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Jason California
05-03-2010, 07:18 AM
An antitrust app (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO)

Apple may be in the eye of regulatory storm (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO)



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'After years of being the little guy who used Washington to fend off Goliaths like Microsoft, Apple CEO Steve Jobs (http://www.nypost.com/t/Steve_Jobs)is about to learn what life is like when the shoe's on the other foot.
According to a person familiar with the matter, the Department of Justice and Federal Trade Commission are locked in negotiations over which of the watchdogs will begin an antitrust inquiry into Apple's new policy of requiring software developers who devise applications for devices such as the iPhone (http://www.nypost.com/t/iPhone)and iPad (http://www.nypost.com/t/iPad)to use only Apple's programming tools.
Regulators, this person said, are days away from making a decision about which agency will launch the inquiry. It will focus on whether the policy, which took effect last month, kills competition by forcing programmers to choose between developing apps that can run only on Apple gizmos or come up with apps that are platform neutral, and can be used on a variety of operating systems, such as those from rivals Google, Microsoft and Research In Motion.
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Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs.




An inquiry doesn't necessarily mean action will be taken against Apple, which argues the rule is in place to ensure the quality of the apps it sells to customers. Typically, regulators initiate inquiries to determine whether a full-fledged investigation ought to be launched. If the inquiry escalates to an investigation, the agency handling the matter would issue Apple a subpoena seeking information about the policy.
Officials at both the Justice Department and FTC declined comment. Apple did not return calls seeking comment.
The threat of Apple being the subject of an investigation would be a remarkable turnabout for a company that has long seen itself as being outside the establishment, and one that has egged on antitrust officials to blunt the momentum of larger rivals.
However, thanks to the popularity of the iPod (http://www.nypost.com/t/iPod)and iPhone, Apple is having a tough time continuing to play the role of David fighting against Goliath. Indeed, its market cap of $237.6 billion exceeds that of the world's largest retailer, Wal-Mart, whose market cap is $201.7 billion.
Apple put its might on full display last week when Jobs wrote a scathing explanation for why Adobe's Flash programming language was unfit to be used on Apple products. The day his missive was released, Adobe shares fell 2 percent.
In forcing computer programmers to choose developing an Apple-exclusive app over one that can be used on Apple and rival devices simultaneously, critics say Apple is hampering competition since the expense involved in creating an app will lead developers with limited budgets to focus on one format, not two. Generally, app developers are paid from a cut of the revenue generated when consumers buy the app.
Shaun Meredith, a former Apple employee who runs software development company InfoBridge, said that as a result of Apple's rule change, some of his customers are choosing to finance apps that are compatible with all of Apple's competitors instead of those that work only with the iPhone or iPad.
Indeed, though Apple has the most applications, it is a distant second in terms of operating system market share. According to comScore, RIM, which makes the BlackBerry, has a 42 percent share, while Apple's take is 25 percent. Microsoft has 15 percent and Google's Android software has 9 percent

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Talannon
05-03-2010, 07:38 AM
Finally! Someone need to stop Apple. They are a hundred times worst then Microsoft ever was. It doesn't mean that they will change anything but it's a start...

GelfXIII
05-03-2010, 07:58 AM
*yawn*

again?

OzMan
05-03-2010, 08:02 AM
This will just keep the playing fields level, keeping it that way always keeps it in the best interests of the consumer.

But I know that if Apple really allowed Flash, it would kill their Apps market.

in the end, all about $

Marcdachamp
05-03-2010, 08:04 AM
How is this any different from the way that video game companies can only run certain types of software?

Ryan F
05-03-2010, 08:19 AM
Agreed that Apple is just as bad as Microsoft ever was.


How is this any different from the way that video game companies can only run certain types of software?

I think Apple's market share would be the concern.

Marcdachamp
05-03-2010, 08:22 AM
Agreed that Apple is just as bad as Microsoft ever was.



I think Apple's market share would be the concern.

No, I mean, how is this different from, say, Nintendo requiring a third party to utilize the Wii remote?

JamesV
05-03-2010, 08:29 AM
No, I mean, how is this different from, say, Nintendo requiring a third party to utilize the Wii remote?

I'm trying to figure that out.

If you wanna make a wii game you have to use their tools.
If you wanna make a ps3 game, you have to use their tools.
If you wanna make a 360 game, you have to use their tools.

One of Valve's arguments for why they don't develop Portal and the like for the Ps3 is they have to rewrite their engine code from being optimized and designed for the 360/Windows PC to PS3. And I don't blame that. That is a daunting task.

I don't see the difference between that and Apple's new process.

Ryan F
05-03-2010, 08:36 AM
I'm trying to figure that out.

If you wanna make a wii game you have to use their tools.
If you wanna make a ps3 game, you have to use their tools.
If you wanna make a 360 game, you have to use their tools.

One of Valve's arguments for why they don't develop Portal and the like for the Ps3 is they have to rewrite their engine code from being optimized and designed for the 360/Windows PC to PS3. And I don't blame that. That is a daunting task.

I don't see the difference between that and Apple's new process.

That's what I mean by market share. You want to design a video game, you've got to choose your platform, but you have a choice. Apple can bully designers with its market share and create this feedback loop - your app isn't going to succeed if it doesn't work on the iphone, nobody wants to buy iphone competitors because all the good apps are on the iphone. Competition killed. It's exactly the kind of thing that Microsoft got in trouble for.

JHickman
05-03-2010, 08:38 AM
I'm trying to figure that out.

If you wanna make a wii game you have to use their tools.
If you wanna make a ps3 game, you have to use their tools.
If you wanna make a 360 game, you have to use their tools.

One of Valve's arguments for why they don't develop Portal and the like for the Ps3 is they have to rewrite their engine code from being optimized and designed for the 360/Windows PC to PS3. And I don't blame that. That is a daunting task.

I don't see the difference between that and Apple's new process.

You just named three competitive game companies.

Apple is getting ready to own digital video and books (and they are getting ready to dominate mobile games) AND they already own digital music.

It would be different if they were being accommodating to developers, but they are not.

I love apple, but they need a slap.

JamesV
05-03-2010, 08:52 AM
I'm not saying Apple shouldn't get slapped or that their developer policies don't need to be redesigned. It's not a defense of Apple so much as I don't see how this same investigation doesn't apply to the game companies as well. Yes there is competition within them but there is still competition in the smart phone market (as reported earlier this year Apple hovers at 25% or second in over all share.)

I see it more as a this is an industry wide issue and has been for sometime and not well everyone else does it so Apple should get a free pass.

I can understand the specific reasons why they are going after Apple at this time compared to the others.

Ray G.
05-03-2010, 08:56 AM
Well, clearly they've made enough money.

Challenger
05-03-2010, 08:58 AM
I have a vague memory of Microsoft getting into similar trouble over the first X-box, but they got away from it because it was a console and not strictly a computer

NickT
05-03-2010, 09:15 AM
Seems good. It seems odd to me that so many seem to only make apps for iPhones and not make it cross-platform when they are missing out on a lot of business, the fact that it could almost double the cost could be a big thing there.

Cth
05-03-2010, 09:26 AM
I think it's mainly due to the reasonings behind the development tools.

For Apple, it seems clear they want to increase their marketshare by requiring you to use Apple tools to develop for it.

Whereas, console devkits aren't utilized for the purpose of increasing marketshare.

There should be PC development tools, at which point the marketplace would be flooded even worse than it is now.

Dood Lee
05-03-2010, 09:29 AM
I'm trying to figure that out.

If you wanna make a wii game you have to use their tools.
If you wanna make a ps3 game, you have to use their tools.
If you wanna make a 360 game, you have to use their tools.

One of Valve's arguments for why they don't develop Portal and the like for the Ps3 is they have to rewrite their engine code from being optimized and designed for the 360/Windows PC to PS3. And I don't blame that. That is a daunting task.

I don't see the difference between that and Apple's new process.

The wii, ps3, and 360 allow of the use of "middle-ware", namely, 3rd party game engines that make it easier for developers to create games. It also makes it easier for devs to port games from one system to another (hence the increase in multi-platform games). Apple's new policy prohibits the use of "middle-ware", thus tying all devs to the platform.

WillieLee
05-03-2010, 09:53 AM
It will be amusing to see Apple fans reverse their stance on the arguments they used against Microsoft.

Jason California
05-03-2010, 10:02 AM
It will be amusing to see Apple fans reverse their stance on the arguments they used against Microsoft.

This is my favorite of your avatars.

Jason California
05-04-2010, 11:10 AM
The probe is going to include iad now as well.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703612804575222553091495816.html


By THOMAS CATAN (http://online.wsj.com/search/term.html?KEYWORDS=THOMAS+CATAN&bylinesearch=true) And YUKARI IWATANI KANE (http://online.wsj.com/search/term.html?KEYWORDS=YUKARI+IWATANI+KANE&bylinesearch=true)

WASHINGTON—U.S. antitrust enforcers are taking a keen interest in recent changes that Apple (http://online.wsj.com/public/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=aapl) Inc. made to its licensing agreement with iPhone application developers and are likely to open a preliminary investigation into whether the company's actions stifle competition in mobile devices, according to people familiar with the situation.


The Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department, which are jointly tasked with enforcing federal antitrust laws, are holding discussions over which agency would hold the inquiry, these people said. Apple, the FTC and Justice Department all declined to comment.



The process is at a preliminary stage and any resulting investigation wouldn't necessarily lead to action. It's also unclear what grounds an investigation would cover. News of the regulators' talks were earlier reported by the New York Post.
The growing interest in Apple's activities by antitrust authorities shows the extent to which the Cupertino, Calif., company has become a powerful player in mobile devices like smartphones, which many people see as the next dominant computing platform after personal computers.
People familiar with the matter said the latest interest from regulators was triggered by complaints from Apple competitors and application developers over the terms of company's agreement with iPhone and iPad app developers.



The process is at a preliminary stage and any resulting investigation wouldn't necessarily lead to action. It's also unclear what grounds an investigation would cover. News of the regulators' talks were earlier reported by the New York Post.
The growing interest in Apple's activities by antitrust authorities shows the extent to which the Cupertino, Calif., company has become a powerful player in mobile devices like smartphones, which many people see as the next dominant computing platform after personal computers.
People familiar with the matter said the latest interest from regulators was triggered by complaints from Apple competitors and application developers over the terms of company's agreement with iPhone and iPad app developers.

Jason California
05-05-2010, 09:08 AM
Robert Reich says to leave Apple alone



What's wrong with that? Apple says it's necessary to maintain quality. If consumers disagree they can buy platforms elsewhere. Apple was the world's #3 (http://gizmodo.com/tag/3/) smartphone supplier in 2009, with 16.2 percent of worldwide market share. RIM was #2 (http://gizmodo.com/tag/2/), with 18.8 percent. Google isn't exactly a wallflower. These and other firms are innovating like mad, as are tens of thousands of independent developers. If Apple's decision reduces the number of future apps that can run on its products, Apple will suffer and presumably change its mind.
On the other hand, the four largest U.S. financial institutions are so big and the rest of the economy so dependent on them that if one of them makes a bad decision it can take us all down. Between them they hold more than $7 trillion in assets, over half the size of the entire U.S. economy.


Here is the whole thing
http://robertreich.org/post/572112065/apple-isnt-the-problem-wall-streets-big-banks-are

MabusRex
05-05-2010, 09:24 AM
Robert Reich says to leave Apple alone




Here is the whole thing
http://robertreich.org/post/572112065/apple-isnt-the-problem-wall-streets-big-banks-are


But shouldn't quality be decided by the consumer? The good will get more hits than a lesser one, ideally. Not always, mind you. But still.

As a future owner of an iPhone competitor's phone, I'm ok with this inquiry :)