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Jason California
03-08-2010, 07:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-RZAwQq0E&feature=player_embedded

http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/08/notice-the-lack-of-windows-in-hps-slate-device/

I have to say that I am more excited for this device than I originally was.
We have written repeatedly (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/01/26/hp-shows-off-its-slate-computer-while-revealing-a-key-disappointing-detail-windows/)that Windows itself is one of the main reasons why touchscreen computers have never caught the general public’s attention. The interface just wasn’t designed for finger input (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/01/19/why-in-the-name-of-all-that-is-wonderful-would-you-want-a-slate-with-a-5-screen/). Like it or not, that’s the truth. Windows was designed to be used with a mouse, and to a lesser extent, a pen or stylus. That’s fine. Windows 7 (http://www.crunchgear.com/tag/windows-7/) works great. I’m writing this on a Win7 machine. But I hate Windows on my tablet computers for the aforementioned reason. It’s also the reason I’m very apprehensive of the upcoming onslaught of slate computers. I’m afraid that wonderful hardware will be passed up in favor of the disappointing iPad (http://www.crunchgear.com/tag/ipad/)because of the interface. But Adobe gave me hope today in its demo of Flash and Air on the HP slate device.
The first minute or so of the demo is Adobe’s Flash Product Marketing manager talking about this and that. The real fun comes at the 1:30 mark. That’s when we get a glimpse of what appears to be an HP app manager that has clearly been designed for a touch interface. The buttons are large, uses stars to mark favorites programs or Internet shortcuts, and seems responsive enough. It’s probably safe to say that it’s an Adobe product seeing as it makes an appearance in this demo.
http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/win1.jpg
Even the browser seems to have been made over for the touch interface, which seems to be a custom build of Firefox. Of course it has all the multi-touch goodies like pinch zooming and two-finger scrolling, but it also feels different, too. That’s just as important as using standard Firefox or Chrome on a touchscreen is a drag without a bunch of plug-ins. And of course, Flash is fully functional, which is a clear shot across Apple’s bow. (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/18/jobs-flash-will-murder-the-ipad-really-now-lets-be-realistic/)
You notice a few times throughout the demo that there are a couple of different user notifications to compensate for web’s smaller buttons and higher-resolution interface. There appears to be a small water ripple effect at 1:42 when the user hits the play button for the online video and then a dramatically larger one at the end of the Photoshop.com demo at 3:45 when he presses and holds. These effects are not shown during the HP Home demo or NYT Air app lending to the thought that they’re a browser-only effect, designed to assist browsing.
http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/win2.jpg
Now Adobe wouldn’t show off Windows in its demo. This was strictly an Adobe demo, but that’s fine. It answered a lot of questions about HP’s upcoming slate device. First, a full version of Windows is very much present, which is awesome. None of us wants a watered-down OS — except for iPad buyers, of course. But the demo also shows that there will be a versatile, touch-friendly interface for most tasks and multi-touch capabilities to exploit all the potential uses.
Hopefully HP, Dell and all the other mainstream tablet makers are on the same page with Adobe. They have the ability to stand up to the monstrosity that is the Apple App Store if they agree to slate standards, which will allow app developers to code one version of the their program and not worry about various screen resolutions and hardware variations.
Devin adds: This is an improvement on the smaller tablet we saw at CES. It’s about iPad-sized, which is to say a little smaller than a sheet of paper. I’m guessing an 8″ screen is what they’re working with there, though who knows what the final hardware will be. I still think that shrinking Windows is a bad start for a tablet device, as much so as puffing up the iPhone in the case of the iPad. The only device that may actually hit with a truly tablet-only OS seems to be the Courier (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/05/the-courier-rides-again-new-shots-of-microsofts-digital-journal/), and that’s why I’m genuinely excited about it. The slate race does appear to be hotting up, though, and that’s a good thing.

greg donovan
03-08-2010, 08:24 PM
i am still waiting for more info on the courier from microsoft. i think that is the one that i would buy. i like the idea of having more than just a touchscreen.

Jason California
03-08-2010, 08:27 PM
i am still waiting for more info on the courier from microsoft. i think that is the one that i would buy. i like the idea of having more than just a touchscreen.


I hear you.

greg donovan
03-08-2010, 08:34 PM
I hear you.

this is pretty cool. and looks like it would be good for reading comics and magazines. and it is cool that it appears that it will be ready for sites like Hulu.

Jason California
03-08-2010, 08:36 PM
this is pretty cool. and looks like it would be good for reading comics and magazines. and it is cool that it appears that it will be ready for sites like Hulu.


that it does. i figure by christmas time i will be buying the best of what is available.

greg donovan
03-08-2010, 08:45 PM
that it does. i figure by christmas time i will be buying the best of what is available.

there are so many awesome things coming that i dont even know where to begin my wish list. i am like a kid in a candy store.

these pads are cool but a little big, too hard to be sneaky with them like you can be with a phone like the motorola droid. but that things screen is a bit too small. i would like a 6" screen.

i would hope that it will be possible to access my netflix account with one of these devices too. get a couple of these and load 'em up with a couple ebooks, netflix and hulu and a few games and car trips will rock. i am so jealous of my kids right now. i got to read books and play ispy. i fucking hate ispy.

Jason California
03-08-2010, 08:50 PM
there are so many awesome things coming that i dont even know where to begin my wish list. i am like a kid in a candy store.

these pads are cool but a little big, too hard to be sneaky with them like you can be with a phone like the motorola droid. but that things screen is a bit too small. i would like a 6" screen.

i would hope that it will be possible to access my netflix account with one of these devices too. get a couple of these and load 'em up with a couple ebooks, netflix and hulu and a few games and car trips will rock. i am so jealous of my kids right now. i got to read books and play ispy. i fucking hate ispy.


I think the next ten years will be amazing technology wise. We are right on the cusp of some amazing stuff. I never played ipsy.

leafinsectman
03-08-2010, 08:56 PM
Looks nice so far, I'd really like a decent alternative to the iPad. No idea if I'll actually like reading comics on the thing (hopefully the resolution is high enough and/or digital comics is presented well enough) but I hope the whole digital thing makes it so that lower selling titles are given more of a chance.

Jason California
03-08-2010, 08:59 PM
longwise it is definately a good size to a view a comic page.

leafinsectman
03-08-2010, 09:02 PM
I think the next ten years will be amazing technology wise. We are right on the cusp of some amazing stuff.

I hope so. Last decade gave us the internet and mobile phones and digital cameras and other cool shit. (Yes, they existed before that but it was only really last decade that the general public got those things.) That'll be pretty hard to top. Lately its mainly been a gradual evolution of those things, making things better as opposed to introducing new game changers. But if the whole tablet thing can be a game changer even if its just for comics (and hopefully for the better) then that's good enough for me.

leafinsectman
03-08-2010, 09:07 PM
longwise it is definately a good size to a view a comic page.

Sounds good. I guess as long as its easy to scroll and all that stuff then it should be good. Fuck I'm impatient, I want this whole digital comics now.

Nick Spencer
03-08-2010, 09:56 PM
i am still waiting for more info on the courier from microsoft. i think that is the one that i would buy. i like the idea of having more than just a touchscreen.

http://www.islate.org/?p=1112

Overall, I though it was really disappointing. The thing is tiny, so not really good for reading comics or books. Pen-based. Weird OS. Strange primary uses.

This thing looks better than that by a mile-- but I doubt Windows 7 is gonna run very well on it, just not touchscreen-friendly enough, which is why they're showing off this adobe interface. Which is funny because this looks pretty iphone os-esque, which I thought was a big complaint with the iPad.

Basically, I'm pretty skeptical that HP is gonna produce something superior to Apple.

greg donovan
03-09-2010, 09:31 PM
http://www.islate.org/?p=1112

Overall, I though it was really disappointing. The thing is tiny, so not really good for reading comics or books. Pen-based. Weird OS. Strange primary uses.

This thing looks better than that by a mile-- but I doubt Windows 7 is gonna run very well on it, just not touchscreen-friendly enough, which is why they're showing off this adobe interface. Which is funny because this looks pretty iphone os-esque, which I thought was a big complaint with the iPad.

Basically, I'm pretty skeptical that HP is gonna produce something superior to Apple.

tiny? it is the size of a paperback book. it will be fine for reading. its smaller size is exactly why i want it. the ipad type devices are too big for my tastes. if i wanted to carry something that big i would just carry my gateway tablet pc/notbook around.

i also dont see the pen as a problem. the pen is more accurate than my finger and it is better for drawing and writing. plus this thing still uses touch too from what i have seen.

this is the device for people that still carry paper dayplanners and notebooks around. there are plenty of them out there to justify this.

i would also imagine that since it is windows based it will multitask. so that that means i can use it to listen to music while i am working.