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Gr3nd31
05-10-2010, 09:59 AM
My good friend Barry told me he would no longer be "wasting" his money on comics anymore. He had apparently decided enough was enough after reading Final Crisis. The exact words he used was "Fucking Terrible".

He has really decided to not buy comics anymore. I find that amazing. On one hand he has decided the money he is spending on comics can go into other things. On the other hand I have to admit Final Crisis was really bad. Not enough for me to even consider getting out of comics, but bad enough I no longer buy any books by Grant Morrison.

Did anyone honestly like the book?

(And I realize this is well after it came out but Barry just read it over the weekend.)

jamestolliver
05-10-2010, 10:01 AM
I liked Final Crisis.

joshsapien
05-10-2010, 10:01 AM
did he quit watching movies after he watched one he thought was terrible, too?

-josh

Generic Poster
05-10-2010, 10:01 AM
While I can understand how Final Crisis could put you off Grant Morrison, or even event comics in general, I don't see why it would make you stop buying ALL comics.

jamestolliver
05-10-2010, 10:02 AM
Also, it seems incredibly silly to quit a medium because of one piece of work. I mean, Waterboy didn't make me quit movies but it was pretty terrible.

Roman Noodles
05-10-2010, 10:02 AM
Wow, looks like somebody came down with a severe allergy to Grant Morrison and seeing how Grant Morrison rubs himself over every issue of every DC comic, it's a smart thing Barry's quitting.

AndrewG
05-10-2010, 10:04 AM
I thought Final Crisis was okay. It wasn't what I was expecting and the ending was sort of strange but Morrison's doing the best work of his career with Batman and now Batman & Robin (Return of Bruce Wayne this Wednesday) so a few misfires wouldn't turn me off a writer forever just as a few bad comics wouldn't sour me on the industry forever.

Jef UK
05-10-2010, 10:06 AM
That's a great story.

allanpat
05-10-2010, 10:06 AM
Not enough for me to even consider getting out of comics, but bad enough I no longer buy any books by Grant Morrison.

I always find it interesting when people say 'I will no longer by books by XXX because i didn't like this particular book'

Have you liked Grant's work in the past? If so, isn't it kind of silly to stop buying any future work of his because you didn't like one particular miniseries?

Case in point - I typically don't like Jeph Loeb's work, but there are a few exceptions here and there. Long Halloween, Challengers of the Unknown & Hush are particularly good Loeb work. On the other hand, Ultimates 3 was one of the worst examples of comics storytelling i've ever read.

So I don't buy Loeb work that I know will be in that vein (ie: New Ultimates, Ultimatum) - however his recent series Ultimate X harkens back to his older style that I liked, so I'm buying and enjoying that book.

Matt Jay
05-10-2010, 10:07 AM
What kind of comics did he used to enjoy? He should just leave bad comics, but whatever.

jason hissong
05-10-2010, 10:07 AM
I very much enjoyed Final Crisis.


And good for your friend. It's okay for people to not like things anymore.

Matt Jay
05-10-2010, 10:07 AM
That's a great story.

I just skimmed it. I'm waiting for the Poop Comic Store adaptation.

Marcdachamp
05-10-2010, 10:08 AM
I didn't read Final Crisis, but there's no way in hell I can believe that it's worse than Infinite Crisis. That was just plain terrible, and the "correction" in the trade was a slap in the face to readers that buy monthly comics.

Jason California
05-10-2010, 10:09 AM
Has Barry read any comics that have come out since CG? What did Hal think of FC? Is he still reading comics?

Cth
05-10-2010, 10:10 AM
Did he read it montly or collected?

I wasn't interested in the monthly, but collected, it reads a LOT better.

Of course, if you read 52 and all the other stuff that leads up to it, it's even better as well.

It's understandable it's not for everyone though.

Marc Lombardi
05-10-2010, 10:11 AM
I once got sick eating at Taco Bell. I have since sworn off all food containing meat, cheese, lettuce, corn flour and sour cream.

allanpat
05-10-2010, 10:11 AM
I didn't read Final Crisis, but there's no way in hell I can believe that it's worse than Infinite Crisis. That was just plain terrible, and the "correction" in the trade was a slap in the face to readers that buy monthly comics.

Pretty much every series labeled Crisis from DC has been a near unreadable mess (including the original)

Patch
05-10-2010, 10:12 AM
These are great.
I quit listening to music. The last album I bought was disappointing.




(oh, I see you guys kinda went there already)

Treacle
05-10-2010, 10:12 AM
Um...good for him?

TIP
05-10-2010, 10:12 AM
Pretty much every series labeled Crisis from DC has been a near unreadable mess (including the original)

:lol:

Marc Lombardi
05-10-2010, 10:12 AM
Bartleby hated Avatar so much he burns anything blue.

Cth
05-10-2010, 10:12 AM
I once got sick eating at Taco Bell. I have since sworn off all food containing meat, cheese, lettuce, corn flour and sour cream.

:scared:

Patch
05-10-2010, 10:13 AM
I also quit wearing pants. But that didn't really have anything to do with not liking pants.

Marc Lombardi
05-10-2010, 10:14 AM
:scared:

I know. I wasn't even sure what sort of meat was involved. So I no longer eat beef, chicken, pork, fish, cardboard, goat or possum.

Ben
05-10-2010, 10:14 AM
Is your friend Bob Harras?

TheKraken
05-10-2010, 10:15 AM
I loved Final Crisis, and I know almost nothing about DC continuity. It's the type of thing I think the DCU is for. It's a story too insane to be told in any other medium, a threat too big to be handled by the heroes of any other superhero universe. I imagine it reads a whole lot better in HC (which is how I read it) than it did in delayed singles, tho'. It would be easy to lose track of what was happening with that kind of wait.

Roman Noodles
05-10-2010, 10:16 AM
Bartleby hated Avatar so much he burns anything blue.

/thread.

RegularJoe
05-10-2010, 10:19 AM
there are times i feel my interest waning in ASPECTS of comics but not in books themselves.

i enjoy shared universes, for example, but feel like we need to get back to a time where they were shared but not inextricibly tied together once a year for a few months. but, even at my most outraged, there are at least 3-4 books that i know i'll stay on board with.

Jason California
05-10-2010, 10:21 AM
Tell Barry there are more than just super hero comics.

thatguyfromsyracuse
05-10-2010, 10:21 AM
Tell Barry I wish him the best!

The Hodag
05-10-2010, 10:23 AM
I couldn't make it through Final Crisis. Sometimes I love Morrison, but that time I just found him wearying and not worth the effort. I also found the series had a weird tonal disparity, embracing big superhero concepts that speak to a certain innocence...while showcasing Mary Marvel as a lolita fetish and having Dr. Light make viagra jokes.

It didn't put me off comics - just continued a general distaste for DC's larger directions begun with Identity Crisis.

SidekicksRevenge
05-10-2010, 10:24 AM
Let's be honest. Comics, as a habit, are expensive. I'd wonder if he wasn't actively looking for a reason to get out. I probably would be if I wasn't currently enjoying the sweet setup that I get from my LCS.

TIP
05-10-2010, 10:27 AM
Bartleby hated Avatar so much he burns anything blue.

Not everything.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RyG-_5wIWvs/SH-L9C3m6yI/AAAAAAAAAfc/Y1G3eQzmkVU/s320/blueballs%5B1%5D.jpg

TIP
05-10-2010, 10:28 AM
Tell Barry there are more than just super hero comics.


Tell Barry I wish him the best!

Tell Barry I want to touch his Longbox.

:shifty:

Marc Lombardi
05-10-2010, 10:28 AM
Well, if there's one thing we can all learn from Crisis it's that, no matter what, guys named Barry ALWAYS come back.

Gr3nd31
05-10-2010, 10:28 AM
Well, I had just gotten him back into comics a few years back. Mostly on Batman. He would pick up things that were well reviewed and read them and his mainstay titles were Batman, Captain America and the newly collected Sword of Conan's by Dark Horse.

I told him to pick up Green Lantern instead of Batman, (he also got pissed about Captain America Reborn to a lesser extent.) I gave him a bunch of great comic titles and he just said he has decided to put his money into fixing up his basement/game room. I figure I'll drop some good books on him again in a few months and see if I can get him back into some titles.

allanpat
05-10-2010, 10:29 AM
I loved Final Crisis, and I know almost nothing about DC continuity. It's the type of thing I think the DCU is for. It's a story too insane to be told in any other medium, a threat too big to be handled by the heroes of any other superhero universe. I imagine it reads a whole lot better in HC (which is how I read it) than it did in delayed singles, tho'. It would be easy to lose track of what was happening with that kind of wait.

While I do like reading the book for the academic Morrisonness of it, it does fail as an event book.

There was no fundamental change in the DC universe because of it (other than cleaning up the multi-verse concept). Maybe it was a necessary 'palate cleanser' from DC's multi-year event driven cycle, but it still could have had a more dramatic impact on the DCU

Gr3nd31
05-10-2010, 10:29 AM
Well, if there's one thing we can all learn from Crisis it's that, no matter what, guys named Barry ALWAYS come back.

Haha.

I didn't like Final Crisis. I didn't feel it was the worst thing I have ever read. In retrospect I would have avoided it.

Ben
05-10-2010, 10:30 AM
Not everything.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RyG-_5wIWvs/SH-L9C3m6yI/AAAAAAAAAfc/Y1G3eQzmkVU/s320/blueballs%5B1%5D.jpgI thought bartleby was more of a squash guy.

SteveFlack
05-10-2010, 10:31 AM
I quit comics once because they killed my Mom.

I got over that, though.

Ben
05-10-2010, 10:33 AM
I quit comics once because they killed my Mom.

I got over that, though.I had a chance to stop comics earlier that day, but I didn't. "Not my problem," I said.

Sorry.

TIP
05-10-2010, 10:36 AM
I thought bartleby was more of a squash guy.

http://www.szpromos.com/upload/cat17782-Outdoor-Game-Jai-Alai-set.jpg

Taxman
05-10-2010, 10:37 AM
My good friend Barry told me he would no longer be "wasting" his money on comics anymore. He had apparently decided enough was enough after reading Final Crisis. The exact words he used was "Fucking Terrible".

He has really decided to not buy comics anymore. I find that amazing. On one hand he has decided the money he is spending on comics can go into other things. On the other hand I have to admit Final Crisis was really bad. Not enough for me to even consider getting out of comics, but bad enough I no longer buy any books by Grant Morrison.

Did anyone honestly like the book?

(And I realize this is well after it came out but Barry just read it over the weekend.)Is it possible he meant Infinite Crisis?

Drkemerld73
05-10-2010, 10:39 AM
I gave him a bunch of great comic titles and he just said he has decided to put his money into fixing up his basement/game room. I figure I'll drop some good books on him again in a few months and see if I can get him back into some titles.

It sounds like he reassessed his priorities and feels like he is doing something more constructive and rewarding with his money. He just might have needed something to finally pull the trigger. Good for him. There's nothing wrong with that. I hope he makes an awesome game room for himself.

Lord Jermaine Retail
05-10-2010, 10:43 AM
My good friend Barry told me he would no longer be "wasting" his money on comics anymore. He had apparently decided enough was enough after reading Final Crisis. The exact words he used was "Fucking Terrible".

He has really decided to not buy comics anymore. I find that amazing. On one hand he has decided the money he is spending on comics can go into other things. On the other hand I have to admit Final Crisis was really bad. Not enough for me to even consider getting out of comics, but bad enough I no longer buy any books by Grant Morrison.

Did anyone honestly like the book?

(And I realize this is well after it came out but Barry just read it over the weekend.)

A) Final Crisis was not bad. Anyone who says it was bad hasn't read enough comics. I've read bad comics. I mean bad. The story was not what some people wanted, especially those unfamiliar with how Morrison chooses to tell his stories, but to say it was bad is illegitimate.

B) Anyone with one foot out the door, in anything, I say let 'em go. That's just where I'm at in life right now. Either you are in or you are out. Pick one. If Final Crisis had such an impact on your friend as to cause them to "quit comics" then I say that your friend was either already moving that way OR was never truly all in to begin with.

Or your friend is very, very dramatic like me. ;)

Gr3nd31
05-10-2010, 10:43 AM
It sounds like he reassessed his priorities and feels like he is doing something more constructive and rewarding with his money. He just might have needed something to finally pull the trigger. Good for him. There's nothing wrong with that. I hope he makes an awesome game room for himself.

Yeah, since I will be taking advantage of it every Wednesday on Game night and most weekends, I am looking forward to it too.

TheKraken
05-10-2010, 10:45 AM
While I do like reading the book for the academic Morrisonness of it, it does fail as an event book.

There was no fundamental change in the DC universe because of it (other than cleaning up the multi-verse concept). Maybe it was a necessary 'palate cleanser' from DC's multi-year event driven cycle, but it still could have had a more dramatic impact on the DCU

It should be a good comic. Who cares if it's a good "event?" That's marketing, not storytelling.

Gr3nd31
05-10-2010, 10:45 AM
A) Final Crisis was not bad. Anyone who says it was bad hasn't read enough comics. I've read bad comics. I mean bad. The story was not what some people wanted, especially those unfamiliar with how Morrison chooses to tell his stories, but to say it was bad is illegitimate.

B) Anyone with one foot out the door, in anything, I say let 'em go. That's just where I'm at in life right now. Either you are in or you are out. Pick one. If Final Crisis had such an impact on your friend as to cause them to "quit comics" then I say that your friend was either already moving that way OR was never truly all in to begin with.

Or your friend is very, very dramatic like me. ;)

His specific complaint was that it was disjointed and didn't make sense to him. I read it and just didn't like it. I didn't like the bullet concept or Superman singing at the end. It just wasn't a cohesive story. I feel the same way about 7 Soldiers of Victory.

thatguyfromsyracuse
05-10-2010, 10:46 AM
One time, I hooked up with comics, and then comics lied to me and said they were pregnant. I did the responsible thing, and said I would be there to help raise the kid. Then, I found out comics lied about the entire pregnancy! That's when I decided to leave comics.

TIP
05-10-2010, 10:48 AM
Where have you gone, Juggernaut?
A nation turns its lonely eyes (and katanas) to you.

panco
05-10-2010, 10:49 AM
One time, I hooked up with comics, and then comics lied to me and said they were pregnant. I did the responsible thing, and said I would be there to help raise the kid. Then, I found out comics lied about the entire pregnancy! That's when I decided to leave comics.

Wow I guess you wanted to slap comics in the mouth really bad. But you didn't because only weak men slap comics.

Marcdachamp
05-10-2010, 10:53 AM
One time, I hooked up with comics, and then comics lied to me and said they were pregnant. I did the responsible thing, and said I would be there to help raise the kid. Then, I found out comics lied about the entire pregnancy! That's when I decided to leave comics.

I hooked up with comics for a little while, but when I left comics, comics killed my dog and put his head through the doggy door.

Oh wait. That was Mark Wahlberg. Nevermind.

Jason California
05-10-2010, 10:55 AM
God dammit.

I now am repeating "Barry come back" in my head. The style alternated between the "Shane come back!" from Shane, and the "Babe, no babe, wait!" scene from Hotrod.

for those of you that don't know what I am dealing with now, here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxFYEmhkfIc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w95E7xg--Fc

just going on in my head back and forth.

Stupendous Man
05-10-2010, 11:18 AM
his loss.

i thought Final Crisis was absolutely fantastic. I love it.

Ben
05-10-2010, 11:21 AM
Everyone believes Elvis left comics decades ago, but I think he still reads them somewhere in secret.

DAVE
05-10-2010, 11:27 AM
Oh no- not Barry!

TIP
05-10-2010, 11:36 AM
Oh no- not Barry!

http://www.usgwarchives.net/ga/madison/photos/tombstones/colbertcity/barry9479gph.jpg

He had a nice run...:shifty:

:cry:

Nick Spencer
05-10-2010, 11:42 AM
A) Final Crisis was not bad. Anyone who says it was bad hasn't read enough comics. I've read bad comics. I mean bad. The story was not what some people wanted, especially those unfamiliar with how Morrison chooses to tell his stories, but to say it was bad is illegitimate.

B) Anyone with one foot out the door, in anything, I say let 'em go. That's just where I'm at in life right now. Either you are in or you are out. Pick one. If Final Crisis had such an impact on your friend as to cause them to "quit comics" then I say that your friend was either already moving that way OR was never truly all in to begin with.

Or your friend is very, very dramatic like me. ;)

Pretty much agree with this 100 percent. I don't know what it is about comics as a medium that makes people feel like they need to shout 'I'm leaving!' to the rooftops as though the entire industry will collapse upon their departure. People drop in and out of regular comic buying all the time.

Beyond that, FINAL CRISIS is one of my favorite comics of the last decade. Brilliant stuff.

Nick Spencer
05-10-2010, 11:43 AM
God dammit.

I now am repeating "Barry come back" in my head. The style alternated between the "Shane come back!" from Shane, and the "Babe, no babe, wait!" scene from Hotrod.

for those of you that don't know what I am dealing with now, here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxFYEmhkfIc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w95E7xg--Fc

just going on in my head back and forth.

I'm hearing it to the tune of "Baby Come Back" by Player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o

Jason California
05-10-2010, 11:49 AM
I'm hearing it to the tune of "Baby Come Back" by Player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o


thank you for that.

Marcdachamp
05-10-2010, 11:58 AM
Pretty much agree with this 100 percent. I don't know what it is about comics as a medium that makes people feel like they need to shout 'I'm leaving!' to the rooftops as though the entire industry will collapse upon their departure. People drop in and out of regular comic buying all the time.

It must be comics fans in general. People do that when they quit the board. :lol:

Lord Jermaine Retail
05-10-2010, 12:06 PM
Pretty much agree with this 100 percent. I don't know what it is about comics as a medium that makes people feel like they need to shout 'I'm leaving!' to the rooftops as though the entire industry will collapse upon their departure. People drop in and out of regular comic buying all the time.

Beyond that, FINAL CRISIS is one of my favorite comics of the last decade. Brilliant stuff.

We, fans of comics, do a lot of weird things. But usually we're not ok with laughing at ourselves about it. At all. As much as comic fans get made fun of in a generic way by the rest of the world (not that it happens as much or in the same way as it did say 10 years ago), if regular people really knew how odd our ways were then they could really hit us where we live. :lol:

Kedd
05-10-2010, 12:13 PM
Comics are a lie.

allanpat
05-10-2010, 12:29 PM
It should be a good comic. Who cares if it's a good "event?" That's marketing, not storytelling.

I disagree. What's the point of doing a line wide crossover with every character in your universe if it doesn't have a lasting impact on those characters?

Secret Invasion is a good example - if it was just about skrulls taking over & marvel heroes fighting them, it would have been a good story, but not really an 'event'.

It became an excellent event book when it led to Norman taking over Tony Stark's position & drastically changed the landscape of the Marvel Universe for the next year.

CougarTrace
05-10-2010, 12:36 PM
myself I'm finding myself tiring more of single issues and just waiting for the tbp's,etc.

I can't say what has sparked that lately except that I just don't care for the single issue reading as much.

I think something has to do with it being easier to shelve the tbps than keep the single issues.

I'm really ready for the digital age of comics. Reading them on a IPAD or whatever device is the really the direction I want to head in.

And as far as FINAL CRISIS, I didn't like it at all. But, I never liked the multiverse thing to begin with.

jamestolliver
05-10-2010, 12:37 PM
Where have you gone, Juggernaut?
A nation turns its lonely eyes (and katanas) to you.

He, uh, I'm just warning you: don't ever talk shit about my sensei.

Supreme Convoy
05-10-2010, 12:44 PM
Pretty much agree with this 100 percent. I don't know what it is about comics as a medium that makes people feel like they need to shout 'I'm leaving!' to the rooftops as though the entire industry will collapse upon their departure. People drop in and out of regular comic buying all the time.

Beyond that, FINAL CRISIS is one of my favorite comics of the last decade. Brilliant stuff.

I think any fandom has those types of people. The most notable example are Transformers fans whenever they saw commercials, trailers, or the movie itself. They hated the first trailers so much they swore off on their beloved toyline.

The Transformers franchise will continue without them and I'm sure they continued to buy toys or even watch the movie.

Marc Lombardi
05-10-2010, 12:46 PM
My sister had the runs last week after being constipated for 42 days. She told me today she's giving up pooping.

BWC Boston
05-10-2010, 01:04 PM
It doesn't really sound like Barry was ever really in comics.

Rod Nunley
05-10-2010, 01:18 PM
It doesn't really sound like Barry was ever really in comics.

Yeah. It sounds more to me like Gr3nd31 was trying to get his friend into comics and failed.

You should have shown him some non super hero stuff.

Jason California
05-10-2010, 01:24 PM
Have him read Preacher Grendel. That should put the love back in him.

King of Mars
05-10-2010, 01:26 PM
Pretty much agree with this 100 percent. I don't know what it is about comics as a medium that makes people feel like they need to shout 'I'm leaving!' to the rooftops as though the entire industry will collapse upon their departure. People drop in and out of regular comic buying all the time.



Dude, I realize you're trying to heiney smooch your way up the corporate ladder, but surely you can see there might be some value in customers, who are supporting a small, insular business, letting their voices be heard when things are bothering them. Yeah, 'Barry' sounds like an irrational fanboy, but I know a lot of smart, reasonable people who are leaving the hobby because of legitimate problems. Why not let TPTB in the industry know about it? What's wrong with that?

SteveFlack
05-10-2010, 01:48 PM
What you guys fail to comprehend is that Gr3nd31's friend Barry is Barry Windsor-Smith.

Barry Windsor-Smith quitting comics is a loss for everyone.

Rod Nunley
05-10-2010, 01:54 PM
Dude, I realize you're trying to heiney smooch your way up the corporate ladder ...

Where is this coming from?

That sure reads like a personal beef interfering with what was a pretty rational point that he made. Not that you have to agree with it, but implying what you're implying seems kind of weird in this thread.

And out of curiosity ... why are you upset that someone from the board has managed to get a measure of success in the comic world?

Slewo.O
05-10-2010, 01:55 PM
Final Crisis was awesome soo different strokes different folks. If he gets turned off just from one comic that's his problem.

Slewo.O
05-10-2010, 01:59 PM
While I do like reading the book for the academic Morrisonness of it, it does fail as an event book.

There was no fundamental change in the DC universe because of it (other than cleaning up the multi-verse concept). Maybe it was a necessary 'palate cleanser' from DC's multi-year event driven cycle, but it still could have had a more dramatic impact on the DCU

Well I guess the death of Batman, Martian Manhunter, and the introduction of various new elements to the DC Universe (Global Peace Agency, Super Young Team, etc.) isn't really meaningful so I see where you're going there. :surrend:

Rod Nunley
05-10-2010, 02:00 PM
Final Crisis was awesome soo different strokes different folks. If he gets turned off just from one comic that's his problem.

I actually don't normally like Morrison on Superhero books. But I bought the Final Crisis hardcover and really thought that it was one of his best.

kylethoreau
05-10-2010, 02:04 PM
Yeah. It sounds more to me like Gr3nd31 was trying to get his friend into comics and failed.

You should have shown him some non super hero stuff.

yeah, get him Atomic Robo and I damn near guarentee his ass will be back.

I'm about the same way with comics now. I'm generally sick of what's going on in DC nowadays (really started during Countdown) but that just led to alot of scaling back.

I mostly buy 'indie' books but still snag Morrison's Batman and the GL books (although I'm considering dropping them)

King of Mars
05-10-2010, 02:09 PM
Where is this coming from?

That sure reads like a personal beef interfering with what was a pretty rational point that he made. Not that you have to agree with it, but implying what you're implying seems kind of weird in this thread.I've noticed a pretty clear pattern of Nick chastising people for daring to say negative things about the comic industry. I recall a moment recently when he got snippy because a bunch of people outside the industry dared to speculate about comic sales numbers (or something like that). I'll admit, it's possible that my distaste for the guy is coloring my perceptions...but I don't think so.


And out of curiosity ... why are you upset that someone from the board has managed to get a measure of success in the comic world?

I'm not upset about it. I don't think about Nick Spencer when I'm not on the board. That being said, the guy definitely hasn't given me any reason to be in his corner.

Rod Nunley
05-10-2010, 02:18 PM
I've noticed a pretty clear pattern of Nick chastising people for daring to say negative things about the comic industry. I recall a moment recently when he got snippy because a bunch of people outside the industry dared to speculate about comic sales numbers (or something like that). I'll admit, it's possible that my distaste for the guy is coloring my perceptions...but I don't think so.

I'm not upset about it. I don't think about Nick Spencer when I'm not on the board. That being said, the guy definitely hasn't given me any reason to be in his corner.

Because you have different opinions about stuff? Seems like a bit of an overreaction and as someone who is seeing it from the outside it makes you seem like a dick. Not that you are ... but I didn't know any of that stuff.

I read his pretty normal post and then you come in and blast away on him with the snark or insult or whatever and it seems disproportionate.

Just a heads up as to what it might look like to others.

HOOKS
05-10-2010, 02:18 PM
I think any fandom has those types of people. The most notable example are Transformers fans whenever they saw commercials, trailers, or the movie itself. They hated the first trailers so much they swore off on their beloved toyline.

The Transformers franchise will continue without them and I'm sure they continued to buy toys or even watch the movie.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER

schizorabbit
05-10-2010, 02:21 PM
One time, I hooked up with comics, and then comics lied to me and said they were pregnant. I did the responsible thing, and said I would be there to help raise the kid. Then, I found out comics lied about the entire pregnancy! That's when I decided to leave comics.

:lol:


http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER

:) The word "transformers" is like HOOKS' bat signal.

Ben Weldon
05-10-2010, 02:26 PM
Gr3nd31 didn't like Final Crisis so invented "Barry" as proof that 'comics i dont like' = 'death of the industry'.

schizorabbit
05-10-2010, 02:27 PM
Gr3nd31 didn't like Final Crisis so invented "Barry" as proof that 'comics i dont like' = 'death of the industry'.

Ahhhhh, that makes sense. A twist on the "Ummm, I have this friend with a problem..." scenario.

Rod Nunley
05-10-2010, 02:32 PM
He has a girlfriend. She just lives in Canada. ;)

schizorabbit
05-10-2010, 02:36 PM
He has a girlfriend. She just lives in Canada. ;)

She's hot too, and her huge boobies feel like...like bags of sand.

Zac Goyette
05-10-2010, 02:44 PM
While I can understand how Final Crisis could put you off Grant Morrison, or even event comics in general, I don't see why it would make you stop buying ALL comics.

This.

Ben Weldon
05-10-2010, 03:06 PM
He has a girlfriend. She just lives in Canada. ;)

Her name is Alberta
She lives in Vancouver

DAVE
05-10-2010, 03:38 PM
My good friend Gordon told me he would be eager and excited to be "waste" his money on comics anymore. He had apparently decided enough was enough with not after reading the fumetti installment of Poop Office. The exact words he used was "Fucking Sensual".

He has really decided to buy more comics. I find that amazing. On one hand he has decided the money he is spending on food can go into other comics. On the other hand I have to admit the fumetti Poop Office was really good. Not enough for me to even consider getting into comics more, but good enough I buy any books involving poop and/offices from Ben.

Did anyone honestly not like the book?

(And I realize this is well after it came out but Gordon just read it over the weekend.)

jamestolliver
05-10-2010, 03:43 PM
I decided to leave comics after they yelled at me and disrespected me when I got angry about them leaving the garage door open with the heater on and they didn't give me 5 dollars when I demanded it for the wasted energy. Plus between me and comics, I'm the only one with a job with more than 20 hours a week.

Simps
05-10-2010, 03:47 PM
Anyone with one foot out the door, in anything, I say let 'em go. That's just where I'm at in life right now. Either you are in or you are out. Pick one. If Final Crisis had such an impact on your friend as to cause them to "quit comics" then I say that your friend was either already moving that way OR was never truly all in to begin with.

Or your friend is very, very dramatic like me. ;)

I really don't understand that line of thinking, especially as a retailer. It comes across as not wanting casual readers, like, if you're not "all in," get out of here.

Casual readership should be encouraged. If someone hated a book, turn them onto a different creator or genre. I think the "all or nothing" mentality is a terribly counterproductive one to have.

Simps
05-10-2010, 03:49 PM
I've noticed a pretty clear pattern of Nick chastising people for daring to say negative things about the comic industry. I recall a moment recently when he got snippy because a bunch of people outside the industry dared to speculate about comic sales numbers (or something like that). I'll admit, it's possible that my distaste for the guy is coloring my perceptions...but I don't think so.



I'm not upset about it. I don't think about Nick Spencer when I'm not on the board. That being said, the guy definitely hasn't given me any reason to be in his corner.

Figure out a way to exist on the board peacefully or you're gone. Enough of the bullshit.

Matt Jay
05-10-2010, 03:50 PM
I decided to leave comics after they yelled at me and disrespected me when I got angry about them leaving the garage door open with the heater on and they didn't give me 5 dollars when I demanded it for the wasted energy. Plus between me and comics, I'm the only one with a job with more than 20 hours a week.

:lol:

Jef UK
05-10-2010, 03:55 PM
I've noticed a pretty clear pattern of Nick chastising people for daring to say negative things about the comic industry.

You don't think it's dumb for one to announce that he's no longer going to be interacting with a form of storytelling because of a story told within that medium?

Lord Jermaine Retail
05-10-2010, 04:07 PM
I really don't understand that line of thinking, especially as a retailer. It comes across as not wanting casual readers, like, if you're not "all in," get out of here.

Casual readership should be encouraged. If someone hated a book, turn them onto a different creator or genre. I think the "all or nothing" mentality is a terribly counterproductive one to have.

Simpson, you actively refuse to let me a) be me and b) have any fun.

Its getting to the point that I think that you should allow me to have two accounts (one as guy who likes comics and another as guy who sells comics) so that you can know what to make of my posts.

If you knew me at all, after all these years, then you'd know that fill-in-the-blank.

Simps
05-10-2010, 04:32 PM
Simpson, you actively refuse to let me a) be me and b) have any fun.

I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.

And you didn't address anything I actually said. Why must it be an all or nothing mentality? I'm a fan and I can't imagine cultivating that line of thinking, even less so if I were involved in selling comics.

Jason California
05-10-2010, 04:37 PM
I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.

And you didn't address anything I actually said. Why must it be an all or nothing mentality? I'm a fan and I can't imagine cultivating that line of thinking, even less so if I were involved in selling comics.


I think part of the post was in jest and not to be taken as seriously as you think. The key part for me came at the end when I saw this



Or your friend is very, very dramatic like me. :wink:

adam_warlock_2099
05-10-2010, 04:56 PM
did he quit watching movies after he watched one he thought was terrible, too?

-josh

I guess that would depend on how much money one spends on watching movies. I can watch an unlimited amount of movies from Netflix for $9.99. I can't even buy three 32pg comics for $9.99. So if something made him decide that his money was better spent elsewhere, then good for him. My spending is at an all time low too, as I realized the same thing.

adam_warlock_2099
05-10-2010, 04:59 PM
You don't think it's dumb for one to announce that he's no longer going to be interacting with a form of storytelling because of a story told within that medium?

He also said that he thereby found better ways to spend his money.

You'd think with the bitching and moaning that's done on this board about the most trivial of all things possible in life, that people wouldn't jump on this man's line of reasoning. But then, the internet rears it's ugly head . . .

mike black
05-10-2010, 04:59 PM
did he quit watching movies after he watched one he thought was terrible, too?

-josh

In his defense, when Transformers 2 came out you didn't see Optimus Prime appearing in every other movie out at the time helping people solve problems.

TheKraken
05-10-2010, 05:03 PM
In his defense, when Transformers 2 came out you didn't see Optimus Prime appearing in every other movie out at the time helping people solve problems.

Unfortunately.

R0cketFr0g
05-10-2010, 05:06 PM
My good friend Barry told me he would no longer be "wasting" his money on comics anymore. He had apparently decided enough was enough after reading Final Crisis. The exact words he used was "Fucking Terrible".

He has really decided to not buy comics anymore. I find that amazing. On one hand he has decided the money he is spending on comics can go into other things. On the other hand I have to admit Final Crisis was really bad. Not enough for me to even consider getting out of comics, but bad enough I no longer buy any books by Grant Morrison.

Did anyone honestly like the book?

(And I realize this is well after it came out but Barry just read it over the weekend.)

I need more information.

How old are Barry and you?

Have you ever shared a night of white hot passion? Crazy monkey sex in a thunder storm for example?

R0cketFr0g
05-10-2010, 05:07 PM
In his defense, when Transformers 2 came out you didn't see Optimus Prime appearing in every other movie out at the time helping people solve problems.

Optimus Prime hit on my mom in a Bennigans.

Gr3nd31
05-10-2010, 06:22 PM
Have him read Preacher Grendel. That should put the love back in him.

Preacher is what I gave him to get him back into comics. :D

Gr3nd31
05-10-2010, 06:36 PM
You don't think it's dumb for one to announce that he's no longer going to be interacting with a form of storytelling because of a story told within that medium?

I think the majority of you are taking this way to seriously. While I am a HUGE comics fan; Barry is a much more casual fan. He reads some good stuff, and follows a couple of books, but he is not a big fan. That being said, his point to me was that he he felt Final Crisis was so bad he was going to spend his money on something else. Something he wants to spend his money on anyway. If I tell him a book is awesome my money is on him picking it up and reading it.

He did not stand on the roof of his house and make a declaration to the sky that he was done with the medium forever. He said it to me mostly in jest on how he really did not like Final Crisis. A book which he picked up on his own (because he wanted to know about Batman's fate.)

I posted it here because I thought it was pretty funny and figured everyone would get a laugh out of how bad someone thought a specific book is. I did not expect some of the douchier comments. Maybe I need to get some thicker skin but I really wonder about some of the people on this board.

I understand that a lot of you guys have a lot of anger (mostly political). But this harmless, stupid, and what I thought humerous story has apparently raised some people's ire. As I am not the fighting or arguing type, I will just let it go and move on to the next thread. I'm an adult and have no time for people who want to argue or fight.

I admit to typing a lot here but I really feel I should explain myself since I started this thread and am done with it.

lonesomefool
05-10-2010, 06:37 PM
I have drifted away from super hero comics. I still read comics, but they are in trade form now and are usually along the lines of the Vertigo/non super hero type comics.

I simply got burnt out on both the Marvel and DC Universe stuff and just stopped caring.

R0cketFr0g
05-10-2010, 06:40 PM
I think the majority of you are taking this way to seriously. While I am a HUGE comics fan; Barry is a much more casual fan. He reads some good stuff, and follows a couple of books, but he is not a big fan. That being said, his point to me was that he he felt Final Crisis was so bad he was going to spend his money on something else. Something he wants to spend his money on anyway. If I tell him a book is awesome my money is on him picking it up and reading it.

He did not stand on the roof of his house and make a declaration to the sky that he was done with the medium forever. He said it to me mostly in jest on how he really did not like Final Crisis. A book which he picked up on his own (because he wanted to know about Batman's fate.)

I posted it here because I thought it was pretty funny and figured everyone would get a laugh out of how bad someone thought a specific book is. I did not expect some of the douchier comments. Maybe I need to get some thicker skin but I really wonder about some of the people on this board.

I understand that a lot of you guys have a lot of anger (mostly political). But this harmless, stupid, and what I thought humerous story has apparently raised some people's ire. As I am not the fighting or arguing type, I will just let it go and move on to the next thread. I'm an adult and have no time for people who want to argue or fight.

I admit to typing a lot here but I really feel I should explain myself since I started this thread and am done with it.

And my serious, relevant questions go unanswered... :surrend:

mike black
05-10-2010, 06:43 PM
Unfortunately.

Shia Lebouf?

adam_warlock_2099
05-10-2010, 06:57 PM
I think the majority of you are taking this way to seriously. While I am a HUGE comics fan; Barry is a much more casual fan. He reads some good stuff, and follows a couple of books, but he is not a big fan. That being said, his point to me was that he he felt Final Crisis was so bad he was going to spend his money on something else. Something he wants to spend his money on anyway. If I tell him a book is awesome my money is on him picking it up and reading it.

He did not stand on the roof of his house and make a declaration to the sky that he was done with the medium forever. He said it to me mostly in jest on how he really did not like Final Crisis. A book which he picked up on his own (because he wanted to know about Batman's fate.)

I posted it here because I thought it was pretty funny and figured everyone would get a laugh out of how bad someone thought a specific book is. I did not expect some of the douchier comments. Maybe I need to get some thicker skin but I really wonder about some of the people on this board.

I understand that a lot of you guys have a lot of anger (mostly political). But this harmless, stupid, and what I thought humerous story has apparently raised some people's ire. As I am not the fighting or arguing type, I will just let it go and move on to the next thread. I'm an adult and have no time for people who want to argue or fight.

I admit to typing a lot here but I really feel I should explain myself since I started this thread and am done with it.

It's not you. It's them.

King of Mars
05-10-2010, 07:01 PM
Figure out a way to exist on the board peacefully or you're gone. Enough of the bullshit.Is everyone else going to be held to that standard?

TheKraken
05-10-2010, 07:01 PM
Shia Lebouf?

I don't think you've considered how Optimus Prime showing up in Land of the Lost or Year One or or The Taking of Pelham 123 remake could have changed the whole experience. :D

Superior Kiai
05-10-2010, 07:02 PM
I loved Final Crisis.

King of Mars
05-10-2010, 07:06 PM
You don't think it's dumb for one to announce that he's no longer going to be interacting with a form of storytelling because of a story told within that medium?Yeah, that makes no sense. My comment was in reference to Nick continually chastising people for expressing their discontent with the industry.

Jason California
05-10-2010, 07:09 PM
Things that have Ruined Transformers Forever in the past


That is just to funny of a line to be taken seriously.

mike black
05-10-2010, 07:14 PM
I don't think you've considered how Optimus Prime showing up in Land of the Lost or Year One or or The Taking of Pelham 123 remake could have changed the whole experience. :D

I did. Then I tried to back track to reinforce my original point of it being a bad thing.

Now I want to see Optimus Prime photoshopped in to random movies.

Supreme Convoy
05-10-2010, 07:37 PM
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER


Things that have Ruined Transformers Forever in the past

* Killing Optimus Prime
* Transformers that don't transform
* Munkies
* Hippies
* Reboots
* Divorce
* Pokeformers
* Perverts
* Exclusives
* Bayformers
* Teen Titans
* Nostalgia


In other words... pretty much everything.

Thank you, Hooks. :lol:

Lord Jermaine Retail
05-10-2010, 09:13 PM
I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.

And you didn't address anything I actually said. Why must it be an all or nothing mentality? I'm a fan and I can't imagine cultivating that line of thinking, even less so if I were involved in selling comics.

Let it be known that Ben Simpson does not want me to attempt to be funny. Ever. I have to be on duty at all times. Serious business.

Good God. If you read my post I admitted that I was being overly dramatic and "that guy." Since you won't let me not be on duty in all postings, do you really think that I would have made it as far as I have in my field if I truly thought that? Come on, myan (just saw Iron Man 2 again, sorry).

If I may be allowed to for one rare moment be me and not a comics retailer though, sometimes I do feel like people should embrace things and not be so non-committal in their lives. Not just with comics, but with how they exist in the world.

You're one of the few people left who can't tell when I'm kidding or am speaking as a civilian, Simpson. What up with that? (from the SNK skit)

Jonathan Callan
05-10-2010, 09:15 PM
I had a chance to stop comics earlier that day, but I didn't. "Not my problem," I said.

Sorry.

:)

oconnellmd
05-10-2010, 09:29 PM
I once had a really lousy blowjob, so I decided to quit giving free cocaine to hot girls.

evilgenius
05-11-2010, 12:44 AM
I once had a really lousy blowjob, so I decided to quit giving free cocaine to hot girls.

But the lousy ones are the best! :cry: Or is that sloppy...


And I'm not sure what would make me stop reading comics. There are still good ones out there no matter what editorial decisions or bad writing may do to my favorites.

BWC Boston
05-11-2010, 01:10 AM
I turned off my air condition. I've just made the decision to leave General Electric!

Jonathan Callan
05-11-2010, 02:52 AM
Barryyyyyyyyyy! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Ashwin Pande
05-11-2010, 03:53 AM
I just took a really smelly and painful dump. I've decided that I'm NEVER going to shit again!

R0cketFr0g
05-11-2010, 04:50 AM
I did. Then I tried to back track to reinforce my original point of it being a bad thing.

Now I want to see Optimus Prime photoshopped in to random movies.

Optimus Prime would have made Shindler's List less depressing.

Marcdachamp
05-11-2010, 04:59 AM
Things that have Ruined Transformers Forever in the past

* Killing Optimus Prime
* Transformers that don't transform
* Munkies
* Hippies
* Reboots
* Divorce
* Pokeformers
* Perverts
* Exclusives
* Bayformers
* Teen Titans
* Nostalgia


In other words... pretty much everything.

I love so many of those things. :lol:

silverboy
05-11-2010, 06:19 AM
I quit buying comics about four or five years ago. I was in college, didn't have any money, and they were expendable.