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Jason California
05-10-2010, 04:48 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/android-shakes-up-us-smartphone-market-2010-05-10?reflink=MW_news_stmp






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PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y., May 10, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- The Android operating system (OS) continued to shake up the U.S. mobile phone market in the first quarter (Q1) of 2010, moving past Apple for to take the number-two position among smartphone operating systems, according to The NPD Group, a leading market research company. NPD's wireless market research reveals that based on unit sales to consumers last quarter the Android operating system moved into second position at 28 percent behind RIM's OS (36 percent) and ahead of Apple's OS (21 percent).
"As in the past, carrier distribution and promotion have played a crucial role in determining smartphone market share," said Ross Rubin, executive director of industry analysis for NPD. "In order to compete with the iPhone, Verizon Wireless has expanded its buy-one-get-one offer beyond RIM devices to now include all of their smartphones."
Strong sales of the Droid, Droid Eris, and Blackberry Curve via these promotions helped keep Verizon Wireless's smartphone sales on par with AT&T in Q1. According to NPD's Mobile Phone Track, smartphone sales at AT&T comprised nearly a third of the entire smartphone market (32 percent), followed by Verizon Wireless (30 percent), T-Mobile (17 percent) and Sprint (15 percent).
"Recent previews of BlackBerry 6, the recently announced acquisition of Palm by HP, and the pending release of Windows Phone 7 demonstrates the industry's willingness to make investments to address consumer demand for smartphones and other mobile devices," Rubin said. "Carriers continue to offer attractive pricing for devices, but will need to present other data-plan options to attract more customers in the future."
The continued popularity of messaging phones and smartphones resulted in slightly higher prices for all mobile phones, despite an overall drop in the number of mobile phones purchased in the first quarter. The average selling price for all mobile phones in Q1 reached $88, which is a 5 percent increase from Q1 2009. Smartphone unit prices, by comparison, averaged $151 in Q1 2010, which is a 3 percent decrease over the previous year.
Methodology: The NPD Group compiles and analyzes mobile device sales data based on more than 150,000 completed online consumer research surveys each month. Surveys are based on a nationally balanced and demographically-representative sample, and results are projected to represent the entire population of U.S. consumers. Note: Sales figures do not include corporate/enterprise mobile phone sales.
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Nick Spencer
05-10-2010, 04:55 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/android-shakes-up-us-smartphone-market-2010-05-10?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Because it's on a bunch of phones. If Apple wanted to farm out its OS, I'm sure there'd be no shortage of takers.

NickT
05-10-2010, 04:57 PM
Because it's on a bunch of phones. If Apple wanted to farm out its OS, I'm sure there'd be no shortage of takers.
Yes, it's on a bunch of phones, and people bought those phones, thus it is the #2 mobile OS. Kindof the point of the article ;)

Jason California
05-10-2010, 04:58 PM
Because it's on a bunch of phones. If Apple wanted to farm out its OS, I'm sure there'd be no shortage of takers.


I knew I could count on you Nick. You think it is that simple?:lol:

BriRedfern
05-10-2010, 05:02 PM
I love my Droid. I don't/wouldn't use my phone for music, but the android system for a smart phone is amazing. I can't think of any real complaints.

xyzzy
05-10-2010, 05:03 PM
This definitely makes any sort of antitrust penalties less likely.

silverboy
05-10-2010, 05:46 PM
My Droid has replaced almost all other electronic device in my life. I haven't touched my iPod in months. An improvement to the web browser, a Flash update (which is coming) to enable more online television (NBC already works), and maybe a way to get radio broadcasts is all I need to make this the only device in my life.

Jason California
05-10-2010, 05:48 PM
My Droid has replaced almost all other electronic device in my life. I haven't touched my iPod in months. An improvement to the web browser, a Flash update (which is coming) to enable more online television (NBC already works), and maybe a way to get radio broadcasts is all I need to make this the only device in my life.


Have you checked out the Dolphin browser? I hear it is really good for 2.0+ devices.

mike black
05-10-2010, 05:52 PM
http://oobies.org/smith/smilies/happy/Epic-ROFL.gif

the_wallcrawler
05-10-2010, 06:41 PM
Interesting numbers, but to a company like Apple the numbers aren't as important as the hardware sales numbers (where Apple is #3 and likely to pass RIM to become #2 once the new iPhone comes out). Apple isn't in the OS business - just like with computers, they are in the hardware business.

mike black
05-10-2010, 06:47 PM
Have you checked out the Dolphin browser? I hear it is really good for 2.0+ devices.

Dolphin HD is fucking fantastic. I'm posting from it right now.

leafinsectman
05-10-2010, 06:55 PM
Would've gotten an Android phone if they had any decent and affordable phones when I was getting a new phone. The iPhone does the job for now but I might switch when I have to get a new phone.

southsidejohnny
05-11-2010, 04:20 AM
was going to upgrade to the HTC incredible w/verizon since it is only $99, but wanted to change my monthly contract first. lady on the phone says if you want to hold out another month or two, verizon will have the iphone. i know there's rumors flying all over the place, but does a customer service person have inside info or is she just speculating on those same rumors?

afroloq
05-11-2010, 04:25 AM
Just as someone said about Apple being in the hardware business, you can best believe that if the iPhone was available on multiple carriers instead of AT&T only, those numbers would be quite different. This news report furthers the argument that Apple really needs to unloosen the excusivity ties it has with AT&T and let others bask in their evil.

HOOKS
05-11-2010, 04:52 AM
Still rocking the Crackberry.

Are we still #1?

Jason California
05-11-2010, 04:53 AM
Still rocking the Crackberry.

Are we still #1?

For the time being.

mike black
05-11-2010, 05:04 AM
was going to upgrade to the HTC incredible w/verizon since it is only $99, but wanted to change my monthly contract first. lady on the phone says if you want to hold out another month or two, verizon will have the iphone. i know there's rumors flying all over the place, but does a customer service person have inside info or is she just speculating on those same rumors?

She either broke a big rule by saying it, or Verizon's allowed to comment. They could put themselves in big hot water by giving out info like that.

Jason California
05-11-2010, 05:07 AM
When I worked for T-Mobile, customer service reps were kept in the dark about new phones and products until just before these things rolled out. The tech blog sites have more real info about products that have not launched than front line customer care reps.I don't think she knows what she is talking about.

afroloq
05-11-2010, 05:14 AM
When I worked for T-Mobile, customer service reps were kept in the dark about new phones and products until just before these things rolled out. The tech blog sites have more real info about products that have not launched than front line customer care reps.I don't think she knows what she is talking about.

Agreed...when I went to Verizon to inquire about this same issue, they were looking at me like I had answer...LOL.

It's sad how little some fo these folks know about their own equipment.

cPol
05-11-2010, 05:20 AM
was going to upgrade to the HTC incredible w/verizon since it is only $99, but wanted to change my monthly contract first. lady on the phone says if you want to hold out another month or two, verizon will have the iphone. i know there's rumors flying all over the place, but does a customer service person have inside info or is she just speculating on those same rumors?

According to this (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/confirmed-apple-and-atandt-signed-five-year-iphone-exclusivity-de/) article, Apple and AT&T signed a 5-year exclusivity deal in 2007, which puts the soonest Verizon iPhone in 2012. However, they also point out that contracts can be renegotiated, broken, revised, etc., so that may not still be true.

Gordon Chumway
05-11-2010, 07:07 AM
Oh my god! Androids are taking over the US?! I don't have time to read the thread I have to load my guns a prepare for the Apocolypse!

I'm going to pull a Dorothy on their asses and defeat them all with a bucket of water.

Jason California
05-11-2010, 12:03 PM
Apple says they aint worried

Apple brushes off NPD's smartphone report, says it sees 'no signs of the competition catching up anytime soon'

By Chris Ziegler (http://www.engadget.com/editor/chris-ziegler) http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/writer_rss.gif (http://www.engadget.com/editor/chris-ziegler/rss.xml) posted May 11th 2010 2:42PM



http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/05/g1-iphone-sm.jpg (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/apple-brushes-off-npds-smartphone-report-says-it-sees-no-sign/)Fresh off NPD's latest Mobile Phone Track report (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/npd-android-ousts-iphone-os-for-second-place-in-us-smartphone-m/) claiming that Android has leapfrogged the iPhone in US sales, Apple is commenting on the numbers -- and as you might expect, they're not exactly taking a congratulatory tone with Google. Speaking to AllThingsD's John Paczkowski, Cupertino had this to say:
"This is a very limited report on 150,000 US consumers responding to an online survey and does not account for the more than 85 million iPhone and iPod touch customers worldwide. IDC figures show that iPhone has 16.1 percent of the smartphone market and growing, far outselling Android on a worldwide basis. We had a record quarter with iPhone sales growing by 131 percent and with our new iPhone OS 4.0 software coming this summer, we see no signs of the competition catching up anytime soon."
The factual accuracy of Apple's words here can't really be disputed, but as Paczkowski notes, the context can: lumping the iPod touch into this equation isn't really fair, since NPD's report is about smartphones, not mobile operating systems (which would've let devices like non-phone Android MIDs into the picture). Besides, this is about the US market in the first quarter of 2010, not global sales, nor is it about Apple's development pipeline. In other words, Apple's not disputing NPD's report here -- rather, they're simply trying to change the subject, as any properly-trained PR department would. There's no question Android still has an uphill battle to dominate market (and mind) share the world over, but the odds that it outsold the iPhone in the US in Q1 remain very real.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/post_label_source.gifAllThingsD (http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100511/apple-on-npd-android-outselling-iphone-claim/?mod=ATD_rss)

Cth
05-11-2010, 12:17 PM
The old "worldwide" figures defense.. works for Sony :lol:

WillieLee
05-11-2010, 01:56 PM
Nokia outsells Apple every quarter. And it doesn't matter because Apple makes money. Motorola hasn't been able to make a profit on Android, HTC only made $147 million with all their smartphones(WinMo as well) in the last quarter but now they have to cough up royalties to MS for their Android phones so who knows what their margins will be cut to. If Apple wins their patent case against HTC, Android is going to become a money losing venture.

There are two companies that make real money in the game. Apple and RIM. They can come up with all the surveys they want but the only one that matters is the earnings report. And that's an area where Apple is knocking the shit out of everyone.

Jason California
05-11-2010, 02:02 PM
Nokia outsells Apple every quarter. And it doesn't matter because Apple makes money. Motorola hasn't been able to make a profit on Android, HTC only made $147 million with all their smartphones(WinMo as well) in the last quarter but now they have to cough up royalties to MS for their Android phones so who knows what their margins will be cut to. If Apple wins their patent case against HTC, Android is going to become a money losing venture.

There are two companies that make real money in the game. Apple and RIM. They can come up with all the surveys they want but the only one that matters is the earnings report. And that's an area where Apple is knocking the shit out of everyone.


Those patent lawsuits are what have me worried. I am not up to date on the techincalities of this stuff, but they seem to be rather broad strokes taken with these lawsuits, but with HTC deciding to pay MS money without a fight it has me concerned.

Jason California
05-11-2010, 02:55 PM
Decided to just put this in here, but it looks like Verizon and Google are officially working on a tablet device.


By NIRAJ SHETH (http://online.wsj.com/search/term.html?KEYWORDS=NIRAJ+SHETH&bylinesearch=true)

Verizon Wireless is working with Google (http://online.wsj.com/public/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=goog) Inc. on a tablet computer, Verizon Wireless Chief Executive Lowell McAdam said Tuesday, as the company works to catch up with iPad host AT&T (http://online.wsj.com/public/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=t) Inc. in the area of devices that connect to wireless networks.
Tablets are part of the "next big wave of opportunities," Mr. McAdam said in an interview. He said the work on a tablet is part of a deepening relationship between the largest U.S. wireless carrier by subscribers and Google, which has carved out a space in mobile devices with its Android operating system.
"We're looking at all the things Google has in its archives that we could put on a tablet to make it a great experience," he said.
Verizon Wireless, owned by Verizon Communications (http://online.wsj.com/public/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=vz) Inc. and Vodafone Group (http://online.wsj.com/public/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=vod) PLC, declined to add details on timing of a joint Google-Verizon tablet, or which manufacturer might make it.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704250104575238680540806288.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

southsidejohnny
05-11-2010, 03:08 PM
When I worked for T-Mobile, customer service reps were kept in the dark about new phones and products until just before these things rolled out. The tech blog sites have more real info about products that have not launched than front line customer care reps.I don't think she knows what she is talking about.

supposedly,the lost-in-the-bar-4g iphone which caused all the ruckus is the one for verizon. they are just waiting on verizon for the 4g network.
who knows? ive waited this long for a verizon/apple agreement, ill just hold out a couple more months with my motorola razr dumb phone.

Nick Spencer
05-11-2010, 03:10 PM
Yes, it's on a bunch of phones, and people bought those phones, thus it is the #2 mobile OS. Kindof the point of the article ;)

Once again, if Apple wanted to get into the OS game against Google, I think that fight would end pretty fast. That's just not their gameplan. This is like bragging about winning a fight the other guy never showed up for.

Jason California
05-11-2010, 03:15 PM
supposedly,the lost-in-the-bar-4g iphone which caused all the ruckus is the one for verizon. they are just waiting on verizon for the 4g network.
who knows? ive waited this long for a verizon/apple agreement, ill just hold out a couple more months with my motorola razr dumb phone.

That is news to me. ATT and Verizon will both run LTE 4G networks, so I would think the guts of the phones would be the same. The only reason there would be a difference in hardware is if the phone needs to run on Verizons 3G network. I would also have thought that when Jason Chen got inside of the phone he would have found a 4G radio, but I don't think I saw mention of that.

WillieLee
05-11-2010, 08:15 PM
Those patent lawsuits are what have me worried. I am not up to date on the techincalities of this stuff, but they seem to be rather broad strokes taken with these lawsuits, but with HTC deciding to pay MS money without a fight it has me concerned.

If MS doesn't go after any other Android maker then it could be related to elements of HTC's WinMo phones that they might have ported over to their Android line.

Jason California
05-11-2010, 08:22 PM
Once again, if Apple wanted to get into the OS game against Google, I think that fight would end pretty fast. That's just not their gameplan. This is like bragging about winning a fight the other guy never showed up for.


So then that's your problem Nick. There is no bragging here. This is a report made from a 3rd party group. I posted the info without comment. :lol:

WillieLee
05-11-2010, 08:26 PM
That is news to me. ATT and Verizon will both run LTE 4G networks, so I would think the guts of the phones would be the same. The only reason there would be a difference in hardware is if the phone needs to run on Verizons 3G network. I would also have thought that when Jason Chen got inside of the phone he would have found a 4G radio, but I don't think I saw mention of that.

There's a lot of confusion over the fourth generation of the iPhone and the fourth generation of wireless networks. That's why some are calling it the iPhone HD.

I just can't believe it's going to be another six weeks of rumours.