AVENGERS #1 is in stores now! (Spoilers)

[Foolish Mortal]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee121/TheLastHorseman/bartonrecolor2.jpg

:no:

[Taxman]

Not hatin' on Coipel, but I don't get what people see in that House of M Hawkeye costume. The classic one is cheesy in a 60s kinda way, I readily admit, but the House of M Hawkeye is all spare parts. He looks like a 90s Image character.Everyone know that this is the best Hawkeye costume.

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/05815547774.103.GIF

[Marcdachamp]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/1867_4_0323.jpg

I always liked this one.

[Chris McCarver]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/1867_4_0323.jpg

I always liked this one.

Wow. Early Jimmy Cheung.

Kinda nifty looking at that below the Heroic Age pinup and seeing the evolution.

[AndrewG]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee121/TheLastHorseman/bartonrecolor2.jpg

:)

[Marcdachamp]

Wow. Early Jimmy Cheung.

Kinda nifty looking at that below the Heroic Age pinup and seeing the evolution.

I was actually looking for a Joe MAD image of that costume, but I couldn't pass up posting this.

I really think it's the best costume Clint has had. It's still superhero-y, but it's a little more practical and a lot less old school.

[Andrew]

A much better pic of House of M Hawkeye:

http://returntocomics.typepad.com/photos/misc/hawkeye2.gif

[Alpha Centauri]

I'm glad Hawkeye is back. Well, that Clint is back as Hawkeye.

I'm not sold on the art yet. The Iron Man one looked awesome, but Hawkeye...not so much. I just think it looks too odd, and I don't know if anyone has noticed, but his right leg looks abnormally long.

[Mimick]

JrJR rules man. Don't diss the Romita Junior.

[James W]

That's basic science, and who amongst you can argue with science?

I do really like the archer's chest-brace thing the House of M Hawkeye has, which Cheung sort of(?) gives him in the promo.

[hamgravy]

New Avengers Preview - This one for Ares!

Contains spoilers...


http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/avengerares.jpg

[Ryudo]

Had a thought...



How do we know that's Clint?

[TheKraken]

I'm glad Hawkeye is back. Well, that Clint is back as Hawkeye.

I'm not sold on the art yet. The Iron Man one looked awesome, but Hawkeye...not so much. I just think it looks too odd, and I don't know if anyone has noticed, but his right leg looks abnormally long.

No one's noticed because it doesn't look abnormally long at all.

[Taxman]

Had a thought...Do worry, it will pass soon . . .

[Alpha Centauri]

No one's noticed because it doesn't look abnormally long at all.

You honestly do not think his right leg looks long and that his knee looks weirdly bent?

[TheKraken]

You honestly do not think his right leg looks long and that his knee looks weirdly bent?

The proportions of the legs are the same. I dunno what to tell you. If one leg is too long, they both are. It's perspective. :)

[HOOKS]

May or may not be AVENGERS art, but here is some beautiful Hitch-y art:

http://i.livescience.com/images/Enter_The_HeroicAge_02.jpg

[Ryudo]

Huh... so more Gorilla Man, eh? :)

[SpecialK]

Huh... so more Gorilla Man, eh? :)

Gorilla Man is the new Sentry. He will be shoved down your throats.

...not that I mind the Sentry, but that's what people complain about.

[hamgravy]

Gorilla Man is the new Sentry. He will be shoved down your throats.

...not that I mind the Sentry, but that's what people complain about.

Hair throat.

[Brother Power the Gong]

Don't know that much about Gorilla Man, but primates with guns are usually OK by me.

[Matthew Brown]

I don't know about taking Ken Hale away from Agents of Atlas... Was hoping that book would get a damn relaunch in the Heroic Age.

[NickT]

New Avengers Preview - This one for Ares!

Contains spoilers...


http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/avengerares.jpg
Thanks for the fucking obvious spoiler.

[nick maynard]

Thanks for the fucking obvious spoiler.
he said there was spoilers though.

[NickT]

he said there was spoilers though.
The spoiler is outside of the tags. It was instantly obvious what would be behind the tag because he put that in there.

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Thanks for the fucking obvious spoiler.

You mean the one that he had marked "Contains spoilers..." and then was hidden in a spoilers tag? :mistrust:

[NickT]

You mean the one that he had marked "Contains spoilers..." and then was hidden in a spoilers tag? :mistrust:
Like I said, "The spoiler is outside of the tags. It was instantly obvious what would be behind the tag because he put that in there."

[panco]

The spoiler is outside of the tags. It was instantly obvious what would be behind the tag because he put that in there.

Ok the sole fact that he wrote that name isn't a spoiler in itself.

[hamgravy]

Like I said, "The spoiler is outside of the tags. It was instantly obvious what would be behind the tag because he put that in there."

I'm not even sure I understand what that means. What part did I spoil for you?

I'm not making any friends today.

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Like I said, "The spoiler is outside of the tags. It was instantly obvious what would be behind the tag because he put that in there."

What are you talking about? The only way you could know what was in that tag is if you already knew that that had happened.

[NickT]

Ok the sole fact that he wrote that name isn't a spoiler in itself.
What, when we knew that something was going to happen in the issue? I now know what the event is, because of him. He could have out "Another, Siege #2 spoilers", but instead he put information outside of the tag, making him a bit of an inconsiderate prick really.

[panco]

I'm not even sure I understand what that means. What part did I spoil for you?

I'm not making any friends today.

You deserved it you fancy Loeb/Manga hater !

[NickT]

What are you talking about? The only way you could know what was in that tag is if you already knew that that had happened.




COVER BY: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?cover_art=Olivier%20Coipel)
WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis (http://marvel.com/catalog/?writer=Brian%20Michael%20Bendis)
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?artist=Olivier%20Coipel)
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LETTERED BY: VC - Chris Eliopoulos (http://marvel.com/catalog/?letterer=VC%20-%20Chris%20Eliopoulos)

THE STORY:
The blockbuster Marvel event of the year goes full-blown carnage and madness as the biggest and most brutal battle in Marvel’s history brings together heroes from all sides. Lines have been drawn, and an unlikely hero will save one Avenger, but they can’t save them all. The Siege has begun and it claims its first victim as AN AVENGER WILL DIE!! Cardstock Cover/Rated T …$3.99
Hmm, wonder what happens then.

[Brother Power the Gong]

COVER BY: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?cover_art=Olivier%20Coipel)
WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis (http://marvel.com/catalog/?writer=Brian%20Michael%20Bendis)
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?artist=Olivier%20Coipel)
INKS: Array (http://marvel.com/catalog/?inker=Array)
COLORED BY: Laura Martin (http://marvel.com/catalog/?colorist=Laura%20Martin)
LETTERED BY: VC - Chris Eliopoulos (http://marvel.com/catalog/?letterer=VC%20-%20Chris%20Eliopoulos)

THE STORY:
The blockbuster Marvel event of the year goes full-blown carnage and madness as the biggest and most brutal battle in Marvel’s history brings together heroes from all sides. Lines have been drawn, and an unlikely hero will save one Avenger, but they can’t save them all. The Siege has begun and it claims its first victim as AN AVENGER WILL DIE!! Cardstock Cover/Rated T …$3.99
Hmm, wonder what happens then.

Read Siege #2

[hamgravy]

COVER BY: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?cover_art=Olivier%20Coipel)
WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis (http://marvel.com/catalog/?writer=Brian%20Michael%20Bendis)
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?artist=Olivier%20Coipel)
INKS: Array (http://marvel.com/catalog/?inker=Array)
COLORED BY: Laura Martin (http://marvel.com/catalog/?colorist=Laura%20Martin)
LETTERED BY: VC - Chris Eliopoulos (http://marvel.com/catalog/?letterer=VC%20-%20Chris%20Eliopoulos)

THE STORY:
The blockbuster Marvel event of the year goes full-blown carnage and madness as the biggest and most brutal battle in Marvel’s history brings together heroes from all sides. Lines have been drawn, and an unlikely hero will save one Avenger, but they can’t save them all. The Siege has begun and it claims its first victim as AN AVENGER WILL DIE!! Cardstock Cover/Rated T …$3.99
Hmm, wonder what happens then.

I can't put "spoilers" on your assumptions.

[AndrewG]

What, when we knew that something was going to happen in the issue? I now know what the event is, because of him. He could have out "Another, Siege #2 spoilers", but instead he put information outside of the tag, making him a bit of an inconsiderate prick really.

I think you're over reacting a bit here. The image was the spoiler and that was covered up. There have been plenty of silly mockup images of characters done in the past week...it really could have been anything.

I think people are getting a bit too worked up about spoilers anyway. The book has been out and the spoilers about the issue were available for a couple weeks anyway

[NickT]

I think you're over reacting a bit here. The image was the spoiler and that was covered up. There have been plenty of silly mockup images of characters done in the past week...it really could have been anything.

I think people are getting a bit too worked up about spoilers anyway. The book has been out and the spoilers about the issue were available for a couple weeks anyway
You know how some shops didn't get all their orders because of some motorway accidently? Hi, I got affected.

[NickT]

I can't put "spoilers" on your assumptions.
You can't put common courtesy in your posts either apparently.

[AndrewG]

COVER BY: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?cover_art=Olivier%20Coipel)
WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis (http://marvel.com/catalog/?writer=Brian%20Michael%20Bendis)
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?artist=Olivier%20Coipel)
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COLORED BY: Laura Martin (http://marvel.com/catalog/?colorist=Laura%20Martin)
LETTERED BY: VC - Chris Eliopoulos (http://marvel.com/catalog/?letterer=VC%20-%20Chris%20Eliopoulos)

THE STORY:
The blockbuster Marvel event of the year goes full-blown carnage and madness as the biggest and most brutal battle in Marvel’s history brings together heroes from all sides. Lines have been drawn, and an unlikely hero will save one Avenger, but they can’t save them all. The Siege has begun and it claims its first victim as AN AVENGER WILL DIE!! Cardstock Cover/Rated T …$3.99
Hmm, wonder what happens then.

You spoiled yourself by reading the solicit. You knew that an Avenger would die instead of waiting for the book to come out to be surprised

[panco]

Guys seriously

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q226/qettsevon/peace.jpg

[hamgravy]

You know how some shops didn't get all their orders because of some road motorway? Hi, I got affected.

Well, if you haven't read the issue, I can tell you that Ares isn't the Avenger who dies.

There are, like, several dozen Avengers at this point. Just because I mentioned that name doesn't mean it was him.

In fact, he's the new Captain America.

Clint Barton dies (again) and that's Bobbi in the new Hawkeye promo image.

[NickT]

You spoiled yourself by reading the solicit. You knew that an Avenger would die instead of waiting for the book to come out to be surprised
Oh come on, I read the solicits so now people making spoilers obvious are might fault?


If you're going to spoil something, use spoil tags but keep parts of it outside of the spoiler tags, it's still spoiling. Think before posting.

[AndrewG]

You know how some shops didn't get all their orders because of some motorway accidently? Hi, I got affected.

Maybe it would be best to stay away from comic message boards, especially ones hosted by the writer of the book you didn't want to get spoiled with. There are half a dozen Siege/Avengers/Heroic Age and review threads and each one is like a loaded gun. I could see if you went into the NFL thread and someone just casually mentioned it but this isn't that big a deal. And he did hide the image

[NickT]

*snip*
And now you've completely made it obvious for the people who couldn't piece it together from your first post. At least edit your posts a bit, accept your screwup.

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

COVER BY: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?cover_art=Olivier%20Coipel)
WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis (http://marvel.com/catalog/?writer=Brian%20Michael%20Bendis)
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel (http://marvel.com/catalog/?artist=Olivier%20Coipel)
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COLORED BY: Laura Martin (http://marvel.com/catalog/?colorist=Laura%20Martin)
LETTERED BY: VC - Chris Eliopoulos (http://marvel.com/catalog/?letterer=VC%20-%20Chris%20Eliopoulos)

THE STORY:
The blockbuster Marvel event of the year goes full-blown carnage and madness as the biggest and most brutal battle in Marvel’s history brings together heroes from all sides. Lines have been drawn, and an unlikely hero will save one Avenger, but they can’t save them all. The Siege has begun and it claims its first victim as AN AVENGER WILL DIE!! Cardstock Cover/Rated T …$3.99
Hmm, wonder what happens then.

That's you making assumptions. All he told you was that there spoilers pertaining to Ares in the pic, that could mean 100 different things. Also, nowhere in his post did he even mention Siege #2.

[hamgravy]

And now you've completely made it obvious for the people who couldn't piece it together from your first post. At least edit your posts a bit, accept your screwup.

This is all based on your assumptions of random bits of information.

I was making a joke about the Avengers #1 promo images. I haven't spoiled anything.

Was the joke even funny to anyone?

Why did I get out of bed?

[AndrewG]

Oh come on, I read the solicits so now people making spoilers obvious are might fault?

If you're going to spoil something, use spoil tags but keep parts of it outside of the spoiler tags, it's still spoiling. Think before posting.

No, I'm just saying you might want to take some responsibility before blaming other people for an apparent spoiler. He didn't post an obvious spoiler. Even those who may have spoiled themselves on a death by reading the solicits wouldn't necessarily get spoiled. These fake 'I am an Avenger' pics have been about everyone and everything. He covered up what he had to cover up

[NickT]

That's you making assumptions. All he told you was that there spoilers pertaining to Ares in the pic, that could mean 100 different things. Also, nowhere in his post did he even mention Siege #2.
And this is you being deliberately awkward. Really, what else could he be spoiling exactly?

[AndrewG]

And this is you being deliberately awkward. Really, what else could he be spoiling exactly?

Ares killing Sentry

Ares killing Osborn

Osborn killing Ares

Ares riding the jet

[hamgravy]

And this is you being deliberately awkward. Really, what else could he be spoiling exactly?

That:

Ares is the new Captain America!

I really want to know if you clicked on that...?

[NickT]

That:

Ares is the new Captain America!

I really want to know if you clicked on that...?
Saw it when I quoted you, now I'm spoilt I don't really care.


And you know, if you just said sorry and edited your first post this wouldn't still be going on.

[panco]

That:

Ares is the new Captain America!

I really want to know if you clicked on that...?

http://newcomicreviews.com/unsorted/5/Ben-what.gif

(Instant use of CTH picks)

[AndrewG]

Saw it when I quoted you, now I'm spoilt I don't really care.


And you know, if you just said sorry and edited your first post this wouldn't still be going on.

He didn't do anything wrong so why should he have to apologize?

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

And this is you being deliberately awkward. Really, what else could he be spoiling exactly?

Virtually anything? In his post, all he mentions is Ares, that's it. He didn't mention a death, he didn't mention that it was something that happened in Siege 2.

[hamgravy]

In all seriousness, I did not expect anyone to read into my post and I'm sorry if it spoiled your enjoyment of Siege #2 (a book I never mentioned).

But was my fake promo image funny?

I want to crawl into the mouth of Panco's Panther avatar and take a nap.

[Brother Power the Gong]

I hate it when mommy and daddy and auntie and uncle and cousin and second cousin twice removed fight.

[panco]

In all seriousness, I did not expect anyone to read into my post and I'm sorry if it spoiled your enjoyment of Siege #2 (a book I never mentioned).

But was my fake promo image funny?

I want to crawl into the mouth of Panco's Panther avatar and take a nap.

You ruined everything. You even ruined part of the upcoming Heroic age.
And your pic wasn't funny. Lolcats are funny.
You should repent by posting an Ares lolcat pic.


(please understand that I keed)

[Marvelprince]

In all seriousness, I did not expect anyone to read into my post and I'm sorry if it spoiled your enjoyment of Siege #2 (a book I never mentioned).

But was my fake promo image funny?

I want to crawl into the mouth of Panco's Panther avatar and take a nap.

I laughed. Plus I don't see where you were wrong. So there you go.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm with Nick

[hamgravy]

I'm with Nick

Make a T-Shirt.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Make a T-Shirt.

A NickT-Shirt?

[panco]

Make a T-Shirt.
http://img1.uplood.fr/free/4q36_hamgravy.jpg

[Matthew Brown]

I'm with Nick

Me, too.

God damn you, Hamgravy. Straight to hell!

[John Drake]

Oh come on, I read the solicits so now people making spoilers obvious are might fault?


If you're going to spoil something, use spoil tags but keep parts of it outside of the spoiler tags, it's still spoiling. Think before posting.

I'm with Nick.

[HOOKS]

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/11152storystory_full-5389192..jpg

[panco]

Ahhhh ! This one I like a lot (expect for the cheesy text) !

[hamgravy]

http://img1.uplood.fr/free/4q36_hamgravy.jpg

Hah - thanks Panco.

Yeah, someone else needs to make an "I'm with Nick" T-shirt.

[hamgravy]

That's an incredible, maybe my favorite, interpretation of the new Thor costume.

Powerful stuff.

[SidekicksRevenge]

I'm pleased with this lineup, but I'm waiting for a surprise. I guess Spider-Woman would have been one if anyone but Bendis was on this title, but come on.

Also, I'm waiting for Spider-Man: "I Make My Own Deals (Unless My Wife Does)"

[CalypsoDynamo]

God I absolutely love JRJr's Thor, and the added gloves look really badass!

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

I'm pleased with this lineup, but I'm waiting for a surprise. I guess Spider-Woman would have been one if anyone but Bendis was on this title, but come on.

Also, I'm waiting for Spider-Man: "I Make My Own Deals (Unless My Wife Does)"

I'm liking the lineup for the most part (although I'm still enjoying Clint as Ronin, so I'm a bit sad to see that go). I'm just concerned that with the "Big 3" all in one book, that that means that there will only be one main Avengers book, which I see as not a good move. And, I'm still pretty worried that they're gonna go with one book three times a month like ASM. But that actual lineup itself I'm cool with, here's hoping Luke and Pete are both revealed soon.

[ValeriaK]

Now it's complete :p

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/avengersss-1.jpg

[hamgravy]

Nice Valeria.

The team definitely needs one other woman.

My vote would be for Stature + New Vision

or

She-Hulk

[Ryudo]

Now it's complete :p

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/avengersss-1.jpg

Ugh.

[Marvelprince]

Nice Valeria.

The team definitely needs one other woman.

My vote would be for Stature + New Vision

or

She-Hulk

Ms. Marvel definitely

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Ms. Marvel definitely

I'm hoping, but I have my fears that she won't be around.

And no, that's not a spoiler, this is my own personal speculation based on absolutely nothing more than my own gut.

[Andrew]

Oh come on, I read the solicits so now people making spoilers obvious are might fault?


If you're going to spoil something, use spoil tags but keep parts of it outside of the spoiler tags, it's still spoiling. Think before posting.

Did anyone force you to read this thread?

You should be able to figure out that in a thread such as this one, especially given that the issue has been out for a couple of days now, that spoilers are fair game to appear (and he didn't even spoil anything anyway). Maybe you shouldn't be frequenting threads like these until after you've read the respective issue, rather than blaming someone else for something that they never really did in the first place.

[Andrew]

Now it's complete :p

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/avengersss-1.jpg

And the Avengers can go back to being a team that nobody cares about! Awesome!

[TheKraken]

Goddamn that Thor drawing looks good. The new costume has never looked so good. This shit is gonna be epic. :D

[Maestro]

She-Hulk would be a great Avenger! c'mon Bendis, no love for the She-Hulk?

[Marcdachamp]

I'm guessing Jewel or Black Widow will be on the team in addition to Spider-Man. Or all 3.

I really hope we see JR drawing this team in non-team settings. I'd love to see some Don Blake hospital stuff and Spidey on the rooftops. I know he's done those a billion times, but God, he rocks at it.

[ValeriaK]

And the Avengers can go back to being a team that nobody cares about! Awesome!

The mark of a good writer is to grab characters nobody cares about and make everyone care about them... do you have such little faith in Bendis?

[hamgravy]

She-Hulk would be a great Avenger! c'mon Bendis, no love for the She-Hulk?

Yah!

This roster needs:
a) a hulk
b) muscle
c) humor
d) another lady

She-Hulk for the win.

She's also one of the women that JRJr draws really well (since a lot of them kinds look like trannies in his hands).

[Alpha Centauri]

I think Ms. Marvel should be there.

I know her on-going is getting cancelled, but she had enough interest as a character to put her in the new series of The Avengers, surely.

[panco]

The avengers teases this week were not the full roster. Thru ere s tease of the full roster!! Duh duh duuuhhnnn 8 minutes ago


Does Bendis tweet while driving through a tunnel?

[NickT]

Does Bendis tweet whille driving through a tunnel?
I read it and wondered through where is the tease :)

[hamgravy]

Not tonight honey, I'm not in the mood for a nerdgasm.

[Zac Goyette]

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/11152storystory_full-5389192..jpg

JRjr draws a kick ass Thor. I am very pleased with the roster so far. Add Beast , Ms. Marvel, and She-Hulk and I will be set.:D

[hamgravy]

JRjr draws a kick ass Thor. I am very pleased with the roster so far. Add Beast , Ms. Marvel, and She-Hulk and I will be set.:D

Man, I'm with you there.

[Zac Goyette]

And the Avengers can go back to being a team that nobody cares about! Awesome!

Yeah, no one cares about any of those characters. Three of them are on the team he is writing now, so nobody must have care about that team either.

[Taxman]

But was my fake promo image funny?No it isn't funny. You screwed up and you should give back your Maloofy! :x






































I don't even really know what happened here. I just see there was a lot of drama. :lol:

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

No it isn't funny. You screwed up and you should give back your Maloofy! :x






































I don't even really know what happened here. I just see there was a lot of drama. :lol:

There always is, man. There always is...

And what the fuck is a Maloofy?

[Taxman]

There always is, man. There always is...

And what the fuck is a Maloofy?Maloofy is the nickname for a Bendis Board Award. Hamgravy won Best New Poster.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/2009%20Awards/NewPoster.png

Where does this come from, BTW?


http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee121/TheLastHorseman/shanersig.jpg

[Taxman]

Now it's complete :p

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/avengersss-1.jpgSpider-Woman looks waaaaaay out of place here.

[Andrew]

The mark of a good writer is to grab characters nobody cares about and make everyone care about them... do you have such little faith in Bendis?


Yeah, no one cares about any of those characters. Three of them are on the team he is writing now, so nobody must have care about that team either.

:lol:

You misunderstand.

I say that in reference to the modified pic that has Wanda and the Vision included, which makes it reminiscent of the old team.

Let's be honest here: before Bendis came onboard, nobody really cared about the Avengers. Him changing up the team so dramatically was the best thing that ever happened to the series and made it into Marvel's top franchise.

So now we have this "Heroic Age" stuff. Okay, cool. I have faith in Bendis, absolutely. But having Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hawkeye is more than enough of the old team to have around (they're the ones who really matter the most, anyway). But please, let's not go back to the creepy Wanda/Vision love affair stuff, or have Pym around moping about Janet either. That stuff is passé.

And from the looks of things, I have nothing to worry about. :)

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Maloofy is the nickname for a Bendis Board Award. Hamgravy won Best New Poster.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/2009%20Awards/NewPoster.png

Where does this come from, BTW?


http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee121/TheLastHorseman/shanersig.jpg

Why do you call it a Maloofy?

I made it out of a bunch of Evan Shaner pieces. He's my current art man-crush. His work is fantastic, and I think I'm in love.

You can check out his work here at his blog. (http://www.evanshaner.com/)

[Zac Goyette]

:lol:

You misunderstand.

I say that in reference to the modified pic that has Wanda and the Vision included, which makes it reminiscent of the old team.

Let's be honest here: before Bendis came onboard, nobody really cared about the Avengers. Him changing up the team so dramatically was the best thing that ever happened to the series and made it into Marvel's top franchise.

So now we have this "Heroic Age" stuff. Okay, cool. I have faith in Bendis, absolutely. But having Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hawkeye is more than enough of the old team to have around (they're the ones who really matter the most, anyway). But please, let's not go back to the creepy Wanda/Vision love affair stuff, or have Pym around moping about Janet either. That stuff is passé.

And from the looks of things, I have nothing to worry about. :)
Oh, sorry for taking your comment out of context. One thing I do disagree with you about is Hank Pym. Slott has got that character in a great place right now. He isn't moping about Jan, and he is actually pretty kick ass. I think the only reason we won't see Hank on the team is because Slott will be using him elsewhere.

[TheKraken]

I sincerely doubt Wanda's doing anything 'til Heinberg & Cheung's Avengers: The Children's Crusade comes out. Everyone's been bending over backwards to leave her be until they finish what they started in Young Avengers, blowing that when Heinberg's finally writing the follow-up would be silly.

As for "no one cares about these characters," who gave a shit about Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Echo, The Sentry, Brother Voodoo, The Hood, Ares, or Marvel Boy until Bendis put them in his Avengers books? Who gave a shit about Ms. Marvel, Iron First or Bucky until the right creative team came along in the last decade and revitalized them? Saying no one cares about any character is disingenuous. Clearly some one cares, or they would've been forgotten by now. And if they're on a good book, written by a writer who's interested in them, they'll develop a whole new following.

[hamgravy]

Maloofy is the nickname for a Bendis Board Award. Hamgravy won Best New Poster.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/2009%20Awards/NewPoster.png

Where does this come from, BTW?


http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee121/TheLastHorseman/shanersig.jpg

Whoa! I hadn't seen my "Best New Poster" sig before. It's awesome.

Did you make it Taxman?

And is that Noh Var? Very cool. I looked like that in high school.

[Taxman]

bah!

[Taxman]

Whoa! I hadn't seen my "Best New Poster" sig before. It's awesome.

Did you make it Taxman?

And is that Noh Var? Very cool. I looked like that in high school.Yes, thanks.

The awards were all posted here (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=6606931&=taxman#post6606931). I don't really know why the thing goes on for about 25 threads and then the actually announcement of winners gets buried in some thread. In the past, I had notified each winner by PM once it was posted. Not this year though.

[Andrew]

As for "no one cares about these characters," who gave a shit about Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Echo, The Sentry, Brother Voodoo, The Hood, Ares, or Marvel Boy until Bendis put them in his Avengers books?

Even today, nobody gives a shit about at least 2 of those 3 characters. Especially The Sentry. :lol:

[Taxman]

Even today, nobody gives a shit about at least 2 of those 3 characters. Especially The Sentry. :lol:Do you make the case that their inclusion in the Avengers titles diminished Bendis' work?

The point of bringing up that some character sucks in a thread like this is to imply that this means the book they are in will suck.

[SidekicksRevenge]

For example, I thought the roster for Slott's Mighty Avengers sucked horrifically - and that book turned into a homerun of a series.

[Foolish Mortal]

Even today, nobody gives a shit about at least 2 of those 3 characters. Especially The Sentry. :lol:
Even though the previous Sentry miniseries sold very well. :)

[artimoff]

:lol:

You misunderstand.

I say that in reference to the modified pic that has Wanda and the Vision included, which makes it reminiscent of the old team.

Let's be honest here: before Bendis came onboard, nobody really cared about the Avengers. Him changing up the team so dramatically was the best thing that ever happened to the series and made it into Marvel's top franchise.
:)


A lot of people carred about the Avengers, just not alot of Bendis boarders.

He could have kept the team the same & it would have sold just as well. People wanted a well writen book, Bendis delivered. I mean Chuck Austen was writing it before Bendis. How could it not be better?

[artimoff]

For example, I thought the roster for Slott's Mighty Avengers sucked horrifically - and that book turned into a homerun of a series.

Really? It's what brought me to the book.

[WhindamPryce]

A lot of people carred about the Avengers, just not alot of Bendis boarders.

He could have kept the team the same & it would have sold just as well. People wanted a well writen book, Bendis delivered. I mean Chuck Austen was writing it before Bendis. How could it not be better?

Really, you think a team with Vision, Wanda, Simon, She-Hulk, Jack of Hearts, would've sold better than one starring Wolverine & Spidey? Even if we take a subjective thing as writing quality out of the equation, a team with Wolvie/Spidey is going to objectively sell better than one without them. That was half the reason for JLA-ing the Avengers in the first place.

[Andrew]

A lot of people carred about the Avengers, just not alot of Bendis boarders.

He could have kept the team the same & it would have sold just as well. People wanted a well writen book, Bendis delivered. I mean Chuck Austen was writing it before Bendis. How could it not be better?

I'm not talking about Chuck Austen at all. That one is way too easy.

Even Marvel themselves have admitted that the Avengers were never really a "franchise" or considered a "must-read comic" throughout most of their history, and the only time the book ever got any real buzz was the Busiek/Perez relaunch. Even then, it didn't last long. Furthermore, the team always held the the title of being Marvel's "Greatest Heroes" and yet usually they were anything but. That's why Marvel made them more closely resemble the JLA by having A-listers join, and refocusing on making Cap, Iron Man, and Thor more popular (historically their solo books sold like shit as well).


Really, you think a team with Vision, Wanda, Simon, She-Hulk, would've sold better than one starring Wolverine & Spidey? Even if we take a subjective thing as writing quality out of the equation, a team with Wolvie/Spidey is going to objectively sell better than one without them. That was half the reason for JLA-ing the Avengers in the first place.

Exactly.

[SidekicksRevenge]

Really? It's what brought me to the book.

Never was a big fan of US Agent, Hercules, or Quicksilver (all of whom Slott has done a bang-up job getting me to like...especially Herc) and thought I must've been reading a different Young Avengers than everyone else, because I didn't get what all the excitement was about with that tile...so there's two more characters that I'm just kinda so-so on when the book started.

So yeah, if ever there was a case for a creator making the book and not the cast...it's the recent Mighty Avengers issues that I've loved the mess out of even though a large majority of the cast were characters I'd normally give a big miss to.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't care about the lineup, so long as the book is good. This, we can agree on. I think that putting Spider-Man and Wolverine on the cover is always going to sell more issues than She-Hulk and Triathalon, as well. But that's just sales...and all I ever need for sales of a book I enjoy is for them to be good enough to keep the book goin.

[Humphrey_Lee]

Oy, stop with the renumbering.

I was gonna say "Oy, stop with the Spider-Woman." It's been six years of Mary Suedom with her and I've still yet to see her be interesting.

[jamestolliver]

I was gonna say "Oy, stop with the Spider-Woman." It's been six years of Mary Suedom with her and I've still yet to see her be interesting.

Really?

[Humphrey_Lee]

Really?

Yup. Great, she was a spy and a skrull. She still has a flat personality and uninteresting powers. The mini Bendis did with the Luna Bros for her was more interesting in five issues than all her appearances in these Avengers books, and I only thought that series was pretty average too.

[artimoff]

Really, you think a team with Vision, Wanda, Simon, She-Hulk, Jack of Hearts, would've sold better than one starring Wolverine & Spidey? Even if we take a subjective thing as writing quality out of the equation, a team with Wolvie/Spidey is going to objectively sell better than one without them. That was half the reason for JLA-ing the Avengers in the first place.


Jack of hearts wasn't on the team. He had left for space. Bendis brought him back.

[artimoff]

I was gonna say "Oy, stop with the Spider-Woman." It's been six years of Mary Suedom with her and I've still yet to see her be interesting.


I love her look, but as an Avenger her character doesn't apeal to me. I liked Jessica the P.I. much more.

[Taxman]

Jack of hearts wasn't on the team. He had left for space. Bendis brought him back.Jack of Heart had left for the League of Dead Guys. Bendis brought him back for a cup of coffee that he never even got.

[artimoff]

I'm not talking about Chuck Austen at all. That one is way too easy.

Even Marvel themselves have admitted that the Avengers were never really a "franchise" or considered a "must-read comic" throughout most of their history, and the only time the book ever got any real buzz was the Busiek/Perez relaunch. .

I never felt that New or Mighty was a "must-read comic" at all. Stern's run, Beusiek's run & Byrne's west coast runs were very "must-read" for me. I even find the Harras/Epting run better than anything Bendis did in New Avengers.

[WhindamPryce]

Jack of hearts wasn't on the team. He had left for space. Bendis brought him back.

Still doesn't disqualify the other 99% of my statement. :)

[WhindamPryce]

I never felt that New or Mighty was a "must-read comic" at all. Stern's run, Beusiek's run & Byrne's west coast runs were very "must-read" for me. I even find the Harras/Epting run better than anything Bendis did in New Avengers.

I'm sorry, but this is just false, sir. :)

[artimoff]

I'm sorry, but this is just false, sir. :)


No it's not. I do find the Epting/harras run more interesting & better.

[juampi]

This team needs another woman at least. Songbird would fit the bill quite nicely...please Brian!!

[WhindamPryce]

No it's not. I do find the Epting/harras run more interesting & better.

Okay, cool.

[Kman00001]

This team needs another woman at least. Songbird would fit the bill quite nicely...please Brian!!

Yes, please!

[juampi]

Yes, please!

I'm starting to like how you think!! :D

[Humphrey_Lee]

I love her look, but as an Avenger her character doesn't apeal to me. I liked Jessica the P.I. much more.

I think that's it for me. Everything that Bendis wants to do to make the character interesting, he already did with Jessica Jones, and she's a way better character than Spider-Woman. And now he's trying to impart these things on her now that he gets to use her how he likes and, meh, she's now derivative of a character that came twenty years later under his pen and he developed more in two years on her own book than he's been able to do with SW in six years of New Avengers tales.

I do like the lineup on this book though, and it'll probably be the first time I'm buying the main book in years. I was tired of the "lynchpin of the event status quo" status of New Avengers all these past years. I had no issue with the cast - I have no problem with the Avengers not being all the Heavy, heavy hitters - I just didn't like how the book made me feel like they were just there to have character moments while Bendis ran stories that set the pace for 17 other books. Now that it looks like (hopefully) these bigger stories are going to be more localized on just the team and book, and the cast is more traditionally Avengers, then it feels more like home.

To be honest, I'm just sick of that direction of Marvel in general. I like the "frameworks" they've had the past few years - Skrulls, Stormin' Norman, etc - but hate how they've made me feel like I need to be reading at least four flagship titles, mostly Avengers, a month to keep up. It's like when a true event comes out and they say you'll only need to read the main book and you'll be good... until there's three issues of GL that are important to fleshing it out and someone major dies in them. I do hope there's more in the way of these Frameworks, I just don't want to feel like Avengers is just about driving it, and more like it's just another cog in it, if you get what I mean. Like how Fraction handled DKR during his Iron Man run.

End diatribe. :D

[Marvelprince]

I never felt that New or Mighty was a "must-read comic" at all. Stern's run, Beusiek's run & Byrne's west coast runs were very "must-read" for me. I even find the Harras/Epting run better than anything Bendis did in New Avengers.

Surely you're not arguing that the Avengers were as big then as they are now under Bendis. Despite your personal preference for the stories they weren't what anyone would consider a franchise back then.

[artimoff]

Surely you're not arguing that the Avengers were as big then as they are now under Bendis. Despite your personal preference for the stories they weren't what anyone would consider a franchise back then.


Bendis' New Avengers is big because Marvel has made it big. All statis quo changing crossovers have come out of New Avengers.

Look at all the "must-read" books over at DC. They're not all that good either.


Tangent time.

It amazes me how differnet DC & Marvel have been with their crossovers.

DC- Main mini is really good but ruins many ongoing series.

Marvel - Main mini not so good, but ongoing tie in books are excelent.

[Marvelprince]

Bendis' New Avengers is big because Marvel has made it big. All statis quo changing crossovers have come out of New Avengers.

Yeah, but you can argue that the reason they were made the centre of all the events is because they became huge. New Avengers took off, was huge for almost a year before they ever tied into any big event. I think its pretty telling that House of M originally intended as just an Avengers/X-men crossover that got upgrade to a line wide event.


Look at all the "must-read" books over at DC. They're not all that good either.

Really? I heard Green Lantern was a must read and I think its an amazing title.


Tangent time.

It amazes me how differnet DC & Marvel have been with their crossovers.

DC- Main mini is really good but ruins many ongoing series.

Marvel - Main mini not so good, but ongoing tie in books are excelent.

I agree that Blackest Night has been awesome, and the main event not so much but I think that for the most part the Marvel events have been awesome. Siege has been great so far.

[BENDIS!]

I never felt that New or Mighty was a "must-read comic" at all. Stern's run, Beusiek's run & Byrne's west coast runs were very "must-read" for me. I even find the Harras/Epting run better than anything Bendis did in New Avengers.

why don't you go to their board and leave me the fuck alone? :)

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

why don't you go to their board and leave me the fuck alone? :)

If Bob Harras has a board, good money says Dusty's a mod, if only because it'd probably be the only place in the entirety of the intrawebs that he hasn't been banned from.

[Chris McCarver]

why don't you go to their board and leave me the fuck alone? :)


Aaaand... [/thread]

[artimoff]

why don't you go to their board and leave me the fuck alone? :)


You write more than Avengers, right? GO ULTIMATE SPIDEY!! :)


I havn't said your Avengers book sucks, just that I liked other runs more.

I do think that if your editor had asked you to write the classic Avengers characters the book would be just as popular because of your writing.

[Taxman]

Yeah, but you can argue that the reason they were made the centre of all the events is because they became huge. New Avengers took off, was huge for almost a year before they ever tied into any big event. I think its pretty telling that House of M originally intended as just an Avengers/X-men crossover that got upgrade to a line wide event.I was looking over the early issues of New Avengers a day or so ago and was surprised to find a two page ad for House of M in on of the issues of the first arc. That has been one of my main problems with these Avengers books is that nothing ever really has the chance to breath. Maybe there was a year before the first event like you say. But an alternate cover for the first issue had The Sentry and Nunchuck Guy on it and these two were done being brought on to the roster until they came up against that event.

[BENDIS!]

You write more than Avengers, right? GO ULTIMATE SPIDEY!! :)


I havn't said your Avengers book sucks, just that I liked other runs more.

I do think that if your editor had asked you to write the classic Avengers characters the book would be just as popular because of your writing.

nice back peddle :) but one would argue that every avengers team has it's time. it was time for this.

and you forget mighty avengers was a big hit too and was classic in a sense. so you were right and i was right :)

[artimoff]

and you forget mighty avengers was a big hit too and was classic in a sense. so you were right and i was right :)

:D




You need to bring back the might avengers thought baloons. Those were great.

[rwsmith]

I just hope that, since The Avengers seems to be a more traditional/classic line-up, there's another team with a more New Avengers type line-up (e.g., Cage, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Nova, Echo, etc.).

The old-school Avengers never excited me and, in fact, I didn't start reading the Avengers until Bendis "Disassembled" them and created the New Avengers with Dave Finch. I loved that initial line-up of Cap, Iron Man, Cage, Spider-woman, Wolverine, Spider-man and The Sentry!

Surely the Avengers franchise is big enough for both types of books: a classic Avengers title and a more New Avengers type of book?

[Foolish Mortal]

I just hope that, since The Avengers seems to be a more traditional/classic line-up, there's another team with a more New Avengers type line-up (e.g., Cage, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Nova, Echo, etc.).

The old-school Avengers never excited me and, in fact, I didn't start reading the Avengers until Bendis "Disassembled" them and created the New Avengers with Dave Finch. I loved that initial line-up of Cap, Iron Man, Cage, Spider-woman, Wolverine, Spider-man and The Sentry!

Surely the Avengers franchise is big enough for both types of books: a classic Avengers title and a more New Avengers type of book?
I have a feeling that the new teams will be hybrids of old school members and recent members.

[artimoff]

Luke & Danny should form a new Defenders team. Writen by Bendis of course.

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Luke & Danny should form a new Defenders team. Writen by Bendis of course.

Nah, they should both be Avengers now. And I've been saying this for more than two decades.

I'd like to see a New Defenders book spin out of the Heroic Age that is UN sanctioned and ran by the new S.H.I.E.L.D. A team handpicked by the new Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.... Steve Rogers. :D

[NickT]

Nah, they should both be Avengers now. And I've been saying this for more than two decades.

I'd like to see a New Defenders book spin out of the Heroic Age that is UN sanctioned and ran by the new S.H.I.E.L.D. A team handpicked by the new Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.... Steve Rogers. :D
No, the Defenders should be a Science team!

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

No, the Defenders should be a Science team!

It could just be a team of 8 Peter Parker clones. That would make everyone happy.

[WhindamPryce]

No, the Defenders should be a Science team!

Why? Wasn't it originally Doc Strange, Hulk & Namor? Not very science-y. Sure, Banner and Strange know about science, but I think you're talking about science as a focus of the book...?

[WhindamPryce]

Has that brouhaha over the name Champions been cleared up so Marvel can use it again?

Well hell, just have Fraction write it and I don't care what you call the book. :)

[NickT]

Why? Wasn't it originally Doc Strange, Hulk & Namor? Not very science-y. Sure, Banner and Strange know about science, but I think you're talking about science as a focus of the book...?
Yeah, we take the name and do something else with it :)

[Taxman]

No, the Defenders should be a Science team!All science guys:



Pym
Stark
The Beast
Black Panther
The Black Knight
Wonder Man
and Ant Man II

[Spidey616]

Hope Carol Danvers makes the cut. With her title coming to an end, she NEEDS to stay on Avengers assuming of course she survives Siege :scared:

;)

[Taxman]

Hope Carol Danvers makes the cut. With her title coming to an end, she NEEDS to stay on Avengers assuming of course she survives Siege :scared:

;)"Cut" is not a word I would use until I saw evidence that there will not be multiple books, multiple writers and unstable line-ups.

[HoldFastNow]

This team needs another woman at least. Songbird would fit the bill quite nicely...please Brian!!

:thumb:

[BENDIS!]

:D




You need to bring back the might avengers thought baloons. Those were great.

i'm bringing back one right now. can you guess what it says? :)

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

i'm bringing back one right now. can you guess what it says? :)

I'm seeing the words "taint" and "lick" but not necessarily in the order. My telepathy is a bit shaky. :D

[Chris McCarver]

:thumb:

Thirded.

[Alpha Centauri]

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs131.snc3/17868_295783742487_6883542487_3357928_1097303_n.jp g

From Marvel's Facebook.

From Marvel.Com: "Get your first look at the top secret cast for the new Secret Avengers, from Ed Brubaker and Mike Deodato".

Anyone wanna hazard a guess?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I hope it's Beast.

[SidekicksRevenge]

I hope it's Beast, but as I've said before: speculation just ends up making me tired while I'm doing it and cranky when I turn out to be wrong. So I'll just be happy with the creative team and let the Secret Avengers team be whoever the hell they want. Unless whoever the hell they want is Gilgamesh. Then I'm out.

[Alpha Centauri]

Everyone seems set on Beast, I'm also thinking that.

I just wonder why "Secret". I understand it for Dark Reign, because they were a secret team, but I suppose there's always the option for it to be some kind of stealth/covert team. Nothing says stealth like a big, blue, furry man.

I agree, Sidekick. There's enough trust in Marvel and their writers for me to just enjoy whoever they make the teams out of, unless it's horrifyingly bad.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

I hope it's Beast.

Beast should have nails though, right? And they really want you to think Spider-man here. Because I can't think of any other character really drawn in that kind of pose for any reason.

Personally...

I don't know why Spider-man would have to be a secret especially if it comes out that Osborn's Spider-man was someone else. And I don't see Brubaker writing Spider-man quips. So its either Venom, which I don't want. Or maybe some how, some way, its Anti-Venom. And that I would be ok with. He's got a cool design and being an "Avenger" as well as the quote would fit how he seems to work. Fingers crossed!

[Foolish Mortal]

Beast should have nails though, right? And they really want you to think Spider-man here. Because I can't think of any other character really drawn in that kind of pose for any reason.

Personally...

I don't know why Spider-man would have to be a secret especially if it comes out that Osborn's Spider-man was someone else. And I don't see Brubaker writing Spider-man quips. So its either Venom, which I don't want. Or maybe some how, some way, its Anti-Venom. And that I would be ok with. He's got a cool design and being an "Avenger" as well as the quote would fit how he seems to work. Fingers crossed!
That doesn't look like Spider-Man at all to me. The proportions are too large.

[Spidey616]

Secret Avengers! So that's the new Brubaker project that's been teased for awhile. Glad to see Deodato has a new ongoing project once DA ends.

[Marcdachamp]

I'm gonna go with Venom. It's Deodato, and Venom has been a recurring character for him for 2 series now. I'm betting Secret Avengers is going to be the continuation of Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers.

[bartleby]

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs131.snc3/17868_295783742487_6883542487_3357928_1097303_n.jp g

"I focus on the solution, not the problem."

Anyone wanna hazard a guess?



Is it the guy from JERSEY SHORE?

[sloth_love_chunk]

That's totally the Beast. Right size and shape and pose. And Hank McCoy focuses on the solution, not the problem.

[Foolish Mortal]

I'm gonna go with Venom. It's Deodato, and Venom has been a recurring character for him for 2 series now. I'm betting Secret Avengers is going to be the continuation of Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers.
"I focus on the solution, not the problem." doesn't sound like something Venom would say.

I also think it's Beast.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

That doesn't look like Spider-Man at all to me. The proportions are too large.

Its mainly the post. There's just not going to be but so many characters that are drawn to move like that so they definitely seem to want you to think in Spider-man family terms. But it could be something else entirely.

[Marvelprince]

I'm gonna go with Venom. It's Deodato, and Venom has been a recurring character for him for 2 series now. I'm betting Secret Avengers is going to be the continuation of Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers.

It looks more like Venom than the Beast to me, but that quote is definitely not Gargan. I think its just Spider-Man but with the proportions different to throw people off.

[Marcdachamp]

"I focus on the solution, not the problem." doesn't sound like something Venom would say.

I also think it's Beast.

Eating mother fucker's arms is one way of problem solving. :lol:

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

I'm gonna go with Venom. It's Deodato, and Venom has been a recurring character for him for 2 series now. I'm betting Secret Avengers is going to be the continuation of Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers.

Yeah, assuming you were a Dark Avenger and you don't die, you probably don't get off the hook and go back to jail right? "I was just following orders" won't cut it for that outrage. You probably get your nanites reactivated and sent into the worst situations possible until you eventually die and get replaced by someone else.

[Foolish Mortal]

Its mainly the post. There's just not going to be but so many characters that are drawn to move like that so they definitely seem to want you to think in Spider-man family terms. But it could be something else entirely.
No, I think they want us to think Beast. :lol:

[RoShambo]

But Beast has always been barefoot, no?

[Marcdachamp]

No, I think they want us to think Beast. :lol:

Bendis said there's gonna be a geekgasm over one of the new team members revealed this week. I'm betting Beast is the source of said geekgasm.

[Foolish Mortal]

But Beast has always been barefoot, no?

The silhouette is clearly meant to not show too much detail.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

"I focus on the solution, not the problem." doesn't sound like something Venom would say.

I also think it's Beast.

I don't read that quote as a good thing necessarily. The problem could be a kid who will grow up to be a cosmic powered despot in the future. The quick solution is to kill the kid now and call it a day. So that statement might not be a positive attitude to have.

Maybe the next one will help give a new context.

[RoShambo]

The silhouette is clearly meant to not show too much detail.

I'm just saying that you can see that he's got boot/shoe like rounded feet.

[rwsmith]

Looks like Spider-man to me, but the tag-line is a bit...off...for him at least.

Regardless, I am really hoping for a "best of both worlds" scenario here, where fans of the old-school Avengers can get The Avengers with the Big Three (well, with Bucky as Cap, but still), while New Avengers fans can get this title with (hopefully) Spider-man, Wolverine, Steve Rogers, Luke Cage, etc.

*fingers crossed*

[Zack_Hunter]

i really hope it's beast. maybe the people in the heroic age teaser will be in all 4 teams?

[RoShambo]

i really hope it's beast. maybe the people in the heroic age teaser will be in all 4 teams?

Wait, what did I miss?
4 teams?

[bartleby]

Wait, what did I miss?
4 teams?

Maybe not teams, but there will likely be four books: AVENGERS, NEW AVENGERS, SECRET AVENGERS, AVENGERS ACADEMY.

[Foolish Mortal]

Wait, what did I miss?
4 teams?
Well we know so far there is going to be three Avenger books. Avengers, Avengers Academy, and Secret Avengers.

I think it's a safe bet there will be at least one more.

[Alpha Centauri]

I think three is enough, it covers all bases.

I certainly don't think the fourth should be The New Avengers, simply because they effectively were "Secret" for a while.

[bartleby]

I think three is enough, it covers all bases.

I certainly don't think the fourth should be The New Avengers, simply because they effectively were "Secret" for a while.

We also don't know what the second Bendis book will actually be. Maybe it's something completely different than the current incarnation.

[Sarcoidosis]

That's totally the Beast. Right size and shape and pose. And Hank McCoy focuses on the solution, not the problem.
I was under the impression that Beast only had three fingers now. The silhouette has four.

[allanpat]

Well we know so far there is going to be three Avenger books. Avengers, Avengers Academy, and Secret Avengers.

I think it's a safe bet there will be at least one more.

When was Avengers Academy announced? Who's writing that?

Also, I remember Bendis saying that he's still working with Stuart Immonen post-siege, so that's got to be the 4th Avengers book.

[bartleby]

When was Avengers Academy announced? Who's writing that?

Unofficially...Christos Gage.

[BENDIS!]

Bendis said there's gonna be a geekgasm over one of the new team members revealed this week. I'm betting Beast is the source of said geekgasm.

i also didnt know they were going to black them in. well i think ed on avengers should nerdgasm you enough for now.

[Zack_Hunter]

i also didnt know they were going to black them in. well i think ed on avengers should nerdgasm you enough for now.

how many more are on the roster that's been revealed so far Brian?

[Marcdachamp]

i also didnt know they were going to black them in. well i think ed on avengers should nerdgasm you enough for now.

Damn! Thanks for the update, sir.

[CalypsoDynamo]

My guess is espionage Avengers team led by Steve Rogers, the silhouette I'm guessing is either Beast with some modifications to his design or Black Panther. I don't think it's Spidey due to the physique and the pose of the hands (more slashing). The quote and Bendis' comment makes me think (and want Beast) but Panther has history with Steve.

[Taxman]

I hope it's Beast.That is not the Beast.

[Sarcoidosis]

That is not the Beast.
Thank you! People (like me) have been posting this and nobody seems to bother to read our posts.

The silhouette has four fingers and a thumb. Beast has three and a thumb. I feel like such an incredible nerd right now.

[SidekicksRevenge]

Thank you! People (like me) have been posting this and nobody seems to bother to read our posts.

The silhouette has four fingers and a thumb. Beast has three and a thumb. I feel like such an incredible nerd right now.

This also rules out Radioactive Man and Duff-Man. Too bad...

[bartleby]

Thank you! People (like me) have been posting this and nobody seems to bother to read our posts.

The silhouette has four fingers and a thumb. Beast has three and a thumb. I feel like such an incredible nerd right now.

Unless they're going back to this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/bartsmith/beast.jpg

[Sarcoidosis]

Unless they're going back to this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/bartsmith/beast.jpg
But then the silhouette wouldn't look like Beast anymore...

[RoShambo]

Unless they're going back to this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/bartsmith/beast.jpg

He'd need shoes, too.
I was thinking during Revolution (Goggles and Pouches Beast), he had shoes, but I haven't been able to find any images with them.

[rwsmith]

He'd need shoes, too.
I was thinking during Revolution (Goggles and Pouches Beast), he had shoes, but I haven't been able to find any images with them.

He didn't wear shoes then either. The only time I can remember him wearing shoes is during Morrison's run.

I suppose it could be Wolverine (he's pretty direct and to the point and doesn't waste time on the problem, but rather goes right at a solution). Having said that, though, I don't see him being in a promo image without his claws extended.

My guess is Spider-man. Probably not Daredevil because I think he'd have his billy-club in hand or throwing it. Black Panther maybe. Perhaps Moon Knight (with no cape on).

[Taxman]

He'd need shoes, too.
I was thinking during Revolution (Goggles and Pouches Beast), he had shoes, but I haven't been able to find any images with them.The Beast's feet as far as I know have always been too big for that to be him.

From the description, my guess would be The Fixer.

The shadow looks nothing like The Fixer. To me, it looks like this guy is wearing a cape. Not only a cape, but a full on cloak. I don't know who wears a cape or a cloak these days. The Shroud does, but this guy looks like he is wearing boots, I think that would be a costume change.

Dr. Druid wore a cloak, but he is dead. I see that he has a son, I have no idea what he looks like. There is a guy on the Secret Warriors who may or may not be him with a cloak. Secret Warriors . . . Secret Avengers. Whoever the dude on Secret Warriors who wore a cloak was, that is may best guess as to who this guy is.

Someone please tell me who he is and what his story is.

Thanks

[Foolish Mortal]

The arms, hands look too large to be Spider-Man.

It's either Beast or Gorilla-Man.

[Cth]

For fun..

http://606studios.com/bendisboard/picture.php?albumid=1&pictureid=854

http://606studios.com/bendisboard/picture.php?albumid=1&pictureid=852

[Taxman]

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs131.snc3/17868_295783742487_6883542487_3357928_1097303_n.jp g

Anyone wanna hazard a guess?Sebastian Druid is my final answer.

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Sebastian Druid is my final answer.

I was thinking that myself, but can't figure out why he'd be in that pose.

[Taxman]

I was thinking that myself, but can't figure out why he'd be in that pose.Isn't it an odd angle? It looks to me like an overhead shot with the character facing about the two o'clock position. I think it would be an odd looking pose no matter who it was.

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

I dunno, to me it looks like he's leaping at us. Like Spider-man or DD would. And Druid Jr's a chubby kid, can't figure out why he'd be in the air.

[Taxman]

I dunno, to me it looks like he's leaping at us. Like Spider-man or DD would. And Druid Jr's a chubby kid, can't figure out why he'd be in the air.I can't reconcile the hand to that.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

I dunno, to me it looks like he's leaping at us. Like Spider-man or DD would. And Druid Jr's a chubby kid, can't figure out why he'd be in the air.

Hey whose art is that in your sig? That's fantastic stuff!

[WhindamPryce]

I could see Druid possibly, but why break up Secret Warriors? Isn't that book only gonna last for 30 issues anyway?

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Hey whose art is that in your sig? That's fantastic stuff!

Evan Shaner, my current art man-crush, I love the guy's work. Check out his blog here. (http://www.evanshaner.com/)

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

I could see Druid possibly, but why break up Secret Warriors? Isn't that book only gonna last for 30 issues anyway?

From like 2 issues ago- Nick told Daisy to take Druid off of the team. So, it really wouldn't be breaking up the team. I don't think it's going to be him anyway, unless, well, maybe Secret Warriors is becoming Secret Avengers. But I don't really see that happening either.

[WhindamPryce]

From like 2 issues ago- Nick told Daisy to take Druid off of the team. So, it really wouldn't be breaking up the team. I don't think it's going to be him anyway, unless, well, maybe Secret Warriors is becoming Secret Avengers. But I don't really see that happening either.

Damn I gotta re-read that issue. Refresh my memory though: what were the circumstances behind this??

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Damn I gotta re-read that issue. Refresh my memory though: what were the circumstances behind this??

I don't remember exactly, but basically, Nick just didn't feel that he was ready to go on the big missions, so he pulled him. Or at least, i think that's what happened.

[WhindamPryce]

I don't remember exactly, but basically, Nick just didn't feel that he was ready to go on the big missions, so he pulled him. Or at least, i think that's what happened.

Hmm I see... I see...

[SpiderPrime]

Maybe not teams, but there will likely be four books: AVENGERS, NEW AVENGERS, SECRET AVENGERS, AVENGERS ACADEMY.

Not to pick on Bartleby's post, but where the hell did "Avengers Academy" come from? I've heard it mentioned around this board as a confirmed title but nowhere else.

What's the source of "Avengers Academy" the title? I'm figuring there will be a book for the Initiative characters, but I'm wondering why the title "Avengers Academy" is thrown around as if it's a done deal.

Later
SpiderPrime

[totalsellout]

i think it's daredevil. i could see him on a bru team, and we'll have to see some new members with this relaunch. i just can't see bendis giving up his one chance to write 616 spidey. i don't think that silouhette looks a thing like beast.

[juampi]

So... Is Songbird an Avenger yet?

[Foolish Mortal]

Not to pick on Bartleby's post, but where the hell did "Avengers Academy" come from? I've heard it mentioned around this board as a confirmed title but nowhere else.

What's the source of "Avengers Academy" the title? I'm figuring there will be a book for the Initiative characters, but I'm wondering why the title "Avengers Academy" is thrown around as if it's a done deal.

Later
SpiderPrime
It was a story on Rich Johnston's site, Bleeding Cool.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/10/18/avengers-academy-by-christos-gage-and-mike-mckone-term-starts-next-year/

No one at Marvel has confirmed it, or denied it either.

[Taxman]

What's the source of "Avengers Academy" the title? It looks like it may have originated here, as far the the internet goes.

http://www.lahistorieta.com/tag/avengers/


Los Vengadores vuelven a la escuela: Marvel prepara Avengers Academy

Escrito por James Rocaforte

Luego del final de Dark Reign los jóvenes superheróes del universo Marvel tendrán la interesante oportunidad de unirse a una escuela que los ayudará a pulir sus talentos y prepararse para asumir el manto de sus predecesores cuando llegue el momento.
Se trata de Avengers Academy, un nuevo título Marvel 2010 que será escrito por Christos […]


Their other information seems to have panned out.


Bendis y Romita toman las riendas de Avengers

Escrito por James Rocaforte

Con la muerte de todos los títulos con la estampa Avengers ya confirmada, muchos se preguntaban que vendría a reemplazarlos.
Bueno, se trata simplemente de Avengers, un nuevo título mensual escrito por Brian Bendis y dibujando por John Romita Jr que debutará en Mayo. Personalmente no tengo objeciones a la presencia de Bendis ya que en […]

[Elven Johnny]

i also didnt know they were going to black them in. well i think ed on avengers should nerdgasm you enough for now.

Brubaker is always enough for a nerdgasm , but if this had been a visible shot of Beast as an Avenger, then it would have been a much more explosive nerdgasm.

Possibly even multiple nerdgasms. :D

[Andrew]

So... Is Songbird an Avenger yet?

I've always found her annoying, so hopefully not.

[juampi]

I've always found her annoying, so hopefully not.

She's not!! :-x

[Taxman]

So... Is Songbird an Avenger yet?She turned down membership at the end of the Avengers/Thuderbolts mini and she was supposedly on the cover of The Initiative #1. That's about as close as it gets.

[Andrew]

She's not!! :-x

Heh. While reading Thunderbolts #127 I was kind of disappointed that Venom didn't finish her off. ;)

[RegularJoe]

so the avengers books that were canceled are:
New Avengers
Dark Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Avengers: The Initiative

the avengers books we are currently aware of post siege are:
Avengers
Secret Avengers
the oft rumored "Avengers Academy"

will all of this be cleared up this week? or are we weeks of teases away?

[Michael Wagner]

so the avengers books that were canceled are:
New Avengers
Dark Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Avengers: The Initiative

the avengers books we are currently aware of post siege are:
Avengers
Secret Avengers
the oft rumored "Avengers Academy"

will all of this be cleared up this week? or are we weeks of teases away?

Most likely by next Tuesday.

[James W]

The forearms (the back one, especially) look to be sporting Beast's gauntlet thingys from his latest costume, though the hands and feet do suggest someone else.

I'm gonna cry foul if there's no Bendis 'n' Immonen Avengers!

[panco]

The forearms (the back one, especially) look to be sporting Beast's gauntlet thingys from his latest costume, though the hands and feet do suggest someone else.

I'm gonna cry foul if there's no Bendis 'n' Immonen Avengers!

There's no logical way this won't happen.

[rogerio]

Does anyone know if Immonen is going to draw an Avenger book?;-)

[Cth]

http://i47.tinypic.com/24nkztx.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/6fuk2e.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/nots77.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9087/1265589043462.jpg

[Marvelprince]

Does anyone know if Immonen is going to draw an Avenger book?;-)

Bendis prolly does:D

[Greygor]

I Liked these from 3 Million years (http://www.3millionyears.co.uk/?p=812)

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/33.jpg

http://www.3millionyears.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mickeyavenger.jpg

[DAVE]

Not to pick on Bartleby's post, but where the hell did "Avengers Academy" come from? I've heard it mentioned around this board as a confirmed title but nowhere else.

What's the source of "Avengers Academy" the title? I'm figuring there will be a book for the Initiative characters, but I'm wondering why the title "Avengers Academy" is thrown around as if it's a done deal.

Later
SpiderPrime
Later
SpiderPrime!

[Taxman]

Brubaker is always enough for a nerdgasm , but if this had been a visible shot of Beast as an Avenger, then it would have been a much more explosive nerdgasm.

Possibly even multiple nerdgasms. :DWere it the Beast, that might be true. But no one even knows what the hell a Secret Avenger is. New name probably means new concept, likely means new members. If it is Druid or someone equally or more innocuous, this is probably generating more interest than a complete disclosure would. At this point, no one can say "that guy sucks", "no one cares about that guy" or anything similarly detracting.

[Evan the Shaggy]

I'm guessing that the "Secret" Avengers is more of the Avengers group that has to do the "wetwork" or the "things that the Avengers team can't be seen doing". I wouldn't be surprised if this meant that a few of the Dark Avengers transfered to this new team under Steve Rogers watching them closely, ie maybe Venom, Captain Marvel, etc.

I don't see it being the Beast as the very reason he left the Xmen was due to the creation and support of X Force.

[Alpha Centauri]

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs131.snc3/17868_297762972487_6883542487_3366203_4582635_n.jp g

From Marvel's Facebook, again.

I'm thinking Cloak, inescapably so. Why would he be after redemption, though?

[Matt Jay]

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs131.snc3/17868_297762972487_6883542487_3366203_4582635_n.jp g

From Marvel's Facebook, again.

I'm thinking Cloak, inescapably so. Why would he be after redemption, though?

Please don't let it be Sentry.

[Marvelprince]

Sentry was my first thought to this

[Foolish Mortal]

Sentry was my first thought to this
Doesn't immediately make me think of Sentry, unless he's morphed into some new form after Siege.

[bartleby]

Doesn't immediately make me think of Sentry, unless he's morphed into some new form after Siege.

Looks like a guy with a cape to me. Not sure how that's a new form for the Sentry.

[Foolish Mortal]

Looks like a guy with a cape to me. Not sure how that's a new form for the Sentry.

Looks more like a cloak than a cape to me. Sentry's never worn a cloak.

[Matt Jay]

Looks more like a cloak than a cape to me. Sentry's never worn a cloak.

It's definitely Moon Knight. Not just b/c he resembles him, but because, IIRC, Deodato has an affinity for the character.

[Marvelprince]

Looks more like a cloak than a cape to me. Sentry's never worn a cloak.

While I can see it being Cloak, its not like artistic liberties haven't been taken with capes before

[Taxman]

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs131.snc3/17868_297762972487_6883542487_3366203_4582635_n.jp g

Why would he be after redemption, though?Maybe he's a big Bob Marley guy.


Please don't let it be Sentry.I am willing to go out on a limb and say that is not The Sentry.

[WhindamPryce]

It's definitely Moon Knight. Not just b/c he resembles him, but because, IIRC, Deodato has an affinity for the character.

Y'know I can see it being Moon Knight. This could be a book that showcases these "rogue" heroes, who also happen to be characters that can't support their own book for long. This would be a great place for Iron Fist, Dr. Voodoo, Hellcat, etc. Kinda like "Cable & Deadpool" but for Avengers. :)

[Marvelprince]

It's definitely Moon Knight. Not just b/c he resembles him, but because, IIRC, Deodato has an affinity for the character.

Hey good guess! Honestly I'm pretty excited just speculating on who all the characters are.

[AndrewG]

It's definitely Moon Knight. Not just b/c he resembles him, but because, IIRC, Deodato has an affinity for the character.

I was going to say that it looks like a goblin...more Hobby than Green but Moon Knight makes a lot more sense and has a similar silhoette

[Foolish Mortal]

It's definitely Moon Knight. Not just b/c he resembles him, but because, IIRC, Deodato has an affinity for the character.
Ah! Didn't think of Moon Knight! And yeah, I could see that.

[DAVE]

Cloak, or The Shroud?

[Evan the Shaggy]

I feel like Cloak has made a place for himself with the Xmen, but I'm not ruling him out.

I would love it if a new team of Avengers is put together and Spidey is asked to be a part of the shadowy secret version that gets no recoginition. Like just having that moment when he'd go, "Oh of course" would be great.

[John Drake]

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs131.snc3/17868_297762972487_6883542487_3366203_4582635_n.jp g

From Marvel's Facebook, again.

I'm thinking Cloak, inescapably so. Why would he be after redemption, though?

Moon Knight!

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

Please don't let it be Sentry.

I agree.

I want him on the regular Avengers team by Bendis and JR.

[Cth]

Scarlett Witch! :D

[GrantCalibre]

I don't know about Moon Knight... he hasn't been crossing over anywhere in the greater Marvel U, has he? Yeah he technically was an Avenger at one time, but it would be awkward and hard to explain why he suddenly decided to be a team player and join the Secret Avengers. I don't read his series, so I could be completely outdated on my MK knowledge.

[Marvelprince]

I don't know about Moon Knight... he hasn't been crossing over anywhere in the greater Marvel U, has he? Yeah he technically was an Avenger at one time, but it would be awkward and hard to explain why he suddenly decided to be a team player and join the Secret Avengers. I don't read his series, so I could be completely outdated on my MK knowledge.

Well in his new series he's trying to be a real hero again, not just a vengeful killing machine so it could work.

[Evan the Shaggy]

Also, Moon Knight's a little too insane for a group scenario.