AVENGERS #1 is in stores now! (Spoilers)

[Marvelprince]

Also, Moon Knight's a little too insane for a group scenario.

Cause we haven't seen people with questionable mental health on an Avengers team

[Brother Power the Gong]

Cause we haven't seen people with questionable mental health on an Avengers team

And he does have history with the team. Hell, he even showed up in Disassembled.

[Taxman]

Also, Moon Knight's a little too insane for a group scenario.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Covers/sentry7c.jpg

[Cth]

Dr Strange?

[bartleby]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Covers/sentry7c.jpg

A team can't have two crazy guys. One of the two becomes irrelevant because that role is already being filled.

[DAVE]

A team can't have two crazy guys. One of the two becomes irrelevant because that role is already being filled.

How about Crazy Lancer? There can be two Crazy Lancers, right?

[Foolish Mortal]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Covers/sentry7c.jpg

And also, Bi-Polar Hank Pym, Alcoholic Tony Stark, and batshit insane Wanda Maximoff.

[Taxman]

A team can't have two crazy guys. One of the two becomes irrelevant because that role is already being filled.:rofl:

Oh no, Moon Knight drove The Sentry sane.

[WhindamPryce]

If Moon Knight and Sentry are on a team, we can finally have Marvel's Batman & Superman together. And they're both CRAAAAAZZYYYYY :lol:

[bartleby]

How about Crazy Lancer? There can be two Crazy Lancers, right?

Two crazy lancer science guys!

[Taxman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Custom%20Gifs/HeroicAgewANDA.png

[Brother Power the Gong]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Custom%20Gifs/HeroicAgewANDA.png

No More Pixels.

[Matt Jay]

If Moon Knight and Sentry are on a team, we can finally have Marvel's Batman & Superman together. And they're both CRAAAAAZZYYYYY :lol:

As much as I hate the Sentry, that would be pretty funny for an issue or two. Having read the first 3 trades of MK's current series, I would say that MK is definitely the crazier of the two. The guy mutilates criminals to appease the god that speaks to him in the form of a victim whose face he sliced off. It may not be Moon Knight, but now I'm really hoping it is. Bru could do great things...

[DoctorB]

Taskmaster might be in need of a little redemption after Siege is over... And his silhouette is not far off Moon Knight's

[Foolish Mortal]

Taskmaster might be in need of a little redemption after Siege is over... And his silhouette is not far off Moon Knight's

Hmm, but would Taskmaster just suddenly give up his lucrative business of training super-villains and mercenaries?

[batroc the leaper]

Hmm, but would Taskmaster just suddenly give up his lucrative business of training super-villains and mercenaries?

He might be
A) too far down the rabbit hole, and the big heroes are putting him on the radar for helping beat the shit out of thor
or
B) seeing that he can make some money and become an actual hero with them

[gooch]

My first thought was Taskmaster, but I just flipped through the issue of Moon Knight that Deodato did like a year or two ago and now I'm thinking its him. he probably draws the same style cape on each character, but it definitely looks like this one has a hood.
Marvel definitely wants to push the character. The last volume ended with mediocre sales, but it didn't stop them from launching a new one right away.
I only picked up issue 1 of the new series, so I'm not sure where his head is at these days. I know he seemed like he wanted to go back and be some what of a "hero", maybe he wants to be a team player as well?

[DAVE]

Two crazy lancer science guys!

And a Baby!

[bartleby]

And a Baby!

Plus...a second baby!

[DAVE]

Plus...a second baby!

That'll never work!

[WhindamPryce]

Plus...a second baby!


That'll never work!

I think Lancer Babies might just be the Best Idea Ever!!!

Written by Bendis!

Cage gets his eye poked out in every single issue!

:rock:

[bartleby]

What about two science guy babies?

[WhindamPryce]

What about two science guy babies?

My brain just exploded!!

[DAVE]

What about two science guy babies?

Then when Science Guy Baby becomes furniture. Probably a footrest or something. It's true, I read it on a website.

[Taxman]

Sometimes it can work out having two lancer babes if there is an outcast guy for the two to compete over the affections of.

[The Human Target]

The first thing that pooped into my mind on seeing the pointy looking piece on the left shoulder area was Exodus.

Not saying I like the idea, but hey.

[King of Mars]

The first thing that pooped into my mind on seeing the pointy looking piece on the left shoulder area was Exodus.

Not saying I like the idea, but hey.Heh.

"Pooped into my mind."

*chuckle*

[The Human Target]

I'm gonna start saying that on purpose.

[hamgravy]

The first thing that pooped into my mind on seeing the pointy looking piece on the left shoulder area was Exodus.

Not saying I like the idea, but hey.

Thought the same thing too - without the poop.

[juampi]

If Moon Knight and Sentry are on a team, we can finally have Marvel's Batman & Superman together. And they're both CRAAAAAZZYYYYY :lol:

World's Maddest?

[CalypsoDynamo]

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/11223storystory_full-5824178..jpg

Scarlet Witch?

[blinkless]

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/11223storystory_full-5824178..jpg

Scarlet Witch?

Nah, that's Ego the Living Planet. Can't you see the cape?

[Elven Johnny]

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/11223storystory_full-5824178..jpg

Scarlet Witch?

That would be my guess given the outline and the quote. Then again it could be a teaser designed to mislead. I doubt it, but who knows (well, presumably Bendis, Brubaker, and Quesada, but they aren't talking specifics yet).

[MabusRex]

Emma Frost? Storm?

[Alpha Centauri]

I'd love it to be Emma Frost, but I doubt she'd leave Scott and Utopia right now.

If that's Storm, can we assume the first teaser isn't Black Panther? Surely they wouldn't both join the same team.

[Marcdachamp]

I'd love it to be Emma Frost, but I doubt she'd leave Scott and Utopia right now.

If that's Storm, can we assume the first teaser isn't Black Panther? Surely they wouldn't both join the same team.

Why?

[Michael-Deery]

It's looks like Sentry with his arms folded

[Foolish Mortal]

It's looks like Sentry with his arms folded
Looks like a woman to me. Unless the Sentry now has an hourglass waist.

[Taxman]

Wait, what ever looked like Black Panther?

This person here . . .

Tag line sounds very Scarlet Witchy as suggested.

She has no hairpiece though. I guess they could have left it out to make it not obvious.

That hair part though looks very pronounced to me. Whoever this, probably has a recognizable part in her hair. Therefor I say it is not Wanda.

I am not thinking off hand of anyone with such a hair part. Songbird might, but nothing about the rest of this person's appearance would lead me to believe it was her.

So, prominent hair part and cape would be what I would call clues here. Looks like this call has a pretty impressive bust line as well but that's not much of a clue, is it?

[Alpha Centauri]

Polaris?

[Elven Johnny]

It's looks like Sentry with his arms folded

I didn't realize The Sentury was uh, so, uh, gifted in the chest area. :)

[sloth_love_chunk]

I'm really hoping there is a third Avengers book written by Slott. Maybe with a fun artist. Like Ed McGuinness maybe. With a lot of cosmic/time travel stuff.

[ValeriaK]

It looks like Jocasta with a cape

[Princesa]

My guess the cloaked woman is Scarlet Witch or Storm...I could see either one. I tend to see the Witch back in some Young Avenger storyline...

[DWHodum]

Rogue?

[NickT]

Cover to #1 - http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/106/1069117p1.html

[hellblazer72]

nice cover, too bad wolverine's there to mess it up. :)

[BENDIS!]

hey thats jr jr!! :)

[Howlett]

Cover to #1 - http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/106/1069117p1.html

Grrr, IGN never fucking works for me!

Any chance you can post the image here?

[NickT]

Grrr, IGN never fucking works for me!

Any chance you can post the image here?
A good chance (Say if it doesn't load) :)


http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/106/1069117/the-avengers-vol-4-20100212013459321.jpg

[hellblazer72]

hey thats jr jr!! :)

i love jr jr's work since his daredevil days. i'm not a fan of wolverine on everyteam, for a loner he sure likes working with others. :)

[Howlett]

A good chance (Say if it doesn't load) :)


http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/106/1069117/the-avengers-vol-4-20100212013459321.jpg

I'm not going to lie.

I may lick you the next time we meet.

Just so's you know.

[Taxman]

Cover to #1 - http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/106/1069117p1.htmlWolverine and Spider-Man?

Well, beggars can't be choosers, I guess. :surrend:

[Alpha Centauri]

Cap looks fucking epic.

Not so much Wolverine and Iron Man (Though the Iron Man of the teaser and the Thor of the teaser were awesome).

I like how Romita Jr. draws Thor, but something's bothering me about his face there. Still, it's just a cover. I suspect Romita Jr. will bring the A game on this book.

[Ray G.]

Spider-man! :rock:

Wolverine. :neutral:

[Foolish Mortal]

Cover to #1 - http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/106/1069117p1.html

http://i48.tinypic.com/zl25cl.jpg

Terrific! And that doesn't look like Bucky Cap to me.

And where the women at??

[Alpha Centauri]

Wouldn't his costume be scale-mail if it was Steve?

[Gene Reginato]

Fugly cover. Just terrible.

[bartleby]

Pretty sure that's Bucky Cap. It doesn't look any noticeably different than how JrJr drew him in the earlier promo shot. Plus, he's got the pouches on his belt, which I don't think Steve's Captain America costume has.

[Foolish Mortal]

Wouldn't his costume be scale-mail if it was Steve?
*Checks Eyes*

Hmm, well his eyes are brown. Maybe it is Bucky.

[Spidey616]

:rock:

[Elven Johnny]

Not that excited about Wolverine still being on the team. Still, if it gets me Clint back in his Hawkeye costume then Wolverine can be on every team (wait . . . he already is?)

[Zack_Hunter]

So is it more then the 7 members we now know?

[Taxman]

So is it more then the 7 members we now know?Hopefully Logan and Spidey only appear in the first issue to give all of the lancers and science guys and whatnot a good sendoff.

[bartleby]

So is it more then the 7 members we now know?

Those seven plus Bubble Boy.

[Zack_Hunter]

I'm asking a serious question though because Brian's twitter leads me to believe that they might have a couple more members.

[Foolish Mortal]

I'm asking a serious question though because Brian's twitter leads me to believe that they might have a couple more members.

Well we should at least expect another female member.

[WhindamPryce]

FUCK YEAH!!!!! :rock::rock::rock:

[NickT]

Well we should at least expect another female member.
Why? Only one female Dark Avenger.

[Taxman]

Well we should at least expect another female member.We should expect the line-up to change frequently.

[SidekicksRevenge]

Hooray for Spidey! Less excited for Wolverine...even my suspension of disbelief can reconcile living in Utopia and New York at the same time.

[Zack_Hunter]

We should expect the line-up to change frequently.

Not really. New Avengers had the same basic crew throughout the book. :-?

[Taxman]

Not really. New Avengers had the same basic crew throughout the book. :-?:?

[Zack_Hunter]

:?

It did! Peter and Luke have been in the book since the beginning, Logan too. So not quite sure where your getting that the roster would repeatedly change.

[TheKraken]

It did! Peter and Luke have been in the book since the beginning, Logan too. So not quite sure where your getting that the roster would repeatedly change.

Did you read New Avengers?

[Taxman]

It did! Peter and Luke have been in the book since the beginning, Logan too. So not quite sure where your getting that the roster would repeatedly change.It's always changed, throughout the 40 plus years of the book's history. Logan took powders a couple of times. Iron Man gone, Captain America was a dead guy, The Sentry left, there were different Nunchuck Guys, Iron Fist added, Dr. Strange came and left, Bucky joined, Bobbie . . . used to be dead, Jewel was there in a few issues, also Ms. Marvel. There are probably other changes as well.

[Taxman]

Did you read New Avengers?Maybe, he's seen all of the covers?

[juampi]

What? No Songbird? :(

[DaveCummings]

What? No Songbird? :(


What are you talking about?!?!? Where's Jack of Hearts? Where's D-Man? Where's Rage?? :)

[juampi]

What are you talking about?!?!? Where's Jack of Hearts? Where's D-Man? Where's Rage?? :)

Don't forget Silverclaw!!

[SidekicksRevenge]

What are you talking about?!?!? Where's Jack of Hearts? Where's D-Man? Where's Rage?? :)

Triathalon! Gilgamesh!

[bartleby]

Triathalon!

Not available for Bendis to use as he's part of the new Agents of Atlas team.

[Foolish Mortal]

He's called 3-D Man now, by the way.

[juampi]

Where's Deathcry?

Man, this Age Of Heroes Suck...

[rwsmith]

hey thats jr jr!! :)

Oh, wow. JRJR's art hasn't looked this tight since Enemy of the State, at least IMO. And with Wolverine and Spider-man on this team, well, I know which Avengers book I'll be buying. :D

I might check out one or two of the others (depending on who actually ends up on that Secret Avengers team), but this is definitely the A-list / "Marvel's JLA" type team that I was hoping for. And with Spider-woman and Hawkeye on the team too the only major ingredient missing is a Hulk character (either the Hulk or possibly She-Hulk to add another female). Or perhaps the Thing instead. Regardless I am happy with this line-up now. Good blend of Avengers Classic and New.

[DAVE]

Cap looks fucking epic.

Not so much Wolverine and Iron Man (Though the Iron Man of the teaser and the Thor of the teaser were awesome).

I like how Romita Jr. draws Thor, but something's bothering me about his face there. Still, it's just a cover. I suspect Romita Jr. will bring the A game on this book.

You think Romita was bringing anything but his A game to the cover? :-?

[TheKraken]

You think Romita was bringing anything but his A game to the cover? :-?

Well, the seam on Wolverine's mask is pretty obviously not going down the middle like it's supposed to... that jumped out at me immediately. Very surprising. That really is just about the coolest damn drawing of Bucky Cap by anyone to date, tho'.

[ValeriaK]

Where's Deathcry?

Man, this Age Of Heroes Suck...

She was killed when the whole Marvel Cosmic Reloaded began... in the Starlod series a couple of years ago :( Saddest day ever that was, oh we few Deathcry fans have mourned ever since

[Maestro]

Talk about a dream team! I hope Wolverine isn't neutered though in this bright and shiny "Heroic Age"... Wolverine has to be Wolverine

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

So, to Cap, will what happened with the team after Civil War (his team) be looked upon as having done the best they could with what they had or would he have expected more and better from them as Avengers.

Just thinking on what Cap and Iron Man set out to do when they formed their New Avengers and what happened that led up to Siege. Great stories, but how would the characters feel about it? And how would they feel about what Pym has done? I need me a good talking heads issue to cover all this stuff!

[Marcdachamp]

Bendis would be INSANE not to put Spider-Man and Logan on a JR book. Good to see, but pretty much confirming what we've known.

Bendis, personal request, PLEASE get some great locales for JR to draw. He's at his best when he has beautiful places to draw his characters in. Get as many shots of this team in their elements as you can. Give John some rooftops for Peter, some Japan for Logan, some hospitals for Thor... this guy is a powerhouse. Please use him accordingly. I keep imagining all of the great books he's drawn and now all those characters are in one place... man, I haven't been this excited since New Avengers #1.

Oh, and Bendis: DD and the Punisher. Get them both in for some cameos. You KNOW you want to.

[hellblazer72]

i want scott lang back. i've never forgiven bendis for this and until this problem is rectified i never will.

[Dude Pal]

I love that Spidey is swinging his web off Mjonir.

[Howlett]

Where's Deathcry?

Man, this Age Of Heroes Suck...

She's dead :)

No, wait... I mean... she's dead :(

[Mimick]

Fugly cover. Just terrible.

What are you talking about? I think that cover is gorgeous! JrJR is one of the best visual story tellers around. John Byrne says so, and so does everyone in the business including his fans. I can't wait until Avengers rolls out :D

[Gene Reginato]

It's generic. When artists do generic, iconic covers, the art must be visually catching. In here it isn't. it's boring and sketchy.

[Foolish Mortal]

It looks like an Editor-Mandated cover.

"Hey John, we need a cover with just this specific group of characters."

[bartleby]

It looks like an Editor-Mandated cover.

"Hey John, we need a cover with just this specific group of characters."

I like the composition of having five big characters all filling up the frame, tightly cropped, but I think it would have looked better if they were all just in a standing V-position without the back three characters mid-flight.

[DAVE]

It's generic. When artists do generic, iconic covers, the art must be visually catching. In here it isn't. it's boring and sketchy.

Jesus christ, I've got to get out of this thread. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[The Human Target]

I love JRJR and I don't love that cover.

[nick maynard]

I love JRJR and I don't love that cover.
same here. there's nothing wrong with it, but there's nothing exceptional about it either (at least relative to other JRJR covers). it's just them standing there. no design, or background, or action, or anything.

compare this cover to the last bunch of avengers #1's -

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/7636_4_001.jpghttp://www.girlsdontreadcomics.com/images/New_Avengers_01.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Mighty_Avengers.jpghttp://prismcomics.org/assets/874.jpg

or compare it to these -
http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/thor-1998

or his recent spider covers -
http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200808/ASM568_cov.jpg

my point being, it doesn't mean a person is CRAZY because they don't happen to love a cover.

[Zac Goyette]

A good chance (Say if it doesn't load) :)


http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/106/1069117/the-avengers-vol-4-20100212013459321.jpg

I like the cover. Iron Man seems a little off to me, but otherwise I think it looks good. So we have Spider-Man, Wolverine, Cap(Bucky), Thor, Iron Man, Spiderwoman, and Hawkeye. Maybe two more spaces on the roster. I would think there will be at least one more female on the team. Black Widow seems like she would be a better fit for Ed's book. I would love to see Brian write Carol some more. Mockingbird maybe?

[Zac Goyette]

same here. there's nothing wrong with it, but there's nothing exceptional about it either (at least relative to other JRJR covers). it's just them standing there. no design, or background, or action, or anything.

compare this cover to the last bunch of avengers #1's -

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/7636_4_001.jpghttp://www.girlsdontreadcomics.com/images/New_Avengers_01.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Mighty_Avengers.jpghttp://prismcomics.org/assets/874.jpg

or compare it to these -
http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/thor-1998

or his recent spider covers -
http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200808/ASM568_cov.jpg

my point being, it doesn't mean a person is CRAZY because they don't happen to love a cover.

I do like this cover better than Liefield's. The only cover that really stands out to me versus Jrjr is Perez's cover. Plus, that cover could be part of a series of covers that link. The image also seems a little cropped.

[frzamonkey]

damn, that's some ugly art.

:mistrust:

[frzamonkey]

I hoped to god Marvel would finally give Avengers to someone else after the whole Secret Invasion, then Dark Reign, and now Siege debacles.

At least it will be one book again.

You keep using that word, debacle. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[bartleby]

You keep using that word, debacle. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I think he knows what the word means. It's his perception of the books that's suspect.

[hamgravy]

Re: The Cover Design.

I hope to be able to talk about this in terms of some basic design principles rather than seem like I'm slagging on JRJr's art. I am only giving this consideration as someone trying to learn the trade and because it's Avengers #1 and is worthy of/ should be able to withstand a critical evaluation. Plus, I may be wrong and would like to hear otherwise.

Everything I've learned so far in regards to comic cover art, poster art, and magazine cover art is specifically about creating a shape on the cover through the use of positive and negative spaces. Irregardless of what is drawn, the image needs to engage with the dimensions of the page. It is that interplay that attracts the eye and draws it in. This design purposely fills the frame but is cluttered with no sense of movement, shape, or space. Any "holes" are overt attempts to free space for specific details that could not be left out (Iron Man's eye, all of Spider-Man, the signature) and not because they made for good design.

Even as an image that intentionally fills the page (ie. no negative space), the details are not arranged in any way that obeys real physical space between the characters or are an intentionally stylized design that breaks that rule for good reason. The renderings here are fine but the layout is SO bad that they had to use the cheap design patch of having colored outlines around the foreground characters to distinguish them from the background. Plus, the rear characters are rushing forward only to impeded by Cap and Wolvie standing flat in front of them. It may have been said earlier, but it certainly looks like several separate 2-dimensional drawings Photoshopped to squeeze into one rectangle.

Finally, in terms of real estate, it is a roughly symmetrical design in which everything is given the same weight and body parts run at perfect tangents to the edge of the page. This compounds on the static boring nature of the layout. The God of Thunder is forced to fly like a board because his arm is neatly tucked into the edge of the page.

It is worse than being the comic equivalent of the "Two Giant Heads" movie poster designs because this one also has a little hole with tiny Spidey dangling from a Spooge Hammer.

There's a lot of I like it/ I don't like talk flung around without actually discussing principles that are in play. It's fine to have personal tastes, but I hope to give some insight into some of the variables an artist must consider in doing their job and laying out a piece like this and how we can use those same qualities to evaluate it as fans.

All said, I may still like it because it features a bunch of colorful characters that I like and they're looking out at me and being cool.

And, that's fine too.

[Fake Pat]

The drawings are fine but the layout is SO bad that they had to use the cheap design patch of having colored outlines around the foreground characters to distinguish them from the background.

This is cluttered with no sense of movement, shape, or space. It may have been said earlier, but it certainly looks like several separate drawings Photoshopped to squeeze into one rectangle.

It is worse than being the comic equivalent of the "Two Giant Heads" movie poster designs because this one also has a little hole with tiny Spidey dangling from a Spooge Hammer.

Yeah, if you think about how they're posed in a 3-dimensional sense, it gets really weird.

[Taxman]

I wonder whether they'll just sorta magic in a new mansion again.

[Arion]

I love JRJR and I don't love that cover.

I'll buy the variant cover even if it is more expensive.

[Maestro]

I'll buy the variant cover even if it is more expensive.

this is Avengers #1. there will be five variants at least

[Alpha Centauri]

Re: The Cover Design.

I hope to be able to talk about this in terms of some basic design principles rather than seem like I'm slagging on JRJr's art. I am only giving this consideration as someone trying to learn the trade and because it's Avengers #1 and is worthy of/ should be able to withstand a critical evaluation. Plus, I may be wrong and would like to hear otherwise.

Everything I've learned so far in regards to comic cover art, poster art, and magazine cover art is specifically about creating a shape on the cover through the use of positive and negative spaces. Irregardless of what is drawn, the image needs to engage with the dimensions of the page. It is that interplay that attracts the eye and draws it in. This design purposely fills the frame but is cluttered with no sense of movement, shape, or space. Any "holes" are overt attempts to free space for specific details that could not be left out (Iron Man's eye, all of Spider-Man, the signature) and not because they made for good design.

Even as an image that intentionally fills the page (ie. no negative space), the details are not arranged in any way that obeys real physical space between the characters or are an intentionally stylized design that breaks that rule for good reason. The renderings here are fine but the layout is SO bad that they had to use the cheap design patch of having colored outlines around the foreground characters to distinguish them from the background. Plus, the rear characters are rushing forward only to impeded by Cap and Wolvie standing flat in front of them. It may have been said earlier, but it certainly looks like several separate 2-dimensional drawings Photoshopped to squeeze into one rectangle.

Finally, in terms of real estate, it is a roughly symmetrical design in which everything is given the same weight and body parts run at perfect tangents to the edge of the page. This compounds on the static boring nature of the layout. The God of Thunder is forced to fly like a board because his arm is neatly tucked into the edge of the page.

It is worse than being the comic equivalent of the "Two Giant Heads" movie poster designs because this one also has a little hole with tiny Spidey dangling from a Spooge Hammer.

There's a lot of I like it/ I don't like talk flung around without actually discussing principles that are in play. It's fine to have personal tastes, but I hope to give some insight into some of the variables an artist must consider in doing their job and laying out a piece like this and how we can use those same qualities to evaluate it as fans.

All said, I may still like it because it features a bunch of colorful characters that I like and they're looking out at me and being cool.

And, that's fine too.

I also thought it was weird that Thor is holding onto the strap that typically appears at the bottom of Mjolnir's handle. Yet, the hammer is actually right by his fist.

[Princesa]

I'm not old school I never bought Avengers before New Avengers...I'm not all that enthused...I like Wolverine but I could do without him...

[Chris McCarver]

I also thought it was weird that Thor is holding onto the strap that typically appears at the bottom of Mjolnir's handle. Yet, the hammer is actually right by his fist.

Just one man's opinion, but I think the implication is that the handle and the part of the strap that connects to it is obscured by Spidey's webbing. At the same time, I agree it's a confusing angle.

[Cth]

It looks like they threw together multiple sketches in Photoshop.

Note the white outlines around Cap/Wolverine (these two were drawn together -- note also the width of said white outline)

Compare it to Thor/Iron Man who also seem similarly drawn together (and the white outline is smaller than Wolverine/Cap's.)

It looks like Thor was moved closer to Iron Man to keep him in frame, obscuring part of Iron Man.

[Ryudo]

A good chance (Say if it doesn't load) :)


http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/106/1069117/the-avengers-vol-4-20100212013459321.jpg

Holy poo, that is amazing.

[Foolish Mortal]

I will say that having everyone pressed together like that, does look a tad odd. Perhaps it would looked better if they were assembled together this way...

http://i47.tinypic.com/29qnnr8.jpg

[BENDIS!]

It looks like they threw together multiple sketches in Photoshop.

Note the white outlines around Cap/Wolverine (these two were drawn together -- note also the width of said white outline)

Compare it to Thor/Iron Man who also seem similarly drawn together (and the white outline is smaller than Wolverine/Cap's.)

It looks like Thor was moved closer to Iron Man to keep him in frame, obscuring part of Iron Man.

youre wrong. i have the full sketch and pencil.

[Simps]

Love Romita, hate the cover, will still buy the book.

[nick maynard]

has bendis ever done a run on a book with a more "classic" artist? cho has a pretty classic style but i wouldn't count him. bagley definitely counts as classic, but his USM was more manga-y than old school marvel-y.

[WhindamPryce]

Re: The Cover Design.

I hope to be able to talk about this in terms of some basic design principles rather than seem like I'm slagging on JRJr's art. I am only giving this consideration as someone trying to learn the trade and because it's Avengers #1 and is worthy of/ should be able to withstand a critical evaluation. Plus, I may be wrong and would like to hear otherwise.

Everything I've learned so far in regards to comic cover art, poster art, and magazine cover art is specifically about creating a shape on the cover through the use of positive and negative spaces. Irregardless of what is drawn, the image needs to engage with the dimensions of the page. It is that interplay that attracts the eye and draws it in. This design purposely fills the frame but is cluttered with no sense of movement, shape, or space. Any "holes" are overt attempts to free space for specific details that could not be left out (Iron Man's eye, all of Spider-Man, the signature) and not because they made for good design.

Even as an image that intentionally fills the page (ie. no negative space), the details are not arranged in any way that obeys real physical space between the characters or are an intentionally stylized design that breaks that rule for good reason. The renderings here are fine but the layout is SO bad that they had to use the cheap design patch of having colored outlines around the foreground characters to distinguish them from the background. Plus, the rear characters are rushing forward only to impeded by Cap and Wolvie standing flat in front of them. It may have been said earlier, but it certainly looks like several separate 2-dimensional drawings Photoshopped to squeeze into one rectangle.

Finally, in terms of real estate, it is a roughly symmetrical design in which everything is given the same weight and body parts run at perfect tangents to the edge of the page. This compounds on the static boring nature of the layout. The God of Thunder is forced to fly like a board because his arm is neatly tucked into the edge of the page.

It is worse than being the comic equivalent of the "Two Giant Heads" movie poster designs because this one also has a little hole with tiny Spidey dangling from a Spooge Hammer.

There's a lot of I like it/ I don't like talk flung around without actually discussing principles that are in play. It's fine to have personal tastes, but I hope to give some insight into some of the variables an artist must consider in doing their job and laying out a piece like this and how we can use those same qualities to evaluate it as fans.

All said, I may still like it because it features a bunch of colorful characters that I like and they're looking out at me and being cool.

And, that's fine too.

I just wanted to point out that you said "irregardless".

That's it. My post has nothing to do with anything else. :)

[sloth_love_chunk]

I think JR jr on Avengers is going to be AWESOME!! The only thing that could make it even more awesome is if Bendis did an arc with the Avengers vs Kang. TIME WARS!!!

[Chris McCarver]

has bendis ever done a run on a book with a more "classic" artist? cho has a pretty classic style but i wouldn't count him. bagley definitely counts as classic, but his USM was more manga-y than old school marvel-y.

Butch Guice on Ultimate Origins?

[rwsmith]

this is Avengers #1. there will be five variants at least

Ooooh. Good point. There will probably be at least a couple of variants. I wonder who is doing them?

[hamgravy]

I just wanted to point out that you said "irregardless".

That's it. My post has nothing to do with anything else. :)

Heh, it's "unregardless" isn't it?

[panco]

Heh, it's "unregardless" isn't it?

;-)
I'd go with a simple "regardless".

[Taxman]

Heh, it's "unregardless" isn't it?regardless

[hamgravy]

To give John the benefit of the doubt, maybe he designed the cover with the "squeeze" in mind.

But here's an example that I think sets up the same design challenge (fill the frame) with even more characters and works on every level.

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/o_secret_wars01_00.jpg

[hamgravy]

regardless

Sorry, I was joking and forgot the ;-)

:surrend:

Cute "Mr.Kickass" avatar Panco!!!

[Taxman]

To give John the benefit of the doubt, maybe he designed the cover with the "squeeze" in mind.

But here's an example that I think sets up the same design challenge (fill the frame) with even more characters and works on every level.

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/o_secret_wars01_00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Custom%20Gifs/Avengers181.png

[hamgravy]

That one's pretty flat and awkwardly staged (standing and sitting characters with no space between them- is Herc punching himself in the face?) in comparison to the layers and movement of the Secret Wars cover.

[Taxman]

That one's pretty flat and awkwardly staged (standing and sitting characters with no space between them- is Herc punching himself in the face?) in comparison to the layers and movement of the Secret Wars cover.Fitting that many guys on a single cover was probably the height of their abilities at the time.

To do that many characters in an actions shot, it took a wrap around cover.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Covers/Avengers1.png

[mario]

:mistrust:

nope, it's okay: people can mislike stuff from JrJr

[mario]

youre wrong. i have the full sketch and pencil.

then that's even worse.

Tell us this isn't the final cover

[hamgravy]

Perez is definitely a master at the daunting task or laying out dozens of figures on a page.

Starting to get off topic, but, if we're talking the sheer volume of packing them in AND making for visually interesting covers, then the godfather has to be Ed Hannigan for his multiple interlocking Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe covers from the 80s that combined to make a poster larger than most New York apartments.

The main characters, and even most of the supporting ones, are in dynamic, character-specific poses.

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/PAWS%20AS%20HANDS/OHOTMU-80sMontage.jpg

[Taxman]

the godfather has to be Ed Hannigan for his multiple interlocking Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe covers from the 80s that combined to make a poster larger than most New York apartments.

The main characters, and even most of the supporting ones, are in dynamic, character-specific poses.

And alphabetical, no less.

[Chris McCarver]

Perez is definitely a master at the daunting task or laying out dozens of figures on a page.

Starting to get off topic, but, if we're talking the sheer volume of packing them in AND making for visually interesting covers, then the godfather has to be Ed Hannigan for his multiple interlocking Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe covers from the 80s that combined to make a poster larger than most New York apartments.

The main characters, and even most of the supporting ones, are in dynamic, character-specific poses.

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/PAWS%20AS%20HANDS/OHOTMU-80sMontage.jpg

I love the covers he did of the Book of the Dead issues that made an open-mouthed skull when you put them together.

[hamgravy]

I love the covers he did of the Book of the Dead issues that made an open-mouthed skull when you put them together.

CRAP! I never knew that!

Thanks man.

[Mimick]

Whine, whine, whine. JrJR could make a single page of Peter eating a ham sandwich look dynamic. And you guys are whining about a cover? Dislike it all you want. JrJR is up there with the likes of Kirby, Perez, and Byrne. And I can't wait until Avengers rolls out.

[Fake Pat]

Whine, whine, whine. JrJR could make a single page of Peter eating a ham sandwich look dynamic. And you guys are whining about a cover? Dislike it all you want. JrJR is up there with the likes of Kirby, Perez, and Byrne. And I can't wait until Avengers rolls out.

Calling the discussion that's been happening here "whining" is pretty ridiculous.

[nick maynard]

JrJR could make a single page of Peter eating a ham sandwich look dynamic. JrJR is up there with the likes of Kirby, Perez, and Byrne. And I can't wait until Avengers rolls out.
agree.

Whine, whine, whine. And you guys are whining about a cover? Dislike it all you want.
disagree.

[edwardmblake]

Love Romita, hate the cover, will still buy the book.

I agree with this statement. JR Jr style has changed since is early X-Men days. Those were some great runs.

[hamgravy]

Whine, whine, whine. JrJR could make a single page of Peter eating a ham sandwich look dynamic. And you guys are whining about a cover? Dislike it all you want. JrJR is up there with the likes of Kirby, Perez, and Byrne. And I can't wait until Avengers rolls out.

Definitely, to be fair, his recent runs on Amazing Spider-Man are some of the best of his career.

That after all of these years he can continue to create new and dynamic compositions (I'm thinking in particular about Peter's aerial combat with Menace) is nothing short of the work of a guy who is a master at his craft. His Spidey is also even more limber and powerful than his initial run in the 80s or the one with JMS.

This does not mean that there isn't the opportunity to evaluate a single piece of art on its qualities, both it's merits and flaws, especially when it is as significant as the cover to a new Avengers #1.

Side note - love how the cover to New Avengers #1 has reached iconic status. Although it deliberately borrows the Dark Knight lightning bolt, I think it was the silhouettes and even the sky color that signaled the start of a new era.

[Alpha Centauri]

Whine, whine, whine. JrJR could make a single page of Peter eating a ham sandwich look dynamic. And you guys are whining about a cover? Dislike it all you want. JrJR is up there with the likes of Kirby, Perez, and Byrne. And I can't wait until Avengers rolls out.

Who's the bigger whiner; the person saying they dislike the cover for good reason, or the people whining about people disliking it?

That's the only whining going on.

Don't sit there telling us we can "Dislike it all (We) want.". We're aware of our freedom to dislike whatever art we choose, thanks.

[totalsellout]

the cover isn't jrjr's best piece of artwork, but people calling it fugly and terrible seems a bit extreme. each character drawing seperately looks great, and really there is plenty of negative space for this type of cover. i think the thing throwing it off are the angles thor and iron-man are flying in, they would soon run into each other, and that gives the entire drawing a too cramped feel. still, a decent cover and nothing to get pitchforks over, but also not something above critique.

[Xdestron]

On the cover: Cap, Wolverine, and Spidey look OK. Thor and Iron Man look retarded.


On the book: Hopefully Bendis remembers how to write a team book without character's personalities bleeding into one another.


On Avengers: Please keep Ronin out of future Avengers books forever. I thank creation he is finally gone, and I pray that it stays that way. Terrible, horrible, waste of 2 years for Hawkeye.

[Taxman]

On the cover: Cap, Wolverine, and Spidey look OK. Thor and Iron Man look retarded.Iron Man may be retarded. ;)

[Maestro]

you can barely see Spider-Man in the cover! he is the last person you notice there.

[Mimick]

Who's the bigger whiner; the person saying they dislike the cover for good reason, or the people whining about people disliking it?

That's the only whining going on.

Don't sit there telling us we can "Dislike it all (We) want.". We're aware of our freedom to dislike whatever art we choose, thanks.

Calling the cover fugly, terrible, and the like is insulting to a man who has had three decades in the business and put his own mark on many characters. Expecting him to please everyone, but himself is outrageous. In my own opinion, his cover is awesome, and a testment to how much his style has changed.

I like his sketchier style. It fits the style and tonality of the Avengers as written by Bendis.

[bartleby]

Calling the cover fugly, terrible, and the like is insulting to a man who has had three decades in the business and put his own mark on many characters.

I don't see why that means that everybody has to like everything he does or keep quiet if they don't like something. No one is saying that JrJr should quit comics and never show his face around conventions again.

[Mimick]

I don't see why that means that everybody has to like everything he does or keep quiet if they don't like something. No one is saying that JrJr should quit comics and never show his face around conventions again.

No, but there's no need for getting so insulting.

[Taxman]

No, but there's no need for getting so insulting.Welcome to the internet.

[SidekicksRevenge]

I do think that Iron Man and Thor look kind of clunky when compared against the Wolverine and Cap below them, but not to the degree that people seem to be losing their shit over this cover.

[Fake Pat]

Calling the cover fugly, terrible, and the like is insulting to a man who has had three decades in the business and put his own mark on many characters. Expecting him to please everyone, but himself is outrageous. In my own opinion, his cover is awesome, and a testment to how much his style has changed.

I like his sketchier style. It fits the style and tonality of the Avengers as written by Bendis.

Criticizing a piece of work isn't insulting a person.

[Xdestron]

JRJR can never be questioned in my mind because of all his amazing past work. Also his current Spider-Man is top 3 best ever IMO.

Granted his style doing everybody else has changed. I liked his old Iron Man with the Mega Man boots. I haven't seen him draw a good Iron Man in years.

[hamgravy]

JRJR can never be questioned in my mind because of all his amazing past work. Also his current Spider-Man is top 3 best ever IMO.

Granted his style doing everybody else has changed. I liked his old Iron Man with the Mega Man boots. I haven't seen him draw a good Iron Man in years.

"Never be questioned" due to one's past success is a disservice to an artist and his audience.

Just ask George Lucas.

Actually, don't, because he won't be questioned.

[Gene Reginato]

No, but there's no need for getting so insulting.

I didn't say JR Jr. was fugly, just this cover. Unless he is still wearing that mullet.:eek:

[Foolish Mortal]

I eagerly await more news about #1 because I am sick and tired of reading posts about the damn cover. :lol:

[IPeacock]

I eagerly await more news about #1 because I am sick and tired of reading posts about the damn cover. :lol:
Yeah, I'm curious as to what's on the 22 pages after the cover. This is going to be great. I bet Bendis comes out swinging with the first storyline. I also can't wait to see him make Thor banter. I think Thor and Spiderman will get the funniest exchanges.

[gooch]

Yeah, I'm curious as to what's on the 22 pages after the cover. This is going to be great. I bet Bendis comes out swinging with the first storyline. I also can't wait to see him make Thor banter. I think Thor and Spiderman will get the funniest exchanges.

From Marvel.com...

AVENGERS # 1
The Story: THE HEROIC AGE IS HERE! There came a day! A day unlike any other...where two of Marvel's top creators teamed up for the very first time to create a bombastic new monthly Marvel comic that not only ushers in the Heroic Age of Marvel Comics but unleashes onto the world the most blockbuster Avengers team ever! Who will answer the call? And will they assemble just in time...because Kang the Conqueror is here from the future. And wait till you find out why…! Bonus back up feature: the oral history of the Avengers, part one. A brand new illustrated look at the Avengers in a way you have never seen before by series writer Brian Michael Bendis. Rated T …$3.99

In Stores: May 5, 2010


Also, Greg Land variant...


http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/74939comic_storystory_full-5828079..jpg

[Foolish Mortal]

From Marvel.com...

Also, Greg Land variant...

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/74939comic_storystory_full-5828079..jpg
HOORAY! Now we have a new cover to bitch about for 20 pages! :D

[bartleby]

A brand new illustrated look at the Avengers in a way you have never seen before by series writer Brian Michael Bendis.

I'm assuming that I'm reading that wrong and Bendis isn't actually going to be illustrating this back-up feature.

[bartleby]

HOORAY! Now we have a new cover to bitch about for 20 pages! :D

And with Greg Land drawing it, you know people are going to.

[Howlett]

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/74939comic_storystory_full-5828079..jpg

That's actually a pretty damn good cover. Wolverine doesn't look great, but I love the rest.

[Taxman]

I am sure Kang is there to bring in an in tact Avengers Mansion from an alternate time line. Hopefully, it is not the one from the Alias series. That Gothic look just is just not a good fit for the Avengers.

[bartleby]

HOORAY! Now we have a new cover to bitch about for 20 pages! :D


Wolverine doesn't look great.

It's starting already!


:blah:

:lol:

[Princesa]

The art is good, I like it better than the other cover.

[SidekicksRevenge]

One of Land's better efforts, actually. I'm not a fan, so the praise might be hollow, but it's a pretty alright cover.

[tonym]

Interesting how it still shows those 5 characters on the variant. I wonder if these guys will be the core Avengers team with rotating guests.

Greg Land Bitching:
Thor=Collosus pose from that football game during Fraction's run.
Wolverine=Same freaking head he always uses
Spider-man=WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIS FINGERS???

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Kang! :rock:

[Taxman]

Interesting how it still shows those 5 characters on the variant. I wonder if these guys will be the core Avengers team with rotating guests.In the beginning, it was about having Spider-Man and Wolverine on the same cover. Now Iron Man is big too. If things break right for them, the other two guys will be big a year into this thing as well.

[Princesa]

Related somewhat: I read on one of these threads on this board about a Young Avengers title coming out, is that true?:eek:

[gooch]

Related somewhat: I read on one of these threads on this board about a Young Avengers title coming out, is that true?:eek:

Yes, there's an 8-part mini from Heinberg and Cheung called "A Childrens Crusade" that is supposed to start in July or August.

[Princesa]

Yes, there's an 8-part mini from Heinberg and Cheung called "A Childrens Crusade" that is supposed to start in July or August.

Thanks:eek:

[Ryudo]

http://www.diyhappy.com/wp-content/images/Lightbox.jpg

[GrantCalibre]

Yes, there's an 8-part mini from Heinberg and Cheung called "A Childrens Crusade" that is supposed to start in July or August.

Is this actually, really, truly happening? Because the only thing I've heard about it was the initial announcement (which basically was limited to exactly the information you just posted). I haven't heard any updates or solicits or teases yet, which worries me.

Anyway, related to the Avengers#1 cover, Iron Man's face is way too wide. What's going on there? :-?

[IPeacock]

Interesting how it still shows those 5 characters on the variant. I wonder if these guys will be the core Avengers team with rotating guests.

Greg Land Bitching:
Thor=Collosus pose from that football game during Fraction's run.
Wolverine=Same freaking head he always uses
Spider-man=WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIS FINGERS???


And Captain America is now played by Cyclops. I like Land's art, but he's a bit much with this stuff.

[tonym]

In the beginning, it was about having Spider-Man and Wolverine on the same cover. Now Iron Man is big too. If things break right for them, the other two guys will be big a year into this thing as well.

One could only hope that Marvel could use those two newbies and make a film franchise out of at least one of them.

[DC Camel]

And Captain America is now played by Cyclops. I like Land's art, but he's a bit much with this stuff.

So does that mean Spidey's in a nightcrawler pose?

[PhoenixFactor]

I like the Land cover better than the Romita one. But thats just me.

[Heroic Age Moe]

Also, Greg Land variant...


http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/74939comic_storystory_full-5828079..jpg


Needs more porn face. :)

[SpecialK]

Needs more porn face. :)

That is Wolverine's porn face.

[Heroic Age Moe]

That is Wolverine's porn face.

There is some...thrust to that pose. :scared:

[SidekicksRevenge]

That is Wolverine's porn face.

I can see it. If Iron Man was standing on the other side of Wolvie...

[Maestro]

I wonder which piece of art that Spider-Man came from. I swear his hands are not touching the wall

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201005/17_AVENGERS_1_HEROIC_AGE_VARIANT_.jpg

[IPeacock]

So does that mean Spidey's in a nightcrawler pose?

Its the face more than the pose. That's totally cyclops.
I actually wish Land would have just drawn all of the Marvel Zombies stuff. All that death covers up the tracing and you could appriciate his art more. I loved how he drew the zombie FF and I dont care how he drew it.

But gather up a big chunk of his work and read it all over a weekend and you will see so many repeated drawings and poses. That being said, though, I still like his art.

You may be right about it being a Nightcrawler pose, because Spiderman is not sticking to that wall either

[TheKraken]

Take the painting from the announcement of Iron Man's new suit... grab a movie Iron Man head from somewhere... instant cover!

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/74939comic_storystory_full-5828079..jpg

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/resized/bbc225be4697b6dd3fda2636e86ffb87.jpg

That aside, the only news that could make this series look even more exciting would be Kang, so I'm really ready for it now. :)

[The Human Target]

That Gorilla-Man guy is on an awful lot of promo material for the Heroic Age.

[Maestro]

Take the painting from the announcement of Iron Man's new suit... grab a movie Iron Man head from somewhere... instant cover!

oh wow. even though Iron Man's suit is new and hasn't been displayed much, I KNEW it had to come from somewhere. geez.... of all the great artists Marvel has that could have drawn a cover, they pick Greg Land???

I would have liked John Romita SR to draw a cover. He would be a good fit for the tone of the new book. Even at 80, he still has it:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1246310604.jpg

[Fake Pat]

Take the painting from the announcement of Iron Man's new suit... grab a movie Iron Man head from somewhere... instant cover!

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/74939comic_storystory_full-5828079..jpg

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/resized/bbc225be4697b6dd3fda2636e86ffb87.jpg

That aside, the only news that could make this series look even more exciting would be Kang, so I'm really ready for it now. :)

Wow, that's sad.

[Foolish Mortal]

That Gorilla-Man guy is on an awful lot of promo material for the Heroic Age.
Yes, because there's going to be a new Agents of Atlas series. They're pushing it hard.

[Cth]

Take the painting from the announcement of Iron Man's new suit... grab a movie Iron Man head from somewhere... instant cover!

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/74939comic_storystory_full-5828079..jpg

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/resized/bbc225be4697b6dd3fda2636e86ffb87.jpg

That aside, the only news that could make this series look even more exciting would be Kang, so I'm really ready for it now. :)

YES! FINALLY!

Confirmation that Iron Man's new suit has toe-shortening technology! No longer will Tony have to stub his toe during a weekend bender! POW! ZOWIE! KA-BLAAAAM!

:)

EDIT: No need to grab a movie head.. take the new costume head and flip it horizontally :) It works.

[The Human Target]

Yes, because there's going to be a new Agents of Atlas series. They're pushing it hard.

Ahhhh cool.

I was wondering.

[allanpat]

And Captain America is now played by Cyclops. I like Land's art, but he's a bit much with this stuff.


Sure looks like it


So does that mean Spidey's in a nightcrawler pose?

Yup

http://imaginationtocreation.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/nightcrawler1.jpg

Next up - Iron Man as Daken

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18863/1033788-24922new_storyimage0089015_full_super.jpg

And the coup de grâce, the Thor pose is not only the one he used for Sabretooth here...

http://www.herorealm.com/images/Previews/JAN_08/newexiles1.JPG

as well as Wolverine here...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/PatLoika/Stuff/wolverine-punisher5.jpg

it's also the same one he used THREE times on the infamous Uncanny X-Men #500 cover (Cyclops, Sunspot, Warpath)

http://www.earth-2.net/images/news/2008/05/2008-05-16/x-men01.jpg

[Kenobi Fei-Hung]

Thor, Cap and Iron Man vs. Kang. Holy Shit, I'm in Heaven.

[Sarcoidosis]

*snip*
Some of these seem like a bit of a stretch...

[leafinsectman]

Besides not enough boobies (I hope there's more females than just Spider-Woman) I fucking love that lineup. Brubaker Avengers seems like its gonna be good also.

[RoShambo]

Sure looks like it



Yup

http://imaginationtocreation.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/nightcrawler1.jpg

Next up - Iron Man as Daken

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18863/1033788-24922new_storyimage0089015_full_super.jpg

And the coup de grâce, the Thor pose is not only the one he used for Sabretooth here...

http://www.herorealm.com/images/Previews/JAN_08/newexiles1.JPG

as well as Wolverine here...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/PatLoika/Stuff/wolverine-punisher5.jpg

it's also the same one he used THREE times on the infamous Uncanny X-Men #500 cover (Cyclops, Sunspot, Warpath)

http://www.earth-2.net/images/news/2008/05/2008-05-16/x-men01.jpg

Also, isn't the Thor/Wolverine/Sabretooth/Colossus pretty much just Triple H?
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Triple%20H-7.JPG
http://photos-465.friendster.com/e1/photos/56/45/52925465/1_665905128l.jpg

[rwsmith]

Besides not enough boobies (I hope there's more females than just Spider-Woman) I fucking love that lineup. Brubaker Avengers seems like its gonna be good also.

Same here. I love this line-up!

But IMO they could kill two birds with one stone by adding She-Hulk to the team. A Hulk type character and another set of boobies...er, female character. Since this team is kind of like Marvel's A-list Avengers squad, they definitely need a Hulk representative.

[hamgravy]

Same here. I love this line-up!

But IMO they could kill two birds with one stone by adding She-Hulk to the team. A Hulk type character and another set of boobies...er, female character. Since this team is kind of like Marvel's A-list Avengers squad, they definitely need a Hulk representative.

I support this 100% - plus she'll bring a lighter tone and could offer some good banter with Spidey.

Marvel seems to want to highlight their female characters and putting Jen on a prominent book seems like a win move to me.

I would also be into seeing Songbird or Photon on the team (more out of a fan's sense that they've "earned" it) but they don't have the same marquee quality.

[jason hissong]

Does anyone think Triple H juices?

Or is that natural?

[hamgravy]

Does anyone think Triple H juices?

Or is that natural?

If by "juices" you mean "anal leakage," yes and it is natural.

TV told me so.

[Gordon Chumway]

There are 70 pages to this thread and I'm not going to read them all but I'm wondering... has it been talked about that these covers are red herring, and that these five heros are not the team.

Don't get me wrong, I want them to be the team, I am in love with this team, I want to take it behind the high school and get it pregnant.

I just don't want to be excited about this and fall pray to one of Bendis' media fakeouts. He always gets me, and I'm starting to think he's directing these fake outs right at me. Clearly he is jealous because I write/play rock drums like a badass.

[Taxman]

There are 70 pages to this thread and I'm not going to read them all but I'm wondering... has it been talked about that these covers are red herring, and that these five heros are not the team.On what level would it make sense for a company to put this much effort into promotion and marketing as some sort of deception?

[allanpat]

There are 70 pages to this thread and I'm not going to read them all but I'm wondering... has it been talked about that these covers are red herring, and that these five heros are not the team.



It's definitely not the complete team - The teasers that have been put out also include Spider-Woman & Hawkeye. I'm guessing there will also be at least one more female to break up the sausage fest. Probably Black Widow since she's going to be getting high profile exposure in Iron Man 2.

[Gordon Chumway]

On what level would it make sense for a company to put this much effort into promotion and marketing as some sort of deception?

Keeping it a surprise, so the actual reveal has more pizzaz and will sell more copies. Getting two artists to make one fake cover each isn't that much effort.

Marvel used a similar tactic with Colossus' return in Astonishing X-men.

edit - (I can't believe I just used the word 'pizzaz' in a thread)

[Cth]

So, you're saying that Iron Man, Cap, and Thor on the team is not going to happen?

Because that's what you're suggesting.

The backlash from such a reveal would ruin any surprise by keeping identities hidden.

[Gordon Chumway]

So, you're saying that Iron Man, Cap, and Thor on the team is not going to happen?

Because that's what you're suggesting.

The backlash from such a reveal would ruin any surprise by keeping identities hidden.


I was suggesting more that Spidey and Wolverine are the red herrings, those two being on the team do piss people off the most. But really I was just asking if it had been brought up.

I don't really think that this is what is going on, I was just speculating.

EDIT - Bendis is known for those fake outs too. It's not like it's unprecedented.

[Cth]

S'cool.. just wanted you to clarify.

I don't think Spidey is so much an issue.. Wolverine, I could see people taking issue with.

But yeah, it's not a fake out. He has done stuff in the past, but there's too much required for it to be the case in this scenario.

[SidekicksRevenge]

I was suggesting more that Spidey and Wolverine are the red herrings, those two being on the team do piss people off the most.

If you leave the internet and ask regular comic fan, that dude will be waaay more pissed about Logan and Pete missing the team than they would about any of the other three. That guy also never touched an Avengers book until he saw Spidey/Wolvie on the cover.

[Gordon Chumway]

S'cool.. just wanted you to clarify.

I don't think Spidey is so much an issue.. Wolverine, I could see people taking issue with.

But yeah, it's not a fake out. He has done stuff in the past, but there's too much required for it to be the case in this scenario.

I would like to point out once again that this team excites me... a lot.

[Taxman]

Keeping it a surprise, so the actual reveal has more pizzaz and will sell more copies. Getting two artists to make one fake cover each isn't that much effort.

Marvel used a similar tactic with Colossus' return in Astonishing X-men.

edit - (I can't believe I just used the word 'pizzaz' in a thread)A false solicit to hide the true outcome is one thing. A blitz of daily hyping as a diversion would leave them looks very ridiculous.

[Elven Johnny]

If you leave the internet and ask regular comic fan, that dude will be waaay more pissed about Logan and Pete missing the team than they would about any of the other three. That guy also never touched an Avengers book until he saw Spidey/Wolvie on the cover.

But . . . but, why would I ever want to leave the internet? :-?

[Princesa]

On what level would it make sense for a company to put this much effort into promotion and marketing as some sort of deception?


It wouldn't make any sense at all to me because when it is all said and done it's just a damn comic book not State secrets:blah: I blame Metzler for this foolishness...that and everybody randomly leaking secret ID's by calling each other their real names in public.

[Matthew Brown]

I wonder if Bendis is using Pym's Infinite Mansion, or if it's being saved for an unannounced Slott book. Would be a shame to dump it. Or Pym, really.

[blinkless]

I wonder if Bendis is using Pym's Infinite Mansion, or if it's being saved for an unannounced Slott book. Would be a shame to dump it. Or Pym, really.

I'm telling you they need a Council of Pyms just like the Reeds. It would be crazy fun! They could operate out of the Infinite Mansion.

[Cth]

I'm telling you they need a Council of Pyms just like the Reeds. It would be crazy fun! They could operate out of the Infinite Mansion.

Greaaaaaaat.

Only if said Council was essentially a Fight Club.

Pym had a great showing in this week's Inc. Hulk, but I can't wait until they drop the arrogance angle. So much for Wasp dying :lol:

[Taxman]

I'm telling you they need a Council of Pyms just like the Reeds. It would be crazy fun! They could operate out of the Infinite Mansion.But it could be just one Pym. They could give him Dissociative Identity Disorder, and he could just play dress-up.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/HenryPym-AntMan-Kirby2.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/F7_m_giant_man.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/F7_m03_goliath.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/HenryPym-Yellowjacket-Perez.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/HenryPym-DrPym-Byrne.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/Goliath%202%20BRM.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Micro%20Heroes/HenryPym-Wasp01.gif

[Criden]

But it could be just one Pym. They could give him Dissociative Identity Disorder, and he could just play dress-up.

One of my favorite parts of Avengers Forever was

that both Giant Man and Yellowjacket were members of the team.

[hamgravy]

One of my favorite parts of Avengers Forever was

that both Giant Man and Yellowjacket were members of the team.

And the worst Hawkeye costume ever (no shirt!).

I couldn't look directly at Clint whenever he appeared on panel.

[Marcdachamp]

And the worst Hawkeye costume ever (no shirt!).

I couldn't look directly at Clint whenever he appeared on panel.

Too sexy?


But it could be just one Pym. They could give him Dissociative Identity Disorder, and he could just play dress-up.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/HenryPym-AntMan-Kirby2.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/F7_m_giant_man.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/F7_m03_goliath.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/HenryPym-Yellowjacket-Perez.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/HenryPym-DrPym-Byrne.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hankpym/Goliath%202%20BRM.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Micro%20Heroes/HenryPym-Wasp01.gif


So... it would be like Fight Club. :lol:

[KBania]

Same here. I love this line-up!

But IMO they could kill two birds with one stone by adding She-Hulk to the team. A Hulk type character and another set of boobies...er, female character. Since this team is kind of like Marvel's A-list Avengers squad, they definitely need a Hulk representative.

Couldn't agree more. It'd be a nice blend of "classic" and "new" avengers. With her book cancelled I'd be surprised if she didn't appear in an Avengers lineup.

[BENDIS!]

Bendis' Assembles his Avengers http://bit.ly/cLNMxb

[Foolish Mortal]

Bendis' Assembles his Avengers http://bit.ly/cLNMxb
Ha! So I guess this means Cage will be on the team. ;)

[bartleby]

Ha! So I guess this means Cage will be on the team. ;)

It said he'll be in the book, but it doesn't say he'll be on the team.

I could mean that Jessica Jones will be on the team.

[jamestolliver]

Huh. So Bendis is going to do a Kang story?

[Foolish Mortal]

It said he'll be in the book, but it doesn't say he'll be on the team.

I could mean that Jessica Jones will be on the team.

http://i50.tinypic.com/mmuf77.gif

:mad:

[ultimate_lost87]

I'm interested to see if this Kang story will affect the Young Avengers at all. Young Kang was crucial to the formation of the Young Avengers, and to my knowledge, he hasn't been seen since.

Also, can anyone suggest a good Avengers/Kang trade that I could read? My only knowledge of the character comes from the first Young Avengers storyline.

[SpecialK]

I'm interested to see if this Kang story will affect the Young Avengers at all. Young Kang was crucial to the formation of the Young Avengers, and to my knowledge, he hasn't been seen since.

Also, can anyone suggest a good Avengers/Kang trade that I could read? My only knowledge of the character comes from the first Young Avengers storyline.

Kang made an appearance in a somewhat recent issue of Guardians of the Galaxy, if I remember correctly. But you never know how these things work with time travel, unless you actually want to think about it...

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Also, can anyone suggest a good Avengers/Kang trade that I could read? My only knowledge of the character comes from the first Young Avengers storyline.

Avengers Forever.

[leafinsectman]

Bendis' Assembles his Avengers http://bit.ly/cLNMxb

I thought this was funny when I clicked the twitter link.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4104/assgg.jpg

[WhindamPryce]

Has it been mentioned anywhere how many issues JRjr is doing?

I know that there are two schools of thought to this. 1) the book can be a showcase for the best of the best (like NA was), or 2) we can have a consistent run (like Yu's stint).

I'm cool with either one. So just wondering...

[PhoenixFactor]

I want Immonen back! Sounds great though. I really would like to see Jessica Jones being a superhero again.

[bartleby]

Bold prediction: Carol Danvers dies, and Jessica Jones returns to being a superhero wearing the Ms. Marvel costume (or some variation of it).

[NickT]

Bold prediction: Carol Danvers dies, and Jessica Jones returns to being a superhero wearing the Ms. Marvel costume (or some variation of it).
I dread to imagine the internet reaction.

[Taxman]

Bendis' Assembles his Avengers The last six years were just progress.


Avengers Forever (http://www.amazon.com/Avengers-Legends-Vol-Forever/dp/0785107568/).
Also Kang Dynasty (http://www.amazon.com/Avengers-Kang-Dynasty-Kurt-Busiek/dp/0785109587/), which cannot be easily had so look for Avengers Assemble OHC Vol. V (http://www.amazon.com/Avengers-Assemble-Vol-Kurt-Busiek/dp/0785123482/).

The first half of the Time and Time Again (http://www.amazon.com/Avengers-Kang-Time-Again/dp/0785118209) trade was one of my favorite 60's era Avengers stories.

[Princesa]

I can't see Ironman and Thor being regular regular members... I see five-six core and 4-5 semi-regulars.

[Princesa]

Bold prediction: Carol Danvers dies, and Jessica Jones returns to being a superhero wearing the Ms. Marvel costume (or some variation of it).

I hope that doesn't happen I enjoy Carol and the Jessicas friendship.

[Taxman]

I can't see Ironman and Thor being regular regular members... because . . .

[Princesa]

because . . .

I don't know the New Avengers have a tight clique quality to them for instance. Thor especially feels like a 'call me if it's epic' type.

[Taxman]

I don't know the New Avengers have a tight clique quality to them for instance. Thor especially feels like a 'call me if it's epic' type.

This ain't the "New Avengers". The Avengers have often been 'epic'. This may be Bendis' turn at it.

[Andrew]

Bold prediction: Carol Danvers dies, and Jessica Jones returns to being a superhero wearing the Ms. Marvel costume (or some variation of it).

I could see that one being right on the mark.

[TheKraken]

I can't see Ironman and Thor being regular regular members... I see five-six core and 4-5 semi-regulars.


I don't know the New Avengers have a tight clique quality to them for instance. Thor especially feels like a 'call me if it's epic' type.

The Iron Man who was a regular member from the inception of the New Avengers until Civil War?

[Taxman]

The Iron Man who was a regular member from the inception of the New Avengers until Civil War?That was before they went and got all cliquey on him.

Thor, you don't wand because you can;t have two strong guys on the same team.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/comic%20book%20images/Hammer.png

[Spidey616]

Kang! :rock:

[PhoenixFactor]

I hope that doesn't happen I enjoy Carol and the Jessicas friendship.

I agree. I really would like to see this played up a bit more too. I don't see them killing Carol. First, they just spent the last 3.5 years or so building her up and in the process "killed her" not even a year ago. I see Carol being a part of a team either Bendis's or Brubakers. I would perfer Bendis because I like the way he handles her and want to see her interact with both jessicas.

[Princesa]

This ain't the "New Avengers". The Avengers have often been 'epic'. This may be Bendis' turn at it.

Actually the New Avengers is the book that leads off to this one. Be that as it may I get to like what I like.:no:

[Princesa]

The Iron Man who was a regular member from the inception of the New Avengers until Civil War?

That's true. And it worked it.

[Andrew]

The Avengers have often been 'epic'.

And no one cared about them back then.

Which is why I don't think that Bendis will completely abandon the New Avengers formula. The confirmed team members alone, most of which are/were New Avengers, already suggests it.

[Princesa]

And no one cared about them back then.

Which is why I don't think that Bendis will completely abandon the New Avengers formula. The confirmed team members alone, most of which are/were New Avengers, already suggests it.


That was what I was trying to say, thank you for putting it better:cool: