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Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 03:58 PM
Jack has to decide whether or not he trusts Locke after he is asked to follow through on a difficult task.

Daniel Faraday/Widmore (Jeremy Davies)
Charles Widmore (Alan Dale)
Bernard Nadler (Sam Anderson)
Andrea Gabriel (Nadia Jazeem)
Anthony Cooper (Kevin Tighe)
Helen Norwood (Katey Sagal)

Written by Elizabeth Sarnoff and Jim Galasso

Directed by Jack Bender.

Fake Pat
05-04-2010, 03:59 PM
Is this the MIB one?

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 04:01 PM
Is this the MIB one?
Damned if I know. I make it a point of avoiding any and all advanced info about Lost. :D

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
05-04-2010, 04:01 PM
Is this the MIB one?

That is next week.

silverboy
05-04-2010, 04:22 PM
Won't be able to watch this until tomorrow :(

artimoff
05-04-2010, 04:43 PM
I thought we had 2 weeks off.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 04:49 PM
I thought we had 2 weeks off.
:no: I think it was said several times in the last thread it would be back May 4th.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 04:56 PM
4 Minutes!

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 05:00 PM
I thought we had 2 weeks off.

It's been 2 weeks since the last new episode. ;)

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 05:03 PM
Man, that nerd is a dick.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:08 PM
Quick question-
I started rewatching the show on blu-ray, and I'm just about finished with season 1.
I've been watching all along, and apparently I'm forgetting little things here and there.

For some reason, I can't remember how Helen went from being a telephone(sex?) operator charging $90/hour to actually being with Locke.
Or is it just a different chick with the same name?

mbstoner
05-04-2010, 05:12 PM
Quick question-
I started rewatching the show on blu-ray, and I'm just about finished with season 1.
I've been watching all along, and apparently I'm forgetting little things here and there.

For some reason, I can't remember how Helen went from being a telephone(sex?) operator charging $90/hour to actually being with Locke.
Or is it just a different chick with the same name?

If I remember correctly, Helen was just a name the phone sex operator was using for Locke, who presumably asked her to use it after Peg Bundy Helen broke up with him.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 05:14 PM
Shouldn't Claire be in the cage, too? Or am I forgetting something from last episode?

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 05:16 PM
Nightman cometh!

LeggoMyEggolas
05-04-2010, 05:19 PM
Fuck. Why am I getting a sickening Whedon-feeling already?

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:19 PM
If I remember correctly, Helen was just a name the phone sex operator was using for Locke, who presumably asked her to use it after Peg Bundy Helen broke up with him.

According to lostpedia, you are correct.
THANKS!

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 05:22 PM
Cth, I am expecting a gif of MiB snapping that guy's neck. :)

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:23 PM
Cth, I am expecting a gif of MiB snapping that guy's neck. :)

Yep, i'd imagine one is on the way shortly :D

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 05:23 PM
Aw he stole that guy's calculator watch!

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:24 PM
I wonder what's up with the watch.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:26 PM
Maybe they have to be off the island by/within a certain time?

Boris the Blade
05-04-2010, 05:27 PM
More bombs in bags... Don't drop this one too hard Locke!

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 05:30 PM
More bombs in bags... Don't drop this one too hard Locke!

C4 is a lot more stable than dynamite. ;)

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:31 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/8xlshl.gif

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 05:32 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/8xlshl.gif

yes! :D

Also, mirror!

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:32 PM
A mirror!
Catch A Falling Star!

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:32 PM
Ahh.. the watch is a remote detonator for the C4?

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:35 PM
Boom goes the dynamite!

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:35 PM
Ahh.. the watch is a remote detonator for the C4?

I bet you're right.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 05:37 PM
Claire! :cry:

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:37 PM
Oh crap.
Jack's got the C4 backpack, too.

MabusRex
05-04-2010, 05:39 PM
Oh crap.
Jack's got the C4 backpack, too.

That switch was way too obvious.

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 05:40 PM
Animated gif of Nightman poppin' guys?

Boris the Blade
05-04-2010, 05:40 PM
Oh crap.
Jack's got the C4 backpack, too.
Don't give it to a clumsy ancilliary character!

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:40 PM
The question is which fanbase is going to bitch the loudest?

The Anti-Jack crowd?

LeggoMyEggolas
05-04-2010, 05:41 PM
Wheeeeeeeedoooooooon!

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 05:44 PM
Man of faith jack attack!

Boris the Blade
05-04-2010, 05:44 PM
"He wants us to kill each other."

Well, that makes a whole lot of sense in the context of the entire show.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 05:46 PM
I think that's Sayid's redemption.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:46 PM
Way to go, Sawyer. :no:

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:46 PM
Middle eastern guy running around with a bomb.. someone's going to complain!

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 05:46 PM
THERE IS NO SAYID.


Harsh.

Jim.
05-04-2010, 05:47 PM
What did Sayid say to Jack? I was eating a cookie.

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:47 PM
Hrm.. any significance to Jack touching people, ala Jacob, saving them?

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:48 PM
What did Sayid say to Jack? I was eating a cookie.

He told him that Desmond was in the well, and they were going to need him.
And, "It's going to be you, Jack."

MabusRex
05-04-2010, 05:50 PM
Dammit, Sawyer!

Boris the Blade
05-04-2010, 05:51 PM
:(

That was very touching.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 05:52 PM
Jin! Sun! Sayid! :(

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 05:52 PM
:cry:

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:52 PM
:(

That was very touching.

And in the end, he drifted away from her anyway. :sad:

Kman00001
05-04-2010, 05:53 PM
:cry:

Fuck.

MabusRex
05-04-2010, 05:54 PM
So I guess this confirms the sideways universe is the one to survive, eh?

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:54 PM
At least we're rid of Lapidus finally :lol:

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:55 PM
So I guess this confirms the sideways universe is the one to survive, eh?

But then why would they all have/need memories of the original timeline?

mbstoner
05-04-2010, 05:55 PM
Jin! Sun! Sayid! :(

Lapidus too or did he get out through the port hole that blew out?

Cth
05-04-2010, 05:55 PM
So I guess this confirms the sideways universe is the one to survive, eh?

How so?

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 05:56 PM
Filler.

Boris the Blade
05-04-2010, 05:56 PM
Filler.
Where was the smoke monster? After the first ten minutes, I mean. There was like, no smoke monster at all after that.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 05:57 PM
Hrm.. any significance to Jack touching people, ala Jacob, saving them?

Who all has he touched in the sideways timeline?

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 05:57 PM
Filler.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6650/shovelxg5.gif

LeggoMyEggolas
05-04-2010, 05:58 PM
Effin Jack!

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 05:58 PM
Oh when Hurley is sad I'm sad. :cry:

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 06:00 PM
"I wish you'd believe me."

Same thing Locke said to Jack once.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 06:00 PM
Oh when Hurley is sad I'm sad. :cry:

Poor Hugo. :(

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 06:01 PM
Oh when Hurley is sad I'm sad. :cry:

:cry:

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 06:02 PM
Oh I hope the next episode is like a Beckett play.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 06:02 PM
"I wish you'd believe me."

Same thing Locke said to Jack once.

Didn't Locke say "I wish you didn't believe me." in this episode?
And something about pushing the button?

MabusRex
05-04-2010, 06:03 PM
How so?

Because it's the endgame. You have people dying left and right, and it makes more sense for the happy ending to have them live on elsewhere. Also, by giving them the memories of the original universe, you effectively keep the original characters alive in a new setting.

Could be wrong, though...

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 06:03 PM
Lapidus too or did he get out through the port hole that blew out?

They don't show Lapidus again after he got hit by the hatch, so I'm guessing he's alive.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 06:04 PM
Because it's the endgame. You have people dying left and right, and it makes more sense for the happy ending to have them live on elsewhere. Also, by giving them the memories of the original universe, you effectively keep the original characters alive in a new setting.

Could be wrong, though...
You may be right.

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 06:04 PM
They don't show Lapidus again after he got hit by the hatch, so I'm guessing he's alive.

Turns out he's on the list of super-candidates!

Cth
05-04-2010, 06:05 PM
Because it's the endgame. You have people dying left and right, and it makes more sense for the happy ending to have them live on elsewhere. Also, by giving them the memories of the original universe, you effectively keep the original characters alive in a new setting.

Could be wrong, though...

Ahh. Ok, makes sense.

Drkemerld73
05-04-2010, 06:06 PM
You killed Sun and Jin! You BASTARDS!
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2009/08/14/south-park-584-getty.jpg

jamestolliver
05-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Great episode. Very touching. Jack was really good in it. I still wonder who Juliet will shoot! Scary stuff.

Cth
05-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Lapidus has to be dead.

Anyways, someone raised a good point..

"Why not kill them on the plane?"

He can't kill them -- as Jack said, he wants them to turn on one another.. this effectively had candidates killing the others via loophole.

MIKE D
05-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Because it's the endgame. You have people dying left and right, and it makes more sense for the happy ending to have them live on elsewhere. Also, by giving them the memories of the original universe, you effectively keep the original characters alive in a new setting.

Could be wrong, though...

I've felt for some time now that the alternate timeline is their reward for stopping Smokey.

Sy-Klone
05-04-2010, 06:07 PM
One episode sees the demise of one Iraqi and two Koreans.

Hurray for white people! ;)

Jason Baur
05-04-2010, 06:08 PM
Oh when Hurley is sad I'm sad. :cry:

Hugo crying was deeply unsettling for some reason. It's been so long, I don't even remember, but did he cry like that when Libby died?

Jason Baur
05-04-2010, 06:10 PM
One episode sees the demise of one Iraqi and two Koreans.

Hurray for white people! ;)

And Hugo. One minority left standing!

MIKE D
05-04-2010, 06:10 PM
They don't show Lapidus again after he got hit by the hatch, so I'm guessing he's alive.

No way. He was cannon fodder. You don't wake up from a hit like that fast, and that hall was flooded long before then. Dude's dead.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 06:11 PM
Great episode, but so fucking dark.

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 06:12 PM
Great episode. But...

Okay, I gotta admit-- they seem to have really dropped the "infection" thing when it comes to Claire and Sayid.

THWIP!
05-04-2010, 06:12 PM
Hugo crying was deeply unsettling for some reason. It's been so long, I don't even remember, but did he cry like that when Libby died?

Seriously. That got me me.

Big McLargeHuge
05-04-2010, 06:13 PM
FUCK Lost! FUCK Lost in the ASS!

Those are my feelings and I'm sticking to them!

Fourthman
05-04-2010, 06:14 PM
Great episode, but so fucking dark.

Not really; the show's all white now.

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 06:14 PM
Not really; the show's all white now.

Richard.

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 06:15 PM
Also, they left the two Koreans so they could save the Southern gentleman.

Fourthman
05-04-2010, 06:16 PM
Richard.

And Miles. But I was mostly kidding.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 06:16 PM
Lapidus has to be dead.

Anyways, someone raised a good point..

"Why not kill them on the plane?"

He can't kill them -- as Jack said, he wants them to turn on one another.. this effectively had candidates killing the others via loophole.

Sawyer "killed" Lapidus, Sayid, Sun, and Jin by tampering with the timer on the bomb.

If he hadn't, they all would have died, because Jack brought the bomb onto the sub, right?

In other words, they all would have died because MIB didn't put the bomb onto the sub, Jack took it onto the sub, even though he didn't know he was doing it.

So, in a way, Sawyer actually saved himself, Jack, Kate, and Hurley.

justjeffery
05-04-2010, 06:18 PM
Hey! Hurley is Hispanic!

Lupidis is dead... his compartment flooded before the others.. he's toast. Token white dude killed....

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 06:19 PM
Also white dudes on the sub in general.

Jonny Z
05-04-2010, 06:19 PM
dayum. How did Jack find Anthony Cooper so easily while Sawyer went all around the world trying to find him?

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 06:19 PM
Great episode. But...

Okay, I gotta admit-- they seem to have really dropped the "infection" thing when it comes to Claire and Sayid.
Not really.

Danielle Rousseau was also supposedly "infected", but towards the end, she seemed to regain some of her emotions and rationality. Particularly when she was reunited with Alex.

Perhaps reconnecting with people that you have an emotional connection to can fight off the infection.

stephenp01
05-04-2010, 06:20 PM
And we just got an extra 30 minutes added to the finale!

http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/05/abc-expands-lost-finale-by-extra-halfhour.html

Cth
05-04-2010, 06:21 PM
Sawyer "killed" Lapidus, Sayid, Sun, and Jin by tampering with the timer on the bomb.

If he hadn't, they all would have died, because Jack brought the bomb onto the sub, right?

In other words, they all would have died because MIB didn't put the bomb onto the sub, Jack took it onto the sub, even though he didn't know he was doing it.

So, in a way, Sawyer actually saved himself, Jack, Kate, and Hurley.

I disagree.

Jack didn't make a conscious choice/decision that resulted in that.

Sawyer did.

Jonny Z
05-04-2010, 06:21 PM
that's the first time I've ever seen an arab with a bomb run away from white people.*

*too soon?

THWIP!
05-04-2010, 06:22 PM
There was no way that Sun was getting unstuck. :cry:

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 06:22 PM
dayum. How did Jack find Anthony Cooper so easily while Sawyer went all around the world trying to find him?

That guy has some serious talent.
He didn't blink once the whole time he was on screen.

MIKE D
05-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Sawyer "killed" Lapidus, Sayid, Sun, and Jin by tampering with the timer on the bomb.

If he hadn't, they all would have died, because Jack brought the bomb onto the sub, right?

In other words, they all would have died because MIB didn't put the bomb onto the sub, Jack took it onto the sub, even though he didn't know he was doing it.

So, in a way, Sawyer actually saved himself, Jack, Kate, and Hurley.

No. Jack brought the bomb onboard. He didn't trigger it. Sawyer did. Jack was right, and if Sawyer listened they'd all be alive.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 06:23 PM
Not really.

Danielle Rousseau was also supposedly "infected", but towards the end, she seemed to regain some of her emotions and rationality. Particularly when she was reunited with Alex.

Perhaps reconnecting with people that you have an emotional connection to can fight off the infection.

That was my thought, too. It seems like the infection is just a term for MiB's influence on a person, and it makes sense that this could be overcome by the influence of other people.

Jonny Z
05-04-2010, 06:23 PM
I loved the episode, but I had a bit of a problem with Jin not leaving Sun... he never got to meet his daughter!!!!

MabusRex
05-04-2010, 06:23 PM
Sawyer "killed" Lapidus, Sayid, Sun, and Jin by tampering with the timer on the bomb.

If he hadn't, they all would have died, because Jack brought the bomb onto the sub, right?

In other words, they all would have died because MIB didn't put the bomb onto the sub, Jack took it onto the sub, even though he didn't know he was doing it.

So, in a way, Sawyer actually saved himself, Jack, Kate, and Hurley.

Not really, because Jack couldn't have been killed by the bomb in the first place.

Cth
05-04-2010, 06:24 PM
Heh, funnies from elsewhere:



Pretty sad ending for the Kwons.

Although I couldn't help thinking how funny it would have been for Jin to use his final breath to button up Sun's blouse

Jonny Z
05-04-2010, 06:24 PM
That guy has some serious talent.
He didn't blink once the whole time he was on screen.

he should seriously win an award for best supporting catatonic cripple.

Hey Cth, we need some screenshots and gifs of Anthony Cooper's face!!!

THWIP!
05-04-2010, 06:25 PM
I loved the episode, but I had a bit of a problem with Jin not leaving Sun... he never got to meet his daughter!!!!

I was thinking that the entire time.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 06:25 PM
I disagree.

Jack didn't make a conscious choice/decision that resulted in that.

Sawyer did.

So, MIB's plan was for them to tamper with the bomb and then have it blow up, in effect having the tamperer kill everyone.

justjeffery
05-04-2010, 06:25 PM
There was no way that Sun was getting unstuck. :cry:

Guess it doesnt matter as to which one was the candidate was now, does it?

Walt and their kid will now team up to avenge the death of their families... Lost TNG!

Rafiennes
05-04-2010, 06:26 PM
Just finished watching.

Give Terry O'Quinn the emmy now.
That scene in the hallway of the hospital...holy fuck that some awesome acting.

And Michael Giacchino is the silent MVP of the show. Just sayin'

Crimsonpug
05-04-2010, 06:26 PM
Because it's the endgame. You have people dying left and right, and it makes more sense for the happy ending to have them live on elsewhere. Also, by giving them the memories of the original universe, you effectively keep the original characters alive in a new setting.

Could be wrong, though...
I get what you're saying, but to me that would just belittle everything that came before it.
I mean why watch a show for 5 years where everyone is on an island if it all ends that no one went to the island to begin with? It seems very Dallas in the "the whole thing was a dream" theme.

I hope it really doesn't end that way.

That said I REALLY have no theories as to what role the alt universe is playing.

---

Quick question now - is it 1 or 2 more episodes till the finale? Do I have 3 and half more hours of Lost or 4 and a half????

LeggoMyEggolas
05-04-2010, 06:27 PM
So the sideverse is the Dark Tower loop starting over?

Sy-Klone
05-04-2010, 06:27 PM
As we get closer to the end of the series, I'm way more interested in the flash-sideways stuff than the island stuff. For instance, this episode was action-packed, yet I was still eager to wade through the island stuff in order to get back to the interesting Locke/Jack stuff in the sideways-flash.

The sideways-flash stuff feels closer to the LOST I fell in love with (with all the little connections being seeded and explored and established) rather than all this Smoke Monster versus Widmore versus Jacob "leave the island" stuff.

justjeffery
05-04-2010, 06:27 PM
I get what you're saying, but to me that would just belittle everything that came before it.
I mean why watch a show for 5 years where everyone is on an island if it all ends that no one went to the island to begin with? It seems very Dallas in the "the whole thing was a dream" theme.

I hope it really doesn't end that way.

That said I REALLY have no theories as to what role the alt universe is playing.

---

Quick question now - is it 1 or 2 more episodes till the finale? Do I have 3 and half more hours of Lost or 4 and a half????

2 episodes then the 2.5 hour final episode

PeterSparker
05-04-2010, 06:28 PM
Filler

Deej
05-04-2010, 06:28 PM
that's the first time I've ever seen an arab with a bomb run away from white people.*

*too soon?

:rofl:

THWIP!
05-04-2010, 06:29 PM
Just finished watching.

Give Terry O'Quinn the emmy now.
That scene in the hallway of the hospital...holy fuck that some awesome acting.

And Michael Giacchino is the silent MVP of the show. Just sayin'

Agreed.

Cth
05-04-2010, 06:31 PM
So, MIB's plan was for them to tamper with the bomb and then have it blow up, in effect having the tamperer kill everyone.

Yep.

Since Sayid was on board, and he's the resident bomb defuser guy.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 06:32 PM
Didn't Locke say "I wish you didn't believe me." in this episode?
And something about pushing the button?

He said "Push the button.", and "I wish you hadn't believed me."

MabusRex
05-04-2010, 06:32 PM
I get what you're saying, but to me that would just belittle everything that came before it.
I mean why watch a show for 5 years where everyone is on an island if it all ends that no one went to the island to begin with? It seems very Dallas in the "the whole thing was a dream" theme.

I hope it really doesn't end that way.

That said I REALLY have no theories as to what role the alt universe is playing.

---

Quick question now - is it 1 or 2 more episodes till the finale? Do I have 3 and half more hours of Lost or 4 and a half????

But it wasn't a dream. Hence having the characters remember their former lives. And it's not as simple as them not getting on the plane. The entire history has change. Those changes wouldn't have the impact they do without knowing what they were changed from. Hence Alex being alive, Desmond and Penny's first meeting, etc.

Crimsonpug
05-04-2010, 06:33 PM
2 episodes then the 2.5 hour final episode

Thanks.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 06:34 PM
To lighten things a little..

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/4579398957_02c35251e3_o.gif (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7669666@N03/4579398957/)

Crimsonpug
05-04-2010, 06:36 PM
But it wasn't a dream. Hence having the characters remember their former lives. And it's not as simple as them not getting on the plane. The entire history has change. Those changes wouldn't have the impact they do without knowing what they were changed from. Hence Alex being alive, Desmond and Penny's first meeting, etc.
I am not saying that it would be a dream, just that it would have that real "retcon" feel to it. And to me it seems off.
I mean I love the show and all the characters, but I really don't want a candy coated, Hollywood style "everyone lives and we're all a happy bunch" crap fest ending.
I'm sure there is a major plot reveal upcoming about the alt-verse, but I don't want it to be "Here is your reward for stopping the Devil - have a happy life!"

Fake Pat
05-04-2010, 06:37 PM
That right there was a good one.

PeterSparker
05-04-2010, 06:37 PM
that's the first time I've ever seen an arab with a bomb run away from white people.*

*too soon?

:lol:


I loved the episode, but I had a bit of a problem with Jin not leaving Sun... he never got to meet his daughter!!!!
It was emotional and everything, but Sun, the Sun I know and love, would've insisted he go! Not only to see her but to raise her! I don't know, you could say it was implied, they knew all that without it being said and he stayed anyway, ok maybe and it was powerful and unexpected to be sure. But she would've said it!








(and here's the most minor quibble ever with a show that had that much happen, but when that orderly is wheeling Locke out of the hospital and Locke said he had a ride and, "Ill take it from here", that would NEVER happen. That's hospital insurance 101, no orderly charged with that wouldn't see him right to his vehicle outside the hospital... eh sorry, it bugged me :) )

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 06:41 PM
And Michael Giacchino is the silent MVP of the show. Just sayin'

I've got the first four seasons' soundtracks (the fifth is scheduled to be released next Tuesday).
I have them all on my Zune, and they're all great.
I think this one's my favorite tune from the whole show (so far). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27n1_NShBFY)

Bill Nolan
05-04-2010, 06:42 PM
Wow, they brought back the dude from "Emergency" just to silently drool for a few seconds. LOLZ.

Crimsonpug
05-04-2010, 06:43 PM
(and here's the most minor quibble ever with a show that had that much happen, but when that orderly is wheeling Locke out of the hospital and Locke said he had a ride and, "Ill take it from here", that would NEVER happen. That's hospital insurance 101, no orderly charged with that wouldn't see him right to his vehicle outside the hospital... eh sorry, it bugged me :) )
I thought the same thing. I just tell myself that TV rules aren't always the same as real life rules.

MabusRex
05-04-2010, 06:43 PM
I am not saying that it would be a dream, just that it would have that real "retcon" feel to it. And to me it seems off.
I mean I love the show and all the characters, but I really don't want a candy coated, Hollywood style "everyone lives and we're all a happy bunch" crap fest ending.
I'm sure there is a major plot reveal upcoming about the alt-verse, but I don't want it to be "Here is your reward for stopping the Devil - have a happy life!"

Want to make sure you know I'm not trying to beat my opinion or anything. Just fun talking about this.

As to your point, I'm not sure any of the Losties have lives to go to once this is done in the original 'verse, though. So it really becomes what would be the best payoff to the viewer. And while wiping out the old universe would be a risk, I still think the alt-verse would be a better payoff.

Cth
05-04-2010, 06:44 PM
I've got the first four seasons' soundtracks (the fifth is scheduled to be released next Tuesday).
I have them all on my Zune, and they're all great.
I think this one's my favorite tune from the whole show (so far). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27n1_NShBFY)

I thought it was released today?

Anyways, as far as Lapidus goes.. there's always leaving the island via the donkey wheel too

Gangy
05-04-2010, 06:45 PM
That was heavy. I had a feeling someone was going to bite it tonight, but not FOUR people. The shit is getting real.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 06:49 PM
Lupidis is dead... his compartment flooded before the others.. he's toast. Token white dude killed....
Not convinced yet.

Dark Sasha
05-04-2010, 06:53 PM
Turns out he is a fishman.

Jonny Z
05-04-2010, 06:55 PM
I'm gonna read way too much into this, but do you guys think that perhaps the bomb and its timer was on some sort of loop? so every few minutes the countdown would start again so that Jack and company would react the same way no matter when they found it?

Or did Fake Locke know that they'd open the bag that quickly?

Crimsonpug
05-04-2010, 06:57 PM
Want to make sure you know I'm not trying to beat my opinion or anything. Just fun talking about this.

As to your point, I'm not sure any of the Losties have lives to go to once this is done in the original 'verse, though. So it really becomes what would be the best payoff to the viewer. And while wiping out the old universe would be a risk, I still think the alt-verse would be a better payoff.
Oh I agree that it would a good payoff. Its just that for this show I personally wouldn't like such a rainbow ending. I want blood.
To paraphrase someone earlier - I would LOVE a Wheddon ending. Hell to me I think it would be awesome to have a Jack and Locke only ending - where everything falls down to just them.
But what I really want to do is just stop trying to picture the ending in my head. Because the more I do - the more I'll like "my" ending more, and that may make me be disapointed in the actual ending.

justjeffery
05-04-2010, 06:59 PM
Oh I agree that it would a good payoff. Its just that for this show I personally wouldn't like such a rainbow ending. I want blood.
To paraphrase someone earlier - I would LOVE a Wheddon ending. Hell to me I think it would be awesome to have a Jack and Locke only ending - where everything falls down to just them.
But what I really want to do is just stop trying to picture the ending in my head. Because the more I do - the more I'll like "my" ending more, and that may make me be disapointed in the actual ending.

Have Locke walk up to Jack, who's sitting on the beach and have Locke tell him that he's gonna find a way to kill him...

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 07:02 PM
I thought it was released today?

Anyways, as far as Lapidus goes.. there's always leaving the island via the donkey wheel too

Accoring to Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Season_5_%28Original_Television_Soundtrack%29 ) and Varese Sarabande(the record label) (http://www.varesesarabande.com/details.asp?pid=vsd-302-067-025-2), it's next week.

It's $16.98+Tax+S+H on the record label's site (http://www.varesesarabande.com/details.asp?pid=vsd-302-067-025-2), $14.99 on Bestbuy.com (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=0ECB279EDB45717F36EDFCDFA11 DCA9E.bbolsp-app03-40?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-5241663610492294804&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=lost+season+5+soundtrack&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960), and I can't find a listing for it on Amazon.

ETA:And as soon as I search amazon again, it's there($13.99) (http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Season-5-Michael-Giacchino/dp/B003FLRQPI).

Duh-I didn't find it because I was searching MP3 albums. :crazy:

MabusRex
05-04-2010, 07:04 PM
Oh I agree that it would a good payoff. Its just that for this show I personally wouldn't like such a rainbow ending. I want blood.
To paraphrase someone earlier - I would LOVE a Wheddon ending. Hell to me I think it would be awesome to have a Jack and Locke only ending - where everything falls down to just them.
But what I really want to do is just stop trying to picture the ending in my head. Because the more I do - the more I'll like "my" ending more, and that may make me be disapointed in the actual ending.

But the joy of the two universes is that you can have both ;)

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 07:07 PM
Not really.

Danielle Rousseau was also supposedly "infected", but towards the end, she seemed to regain some of her emotions and rationality. Particularly when she was reunited with Alex.

Perhaps reconnecting with people that you have an emotional connection to can fight off the infection.

When was Danielle infected? She said her friends were infected, which they were-- when she dealt with them via gun.

I'm just saying, infection seems like an odd term for just being on the guy's side. And with Sayid, they seemed to go somewhere with the whole "I don't feel anything"/sideways-timeline choices, but then... suddenly that didn't matter.

Cth
05-04-2010, 07:07 PM
In reverse:
http://i44.tinypic.com/29py9na.gif

AndrewG
05-04-2010, 07:09 PM
In reverse:
http://i44.tinypic.com/29py9na.gif

Hilarious

Cth
05-04-2010, 07:09 PM
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/04/lost-producers-actors-candidate/

Tonight's episode discussed

stephenp01
05-04-2010, 07:09 PM
Have Locke walk up to Jack, who's sitting on the beach and have Locke tell him that he's gonna find a way to kill him...

That's what I'm hoping for.

AndrewG
05-04-2010, 07:10 PM
A great episode in a great season for a great show. My wife and I were tearing up in the end. It really is almost the end, isn't it?

Cth
05-04-2010, 07:10 PM
Accoring to Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Season_5_%28Original_Television_Soundtrack%29 ) and Varese Sarabande(the record label) (http://www.varesesarabande.com/details.asp?pid=vsd-302-067-025-2), it's next week.

It's $16.98+Tax+S+H on the record label's site (http://www.varesesarabande.com/details.asp?pid=vsd-302-067-025-2), $14.99 on Bestbuy.com (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=0ECB279EDB45717F36EDFCDFA11 DCA9E.bbolsp-app03-40?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-5241663610492294804&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=lost+season+5+soundtrack&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960), and I can't find a listing for it on Amazon.

ETA:And as soon as I search amazon again, it's there($13.99) (http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Season-5-Michael-Giacchino/dp/B003FLRQPI).

Duh-I didn't find it because I was searching MP3 albums. :crazy:


http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/lost-season-5-original-television/id368825912

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/lost-season-5-soundtrack-available-on.html

It's there.

JAK
05-04-2010, 07:13 PM
"I wish you'd believe me."

Same thing Locke said to Jack once.

was locke's suicide note to jack we saw in "life & death of jeremy bentham".

TIP
05-04-2010, 07:13 PM
that's the first time I've ever seen an arab with a bomb run away from white people.*

*too soon?

:lol:!!!

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 07:13 PM
I think Sawyer screwing up the bomb thing was necessary, to even the situation with Jack after the whole Juliet/Incident thing. Now they're even on that front, in a weird way.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 07:14 PM
When was Danielle infected? She said her friends were infected, which they were-- when she dealt with them via gun.

I'm just saying, infection seems like an odd term for just being on the guy's side. And with Sayid, they seemed to go somewhere with the whole "I don't feel anything"/sideways-timeline choices, but then... suddenly that didn't matter.
It was implied a couple of times that Claire was "infected", because she was acting the same way as Danielle was.

Personally, I don't think being infected necessarily means you're going to turn into an emotionless killer.

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 07:16 PM
It was implied a couple of times that Claire was "infected", because she was acting the same way as Danielle was.

Personally, I don't think being infected necessarily means you're going to turn into an emotionless killer.

Hey look, I love the show as much as anyone, but I feel like if they waffled on something over time, it was this.

Also, poor Claire. Why do they keep abandoning her? Jesus.

Jonny Z
05-04-2010, 07:16 PM
I think Sawyer screwing up the bomb thing was necessary, to even the situation with Jack after the whole Juliet/Incident thing. Now they're even on that front, in a weird way.

Yeah, I would assume that this is what gets Sawyer (and I guess Kate too, although she likes to always go off and do her own thing) to probably fully trust Jack as the leader. Hurley's always followed Jack.

Cth
05-04-2010, 07:17 PM
Heh, the Lapidus faithful are about as desperate as the Locke faithful.

At least Locke did something, even if it was screwing everything up.

Why are so many people determined he's essential?

I mean, there's what? 2.5 hours left and they expect Lapidus to show up soaked and pissed no one cared if he was alive or dead -- meanwhile everyone else is fighting MiB.

justjeffery
05-04-2010, 07:19 PM
Heh, the Lapidus faithful are about as desperate as the Locke faithful.

At least Locke did something, even if it was screwing everything up.

Why are so many people determined he's essential?

I mean, there's what? 2.5 hours left and they expect Lapidus to show up soaked and pissed no one cared if he was alive or dead -- meanwhile everyone else is fighting MiB.

4.5! Plenty of time!

Okay, nah.. he's dead.

artimoff
05-04-2010, 07:22 PM
Wow, they brought back the dude from "Emergency" just to silently drool for a few seconds. LOLZ.

OMG! I see it now. I never put 2 & 2 together that they were the same guy.

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 07:25 PM
Heh, the Lapidus faithful are about as desperate as the Locke faithful.

At least Locke did something, even if it was screwing everything up.

Why are so many people determined he's essential?

I mean, there's what? 2.5 hours left and they expect Lapidus to show up soaked and pissed no one cared if he was alive or dead -- meanwhile everyone else is fighting MiB.

Okay, I think you're wrong about Locke, but I am with you on Lapidus. :lol:

Hey, where's Miles now?

Cth
05-04-2010, 07:26 PM
Also, poor Claire. Why do they keep abandoning her? Jesus.

That's her schtick.

Abandoned by her real dad.

Abandoned by the adopted parents.

Abandoned by Charlie.

etc, etc.

..

LOST.

Foolish Mortal
05-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Hey look, I love the show as much as anyone, but I feel like if they waffled on something over time, it was this.

Also, poor Claire. Why do they keep abandoning her? Jesus.
I don't think they waffled. It was Dogan's belief that once someone was infected, they could never be normal or be trusted again.

Dogan could have been simply wrong.

Cth
05-04-2010, 07:27 PM
4.5! Plenty of time!

Okay, nah.. he's dead.

Are you counting next week's episode?

Cth
05-04-2010, 07:28 PM
Hey, where's Miles now?

Probably sitting around a campfire with Rose, Bernard, Vincent and Rousseau singing kombaya.

andrew french
05-04-2010, 07:31 PM
awesome episode!

something from a previous season...

when Desmond was in a monastery, was his job putting corks into bottles?

nick maynard
05-04-2010, 07:32 PM
awesome episode!

something from a previous season...

when Desmond was in a monastery, was his job putting corks into bottles?
i have so little mind left to blow.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 07:33 PM
Probably sitting around a campfire with Rose, Bernard, Vincent and Rousseau singing kombaya.

Isn't Rousseau dead?

When are we going to find out what's up with Miles, Richard, and Ben?
It was what 3 episodes ago that they left to blow up the plane?

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 07:33 PM
Okay, I think you're wrong about Locke, but I am with you on Lapidus. :lol:

Hey, where's Miles now?

He went with Richard to get Dharma explosives. We haven't seen them since they left (although obviously, their plan turned out to be less than necessary).


I don't think they waffled. It was Dogan's belief that once someone was infected, they could never be normal or be trusted again.

Dogan could have been simply wrong.

Exactly. What Dogan said isn't necessarily what's actually true in the show or how the writers themselves think of "infection."

andrew french
05-04-2010, 07:33 PM
i have so little mind left to blow.

haha, my gf pointed this out after checking Desmond Hume's fanpage on facebook; I don't remember the monastery stuff very well, but that amazes me!

Jonny Z
05-04-2010, 07:33 PM
Miles went with Alpert

Cth
05-04-2010, 07:36 PM
awesome episode!

something from a previous season...

when Desmond was in a monastery, was his job putting corks into bottles?

Awesome catch :)

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 07:37 PM
awesome episode!

something from a previous season...

when Desmond was in a monastery, was his job putting corks into bottles?

AND...it was Moriah Vineyards, about which Lostpedia says:

Moriah was a wind of death and pestilence that accompanied war.

* It was the conquering wind in the book of Jeremiah
* "Evil shall go forth from generation to generation, and a great whirl wind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth" The whirlwind was a vehicle for the terror of God. Yaweh was known as the God of the winds. The angel that rode the winds was Metatron.

nick maynard
05-04-2010, 07:37 PM
Okay, I think you're wrong about Locke, but I am with you on Lapidus. :lol:

Hey, where's Miles now?
with richard and ben.

my prediction - he's going to use his power once or twice more to advance the story then die.

andrew french
05-04-2010, 07:39 PM
Awesome catch :)

thanks to Adam Jones and facebook's collating of everything D.H.!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Desmond-Hume/112072445475113?ref=ts

Magnum V.I.
05-04-2010, 07:40 PM
:( I don't think I have been gut punched like that since the Charlie Death Scene.

jamestolliver
05-04-2010, 07:40 PM
awesome episode!

something from a previous season...

when Desmond was in a monastery, was his job putting corks into bottles?

If so, that is awesome.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-04-2010, 07:59 PM
That's her schtick.

Abandoned by her real dad.

Abandoned by the adopted parents.

Abandoned by Charlie.

etc, etc.

..

LOST.

This has inspired my new sig.

http://www.rpi.edu/~pedrok/lost-civilwar-claire.jpg

Magnum V.I.
05-04-2010, 08:01 PM
Sawyer "killed" Lapidus, Sayid, Sun, and Jin by tampering with the timer on the bomb.

If he hadn't, they all would have died, because Jack brought the bomb onto the sub, right?

In other words, they all would have died because MIB didn't put the bomb onto the sub, Jack took it onto the sub, even though he didn't know he was doing it.

So, in a way, Sawyer actually saved himself, Jack, Kate, and Hurley.

Didn't Alpert also light the Dynamite and Jack just sat there and it did nothing?



Hey look, I love the show as much as anyone, but I feel like if they waffled on something over time, it was this.

Also, poor Claire. Why do they keep abandoning her? Jesus.

Maybe Desmond talking to him did something. Sawyer finally just gave in to his inner self. It seems being infected means trusting what the MIB has promised you. He made the same promise to Alpert as he did Sayid. And Alpert never became infected.

nick maynard
05-04-2010, 08:31 PM
Didn't Alpert also light the Dynamite and Jack just sat there and it did nothing?
maybe only a candidate can kill a candidate?

or maybe certain people are only vulnerable to other certain people. like, ben could kill jacob but not smokey.

Jew Mafia
05-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Bernard sure seemed like he knew a lot about what was going on. Also, it was cool to see a reappearance of the Apollo candy bar.

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 08:43 PM
This has inspired my new sig.

http://www.rpi.edu/~pedrok/lost-civilwar-claire.jpg

Top notch. :lol:

The Human Target
05-04-2010, 08:51 PM
Well that was fun.

I will agree I thought it very odd that when Jin and Sun were dying neither mentioned their kid. Probably so that they go out on a "we love each other enough to die for each other" note and not a "we love each other enough to die for each other and abandon our child" one. But it still felt odd.

Smokey must be really smart to plant a bomb in such a fashion as to ensure it being opened in enough time to kill them all via a failed defusing. Its lucky for him Kate got shot.

Locke, Jack, and Ben are the shit.

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 08:52 PM
Sawyer "killed" Lapidus, Sayid, Sun, and Jin by tampering with the timer on the bomb.

If he hadn't, they all would have died, because Jack brought the bomb onto the sub, right?

In other words, they all would have died because MIB didn't put the bomb onto the sub, Jack took it onto the sub, even though he didn't know he was doing it.

So, in a way, Sawyer actually saved himself, Jack, Kate, and Hurley.

I don't think that's the logic they're going with here. The Losties have to directly intervene in order to die. That's what Sawyer did here.

I AM GROOT!
05-04-2010, 08:52 PM
Well that was fun.

I will agree I thought it very odd that when Jin and Sun were dying neither mentioned their kid. Probably so that they go out on a "we love each other enough to die for each other" note and not a "we love each other enough to die for each other and abandon our child" one. But it still felt odd.

Smokey must be really smart to plant a bomb in such a fashion as to ensure it being opened in enough time to kill them all via a failed defusing. Its lucky for him Kate got shot.

Locke, Jack, and Ben are the shit.

Once again, useless Kate avoids death. She's like the road runner of Lost.

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 08:53 PM
Well that was fun.

I will agree I thought it very odd that when Jin and Sun were dying neither mentioned their kid. Probably so that they go out on a "we love each other enough to die for each other" note and not a "we love each other enough to die for each other and abandon our child" one. But it still felt odd.

Smokey must be really smart to plant a bomb in such a fashion as to ensure it being opened in enough time to kill them all via a failed defusing. Its lucky for him Kate got shot.

Locke, Jack, and Ben are the shit.

I have to agree that, in terms of convoluted bad-guy schemes, this one is rivaled only by The Dark Knight.

RoShambo
05-04-2010, 08:55 PM
Who all has he touched in the sideways timeline?

I guess I'll have to rewatch this season's episodes to see.
:lol:

Supreme Convoy
05-04-2010, 08:56 PM
What an absolutely heartbreaking episode.

I don't think I've welled up like this since the first 10 minutes of Star Trek.

dougmac
05-04-2010, 08:58 PM
Bernard sure seemed like he knew a lot about what was going on. Also, it was cool to see a reappearance of the Apollo candy bar.

If he and Rose are the skeletons in the cave as has often been theorized, it gives more credence to my theory that people that are dead in the original timeline have a better knowledge of the alternate universe than those living in both.


Well that was fun.

I will agree I thought it very odd that when Jin and Sun were dying neither mentioned their kid. Probably so that they go out on a "we love each other enough to die for each other" note and not a "we love each other enough to die for each other and abandon our child" one. But it still felt odd.


I kept waiting for Sun to tell Jin to go so that he could be there for the baby. I didn't like the fact that the killed them, but it was touching how they did it.


I don't think that's the logic they're going with here. The Losties have to directly intervene in order to die. That's what Sawyer did here.

I think you are right on this one.

The Human Target
05-04-2010, 09:04 PM
Once again, useless Kate avoids death. She's like the road runner of Lost.

Kate's use is to get Jack to do stuff.

Locke kept her around to get Jack to get on the sub.

And she is also useful in making my pants tight.


I have to agree that, in terms of convoluted bad-guy schemes, this one is rivaled only by The Dark Knight.

:lol:

Yeah, I agree.

At least Locke has the excuse of being a magical smoke monster.

I hope the sideways universe does not end up being the "winner" if one or the other parallel must become the main one. It would undercut the entire show for me.

Scotty
05-04-2010, 09:22 PM
Holy Shit Lost. I didn't expect 4 people to get it in one episode.

Buk Was Right
05-04-2010, 09:27 PM
Once again, useless Kate avoids death. She's like the road runner of Lost.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z37/edq13/kate.jpg

And dang... Bad night to be a not white person on Lost.

HoldFastNow
05-04-2010, 09:28 PM
Geeze! Jin, Sun, Sayid, and Lapidus all dead in one fell swoop. I'm glad Sayid got to go out doing something heroic, after essentially being a villain this season.

Great episode, though.

I can't believe the whole series is almost over now!

Bradford
05-04-2010, 09:32 PM
Lost Untangled is a web show from ABC where they do funny recaps of the episodes. The one for this week is up and Frank is not explicitly listed among the dead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb04XjxPqpg

Very interesting.

Buk Was Right
05-04-2010, 09:34 PM
Lost Untangled is a web show from ABC where they do funny recaps of the episodes. The one for this week is up and Frank is not explicitly listed among the dead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb04XjxPqpg

Very interesting.

Somehow I don't think this is going to turn into as large of an internet fight as whether or not Two Face is actually dead in Dark Knight (he TOTALLY is).

I AM GROOT!
05-04-2010, 09:35 PM
Kate's use is to get Jack to do stuff.

Locke kept her around to get Jack to get on the sub.

And she is also useful in making my pants tight.



Was the last one part of tonight's episode script?


http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z37/edq13/kate.jpg

And dang... Bad night to be a not white person on Lost.

I bet Miles and Richard are each breathing a sigh of relief that they broke off from the main group.


Geeze! Jin, Sun, Sayid, and Lapidus all dead in one fell swoop. I'm glad Sayid got to go out doing something heroic, after essentially being a villain this season.

I can't believe the whole series is almost over now!

Don't underestimate Frank. No body, no death. Just wait, next episode he'll wash up on the beach and, with that Lapidus humor and charm, say to Jack and the gang, "Sorry, gang, I just decided to go for a swim."

:twisted:

Scotty
05-04-2010, 09:37 PM
I :heart: Frank but the pilots dead. So Dead. Like sunk at the bottom of a submarine with two water logged Koreans and pieces of an Iraqi dead.

I AM GROOT!
05-04-2010, 09:40 PM
Lost Untangled is a web show from ABC where they do funny recaps of the episodes. The one for this week is up and Frank is not explicitly listed among the dead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb04XjxPqpg

Very interesting.

:lol: I'd never seen that before. Pretty funny.

johnny whiplash
05-04-2010, 09:54 PM
Well that was fun.

I will agree I thought it very odd that when Jin and Sun were dying neither mentioned their kid. Probably so that they go out on a "we love each other enough to die for each other" note and not a "we love each other enough to die for each other and abandon our child" one. But it still felt odd.

Smokey must be really smart to plant a bomb in such a fashion as to ensure it being opened in enough time to kill them all via a failed defusing. Its lucky for him Kate got shot.

Locke, Jack, and Ben are the shit.

I think this is why they had Jin so pointedly ask at the beginning of the episode, "And she's staying with your mother?" or some such to try to ease the notion of them abandoning their child.

Nick Spencer
05-04-2010, 10:12 PM
I think this is why they had Jin so pointedly ask at the beginning of the episode, "And she's staying with your mother?" or some such to try to ease the notion of them abandoning their child.

Yeah, the minute they said this, I thought one of them was gonna die. Didn't think it would be both, though.

ERNIE_E
05-04-2010, 10:18 PM
Has anyone watched Kimmel tonight? Lindeloff twittered that people should watch it tonight. I don't want anything spoiled, I just want to know if it's worth waiting up for.

Jim.
05-04-2010, 10:22 PM
Has anyone watched Kimmel tonight? Lindeloff twittered that people should watch it tonight. I don't want anything spoiled, I just want to know if it's worth waiting up for.
It's the announcement that the series finale will be 2 and a half hours instead of just 2 hours.

ERNIE_E
05-04-2010, 10:25 PM
It's the announcement that the series finale will be 2 and a half hours instead of just 2 hours.

That's it? Christ, I'm taking it off my DVR then, thanks.:D

With as many unresolved threads on this show, they may need like a 5 hour finale.

Mikhail
05-04-2010, 10:35 PM
That's it? Christ, I'm taking it off my DVR then, thanks.:D

With as many unresolved threads on this show, they may need like a 5 hour finale.

Also, Jorge Garcia is a guest!

oconnellmd
05-05-2010, 03:05 AM
Once again, useless Kate avoids death. She's like the road runner of Lost.

Leading me to once again post this:

http://michaeloconnell.com/katesunderwear.jpg

oconnellmd
05-05-2010, 03:24 AM
Fake Locke is Loki. I'm going to start calling him Floki.

Magnum V.I.
05-05-2010, 03:31 AM
So....Didn't Charlie also have a blinking light behind him when he drowned? Was it red or yellow? I can't remember.

CougarTrace
05-05-2010, 04:24 AM
That's it? Christ, I'm taking it off my DVR then, thanks.:D

With as many unresolved threads on this show, they may need like a 5 hour finale.

speaking of this...

would you prefer all unresolved questions be answered?

I kind of prefer to not answer everything and some mysteries still exist.

Bill Nolan
05-05-2010, 04:45 AM
OMG! I see it now. I never put 2 & 2 together that they were the same guy.

My wife is a huge Emergency! fan, so she never lets one of his appearances pass without mentioning to me that it's him. ;)

Scotty
05-05-2010, 04:49 AM
Wow, they brought back the dude from "Emergency" just to silently drool for a few seconds. LOLZ.

I kinda was pleased that he being punished for what he did in the other universe. I was like all Karma's a bitch.

JackBauer
05-05-2010, 04:57 AM
So if Flocke had just left the C4 on the plane it would not have exploded, because candidates can't die unless they kill each other, right?

majorjoe23
05-05-2010, 05:02 AM
So if Flocke had just left the C4 on the plane it would not have exploded, because candidates can't die unless they kill each other, right?

I think he just can't kill them. The island might protect its choice, both seeing all those crossed off names in the cave and lighthouse, I don't think all of them were killed by other candidates.

Big McLargeHuge
05-05-2010, 05:05 AM
The deaths of Sun, Jin, and Sayid this past episode really brought back what I find most aggravating about the show. The tender way they handled Sun and Jin's death or the unceremonious Sayid death aren't really part of the issue. The issue is that because of the great deal of mystery/uncertainty about sideways world, there is no emotional tether to what happens to these characters. Are they dead-dead, dead-sideways alive, merger alive, merger some alive and some dead? Who the hell knows? So after the episode, all I could feel was aggravation because I have no way to interpret their deaths.

This also falls in line with the season 4 cliffhanger. Nobody believed Locke was dead, so instead of me gasping at a major character's death, I just sat there saying "huh?". And then I find he is dead which is incredibly bizarre and then sideways nonsense hit and I have no way to interpret it. Of course these issues are only issues, because the story is still happening and these will probably be non-issues once the show is over. Nevertheless, it doesn't make it any less aggravating watching it from week to week.

Personal gripe: Lost just killed three of my favorite characters. Now all I can enjoy is Sawyer and Desmond. I'm stuck with super-freakout Jack, box of rocks Kate, man-child Hurley, monotone Ben, panicky Richard, and even Desmond got annoying since he turned into zen Desmond. /personal gripe

Ben
05-05-2010, 05:12 AM
(and here's the most minor quibble ever with a show that had that much happen, but when that orderly is wheeling Locke out of the hospital and Locke said he had a ride and, "Ill take it from here", that would NEVER happen. That's hospital insurance 101, no orderly charged with that wouldn't see him right to his vehicle outside the hospital... eh sorry, it bugged me :) )Maybe in the alternate timeline, they've abolished all lawyers.

Ben
05-05-2010, 05:15 AM
When Kate was shot and her shirt soaked with blood, I made a joke that she's now a red shirt and sure to die, but no one got it.

Ben
05-05-2010, 05:18 AM
The deaths of Sun, Jin, and Sayid this past episode really brought back what I find most aggravating about the show. The tender way they handled Sun and Jin's death or the unceremonious Sayid death aren't really part of the issue. The issue is that because of the great deal of mystery/uncertainty about sideways world, there is no emotional tether to what happens to these characters. Are they dead-dead, dead-sideways alive, merger alive, merger some alive and some dead? Who the hell knows? So after the episode, all I could feel was aggravation because I have no way to interpret their deaths.

This also falls in line with the season 4 cliffhanger. Nobody believed Locke was dead, so instead of me gasping at a major character's death, I just sat there saying "huh?". And then I find he is dead which is incredibly bizarre and then sideways nonsense hit and I have no way to interpret it. Of course these issues are only issues, because the story is still happening and these will probably be non-issues once the show is over. Nevertheless, it doesn't make it any less aggravating watching it from week to week.
I feel the same way. I thought the death of Jin and Sun was kind of cold. I felt nothing for them (plus I kept thinking about their kid being unnecessarily fatherless...). Because there's still the possibility that the sideways timeline will "win out," I'm not convinced they're gone for good.

Compare this to other final seasons where major characters are killed off (I won't spoil), and it just wasn't emotional at all for me. They're like chess pieces.

I still enjoyed the hell out of it, though. I did like Sayid's death, even though it didn't make any sense either. Why didn't he just throw it? Though, I guess he could've been planning on throwing it if he made it far enough, but didn't.

majorjoe23
05-05-2010, 05:24 AM
I feel the same way. I thought the death of Jin and Sun was kind of cold. I felt nothing for them (plus I kept thinking about their kid being unnecessarily fatherless...). Because there's still the possibility that the sideways timeline will "win out," I'm not convinced they're gone for good.

Compare this to other final seasons where major characters are killed off (I won't spoil), and it just wasn't emotional at all for me. They're like chess pieces.

I still enjoyed the hell out of it, though. I did like Sayid's death, even though it didn't make any sense either. Why didn't he just throw it? Though, I guess he could've been planning on throwing it if he made it far enough, but didn't.

Where would he throw it? No matter where it went it would take out part of the hull. My guess is he ran with it to get it away from them and to cover part of the explosion with his body. Like throwing yourself on a grenade to protect fellow soldiers.

Fake Pat
05-05-2010, 05:27 AM
I still enjoyed the hell out of it, though. I did like Sayid's death, even though it didn't make any sense either. Why didn't he just throw it? Though, I guess he could've been planning on throwing it if he made it far enough, but didn't.

The thing I don't get anymore is the point of Sayid's whole arc this season. What was the point of any of it if he essentially was just gonna revert back to "normal" Sayid for no real reason?

I swear this show would be a hundred times better if you only watched the first and last few episodes of each season.

Big McLargeHuge
05-05-2010, 05:34 AM
The thing I don't get anymore is the point of Sayid's whole arc this season. What was the point of any of it if he essentially was just gonna revert back to "normal" Sayid for no real reason?

I swear this show would be a hundred times better if you only watched the first and last few episodes of each season.

I hadn't thought about it until now, but I guess the mystery surrounding Sayid's "resurrection" is just going to stay a mystery. It is an odd arc. Also, I guess this is the first time time that main characters were killed off in an episode that didn't revolve around them.

Ben
05-05-2010, 05:34 AM
Where would he throw it? No matter where it went it would take out part of the hull. My guess is he ran with it to get it away from them and to cover part of the explosion with his body. Like throwing yourself on a grenade to protect fellow soldiers.But he wouldn't get turned to splatter if he'd thrown it. Not really a criticism, though, since the characters aren't perfect, they had about 2 seconds to figure out what to do, and he could've very possibly just run out of time before doing whatever he really wanted to do.

Fake Pat
05-05-2010, 05:36 AM
But he wouldn't get turned to splatter if he'd thrown it. Not really a criticism, though, since the characters aren't perfect, they had about 2 seconds to figure out what to do, and he could've very possibly just run out of time before doing whatever he really wanted to do.

I kind of assumed he was gonna shut the door behind him and just didn't make it.

Deej
05-05-2010, 05:50 AM
Hey look, I love the show as much as anyone, but I feel like if they waffled on something over time, it was this.

Also, poor Claire. Why do they keep abandoning her? Jesus.

Cause she abandoned Aaron. From the start she was willing to give him up. Karmic payback!

jamestolliver
05-05-2010, 05:53 AM
I kind of assumed he was gonna shut the door behind him and just didn't make it.

Yeah, that's what I thought too.

majorjoe23
05-05-2010, 05:56 AM
The thing I don't get anymore is the point of Sayid's whole arc this season. What was the point of any of it if he essentially was just gonna revert back to "normal" Sayid for no real reason?

I swear this show would be a hundred times better if you only watched the first and last few episodes of each season.

I wouldn't say there was no reason. There was the conversation with Desmond, and the fact that the man who had promised he would reunite him with his wife instead put him on a sub full of C4.

Sayid realized he had been backing the wrong horse and tried to do some good.

Fake Pat
05-05-2010, 06:02 AM
I wouldn't say there was no reason. There was the conversation with Desmond, and the fact that the man who had promised he would reunite him with his wife instead put him on a sub full of C4.

Sayid realized he had been backing the wrong horse and tried to do some good.

There was way more to it than that though. The "resurrection" changed his personality (for at least a few episodes), and it was stated flat-out that he came back "evil". That's what I'm talking about.

And even if you look at just the elements you mention, why'd he change his mind all of a sudden? It's certainly not impossible, but it doesn't make any sense in light of what he'd already done for Flocke.

The fake-out with him not capping Desmond was so obvious, yet entirely unexplained.

hamgravy
05-05-2010, 06:03 AM
We distinctly see Lapidus kick a door when he's in the cage and then he's killed by a door.

Coincidence? I think not.

Fake Pat
05-05-2010, 06:04 AM
We distinctly see Lapidus kick a door when he's in the cage and then he's killed by a door.

Coincidence? I think not.

MIB is the hatch getting revenge on Locke for blowing him up.

It's allll about doors, man. MINDBLOWN.

hamgravy
05-05-2010, 06:05 AM
There was way more to it than that though. The "resurrection" changed his personality (for at least a few episodes), and it was stated flat-out that he came back "evil". That's what I'm talking about.

And even if you look at just the elements you mention, why'd he change his mind all of a sudden? It's certainly not impossible, but it doesn't make any sense in light of what he'd already done for Flocke.

The fake-out with him not capping Desmond was so obvious, yet entirely unexplained.

It seems like we make get a better sense of Sayid's mental state as we learn more about Smokey and potentially when we revisit Des.

My take is that there was still part of his soul or mind in there that was always fighting off the "infection" that resurrected him.

Dark Sasha
05-05-2010, 06:07 AM
and keep in mind, Nightman is racist.

hamgravy
05-05-2010, 06:07 AM
MIB is the hatch getting revenge on Locke for blowing him up.

It's allll about doors, man. MINDBLOWN.

The whole island is a door plagued with daddy issues and doomed love.

I :heart: Door

And, the saddest sound I've ever heard is the sound of Hurley crying.

For me, Lapidus will forever be eulogized by Sawyer's "Burt Reynolds Movie" comment.

MIKE D
05-05-2010, 06:10 AM
Sayid turned back when he talked to Desmond, not on the sub. I don't think Smokey's accolytes are evil by nature. I think he can make them feel that they are, that there is no choice in it, but that's really not true, just another of his lies. If someone can break through and reconnect emotionally with the "infected", they can break the spell. For Sayid, it was Desmond. For Claire, it was Kate.

Crimsonpug
05-05-2010, 06:11 AM
I :heart: Frank but the pilots dead. So Dead. Like sunk at the bottom of a submarine with two water logged Koreans and pieces of an Iraqi dead.
Nope. You can't kill the Lawnmower Man....

Rafiennes
05-05-2010, 06:11 AM
I do think a little more time could have been played on Sayid and what was going through his mind these last few episodes. I have a feeling we'll possibly see that in a flashback -- it seems like too big of a thing to just let go by the wayside.

jamestolliver
05-05-2010, 06:12 AM
There was way more to it than that though. The "resurrection" changed his personality (for at least a few episodes), and it was stated flat-out that he came back "evil". That's what I'm talking about.

And even if you look at just the elements you mention, why'd he change his mind all of a sudden? It's certainly not impossible, but it doesn't make any sense in light of what he'd already done for Flocke.

The fake-out with him not capping Desmond was so obvious, yet entirely unexplained.

I thought this was interesting:


And Sayid? Lindelof explains: “Sayid’s entire season-long arc has basically been, if you tell him that he is evil, you can convince him he is evil. But if you tell him he is good, maybe you can convince him he is good. We basically decided that in a moment of pure instinct, if he did something, if he sacrificed his own life in favor of saving the other people’s lives, that would convey to the audience, ‘This guy was actually a good guy.’”

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/04/lost-producers-actors-candidate/

philipthethird
05-05-2010, 06:14 AM
And Michael Giacchino is the silent MVP of the show. Just sayin'

My thoughts exactly. The score is just brilliant. Giacchino is easily my favorite composer right now.

hamgravy
05-05-2010, 06:15 AM
I thought this was interesting:



http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/04/lost-producers-actors-candidate/

Great description.

But, I'm not totally on board with the final act characterizing the man and wish he had the presence of mind to seal off a hatch.

hamgravy
05-05-2010, 06:16 AM
My thoughts exactly. The score is just brilliant. Giacchino is easily my favorite composer right now.

I've laughed at the score during the previous two episodes but found it totally effective last night.

Fake Pat
05-05-2010, 06:16 AM
The whole island is a door plagued with daddy issues and doomed love.

I :heart: Door

And, the saddest sound I've ever heard is the sound of Hurley crying.

For me, Lapidus will forever be eulogized by Sawyer's "Burt Reynolds Movie" comment.

:surrend:

Roman Noodles
05-05-2010, 06:26 AM
Yep, I'm officially on the "get to the fucking point" side of the flash sideways argument now.


I was sort of on the fence for most of the season, but yesterday's episode is a perfect example of where all they really accomplished was eating time away from the main plot and the internal struggles of characters NOT named Jack.

jamestolliver
05-05-2010, 06:28 AM
I actually started off not really liking the flash sideways stuff but now I really love it.

Fake Pat
05-05-2010, 06:30 AM
I thought this was interesting:



http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/04/lost-producers-actors-candidate/

Hasn't that been Sayid's arc through the entire show? His guilt over the stuff he's done was the core of the character. It drove not only everything on and off the island, but in the sideways-world too. I just don't see why any of the stuff with him and temple was necessary at all.

And why would Karate-Man and Island Lennon tell him (and i believe everyone else) he was "evil" if the process didn't actually do something to him?

I feel like I should say again that I did really like that episode. It put my interest in the show back up beyond "Well, I can't quit now" for the first time in months. I just think the whole Sayid thing has shown itself to be nothing beyond mid-season filler.

Roman Noodles
05-05-2010, 06:31 AM
Lap
He can't kill them -- as Jack said, he wants them to turn on one another.. this effectively had candidates killing the others via loophole.

Exactly, his plan was achingly brilliant, he was 5 steps ahead of them all from second 1.


I knew they'd kill some people, but I had no idea they'd go straight for the jugular of the main cast.


I mean, there's only like 5 characters from the original cast still alive. :lol:

Dreaded Anomaly
05-05-2010, 06:33 AM
The deaths of Sun, Jin, and Sayid this past episode really brought back what I find most aggravating about the show. The tender way they handled Sun and Jin's death or the unceremonious Sayid death aren't really part of the issue. The issue is that because of the great deal of mystery/uncertainty about sideways world, there is no emotional tether to what happens to these characters. Are they dead-dead, dead-sideways alive, merger alive, merger some alive and some dead? Who the hell knows? So after the episode, all I could feel was aggravation because I have no way to interpret their deaths.

This also falls in line with the season 4 cliffhanger. Nobody believed Locke was dead, so instead of me gasping at a major character's death, I just sat there saying "huh?". And then I find he is dead which is incredibly bizarre and then sideways nonsense hit and I have no way to interpret it. Of course these issues are only issues, because the story is still happening and these will probably be non-issues once the show is over. Nevertheless, it doesn't make it any less aggravating watching it from week to week.

Personal gripe: Lost just killed three of my favorite characters. Now all I can enjoy is Sawyer and Desmond. I'm stuck with super-freakout Jack, box of rocks Kate, man-child Hurley, monotone Ben, panicky Richard, and even Desmond got annoying since he turned into zen Desmond. /personal gripe

Wholly disagree. Jin and Sun's deaths were extremely poignant, whether or not they live on in the Sideways universe. Sayid redeemed himself by saving his friends. Locke's death was confusing, but when MiB told us his last thought was "I don't understand," it became a very sympathetic event.

If you don't have any connection to the characters, then that's fine, but don't blame the show for that.

Fake Pat
05-05-2010, 06:33 AM
I actually started off not really liking the flash sideways stuff but now I really love it.

I still generally don't give a shit about it at all compared to the main timeline (or whatever), but they can keep doing it as much as they want as long as the scenes are as well done as the ones last night were.

Terry O'Quinn needs an Emmy, Katey Sagal deserves more work, and Matthew Fox finally made me think he was actually acting. :)

Rafiennes
05-05-2010, 06:37 AM
I still generally don't give a shit about it at all compared to the main timeline (or whatever), but they can keep doing it as much as they want as long as the scenes are as well done as the ones last night were.

Terry O'Quinn needs an Emmy, Katey Sagal deserves more work, and Matthew Fox finally made me think he was actually acting. :)

There were a couple of moments where I was just so impressed with his work, some very subtle acting choices -- and I was so happy at the end of the episode to see some of that anger finally, FINALLY come through in Jack.

I'm hoping our survivors are now pissed off enough that they want Flocke to get his come uppance.

hamgravy
05-05-2010, 06:38 AM
I still generally don't give a shit about it at all compared to the main timeline (or whatever), but they can keep doing it as much as they want as long as the scenes are as well done as the ones last night were.

Terry O'Quinn needs an Emmy, Katey Sagal deserves more work, and Matthew Fox finally made me think he was actually acting. :)

Fox also makes the character seem ten years younger and calmer in the Sideways-verse.

Dark Sasha
05-05-2010, 06:39 AM
Jack just needs to be a master of karate and he's set!

TheTravis!
05-05-2010, 06:39 AM
I had an elaborate theory going regarding the deaths on the show and how they tied to the elements of water, fire, air, and earth.

Died by fire - Michael, Sayid
By water - Charlie, Jin, Sun
By earth - Nikki and Paolo
By air - Boone, sort of. Mr. Eco, sort of? Didn't Locke end up hanging from the ceiling fan?

Then I remembered how many of the cast were simply shot.

I suck at theories.

Deej
05-05-2010, 06:45 AM
Sayid turned back when he talked to Desmond, not on the sub. I don't think Smokey's accolytes are evil by nature. I think he can make them feel that they are, that there is no choice in it, but that's really not true, just another of his lies. If someone can break through and reconnect emotionally with the "infected", they can break the spell. For Sayid, it was Desmond. For Claire, it was Kate.

Sayid is Darth Vader. We knew he was going to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Does this make Desmond Luke Skywalker?

Big McLargeHuge
05-05-2010, 06:47 AM
Wholly disagree. Jin and Sun's deaths were extremely poignant, whether or not they live on in the Sideways universe. Sayid redeemed himself by saving his friends. Locke's death was confusing, but when MiB told us his last thought was "I don't understand," it became a very sympathetic event.

If you don't have any connection to the characters, then that's fine, but don't blame the show for that.

I think you might have misinterpreted me. I have a very strong connection with those four characters, which is part of the reason why I'm so aggravated with how Lost has decided to "end" their arcs. Jin and Sun's death was very poignant, but since I don't know what the hell is going on in the sideways world I don't know how to interpret their deaths. There's a distinct lack of finality when I don't know what the hell is going on, unlike say, Charlie, where it appeared final and ended up having a stronger impression on me. Sayid's made sense in terms of redemption, but it all happened so quickly that I couldn't process it like I could with Sun and Jin. At least for me, Lockes death wasn't so much sympathetic as it was soul-crushingly depressing.

Jonny Z
05-05-2010, 06:47 AM
i had an elaborate theory going regarding the deaths on the show and how they tied to the elements of water, fire, air, and earth.

Died by fire - michael, sayid
by water - charlie, jin, sun
by earth - nikki and paolo
by air - boone, sort of. Mr. Eco, sort of? Didn't locke end up hanging from the ceiling fan?

Then i remembered how many of the cast were simply shot.

I suck at theories.

go planet!

Foolish Mortal
05-05-2010, 06:55 AM
There was way more to it than that though. The "resurrection" changed his personality (for at least a few episodes), and it was stated flat-out that he came back "evil". That's what I'm talking about.
Dogan said that. It doesn't necessarily mean he was right.


And even if you look at just the elements you mention, why'd he change his mind all of a sudden? It's certainly not impossible, but it doesn't make any sense in light of what he'd already done for Flocke.

The fake-out with him not capping Desmond was so obvious, yet entirely unexplained.
Talking to Desmond clearly did something to change Sayid. His behavior changed after that.

Dreaded Anomaly
05-05-2010, 06:56 AM
I had an elaborate theory going regarding the deaths on the show and how they tied to the elements of water, fire, air, and earth.

Died by fire - Michael, Sayid
By water - Charlie, Jin, Sun
By earth - Nikki and Paolo
By air - Boone, sort of. Mr. Eco, sort of? Didn't Locke end up hanging from the ceiling fan?

Then I remembered how many of the cast were simply shot.

I suck at theories.

The fifth element: bullets.


I think you might have misinterpreted me. I have a very strong connection with those four characters, which is part of the reason why I'm so aggravated with how Lost has decided to "end" their arcs. Jin and Sun's death was very poignant, but since I don't know what the hell is going on in the sideways world I don't know how to interpret their deaths. There's a distinct lack of finality when I don't know what the hell is going on, unlike say, Charlie, where it appeared final and ended up having a stronger impression on me. Sayid's made sense in terms of redemption, but it all happened so quickly that I couldn't process it like I could with Sun and Jin. At least for me, Lockes death wasn't so much sympathetic as it was soul-crushingly depressing.

I guess I don't understand the mentality of "interpreting" their deaths based on some sense of finality or a lack thereof. Whether or not their alternate selves will end up gaining their memories through which they will "live on," the characters still died in their own universe, and it had clear emotional effects on those who survived.

Dan
05-05-2010, 06:57 AM
I think you might have misinterpreted me. I have a very strong connection with those four characters, which is part of the reason why I'm so aggravated with how Lost has decided to "end" their arcs. Jin and Sun's death was very poignant, but since I don't know what the hell is going on in the sideways world I don't know how to interpret their deaths. There's a distinct lack of finality when I don't know what the hell is going on, unlike say, Charlie, where it appeared final and ended up having a stronger impression on me. Sayid's made sense in terms of redemption, but it all happened so quickly that I couldn't process it like I could with Sun and Jin. At least for me, Lockes death wasn't so much sympathetic as it was soul-crushingly depressing.

I have the same problem. And at least part of it is the "revolving door of death" that we as comics fans are used to. Until the show ends and the characters aren't somehow "restored to life via sidewaysverse" or some other thing, there's no real "they're really gone" feeling.

Except for Lapidus, because I don't think we've ever seen his sideways equivalent.

artimoff
05-05-2010, 06:57 AM
Sayid is Darth Vader. We knew he was going to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Does this make Desmond Luke Skywalker?


Jack/Luke
James/Han
Kate/Leia
Hugo/Chewie

Ben/Darth Vader
Richard/Lando

Smokie/Emperor

Magnum V.I.
05-05-2010, 07:03 AM
Somehow I don't think this is going to turn into as large of an internet fight as whether or not Two Face is actually dead in Dark Knight (he TOTALLY is).


Or eyepatch man.


I was firmly in the Eye Patch alive camp until the subsequent seasons never showed him again.


I accept the fact that Lapidus is dead. He wasn't on the shore and when they weren't going to use the plane I figured he was no longer relevant.





I'm pretty sure the series ends with Jack and Locke being the new Balance on the island.



And I'm pretty sure once all the candidates are killed, THEN Smokey can truly leave the island.

Big McLargeHuge
05-05-2010, 07:09 AM
I guess I don't understand the mentality of "interpreting" their deaths based on some sense of finality or a lack thereof. Whether or not their alternate selves will end up gaining their memories through which they will "live on," the characters still died in their own universe, and it had clear emotional effects on those who survived.

I guess I look at it this way. Without the sideways world, Charlie died in a sacrifice to help warn the group(although looking back, wouldn't the group have realized the danger even if Charlie hadn't drowned in the hatch), Locke would have died alone and thinking he failed, and Sayid would have also sacrificed himself for the sake of others. With the sideways world and a possible merger to happily ever after ending, all these deaths just feel like a chain of events leading to their "resurrection" or whatever. This does not have the same emotional oomph, because their deaths only have a very temporary meaning. Of course this theory could be absolute jibberish, but the fact that I don't know and nobody else knows is what makes it so aggravating. That's what I mean when there's no emotional tether, there's no sense of what their deaths mean because of the uncertainty.

Obviously it still works for you, so I don't begrudge that. I would have loved(and should have felt) a strong emotional reaction to their deaths, but all I could think of was the sideways caveat.

hamgravy
05-05-2010, 07:10 AM
Or eyepatch man.


I was firmly in the Eye Patch alive camp until the subsequent seasons never showed him again.


And I'm pretty sure once all the candidates are killed, THEN Smokey can truly leave the island.

I read it as either/or. Smokey can leave the island either WITH all of the candidates or if they are all dead.

He defused the plane because there might still be a risk to him if he traveled with them in a booby-trapped plane.

He intended to get on the sub but handing Jack the c4 pack was a back-up plan.

And, I'm still holding out for Eyepatch to show up again in the last frame of the series with a "Hellooo Everybody?"