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Taxman
05-06-2010, 11:50 AM
Jinxworld Movie Poll Series





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(http://www.shutterisland.com/#/home)Iron Man 2 Official Site (http://ironmanmovie.marvel.com/)
Iron Man 2 on Rotten Tomatoes
(http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/iron_man_2/) Iron Man 2 on Internet Movie Database (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1228705/)
Iron Man 2 official thread (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=174347&highlight=iron)
bartleby's [OFFICIAL] box office thread (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=191993)

WEEKEND BOX OFFICE:



Iron Man 2 $128,122,480
A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) $9,119,389
How to Train Your Dragon $6,680,374
Date Night $5,448,257
The Back-Up Plan $5,033,471
Furry Vengeance $4,478,107
Clash of the Titans (2010) $2,503,251
Death at a Funeral (2010) $2,308,743
Babies $2,160,460
The Losers $1,847,290
Oceans $1,605,936



Other Movie Polls:

Shutter Island (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=188918) - Average Rating **** (37 votes)
Alice in Wonderland (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=189386) - Average Rating *** (23 votes)
Hot Tub Time Machine (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=190366) - Average Rating **** (12 votes)
Clash of the Titans (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=190670) - Average Rating **1/2 (27 votes)
Kick Ass (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=191232) - Average Rating ***1/2 (109 votes)
Machete (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=197118) - Average Rating **** (12 votes)
The Social Network (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=198292) - Average Rating ****1/2 (66 votes)
Red (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=198909)

Summer

Week #2 Robin Hood (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=192162) - Average Rating ***1/2 (9 votes)
Week #3 Shrek Forever After (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=192420) - Average Rating unrated (2 votes)
Week #4 Sex and the City 2 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=192654) - Average Rating unrated (2 votes)
Week #5 Get Him to the Greek (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=192905) - Average Rating ***1/2 (9 votes)
Week #5 Splice (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=192906) - Average Rating *** (7 votes)
Week #6 The Karate Kid (2010) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=192908) - Average Rating unrated (2 votes)
Week #6 The A-Team (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=192907) - Average Rating **** (19 votes)
Week #7 Toy Story 3 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=193421) - Average Rating ****1/2 (44 votes)
Week #7 Jonah Hex (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=193422) - Average Rating unrated (2 votes)
Week #8 Grown Ups (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=193663) - Average Rating unrated (2 votes)
Week #8 Knight and Day (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=193664) - Average Rating ***1/2 (10 votes)
Week #9 The Twilight Saga: Eclipse (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=193869) - Average Rating unrated (3 votes)
Week #9 Avatar: The Last Airbender (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=194021) - Average Rating unrated (6 votes)
Week #10 DESPICABLE ME (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=194168) - Average Rating **** (10 votes)
Week #10 PREDATORS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=194167) - Average Rating ***1/2 (23 votes)
Week #11 Inception (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=193991) - Average Rating ****1/2 (165 votes)
Week #11 The Sorcerer's Apprentice (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=194402) - Average Rating unrated (6 votes)
Week #12 Salt (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=194680) - Average Rating *** (11 votes)
Week #13 Dinner For Schmucks (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=195015) - Average Rating unrated (4 votes)
Week #14 The Other Guys (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=195442) - Average Rating unrated (6 votes)
Week #15 Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=195819) - Average Rating ****1/2 (112 votes)
Week #15 The Expendables (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=195820) - Average Rating *** (21 votes)



Watchmen (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=172258) - Average Rating ***1/2 (253 votes)
Whiteout (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=182371) - Average Rating **1/2 (10 votes)
2012 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=185219) - Average Rating unrated (6 votes)
The Twilight Saga: New Moon (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=185560) Average Rating unrated (3 votes)
The Road (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=185760) - (Limited Release, no votes yet)
Fantastic Mr. Fox (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=185975) - Average Rating ****1/2 (15 votes)
Avatar (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=186539) - Average Rating ****(92 votes)
Sherlock Holmes (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=186812) - Average Rating ***1/2 (61 votes)
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=187613) - Average Rating unrated (6 votes)



SUMMER






Week #1 - X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=5962857) - Average Rating **1/2 (164 votes)
Week #2 - STAR TREK (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=175980) - Average Rating ****1/2 (158 votes)
Week #3 - ANGELS AND DEMONS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=176321) - Average Rating **1/2 (7 votes)
Week #4 - TERMINATOR SALVATIONS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=176534) - Average Rating *** (54 votes)
Week #4 - NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM II (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=176604): THE BATTLE OF THE SMITHSONIAN (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=176604)- Average Rating ***1/2 (9 votes)
Week #5 - UP (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=177009) - Average Rating ***** (50 votes)
Week #5 – DRAG ME TO HELL (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=177008) - Average Rating **** (22 votes)
Week #6 – LAND OF THE LOST (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=177404) - Average Rating unrated (1 vote)
Week #6 – THE HANGOVER (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=177406) - Average Rating ***** (32 votes)
Week #7 – THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1 2 3 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=177746) - Average Rating unrated (1 vote)
Week #7 – MOON (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=179881%3Cbr%20/%3E) - Average Rating ****1/2 (10 votes)
Week #8 – YEAR ONE (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=178214) - Average Rating ** (7 votes)
Week #8 – THE PROPOSAL (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=178710) - Average Rating unrated (2 votes)
Week #9 – TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=178394)- Average Rating *** (82 votes)
Week #10 – PUBLIC ENEMIES (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=178775) - Average Rating *** (30 votes)
Week #10 – ICE AGE III: THE MELTDOWN (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=178776) - Average Rating unrated (6 votes)
Week #11 – BRUNO (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=179218%3Cbr%20/%3E) - Average Rating *** (25 votes)
Week #12 – HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=179469%3Cbr%20/%3E) - Average Rating ***1/2 (61 votes)
Week # 12 - (500) DAYS OF SUMMER (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=180609) - Average Rating ****1/2 (15 votes)
Week #13 - IN THE LOOP (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=180301) - Average Rating unrated (1 vote)
Week #14 – FUNNY PEOPLE (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=180293) - Average Rating **** (32 votes)
Week # 15 - G.I. JOE: RISE OF THE COBRA (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=180607) - Average Rating *** (64 votes)
Week # 15 - JULIE & JULIA (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=180608) - Average Rating unrated (3 votes)
Week # 16 - DISTRICT 9 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=180975) - Average Rating **** 1/2(52 votes)
Week # 16 - PONYO (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=180978) - Average Rating **** (9 votes)
Week # 17 - INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=181395) - Average Rating ****1/2 (115 votes)
Week #1 - IRON MAN (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=150238) (May2)
Week #2 - SPEED RACER (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=150640) (May 9)
Week #3 - THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: PRINCE CASPIAN (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=151342) (May 16)
Week #4 - INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=152028)(May 12)
Week #5 - SEX AND THE CITY: THE MOVIE (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=152709) (May 30)
Week #6 - KUNG FU PANDA (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=153473) (June 6)
Week #6 - YOU DON'T MESS WITH THE ZOHAN (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=153474)(June 6)
Week #7 - THE INCREDIBLE HULK (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=154109)(June 13)
Week #7 - THE HAPPENING (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=154151)(June 13)
Week #8 - GET SMART (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=154814) (June 20)
Week #9 - WALL-E (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=155430) (June 27)
Week #9 - WANTED (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=155431) (June 27)
Week #10 - HANCOCK (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=155899) (July 2)
Week #11 - JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=156697) (July 11)
Week #11 - HELLBOY II: THE GOLDEN ARMY (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=156699) (July 11)
Week #12 - THE DARK KNIGHT (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=157359) (July 18 )
Week #13 - THE X-FILES-: I WANT TO BELIEVE (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=4994002) (July 26)
Week #13 - STEP BROTHERS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=158094) (July 25)
Week #14 - THE MUMMY: TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=158626) (August 1)
Week #15 - PINEAPPLE EXPRESS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=159067) (August 6)
Week #16 - TROPIC THUNDER (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=159459) (August 13)
Week #16 - THE CLONE WARS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=159591) (August 15)
Week #1: SPIDER-MAN 3 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=112389) (May 4)
Week #2: 28 WEEKS LATER (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=113142) (May 11)
Week #3: SHREK THE THIRD (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=113869) (May 18 )
Week #4: PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: AT WORLD'S END (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=114464)(May 25)
Week #5: KNOCKED UP (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=115229) (June 1)
Week #6: OCEAN'S 13 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=115881) (June 8 )
Week #7: FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=116503) (June 15)

Week #1: THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=9034)
Week #2: KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=10283)
Week #4: STAR WARS III: REVENGE OF THE SITH (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=12267)
Week #5: MADAGASCAR (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=13656)
Week #5: THE LONGEST YARD (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=13658)
Week #7: MR. AND MRS. SMITH (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=16017)
Week #8: BATMAN BEGINS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=16586)
Week #9: LAND OF THE DEAD (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=18262)
Week #9: BEWITCHED (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=18266)
Week #10: WAR OF THE WORLDS (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=18967)
Week #11: FANTASTIC FOUR (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=20473)
Week #12: CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=22407)
Week #13: THE ISLAND (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=23215)
Week # 14 THE DUKES OF HAZARD (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=25822)


Please be aware that some people reading this thread may not have seen the movie yet. Please use SPOILER tags when discussing plot points.

Marcdachamp
05-06-2010, 11:54 AM
Four stars. Loved it, and eager to see it again tonight.

nick maynard
05-06-2010, 11:11 PM
i don't think what scarlet johanssen did in that movie technically qualifies as acting.

i like that they are making sam jackson play nick fury as sam jackson. that's awesome.

epic homage to JMS / mckone.

sam rockwell killed it. mickey rourke did great. gary shandling was pretty good. don cheadle was fine.

effects were awesome.

didn't love the fight scene at the birthday party.

and i didn't understand the whole thing with stark's dad. how could he have known that someday tony would suffer from paladium poisoning? i get that he was smart enough to figure out the solution and would hid it and all that. but how could he have possibly predicted that would be a problem?

and i thought i read that people were complaining this spent too much time setting up / hinting at other movies? all we got was a thor hint and a throwaway cap joke.

anyone spot any easter eggs?

Ron Salas
05-06-2010, 11:15 PM
Howard Stark didn't predict the palladium poisoning. Tony was being poisoned because his version of the arc reactor was incomplete technology. Howard was also after a perfected arc reactor but was limited by the technology available at his time. One assumes that he knew that a new element needed to be created but could not so hid it in the model so that Tony could create it in the future.

jamestolliver
05-06-2010, 11:16 PM
i don't think what scarlet johanssen did in that movie technically qualifies as acting.

i like that they are making sam jackson play nick fury as sam jackson. that's awesome.

epic homage to JMS / mckone.

sam rockwell killed it. mickey rourke did great. gary shandling was pretty good. don cheadle was fine.

effects were awesome.

didn't love the fight scene at the birthday party.

and i didn't understand the whole thing with stark's dad. how could he have known that someday tony would suffer from paladium poisoning? i get that he was smart enough to figure out the solution and would hid it and all that. but how could he have possibly predicted that would be a problem?

and i thought i read that people were complaining this spent too much time setting up / hinting at other movies? all we got was a thor hint and a throwaway cap joke.

anyone spot any easter eggs?

Concerning his dad, I thought the purpose of that was that his dad found an element with properties that would revolutionize energy generation but couldn't make it with the technology of the era. That same element was the power source that would be strong enough to support the iron man suit and not burn out and poison Tony.

nick maynard
05-06-2010, 11:36 PM
so, it was just a happy coincidence that it would help heal tony. i buy that, thanks guys.

again, awesome movie.

Spidey616
05-06-2010, 11:42 PM
Awesome! :cool:

Not without some faults though. Hated Fury's "the riddle of your heart" line.

Overall, another Marvel hit!

Very nice easter egg with the footage of Incredible Hulk Culver University incident

Had no idea what to expect from Rockwell, but as everyone's been saying he brought the funny as Hammer.

Good & Evil
05-06-2010, 11:45 PM
i don't think what scarlet johanssen did in that movie technically qualifies as acting.

i like that they are making sam jackson play nick fury as sam jackson. that's awesome.

epic homage to JMS / mckone.

sam rockwell killed it. mickey rourke did great. gary shandling was pretty good. don cheadle was fine.

effects were awesome.

didn't love the fight scene at the birthday party.

and i didn't understand the whole thing with stark's dad. how could he have known that someday tony would suffer from paladium poisoning? i get that he was smart enough to figure out the solution and would hid it and all that. but how could he have possibly predicted that would be a problem?

and i thought i read that people were complaining this spent too much time setting up / hinting at other movies? all we got was a thor hint and a throwaway cap joke.

anyone spot any easter eggs?

Pretty much agree. Great fun and definitely seeing it again.

The Hodag
05-07-2010, 12:05 AM
I'm gonna go with 3 stars. Fun to watch Downey do his thing and definitely had its moments, but the plot really seemed to meander a lot and there were a number of scenes that dragged or felt redundant. Rourke was cool, Widow was cool, Rhodey was okay, Rockwell was wasted, action solid but not on par with the original, and I don't know what the hell the deal was with Stark's dad either.

dougmac
05-07-2010, 12:16 AM
I loved it.
Good things:
The Rhodey intro and sly joke about the actor change
Shandling was priceless
The "Natalie" intro
Rockwell
Lelsie Bibb causing the banter between Hammer, Pepper, and Stark and Hammer's reaction
Suitcase armor
The birthday party (I thought AM died way before they filmed), especially the fight
Happy vs the security guard
Rourke all throughout
Agent Coulson
The after credit scene

The Bad:
Tony and Pepper romance (though Rhodey saying they seemed to awkward maybe means they won't follow up)
Black Widow and Coulson don't get enough to do, but I don't see how they could have given them more to do without it seeming forced

Overall I thought it was excellent

nick maynard
05-07-2010, 05:08 AM
very nice easter egg with the footage of incredible hulk culver university incident
when was that????

Marcdachamp
05-07-2010, 05:10 AM
The birthday party (I thought AM died way before they filmed), especially the fight

The Bad:
Tony and Pepper romance (though Rhodey saying they seemed to awkward maybe means they won't follow up)
Black Widow and Coulson don't get enough to do, but I don't see how they could have given them more to do without it seeming forced

Overall I thought it was excellent

Saw it last night again. Exhausted at work today, but worth it.

I knew DJ AM was going to be in it, but I totally forgot up until he showed up. They did a great job keeping it hush hush.

As far as Pepper and Tony go, I'm glad they held off this long, but I'm glad it happened, too.

Black Widow is a pretty spot on take on the character. She's supposed to be the quiet assassin. I'm glad they didn't give her too many lines. It makes her big scene better. Coulson is great. I'm really happy that he returned, and I hope he gets another decent sized role in Thor.

Weasel21385
05-07-2010, 05:36 AM
Saw it last night again. Exhausted at work today, but worth it.

I knew DJ AM was going to be in it, but I totally forgot up until he showed up. They did a great job keeping it hush hush.

As far as Pepper and Tony go, I'm glad they held off this long, but I'm glad it happened, too.

Black Widow is a pretty spot on take on the character. She's supposed to be the quiet assassin. I'm glad they didn't give her too many lines. It makes her big scene better. Coulson is great. I'm really happy that he returned, and I hope he gets another decent sized role in Thor.

I agree, I was dreading how they were gonna do the Pepper/Tony relationship in this one. But they handled it very well.

SteveFlack
05-07-2010, 07:37 AM
Howard Stark is a dick.

So, Anton Vanko defects from the cold communist wasteland of the USSR to embrace the American dream of Capitalism, and Howard Stark gets him deported because, as Fury states "he wanted to make money". What the fuck? Is Howard Stark the only person allowed to become rich from his creations? It's not like he was working on science for the good of all mankind!

The Black Widow is a bitch.

So she goes to Hammer Industries to go capture Whiplash, and to get to him, she just breaks in, and kicks the ass of all the security guards without even saying anything! These security guards aren't evil! They're probably all just retired police officers who needed some extra cash because they have kids in college or their pension just isn't cutting it. I bet if she would have stepped, flashed a badge of some sort and showed some cleavage, they would have just taken her to the crazy Russian scientist, who I'm sure many of them didn't even know was there

Also, did anyone else catch the disappearing Captain America comic book that's in the box Tony gets from SHIELD?

Marcdachamp
05-07-2010, 07:41 AM
I agree, I was dreading how they were gonna do the Pepper/Tony relationship in this one. But they handled it very well.

As long as it never ends up being a Peter/MJ type relationship, I think they're safe.

Also, I have never been attracted to/liked Gwenyth Paltrow in any way shape or form until Iron Man. Total 180 since, though.

Cth
05-07-2010, 08:04 AM
so, it was just a happy coincidence that it would help heal tony. i buy that, thanks guys.

again, awesome movie.

I look at it this way..

The paladium (or whatever it was) is like a AA battery. It'll eventually run out of juice. And like most batteries it'll corrode and leak.

The new element is a SUPER AA battery with more energy, more efficient, and less decay. It's like coal vs. nuclear energy.

In other words, it's not necessarily an element that he doesn't have a reaction to, but rather the side effect of the energy not being efficient/leaking.


when was that????

When Fury is debriefing Stark. In the background on monitors is the tv interview with those kids from the Hulk movie. Also, there's hotspots on the map suggesting Black Panther, Namor, Hulk, Thor, Captain Britain, etc.

Kefky
05-07-2010, 08:14 AM
epic homage to JMS / mckone.


What is this refering to?

nick maynard
05-07-2010, 08:27 AM
What is this refering to?
spoilers for the post credits scene -

during the FF civil war tie in issues, they did almost that exact scene. thor's hammer in a crater in the desert and a crowd of people around it.

maybe this issue? - http://www.stumblebumstudios.com/images/features/FantasticFour536.jpg


When Fury is debriefing Stark. In the background on monitors is the tv interview with those kids from the Hulk movie. Also, there's hotspots on the map suggesting Black Panther, Namor, Hulk, Thor, Captain Britain, etc.

i was trying SO HARD to keep my eyes peeled for easter eggs like this. oh well. that's awesome.

Kefky
05-07-2010, 08:49 AM
spoilers for the post credits scene -

during the FF civil war tie in issues, they did almost that exact scene. thor's hammer in a crater in the desert and a crowd of people around it.

maybe this issue? - http://www.stumblebumstudios.com/images/features/FantasticFour536.jpg

Ah, okay. I saw that scene, but for some reason, didn't associate it with the comic-book storyline. Thanks. :)

SMACK!
05-07-2010, 09:11 AM
The Black Widow is a bitch.

So she goes to Hammer Industries to go capture Whiplash, and to get to him, she just breaks in, and kicks the ass of all the security guards without even saying anything! These security guards aren't evil! They're probably all just retired police officers who needed some extra cash because they have kids in college or their pension just isn't cutting it. I bet if she would have stepped, flashed a badge of some sort and showed some cleavage, they would have just taken her to the crazy Russian scientist, who I'm sure many of them didn't even know was there

I don't understand why she couldn't reboot the Hammer Drones the way she rebooted War Machine.

Marcdachamp
05-07-2010, 09:17 AM
I don't understand why she couldn't reboot the Hammer Drones the way she rebooted War Machine.

It took her a while to reboot War Machine. Maybe she would have had to reboot them all individually?

nick maynard
05-07-2010, 09:33 AM
It took her a while to reboot War Machine. Maybe she would have had to reboot them all individually?
there really should have been a throwaway line in there that was like "i can't break the encryption!" or "im locked out of the system!"

i mean, whiplash was controlling the robots from that same station. but she couldn't. they should have said why.

Arion
05-07-2010, 09:55 AM
spoilers for the post credits scene -

during the FF civil war tie in issues, they did almost that exact scene. thor's hammer in a crater in the desert and a crowd of people around it.

maybe this issue? - http://www.stumblebumstudios.com/images/features/FantasticFour536.jpg



i was trying SO HARD to keep my eyes peeled for easter eggs like this. oh well. that's awesome.

Didn't remember that.

Marcdachamp
05-07-2010, 09:57 AM
Didn't remember that.

The cover with Doom holding Thor's hammer (even though it doesn't happen in the issue) is amazing. I had Mike McKone sign it.

Hyperstorm
05-07-2010, 10:32 AM
Can't believe it opened here a week before opening there!

Thought it was on par with the first one which I maintain was better than Dark Knight.

Ron Salas
05-07-2010, 11:21 AM
This movie was definitely all over the place. It was trying to do so many things at once that a lot more room and time definitely would have helped smooth out the bumps.

One thing though: I don't know if I blinked and missed it but I don't think I saw that scene where Pepper kisses the IM helmet and throws it out of the carrier for Tony to dive after. Anybody else see that or was that cut out?

nick maynard
05-07-2010, 11:30 AM
This movie was definitely all over the place. It was trying to do so many things at once that a lot more room and time definitely would have helped smooth out the bumps.

One thing though: I don't know if I blinked and missed it but I don't think I saw that scene where Pepper kisses the IM helmet and throws it out of the carrier for Tony to dive after. Anybody else see that or was that cut out?
it must have been a cut scene. it was supposed to be at the very beginning of the movie, i think. before he jumped out of the plane.

Cth
05-07-2010, 11:39 AM
They yanked it because it made no sense.. he can't navigate without the helmet.

So they're keeping it as an alternate scene for the DVD.

Evan the Shaggy
05-07-2010, 12:01 PM
So the general consensus is worse than the first one?

Marcdachamp
05-07-2010, 12:05 PM
So the general consensus is worse than the first one?

It's a tough movie to top. It doesn't surpass, but it's far from a disappointment. It's a very good sequel to a great movie.

Cth
05-07-2010, 12:18 PM
I would say it meets, but doesn't excel like other sequels. Considering all the stuff put in it, I think it's fine. It's a matter of expectations really. If you go in expecting a X1->X2 shift, then yeah, you might be disappointed.

Most sequels go the extra CGI/fight scene approach.. this doesn't do that. It still keeps the humor, the fast pace and "fun".

nick maynard
05-07-2010, 01:31 PM
So the general consensus is worse than the first one?
by a hair, i'd say.

but the thing is, with the first one, i had no idea what to expect. and so, i was totally blown away by how great it was.

with this one, i was expecting it to be great, and it was. so i wasn't really "blown away".

it's the same with comics though. if a brand new book came out by a brand new creative team that was as good as the most recent arc of, let's say, ultimate spider-man, it would be more exciting to me than USM, even if it was the exact same quality.

i remember bendis saying something like that on a wordballoon once about a movie. "if any other director had done this movie, they would be heralded as a great new voice and praised everywhere. but since it was this guy, who we already know, no one's really making a big deal out of it". paraphrasing, of course.

in my book, iron man two is a 9 and iron man one is a 10.

Mister Mets
05-07-2010, 01:38 PM
They yanked it because it made no sense.. he can't navigate without the helmet.

So they're keeping it as an alternate scene for the DVD.

Did they say that's why it was yanked? There may have been other reasons (it might have made the big kiss seem weaker if Tony and Pepper's best scene in the first five minutes.)

Xorn
05-07-2010, 02:29 PM
This movie was definitely all over the place. It was trying to do so many things at once that a lot more room and time definitely would have helped smooth out the bumps.

One thing though: I don't know if I blinked and missed it but I don't think I saw that scene where Pepper kisses the IM helmet and throws it out of the carrier for Tony to dive after. Anybody else see that or was that cut out?

I wondered the same thing till a friend hooked me up with a quote from this link :



Jon Favreau: "Yes. That was, we had different versions of things that we tried, that was something that was a great image and we love and a scene that is going to be in the DVD. But we had two different versions of it and because of the pacing and the way that we reveal Tony Stark, it felt really good to flow into the drop down and reveal him for the first time on stage. For those of you who haven’t seen the movie this doesn’t make any sense, but often times in the editing room we figure out what combinations of scenes…"
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/05/03/iron-man-2-press-conference/#ixzz0nBVZIey0

Spidey616
05-07-2010, 03:19 PM
when was that????

Towards the end with the Fury/Tony evaluation scene you see a news cast playing.

that bastard
05-07-2010, 03:39 PM
I enjoyed it just as much, although I wouldn't say it's "as good". It feels a bit disjointed and the end is REALLY rushed.

As a SEQUEL, though, (sequels being notoriously lackluster save a few) it holds itself really well.

I think the Pepper kissing the helmet scene would have made a nice closing scene. You know, a sort of "Go get 'em, tiger" kind of scene.

Matthew Brown
05-07-2010, 03:39 PM
love love love

David Aspmo
05-07-2010, 03:52 PM
there really should have been a throwaway line in there that was like "i can't break the encryption!" or "im locked out of the system!"

i mean, whiplash was controlling the robots from that same station. but she couldn't. they should have said why.
I think it's easy enough to come to the conclusion that since Rhodey's suit was Stark-tech rather than Ivan-tech, it was easier for her to tap into. Although, this is the sort of thing that throw-away ADR lines are for.

BWC Boston
05-07-2010, 03:58 PM
I really liked the movie. Like some have said, there was so much going on that I occasionally got the feeling of pieces being moved around the board rather than watching things unfold organically, but it was still a lot of fun. LOVED Shandling.

Quick question: As things are going haywire at StarkExpo, they can't call the cops because Vanko cut the lines. Someone goes, "Use a cell phone!" but "Those aren't working either!" and then 5 seconds later Pepper is on a cell phone with no problem. Was there a line I missed? "StarkCom's still up and running!" or something?

NickT
05-07-2010, 04:14 PM
So the general consensus is worse than the first one?
I dunno, I'd say it's more than it's not better than the first.

UltimateFactor
05-07-2010, 04:43 PM
Man that movie was great. I wasn't looking out for easter eggs, I'll do that the next few times I see it. :rofl: However, did anyone catch when.....

Tony was building the machine to stabalize the new element and the Shield dude was there he used Cap's shield to level out the large hose thingy? The guy was like "Do you know what that is?" In a what the fuck dude type of way. That was HILARIOUS. :lol:

Elven Johnny
05-07-2010, 05:35 PM
It took her a while to reboot War Machine. Maybe she would have had to reboot them all individually?

You, sir, have just earned yourself a No-Prize.

I thought the first Iron Man was good but not great, and I thought the same with Iron Man 2. So, I went with 3.5 stars.

It's a fun movie, and I'll likely see it again, but both of the Iron Man films (in my opinion anyway) needed to let the characters and plot breath a little more and let things develop a little more slowly and/or organicaly.

Rhodey and Pepper were fairly flat characters in the first one, and Rhodey was flat once again in the sequel. Rhodes continued to come off as a soldier boy (which I admit, makes sense) but it seemed like that was the only aspect of his personality shown. I'm not the biggest Iron Man fan so maybe that is how he is written in the comics as well: a fairly low key loyal soldier to both the Army and Stark.

I did, however, think that Pepper was fleshed out more. The scenes between her and Tony were actually my favorite. And I agree with whoever mentioned the 180 on Gwyneth Paltrow: I always found her cute, but now I find her sexy (I blame the red hair).

Anyway, yeah, a good movie and a fun movie, but some character and story developments were a little rough. Oh, and Robert Downey Jr. was great. Actually, I'll probably see it again just for him.

Caley Tibbittz
05-07-2010, 05:45 PM
The plot was disjointed and made almost no sense in a couple places, and the pacing was not great. The cast was fantastic, and the movie was mostly fun, even if it drug in places. Definitely not as good as the first one, but the finale made slightly more sense.

stephenp01
05-07-2010, 05:45 PM
Great movie, liked it just as much as the first one. Sam Jackson is terrific, can't wait to see more of him in Cap and Avengers. Most of the audience actually stayed for the post credits scene. And I even heard a few people ask what is that? The audience was really diverse, old people, middle aged people, I was surprised.

Marcdachamp
05-07-2010, 06:48 PM
You, sir, have just earned yourself a No-Prize.

And I agree with whoever mentioned the 180 on Gwyneth Paltrow: I always found her cute, but now I find her sexy (I blame the red hair).

Haha nice. The Pepper thing was me too.

MayorMitch100
05-07-2010, 06:51 PM
That, Scarlet Johanasson, hot damn.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-07-2010, 07:06 PM
I loved the movie. As I remarked in the official thread, the plotting was very different than it was for the first one. The first one had a fairly linear plot, while the sequel had several elements going at once. It's harder to pull off, but in my opinion they definitely did it. I loved the cast, including Scarlett.

A random thought: I like that they kept the "new element" deal a bit vague, because a stable superheavy element beyond what we can currently produce artificially is hypothetically possible, though estimations of its lifetime vary wildly. Leaving the actual nature of the element open doesn't outright date the movie. (If you want to read more about this, search for the "island of stability.")


I think it's easy enough to come to the conclusion that since Rhodey's suit was Stark-tech rather than Ivan-tech, it was easier for her to tap into. Although, this is the sort of thing that throw-away ADR lines are for.

This is a solid explanation. When Hammer and Pepper were trying to figure out what was going on after the bots went rogue, someone said something like "each group is running on a different language" or something. I think that was meant to imply that Vanko programmed each of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine sets in a different language or to respond to different commands, in order to make them harder to shut down remotely. What he did with Rhodey's suit was just a hack.


I really liked the movie. Like some have said, there was so much going on that I occasionally got the feeling of pieces being moved around the board rather than watching things unfold organically, but it was still a lot of fun. LOVED Shandling.

Quick question: As things are going haywire at StarkExpo, they can't call the cops because Vanko cut the lines. Someone goes, "Use a cell phone!" but "Those aren't working either!" and then 5 seconds later Pepper is on a cell phone with no problem. Was there a line I missed? "StarkCom's still up and running!" or something?

I think it's an easy no-prize explanation to say that Pepper, as CEO of Stark Industries, probably has satellite access with her phone.

Jonathan Callan
05-07-2010, 07:15 PM
The Bad:
Tony and Pepper romance (though Rhodey saying they seemed to awkward maybe means they won't follow up)


I think that only didn't work because of the 180 swing Pepper took in this movie. She went from being a playful, charming part of the first film, easily as capable as Tony himself, to a disapproving mother figure.

Now part of that was in reaction to Tony's down spiral, but it really made their romance work so much less than it did the first time around.

Jason California
05-07-2010, 07:23 PM
http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/05/340x_iron-man-suit-giant-lobster.jpg

Dreaded Anomaly
05-07-2010, 07:29 PM
I think that only didn't work because of the 180 swing Pepper took in this movie. She went from being a playful, charming part of the first film, easily as capable as Tony himself, to a disapproving mother figure.

Now part of that was in reaction to Tony's down spiral, but it really made their romance work so much less than it did the first time around.

I thought it worked, but it required reading into some of the subtext in their actions and interactions. Pepper was trying to keep the company from collapsing so that Tony's downward spiral wouldn't be irreparable. However, I think that she was focusing so much on that, to the exclusion of her usual banter with Tony, in an attempt to snap him out of it, or at the least not enable him by treating him like nothing was wrong.

I think the kiss at the end fit very well with the moments they shared in the first movie, that were fairly separate and spread out. They spend so much time trying to deny the attraction that it only comes out every so often (although IM3 seems like it will be different in this regard).

Jonathan Callan
05-07-2010, 08:09 PM
A random thought: I like that they kept the "new element" deal a bit vague, because a stable superheavy element beyond what we can currently produce artificially is hypothetically possible, though estimations of its lifetime vary wildly. Leaving the actual nature of the element open doesn't outright date the movie. (If you want to read more about this, search for the "island of stability.")


I absolutely thought the new element would end up being vibranium.

hamgravy
05-07-2010, 08:14 PM
Much like this movie's chubby version of Nick Fury, Iron Man 2 was wrapped in a cool jacket but was flabby in the middle. Or, everything is cooler in smaller doses.

The Good:
- The first 1/4 of the movie gets the job done. Shades of Rocky 3.
- The entire Monte Carlo race scene. Seriously, this is an Iron Man short film. Self-destructive and flamboyant backed by his gal pal and bud against a ruthless threat in a gorgeous setting with a tech trick up his sleeve. Hit all the right notes in terms of Tony being cool/reckless in the face of his mortality. The exchange with Hammer was a lot of fun. The effects were also spot-on and this visualization of Whiplash makes for a great new pop culture evil.

The Bad:
- God no, the National Treasure decoding of the Expo map to discover a new element.
- Underdeveloped friendships, romances, daddy issues. All of it had to be said, literally. "HE IS YOUR BEST FRIEND." And the Tony/ Pepper kiss didn't belong in this movie. Their arc in the movie doesn't allow for it makes it seem forced and due to stress when it does happen. The most natural exchanges in the movie involved Happy.
- The dialogue, jokes, explosions - everything was tripping over itself for your attention. Not nearly matching the breathing room or rhythm or cool of the first movie.
- Why did the final Whiplash battle have to end so quickly and with the contrived, and horribly forecasted, repulsor burst (the Iron Man version of "don't cross the streams," but bad)?

The Ugly:
- Chubby Fury
- The CG suit on drunken dancing Iron Man
- Gary Shandling's mask of a face
- Most of Whiplash's final suit

The Cool to look at:
- The Suitcase Suit
- The interactive holograms, especially when Tony was at the center of the element.
- Tony in a donut and the conversation in the shoppe with Natasha showing up in her catsuit. And her face was really interesting to look at. The weight loss made her features seem even more exotic.
- The Tartakofsky (sp) drone fight and laser spin move.
- The samurai skirt on Whiplash's final suit.

hamgravy
05-07-2010, 08:18 PM
I absolutely thought the new element would end up being vibranium.

THAT would have been cool.

Or, if Fury tipped him off to the fact that there was a whole hidden world out there that Mr. Smarty Iron Pants hasn't even dreamed of yet.

I would almost prefer Tony partnering with Wakanda and earning access to Vibranium instead of the vague, convenient, and familiar "working it out in his workshop" solution.

And, I can't say enough how godawful the "National Treasure," Expo Model, scavenger hunt was.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-07-2010, 08:19 PM
I absolutely thought the new element would end up being vibranium.

Vibranium comes from meteors, duh. :roll:

;)

Jonathan Callan
05-07-2010, 09:05 PM
Vibranium comes from meteors, duh. :roll:

;)

Jeeze! We're not all scientists, okay?

Boris the Blade
05-07-2010, 09:25 PM
Every bit as good as the first, which is a recommendation. It has more weight to it in a lot of areas, which is offset a bit too much by first act meandering. It's a lot of fun, great action, lots of funny. A great model for the comic book movie. Black Widow seemed to have no real purpose though, aside from being introduced and to spice up the sequel a bit more. I kind of expected there to be some sort of Russian connection, considering the villain was Russian and Natasha is Russian, but whatever. Minor quibble.

Stupendous Man
05-07-2010, 09:50 PM
It was a lot of fun. Not quite as good as the first. Sam jackson was fantastic as fury. It felt like they were juggling 3 or 4 plotlines, that if given more room to breathe and develop could've been great movies in their own right.

Taxman
05-07-2010, 10:24 PM
Pretty disappointed, in the end. The action sequences were good and the Black Widow stuff, I felt was awesome. But too much of this film just felt awkward, uncomfortable and slow.

oconnellmd
05-07-2010, 11:07 PM
Very, very pleased with this film. I was giddy happy when it ended.

However...

Looking at it from an "average audience" point of view (that being people who aren't as smart and wise and cool as me), I could see the problems in pacing. I like my super-hero movies long, drawn-out, heavy on the non-action. Your average person going to a super-hero movie doesn't. I felt kind of bad for kids, since there's a lot of boring-to-kids talky stuff happening instead of blowed-ups.

So I worried about the wider audience reaction to the film, and then realized it's going to be one of the top grossing pics ever and no worrying is necessary. It'll get a sequel, the Marvel film franchise is still strongly assured, and I can just relax and enjoy the film just for myself, without sweating box office. This is not "Serenity". This is effing Iron Man.

Only had a couple of problems.

The whole short version of "Demon in a Bottle" left me feeling much like when the Dark Phoenix saga got turned into a subplot in X3. Would love to have seen a more realistic tumble into alcoholism, especially considering the actor who would be expressing it. It felt kind forced to me, as did the resulting War Machine fight and Jim stealing Tony's stuff and handing it over to the government all casual like that. That was really the one part of the film where I went "Uh...".

Loved the casting on Howard Stark (loved that actor in many things, but heavily in NBC's "Ed"), but yes, I too winced at the National Treasure bit. Ah, well. Didn't affect me too much. I just rolled on.

Things I loved!!

More Happy! Woo hoo! Loved how his character was handled, loved seeing Favs rock with the boxing. He really felt part of the Stark team this time around (as he should be), not just a minor background character.

I turned to my friend as the movie ended and said, "I'm going to need a Black Widow spinoff film and an 8oz bottle of Jergens, stat!" Hot, hot, hot. And nicely done with the character, I felt. Her ass-kickery near the end was quite epic and eye-pleasing.

Gary Shandling.

All the great character moments between...everybody. They didn't let that part of the first film's charm go, and I'm glad.

Sam Rockwell! My Iron Man-obsessed friend I went with was disappointed with the portrayal of Justin Hammer, who should be more like a Bond villain...not like a little bitch. I didn't care - loved the Hammer that Rockwell built. Was not the least bit surprised that I loved his performance.

SHIELD! I love Marvel movie universe SHIELD! I want a SHIELD movie!

Really loved the entrance scene at Stark Expo.

Mickey did an awesome job.

I'm definitely going again, probably trying out the IMAX this time. I applaud the choice to make this a thicker film instead of trying to cram it into 90 minutes because action audiences are supposed to be too dumb to sit still for longer. Really felt I got my money's worth. Can't wait 'til I can own it. Can't wait for Thor and Cap! Bring it!

19bernardo87
05-07-2010, 11:09 PM
It was wittier than the first one, but not quite as good. The plot seemed to be all over the place.

Gotta love how they had a close-up of Scarlett Johansson's (lovely) face, everytime after she kick someone's ass. =D

19bernardo87
05-07-2010, 11:11 PM
Looking at it from an "average audience" point of view (that being people who aren't as smart and wise and cool as me), I could see the problems in pacing. I like my super-hero movies long, drawn-out, heavy on the non-action. Your average person going to a super-hero movie doesn't. I felt kind of bad for kids, since there's a lot of boring-to-kids talky stuff happening instead of blowed-ups.

That was not my problem at all with the pacing. I can do slow--I PREFER slow. It's just that it was at times... well... awkward. Still a very good movie though, 4 stars.

oconnellmd
05-07-2010, 11:19 PM
That was not my problem at all with the pacing. I can do slow--I PREFER slow. It's just that it was at times... well... awkward. Still a very good movie though, 4 stars.

As you said, kind of all over the place. I can't disagree. Definitely could have been tighter. I have a feeling I'll probably find more things that bother me about the plot when I see it a second time, but that's still not going to keep it from being overall awesome. Stuff blows up! Scarlet's face is on a really big screen! Gary Shandling has a job! It's all KINDS of awesome!

Dreaded Anomaly
05-07-2010, 11:21 PM
As far as Rhodey "stealing" the suit: it seemed to me that Tony let him take it. There's no way that Jarvis et al. in the workshop would have even allowed him into the display case if Tony hadn't set up an authorization specifically for him. Tony was probably thinking of Rhodey taking over when he died, rather than grabbing it while he was still alive, but he never seemed too fussed about it and that leads me to believe he intended at least some part of it.

Evan the Shaggy
05-07-2010, 11:33 PM
Not enough people are mentioning how cool the post credit scene was:

About three people in my theater yelled out "THOR!" all at the same time, then the thunder crashed through the speaker. Fucking brilliant.

David Aspmo
05-07-2010, 11:46 PM
As far as Rhodey "stealing" the suit: it seemed to me that Tony let him take it. There's no way that Jarvis et al. in the workshop would have even allowed him into the display case if Tony hadn't set up an authorization specifically for him. Tony was probably thinking of Rhodey taking over when he died, rather than grabbing it while he was still alive, but he never seemed too fussed about it and that leads me to believe he intended at least some part of it.
Yeah, they actually say that outright in the movie. Fury (or Widow) mentions that Tony's own security would have kept even Rhodey out of the lab if he'd wanted it to.

The Hodag
05-07-2010, 11:55 PM
Not enough people are mentioning how cool the post credit scene was:

About three people in my theater yelled out "THOR!" all at the same time, then the thunder crashed through the speaker. Fucking brilliant.

One of my customers spoiled it for me a few days ago. :-x This was unsolicited spoilage, too - just one of those cases of some dude who wanted to show how in-the-know he was. Then, at the theater, about ten seconds before the reveal, I hear a dude a few seats down tell his friend, "This is where they find Thor's hammer," spoiling it for everyone around him.

What the fuck is wrong with people?

Fizz
05-08-2010, 12:33 AM
Not enough people are mentioning how cool the post credit scene was:

About three people in my theater yelled out "THOR!" all at the same time, then the thunder crashed through the speaker. Fucking brilliant.

Definitely nice for comic fans, but I was a bit disappointed that at my screening the only notable reaction I heard was a woman saying
"That's what we waited for? So they found some mysterious anvil thing. So what?"
:-?

On a sidenote, it was nice to see Quesada, Bendis, Fraction, Romita Sr. and some other comic creators included in the end credits.

DaveCummings
05-08-2010, 12:48 AM
Not enough people are mentioning how cool the post credit scene was:

About three people in my theater yelled out "THOR!" all at the same time, then the thunder crashed through the speaker. Fucking brilliant.


A few people were pissed about the after credits scene. At the Kerasotes theater, one of the ushers made a point to let people know that there is a scene after the credits, so almost everyone sat through the credits. After the scene ended, I heard someone say "I sat through all those credits to see a fucking hammer!?!?!?"

Maybe they wouldn't have had that reaction if that scene wasn't at the very end of the credits, but if it was in the credits but after a minute or so (like maybe after the credits of the main actors or something).

David Aspmo
05-08-2010, 01:00 AM
General thoughts:

A very, very good movie even though it doesn't quite make it to the exceptional level I was hoping for. And while I think that is mostly due to a pacing thing, I wouldn't go so far as to say it was "all over the place". I really couldn't specifically point to anything that was done wrong enough to compromise the film as a whole, so I don't know what I'd change to improve it.

The humor was there, the action was there (I actually liked the final battle significantly better than in the first one), the character stuff... it all worked like it was supposed to. I guess it might have just been a bit too breezy and perhaps didn't manage to get to quite the emotional resonance it could have. And maybe the stakes could have been higher with more tension and suspense added. Honestly, I'm not sure.

Just like in the first, the cast was great and Favreau made sure they all came to play and had room to do so. I've been surprised to see some complaints about Rockwell's Hammer, because he was one of my favorite parts of the thing. I'm not that familiar with the original comics version of Hammer, though, and it sounds like maybe the problems people have are because of the deviations from that.

The only thing I was put off by was the "National Treasure" thing, as it's been called here. Just couldn't buy that Father Stark would have hidden the new element in a diorama. And that, apparently, Fury would know that the answers to Tony's problems could be found hidden in the diorama. It actually seems like kind of an awkward re-write, where the original version was just that the case Tony gets from SHIELD contained classified research from Howard Stark that was presented in a perfectly straightforward manner, but then at some point in production, somebody said, "No, we need to make a bigger deal out of this - make Tony work for it (and in a visually appealing manner)", so they added the contrived series of clues.

Still, I didn't have enough of a problem with that to account for the film not getting past "very, very good" overall.

I think because the pattern with superhero movies has often been that the sequel improves markedly on the first, I had inflated expectations. But, I suspect the reason that pattern has been the case with other franchises is that there were usually obvious improvements that were needed on the first one. With Iron Man, though, they hit the mark so squarely on the original, there wasn't as much need to recalibrate. So, they just continued doing what they did with the first one, staying at the same level of excellence, rather than accelerating past it.

oconnellmd
05-08-2010, 01:25 AM
On a sidenote, it was nice to see Quesada, Bendis, Fraction, Romita Sr. and some other comic creators included in the end credits.

That was huge, especially for 80s IM fans like me to be able to cheer the names of Michelinie and Layton, in addition to all the latter-day creators who've brought the character back up to awesome where he should be. Very cool, very "showin' the love".

Sy-Klone
05-08-2010, 05:14 AM
Three stars.

It was okay. I didn't love it. I didn't hate it. I thought it was a bit of a mess.

tonym
05-08-2010, 05:44 AM
Thought it was great, enjoyed the first one more, but this was still awesome. Four stars.

The post-credits scene was great, but does anybody remember the prison scene? It shows Tony and security walking toward Whiplash's cell and they pause for a minute on a blonde haired muscular dude in a cell getting his photo taken.

I heard that this was a confirmed Thor spot as well.

hamgravy
05-08-2010, 06:56 AM
That was not my problem at all with the pacing. I can do slow--I PREFER slow. It's just that it was at times... well... awkward. Still a very good movie though, 4 stars.

Yeah, it's not about the movie being slow. The first movie was slow and balanced all of the plot, character, and action moments with more rhythm and ease.

If anything, the first one was daring for the slow build in allowing the viewer to experience the trial and error creation of the suit that had much more to do with revealing character than Bruce Wayne ordering his bat ears from china. Both Iron Man movies suffered from what feel like accelerated closing set pieces and the first has actually aged better for me in light of the weak final showdown with Whiplash.

And, does anyone really like chase scenes? They never get me excited and, for all the work they require to coordinate, seem like a visual mess. Wall-E, Monsters Inc., and Iron Man 2 (the drones) are three movies where the chase scene seems like filler that detracts from the whole.

UltimateFactor
05-08-2010, 06:56 AM
What, no love for
Cap's shield, or what's left of it, being used to prop up Tony's Machine?

:rofl:

hamgravy
05-08-2010, 06:57 AM
Thought it was great, enjoyed the first one more, but this was still awesome. Four stars.

The post-credits scene was great, but does anybody remember the prison scene? It shows Tony and security walking toward Whiplash's cell and they pause for a minute on a blonde haired muscular dude in a cell getting his photo taken.

I heard that this was a confirmed Thor spot as well.

Favs says no.

hamgravy
05-08-2010, 06:58 AM
On a sidenote, it was nice to see Quesada, Bendis, Fraction, Romita Sr. and some other comic creators included in the end credits.

Yeah man, definitely.

And it was cool that my fiancee now recognizes a lot of those names and was the one to point it out to me.

hamgravy
05-08-2010, 07:56 AM
Because you asked, here's how I could see a streamlined version of Iron Man 2 working better on its own merits and springboarding into the closing chapter of a trilogy: jettison the "the suit tech that is keeping me alive is killing me" sub-plot and subsequent creation of a new friggin' element in favor of Ten Rings world-building.

As I understood the story at the end of Iron Man 1 and the start of this movie, Tony has earned this new found level of Type A narcissism where is his outracing the legacy of his father and his company by trying to save the world from itself all while living the life of a flamboyant billionaire hero. And, he's doing it alone in defiance of the US Government. As shown by the Whiplash attack, the world won't be contained and no one man can do it.

Rather than follow an arc thematically and visually similar to the first movie with Tony upgrading his own life-support system, it makes more narrative sense to focus on how this one man would try to contain decentralized threats (as in Matt Fraction's "5 Nightmares" comic arc) and fail/ burn out. You could even have him "build a better suit" that would be cool to look at and have all bells and whistles but still won't allow him to be everywhere at once. Then, leaning on Rhodey, divesting the company to Pepper, and falling in line with the lead of SHIELD and the US government would show the same maturation of a character who is learning to trust the aid of others.

And, by insinuating The Ten Rings into Ivan's story, maybe as benefactor to his dad as reparations after the fall of the Soviet Union, or as the source of Ivan's papers and intel, the movie can set up a final act in part 3 in which the Ten Rings tighten their grip at the same time as Tony is backed by his friends and allies from this film.

joeAR
05-08-2010, 08:18 AM
Thought it was pretty damn good. Not quite as good as the 1st but still good. Seeing Cap's shield gave me a nerdgasm.

Matthew Brown
05-08-2010, 08:21 AM
Definitely nice for comic fans, but I was a bit disappointed that at my screening the only notable reaction I heard was a woman saying
"That's what we waited for? So they found some mysterious anvil thing. So what?"
:-?

On a sidenote, it was nice to see Quesada, Bendis, Fraction, Romita Sr. and some other comic creators included in the end credits.

Yeah, we had people getting frustrated through the credits and leaving, and of what's left there was little reaction. Some woman was bitching on the whole way out that it wasn't worth it.

Evan the Shaggy
05-08-2010, 08:32 AM
Nerdy nitpick:

So Whiplash has both Iron Man and War Machine tied up by their necks with his electric whips, their hands are fully free to attack him really, and he takes his helmet off??

hamgravy
05-08-2010, 08:38 AM
Nerdy nitpick:

So Whiplash has both Iron Man and War Machine tied up by their necks with his electric whips, their hands are fully free to attack him really, and he takes his helmet off??

YES! His entire motivation and approach to taking them on at the end seemed off to me. This fight should have improved upon the speedway brawl but didn't.

Given the locale, I was also hoping for more interesting shooting of the scene a la Kill Bill.

DaveCummings
05-08-2010, 08:54 AM
As far as Rhodey "stealing" the suit: it seemed to me that Tony let him take it. There's no way that Jarvis et al. in the workshop would have even allowed him into the display case if Tony hadn't set up an authorization specifically for him. Tony was probably thinking of Rhodey taking over when he died, rather than grabbing it while he was still alive, but he never seemed too fussed about it and that leads me to believe he intended at least some part of it.


I figured that as well. Hell, even Nick Fury made a mention of it and Tony makes some excuse, but Nick pointed out that Tony has failsafes to keep the armors from getting stolen.

Matthew Brown
05-08-2010, 08:58 AM
I figured that as well. Hell, even Nick Fury made a mention of it and Tony makes some excuse, but Nick pointed out that Tony has failsafes to keep the armors from getting stolen.

Probably because he tried to steal them!

The Sentient Xbox
05-08-2010, 09:21 AM
The National Treasure scene:

Everyone seemed to hate it...but i kinda liked it. I think Howard knew that the technology didn't exist at the time, and his history with Vanko made him weary of that level of technology getting into the wrong hands...so he refused to commit it to documents that could be seized, or tangible research that could be built upon. He knew that the tech wouldn't be around to see it through untill Tony was older, but he trusted the man his son would become...and that is why he says that he made the expo thing "for Tony" because he knew his son would figure it out. Like the movie said, they were in an energy race that would make the nuclear arms race nothing...and Howard had won it through the evolution of the Arc tech into what it is with the new element, but had grown weary...possibly as a result of his history with Vanko and the history of the Manhatten project. I dont know, it just really worked for me.

hamgravy
05-08-2010, 09:27 AM
The National Treasure scene:

Everyone seemed to hate it...but i kinda liked it. I think Howard knew that the technology didn't exist at the time, and his history with Vanko made him weary of that level of technology getting into the wrong hands...so he refused to commit it to documents that could be seized, or tangible research that could be built upon. He knew that the tech wouldn't be around to see it through untill Tony was older, but he trusted the man his son would become...and that is why he says that he made the expo thing "for Tony" because he knew his son would figure it out. Like the movie said, they were in an energy race that would make the nuclear arms race nothing...and Howard had won it through the evolution of the Arc tech into what it is with the new element, but had grown weary...possibly as a result of his history with Vanko and the history of the Manhatten project. I dont know, it just really worked for me.

It was overkill for me. The scavenger hunt for and creation of a new element is a movie unto itself and not a subplot remedy to an already weak, in my opinion, plot device in Tony's poisoning.

Plus, what exactly was the technology that Tony used to make it? Iron Man 1 works in part because we can understand the evolution of the arc technology to the miniaturized arc he creates in the cave and from the crude Mark 1 armor to the refined Mark 3. There are rules to their sci-fi and Tony's not just creating new elements or isotopes for weather control machines (FCBD) willy nilly. We know next to nothing about how he made a shiny triangle and it's not nearly as potent an image or device as the arc heart was in the first movie.

Howard's legacy is Tony attempting, with damning hubris, to "privatize world peace" on his own. Tony didn't also need to be dying. Creating a wonder element is secondary and muddled. And, to joke "that was easy" made it seem even more like a waste of my time.

Part of this suffers from the expectations of being a sequel but most of it was just overwritten.

The Sentient Xbox
05-08-2010, 09:33 AM
It was overkill for me. The scavenger hunt for and creation of a new element is a movie unto itself and not a subplot remedy to an already weak, in my opinion, plot device in Tony's poisoning.

Plus, what exactly was the technology that Tony used to make it? Iron Man 1 works in part because we can understand the evolution of the arc technology to the miniaturized arc he creates in the cave and from the crude Mark 1 armor to the refined Mark 3. There are rules to their sci-fi and Tony's not just creating new elements or isotopes for weather control machines (FCBD) willy nilly.

We know next to nothing about how he made a shiny triangle and it's not nearly as potent an image or device as the arc heart was in the first movie. And, to joke "that was easy" made it seem even more like a waste of my time.

Part of this suffers from the expectations of being a sequel but most of it was just overwritten.

Now part of this I agree with, I think it would have been stronger minus it being a fix for the heart/blood issue, and just necessity to overcome Vanko or something similar...and I wasnt crazy about the actual work done as it seemed thrown together.

But the motivations I think were there for Howards part in it, which everyone seems to hate...I think that part was solid, could have been handled a little better and taking the "cure" aspect out would have made it seemed less contrived.

But overall, I liked the idea.

hamgravy
05-08-2010, 09:42 AM
Now part of this I agree with, I think it would have been stronger minus it being a fix for the heart/blood issue, and just necessity to overcome Vanko or something similar...and I wasnt crazy about the actual work done as it seemed thrown together.

But the motivations I think were there for Howards part in it, which everyone seems to hate...I think that part was solid, could have been handled a little better and taking the "cure" aspect out would have made it seemed less contrived.

But overall, I liked the idea.

Fair enough, but in that regard it would almost seem like the focus would shift from Iron Man and tech as defense to creating the fuel of the future.

THAT would make for an utterly unique superhero movie. Showing Tony drive the planet into the future against all of the special interests that would stop him.

Iron Man 3?

Jonny Z
05-08-2010, 09:43 AM
i thought the first Iron Man had just a touch more sense of wonder and invention- it really opened the door to a new kind of superhero and for the expansion of the Marvel Universe. Iron Man 2 was a nice continuation. I gave it 4 stars, based on Iron Man 1 being 4.5 stars.

and the after credit scene gave me chills. even anticipating what it would probably be, it was still fucking awesome.

RebootedCorpse
05-08-2010, 10:19 AM
A geeky great time.

Fizz
05-08-2010, 10:39 AM
Overall, I thought it was pretty good but I was hoping it would be really great. I was hoping it would be one of those sequels that is a big leap forward from a first movie that was already pretty good (which is how I feel about X2, Spidey 2, Dark Knight). Instead I think that while some aspects were definitely a step or two above the first movie, some other aspects felt either equal to or slightly less than the first.

I think my main issues are with the pacing of the middle section of the movie and certain characters feeling underdeveloped.

I would consider the middle section of the movie to be everything after Monaco and before the Expo at the end. We get multiple scenes with Hammer and Vanko to establish that they're working on the drones, but they don't interact with Tony at all during this section. It felt odd to have quite a bit of the film go by without the hero interacting with the villians at all. Instead more emphasis was placed on Tony's condition and I think more time was spent on it than needed. It felt like it took a little too long for Tony to figure out how to create the new element. While the first movie had multiple scenes of Tony working on the suit, those scenes had a certain energy that isn't quite there in this section of the sequel. I think the first movie had an overall better flow and more consistent pacing.

I was disappointed that Tony and Vanko had so little screen time together. The fight at Monaco was cool but was a little too brief. Then once Vanko is arrested they have an interesting scene together that spells out Vanko's motivations. But after that there's nothing between them until Vanko gives him a brief phone call right before the expo. Then comes the final fight, and like Monaco it's pretty cool but also too brief. And then Vanko is dead. It feels like all of his stuff after Monaco just didn't have enough depth which is especially disappointing because I really liked Rourke's performance. I just wish he was given more to do.

Black Widow also felt underdeveloped. She just didn't seem to contribute that much until the climax. Again, I liked the performance but wish the character had more to do.

Maybe they should have trimmed one character out of the movie to give more time for the others. Maybe that could have helped with some of these issues.


Now having said all that, I can say that there's still plenty I enjoyed here that helped make up for the things I have issues with.


Robert Downey Jr. is obviously the standout performance, but everyone else does good too. I don't really have any complaints about any of the actors. Good performances all around. Good banter. Good humor. Good special effects. Badass Iron Man / War Machine team-up against the drones. Badass Black Widow fight scene. A decent acknowledgment of some of Tony's self destructive tendencies (a hint of "Demon in a Bottle"). An interesting look at Howard Stark. Some nice nods to Cap and Thor. And even after two years I still get a big kick out of seeing Nick Fury on the big screen looking like he stepped right out of the pages of Ultimates. I've seen criticism that it's Sam Jackson playing Nick Fury as Sam Jackson and while I can kinda see that, for whatever reason it just really works for me. Looking forward to seeing him pop up more in Marvel movies. Can't wait to see the Marvel Movie Universe expand more and lead up to Avengers. Now there's another movie that I'm going to have really high hopes for (especially if Whedon directs and does a script polish).

David Aspmo
05-08-2010, 10:51 AM
I think my main issues are with the pacing of the middle section of the movie and certain characters feeling underdeveloped.

I would consider the middle section of the movie to be everything after Monaco and before the Expo at the end. We get multiple scenes with Hammer and Vanko to establish that they're working on the drones, but they don't interact with Tony at all during this section. It felt odd to have quite a bit of the film go by without the hero interacting with the villians at all. Instead more emphasis was placed on Tony's condition and I think more time was spent on it than needed. It felt like it took a little too long for Tony to figure out how to create the new element. While the first movie had multiple scenes of Tony working on the suit, those scenes had a certain energy that isn't quite there in this section of the sequel. I think the first movie had an overall better flow and more consistent pacing.

I was disappointed that Tony and Vanko had so little screen time together. The fight at Monaco was cool but was a little too brief. Then once Vanko is arrested they have an interesting scene together that spells out Vanko's motivations. But after that there's nothing between them until Vanko gives him a brief phone call right before the expo. Then comes the final fight, and like Monaco it's pretty cool but also too brief. And then Vanko is dead. It feels like all of his stuff after Monaco just didn't have enough depth which is especially disappointing because I really liked Rourke's performance. I just wish he was given more to do.

Black Widow also felt underdeveloped. She just didn't seem to contribute that much until the climax. Again, I liked the performance but wish the character had more to do.

Maybe they should have trimmed one character out of the movie to give more time for the others. Maybe that could have helped with some of these issues.

I would have liked to have seen more of Rourke's Vanko as well, but I got pretty much what I expected (and wanted, really) of Black Widow for this movie.

DaveCummings
05-08-2010, 01:03 PM
It was overkill for me. The scavenger hunt for and creation of a new element is a movie unto itself and not a subplot remedy to an already weak, in my opinion, plot device in Tony's poisoning.

Plus, what exactly was the technology that Tony used to make it? Iron Man 1 works in part because we can understand the evolution of the arc technology to the miniaturized arc he creates in the cave and from the crude Mark 1 armor to the refined Mark 3. There are rules to their sci-fi and Tony's not just creating new elements or isotopes for weather control machines (FCBD) willy nilly. We know next to nothing about how he made a shiny triangle and it's not nearly as potent an image or device as the arc heart was in the first movie.

Howard's legacy is Tony attempting, with damning hubris, to "privatize world peace" on his own. Tony didn't also need to be dying. Creating a wonder element is secondary and muddled. And, to joke "that was easy" made it seem even more like a waste of my time.

Part of this suffers from the expectations of being a sequel but most of it was just overwritten.

It wasn't really a treasure hunt. Well, it didn't seem like a treasure hunt.

As for the Tony dying thing. I think it worked. It helped give an opening for Tony's self destructive behavior, and the explanation worked to. It was Tony overusing a flawed technology without realizing the side effects. It's something we've seen before in human history. And for the new element. He just realized that it's something his dad created, but couldn't create physically, due to technological limitations at the time. Tony created what looked kinda like a particle accelerator or a collider and was able to create it. Pretty much Nick and SHIELD kinda forced Tony into the same situation that led him to create the arc reactor and the Iron Man suit, they gave him the means for him to create and him facing his own mortality and the revelation that his dad gave him steered him in the right direction.


As for his joke. It was Tony just joking, because obviously it wasn't easy.

hamgravy
05-08-2010, 01:49 PM
Not "treasure hunt," National Treasure, as in the coincidental and corny uncoding of a secret message in the Expo Map.

And, I did get the joke, because it shouldn't be easy to make an element, but it wasn't clear what he did or that it was really complicated beyond running out of room and lasering things.

I'm running into the risk of sounding like a crank so I will say that I'd be eager to see the movie again if only to re-watch the Monaco race scene. That's all-around great movimaking and Iron Manning.

silverboy
05-08-2010, 02:03 PM
4 stars. Only real complaint was that the plot wasn't as airtight as in the original.

Marcdachamp
05-08-2010, 02:11 PM
- The entire Monte Carlo race scene. Seriously, this is an Iron Man short film. Self-destructive and flamboyant backed by his gal pal and bud against a ruthless threat in a gorgeous setting with a tech trick up his sleeve. Hit all the right notes in terms of Tony being cool/reckless in the face of his mortality. The exchange with Hammer was a lot of fun. The effects were also spot-on and this visualization of Whiplash makes for a great new pop culture evil.

That was pure greatness. That was a comic book on the big screen. Loved it.

bartleby
05-08-2010, 02:20 PM
Loved the introduction of Don Cheadle as Rhodey. "It's me. I'm here. Deal with it, and let's move on."

Matthew Brown
05-08-2010, 02:30 PM
Loved the introduction of Don Cheadle as Rhodey. "It's me. I'm here. Deal with it, and let's move on."

"I didn't expect to see you here."

totalsellout
05-08-2010, 02:51 PM
loved the movie but i have a couple thoughts on it.

to many plots. i loved scarlet in this, but she was pretty unneeded and didn't add a thing to the story, she should have cut.

did anyone else point out bendis in the credits like he was some guy your friends with? i totaly reacted like my buddy was up on screen.

jack white was credited as playing jack in the credits? i did not see him anywhere, what did i miss?

all the acting was great. not a single bad performance. the only misfire was furies unlock the riddle line.

Marcdachamp
05-08-2010, 03:38 PM
loved the movie but i have a couple thoughts on it.

to many plots. i loved scarlet in this, but she was pretty unneeded and didn't add a thing to the story, she should have cut.

did anyone else point out bendis in the credits like he was some guy your friends with? i totaly reacted like my buddy was up on screen.

jack white was credited as playing jack in the credits? i did not see him anywhere, what did i miss?

all the acting was great. not a single bad performance. the only misfire was furies unlock the riddle line.

Yeah, who was Jack?

Supreme Convoy
05-09-2010, 05:02 PM
I would say it meets, but doesn't excel like other sequels. Considering all the stuff put in it, I think it's fine. It's a matter of expectations really. If you go in expecting a X1->X2 shift, then yeah, you might be disappointed.

I couldn't quite put my finger on it until I saw this post, which sums up my feelings. It's not X2 or Dark Knight but it sure is a lot of fun.

I really do love that Monaco race sequence. Most importantly, I love the scenes with Tony and Pepper just as with the first movie.

The Nick Fury and Black Widow scenes may not have been as integral to the actual story as I imagined at least Fury had me excited about The Avengers.

Fake Pat
05-09-2010, 05:08 PM
I would say it meets, but doesn't excel like other sequels. Considering all the stuff put in it, I think it's fine. It's a matter of expectations really. If you go in expecting a X1->X2 shift, then yeah, you might be disappointed.

Most sequels go the extra CGI/fight scene approach.. this doesn't do that. It still keeps the humor, the fast pace and "fun".

Nailed it.

It was at the very least just as good as the first one. Personally, I liked this one a little better.

I think Favreau got a hell of a lot better at directing action.

Matt Jay
05-09-2010, 05:36 PM
Perfect popcorn flick. I had even more fun than the first.

silverboy
05-09-2010, 05:49 PM
I couldn't quite put my finger on it until I saw this post, which sums up my feelings. It's not X2 or Dark Knight but it sure is a lot of fun.

I really do love that Monaco race sequence. Most importantly, I love the scenes with Tony and Pepper just as with the first movie.

The Nick Fury and Black Widow scenes may not have been as integral to the actual story as I imagined at least Fury had me excited about The Avengers.

The scene from your sig wasn't even in the final movie, was it?

I would have liked just an eansy bit more establishment of the Widow character. And I really expected Tony to hit that. And while her fight scene was cool, I was almost expecting it to be even more badass--like the Neo/Trinity scene in the first Matrix.

DaveCummings
05-09-2010, 06:12 PM
Nailed it.

It was at the very least just as good as the first one. Personally, I liked this one a little better.

I think Favreau got a hell of a lot better at directing action.

Speaking of action sequences, according to the credits, Genndy Tartakovsky's contribution was the storyboarding the action sequence at the Stark Expo towards the end of the movie.

hamgravy
05-09-2010, 06:30 PM
Speaking of action sequences, according to the credits, Genndy Tartakovsky's contribution was the storyboarding the action sequence at the Stark Expo towards the end of the movie.

Yeah, completely evident in the robot "blood" and laser finishing move. But I've gotten the impression that he contributed more input than that one scene.

Supreme Convoy
05-09-2010, 06:50 PM
The scene from your sig wasn't even in the final movie, was it?

Sadly, no. Someone on the board also mentioned the final movie doesn't have the scene with Tony showing Black Widow those Iron Man gauntlets.

Not a huge deal but I truly love the "You complete me" moment in the trailer.

Ryan Elliott
05-09-2010, 07:13 PM
5 stars. Gave me everything I've wanted to see in an Iron Man movie, just like X2 gave me the X-Men, Spidey 2 gave me Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk gave me Hulk and TDK gave me Batman.

This was Iron Man.

King of Mars
05-09-2010, 08:01 PM
The Black Widow is a bitch.

So she goes to Hammer Industries to go capture Whiplash, and to get to him, she just breaks in, and kicks the ass of all the security guards without even saying anything! These security guards aren't evil! They're probably all just retired police officers who needed some extra cash because they have kids in college or their pension just isn't cutting it. I bet if she would have stepped, flashed a badge of some sort and showed some cleavage, they would have just taken her to the crazy Russian scientist, who I'm sure many of them didn't even know was there

Heh. You make a valid point, but I really liked the Widow's fight scene. I think it's a great example of how to shoot a scene with a non-powered superhero taking on a group of men. It was fluid and natural looking but still conveyed the notion that she was something more than just a regular human being.

Fake Pat
05-09-2010, 08:11 PM
Heh. You make a valid point, but I really liked the Widow's fight scene. I think it's a great example of how to shoot a scene with a non-powered superhero taking on a group of men. It was fluid and natural looking but still conveyed the notion that she was something more than just a regular human being.

Yup. It had some weight to it. Nice to see somebody do a scene like that without resorting to the "wire-fu" stuff for the millionth time.

ERNIE_E
05-10-2010, 02:01 AM
I for one enjoyed the heck out of the movie, but I also think that if you read the comics, that this film was more for you.

With the techno virus and the alcoholism sort of bunched up some, Stark as more of a consultant of shield, Rhodey and Tony spat, Stark having to recreate his life, Hammer trying to steal Tony's tech, Stark going public with his identity, I mean this is all stuff from the comics, from all the generations. And that's what the first one did as well. I do think you need to have the first film under your belt and 2 is less of a stand-alone than 1 was.

I liked Hammer although he got a little cliché/caricature at the end. Loved the fact that he uses bronzing cream and spreads it out very poorly. Fury was good, fun even. It's hard to see him as Fury though and not Sam Jackson. Cheadle was good, but there was a point when I was like, Terence Howard should have been in this film. I reall enjoyed the Howard/Tony stuff. I think that was the real strength of the IM2 and brought this story and really every IM story to its essentials and that's Tony and his technology. I liked the Pepper arc too and Rourke was darn good. A comic book movie to the end.

My biggest gripe is still (and was going in) with Scarjo. I have no problem with her or her ability, but really did not like her in this role. This stems from Emily Blunt not being able to do the role because of a prior commitment, but I did not like that she didn't even have a little Russian accent. I understand when she's under cover she has no accent. There should have had a little accent in the diner when she was out in the open. I still think she looks like Raggedy Scarlett, sorry, but Black Widow will always have straight hair for me. Permed extensions is not practical for a spy. She's hot, but she's not sultry and that's always been that slight difference between hitting the target and missing enough where it takes you out and I was taken out whenever she was on screen. I really think Marvel Studios has missed the boat in casting that corner of the universe. (DD, Elektra, Black Widow, Bullseye).

Now I think IM 2 has done a great job of building on the first, like the Spider-Man films, let's just hope the third one isn't such a fuck-up like Spidey 3 was or X3.

Akira
05-10-2010, 04:27 AM
Loved it. And I don't know if they totally re-wrote the character once he was recast, but I can't imagine Terrence Howard playing Rhodey in this one. Cheadle owned this role from beginning to end.

Doug
05-10-2010, 05:17 AM
I didn't like this as much as I liked the first film.

I felt that the story slowed down in the middle, and didn't really pick up again until the ending (from the time Tony creates the new element on).

My son on the other hand loved it. This was the first time he's gone to see a superhero film in the theatre with me, and he was in awe.

I also found myself not liking Tony as much this film. I got that he was pushing his closest friends away because he was dying. RDJ did a really good job because I really didn't like Tony.

The Black Widow also didn't really have much to do. Her action scene at the end was cool, but I wish there was a Russian accent.

Andrew
05-10-2010, 06:00 AM
Loved it. And I don't know if they totally re-wrote the character once he was recast, but I can't imagine Terrence Howard playing Rhodey in this one. Cheadle owned this role from beginning to end.

I thought the exact same thing.

While I thought he was fine as Rhodey in the first film, he seriously would have sucked as War Machine. I also can't imagine Terrence Howard picking a fight with Tony at the party. He's just not commanding enough.


The Black Widow also didn't really have much to do. Her action scene at the end was cool, but I wish there was a Russian accent.

Fully realizing, of course, that it wouldn't make sense if she did have one? Spies tend to shed things like accents (all part of not giving themselves away), and it's been long established that she doesn't have an accent in the comics either.

The Hodag
05-10-2010, 06:26 AM
Fully realizing, of course, that it wouldn't make sense if she did have one? Spies tend to shed things like accents (all part of not giving themselves away), and it's been long established that she doesn't have an accent in the comics either.

Tell that to Bendis's Daredevil run! She was straight up Boris & Natasha in that one.

Cth
05-10-2010, 06:31 AM
The novelization filled in a lot of the issues raised in this thread.. and since they were theoretically based on earlier versions of the script, maybe there'll be cutscenes on the DVD to address them.

RE: Ten Rings, Widow acting suspcious, etc

thatguyfromsyracuse
05-10-2010, 06:32 AM
Is Black Widow having a Russian accent really that big of a deal? I don't think it would have added anything to the movie if she busted out a "comrade" or anything like that.

Doug
05-10-2010, 06:57 AM
Is Black Widow having a Russian accent really that big of a deal? I don't think it would have added anything to the movie if she busted out a "comrade" or anything like that.

Not that big of a deal no, but I though it would have been cool if she brought it out in the doughnut shop.

Ab4dd0n
05-10-2010, 07:06 AM
Not that big of a deal no, but I though it would have been cool if she brought it out in the doughnut shop.

My thought was that it would have brought the movie down a bit if her accent has been poor, especially with Rourke doing his thing.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-10-2010, 09:25 AM
I for one enjoyed the heck out of the movie, but I also think that if you read the comics, that this film was more for you.

With the techno virus and the alcoholism sort of bunched up some, Stark as more of a consultant of shield, Rhodey and Tony spat, Stark having to recreate his life, Hammer trying to steal Tony's tech, Stark going public with his identity, I mean this is all stuff from the comics, from all the generations. And that's what the first one did as well. I do think you need to have the first film under your belt and 2 is less of a stand-alone than 1 was.

I liked Hammer although he got a little cliché/caricature at the end. Loved the fact that he uses bronzing cream and spreads it out very poorly. Fury was good, fun even. It's hard to see him as Fury though and not Sam Jackson. Cheadle was good, but there was a point when I was like, Terence Howard should have been in this film. I reall enjoyed the Howard/Tony stuff. I think that was the real strength of the IM2 and brought this story and really every IM story to its essentials and that's Tony and his technology. I liked the Pepper arc too and Rourke was darn good. A comic book movie to the end.

My biggest gripe is still (and was going in) with Scarjo. I have no problem with her or her ability, but really did not like her in this role. This stems from Emily Blunt not being able to do the role because of a prior commitment, but I did not like that she didn't even have a little Russian accent. I understand when she's under cover she has no accent. There should have had a little accent in the diner when she was out in the open. I still think she looks like Raggedy Scarlett, sorry, but Black Widow will always have straight hair for me. Permed extensions is not practical for a spy. She's hot, but she's not sultry and that's always been that slight difference between hitting the target and missing enough where it takes you out and I was taken out whenever she was on screen. I really think Marvel Studios has missed the boat in casting that corner of the universe. (DD, Elektra, Black Widow, Bullseye).

Now I think IM 2 has done a great job of building on the first, like the Spider-Man films, let's just hope the third one isn't such a fuck-up like Spidey 3 was or X3.

I have no idea what world you're living in where Scarlett Johansson is not sultry, but it is not a place I ever want to go.

Also, all this bitching about the accent is beyond absurd. It's like a bunch of people decided "we're going to act like everyone's worst impression of fanboys for shits and giggles!"

Matt Jay
05-10-2010, 09:47 AM
I have no idea what world you're living in where Scarlett Johansson is not sultry, but it is not a place I ever want to go.

Also, all this bitching about the accent is beyond absurd. It's like a bunch of people decided "we're going to act like everyone's worst impression of fanboys for shits and giggles!"

I don't mind the lack of accent, I'm put off by the complete lack of acting. It's like she was reading her lines out loud. No charisma or emotion whatsoever. You'd think a super-spy would, I don't know, ACT differently depending on whether they're supposed to be a lowly floater or a bad ass, but she remained a piece of wood throughout.

To her credit, she is hot and her action scenes were done well.

Josh!
05-10-2010, 01:09 PM
Liked it a lot. Maybe not as much as the first. My only small gripe was I preferred Terrance Howard as War Machine. Scarlet Johannsen was awesome.

Rod Nunley
05-10-2010, 01:27 PM
Liked it a lot. Maybe not as much as the first. My only small gripe was I preferred Terrance Howard as War Machine. Scarlet Johannsen was awesome.

Nerd Debate Point: Terrance Howard was never War Machine. He was only James 'Rhodey' Rhodes.

TheKraken
05-10-2010, 01:33 PM
In hindsight, I'm glad Natasha didn't have an accent. I went into it thinking there would be some kind of connection between her and Vanko, but since there isn't, giving a spy lady that Tony called "some kind of triple agent" a Russian accent would come off like a red herring or something. It would've been an unnecessary distraction in a movie that really didn't need any, considering how much it was already juggling.

King of Mars
05-10-2010, 01:45 PM
Yup. It had some weight to it. Nice to see somebody do a scene like that without resorting to the "wire-fu" stuff for the millionth time.

I totally agree.

Andrew
05-10-2010, 03:35 PM
Also, all this bitching about the accent is beyond absurd. It's like a bunch of people decided "we're going to act like everyone's worst impression of fanboys for shits and giggles!"

Exactly. And seriously, what is so hard to understand that an undercover spy should not have an accent or sound regionalized because it would give them away? Are fanboys blind to this simple, common sense notion?

Furthermore, who the fuck would actually want Scarlett Johansson to spend an entire movie giving a shitty attempt at a Russian accent anyway?

PhilipClark
05-10-2010, 04:13 PM
Really enjoyed it. Not a lot to complain about except The helicarrier scene with Tony and Pepper — where she kisses the helmet and the throws it, and he says "you complete me" — wasn't in the movie.

Felt there was a decent balance between character story and action story. Casting and performances were fine. Thought Don Cheadle came into the Rhodey role very well and was pleasantly surprised by Scarlet Johannsen.

The Marvel Universe building is being done very well and it looks like the momentum to The Avengers is going to be handled alright. As a Marvel movie, there's really not much to be mad at here.

The Hodag
05-10-2010, 04:40 PM
Exactly. And seriously, what is so hard to understand that an undercover spy should not have an accent or sound regionalized because it would give them away? Are fanboys blind to this simple, common sense notion?

I wasn't particularly bothered by it, but if she were to showcase a Russian accent, I assume it would be something that'd only come out once she was revealed. Or in communications with superiors. Or if she was doing the straight-up ACTION SPY thing - you know, a commando-type who leaps around on buildings, evades high tech scanners, beats up Hydra agents when they see her, etc.

For instance, Bendis had her with a thick Russian accent in his Daredevil run because she was among people like Daredevil who knew her and she was doing the ACTION SPY thing. If she'd put on a wig and gone undercover for part of that story (maybe she did, can't quite recall) I'm sure he'd have had her drop the accent.

Just because someone misses some facet of a character doesn't mean they would've wanted it used in the dumbest possible way.

BriRedfern
05-10-2010, 04:58 PM
I wasn't particularly bothered by it, but if she were to showcase a Russian accent, I assume it would be something that'd only come out once she was revealed. Or in communications with superiors. Or if she was doing the straight-up ACTION SPY thing - you know, a commando-type who leaps around on buildings, evades high tech scanners, beats up Hydra agents when they see her, etc.

For instance, Bendis had her with a thick Russian accent in his Daredevil run because she was among people like Daredevil who knew her and she was doing the ACTION SPY thing. If she'd put on a wig and gone undercover for part of that story (maybe she did, can't quite recall) I'm sure he'd have had her drop the accent.

Just because someone misses some facet of a character doesn't mean they would've wanted it used in the dumbest possible way.

What scene would you have wanted to see it?

The Hodag
05-10-2010, 05:10 PM
What scene would you have wanted to see it?

Like I said, it didn't really bother me.

If they'd decided to do the accent, I imagine it would've been a somewhat different movie - one where she had more overt ties to Russia, possibly a more adversarial role with Tony, and wasn't just a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent.

But I suppose if they'd done it in the movie they had, the time would've been in her interactions with Tony after her spying had been revealed to him. He'd probably be all, "That accent's hot as hell. Use it whenever you're around me."

oconnellmd
05-10-2010, 08:39 PM
Exactly. And seriously, what is so hard to understand that an undercover spy should not have an accent or sound regionalized because it would give them away? Are fanboys blind to this simple, common sense notion?

Furthermore, who the fuck would actually want Scarlett Johansson to spend an entire movie giving a shitty attempt at a Russian accent anyway?

Yeah, we all do remember watching Halle Berry in the first X-Men film, right?

evilgenius
05-11-2010, 12:41 AM
2.5 , or a solid Meh.

It wasn't BAD or anything, but I honestly feel like I could've as easily skipped out on seeing this and not felt I'd missed out. There are a few too many symptoms of sequel-itis for me to enjoy it properly.

Joe Kalicki
05-16-2010, 11:00 AM
I gave it two stars for the performances (although a well-trained monkey could have played Rhodey for all he did) and the Monte Carlo scene, but I thought it was a terrible movie.

Tom Burgos
05-16-2010, 11:57 AM
Finally saw it. Nice diversion to kill a few hours, but totally forgettable. Rourke's manic energy was the only thing that elevated the film from "meh" to "ok, this is alright" territory.

A.Huerta
05-16-2010, 12:15 PM
Scarlet cant act. I thought everyone knew this already?

Foolish Mortal
05-16-2010, 12:27 PM
The opening was great. Very Tony Starkish.

Tony confusing Stan Lee for Larry King. :lol:

The racing scene felt oddly fake. You could clearly tell the difference between the real race cars and the CGI cars.

The conflict between Tony and Rhodey felt a little forced. The fight between them in Tony's house was ridiculous. They could have gotten an innocent person killed. They were both acting reckless and irresponsible. At least Tony had the excuse of being drunk. What was Rhodey's excuse?

Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer steals EVERY scene he's in. He was phenomenal.

Mickey Rourke as Ivan Vanko was dark and menacing, but yet highly eccentric, and a little bit funny too. You could believe he was a genius.

The scenes with Tony and Fury and the other agent were hilarious. You could just feel Fury's contempt of Tony and Tony just loved throwing barb after barb at Fury.

The scene where Tony was figuring out the formula his father left was fantastic. The best CGI effects in the movie in my opinion.

Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow didn't really get to do much until the last 30 minutes of the movie. But when she did, Holy Shit!

The scene where she demolished all of those security guards was amazing. And the bit with Happy made me laugh out loud.

The final battle was well paced and thrilling.

And the scene after the credits...

When the SHIELD agent mentioned to Tony that he had to go to New Mexico, I immediately thought this was going to have to do with the Hulk.

But when it turned out to be Thor's hammer. It really surprised me. But great scene nonetheless.

Overall, I give it a solid ✰✰✰✰ out of five stars.

The story was a little shaky in parts, but the characters were all engaging and carried the movie.

UltimateFactor
05-16-2010, 12:49 PM
The opening was great. Very Tony Starkish.

Tony confusing Stan Lee for Larry King. :lol:

The racing scene felt oddly fake. You could clearly tell the difference between the real race cars and the CGI cars.

The conflict between Tony and Rhodey felt a little forced. The fight between them in Tony's house was ridiculous. They could have gotten an innocent person killed. They were both acting reckless and irresponsible. At least Tony had the excuse of being drunk. What was Rhodey's excuse?

Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer steals EVERY scene he's in. He was phenomenal.

Mickey Rourke as Ivan Vanko was dark and menacing, but yet highly eccentric, and a little bit funny too. You could believe he was a genius.

The scenes with Tony and Fury and the other agent were hilarious. You could just feel Fury's contempt of Tony and Tony just loved throwing barb after barb at Fury.

The scene where Tony was figuring out the formula his father left was fantastic. The best CGI effects in the movie in my opinion.

Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow didn't really get to do much until the last 30 minutes of the movie. But when she did, Holy Shit!

The scene where she demolished all of those security guards was amazing. And the bit with Happy made me laugh out loud.

The final battle was well paced and thrilling.

And the scene after the credits...

When the SHIELD agent mentioned to Tony that he had to go to New Mexico, I immediately thought this was going to have to do with the Hulk.

But when it turned out to be Thor's hammer. It really surprised me. But great scene nonetheless.

Overall, I give it a solid ✰✰✰✰ out of five stars.

The story was a little shaky in parts, but the characters were all engaging and carried the movie.

Agreed.

CougarTrace
05-16-2010, 02:16 PM
I thought it was a great movie.

I really like Cheadle as War Machine. He was better than the other guy in the 1st movie.

Love Scarlett as Black Widow when I didn't think I would.

Rourke was great.

And Robert Downey Jr. just owns the role.

However, Favreau needs to quit putting himself in the these movies.

What really surprised me is that I'm not liking Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury. I liked him in the role when he had bit parts, but when he had bigger scenes in the IM2, I just didn't believe him as Nick Fury. He was the weak part of the movie for me.

ThunderThunder
05-16-2010, 02:42 PM
Am I the only one who thought...

...that the photographer who stepped forward to take the picture of Shandling/Downey/Cheadle at the end "could've" been Peter Parker?

A.Huerta
05-16-2010, 03:14 PM
3 stars.

Very average.

InBendiswetrust
05-16-2010, 06:24 PM
I liked it a lot, but Kick-Ass is still #1 for me so far this year. This Iron Man was more about Tony Stark, the genius searching for his legacy rather than Tony Stark, the man searching for his soul.

NeverWanderer
05-16-2010, 06:58 PM
It's interesting to me that Favreau's role in the movie is annoying so many people (not just here, I've heard it mentioned elsewhere).

The recognizable majority of his career before these movies has been as an Actor first, Director second. He's a well-respected comedic actor (and writer, but that's beside the point), who actually has a background as a boxer. I would think those qualifications make him a perfectly good choice to play Happy (a boxer-turned-chauffeur) in these movies, regardless of whether he directed it or not.

And, doesn't it usually make fans *happy* to see beloved supporting characters get screentime in these movies?

I kinda feel like there are pre-programmed responses to directors who put themselves in their own movies at work here, rather than an actual assessment of the role itself.

Not trying to jump down anybody's throat. It just felt like something worth bringing up.

Foolish Mortal
05-16-2010, 07:02 PM
It's interesting to me that Favreau's role in the movie is annoying so many people (not just here, I've heard it mentioned elsewhere).

The recognizable majority of his career before these movies has been as an Actor first, Director second. He's a well-respected comedic actor (and writer, but that's beside the point), who actually has a background as a boxer. I would think those qualifications make him a perfectly good choice to play Happy (a boxer-turned-chauffeur) in these movies, regardless of whether he directed it or not.

And, doesn't it usually make fans *happy* to see beloved supporting characters get screentime in these movies?

I kinda feel like there are pre-programmed responses to directors who put themselves in their own movies at work here, rather than an actual assessment of the role itself.

Not trying to jump down anybody's throat. It just felt like something worth bringing up.
I didn't find Favreau annoying at all. In fact that fight scene with the Black Widow and the guards was the funniest damn scene in the movie. :lol:

Joe Kalicki
05-16-2010, 09:15 PM
Favreau is a pretty perfect Happy (just as he was a good Foggy). Now if he was giving it to Pepper, that would be better.

The Human Target
05-16-2010, 09:19 PM
I liked it. Has some worts, but the enthusiasm of many people involved smooths many of them over.

Ryudo
05-21-2010, 04:49 AM
5 stars. An incredible movie. We went to IMAX, so that made it even better - the sound effects were incredible and you could feel the rumble of the jet boots.

I had a blast watching this movie, even more than the first Iron Man. I have absolutely no nits to pick with this. It was a great moviegoing experience and worth the time. Everything was pitch-perfect, they explained the Palladium toxicity well, the new element thing was a fun and funny sequence, all the action scenes were superb, and the new additions to the cast (Howard, Johannson, Rourke, Rockwell) were excellent in their roles. I wonder what the "consultant" thing will mean when the Avengers movie finally comes to pass. But yeah, it was awesome... I loved the bronzer on the hands of Hammer, that was hilarious - and the effect of the "ex-wife." :) I can't say enough good things about this movie, and that it was done so well.





My biggest gripe is still (and was going in) with Scarjo. I have no problem with her or her ability, but really did not like her in this role. This stems from Emily Blunt not being able to do the role because of a prior commitment, but I did not like that she didn't even have a little Russian accent. I understand when she's under cover she has no accent. There should have had a little accent in the diner when she was out in the open. I still think she looks like Raggedy Scarlett, sorry, but Black Widow will always have straight hair for me. Permed extensions is not practical for a spy. She's hot, but she's not sultry and that's always been that slight difference between hitting the target and missing enough where it takes you out and I was taken out whenever she was on screen. I really think Marvel Studios has missed the boat in casting that corner of the universe. (DD, Elektra, Black Widow, Bullseye).

You are complaining about that which you have absolutely no control over. Of course you would not like her in this role going in because the actress you favored couldn't do it. Why complain about the accent? It was never implied where she was from, simply that she knew all the different languages. Your hair comment is really funny, though. Who cares about the hair? It looked fine on her. I'm sorry you were "taken out" but when you go in with a preconceived notion that she is going to be crappy and you are going to have problems with her, you set yourself up for failure.

Also, Fox casted Daredevil, Elektra, and Bullseye, not Marvel Studios.


Loved it. And I don't know if they totally re-wrote the character once he was recast, but I can't imagine Terrence Howard playing Rhodey in this one. Cheadle owned this role from beginning to end.

I totally agree with you.

Cradleman
05-31-2010, 02:42 PM
Just went to go see it today, and I am rather impressed. Black Widow seemed a tad unnecessary, as if they could have given her a lot more to do, but still she was definitely nice eye candy. :D Loved RDJ in it, he totally made the movie, and his chemistry with Gwyneth Paltrow was as good as in the first one. I really enjoyed both Rourke as Vanko and Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer. Rockwell did a really good job with Hammer, and made a character who seemed to me to be deliberately boring and lame actually pretty interesting. the fight scenes were pretty magnificent, and the ending was great. 8.5 out of 10 for me