Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

[JamesV]

Fellow Austinites, you okay?


(CNN) -- A small airplane crashed into a building in Austin, Texas, Thursday morning, according to Lynn Lundsford of the Federal Aviation Administration.

Firefighters used two ladder trucks and other equipment to hose down the blaze at the building, which police said was located in the 9400 block of Research Boulevard.

Officials said they did not know the cause for the crash.

"At this time we have no reason to believe there is a nexus to criminal or terrorist activity," said Matt Chandler, spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security. "We are in the process of coordinating with state officials and other federal partners to gather more information and at this time we will defer additional questions to local officials and the FAA."

[Rod Nunley]

Fellow Austinites, you okay?

I'm good. Watching the news now. It's pretty fucked up.

[The Hodag]

Yikes.

All's well in Austin's conservative hat, Round Rock.

[Marc Lombardi]

I heard something about the local branch of the IRS being in or around the complex where the building hit.

[Rod Nunley]

I heard something about the local branch of the IRS being in or around the complex where the building hit.

There's an FBI office in a nearby location that was not hit.

[The Hodag]

Plane hits: 'Whoosh, a roar and a boom'
EMS officials responding to reports at 10 a.m.

Updated: Thursday, 18 Feb 2010, 11:11 AM CST
Published : Thursday, 18 Feb 2010, 10:18 AM CST

A small plane crashed into a business tower that houses some federal offices in Austin on Thursday morning, engulfing the entire front half of the seven-story building in flames.



The plane, a Cherokee 140, hit the Echelon Building on Mopac and U.S. 183 around 10 a.m.

Witnesses at the scene say that a single engine plane that appeared to be a Cherokee 140 did not appear to be having any trouble, but hit the building at an angle. No smoke or any sign of trouble was visible.

Said one witness, a former pilot: "It was a really speedy dive. It (hit) between the first and second floors in Echelon III. A gigantic fireballl came out about 50 feet wide, the windows blew out. It was a whoosh, a roar and a boom."

Emergency crews are on the scene, and two people are still unaccounted for, fire officials say. The IRS and the CIA all have offices in that office complex, witnesses say.

The collision shook the entire buildling, and the entire front of the structure is gone and on fire, according to emails being reported from inside the building. Several witnesses are reporting they first thought it was a bomb.

Emergency crews are doing a roll call on the scene to account for people in the building.

There are four separate fires burning in the building. Some 50 to 100 people are outside watching, and the entire building from the second to fourth floor is on fire.

FBI officials officed in a next-door building began immediately interviewing witnesses.

Motorists are being diverted off 183.

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/small-plane-hits-echelon-on-mopac-183

[JamesV]

It's actually next to a pretty big church that I believe has it's own private school.

So this could have been a lot worse.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Holy crap... This is first I've heard of this.

[Epic Conventions]

Now they are saying the pilot set fire to his house, and stole the plane and crashed it into the building on purpose.

[JamesV]

Now they are saying the pilot set fire to his house, and stole the plane and crashed it into the building on purpose.

Yeah. That's what is showing on CNN's website right now.

[Hoggie]

Take that IRS, he showed you!

[Patrick King]

Wow, that's about a mile from my apartment. I drove by the building on the way to the office, there are fire crews everywhere and the part of the building facing 183 is all blown out and smoky.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I can't find anything about casualties. Any info yet?

[Patrick King]

Oh man, a friend of mine just IMed me saying that he had applied for a job at that specific IRS office, but ended up not getting it, otherwise he would have been there this morning.

[The Crushtacean]

Yikes. All's well here, but that's kinda nuts.

[Heroic Age Moe]

CNN Sanchez is gloriously reading the guys suicide note. Linking Healthcare, Arthur Anderson.

The note reads like a whiny message board post.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/internet_note_posted_by_man_li.html

[bartleby]

CNN Sanchez is gloriously reading the guys suicide note. Linking Healthcare, Arthur Anderson.

The note reads like a whiny message board post.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/internet_note_posted_by_man_li.html

Did he mention whether or not the guy was Republican or Democrat?!


:roll:

[Thudpucker]

I used to work in the building right next door. Pretty scary.

A lot more details are being released now and he left a note behind. He started all this off by killing his daughters cat, apparently he set the cat in fire.

Hopefully there is a special place in hell for this man.

[Thudpucker]

I can't find anything about casualties. Any info yet?

They were saying on the radio that one person is missing and two people were taken to the hospital. No known fatalities.

Amazing considering there were more than 200 people in the building and the extent of the damage. Luckily the plane struck an empty breakroom.

[Alexander Hamilton]

They were saying on the radio that one person is missing and two people were taken to the hospital. No known fatalities.

Amazing considering there were more than 200 people in the building and the extent of the damage. Luckily the plane struck an empty breakroom.

Wow... that's pretty incredible.

i just read his internet post and I can't say I disagree with a lot of what he's saying, but at the same time.... he's craaaazy. :crazy:

[bachman]

I made it about two pages into the note. He should have just written "Dear World, waaaah". Coulda saved me a few minutes.

[JamesV]

I made it about two pages into the note. He shoulda just wrote "Dear World, waaaah". Coulda saved me a few minutes.

Have you noticed these people are never artists? It's always people who think they can writer long manifesto's and treaties.

Just once I want an illustrated suicide note.

[Matt Jay]

Did he mention whether or not the guy was Republican or Democrat?!


:roll:

I couldn't finish. So fucking boring. Thank god he's dead.

[bachman]

Just once I want an illustrated suicide note.

I'm up for the challenge!

[Patrick King]

So this guy was just an anti-tax, anti-government nut.

[Matt Jay]

So this guy was just an anti-tax, anti-government nut.

And such a drama queen! Good lord! Rather than whining about how hard life is or how everyone close to him died because of a preventable disease at the hands of corporate greed, he whines about having to PAY TAXES.

Has it been confirmed yet that this douche joined the teabag parties?

[Patrick King]

And such a drama queen! Good lord! Rather than whining about how hard life is or how everyone close to him died because of a preventable disease at the hands of corporate greed, he whines about having to PAY TAXES.

Has it been confirmed yet that this douche joined the teabag parties?
I hate to say it, but when I heard that the building had some IRS offices, that was the first thing I thought of.

[jamestolliver]

And such a drama queen! Good lord! Rather than whining about how hard life is or how everyone close to him died because of a preventable disease at the hands of corporate greed, he whines about having to PAY TAXES.

Has it been confirmed yet that this douche joined the teabag parties?

Well he ends his letter with:


The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

I don't think a Tea Party person would cite the merits of the "communist creed" and be critical of capitalism. I guess we'll see.

[Matt Jay]

Well he ends his letter with:



I don't think a Tea Party person would cite the merits of the "communist creed" and be critical of capitalism. I guess we'll see.

I do not feel that his logic is sound.

[bachman]

Well, since Bart and Matt bring it up:


-"Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers (and in this case GM executives)"

-"Yet at the samet time, the joke we call the American medical system, including insurance companies, murder tens of thousands of people per year (and our leaders don't see this as important as bailing out their rich cronies)"

- "The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies..."
Um, yeah, sorry. If anything this nut sounds more like a liberal loon than a conservative loon. Since ya know, Bart and Matt brought it up, I figured I may as well contribute some actual facts.

[Foolish Mortal]

Well, since Bart and Matt bring it up:


Um, yeah, sorry. If anything this nut sounds more like a liberal loon than a conservative loon. Since ya know, Bart and Matt brought it up, I figured I may as well contribute some actual facts.
Or he could be a Libertarian Loon.

Loonies come in many flavors.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Or he could be a Libertarian Loon.

Loonies come in many flavors.

and this is a town full of Libertarian loons.

Not that Libertarianism is, in and of itself, loonie.

[Ryan F]

He's an anti-tax, anti-corporate, anti-government loon. Not all loons fit into simple categories.

[jamestolliver]

Again, I don't think a libertarian would be so critical of capitalism.

[jamestolliver]

He's an anti-tax, anti-corporate, anti-government loon. Not all loons fit into simple categories.

Exactly.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Exactly.

agreed.

[Gregory]

Also, he's a CPA: a hotbed of Lovecraftian madness.

[edwardmblake]

Well, since Bart and Matt bring it up:


Um, yeah, sorry. If anything this nut sounds more like a liberal loon than a conservative loon. Since ya know, Bart and Matt brought it up, I figured I may as well contribute some actual facts.

Fiscal conservatives believe the George Bush was a bad president. The Tea Party believe that GM shouldn't have been bailed out. Right now, we don't know what his political leanings are and it really doesn't matter. How about we find out how he was able to steal a plane?

[Nick Spencer]

It is getting really sad how everytime something like this happens, people are falling all over themselves to figure out which side of the political football the perpetrator was on.

If you are crashing planes into buildings, you are somewhere past the standard Obama vs. Fox News bullshit.

[Alexander Hamilton]

It is getting really sad how everytime something like this happens, people are falling all over themselves to figure out which side of the political football the perpetrator was on.

If you are crashing planes into buildings, you are somewhere past the standard Obama vs. Fox News bullshit.

Oh, you're right. I think it's human nature in some way to place blame in a larger context, even when it's just a lone gunman.

[Ryan Elliott]

Well, since Bart and Matt bring it up:


Um, yeah, sorry. If anything this nut sounds more like a liberal loon than a conservative loon. Since ya know, Bart and Matt brought it up, I figured I may as well contribute some actual facts.


First time for everything.

[Ryan F]

It is getting really sad how everytime something like this happens, people are falling all over themselves to figure out which side of the political football the perpetrator was on.

If you are crashing planes into buildings, you are somewhere past the standard Obama vs. Fox News bullshit.

I'm waiting for the "is he a terrorist" debate.

[Patrick King]

I'm waiting for the "is he a terrorist" debate.
Well they announced pretty soon after it happened that it wasn't an act of terrorism, but that word gets thrown around so much these days that I'm sure it'll happen inevitably.

[edwardmblake]

Well they announced pretty soon after it happened that it wasn't an act of terrorism, but that word gets thrown around so much these days that I'm sure it'll happen inevitably.

Here comes "domestic terrorist."

[Matt Jay]

Well, since Bart and Matt bring it up:


Um, yeah, sorry. If anything this nut sounds more like a liberal loon than a conservative loon. Since ya know, Bart and Matt brought it up, I figured I may as well contribute some actual facts.

Aren't you missing an anti-Brubaker rally?

[bachman]

It is getting really sad how everytime something like this happens, people are falling all over themselves to figure out which side of the political football the perpetrator was on.

If you are crashing planes into buildings, you are somewhere past the standard Obama vs. Fox News bullshit.

I agree.

Bart and Matt, let's try and keep things in perspective.

[Kedd]

Damn shame. One thing's for certain, the fella was a piece of shit.

[Kedd]

And as expected, news like this brings certain elements floating to the top.

[JamesV]

Fiscal conservatives believe the George Bush was a bad president. The Tea Party believe that GM shouldn't have been bailed out. Right now, we don't know what his political leanings are and it really doesn't matter. How about we find out how he was able to steal a plane?

I imagine stealing a small two seater, 1 prop engine plane from a small local air strip that odds are he had access to many times since he was licensed to fly that kind of plane (according to reports) isn't really that big/hard of a thing to do.

[Ray G.]

Sounds like your typical anti-establishment fuckwit. I doubt he was coherent enough to decide what side of the fence he was on.

[bartleby]

They're now saying that it was his plane.

[Foolish Mortal]

The more I'm reading about the guy, it sounds like he was just an old fashioned nutcase.

[Foolish Mortal]

Sounds like your typical anti-establishment fuckwit. I doubt he was coherent enough to decide what side of the fence he was on.
Yeah, one of those types who think "The Man" is always out to get him.

[Kedd]

I just googled his name and got a link for a dvd called Forrest Rump and Hairy Boyz 24

[Khrutch]

It is getting really sad how everytime something like this happens, people are falling all over themselves to figure out which side of the political football the perpetrator was on.

If you are crashing planes into buildings, you are somewhere past the standard Obama vs. Fox News bullshit.

Agreed.


Sounds like your typical anti-establishment fuckwit. I doubt he was coherent enough to decide what side of the fence he was on.

Agreed again.

[Kedd]

Fiscal conservatives believe the George Bush was a bad president. The Tea Party believe that GM shouldn't have been bailed out. Right now, we don't know what his political leanings are and it really doesn't matter. How about we find out how he was able to steal a plane?

But it's so much easier for some of us to just blame liberals/conservatives.

[bartleby]

Agreed.



Agreed again.

Hilarious.

[Matt Jay]

But it's so much easier for some of us to just blame liberals/conservatives.

WTF? Why is everyone so somber? Were you all deeply attached to the plane that got destroyed today? Does Anna Nicole need to rise from the grave and die again for you people to lighten up?

[bachman]

Does Anna Nicole need to rise from the grave and die again for you people to lighten up?

Hot.

I mean, ew!

[Lab-Rat]

You know...I'm just now finding out about this. Crazy.

What's crazier is that had I actually woken up at the time of day I wanted to today...I would have been in that part of town (though no where near that building)....but I decided to sleep in. Crazy.

[Matt Jay]

So I read more of the most boring suicide note ever, and not only could this douche afford his own private plane, but he had a wife!!! I think I tripped over four people this morning that have had a worse life than this crybaby.

[Alexander Hamilton]

You know...I'm just now finding out about this. Crazy.

What's crazier is that had I actually woken up at the time of day I wanted to today...I would have been in that part of town (though no where near that building)....but I decided to sleep in. Crazy.

Hey.. completely off topic, but how's the new job?

[Cth]

.

[Sean Jackson]

Wow... I wonder if this will affect taxes at all, seeing as the wife and I sent ours off via FedEx a week or 2 ago...

[Kedd]

WTF? Why is everyone so somber? Were you all deeply attached to the plane that got destroyed today? Does Anna Nicole need to rise from the grave and die again for you people to lighten up?

Am I being somber?

[Thudpucker]

Wow... I wonder if this will affect taxes at all, seeing as the wife and I sent ours off via FedEx a week or 2 ago...

Only a matter of time before someone said that.

"40 car pileup on the local freeway? Man, I hope it doesn't delay my drive home too much. Lost is on tonight."

[Patrick King]

Wow... I wonder if this will affect taxes at all, seeing as the wife and I sent ours off via FedEx a week or 2 ago...
The main tax offices are down near 35 and 290, so I don't think it'll have a major effect.

[Lab-Rat]

Hey.. completely off topic, but how's the new job?

Start it on Monday....so I don't know yet. :)

Just enjoying a week off before the start of the new job.


"40 car pileup on the local freeway? Man, I hope it doesn't delay my drive home too much. Lost is on tonight."

Yeah...I was gonna leave the apartment and go run some errands...now I think I'm just going to stay in...maybe order a pizza or something.

[Matt Jay]

Only a matter of time before someone said that.

"40 car pileup on the local freeway? Man, I hope it doesn't delay my drive home too much. Lost is on tonight."

Sorry to interrupt the wake, 40 car pile-ups usually result in fatalities. Or at least one.

[Thudpucker]

Sorry to interrupt the wake, 40 car pile-ups usually result in fatalities. Or at least one.

Why are you sorry to interrupt the wake?

[Heroic Age Moe]

Did he mention whether or not the guy was Republican or Democrat?!


:roll:


heh no, but he managed to avoid any mention of his hate of Bush and the Catholic Church. Among other things. :lol:

[Heroic Age Moe]

So I read more of the most boring suicide note ever, and not only could this douche afford his own private plane, but he had a wife!!! I think I tripped over four people this morning that have had a worse life than this crybaby.

This is pretty funny :)

[Thudpucker]

Yeah...I was gonna leave the apartment and go run some errands...now I think I'm just going to stay in...maybe order a pizza or something.

I went down to the Domain during my lunch break, which is close to the crash site. Traffic wasn't bad at all.

[Kedd]

heh no, but he managed to avoid any mention of his hate of Bush and the Catholic Church. Among other things. :lol:

Did he mention his railings against Auto union workers?

[Heroic Age Moe]

Did he mention his railings against Auto union workers?


Not that I saw, he was just all excited he wanted better health care and cited Arthur Anderson [which required an aside to his partner who hadda explain what that was, natch.]

[Patrick King]

I went down to the Domain during my lunch break, which is close to the crash site. Traffic wasn't bad at all.

Mopac isn't really having any problems, but 183 is all kinds of backed up near the site.

[Kedd]

Not that I saw, he was just all excited he wanted better health care and cited Arthur Anderson [which required an aside to his partner who hadda explain what that was, natch.]

Part of me wants this guy to turn out to be a Peta and NRA member. I wanted so many oxymorons piled into one person's life that everyone's heads explode.

[Heroic Age Moe]

Part of me wants this guy to turn out to be a Peta and NRA member. I wanted so many oxymorons piled into one person's life that everyone's heads explode.

It could happen! I mean he has a whole bunch all riled up in there.

[gaspar]

I live about 5 blocks from the building so I figured I'd go do some photojournalistic reporting for the board:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4368191189_dd143650dc_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2697/4368191073_c5393c9aab_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2710/4368939702_c80035b53c_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4368190793_567b663def_o.jpg

By the time I got there from campus, most of the craziness was over, but there were still a lot of people and firetrucks were still soaking it. Still some smoke, etc. Crazy day...

[Sean Jackson]

Man, for someone who railed against the IRS, who did he think was gonna pay for the damage to the building he did? The private sector? Coming out of taxpayers pockets, isn't it?

[The Hodag]

Man, for someone who railed against the IRS, who did he think was gonna pay for the damage to the building he did? The private sector? Coming out of taxpayers pockets, isn't it?

I get the sense altruism was no longer the driving force in his life.




:crazy: <------ him

[mario]

Well they announced pretty soon after it happened that it wasn't an act of terrorism, but that word gets thrown around so much these days that I'm sure it'll happen inevitably.

But, he purposely attacked a Federal agency office, doesn't that constitute as an act of terrorism? No?

[bartleby]

But, he purposely attacked a Federal agency office, doesn't that constitute as an act of terrorism? No?

The announcement was that, at the time, they didn't have any reason to think it was an act of terrorism. Obviously, that has since changed.

[mike black]

The more I'm reading about the guy, it sounds like he was just an old fashioned nutcase.

From reading the note, he's an anarcho-syndicalist. None of his tennants would be contradictions at that point.

[Thudpucker]

I live about 5 blocks from the building so I figured I'd go do some photojournalistic reporting for the board:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4368191189_dd143650dc_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2697/4368191073_c5393c9aab_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2710/4368939702_c80035b53c_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4368190793_567b663def_o.jpg

By the time I got there from campus, most of the craziness was over, but there were still a lot of people and firetrucks were still soaking it. Still some smoke, etc. Crazy day...

Wow.

It's a real shame to lose that building. I used to work in the square mirrored building next to it about 3 years ago, always thought that was well designed area.

[Foolish Mortal]

From reading the note, he's an anarcho-syndicalist. None of his tennants would be contradictions at that point.
Do anarcho-syndicalists support the idea of burning down your family's home and trying to murder people with a plane?

No? Then he's nuts.

[mike black]

Do anarcho-syndicalists support the idea of burning down your family's home and trying to murder people with a plane?

No? Then he's nuts.

Most anarcho-syndicalists in the media are crazy, example:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/tedmug.jpg

[Foolish Mortal]

Most anarcho-syndicalists in the media are crazy, example:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/tedmug.jpg
Also...
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7261/nutsco7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[gaspar]

Wow.

It's a real shame to lose that building. I used to work in the square mirrored building next to it about 3 years ago, always thought that was well designed area.

Yeah, it was a crazy sight to see, especially not really knowing what to expect and then coming over the 183/MoPac overpass and seeing all of the people, police cars, fire trucks, media, etc. and the smoking, blown out building. Just a crazy situation.

I'm so glad that almost everyone was able to get out safely. I'm still holding out hope that the last one unaccounted for is going to be found ok...people are found days after horrible events like earthquakes, so there's a chance however slim until word comes out otherwise.

It was such a nice area when I drove to work this morning...

[mike black]

Also...
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7261/nutsco7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Po-tay-toes, Po-tah-toes.

[Foolish Mortal]

Po-tay-toes, Po-tah-toes.

These people are sociopaths. That is a mental illness.

[The Hodag]

Po-tay-toes, Po-tah-toes.

http://i46.tinypic.com/mhrcyd.gif

[Matt Jay]

These people are sociopaths. That is a mental illness.

I thought we were done talking about teabaggers!! Wakka wakka wakka!

[mike black]

These people are sociopaths. That is a mental illness.

I was referencing the "crazy or nuts" facet of our conversation.

They're essentially the same thing.

[Foolish Mortal]

I was referencing the "crazy or nuts" facet of our conversation.

They're essentially the same thing.
Eh whatever. :)

I was watching a news conference with the Austin mayor talking about how outrageous it was that after 9/11 people could still perform acts like flying planes into buildings.

I'm not sure what exactly could be done to stop this besides prohibiting people from owning and flying private planes.

What exactly could be done to stop something like this?

[mike black]

Eh whatever. :)

I was watching a news conference with the Austin mayor talking about how outrageous it was that after 9/11 people could still perform acts like flying planes into buildings.

I'm not sure what exactly could be done to stop this besides prohibiting people from owning and flying private planes.

What exactly could be done to stop something like this?

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/force_field.jpg

Or...

http://tmap.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/tb_atypicals_450_18990a.jpg

[XXXenophile]

I made it about two pages into the note. He should have just written "Dear World, waaaah". Coulda saved me a few minutes.

Waiting to see how much of the note you cut and paste for later rants here on the board.

[XXXenophile]

It is getting really sad how everytime something like this happens, people are falling all over themselves to figure out which side of the political football the perpetrator was on.

If you are crashing planes into buildings, you are somewhere past the standard Obama vs. Fox News bullshit.

Each side is looking at how to use this for the political gain. Election year ya know!

Ridiculous.

[XXXenophile]

heh no, but he managed to avoid any mention of his hate of Bush and the Catholic Church. Among other things. :lol:

Oh I love the fact the minute CNN said the letter contained hate against the Catholic Church for their tax breaks he was a "religious extremist".

Wonder if they'd say that if he ranted against a temple?

[Ryan F]

Most anarcho-syndicalists in the media are crazy, example:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/tedmug.jpg

And Noam Chomsky?

This guy had a really specific axe to grind (IRS section 1706), and I can't really find any group out there complaining about it.



Also, if you have enough money to own a plane, I'm not really convinced that the IRS is destroying your ability to make a living.

[XXXenophile]

CNN just confirmed they found a body in the building.

Maybe its the pilot.

[BronxRonin]

And i'm sure some folks will hail him a hero...

[Foolish Mortal]

And i'm sure some folks will hail him a hero...
I'm sure the Tea Party people will spin this as....

"This tragedy never would've happened if the bureaucrats in Washington had been listening!"

[CougarTrace]

I'm sure the Tea Party people will spin this as....

"This tragedy never would've happened if the bureaucrats in Washington had been listening!"

:roll:

no reason to make a political agenda out of this horrible happening

[bartleby]

:roll:

no reason to make a political agenda out of this horrible happening

This horrible happening was the result of a political agenda.

:roll: :roll:

[CougarTrace]

This horrible happening was the result of a political agenda.

:roll: :roll:

just the result of a mad (crazy) man to me

[Ray G.]

I'm sure the Tea Party people will spin this as....

"This tragedy never would've happened if the bureaucrats in Washington had been listening!"

Except for mutual crankiness over taxes, I don't think this guy has much in common with the tea party. His politics seem to be some bizarre fusion of extreme right with extreme left.

[Boris the Blade]

just the result of a mad (crazy) man to me
Crazy about hatin' government!

[SidekicksRevenge]

And i'm sure some folks will hail him a hero...


:roll:

no reason to make a political agenda out of this horrible happening


Except for mutual crankiness over taxes, I don't think this guy has much in common with the tea party. His politics seem to be some bizarre fusion of extreme right with extreme left.

Noted teabaggers had already made facebook fan pages for this jackass. Just sayin'...

[Ryan Elliott]

Noted teabaggers had already made facebook fan pages for this jackass. Just sayin'...


Link?

[Ray G.]

Noted teabaggers had already made facebook fan pages for this jackass. Just sayin'...

Well, they're pretty dumb, then. This guy's farewell message makes him seem like a Marxist.


Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

[DrMachine]

Is this considered an act of terrorism?

[Ray G.]

Is this considered an act of terrorism?

I'd say so, yeah. The tactics seem to be aimed at mass random killing, it's just that he wasn't able to pull it off.

[SidekicksRevenge]

Groups seem to have been removed, so my "noted teabagger" can be neither confirmed nor denied. However (and this is the best collection of them I could find, apologies that it's a fucking blog), you can't look at these and tell me the teabagging mentality isn't hard at play:

http://www.geekosystem.com/joe-stack-facebook-groups-joseph-andrew-stack/

[Foolish Mortal]

Well, they're pretty dumb, then. This guy's farewell message makes him seem like a Marxist.

I don't think it matters with some of these Tea Party people. Even if a lot of his jumbled up views don't perfectly match theirs, as long as the part about Taxes does, then they'll make hash out of that.

[Taxman]

Is this considered an act of terrorism?From what we know now, this guy was probably too unstable to be considered a terrorist. Had he been able to inflict a higher death toll, he would have been more likely to attract such a label.

[DrMachine]

I'd say so, yeah. The tactics seem to be aimed at mass random killing, it's just that he wasn't able to pull it off.
I would agree, I'm seeing people avoiding that label though.

[Foolish Mortal]

I'd say so, yeah. The tactics seem to be aimed at mass random killing, it's just that he wasn't able to pull it off.

It wasn't really random though. He specifically attacked that building because there were IRS offices in it.

[Ray G.]

It wasn't really random though. He specifically attacked that building because there were IRS offices in it.

Well, yeah, but he didn't care who was in them - Auditors, temp workers, janitors, or innocent people dealing with their finances. That's pretty much typical terrorist thought process - "All are guilty".

[jamestolliver]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-philosophy-of-Joe-Stack/494318700579?ref=search&sid=674491496.2133280640..1

:(

[Taxman]

I would agree, I'm seeing people avoiding that label though.Some people don't want to allow for non-Muslim terrorists, some only want to classify something as "terrorist" under the other party's watch. Some only want to call it terrorism if it involves an ideology they oppose.

In any case, it is better to wait until there is as much information available as possible, rather than jumping to an early conclusion.

[Taxman]

Well, yeah, but he didn't care who was in them - Auditors, temp workers, janitors, or innocent people dealing with their finances. That's pretty much typical terrorist thought process - "All are guilty".How would you differentiate this from anyone else who attempts to stage a mass attack on a physical target?

[SidekicksRevenge]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-philosophy-of-Joe-Stack/494318700579?ref=search&sid=674491496.2133280640..1

:(

That is a den of crazy that needs to be flagged. I'm okay if they need to follow me in a surveillance van for a while to make sure I'm cool. I did click on it, after all.

The is it "terrorism/is it not terrorism" question is really all semantics and nonsense. That's mostly because we've allowed it to become such a loaded word over the last 10 years.

[Foolish Mortal]

Some people don't want to allow for non-Muslim terrorists, some only want to classify something as "terrorist" under the other party's watch. Some only want to call it terrorism if it involves an ideology they oppose.
Yeah but no one would argue that Tim McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski aren't terrorists.

[Ryan Elliott]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-philosophy-of-Joe-Stack/494318700579?ref=search&sid=674491496.2133280640..1

:(


It's so weird to see pure crazy like this at its early stages.

[Ryan F]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-philosophy-of-Joe-Stack/494318700579?ref=search&sid=674491496.2133280640..1

:(

Jesus fucking christ. :(

[jamestolliver]

On the comments to one of the statuses someone posted this:


Our country needs a revolution, voting for a Democrat or a Republican is not revolutionary, it is big business as usual.

Neither party represents the average hard working American.

THE DNC = appear on the surface to represent socialist, welfare recipients, illegal alien loving, multiculturalists and those who look to the government for free cheese. But if you follow the money and their votes, they are whores for big business and Wall Street just as much as the Republicans. AND THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE!... See More

THE GOP = appear to be patriotic, flag waving, constitution loving Americans, but if you follow the money they are New World Order loving, oligarch supporting, pro Wall Street, Pro Communist China, pro illegal immigration, pro outsourcing American jobs, pro shipping our manufacturing base overseas and just all around lying sacks of manure. AND THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE!

America needs a populist third party alternative to break up the corporate globalist controlled oligarchy we now have.

A third party would not need to vote out every RINO or Democrat. We only need to take 10% of the House seats, this is very doable in conservative states. With 10% of congress we could control the agenda in Washington. Eventually, as the party proved itself and grew, we could take the Whitehouse.

www.thirdpartypatriots.org

Third Party Patriots mission statement is:


The purpose of this site is to allow supporters of the Tea Party movement a forum to network, share information and discuss the evolution of the Tea Party into a legitimate third party.

We believe that if the movement does not evolve into a third party, nothing will change in Washington. We believe that America needs a revolution, well voting for a Democrat or a Republican is not revolutionary - it is Big Business as usual.

This is no frills site, unlike other major Tea Party sites we are not supported by GOP PAC's, GOP strategists, wealthy lawyers or by making a profit off of the movement. We will strive to improve the site and grow as time and money allow. If you would like to become involved, write articles or help administer the site, please feel free to contact me.

We believe that neither party represents the average hard working American. Neither party puts America first. Both parties spend millions of dollars a year trying to convey an image to their members that they are either flag waving patriots or that they care about your needs; well this illusion could not be further from the truth. The two major parties are only interested in selling you an image to gain your vote. Once you have bought into their image and cast your vote, they will substitute their hidden agendas, be it big government or their willingness to send your job overseas. Think about this, how many politicians that you know of, have gone back on campaign promises? What makes anything different now? Why should we all of a sudden take the GOP's word that "they hear us loud and clear?" I believe that once the Republicans are returned to power, we will be right back to where we started, with a government that will not listen to the voices of average Americans.


Sigh. Idiots.


I should point out that socialists/marxist are also claiming him on facebook. For example, someone said this "'From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.' That's the GOP Platform in a sentence."

[Taxman]

Yeah but no one would argue that Tim McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski aren't terrorists.Well, not no one. (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=6651230#post6651230)

This guy and Kaczynski I think are pretty far out there. I suspect that McVeigh has more supporters than we would like to admit.

[jamestolliver]

:lol: This is an actual exchange on the Joe Stack Fan Club page:

Person 1- ROTFL! the Left will be surely trying to railroad this guy as a nut!!!! we must stop it b4 it starts!!!
Person 2- The left have no nuts! The right will have to do the dirty work it looks like.
Person 1- this guy is a Hero. balls of steel. i Vote Stack and (the guy that killed the abortion doc.) for Pres 2012!!!!!!!

It's not hard for the left to paint people on the right as nuts when they unironically say nutty stuff like this. According to Facebook, Person 1 is also a member of Clear Lake Tea Party TX.

As I pointed out before, crazy leftists are claiming him too. My main point is that people put a lot of stupid shit on the internet and when you do it on facebook, it's not even anonymous. Man, people are crazy.

[RebootedCorpse]

Pfft...White people aren't terrorists.

[bachman]

Pfft...White people aren't terrorists.

Nor can we dance, or jump. We're no fun at all.

[SidekicksRevenge]

Nor can we dance, or jump. We're no fun at all.

Ha! I knew you thought terrorists were fun.