Rick Remender's UNCANNY X-FORCE

[HOOKS]

Rich Johnston had a story about the new book at Bleeding Cool (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/13/marvel-to-announce-uncanny-x-force-at-san-diego-wolverine-archangel-fantomex-deadpool-and-psylocke/), and some digging around Marvel's site turned up the following images:

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/13213storystory_full-9050680..jpg
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/resized/391f92c58119f5f24b68818093057c6b.jpg

[MabusRex]

Bought. SOOOOOO bought. Though wtf is going on with Warren's wings in that first cover?

[Matt Jay]

Interesante.

[Tim Simmons]

interesting.
I got to be a real fan of this book since Messiah Complex-- even with the departure of Kyle and Yost, I'm willing to check this book out.
I like Rick-- but, man-- he's got some big shoes to fill.

[HOOKS]

I wonder if I dig some more, I'll find images to other stuff that's not supposed to be revealed yet.

...

[CS Ambrose]

No surprises on the roster but I'll still be buying it.

[MabusRex]

True, Tim. True. It'll be weird to see the dynamic change under a different writer. :-\

Though I swear if Land is the artist, I'm retracting my "bought".

[Foolish Mortal]

Well Fantomex showing up is sure to bring in people. Everybody loves that guy.

"Explicit Content"? So is this going to be a Marvel Max title, or does it take place in the Marvelverse but with a mature readers label?

[Matt Jay]

interesting.
I got to be a real fan of this book since Messiah Complex-- even with the departure of Kyle and Yost, I'm willing to check this book out.
I like Rick-- but, man-- he's got some big shoes to fill.

I'm glad to see him on a book this high profile. It'll be awesome.

[Gordon Chumway]

So, two questions...

Is Wolverine's daughter no longer "cool"?

When did Arch-angel get metal wings again?

[Foolish Mortal]

http://i30.tinypic.com/mrpa2c.jpg

*Wolverine looks at everyone*

"Hmm. Guess I better get a gun..."

[HOOKS]

So, two questions...

Is Wolverine's daughter no longer "cool"?

She's cool enough to get her own series in September.


When did Arch-angel get metal wings again?

X-FORCE (vol 3) #3.

[Jason California]

I like the Batman cape effect on Warrens wings.

[Dan-C]

Sign me the fuck up. Hells yes. Although the team could use a little more male/ female balance. Domino would be cool, if she's still alive. I liked her as a part of Kyle/ Yost's team. And I could live without yet another Deadpool appearance.


Well Fantomex showing up is sure to bring in people. Everybody loves that guy.

"Explicit Content"? So is this going to be a Marvel Max title, or does it take place in the Marvelverse but with a mature readers label?

I doubt marvel would ever put an X-Universe book in the MAX line. But that would make it very interesting indeed.

[Jason California]

Those fuckers are going to kill a lot of people. And I don't see any of them having guilt over it later.

[Jason California]

THe first image at least has been up for a while..

[Dan-C]

I wonder if I dig some more, I'll find images to other stuff that's not supposed to be revealed yet.

...

Here's a shovel, can you dig it, fool?

:D

[Howlett]

Looks okay enough, but I'm not sold on the title just yet. I love the current book a lot, I like the premise. But Remender hasn't impressed me that much so far, and Opena isn't among my favourite artists.

I'll check out the first issue at least. If the premise of the team stays the same, and with Fantomex on the team (though I have to say, I hate that redesign in the first pic), it might just win me over. Here's hoping.

[southsidejohnny]

No surprises on the roster but I'll still be buying it.

i think betsy is surprising. x-men dont kill.

[danlomb]

Another Deadpool book, yet Atlas ends with issue #5.

*shakes head*

[southsidejohnny]

So, two questions...

Is Wolverine's daughter no longer "cool"?

When did Arch-angel get metal wings again?

genetic twin......not daughter

[Superior Kiai]

I am all over this.

[artimoff]

another deadpool book, yet atlas ends with issue #5.
*shakes head*

fuck!

[JamesV]

Bought. SOOOOOO bought. Though wtf is going on with Warren's wings in that first cover?

These three sentences mirror my thoughts exactly.

[Ego Lives!]

Bought. SOOOOOO bought. Though wtf is going on with Warren's wings in that first cover?

Whatever is going on is what made me think maybe it was Gambit and his trenchcoat behind the blob. Now I'm just stuck with funky wing Archangel

[GrandeMaestro Fünke]

That cover's pretty cool. I hope Vanisher and Domino join the team at some point/the roster expands.

Second Coming Spoilers

Too bad Cable's gone. I would love to see him and Deadpool back together, and it'd really help make the book feel like X-Force.

[David Aspmo]

I'll check it out - I like the cast (better than the last one, at least - Wolfsbane never should have been in that book), and Remender is a writer I've been meaning to give a shot.

Very odd use of the "uncanny" adjective, though.

[HOOKS]

That cover's pretty cool. I hope Vanisher and Domino join the team at some point/the roster expands.

Second Coming Spoilers

Too bad Cable's gone. I would love to see him and Deadpool back together, and it'd really help make the book feel like X-Force.

:cry:

[CS Ambrose]

She does.

I meant based on the blackout image from a while back.

[Fake Pat]

If this is the no-inker Opena we saw on the first few issues of the new Moon Knight...

yes, oh yes.

[CS Ambrose]

Another Deadpool book, yet Atlas ends with issue #5.

*shakes head*

Atlas is ending? Since when!?

[Fake Pat]

Atlas is ending? Since when!?

Today.

[Zac Goyette]

Holy shit I can't wait.

[Tim Simmons]

True, Tim. True. It'll be weird to see the dynamic change under a different writer. :-\

Though I swear if Land is the artist, I'm retracting my "bought".

Ha-- yeah, I mean-- no matter what, it'll be the "Stabby" team-- but, honesty, I think Kyle/Yost really did set a creative bar with their X work. I think they ended up speaking to me in the fact that they played in the sandbox of X-history that I really grew up with. Cameron Hodge, Fall of the Mutants, etc-- hell, I think they even mentioned Inferno by issue number (as a "Danger Room" protocol) at one point.

I honestly think they did a great job on that book-- That's all I'm saying. I'm pulling for Rick to deliver a great book, and I'm sure he will--

[RoShambo]

:rock:
Deadpool as a member of an X-team??
It'll put him a step closer to the acceptance he so desperately craves.
(Unless, of course, it's a secret team to all but those on it...)

[Spidey616]

Fantomex! Ok SOLD!

[Thudpucker]

I tried to like the series but it was too integrated with the other X-books for me.

There were some storylines I really enjoyed (like Rahne reuniting with the Asguardian Wolf Prince) but every time things got interesting the story would get derailed to make room for a Cable and Baby crossover, or a Necrosa crossover, ect.

[hamgravy]

She does.

I meant based on the blackout image from a while back.

Yeah, weren't they teasing this as being comprised of A-List characters you wouldn't expect?

[David Aspmo]

There were some storylines I really enjoyed (like Rahne reuniting with the Asguardian Wolf Prince) but every time things got interesting the story would get derailed to make room for a Cable and Baby crossover, or a Necrosa crossover, ect.
And this follows up on what I was saying above about how Rahne had no business being in this book at all. Her plotlines were always completely divorced from the main stories (after the first story arc anyway - but what happened to her there was just unjustifiably destructive to the character, so that was no good either). She should have just been left in X-Factor - and apparently Peter David would have liked that, too.

[MabusRex]

And this follows up on what I was saying above about how Rahne had no business being in this book at all. Her plotlines were always completely divorced from the main stories (after the first story arc anyway - but what happened to her there was just unjustifiably destructive to the character, so that was no good either). She should have just been left in X-Factor - and apparently Peter David would have liked that, too.

The way Kyle and Yost have explained it was that Rhane's story was always meant to be in the periphery. Basically, she was the case of what happens when good people get mixed up with the bad things X-Force were doing. I won't argue whether that took away what she could have given to X-Factor instead, but she's headed back there, at least ;)

[Jason California]

Rahne was supposed to stick out like a turd in a punch bowl.

[Matt Jay]

But who is the Lancer?!?!

[Thudpucker]

And this follows up on what I was saying above about how Rahne had no business being in this book at all. Her plotlines were always completely divorced from the main stories (after the first story arc anyway - but what happened to her there was just unjustifiably destructive to the character, so that was no good either). She should have just been left in X-Factor - and apparently Peter David would have liked that, too.

Rahne will be back with X-Factor as of issue 208. Really looking forward to that, I wish she'd never left.

[David Aspmo]

The way Kyle and Yost have explained it was that Rhane's story was always meant to be in the periphery. Basically, she was the case of what happens when good people get mixed up with the bad things X-Force were doing. I won't argue whether that took away what she could have given to X-Factor instead, but she's headed back there, at least ;)Hm, well, I wouldn't say they made that point in the stories as clearly as they intended - and even if they had, I don't think it would have justified what was, in a way, breaking that particular "toy in the toybox" worse than if they'd just killed her.

Tangentially related: I remember when the first Wolverine-led group of X-Force was formed in "Messiah Complex", and I always found it jarringly unnatural how they named the group within that storyline. Because the reason they were put together at that point was for the simple fact that they were all the best trackers on the team, not because they were all more violent or willing to kill (which was the defining characteristic that "Force" would have sensibly applied - and did once the actual book came out). It just seemed to be a blatant branding exercise, and it took me out of the story.

[stephenp01]

Good stuff, I like all those characters. I'm pretty sure the roster will expand though, Domino, I'm drawing a blank right now on other people.

[David Aspmo]

Rahne will be back with X-Factor as of issue 208. Really looking forward to that.
Oh yeah, I know. The original PAD-Factor is the reason I like the character in the first place, so as far as I'm concerned it's unquestionably the best place for her. It'll be interesting to see how PAD deals with what has happened to her since he was last writing her.

[michealdark]

Well, that's a team that makes a great deal of sense. I think I'll be getting this, along with X-23 and whatever Domino ends up in.

[Slewo.O]

Funny they didn't put Deadpool in C&Y's version of X-Force because he had his own book at the time. And right after a year of him getting passed around like Herpes he's in the new X-Force.

[southsidejohnny]

warpath and x-23 will be sorely missed.

[Slewo.O]

I'll check it out - I like the cast (better than the last one, at least - Wolfsbane never should have been in that book), and Remender is a writer I've been meaning to give a shot.

Very odd use of the "uncanny" adjective, though.

Funny considering Wolfsbane was almost never in the book.

[The Human Target]

Okay, I might have to turn in my jaded fanboy card and give this a try.

[Thudpucker]

You know, if they had made better use of the character I would be ok with Rahne being on X-Force.

She was only in the book to serve as a punching bag. They traumatized her in the first story arc, doing the worst thing they possibly could to her. Then they do something really great, they reintroduce the Wolf Prince. The thing is they only did something nice for her so that they could set her up for another traumatizing event, then throw her away.

:-?

If fucking Rahne over again and again served the overall story I would get it. It doesn't though, she stayed in the background of the book the whole run and the things that happened to her had little or nothing to do with the main storyline.

I don't get it.

[Thudpucker]

Funny they didn't put Deadpool in C&Y's version of X-Force because he had his own book at the time. And right after a year of him getting passed around like Herpes he's in the new X-Force.


Funny considering Wolfsbane was almost never in the book.

Funny how much you like the word funny.

[Slewo.O]

Except for when the wolf prince sacrificed himself to save Elixir otherwise there was little point to the overall story.

[Slewo.O]

Funny how much you like the word funny.

It's funny how you found the pattern of my using the word funny. :p

[Jef UK]

i think betsy is surprising. x-men dont kill.

In the 80's, that the X-Men would kill is a part of what defined them as outlaws. Wolverine made a speech to Rachel about how they don't murder someone in cold blood, but X-Men definitely kill.

[THWIP!]

I like it. I'll miss Warpath and Domino.

[WhindamPryce]

SOLD like a muthafucka! :rock:

[WhindamPryce]

I like it. I'll miss Warpath and Domino.

Where the hell is Warpath anyway? Has he had any appearances or lines in Second Coming?

[THWIP!]

Also, just because Deadpool is on the team it doesn't make it a Deadpool book. Avengers isn't another Spider-Man book, JLA isn't another Batman book. People need to get over Deadpool being popular now.

[leafinsectman]

I love Betsy, good to know she's in this book. Her and the Pool need an X-Force style black and white costume to match with the team colours.

Regarding the Atlas news... FUUUUUUUUUUCK! Although I had a feeling this was coming when I read about the Gabe Hardman news a week or two ago.

[Slewo.O]

Also, just because Deadpool is on the team it doesn't make it a Deadpool book. Avengers isn't another Spider-Man book, JLA isn't another Batman book. People need to get over Deadpool being popular now.

I'm not pissed about DP being in the book. I'm pissed Marvel went against why they wouldn't allow Yost and Kyle to have him as a member of X-Force. Because he had his own series they didn't wanna trip over. :p

[THWIP!]

I'm not pissed about DP being in the book. I'm pissed Marvel went against why they wouldn't allow Yost and Kyle to have him as a member of X-Force. Because he had his own series they didn't wanna trip over. :p

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the people who posted "urgh another deadpool book? come on!!!""

[southsidejohnny]

I'm not pissed about DP being in the book. I'm pissed Marvel went against why they wouldn't allow Yost and Kyle to have him as a member of X-Force. Because he had his own series they didn't wanna trip over. :p

youre only allowed 7 books per month--not eight

[HOOKS]

Also, just because Deadpool is on the team it doesn't make it a Deadpool book. Avengers isn't another Spider-Man book, JLA isn't another Batman book. People need to get over Deadpool being popular now.

Wolverine's been popular for decades and people are still not over it.

I expect the Deadpool bitching to continue for at least another five years.

[costello]

The first picture is beautiful.

[southsidejohnny]

Where the hell is Warpath anyway? Has he had any appearances or lines in Second Coming?

jimmy left after "making peace with his brother's death" (last issue of necrosha), hasnt been seen since.
sad. great character. had that darkness to him like the rest of x-force. that was one of the things that was so great. the whole team had their dark issues. everyone here disagrees but i think rahne was a great fit for that first arc.
im not so sure on this new x-force will carry that same darkness.
still gonna buy it anyway.8-)

[Slewo.O]

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the people who posted "urgh another deadpool book? come on!!!""

I know you weren't. I was just saying my opinion.

[THWIP!]

Wolverine's been popular for decades and people are still not over it.

I expect the Deadpool bitching to continue for at least another five years.

It's so stupid to be pissed about a character being in so many books. Who fucking cares as long as it's good.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Fantomex's new costume is pretty horrible.

I think his look was one of the main reason's he had as many fans as he did. A super-thief in an all-white costume? Badass. This looks like a rejected early 90's costume.

[leafinsectman]

Fantomex's new costume is pretty horrible.

I think his look was one of the main reason's he had as many fans as he did. A super-thief in an all-white costume? Badass. This looks like a rejected early 90's costume.

It looks like he's wearing the original costume in that second image. I hope so because I agree with you about the slightly tweaked costume.

[Alexander Hamilton]

It is only a slight change, but it was so distinctive in solid white. It makes a huge difference.

[Elven Johnny]

Apparently I'm of the minority opinion here, but I have less than zero interest in this book.

I loved Kyle and Yost on New X-Men. That was fantastic. I started out liking their X-Force but after a little while it started to feel like it was directionless (especially given what they did to Wolfsbane).

I've still continued to follow the series (and I look forward to Sex and Violence) because I think Kyle and Yost are good writers, but this new direction . . . well, when every character has large guns (which does work for Deadpool, but, really, another book with Deadpool?) and seems to be a Cable wanabe (based on the picture) I just don't know.

I could very easily be wrong; this may end up being a great series. Based on these preview images, however, I'm not sure if this is something I'll like.

Edit: Oh, and I would rather see Psylocke in the new X-Men series that just launched. I suppose she could easily be in both, but if she is only in one it should be X-Men.

[David Aspmo]

She was only in the book to serve as a punching bag. They traumatized her in the first story arc, doing the worst thing they possibly could to her.
Right, and not just as in "the worst thing they could do to" the character within the story, but also as in "the worst thing they could do to" the character as a character for use in an ongoing shared continuity.

"Having an abusive father that you're trying to forget/escape/overcome/get-validation-from" is a perfectly recognizable and understandable real-world problem - something that many readers could identify with, even. Having that kind of grounding in a character's background is of utmost importance in a fantastical setting - particularly one like that of the X-Men, where there's such a strong real-world allegory to it.

"Having killed (and apparently eaten) that abusive father"... not so much.

As I said above, people complain about writers coming in and "breaking the toys in the toybox" when they kill characters, but reversing a death (especially an X-Man's death) is relatively simple. This, I think, was even worse - the value of that element to Rahne's character was as high as anything.

[joeAR]

Why does Archangel have a huge gun in the 2nd picture?

[MayorMitch100]

are they still going to have the other x-force title?
either way I don't care, not a big x-men fan.

[Jason California]

Why does Archangel have a huge gun in the 2nd picture?


Warren has been packing heat since the beginning.

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/1-3.jpg

[MayorMitch100]

Warren has been packing heat since the beginning.

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/1-3.jpg

I didn't believe that. I thought it was photoshopped. After going to a few other sites to make sure, I laughed even more.

[Slewo.O]

I didn't believe that. I thought it was photoshopped. After going to a few other sites to make sure, I laughed even more.

You lack x-knowledge youngling. Also I like how conveniently there's something for Beast to hang and jump off of. :p

[Spidey616]

Why does Archangel have a huge gun in the 2nd picture?

Looks like Wolverine's the only one without a gun in that image. As Obi-Wan said "So uncivilized" ;)

[dj127]

dont like the fantomex costume, looks like negative black bolt.

[danlomb]

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the people who posted "urgh another deadpool book? come on!!!""

But nobody has posted that. The closest thing would be my post:


Another Deadpool book, yet Atlas ends with issue #5.

*shakes head*

and what I was saying was that, for variety's sake, it is a head-shaking shame.

[CS Ambrose]

Today.

For fuck sake. Poor show Marvel, you guys have more than enough dough to sponsor a struggling book.

[Akira]

For fuck sake. Poor show Marvel, you guys have more than enough dough to sponsor a struggling book.

If they kept every book just because they could, we'd be knee-deep in NFL Superpro continuity right now.

[SidekicksRevenge]

Wolverine's been popular for decades and people are still not over it.

I expect the Deadpool bitching to continue for at least another five years.

Heck, my first inclination was to bitch about this book having both Wolverine and Deadpool. Then I got over it because I need Remender to be writing Fantomex.

[joeAR]

Warren has been packing heat since the beginning.

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/1-3.jpg


Yes but now he can shoot metal blades. The man has no need for a gun.

[Foggy's Pal]

I love Opena on art! He was fantastic on Moon Knight. Speaking of which, is Moon Knight cancelled or picking up after Shadowland?

[Marcdachamp]

Looks okay enough, but I'm not sold on the title just yet. I love the current book a lot, I like the premise. But Remender hasn't impressed me that much so far, and Opena isn't among my favourite artists.

I'll check out the first issue at least. If the premise of the team stays the same, and with Fantomex on the team (though I have to say, I hate that redesign in the first pic), it might just win me over. Here's hoping.

All of this, right here. Digging the line-up, though.

[hamgravy]

Does no one else remember the initial tease suggested (IIRC) that the team would be comprised of non-X characters?

Or was it just that Logan and Warren would be the only returning members?

[Ben]

Psylocke is hot.

[Ben]

Does no one else remember the initial tease suggested (IIRC) that the team would be comprised of non-X characters?

Or was it just that Logan and Warren would be the only returning members?You're probably confusing this with the "We Are the X-Men" teasers that weren't really for X-Force.

[THWIP!]

I love Opena on art! He was fantastic on Moon Knight. Speaking of which, is Moon Knight cancelled or picking up after Shadowland?

I don't remember if they're stopping the title during Shawdowland but I know that MK is getting a 2 or 3 issue tie in mini series that'll be 3.99 instead of tying in with the book they're already making and keeping it 2.99 for the people who read it, especially since they're coming out with like 10 tie in books or something.

[THWIP!]

Does no one else remember the initial tease suggested (IIRC) that the team would be comprised of non-X characters?

Or was it just that Logan and Warren would be the only returning members?

It was only announced that Wolverine was coming back, and they said that another member that was on would also come back but at the time it wasn't revealed. Then they said the rest of the team would be compromised of people who haven't been on the team before.

[hamgravy]

It was only announced that Wolverine was coming back, and they said that another member that was on would also come back but at the time it wasn't revealed. Then they said the rest of the team would be compromised of people who haven't been on the team before.

Yeah, I guess I remember people speculating that the other members were not Deadpool or Phantomex based on another comment in the initial tease (not the We are the X-Men pics).

No matter.

[HOOKS]

Well, Marvel officially announced UNCANNY X-FORCE this morning.

http://www.marvelnoise.com/2010/07/14/uncanny-x-force-revealed-in-x-men-second-coming-2/

UNCANNY X-FORCE #1
UNCANNY X-FORCE #1 BLANK VARIANT
UNCANNY X-FORCE #1 DJURDJEVIC VARIANT
UNCANNY X-FORCE #1 CRAIN VARIANT
UNCANNY X-FORCE #1 LIEFELD VARIANT
Written by RICK REMENDER
Pencils by JEROME OPEÑA
Cover by ESAD RIBIC
Blank Cover also available
Variant Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
Variant Cover by CLAYTON CRAIN
Variant Cover by ROB LIEFELD
Explicit Content …$3.99
On Sale This October!

[DAVE]

For fuck sake. Poor show Marvel, you guys have more than enough dough to sponsor a struggling book.

That's some great business sense there. There's been how many Agents of ATLAS series? Two ongoings? Multiple minis? Crossover series with other books? No one's buying it. They should just keep printing a book that wasn't selling?

[Jef UK]

For fuck sake. Poor show Marvel, you guys have more than enough dough to sponsor a struggling book.

Parker called time of death, not Marvel. (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/07/marvels-atlas-ending-with-issue-5/)

[Black Roman]

Fantomex is back?!?! :rock:

[DaveCummings]

For fuck sake. Poor show Marvel, you guys have more than enough dough to sponsor a struggling book.

Don't blame Marvel. Blame the people that aren't buying the book.

[Jef UK]

It's sad because Agents of Atlas was the only superhero team book on the market.

[TheTravis!]

So this replaces old unadjectiveless X-Force? If so, it'll be my signal to go to floppies instead of trade-waiting.

[Ben]

So this replaces old unadjectiveless X-Force? If so, it'll be my signal to go to floppies instead of trade-waiting.
Yep.

[TheTravis!]

Yep.

Well allrighty then!

[joeAR]

I wasn't planning on buying this but I can not not buy a book with Archangel, Deadpool, and Fantomex in it.

[SidekicksRevenge]

Fantomex/Deadpool banter...Opena art...Apocalypse...

I want this now.

[Jef UK]

It's going to be difficult for me to wait a year and a half for the OHC.

[rwsmith]

So, two questions...

Is Wolverine's daughter no longer "cool"?

When did Arch-angel get metal wings again?

1) She's his clone, not daughter. And he forced her off the team after Necrosha because he wants her to have a chance at a normal life (or at least as normal as it gets for X-men/mutants) instead of constantly being used as a weapon like he's been for most of his life.

2) The first arc of the most recent X-Force series.

I cannot wait for this, by the way! I truly think this is the most hardcore Marvel team ever assembled. Add to that a great creative team, and this is going to be a really fun ride. :)

[Black Roman]

Call me wacky, but I like the crazy B & W Deadpool and Fantomex remodels.

[Cth]

Call me wacky, but I like the crazy B & W Deadpool and Fantomex remodels.

B&W&Yellow!

[Black Roman]

B&W&Yellow!

Wait . . . the building is part of the team?



Does Morrison know about this? :scared:

[MayorMitch100]

I'll get the blank cover variant for the first issue.

[Slewo.O]

Yeah, I guess I remember people speculating that the other members were not Deadpool or Phantomex based on another comment in the initial tease (not the We are the X-Men pics).

No matter.

Fantomex not Phantomex!

[The Human Target]

I don't like the mask but everything else about the new Fantomex costume is fine.

However, the plain white one is still the most awesome thing since Cyclops.

[McGill]

Bleh. Don't like the roster. Really really loved the old one. And why the fuck is X-23 just getting booted now?



plus. Deadpool needs to get the fuck out of comics i like. Hate that guy.

[Dreg]

Wolverine and Archangel were the only ones I wanted back, along with Vanisher. I always hated X-23. This roster looks promising. But they need more Vanisher.

[Marcdachamp]

Wolverine and Archangel were the only ones I wanted back, along with Vanisher. I always hated X-23. This roster looks promising. But they need more Vanisher.

They offed him. :sad:

[Dreg]

insert Darth Vader's NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Zack_Hunter]

This is definitely on the pull list when it's solicited.

[danlomb]

Don't blame Marvel. Blame the people that aren't buying the book.

Right on. Marvel were so terrific about supporting this book. If it didn't have an ongoing, it had a back-up IN an ongoing. If not that, it had a mini. Peripheral one-shots galore. Marvel could see the potential, the critics adored it, and those that read it loved it.

But if people aren't ordering it, their hands are tied.

[danlomb]

Yeah I'd like to see some sort of resolution with Vanisher. He was good, good times.

[GrandeMaestro Fünke]

Yeah I'd like to see some sort of resolution with Vanisher. He was good, good times.

It'd be kind of cool if the new team's first mission was to track him down.

[Slewo.O]

Wolverine and Archangel were the only ones I wanted back, along with Vanisher. I always hated X-23. This roster looks promising. But they need more Vanisher.

I think Vanisher really is dead. :(

[Slewo.O]

Bleh. Don't like the roster. Really really loved the old one. And why the fuck is X-23 just getting booted now?

plus. Deadpool needs to get the fuck out of comics i like. Hate that guy.

X-23 has her own ongoing now.

[danlomb]

It'd be kind of cool if the new team's first mission was to track him down.

I dunno, I thought Kyle and Yost took Vanisher and made him so amazing with his whole 'I hate you guys I'm a loner I like doing my own thing' but deep down you know he's having a more rewarding experience than he's had in years.

[Spidey616]

Preview images!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1281120985.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1281120983.jpg

[Fake Pat]

Preview images!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1281120985.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1281120983.jpg

A bunch more:
http://forum.superpouvoir.com/showpost.php?p=360763&postcount=32

Yes, I like.

[Foolish Mortal]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1281120983.jpg
I didn't know Metron was in the Marvelverse now. :D

[Alexander Hamilton]

Still wish they would have stuck with Fantomex's original design, but his inclusion guarantees my attention.

[Spidey616]

Someone made custom Uncanny X-Force figures. Me wants! :)

http://www.thefwoosh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31950&start=840

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2391/xforce2.jpg

[BronxRonin]

Wow!!!!

[rwsmith]

Holy cow! Those are awesome. I wish Hasbro would hire this guy to design new figures, and then would mass produce that Uncanny X-Force team as a boxed set. Right now they're going for like $200 a piece on eBay. :(

[brianhalpin]

I seriously want the Psylocke and Fantomex figures. They're both ridiculously awesome.

[HOOKS]

Uncanny X-Force Day

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27913

[Marcdachamp]

Someone made custom Uncanny X-Force figures. Me wants! :)

http://www.thefwoosh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31950&start=840

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2391/xforce2.jpg

Okay, those look insanely professional.

[Spidey616]

Remender Readies the "Uncanny X-Force" (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28011)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1282760643.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1282760645.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1282760681.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1282760683.jpg

[HOOKS]

Damn son

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogIZ3-kVDPg

[Marcdachamp]

Those pages look awesome.

I almost picked up the Minimate figures, but I stopped myself. If they had been Superhero Squad, the suckers would be mine.

[MabusRex]

Those pages look awesome.

I almost picked up the Minimate figures, but I stopped myself. If they had been Superhero Squad, the suckers would be mine.

I'm a sucker for all things X-Force with Archangel in it so of course I picked those up from DCBS along with the full Marko Djurdjevic X-poster that's going up in my bedroom.

Now, if only I could convince someone going to NYCC to pick up an X-Force variant of the Archangel Marvel Select character, I'll be set.

Though Superhero Squad figures are seriously wanted!

[The Human Target]

Damn son

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogIZ3-kVDPg

Okay, that gave me a joy boner.

[blinkless]

MARVEL'S NEXT BIG THING "UNCANNY X-FORCE" CALL
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28242

Some new pages that are in the trailer are in there too.

I'm so stoked for this book!

[leafinsectman]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1284049958.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1284050003.jpg

I'm really glad to have hot ass Psylocke back.

[MabusRex]

That Crain cover is hot!

[Slewo.O]

That Crain cover is hot!

As is Fantomex. If I were to "turn" for a comic character it'd be him. Well Psylocke might be a little hotter though. :p

[Marcdachamp]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1284049958.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1284050003.jpg

I'm really glad to have hot ass Psylocke back.

That Crain cover is sexy on multiple levels.

[bartleby]

This may be my favorite thing that J. Scott Campbell has done.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/uxforcecampbell_02.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/uncanny-x-force-campbell-100913.html

[Marcdachamp]

This may be my favorite thing that J. Scott Campbell has done.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/uxforcecampbell_02.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/uncanny-x-force-campbell-100913.html

Goddamn I love these covers!

[Spidey616]

Out next week!

Uncanny X-Force #1 PREVIEW (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6562&disp=table)

[The Human Target]

Man I really like that take on Deadpool.

Crazy and funny without being slapstick and cartoony.

[A.Huerta]

That art is good. Really good.

I haven't seen story telling and body gestures like that in a long time.

[Albert]

To be fair, No Doubt hasn't been a ska band in like 16 years.

[The Human Target]

To be fair, No Doubt hasn't been a ska band in like 16 years.

Thats how you know Deadpool is crazy.

[NickT]

Man I really like that take on Deadpool.

Crazy and funny without being slapstick and cartoony.
My worry with him is that in a team environment he might be a bit overpowering personality-wise, so I'm glad too. He can work in more than one way.

[The Human Target]

My worry with him is that in a team environment he might be a bit overpowering personality-wise, so I'm glad too. He can work in more than one way.

Exactly.

[Matthew Brown]

That's a cool preview... did not notice the cover with Havok and Polaris on it until now.

[joeAR]

Out next week!

Uncanny X-Force #1 PREVIEW (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6562&disp=table)


Wow, looks great

[Fake Pat]

It's ridiculous how good Jerome Opena is at this stuff.

[dasNdanger]

Damn son

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogIZ3-kVDPg

Coolness! I am very excited about this team!


das

[rwsmith]

Cannot wait for this!

[Spidey616]

So anyone pick up #1 this week? Without a doubt, one of my favorite new comix this week and new title.

X-POSITION: Rick Remender (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28713)

#2 Preview Pages to wet your appetite

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1286394904.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1286394921.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1286394931.jpg

[Magnum V.I.]

Fucking Holocaust?! :rock:

[Mister Mets]

This may be my favorite thing that J. Scott Campbell has done.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/uxforcecampbell_02.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/uncanny-x-force-campbell-100913.html

I've never had this reaction to any of his previous covers for Marvel, but I'd really like to see J. Scott Campbell on an X-Men story. It seems the best fit for him.

[HOOKS]

Preview for issue #5:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=7760&disp=table

Reason #48239 to love comics: the words "an algorithm of sentient infinity" could not be used in any other medium.

[dasNdanger]

Well, that's looking pretty cool! Thanks for sharing! SO excited about this one!


das

EDIT: Whoa. Just looked at that two-page spread on the main page (I had looked at the individual pages first), and that's just amazing! :thumb:


das

[Brother Power the Gong]

Though I haven't yet read the current issue of Uncanny X-Men (and .1 was terrific), and I think the Age of X storyline has been a blast, and X-Men is solid, Uncanny X-Force is far and away the best X-book on the stands. It's just outstanding.

[Marcdachamp]

Though I haven't yet read the current issue of Uncanny X-Men (and .1 was terrific), and I think the Age of X storyline has been a blast, and X-Men is solid, Uncanny X-Force is far and away the best X-book on the stands. It's just outstanding.

Yeah, I've been loving it. I honestly was really bummed to see the previous X-Force cast fall apart, but this team has really grown on me, and I'm really surprised by how good it is. I think Remender's take on Deadpool is excellent.

I'm not sure if it surpasses X-Factor for me, though. That book is, month in and month out, one of the most consistently great books on stands.

[Brother Power the Gong]

Yeah, I've been loving it. I honestly was really bummed to see the previous X-Force cast fall apart, but this team has really grown on me, and I'm really surprised by how good it is. I think Remender's take on Deadpool is excellent.

I'm not sure if it surpasses X-Factor for me, though. That book is, month in and month out, one of the most consistently great books on stands.

I've never loved PAD over long storylines. I like him OK — and he has had moments, but the often-great parts never seems to add up to a great sum for me. Dunno why. I almost feel guilty about it.

[Marcdachamp]

I've never loved PAD over long storylines. I like him OK — and he has had moments, but the often-great parts never seems to add up to a great sum for me. Dunno why. I almost feel guilty about it.

I can see that. For me, the great moments are worth the ho hum ones. It's all about the pay off. PAD is quite good at building things up.

[Brother Power the Gong]

I can see that. For me, the great moments are worth the ho hum ones. It's all about the pay off. PAD is quite good at building things up.

I'll not argue that point.

That said, reveal at the end of this issue of X-Force was jaw-dropping.

[Marcdachamp]

I'll not argue that point.

That said, reveal at the end of this issue of X-Force was jaw-dropping.

Did it just come out yesterday? I won't have my books until tomorrow.

[Pidge]

Yeah, I've been loving it. I honestly was really bummed to see the previous X-Force cast fall apart, but this team has really grown on me, and I'm really surprised by how good it is. I think Remender's take on Deadpool is excellent.

I'm not sure if it surpasses X-Factor for me, though. That book is, month in and month out, one of the most consistently great books on stands.

I agree with the bolded part completely. Deadpool has been so oversaturated lately, that I was dreading his involvement in this book, but Remender has found a balance that the character has never seen.

I also wasn't a big Fantomex fan, but again Remender has been slowly changing my opinion. Love Kyle & Yost's run, but this has been a fantastic continuation.

Really dug the final page reveal this issue.

[HOOKS]

Though I haven't yet read the current issue of Uncanny X-Men (and .1 was terrific), and I think the Age of X storyline has been a blast, and X-Men is solid, Uncanny X-Force is far and away the best X-book on the stands. It's just outstanding.

The X-Men team books as a whole have been outstanding lately.

[Brother Power the Gong]

Did it just come out yesterday? I won't have my books until tomorrow.

Yep.

Also, I'll add that I am one of those rare Marvel fans that thinks everything goes better with Deathlok.

[Brother Power the Gong]

The X-Men team books as a whole have been outstanding lately.

I won't fight you, Hooks, damn it. I won't. It's just UXF has been hitting all the right notes for me. Also, again, Deathlok.

[HOOKS]

I'll not argue that point.

That said, reveal at the end of this issue of X-Force was jaw-dropping.

I don't know where I said it before, but I guessed that Fantomex was doing something similar after issue #4's shock ending. I just didn't think I'd be right. Or that it'd still shock the shit out of me.

One of the few comics I do not trade-wait for (and I am now collecting individual UNCANNY X-MEN issues), and it is well worth it.

[HOOKS]

I won't fight you, Hooks, damn it. I won't. It's just UXF has been hitting all the right notes for me. Also, again, Deathlok.

Oh, no doubt UXF is the best of the bunch. It makes me smile so damn wide. But between AGE OF X and Gillen's UNCANNY, not to mention the surprisingly not-disappointing Adjectiveless and PAD's X-FACTOR, the quality of this franchise is at an all-time high.

I mean, this book is called UNCANNY X-FORCE with a five-man team that includes the now-overexposed *DEADPOOL.* Who knew?

[Marcdachamp]

The X-Men team books as a whole have been outstanding lately.

Of the three "main" X-Books, I'm only picking up Girschler's adjectiveless (although I did order the Age of X hardcover), but that book is great. In fact, the only X-Book I've been hating has been Aaron's Wolverine. I'm taking a break for a few issues, but I'll be giving it another shot once all this hell nonsense ends.


I agree with the bolded part completely. Deadpool has been so oversaturated lately, that I was dreading his involvement in this book, but Remender has found a balance that the character has never seen.

I also wasn't a big Fantomex fan, but again Remender has been slowly changing my opinion. Love Kyle & Yost's run, but this has been a fantastic continuation.

I'm a HUGE fan of Way's Deadpool, but I like the different take that we're seeing from Remender. It reminds me a lot of Joe Kelly's.

[skinnyrunaway]

Billy Tan's art for #8 is insane. It looks like he's trying for the Opena look and its working for me.

Maybe spoilers? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04/13/preview-uncanny-x-force-8/)

[HOOKS]

Of the three "main" X-Books, I'm only picking up Girschler's adjectiveless (although I did order the Age of X hardcover), but that book is great. In fact, the only X-Book I've been hating has been Aaron's Wolverine. I'm taking a break for a few issues, but I'll be giving it another shot once all this hell nonsense ends.

I was going to pick up Aaron's WOLVERINE in hardcover, but I am not a fan of stories about demons and Hell, and it has been going on for far too long, so I'll just hold out. Which is a shame, I have the three WOLVERINE: WEAPON X hardcovers (and patiently awaiting the omnibus (http://www.amazon.com/Wolverine-Vol-1-Jason-Aaron/dp/0785156399/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302793256&sr=1-1)) and those are fantastic.

[Marcdachamp]

I was going to pick up Aaron's WOLVERINE in hardcover, but I am not a fan of stories about demons and Hell, and it has been going on for far too long, so I'll just hold out. Which is a shame, I have the three WOLVERINE: WEAPON X hardcovers (and patiently awaiting the omnibus (http://www.amazon.com/Wolverine-Vol-1-Jason-Aaron/dp/0785156399/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302793256&sr=1-1)) and those are fantastic.

The thing is, I DO like stuff like that, usually. And Aaron's other work on the character has been amazing. In fact, the .1 issue was so good. But this book is dragging so badly. I don't care if you point out how cliche something is while writing a cliche, you're still writing a cliche. Enemy of the State came out, what, 6 years ago? Did we need ANOTHER Wolverine possessed story? God, no. I could deal with this if it was as good as Enemy of the State was, but it's not even close. This story is really, really bad. I'm skipping at least four issues. I can't keep wasting money on this book.

[HOOKS]

Billy Tan's art for #8 is insane. It looks like he's trying for the Opena look and its working for me.

Maybe spoilers? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04/13/preview-uncanny-x-force-8/)

I've said for years that Billy Tan can be phenomenal, even if the work he produced for UNCANNY X-MEN and NEW AVENGERS wasn't the strongest.

Good to see him on his A-game here.

[jason hissong]

This book is incredible. Seriously. It's what I want from an X-boook. Everything is just good, fun, violent, etc.

[jason hissong]

Not to mention- Remender has a great grasp of voices. Each character has his/her own voice, and it rings accurate and true to me.

Just a smart, at times funny, always entertaining comic.

[Brother Power the Gong]

Not to mention- Remender has a great grasp of voices. Each character has his/her own voice, and it rings accurate and true to me.

Just a smart, at times funny, always entertaining comic.

The man writes good comic books.

[jason hissong]

The man writes good comic books.

I need to track down Fear Agent.

[dasNdanger]

Not to mention- Remender has a great grasp of voices. Each character has his/her own voice, and it rings accurate and true to me.

Just a smart, at times funny, always entertaining comic.


The man writes good comic books.

I don't usually follow writers because I am more a fan of character than of story. However, I will be looking into more of Remender's stuff because of this book, I just love how he not only writes the story, but more importantly for me is how he handles the characters. In this his writing reminds me of Gail's, since she, too, can really draw out characters well.

das

[Brother Power the Gong]

I don't usually follow writers because I am more a fan of character than of story. However, I will be looking into more of Remender's stuff because of this book, I just love how he not only writes the story, but more importantly for me is how he handles the characters. In this his writing reminds me of Gail's, since she, too, can really draw out characters well.

das

I'm not a big Punisher fan, but I loved his Punisher. I was also a fan of his oh-so-tragically short-lived Dr. Voodoo ongoing mini-series.

To echo Jason's point: I need to get Fear Agent and Last Days of American Crime.

I think Remender and Van Lente are slightly unsung stars of Marvel's writing bullpen.

[HOOKS]

FIVE STAR REVIEW:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=3423

And deservedly so.

[jason hissong]

FIVE STAR REVIEW:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=3423

And deservedly so.


I completely agree. This book is great.

[dasNdanger]

Remender has been handed a lethal mutant team and instead of revelling in the glee of excess, he instead has turned his focus inward to see how a group of heroes kill, why they kill, and what happens after they kill. If only all action comics were created with such intellect and intricacy.



THIS x 1000.

Best Marvel book on the shelves right now.

das

[rogerio]

THIS x 1000.

Best Marvel book on the shelves right now.

das
Unfortunately Jerome is not drawing issue #11
UNCANNY X-FORCE #11
Written by RICK REMENDER
Penciled by MARK BROOKS
Cover by ESAD RIBIC
Variant Cover by MARK BROOKS
Dark Angel Saga pt. 1
Apocalypse is dead. His heir, Archangel, has picked up where his predecessor left off, amassing an army of En Sabah Nur’s greatest servants! The only hope X-Force have of saving Warren Worthington from the dark entity that inhabits his soul, rests in a dimension where Apocalypse, and his technology, took over the world, the solution lies in—The Age of Apocalypse! However, before X-Force can obtain the thing capable of saving their friend, they must defeat The Amazing X-Men!
32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$3.99

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

brooks seems to be on the different end of the spectrum style wise than the other artists to date, but I'm a fan. Interesting.

[Spidey616]

After the previous issue, SO looking forward to this one!

Uncanny X-Force #9 PREVIEW (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=8486&disp=table)

[The Human Target]

Wolverine calling Deadpool a ding dong makes me happy.

[S. Earl]

brooks seems to be on the different end of the spectrum style wise than the other artists to date, but I'm a fan. Interesting.

I'd say that after reading the Thor .1 issue, he is fit for the job. He has changed up his style a bit.

[dasNdanger]

Wolverine calling Deadpool a ding dong makes me happy.

Yup. This is a good example of what I love about this book - Wolverine is at his best, his dialogue doesn't seem forced or hokey, and I'm even liking Deadpool because he's not so loud and over the top as he usually is. Still just a great book all the way round.


das

[The Human Target]

Yeah I love a more subdued less fart jokey Deadpool. Its makes him so much more interesting.

[WhindamPryce]

I'm loving the book.

However, when is Opena coming back?

[McGill]

I'm loving the book.

However, when is Opena coming back?

Who took his spot?

[Slewo.O]

Who took his spot?

Billy Tan. It's actually VERY good.

[McGill]

Billy Tan. It's actually VERY good.

Nice. I've been wanting to see more of him. I skipped shadowland, but really liked his new avengers.

[hamgravy]

No bought/thought for this week?

Well, I've said many times before that this is my current favorite book on the stands. While it was largely in part due to the art of Jerome Opeña, all of the subsequent artists have done a game job and maintaining the spirit and quality of the book. This is in no small part due to the talents of colorist Dean White.

As much as I was surprised to like Tan's art in Issue 8, Issue 9 was one of those few comics that I wanted my money back after reading it. Not only is the pencilling (no inking?) sub par, the whole story isn't even equal to an 8-page feature in any random issue of Marvel Comics Presents. Especially given the premise that Magneto knows about the team
There are literally 4 pages dedicated to Magneto having a drink. It's meant to convey a cinematic moment of reflection or tension that is completely diluted over x number of pages of comic art. Retire this technique, stat.

If an artist cannot deliver Marvel quality art on time, then you best hire an inker to beef it up and bring it together. White did his best but it's obvious that he had little to build around.

This is not meant as a slam. I can imagine the frustration if this did not turn out as the team intended and my response is a frustrated reminder of maintaining a high standard given the expectations created by the original creative team.

[Slewo.O]

No bought/thought for this week?

Well, I've said many times before that this is my current favorite book on the stands. While it was largely in part due to the art of Jerome Opeña, all of the subsequent artists have done a game job and maintaining the spirit and quality of the book. This is in no small part due to the talents of colorist Dean White.

As much as I was surprised to like Tan's art in Issue 8, Issue 9 was one of those few comics that I wanted my money back after reading it. Not only is the pencilling (no inking?) sub par, the whole story isn't even equal to an 8-page feature in any random issue of Marvel Comics Presents. Especially given the premise that Magneto knows about the team the delivery of this issue was not worth my money or time.

There is literally 4 pages dedicated to Magneto having a drink. It's meant to convey a cinematic moment of reflection or tension that is completely diluted over x number of pages of comic art. Retire this technique, stat.

And, if an artist cannot deliver Marvel quality art on time, then you best hire an inker to beef it up and bring it together. White did his best but it's obvious that he had little to build around.

This is not meant as a slam. Just a frustrated reminder of maintaining a high standard given the expectations created by the original creative team.

Wha-huh?

I thought #9 was awesome. Could there have been more pages dedicated to plot advancement? Sure. But I thought the art was just as good as last issue (and yeah I think Billy Tan's been going solo the last two issues). I don't seem to remember the 4 pages simply being Magneto drinking shots. Wasn't there a conversation going on?

Though I would kill for more Jerome Opena. :?

And maybe MAYBE a Bought/Thought. :p

[hamgravy]

Wha-huh?

I thought #9 was awesome. Could there have been more pages dedicated to plot advancement? Sure. But I thought the art was just as good as last issue (and yeah I think Billy Tan's been going solo the last two issues). I don't seem to remember the 4 pages simply being Magneto drinking shots. Wasn't there a conversation going on?

Though I would kill for more Jerome Opena. :?

And maybe MAYBE a Bought/Thought. :p

No conversation - just drink up, drink down, look at a file.

All said, it's still 8 pages of content in a standard-sized book with glaring anatomy issues (Magneto's head/ helmet every time it appears) and weak rendering. Again, I found it particularly frustrating because it's the one of 3 books (along with USM and FF) I currently look forward to buying monthly.

But, my initial post was way too harsh so I tried to edit it down. Please feel free to trim or cut my quote as well. Critical is fine but I didn't want to be rude.

[Spidey616]

Looking forward when the team visits the Age of Apocalypse!

Uncanny X-Force (UNLETTERED) #11 PREVIEW (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=8598)

[Slewo.O]

No conversation - just drink up, drink down, look at a file.

All said, it's still 8 pages of content in a standard-sized book with glaring anatomy issues (Magneto's head/ helmet every time it appears) and weak rendering. Again, I found it particularly frustrating because it's the one of 3 books (along with USM and FF) I currently look forward to buying monthly.

But, my initial post was way too harsh so I tried to edit it down. Please feel free to trim my quote as well.

Well I can't blame you for that can I? I'll edit the post no worries.

[hamgravy]

Well I can't blame you for that can I? I'll edit the post no worries.

Cool - and as much as the world needs more Jerome Opeña, it's great news to hear about Esad Ribic with Hickman on the new Ultimates book.

[Slewo.O]

Cool - and as much as the world needs more Jerome Opeña, it's great news to hear about Esad Ribic with Hickman on the new Ultimates book.

I can live with that matchup.

[jason hissong]

Listen to Hamgravy. He is wise.

[The Human Target]

I absolutely love this book and have recommended it to people.

But hamgravy is right on the money.

To add something else I didn't like about the issue- why would Wolverine ever, for any reason, agree to commit a mercenary murder to make Magneto feel better? Yeah, Wolverine hates Nazis. But enough to assassinate a random old man with both zero evidence and nothing but a picture? For MAGNETO? No way.

[SidekicksRevenge]

I absolutely love this book and have recommended it to people.

But hamgravy is right on the money.

To add something else I didn't like about the issue- why would Wolverine ever, for any reason, agree to commit a mercenary murder to make Magneto feel better? Yeah, Wolverine hates Nazis. But enough to assassinate a random old man with both zero evidence and nothing but a picture? For MAGNETO? No way.

I still don't understand how Magneto even needs someone to do this for him. He's f'n Magneto. Even if he's had a change of heart or whatever, I'm pretty sure Magneto could find it within himself to kill a Nazi. He even says it himself in the issue "Do you know who you're talking to?"

[Slewo.O]

I still don't understand how Magneto even needs someone to do this for him. He's f'n Magneto. Even if he's had a change of heart or whatever, I'm pretty sure Magneto could find it within himself to kill a Nazi. He even says it himself in the issue "Do you know who you're talking to?"

Because it was likely traumatizing and he can't be caught since eyes are on him?

[The Human Target]

I still don't understand how Magneto even needs someone to do this for him. He's f'n Magneto. Even if he's had a change of heart or whatever, I'm pretty sure Magneto could find it within himself to kill a Nazi. He even says it himself in the issue "Do you know who you're talking to?"

Yeah I mean I know that having Magneto be a "good" guy is not this books fault. But I just don't buy the premise of this story. I hate to throw this word around, because its so cliche to do so now, but this really felt like filler. Like after so issues being released in a row we finally hit the breaking point.

[TheTravis!]

I still don't understand how Magneto even needs someone to do this for him. He's f'n Magneto. Even if he's had a change of heart or whatever, I'm pretty sure Magneto could find it within himself to kill a Nazi. He even says it himself in the issue "Do you know who you're talking to?"

I think the idea is that Magnesto is under a lot of scrutiny right now from the X-Men and the media at large, and getting out there to do the job himself without notice is highly unlikely.

[Slewo.O]

I think the idea is that Magnesto is under a lot of scrutiny right now from the X-Men and the media at large, and getting out there to do the job himself without notice is highly unlikely.

Exactly. :)

[The Human Target]

As opposed to Wolverine, the man on 20 teams? :)

[hamgravy]

I think the idea is that Magnesto is under a lot of scrutiny right now from the X-Men and the media at large, and getting out there to do the job himself without notice is highly unlikely.

True - but the job should have had some merit as per the MO of Logan's team. For example, what if the kill were a former student or Acolyte of Magneto's that a) showed signs of being an Omega Mutant and b) Had a hard on for the "old" Magneto and aimed to make a name for himself.

As is, unless there is more to the story than it seems, a revenge killing on a Nazi doesn't seem to align with the team credo and even for Logan alone is an odd favor to fulfill. Plus, the "no man outruns his past" message is always understood with a character like Logan and somewhat misplaced when coming from a Nazi. The moral quandary of X-Force is "killing great evil for the greater good" not "killing specific ethnicities in the name of a perceived world order."

[Phantom Eagle]

Or is it?

[hamgravy]

Or is it?

:sherlock:

[WhindamPryce]

Yeah didn't really feel this issue.

Mags coulda killed the guy himself.

How DID he know about X-Force but yet Scott doesn't?

Mags doesn't want to be seen killing someone, but it's okay for an Avenger like Logan to do it?

Why did Logan use a sword?

How does this advance X-force's story at all?

Woulda been better if Betsy had been the one doing the killing somehow, since she's against that sort of thing. At this point it's Logan killing a helpless, old guy with nothing personal at stake for himself at all. Nothing dramatic or exciting about that.

Why would Logan do this for Mags on such flimsy reasoning, or just at all?

If Logan and other world-famous X-men can be going around killing people dressed in nothing but black versions of their costumes (all the way back to Kyle & Yost's run) and still not be publicly called out for "murder", I'm pretty fucking sure Mags coulda killed someone in a remote, hillside house in South America without getting noticed.

And seriously, with Brooks doing the next arc, is Opena not coming back at all? I feel like I missed an announcement somewhere.

[Spidey616]

CBR X-Position column with Remender featuring some great Billy Tan art!

X-POSITION: Rick Remender on X-Force, Relationships & the Dark Angel Saga (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32263)


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[Marcdachamp]

Yeah didn't really feel this issue.

Mags coulda killed the guy himself.

How DID he know about X-Force but yet Scott doesn't?

Mags doesn't want to be seen killing someone, but it's okay for an Avenger like Logan to do it?

Why did Logan use a sword?

How does this advance X-force's story at all?

Woulda been better if Betsy had been the one doing the killing somehow, since she's against that sort of thing. At this point it's Logan killing a helpless, old guy with nothing personal at stake for himself at all. Nothing dramatic or exciting about that.

Why would Logan do this for Mags on such flimsy reasoning, or just at all?

If Logan and other world-famous X-men can be going around killing people dressed in nothing but black versions of their costumes (all the way back to Kyle & Yost's run) and still not be publicly called out for "murder", I'm pretty fucking sure Mags coulda killed someone in a remote, hillside house in South America without getting noticed.

And seriously, with Brooks doing the next arc, is Opena not coming back at all? I feel like I missed an announcement somewhere.

I LOVED this issue.

My interpretation was that Wolverine did it because Magneto knew about X-Force and it was his way to keep Mags quiet. Wolverine used the samurai as an honor thing. Yes, the guy was a former nazi, but Wolverine was giving him the chance at an honorable death.

[dasNdanger]

I LOVED this issue.

My interpretation was that Wolverine did it because Magneto knew about X-Force and it was his way to keep Mags quiet. Wolverine used the samurai as an honor thing. Yes, the guy was a former nazi, but Wolverine was giving him the chance at an honorable death.

Yeah - this. Also, Magneto probably wanted to keep his hands clean (I'm sure Scott & Co. would have issues with him going off and killing for revenge, and all that). And a thought about Wolverine - remember in Wolverine #32 (Prisoner Number Zero - collected in Enemy of the State tpb. #2), Wolverine was held in a Polish death camp. Perhaps the suggestion here is that Wolverine, too, had crossed paths with the same nazi.


das

[Magnum V.I.]

I think what a lot of people are missing is the relationship a captor/molestor/kidnapper has on their victims even years after the incident. I was listening to Tom Arnold the other day and he was talking about confronting his molestor and that the same roles pop up, the same fear, the same feebleness, and even though Magneto is older that Nazi would have more power over him than people think.

Really well done issue.

[Marcdachamp]

The inker and colorist deserve a LOT of credit too. What an amazing job they've done maintaining the tone of the book, no matter the artist. This was the best I've ever seen Billy Tan's art look. Absolutely gorgeous.

[hamgravy]

Still an unsatisfying read for me, even given the above observations.

1) If it's just blackmail, that's a topic worth wrestling with more than a clear cut revenge killing.
2) If Wolverine knows his target or has a personal connection, it's unclear.

Plus, "The Holocaust" is too big as mutant metaphor and historical event to give short shrift to. For me, this wasn't clear or poignant as a character study and didn't add enough to question the morality of the team or move the mutant question forward.

[Slewo.O]

I think what a lot of people are missing is the relationship a captor/molestor/kidnapper has on their victims even years after the incident. I was listening to Tom Arnold the other day and he was talking about confronting his molestor and that the same roles pop up, the same fear, the same feebleness, and even though Magneto is older that Nazi would have more power over him than people think.

Really well done issue.


The inker and colorist deserve a LOT of credit too. What an amazing job they've done maintaining the tone of the book, no matter the artist. This was the best I've ever seen Billy Tan's art look. Absolutely gorgeous.

Is it wrong that I want to hug the both of you really hard? :heybaby:

[hamgravy]

The inker and colorist deserve a LOT of credit too. What an amazing job they've done maintaining the tone of the book, no matter the artist. This was the best I've ever seen Billy Tan's art look. Absolutely gorgeous.

100% agreed about colorist Dean White.

[Marcdachamp]

Still an unsatisfying read for me, even given the above observations.

1) If it's just blackmail, that's a topic worth wrestling with more than a clear cut revenge killing.
2) If Wolverine knows his target or has a personal connection, it's unclear.

Plus, "The Holocaust" is too big as mutant metaphor and historical event to give short shrift to. For me, this wasn't clear or poignant as a character study and didn't add enough to question the morality of the team or move the mutant question forward.

The morality of what they do has been a huge undercurrent. This might have been a "done-in-one," but I don't expect it to be completely left alone.

It wasn't so much blackmail as it was a mutual understanding. Wolverine wasn't feeling blackmailed (Magneto was desperate), he simply did it because he knew it would help cement his silence.

Also, I really like that Deathlok's been hanging with the team. Loved the image of magneto holding Deathlok in place.

[hamgravy]

I think what a lot of people are missing is the relationship a captor/molestor/kidnapper has on their victims even years after the incident. I was listening to Tom Arnold the other day and he was talking about confronting his molestor and that the same roles pop up, the same fear, the same feebleness, and even though Magneto is older that Nazi would have more power over him than people think.

Really well done issue.

Good thoughts - a good read on your part that still wasn't apparent to me in Logan's reaction.

[Slewo.O]

The morality of what they do has been a huge undercurrent. This might have been a "done-in-one," but I don't expect it to be completely left alone.

It wasn't so much blackmail as it was a mutual understanding. Wolverine wasn't feeling blackmailed (Magneto was desperate), he simply did it because he knew it would help cement his silence.

Also, I really like that Deathlok's been hanging with the team. Loved the image of magneto holding Deathlok in place.

"I tried to eject him, but I am at a disadvantage."

I will say I agree with all this... I mean at some point Magneto might come back for more or hold his knowledge over their head. And think of how Wolverine looks to the X-Men if he's been running a super-secret death squad under their noses.

[Slewo.O]

What I like about this book more than the previous volume is that it's more personal. There's more guilt and self-reflection over what they do in their work. It's not just killing scores of nameless goons and then feel a little bad.

Even just killing Apocalypse nearly tore the team with guilt, they actually feel bad and experience different reactions over what they do than just slice and dice like the previous volume.

And I say this as a guy who loved the Kyle and Yost X-Force book

[Marcdachamp]

What I like about this book more than the previous volume is that it's more personal. There's more guilt and self-reflection over what they do in their work. It's not just killing scores of nameless goons and then feel a little bad.

Even just killing Apocalypse nearly tore the team with guilt, they actually feel bad and experience different reactions over what they do than just slice and dice like the previous volume.

And I say this as a guy who loved the Kyle and Yost X-Force book

And, as someone who also loved Kyle and Yost's run, I agree 100%.

I really hope this book STAYS self-contained, unlike the previous run.

[Slewo.O]

And, as someone who also loved Kyle and Yost's run, I agree 100%.

I really hope this book STAYS self-contained, unlike the previous run.

The run wasn't that bad about it... I actually loved Messiah War for all it's faults. There's no other story where you'll see a decomposing Deadpool try to kill Stryfe with a laser cannon. :lol:

I do hope though other than a brief mention of Schism it does get to be alone.

[Marcdachamp]

The run wasn't that bad about it... I actually loved Messiah War for all it's faults. There's no other story where you'll see a decomposing Deadpool try to kill Stryfe with a laser cannon. :lol:

I do hope though other than a brief mention of Schism it does get to be alone.

HATED Messiah War. Didn't mind Second Coming though, because that was amazing in general.

[Slewo.O]

HATED Messiah War. Didn't mind Second Coming though, because that was amazing in general.

*slap*

I'm afraid this is where our opinions must diverge.

[hamgravy]

Should be interesting though to see what the ripple effects are from this issue as the whole Age Of Apocalypse arc will certainly place the team, and the aforementioned interpersonal dynamics, on a big, colorful, stage. Even given my misgivings about the ish, Remender clearly knows how to use the toys in the X-box to get the best out of these characters. Not sure if I'm saying this because he has been explicit about it, but, each character on the team was created to be a weapon. More than just the "trackers and killers" of the Kyle/Yost team, these guys are all weapons doing what they were designed to do but questioning that function.

[dasNdanger]

So many good points, but I only have time for these:


I think what a lot of people are missing is the relationship a captor/molestor/kidnapper has on their victims even years after the incident. I was listening to Tom Arnold the other day and he was talking about confronting his molestor and that the same roles pop up, the same fear, the same feebleness, and even though Magneto is older that Nazi would have more power over him than people think.

Really well done issue.

Very well noted, and said. Also, Wolverine has always been 'the executioner' for the X-Men, so it made sense that he should take the job. It's what he's used to doing as the mercenary he often is.


Still an unsatisfying read for me, even given the above observations.

1) If it's just blackmail, that's a topic worth wrestling with more than a clear cut revenge killing.
2) If Wolverine knows his target or has a personal connection, it's unclear.

Plus, "The Holocaust" is too big as mutant metaphor and historical event to give short shrift to. For me, this wasn't clear or poignant as a character study and didn't add enough to question the morality of the team or move the mutant question forward.

Just to clarify, I'm not sure there was supposed to be a personal connection for Wolverine, but there was for ME in that I have read past issues where Wolverine has suffered at the hands of nazis. So, I could make such a connection if I want to, while a new reader unfamiliar with Wolverine's mythos may see something else.


The morality of what they do has been a huge undercurrent. This might have been a "done-in-one," but I don't expect it to be completely left alone.

It wasn't so much blackmail as it was a mutual understanding. Wolverine wasn't feeling blackmailed (Magneto was desperate), he simply did it because he knew it would help cement his silence.

Also, I really like that Deathlok's been hanging with the team. Loved the image of magneto holding Deathlok in place.

I like Deathlok's presence, too. :)

The whole point to the X-Force in this run seems to be their relationship to/with death. I bet each arc we'll see a new approach - a new angle where death is concerned. More on this below...


What I like about this book more than the previous volume is that it's more personal. There's more guilt and self-reflection over what they do in their work. It's not just killing scores of nameless goons and then feel a little bad.

Even just killing Apocalypse nearly tore the team with guilt, they actually feel bad and experience different reactions over what they do than just slice and dice like the previous volume.

And I say this as a guy who loved the Kyle and Yost X-Force book

This - exactly. I have grown weary of mindless killing in my comics...to the point where I'm about to drop Wolverine titles if things don't soon change. If there is going to be death, give me a legit reason for it, and make it meaningful in some way, even if it's a bad guy. The first arc totally blew me away - not just how unpredictable it was, but also how each team member reacted. There HAS to be moral issues raised with these deaths, and that seems to be what this new book is doing. Wolverine wouldn't kill a kid who MAY grow up to be a killer, but he would kill a killer who has long since given up his ways. What does this say about Wolverine? Obviously he believes in giving people a chance, but doesn't he believe in redemption? Hasn't he in some ways sought redemption for his own past sins? Must there always be an eye-for-an-eye in his mind?

So I think each arc, each story whether it's a multi-issue arc or a one shot, will raise questions about death, justice, redemption, mercy, and all those other issues that can rise from it.


das

[Marcdachamp]

Great post, Das. Also, I must say, Rick Remender is really becoming one of my favorite writers at Marvel right now. His Venom book with Tony Moore is fantastic, thus far.

[Brother Power the Gong]

Great post, Das. Also, I must say, Rick Remender is really becoming one of my favorite writers at Marvel right now. His Venom book with Tony Moore is fantastic, thus far.

His books are fantastic, and he's in my current upper pantheon of writers.

[IPeacock]

I think what a lot of people are missing is the relationship a captor/molestor/kidnapper has on their victims even years after the incident. I was listening to Tom Arnold the other day and he was talking about confronting his molestor and that the same roles pop up, the same fear, the same feebleness, and even though Magneto is older that Nazi would have more power over him than people think.

Really well done issue.

That's how I took it too. I don't think Mags had in in him to face this guy and that was what Wolverine saw when they locked eyes with each other.
Remender said in an interview that originally what this guy did to Magneto was in the book and that it was terrible, I assume he meant terrible by Nazi standards.

[hamgravy]

So many good points, but I only have time for these:



Very well noted, and said. Also, Wolverine has always been 'the executioner' for the X-Men, so it made sense that he should take the job. It's what he's used to doing as the mercenary he often is.



Just to clarify, I'm not sure there was supposed to be a personal connection for Wolverine, but there was for ME in that I have read past issues where Wolverine has suffered at the hands of nazis. So, I could make such a connection if I want to, while a new reader unfamiliar with Wolverine's mythos may see something else.

I like Deathlok's presence, too. :)

The whole point to the X-Force in this run seems to be their relationship to/with death. I bet each arc we'll see a new approach - a new angle where death is concerned.


So I think each arc, each story whether it's a multi-issue arc or a one shot, will raise questions about death, justice, redemption, mercy, and all those other issues that can rise from it.


das

I definitely dig your reading on the issue and Rick's handling of theme thusfar, I'm still not seeing enough information in the issue itself to qualify it as a successful, self-contained, short story. It raises too many questions for me in a way that doesn't pique my interest but instead suggests a need for further development within the 22-ish pages. Also in part due to my previous critique on the character "acting" and use of page real estate.

[Spidey616]

Adam Kubert variant for UXF #12

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[McGill]

Adam Kubert variant for UXF #12



God the Kuberts are a talented family

[Marcdachamp]

Adam Kubert variant for UXF #12

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WOW! That's... amazing! Seriously! Suddenly, I feel the need to own that.

[jason hissong]

That's a very lovely image.If that was an X-team, I would read the hell out of that.

[hamgravy]

That's a very lovely image.If that was an X-team, I would read the hell out of that.

Yeah, this really is the X-book that has me nerding out on the X-verse again. What are the chances that one of the characters makes a leap back? It might be too weird to have an AoA Jean or Kurt permanently on the team but isn't there Exile history with that Sabretooth?

[jason hissong]

Yeah, this really is the X-book that has me nerding out on the X-verse again. What are the chances that one of the characters makes a leap back? It might be too weird to have an AoA Jean or Kurt permanently on the team but isn't there Exile history with that Sabretooth?

What about X-man? Isn't he in the 616 proper?

[hamgravy]

What about X-man? Isn't he in the 616 proper?

Yeah - I think that he and Blink are hanging with the New Mutants.

[dasNdanger]

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Awesome!! I want!! :heart:


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[Spidey616]

The Dark Angel Saga begins!

Uncanny X-Force #11 PREVIEW (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=8818)