that group has cancelled. Could Clayton or Michael confirm to make it official and lucky number 7?

One of his other Big guests is more than likely not going. Especially since he'd have to be paid first before getting on the plane.

Coppervale Studio
08-30-2011, 11:56 AM
I want to go to Tony Isabella's garage con!

I want to as well... SO. BAD.

MacQuarrie
08-30-2011, 12:07 PM
One of his other Big guests is more than likely not going. Especially since he'd have to be paid first before getting on the plane.
Ideally, that little detail will be a factor for all the guests.

If nothing else, people need to understand that Olney will not reimburse anyone for anything, no matter what he promises. If he wants any of his guests to show up, he needs to deliver airfare and confirmed accommodations; I really can't believe anyone would be so gullible as to trust him to cover it after the fact.

That ought to be our message: if you want to accept Olney's invitation, go for it, but have the good sense to not do anything unless and until he sends you the money. Do not spend a dime helping him to facilitate this thing. Do not go out of pocket on the promise of reimbursement. Do not pay for anything yourself. If he wants you there, his contract says he has to get you there. And if he fails to provide the agreed-upon transportation, he still has to pay your appearance fee.

Tickets for the convention have not yet gone on sale. Most conventions try for early ticket sales, so that they will have more money on hand in advance for expenses. With no advance sales, everything involved in this con is coming out of somebody's pocket. Given the number of times Rick has cried poor-mouth over the years, we can be reasonably certain that there's nothing in his pocket, and we know that his "backers" and "investors" are imaginary. We also know that nobody but nobody is going to spend money to go to a convention with no guests in the middle of nowhere, driving for hours over country roads in winter, so ticket sales are just not gonna happen.

At this point, we can all just pretty much sit back and watch the whole thing slowly crumble.

SarahBeach
08-30-2011, 12:16 PM
Has anyone actually started running up the tally to see how much this is all "costing" Rick to begin with?

Every time he adds yet another special guest, and insists that everyone who originally agreed to come will indeed still come, I really start wondering.

Because after all, that precious contract of his requires him to pay them their airfares (which THEY get to arrange!). And they have every right to expect that particular payment to be made in advance of the convention. At the very least, he's looking at, what? $5,000 for all those round trips? Because I don't think any of his guests are anything like local to the venue, are they? Where do they fly into, and what kind of transportation will get them from that airport to New Forge?

How has he funded this, because I cannot imagine that the site costs AND these transportation costs can possibly be met by a teeny, tiny convention in an out-of-the-way place in upstate New York in November on a holiday weekend. Given his prices for admission... how many attendees would he need to make those costs? Say the price were $25 (he has it listed as $23 for the TWO day pass -- not clear still about what's up with Friday, since the two day pass is for Saturday and Sunday) per adult. He would need 200 people paying that just to clear $5,000 in income. That's just not going to happen. (Mythcon, a respected literary conference focusing on fantasy literature usually has between 125 and 170 attendees -- and we budget accordingly.)

I can only imagine the other costs involved -- tables, room rates for the meeting facilities, food budget, electrical equipment. Perhaps he thinks these things magically take care of themselves.

When I chaired Mythcon in 2009, our contract with the UCLA facilities was pages and pages, carefully spelling out the needs of tables, chairs, audio equipment, any video equipment needed, stands for signs, the rentals for the specific rooms we were using. We made sure every need we were likely to have in making the event run smoothly was in place. From what I've read of Olney's past events ... he's a terrible planner. I mean, not just the stories of the 2003 MMC, but the trip taking the ORCA kids to NYC to the Marvel offices, "running a booth" or even a panel at PittCon, the general mismanagement of his messageboards (HIS mismanagement, not that of those who tried to serve as moderators for him). When I look at the little bits we've turned up, based on my experience all I see ahead for him is disaster.

MacQuarrie
08-30-2011, 12:29 PM
"Never interfere with your enemy while he is engaged in the business of destroying himself." -- Sun-Tzu

Maybe come November a bunch of people will be asking for help suing to claim their appearance fees for the canceled convention.

Coppervale Studio
08-30-2011, 12:42 PM
Mac - that's the thing: if he's starting to DE-emphasize who the guests are because he's worried that people are going to warn them about him, then what's the difference? A convention with SECRET guests isn't any more attractive than a convention with NO guests.

And Sarah (who HAS run a conference, expertly and efficiently) has a good point: if the contract he sent people requires THEM to arrange travel, and he HASN'T planned for this, he's going to get into trouble over that alone, nevermind appearance fees.

MacQuarrie
08-30-2011, 12:53 PM
And Sarah (who HAS run a conference, expertly and efficiently) has a good point: if the contract he sent people requires THEM to arrange travel, and he HASN'T planned for this, he's going to get into trouble over that alone, nevermind appearance fees.
It does both! It includes requirements that he provide both airline tickets and money for airline tickets.

3. This agreement shall not be effective until signed by both parties in accordance with the foregoing.

VENUE SHALL FURNISH AT ITS SOLE EXPENSE THE FOLLOWING:
A. ROUND TRIP Transportation from point of departure to event site.

B. MONIES FOR AIRFARE TICKETS.

C. HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS.

D. LIMOUSINE/TRANSPORTATION Accommodations to/from point of departure.

I love it.

Matt Doc Martin
08-30-2011, 12:59 PM
It does both! It includes requirements that he provide both airline tickets and money for airline tickets.

3. This agreement shall not be effective until signed by both parties in accordance with the foregoing.

VENUE SHALL FURNISH AT ITS SOLE EXPENSE THE FOLLOWING:
A. ROUND TRIP Transportation from point of departure to event site.

B. MONIES FOR AIRFARE TICKETS.

C. HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS.

D. LIMOUSINE/TRANSPORTATION Accommodations to/from point of departure.

I love it.

And again, Rick Olney has declared "Rick Olney" as the venue?

SarahBeach
08-30-2011, 01:01 PM
It does both! It includes requirements that he provide both airline tickets and money for airline tickets.

3. This agreement shall not be effective until signed by both parties in accordance with the foregoing.

VENUE SHALL FURNISH AT ITS SOLE EXPENSE THE FOLLOWING:
A. ROUND TRIP Transportation from point of departure to event site.

B. MONIES FOR AIRFARE TICKETS.

C. HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS.

D. LIMOUSINE/TRANSPORTATION Accommodations to/from point of departure.

I love it.

See, I don't think he was paying attention when he made alterations on the contract. Because that Item B was something he altered to indicate that he would give the guests the money for the tickets. By implication, that means he was leaving it up to the guests to make their travel arrangements, at least as far as the nearest airport. My interpretation of that was actually that he didn't want to be bothered with making detailed travel arrangements for X number of guests ahead of time: it's a lot of work coordinating the travels of, say, 6 people from wherever they are to wherever you want them to be. Easier to throw money at them. But by relinquishing the oversight of the arrangements to the guests, he's basically stuck with whatever they choose. He has not specified limitations ("coach rate") or preferred times, etc. They could all choose to fly first-class and according to what I read in the contract, he'd be obligated to pay for those tickets.

It's like watching a penguin trying to run in a thoroughbred horse race.

Coppervale Studio
08-30-2011, 01:02 PM
It does both! It includes requirements that he provide both airline tickets and money for airline tickets.

3. This agreement shall not be effective until signed by both parties in accordance with the foregoing.

VENUE SHALL FURNISH AT ITS SOLE EXPENSE THE FOLLOWING:
A. ROUND TRIP Transportation from point of departure to event site.

B. MONIES FOR AIRFARE TICKETS.

C. HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS.

D. LIMOUSINE/TRANSPORTATION Accommodations to/from point of departure.

I love it.

HOLY CRAPOLA. That's... That's just.... Um.

SarahBeach
08-30-2011, 01:02 PM
And again, Rick Olney has declared "Rick Olney" as the venue?

Certainly, Matt! He's a sight to be seen, doncha know?!

:D

Coppervale Studio
08-30-2011, 01:16 PM
See, I don't think he was paying attention when he made alterations on the contract. Because that Item B was something he altered to indicate that he would give the guests the money for the tickets. By implication, that means he was leaving it up to the guests to make their travel arrangements, at least as far as the nearest airport. My interpretation of that was actually that he didn't want to be bothered with making detailed travel arrangements for X number of guests ahead of time: it's a lot of work coordinating the travels of, say, 6 people from wherever they are to wherever you want them to be. Easier to throw money at them. But by relinquishing the oversight of the arrangements to the guests, he's basically stuck with whatever they choose. He has not specified limitations ("coach rate") or preferred times, etc. They could all choose to fly first-class and according to what I read in the contract, he'd be obligated to pay for those tickets.

It's like watching a penguin trying to run in a thoroughbred horse race.

His plan is probably to get THEM to front all the costs, which he'll gladly (offer to) reimburse later (after his mega-successful convention rakes in the Big Bucks). This is known as the "Simone Maneuver".

Flamebird
08-30-2011, 02:08 PM
HOLY CRAPOLA. That's... That's just.... Um.

Bet you wish you were a guest now, don't ya?

;)

Michael W. Kellar
08-30-2011, 04:00 PM
I have a question, why didn't the "Adirondathon Silent Partners" (since they are the ones "paying" for this and have "ALL" the money) hire an attorney to draft a legal binding contract that would have given both parties the option to cancel on their own accord with a 30 day notice to the other party, instead of taking the easy way out of copy & paste with slight modifications? I guess they are saving the money for another occasion!
Oh well, doesn't matter on my end, but I was just curious!

Coppervale Studio
08-30-2011, 04:06 PM
I have a question, if the contracts are "legit", wouldn't the "Adirondathon Silent Partners" (since they are the ones "paying" for this and have "ALL" the money) have hired an attorney to draft a legal binding contract that would have given both parties the option to cancel on their own accord with a 30 day notice to the other party, instead of taking the easy way out of copy & paste with slight modifications? I guess they are saving the money for another occasion!


This post ought to have him fuming - you used at least twelve words that Rick doesn't even know how to pronounce, much less use in a sentence.

leftwingnutcase
08-30-2011, 04:09 PM
I have a question, if the contracts are "legit", wouldn't the "Adirondathon Silent Partners" (since they are the ones "paying" for this and have "ALL" the money) have hired an attorney to draft a legal binding contract that would have given both parties the option to cancel on their own accord with a 30 day notice to the other party, instead of taking the easy way out of copy & paste with slight modifications? I guess they are saving the money for another occasion!
Oh well, doesn't matter on my end, because, I won't be there in November!

Olney has since posted that he is the sole organzer.

Artful Angie
08-30-2011, 05:25 PM
Olney has since posted that he is the sole organzer.

Until it all goes horribly wrong for him. Then he'll pin the blame on how "the organizers he work for" refused to listen to his obviously brilliant ideas.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-30-2011, 05:27 PM
I find it's always a good idea from time to time to go back through old entries Rick posts. It's to see what he has deleted and lately, what he has updated with different information. I don't believe this has been posted here yet? I'm unsure when it was changed.


UPDATE: As we are bound to donate all proceeds to a charitable group(s) helping wounded or war affected veterans -- Adirondathon shall PURCHASE the exact number of posters needed to fulfill the offer to our guests, staff and volunteers -- as well as in regarding the on site special drawing for the opportunity for some lucky person(s) to walk away with one of these limited edition and very special collectable Indiana Jones World Maps so skillfully crafted by Artist, Matt Busch. Expect another update in the near future on HOW people unable to attend the November Adirondack ComicFest will be able to reserve and purchase any left over unsold posters!
http://adirondackcomicfest.blogspot.com/2011/07/perk-for-guests-staff-volunteers.html

It would be interesting to know how much Rick is allegedly paying for the maps since he's the one who is supposed to have funded them in the first place.

Artful Angie
08-30-2011, 05:35 PM
I find it's always a good idea from time to time to go back through old entries Rick posts. It's to see what he has deleted and lately, what he has updated with different information. I don't believe this has been posted here yet? I'm unsure when it was changed.

http://adirondackcomicfest.blogspot.com/2011/07/perk-for-guests-staff-volunteers.html

It would be interesting to know how much Rick is allegedly paying for the maps since he's the one who is supposed to have funded them in the first place.

So he gave money to Matt in order to cover the cost of production, advertised how he was going to give them away for free to volunteers & staff (as part of their "goodies" I believe he called them), but now plans to pay for them (AGAIN) to give them to his family and friends- um, I mean, those volunteers and staff.

THE_DAREDIVA
08-30-2011, 05:45 PM
It interests me that Rick said he was planning to give one of these to each volunteer and guest, and some to various groups. Matt Busch has stated that only 255 of these were printed, with 5 going back to Lucasfilms, I think. Olney's not counting on much of a crowd if he's giving these away to every "guest", which I would conclude is a paid admission.

I sincerely hope Matt has not already shipped these to Rick. If he has, he'll likely never see anything of them again, nor any money going to the intended causes.

MacQuarrie
08-30-2011, 06:09 PM
It interests me that Rick said he was planning to give one of these to each volunteer and guest, and some to various groups. Matt Busch has stated that only 255 of these were printed, with 5 going back to Lucasfilms, I think. Olney's not counting on much of a crowd if he's giving these away to every "guest", which I would conclude is a paid admission.
"Guest" in Rick-world means "invited special guests'" in other words, celebrities, comic artists, etc. Convention attendees are not guests.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-30-2011, 06:11 PM
It interests me that Rick said he was planning to give one of these to each volunteer and guest, and some to various groups. Matt Busch has stated that only 255 of these were printed, with 5 going back to Lucasfilms, I think. Olney's not counting on much of a crowd if he's giving these away to every "guest", which I would conclude is a paid admission.

I sincerely hope Matt has not already shipped these to Rick. If he has, he'll likely never see anything of them again, nor any money going to the intended causes.

From reading his entries, "guests" would be the people Rick has been able to sign. By my count and pretending Rick actually thinks all those people are coming the number is currently at 19. Add in the convention photographer he bragged about. The person who is supposed to be doing interviews, handling advertising, the charitable groups on hand, we are talking a minimum of 25 at the very least he would have had to buy.

Matt Busch's initial selling price in his store was $29.99. They sold so well and because he wanted to raise the maximum money possible for charity, he raised the price multiple times and it sold out at a price of $59.95

Let's pretend again that Rick wants to make sure the very most money goes to charity. To do that, he'd pay the last price right? So 25 maps at $59.95 would have cost Rick $1,318.90. If Rick paid the original price it should have cost, 25 at $29.99 is a total of $659.78

That is of course assuming 25 maps. Rick I am sure will claim to need to have bought many more than that.

If Rick really cared about selling the most maps and making the most money for charity, all 250 maps would be sold through Matt Busch's online store. Except then Matt would have full control of the proceeds and Rick wouldn't see a dime.

Jim Ritchey
08-30-2011, 06:11 PM
I hear even The Magic Talking FishTM who only Rick can see is screening his calls. No surprise his Ghostly Leaggle TeamTM are writing bad contracts and Silent, Invisible, Intangible PartnersTM are haters who are conspiring with the Freemasons and YABS to bring The Great Rick OlneyTM to his knees.

Gail Simone
08-31-2011, 07:55 AM
I'm kind of honored that I know the award-wining Macquarrie, whom, as you all know, recently received the coveted Jackass award. Congrats, Mac!

KJ!
08-31-2011, 07:57 AM
His obsession with asses is absolutely terrifying.

MacQuarrie
08-31-2011, 07:57 AM
I'm kind of honored that I know the award-wining Macquarrie, whom, as you all know, recently received the coveted Jackass award. Congrats, Mac!
I've cleared a spot for it on my trophy shelf. I hope Rick sends it soon.

KJ!
08-31-2011, 07:58 AM
Welcome to page 300.

Let's hope this thread never has to get to page 400, as Olney will change his ways, pay the people he owes, and right those he's wronged.

KJ!
08-31-2011, 07:58 AM
Damnit.

MacQuarrie
08-31-2011, 07:59 AM
His obsession with asses is absolutely terrifying.
That's because very early in his career, he received a coveted trophy made in the shape of a cat's rear end. He adopted that prize as a symbol of himself and tried to live up to it. Today he is a cat-ass-trophy.

KJ!
08-31-2011, 08:03 AM
That's so awful I love it.

Gail Simone
08-31-2011, 08:14 AM
There really is something very sick and freakish about his obsession with shit and feces. I mean, he talks about it constantly, seems incredibly comfortable with imagery of it.

Just the idea that he roots around looking for pictures of shit-filled toilets is disturbing as hell.

KJ!
08-31-2011, 08:33 AM
Those photos for his cosplay bit are catalogue shots for Halloween costumes. IE. from an actual company that probably has lawyers and stuff.

I'm SURE he has the correct permission to use those in connection with his con, right?

Gail Simone
08-31-2011, 08:33 AM
And again, it was the front page, the first image, of his supposedly family-friendly website for ages...a shit filled toilet was the only image kids would have if they were interested in Orca or Tightlip or any of Rick's other imaginary efforts.

Gross.

Gail Simone
08-31-2011, 08:34 AM
Those photos for his cosplay bit are catalogue shots for Halloween costumes. IE. from an actual company that probably has lawyers and stuff.

I'm SURE he has the correct permission to use those in connection with his con, right?

I believe he does have a credit and thank you somewhere on the page, KJ.

MyNameIsNotLarry
08-31-2011, 09:17 AM
Those photos for his cosplay bit are catalogue shots for Halloween costumes. IE. from an actual company that probably has lawyers and stuff.

I'm SURE he has the correct permission to use those in connection with his con, right?
Funny thing about that. After we pointed out to Rick on numerous occasions the need to get permission for posting certain things he went out of his way twice to note he had permission. Once with those pictures and once with Joe Rubinstein's bio. Well those costume photos from a quick Google search up on dozens and dozens of sites, including Amazon.com. So the costume store that allegedly gave him permission, likely never had permission either. Joe's bio is taken from Comic Vine which is like Wikipedia in that anyone with an account can edit the pages. So I can't see why he'd need permission from Joe to use it since Joe never even wrote it.

Of course the things he posts that really do need permission he never gets because he knows he can't or because he is too clueless to realize.