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DAVE
11-06-2009, 05:43 AM
Well, that agonizing season has ended, thankfully. Thank you to my crosstown neighbors in the Bronx for preventing the Phillies from repeating. The World Series has ended, the weather in New York has gotten cold, Christmas commercials have started airing, and this year's class of free agents have filed. It's time for the Hot Stove!

Players may file for free agency, and teams have an exclusive 15-day period to negotiate and sign them. On November 20th, free agents can negotiate and sign with any team. The GM Meetings are set to begin Monday in Chicago.

Here's a list of Free Agents:

Catchers
Eliezer Alfonzo (31)
Brad Ausmus (41)
Paul Bako (38)
Rod Barajas (34) - Type B
Josh Bard (32)
Michael Barrett (33) - club option
Henry Blanco (38)
Ramon Castro (34)
Chris Coste (37)
Sal Fasano (38)
Toby Hall (34)
Michel Hernandez (31)
Ramon Hernandez (34) - $8.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout - Type B
Jason Kendall (36) - Type B
Jason LaRue (36)
Victor Martinez (31) - $7.7MM club option with a $250K buyout - Type A
Chad Moeller (35)
Bengie Molina (35) - Type A
Jose Molina (35)
Miguel Olivo (31) - $3.25MM mutual option - Type B
Mike Redmond (39)
Ivan Rodriguez (38) - Type B
Brian Schneider (33)
Yorvit Torrealba (31) - $4MM mutual option with a $500K buyout - Type B
Javier Valentin (34)
Jason Varitek (38) - $5MM club/$3MM player option plus incentives - Type B
Vance Wilson (37)
Gregg Zaun (39) - $2MM club option with a $500K buyout; Zaun can void option

First basemen
Rich Aurilia (38)
Jeff Bailey (31)
Wilson Betemit (28)
Hank Blalock (29)
Russell Branyan (34)
Miguel Cairo (36)
Frank Catalanotto (36)
Tony Clark (38)
Carlos Delgado (38) - Type B
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Ross Gload (34) - $2.6MM club option
Eric Hinske (32)
Nick Johnson (31) - Type B
Adam LaRoche (30) - Type B
Doug Mientkiewicz (36)
Kevin Millar (38)
Fernando Tatis (35) - Type B
Chad Tracy (30)
Daryle Ward (35)
Dmitri Young (36)

Second basemen
Ronnie Belliard (35) - Type B
Jamey Carroll (36)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Mark DeRosa (35) - Type B
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34) - Type B
Orlando Hudson (32) - Type A
Adam Kennedy (34)
Felipe Lopez (30) - Type B
Mark Loretta (38)
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Placido Polanco (34) - Type A
Luis Rodriguez (30)
Juan Uribe (31)

Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera (35) - Type A, can't be offered arbitration
Juan Castro (38)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Bobby Crosby (30)
Adam Everett (33)
Chris Gomez (39)
Alex Gonzalez (32) - $6MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Khalil Greene (30)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34) - Type B
John McDonald (35)
Luis Rodriguez (30)
Marco Scutaro (34) - Type A
Miguel Tejada (36) - Type A
Omar Vizquel (43)
Jack Wilson (32) - $8.4MM club option with a $600K buyout

Third basemen
Rich Aurilia (38)
Brian Barden (29)
Adrian Beltre (31) - Type B
Wilson Betemit (28)
Aaron Boone (37)
Craig Counsell (39)
Joe Crede (32)
Bobby Crosby (30)
Mark DeRosa (35) - Type B
Pedro Feliz (35) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Chone Figgins (32) - Type B
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Troy Glaus (33) - Type B
Adam Kennedy (34)
Mike Lamb (34)
Mark Loretta (38)
Melvin Mora (38) - Type B
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Robb Quinlan (33)
Miguel Tejada (36) - Type A
Juan Uribe (31)

Left fielders
Garret Anderson (38) - Type B
Marlon Anderson (36)
Jason Bay (31) - Type A
Emil Brown (35)
Marlon Byrd (32) - Type B
Carl Crawford (28) - $10MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout - Type B
Johnny Damon (36) - Type A
David Dellucci (36)
Cliff Floyd (37)
Matt Holliday (30) - Type A
Reed Johnson (33)
Greg Norton (37)
Wily Mo Pena (28)
Manny Ramirez (38) - $20MM player option - Type A
Dave Roberts (38)
Gary Sheffield (41)
Fernando Tatis (35) - Type B
Randy Winn (36) - Type B

Center fielders
Rick Ankiel (30)
Rocco Baldelli (28)
Marlon Byrd (32) - Type B
Mike Cameron (37) - Type B
Endy Chavez (32)
Coco Crisp (30) - $8MM club option with a $500K buyout
Darin Erstad (36)
Jeff Fiorentino (27)
Ryan Freel (34)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34) - Type B
Reed Johnson (33)
Andruw Jones (33)
Corey Patterson (30)
Scott Podsednik (34)
DeWayne Wise (32)

Right fielders
Jermaine Dye (36) - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout - Type A
Brian Giles (39) - Type B
Vladimir Guerrero (35) - Type A
Eric Hinske (32)
Geoff Jenkins (35)
Austin Kearns (30) - $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Michaels (34)
Xavier Nady (31) - Type B
Randy Winn (36) - Type B

Designated hitters
Hank Blalock (29)
Jason Giambi (39)
Ken Griffey Jr. (40)
Vladimir Guerrero (35) - Type A
Aubrey Huff (33) - Type B
Hideki Matsui (36) - Type B
Gary Sheffield (41)
Matt Stairs (42)
Mike Sweeney (36)
Jim Thome (39)

Starting pitchers
Brandon Backe (32)
Cha Seung Baek (30)
Miguel Batista (39)
Erik Bedard (31) - Type B
Kris Benson (34)
Paul Byrd (39)
Daniel Cabrera (29)
Chris Capuano (31)
Aroldis Chapman (22)
Bartolo Colon (37)
Jose Contreras (38)
Doug Davis (34) - Type B
Justin Duchscherer (32) - Type B
Adam Eaton (32)
Shawn Estes (37)
Josh Fogg (33)
Jon Garland (30) - Type B
Tom Glavine (44)
Mike Hampton (37)
Rich Harden (28) - Type B
Mark Hendrickson (36)
Livan Hernandez (35)
Rich Hill (30)
Shawn Hill (29)
Tim Hudson (34) - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Jennings (31)
Jason Johnson (36)
Randy Johnson (46) - Type B
John Lackey (31) - Type A
Cliff Lee (31) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout - Type A
Braden Looper (35) - $6.5MM mutual option with possible buyout - Type B
Rodrigo Lopez (34)
Noah Lowry (29)
Jason Marquis (31) - Type B
Pedro Martinez (38)
Eric Milton (34)
Brett Myers (29)
Vicente Padilla (32) - Type B
Carl Pavano (34) - Type B
Brad Penny (32)
Odalis Perez (33)
Andy Pettitte (38) - Type B
Joel Pineiro (31) - Type B
Sidney Ponson (33)
Mark Prior (28)
Horacio Ramirez (30)
Jason Schmidt (37)
Ben Sheets (31)
John Smoltz (43)
Brad Thompson (28)
Brett Tomko (37)
Tim Wakefield (43) - perpetual $4MM club option - Type B
Jarrod Washburn (35)
Brandon Webb (31) - $8.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout - Type B
Todd Wellemeyer (31)
Kip Wells (33)
Randy Wolf (33) - Type A

Closers
Mike Gonzalez (32) - Type A
Kevin Gregg (32) - Type A
Fernando Rodney (33) - Type B
Rafael Soriano (30) - Type A
Jose Valverde (32) - Type A
Billy Wagner (38) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout (Red Sox agreed not to exercise) - Type A

Right-handed relievers
Luis Ayala (32)
Danys Baez (32)
Joaquin Benoit (32)
Rafael Betancourt (35) - $5.4MM club option - Type A
Chad Bradford (35)
Doug Brocail (43) - Type B
Kiko Calero (35) - Type B
Buddy Carlyle (32)
Chad Cordero (28)
Elmer Dessens (38)
R.A. Dickey (35)
Brendan Donnelly (38)
Octavio Dotel (36) - Type A
Kelvim Escobar (33)
Eric Gagne (34)
Geoff Geary (33)
Dan Giese (33)
Edgar Gonzalez (27)
Tom Gordon (42)
Jason Grilli (33)
LaTroy Hawkins (37) - Type A
Matt Herges (40)
Bob Howry (36) - Type B
Jason Isringhausen (37)
Jorge Julio (31)
Masahide Kobayashi (36)
Shane Loux (30)
Brandon Lyon (30) - Type B
Gary Majewski (30)
Guillermo Mota (36) - Type B
Joe Nelson (35)
Chan Ho Park (37) - Type B
Tomo Ohka (34)
Tony Pena Jr. (29)
Joel Peralta (34)
Troy Percival (40)
J.J. Putz (33) - $9.15MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Juan Rincon (31)
Takashi Saito (40)
Duaner Sanchez (30)
Rudy Seanez (41)
Justin Speier (36)
Russ Springer (41) - Type B
Julian Tavarez (37)
Brad Thompson (28)
Luis Vizcaino (35)
David Weathers (40) - $3.7MM club option with a $400K buyout - Type B
Jeff Weaver (33)
Jamey Wright (35)
Yasuhiko Yabuta (37) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
Tyler Yates (32)

Left-handed relievers
Joe Beimel (32) - Type B
Bruce Chen (33)
Alan Embree (40) - $3MM club option with a $250K buyout
Scott Eyre (38) - Type B
Casey Fossum (32)
John Grabow (31) - Type A
Eddie Guardado (39)
Mark Hendrickson (36)
Ron Mahay (39)
Will Ohman (31) - Type B
Darren Oliver (39) - Type A
Horacio Ramirez (30)
Glendon Rusch (35)
Scott Schoeneweis (36)
Brian Shouse (41) - $1.9MM club option with a $200K buyout - Type B
Ken Takahashi (41)
Jack Taschner (32)
Ron Villone (40)
Jamie Walker (38)

Ryudo
11-06-2009, 05:47 AM
Time to play "where will Pudge go this year?"!

Doug
11-06-2009, 05:48 AM
I can see the Yankees going after Matt Holliday and Cliff Lee. Don't know if they will get either.

I also see them keeping either Damon or Matsui, but not both, and maybe neither. I think Damon is more valuable because he can still play the outfield and has two good knees.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 05:49 AM
I can see the Yankees going after Matt Holliday and Cliff Lee. Don't know if they will get either.

I also see them keeping either Damon or Matsui, but not both, and maybe neither. I think Damon is more valuable because he can still play the outfield and has two good knees.

You think the Phillies are going to trade Cliff Lee in the offseason to the Yankees?

DAVE
11-06-2009, 05:49 AM
Time to play "where will Pudge go this year?"!

That's not a game that anyone plays.

Dan
11-06-2009, 05:51 AM
Whoever the worst, most injury prone, most expensive free agent is will be going to the Mets!

ArttyG12
11-06-2009, 05:53 AM
Hermida to the Red Sox, Iwamura to the Pirates, Teahan to the White Sox!

That last one is baffling.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 06:03 AM
Reds Negotiating With Ramon Hernandez
By Mark Polishuk [November 5 at 7:49pm CST]
The Reds seem certain to decline their $8.5MM club option on catcher Ramon Hernandez for 2010 and buy the 11-year veteran out for $1MM. The only question now is whether or not Cincinnati will part ways with Hernandez or whether they'll bring him back at a more club-friendly price.

Cincinnati GM Walt Jocketty told John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer that he had met with Hernandez's agent, and gave a very neutral view of the negotiations between the team and the player: "We’ve made some progress. I don’t know if we’re close. But we’ll try to work something out.” As MLB.com's Mark Sheldon noted, the Reds could also decline Hernandez's option but offer him arbitration, thus putting themselves in line for a first-round sandwich pick if another team signed Hernandez, a Type B free agent.

Hernandez hit .258/.336/.362 in 331 plate appearances last season, appearing in 55 games behind the plate and 30 games at first base. He played in just four games after July 16 due to arthroscopic knee surgery.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 06:04 AM
Phillies Notes: Phillies undecided on extension for Lee

By Andy Martino and Jim Salisbury
Inquirer Staff Writers

NEW YORK - The Phillies have not yet decided whether to offer a contract extension to pitcher Cliff Lee this off-season, but they have discussed the possibility internally.

"Clearly, it's on our minds, but we haven't made a decision if we will yet," general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said yesterday. "Naturally, you have to think about it, but we're more focused on him pitching in this series."

The club holds a $9 million option on Lee for 2010, after which the 31-year-old lefthander will become a free agent - unless he and the Phillies agree on an extension between now and then.

Since the Phils acquired Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco from Cleveland in July for a package of minor-league players, the pitcher has become the team's ace. During the regular season, he was 7-4, with a 3.39 earned run average with the Phils. In the postseason, he is 4-0, with a 1.56 ERA.

Variables for the team to consider: Lee's age, the Phils' already high payroll, and the possibility that Lee could seek a contract comparable to the seven-year, $161 million deal the New York Yankees lavished on CC Sabathia last winter.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 06:05 AM
Carlos Delgado, Brian Schneider, and Gary Sheffield have been categorized as Type B Free Agents by Elias.

Dan
11-06-2009, 06:06 AM
Good. 3 Type B draft picks.

Ryudo
11-06-2009, 06:09 AM
Wow, I didn't know Brett Myers was up for FA this year. He is an acquaintance and a good guy. Hope if the Phillies don't keep him that he will go to a situation that is good for him.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 06:30 AM
Boom. Outta here.

Joe Kalicki
11-06-2009, 06:33 AM
Wow, I didn't know Brett Myers was up for FA this year. He is an acquaintance and a good guy. Hope if the Phillies don't keep him that he will go to a situation that is good for him.

What team treats their wife beaters the best?

DAVE
11-06-2009, 06:34 AM
What team treats their wife beaters the best?

Philadelphia, apparently.

Joe Kalicki
11-06-2009, 06:36 AM
Philadelphia, apparently.

Who has Lugo now?

yeamon
11-06-2009, 06:37 AM
As someone who emptied his FAB budget acquiring Holliday in an NL Keeper (the rule is: any player FAB'd over $25 has to remain on your roster the following season... I paid $67 for Holliday), I really, really, really hope he signs with an AL team.

ArttyG12
11-06-2009, 07:55 AM
I hear this is where we talk about how nice Myers is?

DAVE
11-06-2009, 07:57 AM
I hear this is where we talk about how nice Myers is?

I heard it from his wife.

SteveFlack
11-06-2009, 08:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQucZg0YKfo

DAVE
11-06-2009, 08:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQucZg0YKfo

Boom. Outta here.

Joe Kalicki
11-06-2009, 08:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQucZg0YKfo

That's the greatest thing I've ever seen.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 08:08 AM
Where is Buk so I can stop stealing his shtick?

ArttyG12
11-06-2009, 08:08 AM
Good. 3 Type B draft picks.

Was there a chance any of them would have been a Type A? Even more extra picks would have been nice for them. I'll bet Delgado was surprisingly close, given all the home runs in 08.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 08:12 AM
According to Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the Brewers have traded J.J. Hardy for former Met Carlos Gomez.
The Twins originally acquired Gomez in the Johan Santana trade, and scored the winning run against the Tigers that clinched the American League Central last month.

PeterSparker
11-06-2009, 08:15 AM
I just have to say, thank goodness for the MLB Network! It really helps at least fill the void somewhat during the offseason. They start their Hot Stove show next week!

Also, how great was it down the stretch that they could show pretty much any game that was of importance, or that had a great match-up. Long live the MLB Network!


(oh, and yesterday they went through all the hosts and analysts picks from the start of the season. The only one who even had the right match up, and called the winner of the WS, was Mitch Williams.)

Joe Kalicki
11-06-2009, 08:19 AM
(oh, and yesterday they went through all the hosts and analysts picks from the start of the season. The only one who even had the right match up, and called the winner of the WS, was Mitch Williams.)

Yeah, but he walked three people before he made his prediction.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 08:21 AM
Yeah, but he walked three people before he made his prediction.

That provoked an actual laugh that was out loud.

Magnum V.I.
11-06-2009, 08:30 AM
Where is Buk so I can stop stealing his shtick?

He's raising money and/or planting marijuana on all the cops and judges in San Francisco so he can blackmail Little Timmy out of trouble!

Your Pal, Carl
11-06-2009, 08:32 AM
Just 3 more months until 2010 single game tickets go on sale.

Marc Lombardi
11-06-2009, 08:39 AM
Yeah, but he walked three people before he made his prediction.
You win the internet today.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 08:40 AM
Steve Gilbert, the Diamondbacks beat reporter for MLB.com, is reporting on Twitter, says that the Diamondbacks have exercised the $8.5 million option for Brandon Webb for 2010.

ArttyG12
11-06-2009, 08:43 AM
Steve Gilbert, the Diamondbacks beat reporter for MLB.com, is reporting on Twitter, says that the Diamondbacks have exercised the $8.5 million option for Brandon Webb for 2010.

That's kind of a big deal for them, they better hope he's healthy.

Buk Was Right
11-06-2009, 08:53 AM
Where is Buk so I can stop stealing his shtick?

Boom, I'm here.

I'm rounding out my drug charge Giant's lineup:

1B: Orlando Cepeda
P: Timmy Lincecum

Who else you got?

Buk Was Right
11-06-2009, 08:54 AM
That provoked an actual laugh that was out loud.

That's an unwieldy sentence. We should find a way to shorten that sentiment about laughing out loud.

PeterSparker
11-06-2009, 08:55 AM
That provoked an actual laugh that was out loud.

ditto

DAVE
11-06-2009, 08:55 AM
That's an unwieldy sentence. We should find a way to shorten that sentiment about laughing out loud.
hmm, that has made me interested, internally.

yeamon
11-06-2009, 08:56 AM
Boom, I'm here.

I'm rounding out my drug charge Giant's lineup:

1B: Orlando Cepeda
P: Timmy Lincecum

Who else you got?

Bonds, if you can't PEDs.

yeamon
11-06-2009, 09:01 AM
According to Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the Brewers have traded J.J. Hardy for former Met Carlos Gomez.
The Twins originally acquired Gomez in the Johan Santana trade, and scored the winning run against the Tigers that clinched the American League Central last month.

I was assuming Mike Cameron was done as a Brewer anyway, considering they tried to move him to the Yanks last off season. I'd say this seals the deal this time.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 09:08 AM
I was assuming Mike Cameron was done as a Brewer anyway, considering they tried to move him to the Yanks last off season. I'd say this seals the deal this time.

Well, he's a free agent.

Doug
11-06-2009, 09:14 AM
I'm hoping the Mets come back strong and healthy next season.

I just want to see another NY team beat up on the Phillies (I was indifferent towards them until the WS, now I really only like Howard and Lee).

Bill!
11-06-2009, 10:07 AM
Not sure how I feel about the Gomez/Hardy trade. Obviously Hardy was one of the best buy low players of the year, so the Twins grabbed him at the right time, but losing one of the best defensive centerfielders in the game is rough. Although the Twins never used him properly anyway. Now if we could just figure out a way to get rid of Nick Punto.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 10:24 AM
You guys hear about Cole Hamels being in that youtube video for a promotion for the new Call of Duty, and the joke of the ad is that it spells out fag?

yeamon
11-06-2009, 10:30 AM
Well, he's a free agent.

I wonder how expensive Cameron will be. It's a foregone conclusion Bradley won't be back with the Cubs. Cameron would make a good fit in CF, moving Fukudome back to RF.

Buk Was Right
11-06-2009, 10:32 AM
You guys hear about Cole Hamels being in that youtube video for a promotion for the new Call of Duty, and the joke of the ad is that it spells out fag?

Why do you care? Are you a Phillies pitcher or something?

DAVE
11-06-2009, 10:39 AM
Why do you care? Are you a Phillies pitcher or something?

hehe, cross thread references!

I'm just sayin' regarding Cole: Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw, uhm, grenade spam.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 10:47 AM
Interesting article by Joe Poznanski on SI.com: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/11/05/yankees.payroll/index.html

Marc Lombardi
11-06-2009, 10:49 AM
Shocker: Phillies exercise $9MM option on Cliff Lee for 2010.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 10:53 AM
95-Year-Old Yankees Fan Afraid He'll Never Get To See Team Win 27 More World Series

NOVEMBER 6, 2009 | ISSUE 45•45 | ONION SPORTS


09.25.08
NEW YORK–Michael Grippo, a 95-year-old Bronx native, told reporters Wednesday that he is "worried sick" that he won't live to see the Yankees win another 27 World Series titles. "We came so close in 1955, 1960, 1976, 2001, and 2004. If we had won just one of those, that would have been 27 right there," said Grippo, adding that while he was in attendance for Tommy Henrich's walk-off homer in 1949, Don Larson's perfect game in 1956, and Mickey Mantle's game-ending home run in 1964, none of it will matter if the Yankees don't win at least another 27 World Series championships. "I'll say this, if we could take home 27 championships just one more time, my soul will rest easy." Grippo said that, if nothing else, he hoped his six children and 21 grandchildren would get to see the Yankees win just 1,396 more World Series in their lifetimes

Doug
11-06-2009, 11:04 AM
Interesting article by Joe Poznanski on SI.com: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/11/05/yankees.payroll/index.html

It was interesting.

Doug
11-06-2009, 11:05 AM
Shocker: Phillies exercise $9MM option on Cliff Lee for 2010.

Well there goes my theory of the Yankees going after him.

PeterSparker
11-06-2009, 11:29 AM
Interesting article by Joe Poznanski on SI.com: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/11/05/yankees.payroll/index.html

I read it this morning. He makes a lot of good, and obvious points. But his overall argument is largely wrong imo. To discount a good team chemistry, and spending on "good character" players, and then account every post-season outcome to sheer randomness doesn't ring true to me. He is a truly great writer and baseball columnist, but also a proud Yankee hater as well, and I think that's slanting his view a bit here. He claearly did not enjoy seeing them win, and wanted to be the voice for that fan's viewpoint, which is fine. You just can't convince me though that the Red Sox turnaround in '04 for example, and their championship in '07 didn't have a sizeable "chemistry" component for those teams. It wasn't just a random roll of the dice as he claims the post-season is. (I also don't ever remember him making such claims until now. Ever. And I've read him say essentially the opposite while writing about past WS champs, contradicting himself completely)

On the money side there is no argument about the advantage, but if he thinks having Kevin Brown in your clubhouse is the exact same as CC Sabathia based on their bank accounts, I don't buy it. And randomness seems to have served the game well based on the last 9 years.

Honestly I thought Ben Reiter's article on SI had a better, more balanced take on the money and who they spent it on, as well as the number of young home grown players who contributed to this season's success.

Your Pal, Carl
11-06-2009, 11:34 AM
Interesting article by Joe Poznanski on SI.com: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/11/05/yankees.payroll/index.html

completely true.

PeterSparker
11-06-2009, 11:50 AM
completely true.
Aside from the fact he couldn't have written a word of it just one year ago, then sure. :)

JamesV
11-06-2009, 11:54 AM
I read it this morning. He makes a lot of good, and obvious points. But his overall argument is largely wrong imo. To discount a good team chemistry, and spending on "good character" players, and then account every post-season outcome to sheer randomness doesn't ring true to me. He is a truly great writer and baseball columnist, but also a proud Yankee hater as well, and I think that's slanting his view a bit here. He claearly did not enjoy seeing them win, and wanted to be the voice for that fan's viewpoint, which is fine. You just can't convince me though that the Red Sox turnaround in '04 for example, and their championship in '07 didn't have a sizeable "chemistry" component for those teams. It wasn't just a random roll of the dice as he claims the post-season is. (I also don't ever remember him making such claims until now. Ever. And I've read him say essentially the opposite while writing about past WS champs, contradicting himself completely)

On the money side there is no argument about the advantage, but if he thinks having Kevin Brown in your clubhouse is the exact same as CC Sabathia based on their bank accounts, I don't buy it. And randomness seems to have served the game well based on the last 9 years.

Honestly I thought Ben Reiter's article on SI had a better, more balanced take on the money and who they spent it on, as well as the number of young home grown players who contributed to this season's success.

That's really my problem with the article. Almost all the individual points he makes are true, and yes they Yankees are the big beast with the big account that they can open up and shower dollars on who ever they way, but at the end of the day it matters who they shower that money on. And then you have to be able to utilize those players. Just cause you can buy someone doesn't always mean you should.

And, really, it's not like the Yankees were competing with Kansas City for Tex, CC and Burnett. They were going to land massive bloated contracts anywhere.

Mr. Dave
11-06-2009, 12:04 PM
You know what I hope happens this off-season. I hope that we get a balanced schedule. I am tired with playing the same 4 clubs for a total of 76 games. I liked when every team made two trips to Dodger Stadium a year.

I'd like to see baseball try it a couple of years. You can still have interleague play and the wild card winner is much more meaningful.

Joe Kalicki
11-06-2009, 12:05 PM
Whoever the worst, most injury prone, most expensive free agent is will be going to the Mets!

So, Vlad Guerrero to the Mets then!

Mr. Dave
11-06-2009, 12:06 PM
Boom, I'm here.

I'm rounding out my drug charge Giant's lineup:

1B: Orlando Cepeda
P: Timmy Lincecum

Who else you got?

Bonds is on trial for perjury regarding drug use. Put him in LF.

Your Pal, Carl
11-06-2009, 12:12 PM
Aside from the fact he couldn't have written a word of it just one year ago, then sure. :)

In typical Yankee ignorance you've missed or ignored his entire point.

The Yankee's dominance isn't calculated by championships. The randomness of a short series is the great equalizer which masks their dominance. Reaching the postseason year after year - a result of their spending - is a signal of their dominance. Missing out on one postseason out of 15 wouldn't have made his overall point less true.

The best team doesn't always win the World Series, but the Yankees are always among the best teams, if not the best team every year. Since 1996 they haven't won less than 90 games with the exception of 2 seasons and they've won the most games in the AL in 7 of the last 14 years.

Mr. Dave
11-06-2009, 12:16 PM
So Yankee fans. Do you think they will bring in John Lackey and Matt Holliday? Or should they get Jason Bay?

Buk Was Right
11-06-2009, 12:33 PM
Bonds is on trial for perjury regarding drug use. Put him in LF.

Ummm... I meant people who were actually guilty, not people who are being railroaded and made to be a scapegoat just because they're black.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 01:23 PM
Boom. Outta Philly

Andy Martino, in a report for the Philadelphia Inquirer, says that the Phillies will not retain Brett Myers.
Myers told Martino:
“I officially won’t be a Phillie next year.”

In eight seasons with the Phillies, noted good guy Myers went 73-63 with a 4.40 ERA in 240 games, and had numerous off-the-field issues including a verbal altercation with Cole Hamels earlier this week in the clubhouse at Yankee Stadium, and an altercation with a woman other than Hamels a couple years ago, when he committed battery against his wife.

Doug
11-06-2009, 01:27 PM
Boom. Outta Philly

Andy Martino, in a report for the Philadelphia Inquirer, says that the Phillies will not retain Brett Myers.
Myers told Martino:
“I officially won’t be a Phillie next year.”

In eight seasons with the Phillies, noted good guy Myers went 73-63 with a 4.40 ERA in 240 games, and had numerous off-the-field issues including a verbal altercation with Cole Hamels earlier this week in the clubhouse at Yankee Stadium, and an altercation with a woman other than Hamels a couple years ago, when he committed battery against his wife.

Bravo sir, bravo.

LazyComix
11-06-2009, 01:37 PM
Aside from the fact he couldn't have written a word of it just one year ago, then sure. :)

Not to mention the previous 8

PeterSparker
11-06-2009, 01:57 PM
In typical Yankee ignorance you've missed or ignored his entire point.

The Yankee's dominance isn't calculated by championships. The randomness of a short series is the great equalizer which masks their dominance. Reaching the postseason year after year - a result of their spending - is a signal of their dominance. Missing out on one postseason out of 15 wouldn't have made his overall point less true.

The best team doesn't always win the World Series, but the Yankees are always among the best teams, if not the best team every year. Since 1996 they haven't won less than 90 games with the exception of 2 seasons and they've won the most games in the AL in 7 of the last 14 years.

I don't believe I missed out due to ignorance, typical or otherwise, or by ignoring anything. I stated clearly more than once, that they have a finacial advantage. Of course they do, it's not exactly a state secret. And they are among the best teams every year, in part due to that advantage, and in part to a core of championship calibur players they developed.

For him to say that they, and other observers (some who happen to write for the same magazine and web-site he does) commenting afterward on the chemistry of this group and the importance it played in their run, makes him want to puke, doesn't make him right. Sorry. As I already said he has contradicted himself completely over and over, in column after column then by ascribing the importance of those traits to others in the game, including past WS champs (or to teams like the "plucky" Rays who fell just short). If what he's saying is "completely true" now, then the bulk of what he's been writing the last few decades is completely wrong. Thats all.

And if the post season is just a random event, whats the problem then? Someone is going to win the AL West, and the NL Central, etc, etc. If the regular season is what matters, and the rest is dumb luck, then its pretty competitive as far as individual races go. Sure, the Nationals can't spend like the Mets in their division, and that disaprity can be extrapolated to each division in each league. The Indians, White Sox, Tigers and Twins have very balanced and competitive races within their division almost every year right down to the wire. So his complaints about the regular season make even less sense to me.

SteveFlack
11-06-2009, 02:28 PM
It's a good thing most sports journalists aren't athletes. If they were, the Yankees would probably win years by default, because everyone else would just claim "not fair" in spring training and walk away.

Buk Was Right
11-06-2009, 02:43 PM
This one's for you Dave: http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7125121&topic_id=7223784

SteveFlack
11-06-2009, 02:45 PM
This one's for you Dave: http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7125121&topic_id=7223784

Fucking Spike Lee, frontrunning prick.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 03:02 PM
http://www.corbisimages.com:80/images/BE082584.jpg?size=67&uid=710D1B49-D7A1-47C2-9DD7-415F4D7DAE6A

Eison
11-06-2009, 03:13 PM
As a Yankee fan I think what they do or don't spend this offseason will be very interesting. Last offseason I remember people in the organization saying that they were going to improve but not go on a huge shopping spree. Then they went out and overpaid for 3 of the biggest free agents on the market. :lol: This year you have the experts split, half say they will break the bank again and the other half thinks they won't do much. :lol:

But even after winning the World Series is is obvious they have pitching issues. If Andy retires they certainly need to get another starter (plus decide on roles for Hughes & Joba) and considering CMW's issues the last two seasons they might think they need another starter regardless. I kind of expect them to go after John Lackey no matter what Pettitte does.

The outfield is another issue since they have Damon, Matsui, Nady, Hinske and Hairston as free agents and no need to resign all of them. I can't imagine all of them returning next year, I'd probably be shocked if 3 of them did. I'd like to see Matsui return but wouldn't be bothered with any of the others going elsewhere. As far as who the new LF might be if Damon leaves or is moved to DH because Matsui does, I'd love for Crawford not to return to the Rays and become a Yankee instead.

bstie1198
11-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Not sure how I feel about the Gomez/Hardy trade. Obviously Hardy was one of the best buy low players of the year, so the Twins grabbed him at the right time, but losing one of the best defensive centerfielders in the game is rough. Although the Twins never used him properly anyway. Now if we could just figure out a way to get rid of Nick Punto.

JJ's one of the few major leaguers I've spent some time with (met him at a charity golf thing in St Croix after his rookie year). He's a really likable guy in person. I'll be pulling for him to turn it around with the Twins this year. It might just be personal bias, but I'm thinking it was a decent trade for both teams, and the change of scenery might help out both players.

Eison
11-06-2009, 03:17 PM
I just have to say, thank goodness for the MLB Network! It really helps at least fill the void somewhat during the offseason. They start their Hot Stove show next week!

Also, how great was it down the stretch that they could show pretty much any game that was of importance, or that had a great match-up. Long live the MLB Network!


Also awesome about the MLBN is being a Yankee fan far from NYC and unable to get the Yes Network but still getting to see the parade because they had full coverage.

bstie1198
11-06-2009, 03:19 PM
As a Yankee fan I think what they do or don't spend this offseason will be very interesting. Last offseason I remember people in the organization saying that they were going to improve but not go on a huge shopping spree. Then they went out and overpaid for 3 of the biggest free agents on the market. :lol: This year you have the experts split, half say they will break the bank again and the other half thinks they won't do much. :lol:

But even after winning the World Series is is obvious they have pitching issues. If Andy retires they certainly need to get another starter (plus decide on roles for Hughes & Joba) and considering CMW's issues the last two seasons they might think they need another starter regardless. I kind of expect them to go after John Lackey no matter what Pettitte does.

The outfield is another issue since they have Damon, Matsui, Nady, Hinske and Hairston as free agents and no need to resign all of them. I can't imagine all of them returning next year, I'd probably be shocked if 3 of them did. I'd like to see Matsui return but wouldn't be bothered with any of the others going elsewhere. As far as who the new LF might be if Damon leaves or is moved to DH because Matsui does, I'd love for Crawford not to return to the Rays and become a Yankee instead.

Just a gut feeling, but I'd be pretty surprised to see either Damon or Hinske return to the Yankees.

Also, as a Red Sox fan, the thought of Crawford in the Yankees outfield gives me nightmares.

Eison
11-06-2009, 03:27 PM
Just a gut feeling, but I'd be pretty surprised to see either Damon or Hinske return to the Yankees.

Also, as a Red Sox fan, the thought of Crawford in the Yankees outfield gives me nightmares.


It would not shock me if none of the Yankees FA outfielders returned and the team got a new leftfielder and went to DH by comittee.

I honestly hope you guys resign Bay, it seems like he is a perfect fit for Boston with no reasons not to return. But then again I said exactly the same thing when Damon moved to NYC.

Buk Was Right
11-06-2009, 03:29 PM
I've been fairly indifferent about them in the past (as I am about most of the AL), but as of this season I officially hope that the entire Twins team gets fucking rickets or something.

Their whole "scrappy underdog" shtick is just fucking insufferable.

lonesomefool
11-06-2009, 03:46 PM
I've been fairly indifferent about them in the past (as I am about most of the AL), but as of this season I officially hope that the entire Twins team gets fucking rickets or something.

Their whole "scrappy underdog" shtick is just fucking insufferable.

That's the national media's problem. Not the teams fault.

Bill!
11-06-2009, 03:48 PM
That's the national media's problem. Not the teams fault.
buk just likes to indict talented players, rather than actual criminals.

lonesomefool
11-06-2009, 03:49 PM
I'm fairly positive on the Hardy/Gomez trade. I think both sides won, though I really wish it had been Young that was let go and not GoGo. That being said, the Brewers get a young CF whose game is probably better made for the NL and the Twins get a young guy who will help fill a middle infield that has been awful since the Bartlett/Castillo combo was broken up.

Buk Was Right
11-06-2009, 03:49 PM
That's the national media's problem. Not the teams fault.

Fine. The media can get rickets too then.

lonesomefool
11-06-2009, 03:51 PM
buk just likes to indict talented players, rather than actual criminals.

Seriously, I very rarely hear the "scrappy Twins team" from that many people in Minnesota. Outside of stupid, senile guys like Sid Hartman or bandwagon fans who get their baseball info from John Kruk and ESPN, most Twins fans dont go around spouting that.

Bill!
11-06-2009, 03:52 PM
Seriously, I very rarely hear the "scrappy Twins team" from that many people in Minnesota. Outside of stupid, senile guys like Sid Hartman or bandwagon fans who get their baseball info from John Kruk and ESPN, most Twins fans dont go around spouting that.

I blame it all on Ozzie Guillen and the media's obsession with anything he says.

Buk Was Right
11-06-2009, 03:55 PM
buk just likes to indict talented players, rather than actual criminals.

Nailed me again bill.

You've got me fucking wired dude.

I hope Mauer gets rickets (or shingles) most of all. Just because it'd be delicious to watch you twist and finagle some way to blame it on the Yankees.

DAVE
11-06-2009, 05:47 PM
Tim Bontemps of the New York Post says that Cuban Defector Aroldis Chapman is considering both the Yankees and Mets as possible landing spots.
Chapman’s agent, Edwin Mejia told Bontemps that his client has met with both organizations, and that the dialogue will continue, but says his client likes New York.
On October 25, Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post said that the Mets were bowing out of the Chapman sweepstakes as long as his price tag is in the $60 million range.

woljed
11-06-2009, 05:54 PM
I'm saying that the Yankees win the World Series in 6.

Jet
11-06-2009, 06:08 PM
Manny staying with the Dodgers (shocker)

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12482661/ramirez-exercises-$20m-extension-to-stay-with-dodgers

Eison
11-07-2009, 12:08 PM
Speaking of those scrappy Twins...they picked up Cuddyer's $10.5 million option for 2011.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4632132&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_4632132

ArttyG12
11-07-2009, 12:26 PM
Tim Bontemps of the New York Post says that Cuban Defector Aroldis Chapman is considering both the Yankees and Mets as possible landing spots.
Chapman’s agent, Edwin Mejia told Bontemps that his client has met with both organizations, and that the dialogue will continue, but says his client likes New York.
On October 25, Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post said that the Mets were bowing out of the Chapman sweepstakes as long as his price tag is in the $60 million range.

He likes the biggest market and the teams with the most money? No way!!

LazyComix
11-07-2009, 01:27 PM
Tim Bontemps of the New York Post says that Cuban Defector Aroldis Chapman is considering both the Yankees and Mets as possible landing spots.
Chapman’s agent, Edwin Mejia told Bontemps that his client has met with both organizations, and that the dialogue will continue, but says his client likes New York.
On October 25, Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post said that the Mets were bowing out of the Chapman sweepstakes as long as his price tag is in the $60 million range.

Cuban players make me nervous... might be the Contreras debacle a few years back though.

RebootedCorpse
11-07-2009, 01:33 PM
I can't believe the Yanks didn't buy Cliff Lee.

lonesomefool
11-07-2009, 02:41 PM
Speaking of those scrappy Twins...they picked up Cuddyer's $10.5 million option for 2011.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4632132&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_4632132

I have little problem with this. Cuddyer's defense isnt very good, outside of his arm, but he's still a pretty solid hitter. At the very least it shows the Twins are keeping their word that a new stadium would lead to an increase in payroll.

Bill!
11-07-2009, 02:51 PM
I have little problem with this. Cuddyer's defense isnt very good, outside of his arm, but he's still a pretty solid hitter. At the very least it shows the Twins are keeping their word that a new stadium would lead to an increase in payroll.

Yeah, they're looking at approaching a 90-100 million dollars this year if they sign a few more free agents.

I'm hoping they pick up either Orlando Hudson or preferably Adrian Beltre. Then I think they'd really be set. Beltre would give them an incredibly solid infield defense all around and another pop to the lineup. You'd have a batting order of:

Span, Mauer, Cuddyer, Morneau, Kubel, Beltre, Hardy, Young, Punto
That's pretty great.

Bill!
11-07-2009, 02:52 PM
Just because it'd be delicious to watch you twist and finagle some way to blame it on the Yankees.

Go ahead and find an example of that.

Bill!
11-07-2009, 02:58 PM
As he's still not getting due credit for what he did this year, it needs to be repeated that Mauer's winning of the modern triple crown is historic. No catcher in history has done it, and very few players in history have done it. Babe Ruth only did it once. Lou Gehrig only did it once. Mauer is only the 8th person to do this in the past 50 years. Everyone who did it before that, is in the Hall of Fame.

Joe Kalicki
11-07-2009, 03:00 PM
What's a modern triple crown?

Bill!
11-07-2009, 03:01 PM
What's a modern triple crown?

Batting average, OBP, and slugging. It's considered to be the greatest indicators of a batters ability and contribution.

ArttyG12
11-07-2009, 03:44 PM
Is it common to have to decide on an option a year in advance? I don't remember seeing that before. And I really wouldn't want to pay Cuddyer that much when he's 32.

AndrewG
11-07-2009, 03:59 PM
Phils resign Lee and dump Myers. It may be the greatest two moves they've made in their franchise history

Bill!
11-07-2009, 04:24 PM
Is it common to have to decide on an option a year in advance? I don't remember seeing that before. And I really wouldn't want to pay Cuddyer that much when he's 32.

I was curious about that myself. It must have been in his contract. Cuddyer has his ups and downs. He's a pretty terrible fielder, but they could use the bat in the lineup.

And its' not like Cuddyer is the only defensive liability. With Gomez now gone and it looking like the OF will be a set plan of Young, Span, and Cuddyer, its poised to be the worst defensive outfield in baseball with a young staff of flyball pitchers. It has me worried.

lonesomefool
11-08-2009, 06:36 AM
Is it common to have to decide on an option a year in advance? I don't remember seeing that before. And I really wouldn't want to pay Cuddyer that much when he's 32.

If the Twins didnt pick it up, apparently a triggered a $1 million buy-out in his contract.

It is a rather weird deal, but I'm not too worried about Cuddyer slowing down just yet. I mean a guy in his early 30's is usually still pretty productive.

lonesomefool
11-08-2009, 06:40 AM
I was curious about that myself. It must have been in his contract. Cuddyer has his ups and downs. He's a pretty terrible fielder, but they could use the bat in the lineup.

And its' not like Cuddyer is the only defensive liability. With Gomez now gone and it looking like the OF will be a set plan of Young, Span, and Cuddyer, its poised to be the worst defensive outfield in baseball with a young staff of flyball pitchers. It has me worried.

I'm only slightly concerned. I mean we played our best baseball in the two months where our outfield was made up of Young/Span/Kubel. Kubel and Cuddyer are pretty much the same in the field.

I wouldnt mind the Twins bringing in someone like a Jody Gerut though, to replace young late in games.

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 08:57 AM
If the Twins didnt pick it up, apparently a triggered a $1 million buy-out in his contract.

It is a rather weird deal, but I'm not too worried about Cuddyer slowing down just yet. I mean a guy in his early 30's is usually still pretty productive.

Wait, if they didn't pick up Cuddyer's option for 2011, did they have to buy him out for the 2010 season?

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 08:57 AM
Pitching, Speed and Defense Win Championships, Right? (http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/11/5/1111149/pitching-speed-and-defense-win)


Yankees 2009 team numbers, with MLB rank in parentheses:

Pitching

ERA: 4.28 (11th)
FIP: 4.32 (13th)

Baserunning

Stolen Bases: 111 (11th)
EqBRR: -6.4 (20th)

Defense

UZR: -17.6 (19th)
PADE: -0.39 (13th)

Hmm, not overly impressive. Let's look at some batting numbers:

wOBA: .366 (1st)
OBP: .362 (1st)
SLG: .478 (1st)
...

usagi20
11-09-2009, 09:18 AM
But what are those pitching and defense rankings for just the American League? Remember, the Yankees only had to play 18 games against National League teams.

DAVE
11-09-2009, 09:20 AM
I can't believe the Yanks didn't buy Cliff Lee.

That's not how it works.

DAVE
11-09-2009, 09:24 AM
San Diego reporter Bill Center of the Union-Tribune believes the Padres will trade 1B Adrian Gonzalez ‘sooner rather than later.’
Former Padres GM Kevin Towers recently told the Daily News, basically, it’s not a matter of will the Padres trade Gonzalez, it’s when will they trade Gonzalez.
He will earn $4.75 million in 2010 and has a team option for $5.5 million in 2011, or he can be a free agent.
However, according to Center, Gonzalez will likely earn roughly $20 million per season when he is eligible to be a free agent.
Sunday, in the Boston Globe, Nick Cafardo said, “Gonzalez has always wanted to play in a place where it matters, and for the foreseeable future, San Diego doesn’t matter.”

PeterSparker
11-09-2009, 09:28 AM
San Diego reporter Bill Center of the Union-Tribune believes the Padres will trade 1B Adrian Gonzalez ‘sooner rather than later.’
Former Padres GM Kevin Towers recently told the Daily News, basically, it’s not a matter of will the Padres trade Gonzalez, it’s when will they trade Gonzalez.
He will earn $4.75 million in 2010 and has a team option for $5.5 million in 2011, or he can be a free agent.
However, according to Center, Gonzalez will likely earn roughly $20 million per season when he is eligible to be a free agent.
Sunday, in the Boston Globe, Nick Cafardo said, “Gonzalez has always wanted to play in a place where it matters, and for the foreseeable future, San Diego doesn’t matter.”

Ron Burgandy wept.

yeamon
11-09-2009, 09:29 AM
San Diego reporter Bill Center of the Union-Tribune believes the Padres will trade 1B Adrian Gonzalez ‘sooner rather than later.’
Former Padres GM Kevin Towers recently told the Daily News, basically, it’s not a matter of will the Padres trade Gonzalez, it’s when will they trade Gonzalez.
He will earn $4.75 million in 2010 and has a team option for $5.5 million in 2011, or he can be a free agent.
However, according to Center, Gonzalez will likely earn roughly $20 million per season when he is eligible to be a free agent.
Sunday, in the Boston Globe, Nick Cafardo said, “Gonzalez has always wanted to play in a place where it matters, and for the foreseeable future, San Diego doesn’t matter.”

Would love to see what he could do in a hitter-friendly park.

DAVE
11-09-2009, 09:36 AM
Would love to see what he could do in a hitter-friendly park.
I agree. Trade him to the Mets.

LazyComix
11-09-2009, 09:45 AM
I agree. Trade him to the Mets.

or the grand canyon

SteveFlack
11-09-2009, 09:45 AM
I agree. Trade him to the Mets.

Wow, that man has such a bright future ahead of him. Why would you want to strike him down in his prime?

Marc Lombardi
11-09-2009, 09:51 AM
The Phillies declined their option on Pedro Feliz, making him a free agent. Apparently the team has one of the following players in their sights: Adrian Beltre, Chone Figgins, Mark DeRosa and possibly Miguel Tejada

I'm not in favor of Beltre or DeRosa, but Figgins may work. As much as I like Tejada's stats, I don't want a known juicer on the squad.

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-09-2009, 10:10 AM
Some of the moves from Kenny Williams and the White Sox make no sense to me unless they are trying to free up some money. The signing of Teahen and trade of Getz make no sense to me at all. I also don't know how I feel about the move of Beckham to second and I guess Scott Podsednik is pretty much gone now too.

Doug
11-09-2009, 10:17 AM
The Phillies declined their option on Pedro Feliz, making him a free agent. Apparently the team has one of the following players in their sights: Adrian Beltre, Chone Figgins, Mark DeRosa and possibly Miguel Tejada

I'm not in favor of Beltre or DeRosa, but Figgins may work. As much as I like Tejada's stats, I don't want a known juicer on the squad.

Put Matt Stairs at third.

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 10:19 AM
The Phillies declined their option on Pedro Feliz, making him a free agent. Apparently the team has one of the following players in their sights: Adrian Beltre, Chone Figgins, Mark DeRosa and possibly Miguel Tejada

I'm not in favor of Beltre or DeRosa, but Figgins may work. As much as I like Tejada's stats, I don't want a known juicer on the squad.

Figgins is a stud right now, but I'm guessing he'll be looking for at least a 4 year deal and I can't see him being anything close to worth what he'll be paid when he's 35.

Beltre's the kind of hitter I don't particularly like (decent power but doesn't get on base) but his defense could make him somewhat of a bargain.

Buk Was Right
11-09-2009, 10:21 AM
Things are not looking good for one of the Giants' top prospects: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/08/three-to-testify-against-villalona-in-murder-case-update-on-wagner-mateo/

yeamon
11-09-2009, 10:25 AM
The Phillies declined their option on Pedro Feliz, making him a free agent. Apparently the team has one of the following players in their sights: Adrian Beltre, Chone Figgins, Mark DeRosa and possibly Miguel Tejada

I'm not in favor of Beltre or DeRosa, but Figgins may work. As much as I like Tejada's stats, I don't want a known juicer on the squad.

DeRosa in that ballpark and in that lineup wouldn't be a bad thing.

Marc Lombardi
11-09-2009, 10:30 AM
Put Matt Stairs at third.
He catches the ball as hard as he can every time he's at 3rd base and then throws the ball to the first baseman as hard as he can every time there's a play.

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 10:31 AM
Mark DeRosa -
.250/.319/.433 -9
Miguel Tejada -
.313/.340/.455 -16
Pedro Feliz -
.266/.308/.386 +4
Adrian Beltre -
.265/.304/.379 +21

2009 Average/OBP/Slugging and runs +/- above average for each (Tejada was -16 at SS, not 3rd though).

I probably would have just given Feliz the 5 mill.

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 10:32 AM
He catches the ball as hard as he can every time he's at 3rd base and then throws the ball to the first baseman as hard as he can every time there's a play.

:lol:

Marc Lombardi
11-09-2009, 10:33 AM
Figgins is a stud right now, but I'm guessing he'll be looking for at least a 4 year deal and I can't see him being anything close to worth what he'll be paid when he's 35.

Beltre's the kind of hitter I don't particularly like (decent power but doesn't get on base) but his defense could make him somewhat of a bargain.

Figgins is a "name" at the moment and would cost the money but be worth it in my eyes. DeRosa is going to get overpaid by someone. Same thing with Beltre. As for Tejada, he's a great player -- but are you getting juice-freak stats or come-back-down-to-earth stats when you sign him. And if I'm signing anyone to a long-term deal (three years or more) it's someone I expect to be going upward and not downward in their career. Which is why I think Figgins is the best fit at the moment.

Marc Lombardi
11-09-2009, 10:34 AM
Mark DeRosa -.250/.319/.433 -9
Miguel Tejada -.313/.340/.455 -16
Pedro Feliz -.266/.308/.386 +4
Adrian Beltre -.265/.304/.379 +21

2009 Average/OBP/Slugging and runs +/- above average for each (Tejada was -16 at SS, not 3rd though).

I probably would have just given Feliz the 5 mill.

Where is Figgins in that group? Just curious.

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 10:36 AM
Figgins is a "name" at the moment and would cost the money but be worth it in my eyes. DeRosa is going to get overpaid by someone. Same thing with Beltre. As for Tejada, he's a great player -- but are you getting juice-freak stats or come-back-down-to-earth stats when you sign him. And if I'm signing anyone to a long-term deal (three years or more) it's someone I expect to be going upward and not downward in their career. Which is why I think Figgins is the best fit at the moment.

I agree, and he's head and shoulders above all the other options. He's coming off a legitimate MVP quality year. I just worry about his game as he ages.

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 10:39 AM
Where is Figgins in that group? Just curious.

Mark DeRosa -.250/.319/.433 -9
Miguel Tejada -.313/.340/.455 -16
Pedro Feliz -.266/.308/.386 +4
Adrian Beltre -.265/.304/.379 +21

Figgins - .298/.395/.393
+30 defensively but that's an outlier, he's closer to average+ in his career

DAVE
11-09-2009, 10:45 AM
Rays to Decide on Crawford’s Option Soon

Nov 9, 2009 2:23 pm
Joe Smith of the St. Petersburg Times believes the Rays may decide, as soon as today, whether to pick up the $10 million opinion for OF Carl Crawford.
“That move appears likely at some point, but an even bigger question is whether Crawford and the Rays can come to an agreement on an extension during the offseason,” writes Smith.

DAVE
11-09-2009, 10:51 AM
From MLB Trade Rumors:
Red Sox, Wakefield Agree to Two-Year Contract
By Mike Axisa [November 9 at 1:48pm CST]
1:48pm: WEEI.com's Alex Speier confirmed in an email that the deal is now official.

1:28pm: WEEI.com's Rob Bradford says the new deal will guarantee Wakefield $5MM ($3.5MM in 2010, $1.5MM in 2011), with incentives that could push the total value of the deal up to $7MM.

1:26pm: The Red Sox have held (and exercised) a perpetual $4MM option for knuckleballer Tim Wakefield since 2005, but now Tony Massarotti of The Boston Globe reports that the two sides are renegotiating the deal after Wakefield had surgery to remove disc fragments from his back.

Massarotti says the two sides are close to an agreement on a two-year deal with a lower base salary, but incentives that will give Wakefield the chance to earn the same money if he stays healthy. The 43-year-old has made 20+ starts for the Sox for the last seven years, and he's just 17 wins behind Roger Clemens and Cy Young for the franchise record of 192 wins.

Joe Kalicki
11-09-2009, 10:53 AM
Wakefield will pitch for the Red Sox until he's 70.

DAVE
11-09-2009, 10:53 AM
Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post writes that there are "indications" that Dan Uggla will be traded by next month's winter meetings. The 29-year-old pounds out 30+ homer seasons like they're going out of style, but he made $5.35MM in just his first year of arbitration in 2009.

Marc Lombardi
11-09-2009, 11:12 AM
Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post writes that there are "indications" that Dan Uggla will be traded by next month's winter meetings. The 29-year-old pounds out 30+ homer seasons like they're going out of style, but he made $5.35MM in just his first year of arbitration in 2009.

Can he play 3rd base? Hmmmm....

Doug
11-09-2009, 11:24 AM
Rays to Decide on Crawford’s Option Soon

Nov 9, 2009 2:23 pm
Joe Smith of the St. Petersburg Times believes the Rays may decide, as soon as today, whether to pick up the $10 million opinion for OF Carl Crawford.
“That move appears likely at some point, but an even bigger question is whether Crawford and the Rays can come to an agreement on an extension during the offseason,” writes Smith.

If Tampa doesn't keep Crawford they are run by idiots.

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 11:32 AM
Can he play 3rd base? Hmmmm....

That is an interesting proposition. His main issue at second base seems to be going to his left. That might be an issue at 3rd, but defintely less so than at second.

Eison
11-09-2009, 01:07 PM
The Red Sox picked up Martinez's option and declined Varitek's.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=4638041&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_4638041

Buk Was Right
11-09-2009, 02:09 PM
Randy Winn is available: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/09/giants-advise-randy-winn-to-seek-employment-elsewhere/

Anyone? Anyone?

ArttyG12
11-09-2009, 02:34 PM
Randy Winn is available: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/09/giants-advise-randy-winn-to-seek-employment-elsewhere/

Anyone? Anyone?

The centerpiece of the Giants world-beating offense? Count me in!

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-09-2009, 02:36 PM
Anybody have any more news on the White Sox and who they might go after if we do?

Buk Was Right
11-09-2009, 02:38 PM
The centerpiece of the Giants world-beating offense? Count me in!

He plays one hell of a right field.

He just can't...y'know... hit the ball all the way out there.

DAVE
11-09-2009, 03:35 PM
Sources: Bradley being discussed in 3-way deal
Cubs, Jays, Mets 3-Way Trade

CHICAGO - The idea, while described as a longshot, is at least one way for the Cubs to trade outfielder Milton Bradley.
Bradley to the Blue Jays. First baseman Lyle Overbay to the Mets. Second baseman Luis Castillo to the Cubs.
The teams indeed have discussed the framework of such a deal, though not in direct fashion, according to major-league sources.

The Cubs spoke to the Mets about Bradley-for-Castillo, while the Mets spoke to the Jays about Bradley-for-Overbay, sources say.

The Rays, however, remain the club most interested in Bradley, sources say, proposing an exchange of outfielder/designated hitter Pat Burrell for Bradley.

Burrell and Bradley each will make $9 million in 2010. The Cubs would need to pick up a significant portion of Bradley's $12 million salary in '11 to make a deal to work.

The three-team possibility, according to one source, has "some legs, but not much." The Jays are opposed to the deal, one source says — perhaps because new GM Alex Anthopolous does not want a trade for Bradley to be his first major move.

Still, the mere discussion of Bradley, Castillo and Overbay between the clubs offers insight into each team's thinking.

Castillo, who has two years left on his contract at $6 million per season, would add speed and on-base skills to the top of the Cubs' lineup, but is not an ideal fit. The Cubs eventually want to move Ryan Theriot to second to make room for top shortstop prospect Starlin Castro.

The Mets are in the same position they were a year ago — eager to trade Castillo and sign free-agent second baseman Orlando Hudson. The additions of both Hudson and Overbay would revamp the right side of their infield, and Overbay's line-drive stroke would play well at spacious Citi Field.

The Jays clearly are open to moving Overbay — they recently discussed sending him to the Diamondbacks for catcher Chris Snyder. A trade of Overbay would clear first base for Adam Lind, and Bradley could serve as a left fielder/DH.

The Cubs intend to move Bradley, and are willing to assume a chunk of the $21 million remaining on his contract. But they believe that there is enough interest in Bradley for them to avoid paying the vast sum that many outsiders project will be necessary to complete a deal.

Buk Was Right
11-09-2009, 03:40 PM
Things are not looking good for one of the Giants' top prospects: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/08/three-to-testify-against-villalona-in-murder-case-update-on-wagner-mateo/

I take it back... http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/09/angel-villalona-reportedly-out-on-bail-victims-family-wishes-to-drop-charges/

Does that work? Can MURDER charges be dropped by the request of the dead person's family?

Joe Kalicki
11-09-2009, 03:41 PM
I would do the first trade they offer, but of those options I'd rather have Burrell than Castillo.

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-09-2009, 03:42 PM
I take it back... http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/09/angel-villalona-reportedly-out-on-bail-victims-family-wishes-to-drop-charges/

Does that work? Can MURDER charges be dropped by the request of the dead person's family?

That is weird.

usagi20
11-09-2009, 03:57 PM
Sources: Bradley being discussed in 3-way deal
Cubs, Jays, Mets 3-Way Trade

CHICAGO - The idea, while described as a longshot, is at least one way for the Cubs to trade outfielder Milton Bradley.
Bradley to the Blue Jays. First baseman Lyle Overbay to the Mets. Second baseman Luis Castillo to the Cubs.
The teams indeed have discussed the framework of such a deal, though not in direct fashion, according to major-league sources.

The Cubs spoke to the Mets about Bradley-for-Castillo, while the Mets spoke to the Jays about Bradley-for-Overbay, sources say.

The Rays, however, remain the club most interested in Bradley, sources say, proposing an exchange of outfielder/designated hitter Pat Burrell for Bradley.

Burrell and Bradley each will make $9 million in 2010. The Cubs would need to pick up a significant portion of Bradley's $12 million salary in '11 to make a deal to work.

The three-team possibility, according to one source, has "some legs, but not much." The Jays are opposed to the deal, one source says — perhaps because new GM Alex Anthopolous does not want a trade for Bradley to be his first major move.

Still, the mere discussion of Bradley, Castillo and Overbay between the clubs offers insight into each team's thinking.

Castillo, who has two years left on his contract at $6 million per season, would add speed and on-base skills to the top of the Cubs' lineup, but is not an ideal fit. The Cubs eventually want to move Ryan Theriot to second to make room for top shortstop prospect Starlin Castro.

The Mets are in the same position they were a year ago — eager to trade Castillo and sign free-agent second baseman Orlando Hudson. The additions of both Hudson and Overbay would revamp the right side of their infield, and Overbay's line-drive stroke would play well at spacious Citi Field.

The Jays clearly are open to moving Overbay — they recently discussed sending him to the Diamondbacks for catcher Chris Snyder. A trade of Overbay would clear first base for Adam Lind, and Bradley could serve as a left fielder/DH.

The Cubs intend to move Bradley, and are willing to assume a chunk of the $21 million remaining on his contract. But they believe that there is enough interest in Bradley for them to avoid paying the vast sum that many outsiders project will be necessary to complete a deal.

Whether it's the Blue Jays or Mets, how long before they want to trade Bradley? He tends to wear out his welcome fairly quickly wherever he goes.

DAVE
11-09-2009, 03:59 PM
Whether it's the Blue Jays or Mets, how long before they want to trade Bradley? He tends to wear out his welcome fairly quickly wherever he goes.

It wouldn't be to the Mets. It would only be to the Blue Jays in this scenario.

usagi20
11-09-2009, 04:03 PM
All right. How long before he wears out his welcome with the Blue Jays?

DAVE
11-09-2009, 04:13 PM
Dude, I don't know, Canadians are crazy!!

Doug
11-10-2009, 04:54 AM
Speaking of crazy Canadians, do the Jays trade Doc this off-season?

Marc Lombardi
11-10-2009, 05:12 AM
Matt Stairs is officially hitting free agency as hard as he can.

Dan
11-10-2009, 06:10 AM
I can see the Mets somehow getting stuck with Bradley. I have that kind of faith in Omar.

JMP
11-10-2009, 08:45 AM
Speaking of crazy Canadians, do the Jays trade Doc this off-season?

Pretty sure they've all but come out to the public that they're shopping him.

Their new GM even said as much when he said Halladay's "timeline for winning" isn't the same as the team's.

ArttyG12
11-10-2009, 12:24 PM
You're not going to believe this, but the voters got a few gold glovers wrong again.

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-10-2009, 01:12 PM
Matt Stairs is officially hitting free agency as hard as he can.

:lol:

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-10-2009, 01:27 PM
You're not going to believe this, but the voters got a few gold glovers wrong again.

Who did they get wrong?

Marc Lombardi
11-10-2009, 01:41 PM
:lol:

I am going to run this joke into the ground. Beat it like a dead horse.

...as hard as I can

SteveFlack
11-10-2009, 01:48 PM
I am going to run this joke into the ground. Beat it like a dead horse.

...as hard as I can

The actual Tim McCarver quote on Matt Stairs was that he tries to hit the ball "as far as he can, with every swing".

ArttyG12
11-10-2009, 02:18 PM
Who did they get wrong?

Polanco, Jeter, Hunter and Adam Jones definitely. Arguably Teixeira.

ArttyG12
11-11-2009, 08:05 AM
Pretty cool graphic about curveballs and how they look:
http://illusioncontest.neuralcorrelate.com/2009/the-break-of-the-curveball/

Marc Lombardi
11-11-2009, 08:08 AM
Pretty cool graphic about curveballs and how they look:
http://illusioncontest.neuralcorrelate.com/2009/the-break-of-the-curveball/
Crazy!

Taxman
11-11-2009, 09:02 AM
I really don't understand why I keep hearing about some computer that says that Derek Jeter is the worst fielding player in the American League and he keeps winning these Gold Glove Awards.

It looked like Jeter made a lot of wide throws to first in the postseason, but he was accurate enough. Texteteria was a magician and seemed to be able to reel in a lot of wide throws without really coming off of the bad. Kevin Youkilis was not a magician in their first post season game and made things not look good convincing the umpires to award extra outs to the Angels.

I heard very little of ESPN's radio package of the World Series, but I caught enough of it Joe Morgan say that he wants to know whether they keep stats on fielders forcing the first baseman to extend to bring in a throw. Earlier in the postseason, Tim McCarver went into some lengthy exposition about and at the plate ritual and concluded by telling viewers that he did not know why they did it. I pointed out that McCarver has been in professional baseball for 50 years.

It is weird that I have a lot of memories of Joe Morgan as a player but none of Tim McCarver. Their careers overlapped almost completely.
(http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5375)

Doug
11-11-2009, 09:18 AM
Pretty cool graphic about curveballs and how they look:
http://illusioncontest.neuralcorrelate.com/2009/the-break-of-the-curveball/

That's pretty damn cool.

Buk Was Right
11-11-2009, 09:24 AM
Griffey's gonna take one more lap: http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091111&content_id=7652126&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea

Marc Lombardi
11-11-2009, 09:26 AM
Griffey's gonna take one more lap: http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091111&content_id=7652126&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea

Holy shit! "The Kid" is 40!?!? Man, I feel old all of a sudden.

bstie1198
11-11-2009, 09:26 AM
I really don't understand why I keep hearing about some computer that says that Derek Jeter is the worst fielding player in the American League and he keeps winning these Gold Glove Awards.

It looked like Jeter made a lot of wide throws to first in the postseason, but he was accurate enough. Texteteria was a magician and seemed to be able to reel in a lot of wide throws without really coming off of the bad. Kevin Youkilis was not a magician in their first post season game and made things not look good convincing the umpires to award extra outs to the Angels.

I heard very little of ESPN's radio package of the World Series, but I caught enough of it Joe Morgan say that he wants to know whether they keep stats on fielders forcing the first baseman to extend to bring in a throw. Earlier in the postseason, Tim McCarver went into some lengthy exposition about and at the plate ritual and concluded by telling viewers that he did not know why they did it. I pointed out that McCarver has been in professional baseball for 50 years.

It is weird that I have a lot of memories of Joe Morgan as a player but none of Tim McCarver. Their careers overlapped almost completely.
(http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5375)

The computer ratings that put Jeter at the bottom are mostly based on range, I think. These days, he gets to less balls than a majority of short stops, which is why he has such a low rating. Jeter is fairly reliable on balls he gets to, and is one of the best at getting people out with his jump throw as he runs into the outfield towards the left field foul line (his signature defensive play, and one that certainly looks "cool" in highlight reels). The wow factor and name recognition are enough for the gold glove voters, who don't seem to put much time / effort into their votes. Jeter winning is nowhere near as bad as Palmero in the year he played like 15 games in the field, but it's probably not a very accurate rating of defensive value.

ArttyG12
11-11-2009, 09:33 AM
The computer ratings that put Jeter at the bottom are mostly based on range, I think. These days, he gets to less balls than a majority of short stops, which is why he has such a low rating. Jeter is fairly reliable on balls he gets to, and is one of the best at getting people out with his jump throw as he runs into the outfield towards the left field foul line (his signature defensive play, and one that certainly looks "cool" in highlight reels). The wow factor and name recognition are enough for the gold glove voters, who don't seem to put much time / effort into their votes. Jeter winning is nowhere near as bad as Palmero in the year he played like 15 games in the field, but it's probably not a very accurate rating of defensive value.

I actually think this was Jeter's best year, and his most deserved gold glove. He wasn't even a bad choice this year, I just would have gone with Scutaro, Izturis, or Andrus, who were excellent to Jeter's good.

Leaving out Franklin Gutierrez was an embarassment.

ArttyG12
11-11-2009, 10:11 AM
The Giants are not likely to keep Molina, but that doesn't mean Buster Posey has the job
Wed Nov 11,2009 8:55 AM ET By Craig Calcaterra

Andrew Baggarly of the Mercury News says that while the Giants would welcome Bengie Molina back, they only want to give him a single year and don't want to give him a raise. Molina, on the other hand, wants more money and two years. Given that Buster Posey is waiting in the wings in San Francisco there's no reason for the Giants to make anything approaching that kind of a commitment to Molina. And of course, given the Law of Conservation of Molinas, there will always be a roster spot for Bengie someplace else, so he's as good as gone. Possibly to the Mets, Baggarly thinks.

Not that San Francisco is completely sold on Buster Posey yet. For reasons that remain totally baffling, the Giants sent him to the Arizona Fall League this year, where he has struggled mightily. This, according to ESPN's Jason Grey, is because he simply looks worn out, which is to be expected after a season behind the plate in San Jose, Fresno and San Francisco. A great season to boot, which makes one wonder why on Earth Brian Sabean feels it necessary to put more innings on the knees and back of his top prospect. The kid has nothing to prove apart from his mortality and injury recovery prowess, but I guess Sabean wants to test that stuff too.

Based on Sabean's history, it's probably also because he thinks any player under 30 is still too green to contribute at the big league level and needs some seasoning. This is consistent with Baggarly's speculation that the Giants are thinking about bringing in Pudge Rodriguez in the event Molina walks. If they do, I'd bet you an order of garlic fries and an Anchor Steam that Rodriguez, and not Posey, gets the Opening Day start.



The Giants sent Buster Posey to the Arizone Fall League??

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-11-2009, 10:12 AM
Any of you guys read that Mark Cuban is interested in buying the Dodgers?

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=4641831

Cuban 'interested, but not on a mission'

By Tim MacMahon
ESPNDallas.com
Archive
DALLAS -- Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is interested in buying a controlling share of the Los Angeles Dodgers if "the right deal" falls in place.

The Dodgers aren't for sale, but that possibility looms as owner Frank McCourt's divorce with his estranged wife, Jamie, plays out.

Cuban previously bid unsuccessfully to buy the Chicago Cubs. His interest in buying the Dodgers isn't nearly as strong.

"For the right deal, I'm always interested, but I'm not on a mission," Cuban said Tuesday. "I'll make an inquiry like I have in the other deals, then we'll see what happens. But, again, it's got to be the right deal. It's not like the Cubs situation."

Cuban's definition of "the right deal," as e-mailed to the Los Angeles Times: "I'm not a fan of debt-driven acquisitions. If a unique situation came up where I could contribute capital to buy out a majority shareholder and gain control, with existing shareholders or note holders staying in place, I would consider it."

Major League Baseball must approve the sale of any team.

Taxman
11-11-2009, 10:13 AM
Any of you guys read that Mark Cuban is interested in buying the Dodgers?The League apparently does not want him.

JMP
11-11-2009, 10:59 AM
Looks like there's a Sale going on in Detroit:


CHICAGO -- In a cost-cutting frame of mind, the Tigers have let teams now that Curtis Granderson could be had for the right package, an NL executive told The Post.

Granderson would be attractive to many teams, with the Yankees near the top of the list. They have long searched for a premium solution in center since Bernie Williams left his prime, but now they also face the loss of the lefty power of free agents Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui. Granderson hit a career-high 30 homers last year.

Brian Cashman met with Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski at the now-concluded GM Meetings, but it is not believed the two did any more than discuss needs and available players. However, the two have a good relationship and have done significant trades before, going back to when Dombrowski was in Florida and obtained Mike Lowell from the Yanks to the more recent Gary Sheffield deal and the swap of Kyle Farnsworth for Ivan Rodriguez.

The Yankees have a touted center field prospect in Austin Jackson, who could be the centerpiece for a deal, though Detroit would have a market outside of just The Bronx.

Granderson, who will play at 29 next year, is owed $25.75 million over the next three years and has an option in 2013. He is not a player that Detroit truly wants to trade and neither is the available Edwin Jackson, another player who will draw interest not just from the Yankees, but the Mets, too.

But the Tigers are supporting a top payroll in one of the cities hit hardest by the economic downturn, and they have many long-term commitments to players who are just about untradeable, including Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen, Jeremy Bonderman, Dontrelle Willis and Nate Robertson. In all, the Tigers have 10 players under control for next season at $100 million with arbitration-eligible ace Justin Verlander due a raise to about $7 million, and Jackson and Gerald Laird also in line for big raises.

Granderson does have a downside. He is terrible against lefties (.183 last year) and strikes out a ton (141 times last year) and though he steals bases (20 last year) he is not known as a strong instinctual base stealer. However, his power has blossomed in a park not nearly as becoming to a lefty hitter as Yankee Stadium and he is known as one of the most media friendly and amicable players in the game.

If negotiations for Damon do indeed grow beyond the Yankees’ parameters -- and the Yankees want to keep him at one year and Damon could be looking for as much as four -- Granderson could fill many similar qualities such as lefty power and speed while playing a more premium position. The Yankees have to be careful not to lose a vital asset in their home park, lefty power, and Damon and Matsui combined for 52 homers last year.

The only AL lefty hitters with more homers last year than Granderson’s 30 were Carlos Pena (39), Adam Lind (35) and Russell Branyan (31).
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/hardball/yankees_could_deal_for_tigers_granderson_ihbBrkhw4 ntvdRpbuw2iJJ

And


TUESDAY, 6:59pm: Fox Sports' Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal are reporting that Detroit general manager Dave Dombrowski is at least listening to (and possibly making) offers involving right-hander Edwin Jackson. Though Jackson is coming off of a breakout season and is still until Detroit's control through 2011, Morosi and Rosenthal note that payroll considerations may force the Tigers to include Jackson in trade talks.

Cot's Baseball Contracts lists Detroit as committed to paying over $100MM to ten players for next season, and Morosi and Rosenthal note that $20MM could be added to that total once arbitration raises are factored. With staff ace Justin Verlander due for free agency after 2011, the Tigers may simply not have enough money to afford to sign both Verlander and Jackson to long-term deals.

In his first season in Detroit after being dealt from Tampa Bay last winter, Jackson posted a 3.62 ERA and proved himself to be a more-than-solid number-two starter behind Verlander in the Tigers' rotation. Jackson's 5.07 ERA after the All-Star break, however, might have been enough of a red flag that the team wants to sell high on the 26-year-old while it still can.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/tigers-shopping-edwin-jackson.html

Also read they were trying to shop their catcher Laird as well.

Joe Kalicki
11-11-2009, 11:02 AM
Detroit's probably trying to free up enough money to sign Brett Myers.

They're a haven for wife beaters now, too.

Buk Was Right
11-11-2009, 02:02 PM
NL Gold Gloves are out:

2009 NL Gold Glove winners
Pos. Player Team No.
C Yadier Molina Cardinals 2
1B Adrian Gonzalez Padres 2
2B Orlando Hudson Dodgers 4
3B Ryan Zimmerman Nationals 1
SS Jimmy Rollins Phillies 3
OF Shane Victorino Phillies 2
OF Michael Bourn Astros 1
OF Matt Kemp Dodgers 1
P Adam Wainwright Cardinals 1

King of Mars
11-11-2009, 06:55 PM
Let's do a free agent prediction contest. Where are these guys gonna end up?


Bengie Molina C - NY Mets
Carlos Delgado 1B - Baltimore Orioles
Nick Johnson 1B - Atlanta Braves
Placido Polanco 2B - Chicago Cubs
Orlando Hudson 2B -NY Mets
Miguel Tejada SS - Houston Astros
Chone Figgins 3B - Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Melvin Mora 3B - Kansas City Royals
Jason Bay OF - Boston Red Sox
Matt Holliday OF - NY Yankees
Johnny Damon OF - Chicago White Sox
Mike Cameron OF - San Diego Padres
Hideki Matsui OF - Seattle Mariners
Jermaine Dye OF - Atlanta Braves
Vladimir Guerrero OF - Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Aroldis Chapman SP - NY Yankees
John Lackey SP - NY Yankees
Jason Marquis SP - NY Mets
Rich Harden SP - Philadelphia Phillies
Randy Wolf SP - Dodgers
Erik Bedard SP - Texas Rangers
Billy Wagner CP - Atlanta Braves
Rafael Soriano CP - Chicago Cubs
Jose Valverde CP - Philadelphia Phillies

SteveFlack
11-11-2009, 07:02 PM
Let's do a free agent prediction contest. Where are these guys gonna end up?


Bengie Molina C - NY Mets
Carlos Delgado 1B - Baltimore Orioles
Nick Johnson 1B - Atlanta Braves
Placido Polanco 2B - Chicago Cubs
Orlando Hudson 2B -NY Mets
Miguel Tejada SS - Houston Astros
Chone Figgins 3B - Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Melvin Mora 3B - Kansas City Royals
Jason Bay OF - Boston Red Sox
Matt Holliday OF - NY Yankees
Johnny Damon OF - Chicago White Sox
Mike Cameron OF - San Diego Padres
Hideki Matsui OF - Seattle Mariners
Jermaine Dye OF - Atlanta Braves
Vladimir Guerrero OF - Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Aroldis Chapman SP - NY Yankees
John Lackey SP - NY Yankees
Jason Marquis SP - NY Mets
Rich Harden SP - Philadelphia Phillies
Randy Wolf SP - NY Mets
Erik Bedard SP - Texas Rangers
Billy Wagner CP - Atlanta Braves
Rafael Soriano CP - Chicago Cubs
Jose Valverde CP - Philadelphia Phillies

I doubt that the Mariners would pick up Matsui, now that they have picked up Griffey for another year.

King of Mars
11-11-2009, 07:12 PM
I doubt that the Mariners would pick up Matsui, now that they have picked up Griffey for another year.I believe I saw somewhere at the end of last season that the M's were open to having Griffey back only if he would agree to take a somewhat reduced role, so he may not be the primary DH. Also, I think he and Matsui are expecting to play in the field more in 2010, so it's possible the team could get them both into the line-up for some games.

ArttyG12
11-11-2009, 07:16 PM
I believe I saw somewhere at the end of last season that the M's were open to having Griffey back only if he would agree to take a somewhat reduced role, so he may not be the primary DH. Also, I think he and Matsui are expecting to play in the field more in 2010, so it's possible the team could get them both into the line-up for some games.

I think the Mariners have seen the value of defense, especially in their park. They have the best fielding CF and RF in baseball - doubt they'd go against that with either Matsui or Griffey in the field.

I also don't see Mora to the Royals - they still need to wait on Gordon.

King of Mars
11-11-2009, 08:51 PM
I think the Mariners have seen the value of defense, especially in their park. They have the best fielding CF and RF in baseball - doubt they'd go against that with either Matsui or Griffey in the field.

I also don't see Mora to the Royals - they still need to wait on Gordon.Ehh. Mora's pretty much done. I don't know where he'll end up. I just picked a shit team out of nowhere 'cause I figured that's the sort of club he'll end up with. :)

Doug
11-12-2009, 05:17 AM
I think Figgins may end up in Philly.

Didn't Philly just release Feliz?

Zeppe
11-12-2009, 08:30 AM
leaving out franklin gutierrez was an embarassment.

qft!!

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-12-2009, 08:45 AM
I know the White Sox were thinking about trying to get Figgins, I am pretty sure we won't but that would be awesome.

JMP
11-12-2009, 08:46 AM
I know the White Sox were thinking about trying to get Figgins, I am pretty sure we won't but that would be awesome.

Can you guys even afford him at this point?

ArttyG12
11-12-2009, 08:48 AM
I know the White Sox were thinking about trying to get Figgins, I am pretty sure we won't but that would be awesome.

Do you know where they're planning on playing Teahan?

Buk Was Right
11-12-2009, 08:49 AM
Braves locked up Hudson for 3 more years.

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-12-2009, 08:52 AM
Do you know where they're planning on playing Teahan?

They are moving Beckham to second and Teahan is playing third, and I really don't know if we have enough money to go after Figgins. We recently did get rid of Dye and Podsednik is likely on his way out as well.

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-12-2009, 08:55 AM
Chicago White Sox waiting for free-agent market to evolve

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-12-white-sox-chicago-nov12,0,4177317.story?track=rss


GM Ken Williams thinks some winter bargains might be available


Ken Williams acknowledged he has a payroll number to work with.

"But I always work on changing it," the White Sox general manager said with a smile Wednesday after baseball's general managers' meetings concluded at the O'Hare Hilton.

With more than $74 million already earmarked for 12 players in 2010, Williams will try to remain creative and patient in his quest to stretch the Sox's dollars.

Receiving nearly $1.5 million from the Royals as part of a trade essentially will cover the cost of third baseman Mark Teahen's raise that will increase the Sox's cash commitments to nearly $78 million.

The Sox's payroll hovered in the mid-$90 million mark last season, and Williams has reiterated his financial resources are tight, while not disclosing his 2010 mark.

He added teams are more reluctant to trade prospects in deals similar to the trades that Williams pulled off in past years involving John Danks and Gavin Floyd.

When asked if teams have inquired about closer Bobby Jenks, Williams replied: "I'm not going to comment on that one."

As valuable as Jenks is to the Sox, he could be their biggest bargaining chip.

Jenks, 28, was one save shy of achieving his fourth consecutive 30-save season.

As a second-year arbitration-eligible player, he could earn at least $7 million.

Meanwhile, the Sox will monitor the free-agent market, particularly after teams have decided whether to offer salary arbitration to their own free agents. The Braves, for instance, have two Type A late-inning free-agent relievers in Rafael Soriano and Mike Gonzalez and might not offer salary arbitration to both on Dec. 1.

That would mean another team could sign that player after Dec. 1 without losing a high 2010 draft pick.

Williams said he is reluctant to lose a high draft pick, although the Sox will keep their first-round pick by virtue of finishing in the lower half of the overall major-league standings.

Meanwhile, Williams didn't rule out signing his own free agents, but that won't happen soon.

"I know which direction I want to go, but I can't exclude anyone," he said. "There's going to be some opportunity at the end of December or January. So you have to wait to play your hand."

Marc Lombardi
11-12-2009, 08:57 AM
Let's do a free agent prediction contest. Where are these guys gonna end up?

I'll take a crack at it

Bengie Molina C - Mets
Carlos Delgado 1B - Braves
Nick Johnson 1B - Orioles
Placido Polanco 2B - Mets
Orlando Hudson 2B -Cubs
Miguel Tejada SS - A's
Chone Figgins 3B - Phillies
Melvin Mora 3B - Royals
Jason Bay OF - Red Sox
Matt Holliday OF - Yankees
Johnny Damon OF - Angels
Mike Cameron OF - Padres
Hideki Matsui OF - Twins
Jermaine Dye OF - Braves
Vladimir Guerrero OF - Angels
Aroldis Chapman SP - Yankees
John Lackey SP - Red Sox
Jason Marquis SP - Phillies
Rich Harden SP - Braves
Randy Wolf SP - Mets
Erik Bedard SP - Rangers
Billy Wagner CP - Dodgers
Rafael Soriano CP - Cardinals
Jose Valverde CP - Phillies

LazyComix
11-12-2009, 10:28 AM
I bet the Yanks are going to take a look at Chone Figgins. Obviously he's a good player but he fits really well.. The Yanks want to DH a lot of players including Arod, and basically the entire outfield (except Melky)... Figgins and fill in at Center, left and 3rd...

and he'll lead off or bat second if they keep Jeter at lead off...

dougmac
11-12-2009, 10:39 AM
I bet the Yanks are going to take a look at Chone Figgins. Obviously he's a good player but he fits really well.. The Yanks want to DH a lot of players including Arod, and basically the entire outfield (except Melky)... Figgins and fill in at Center, left and 3rd...

and he'll lead off or bat second if they keep Jeter at lead off...

he'd actually be a perfect fit there

ArttyG12
11-12-2009, 10:54 AM
I think Figgins would be looking for a place where he can play 3rd every day - he's not really the super utility guy anymore, having played less than 10 games at any other position since 07, and he's gotten quite good at 3rd.

Doug
11-12-2009, 11:00 AM
I bet the Yanks are going to take a look at Chone Figgins. Obviously he's a good player but he fits really well.. The Yanks want to DH a lot of players including Arod, and basically the entire outfield (except Melky)... Figgins and fill in at Center, left and 3rd...

and he'll lead off or bat second if they keep Jeter at lead off...

I'd be happy if he went to Philly though.

Get him out of the AL and off of the Angels. Aside from the ALCS this year he usually kills the Yankees.

Mr. Dave
11-12-2009, 11:59 AM
I think the Angels will find a way to keep Figgins. He fits in there like almost no one and he is such a valuable part of the team. I figure they'll sign Chone and let Guerrero walk.

The Phillies so far seem to be the only competition for Figgins.
The Yankees will likely steal Lackey from the Angels.

LazyComix
11-12-2009, 01:45 PM
I think the Angels will find a way to keep Figgins. He fits in there like almost no one and he is such a valuable part of the team. I figure they'll sign Chone and let Guerrero walk.

The Phillies so far seem to be the only competition for Figgins.
The Yankees will likely steal Lackey from the Angels.

I don't want Lackey.... he's the ugliest player in sports. He can't close his mouth all the way... he's kinda like BaBaBooey.

ArttyG12
11-12-2009, 01:53 PM
I don't want Lackey.... he's the ugliest player in sports. He can't close his mouth all the way... he's kinda like BaBaBooey.

:rofl: He's so easy to hate.

JMP
11-12-2009, 04:05 PM
I don't want Lackey.... he's the ugliest player in sports. He can't close his mouth all the way... he's kinda like BaBaBooey.

I present evidence to the contrary:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4ow2Juu7nMo/SnCDPEKW27I/AAAAAAAARrU/V8gw02m26yk/s400/images_sizedimage_205160655.jpg

Poor Jack Wilson, always being outsmarted by those damn Billy Goats Gruff

Mr. Dave
11-12-2009, 04:41 PM
I am glad to see that Jim Wriggleman will be the manager of the Nats, but at the same time I feel really bad for the guy since he has had to manage such sad-sack teams as the Padres, Cubs and now the Nats. Not to mention all his bench time and interima management gigs. I think he is a guy who could shine if he had the right team.

DAVE
11-12-2009, 04:45 PM
I present evidence to the contrary:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4ow2Juu7nMo/SnCDPEKW27I/AAAAAAAARrU/V8gw02m26yk/s400/images_sizedimage_205160655.jpg

Poor Jack Wilson, always being outsmarted by those damn Billy Goats Gruff

I see your Jack Wilson, and raise you one Jorge Cantu:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/01/jorge-cantu-jc-180.jpg
He's so ugly, the first picture didn't work!

JMP
11-12-2009, 05:00 PM
I see your Jack Wilson, and raise you one Jorge Cantu:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/01/jorge-cantu-jc-180.jpg
He's so ugly, the first picture didn't work!

It's like someone shrunk his face but left the size of his normal head intact.

SteveFlack
11-12-2009, 05:10 PM
http://sugarmrpoon.com/images/placido1.jpg

How about Placido Polanco's GIGANTIC HEAD!

King of Mars
11-12-2009, 05:19 PM
Let's do a free agent prediction contest. Where are these guys gonna end up?


Bengie Molina C - NY Mets
Carlos Delgado 1B - Baltimore Orioles
Nick Johnson 1B - Atlanta Braves
Placido Polanco 2B - Chicago Cubs
Orlando Hudson 2B -NY Mets
Miguel Tejada SS - Houston Astros
Chone Figgins 3B - Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Melvin Mora 3B - Kansas City Royals
Jason Bay OF - Boston Red Sox
Matt Holliday OF - NY Yankees
Johnny Damon OF - Chicago White Sox
Mike Cameron OF - San Diego Padres
Hideki Matsui OF - Seattle Mariners
Jermaine Dye OF - Atlanta Braves
Vladimir Guerrero OF - Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Aroldis Chapman SP - NY Yankees
John Lackey SP - NY Yankees
Jason Marquis SP - NY Mets
Rich Harden SP - Philadelphia Phillies
Randy Wolf SP - Dodgers
Erik Bedard SP - Texas Rangers
Billy Wagner CP - Atlanta Braves
Rafael Soriano CP - Chicago Cubs
Jose Valverde CP - Philadelphia PhilliesI'm changing my prediction for Randy Wolf. I originally had him going to the Mets, but now I think he'll re-sign with the Dodgers.

King of Mars
11-12-2009, 05:26 PM
As far as ugly players go, ain't no one more hideous than Astros pitcher Ezequiel "Scarface" Astacio.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/10/26/PH2005102600239.jpg

King of Mars
11-12-2009, 06:55 PM
Typical Yankee suicidal breakdown.

http://deadspin.com/5403609/john-wetteland-hospitalized-for-his-mental-health

Magnum V.I.
11-12-2009, 07:58 PM
Typical Yankee suicidal breakdown.

http://deadspin.com/5403609/john-wetteland-hospitalized-for-his-mental-health

This response..


This is your fault, Mr. President. You cut funds to the Department of the Interior and we can no longer protect our Wettelands. I'm surprised he didn't go off the deep end years ago. Consider yourself lucky that we caught this early enough while he's just a bit daffy. #johnwetteland
Reply

wins the internet for the hour.

:lol:

Doug
11-13-2009, 04:29 AM
This response..



wins the internet for the hour.

:lol:

I liked this response:

Mariano Rivera actually dialed the numbers before handing Wetteland the phone.

Marc Lombardi
11-13-2009, 06:13 AM
How about Placido Polanco's GIGANTIC HEAD!

He's like Ken Griffey Jr. on that episode of The Simpsons.

King of Mars
11-13-2009, 07:10 AM
Steve Phillips' mistress is nuts.

http://deadspin.com/5403064/brooke-hundley-speaks-about-horrific-steve-phillips-affair

Mr. Dave
11-13-2009, 09:04 AM
I'm changing my prediction for Randy Wolf. I originally had him going to the Mets, but now I think he'll re-sign with the Dodgers.

I think so too. He was really a hard luck pitcher because the Dodgers never scored until late for him. If he could pitch more than 6 innings a start he would win a lot more games. Still the Dodgers will pay him a lot more for another year or two.

Keeping their own guys is about all the Dodgers are going to do this offseason.

JMP
11-13-2009, 09:10 AM
I think so too. He was really a hard luck pitcher because the Dodgers never scored until late for him. If he could pitch more than 6 innings a start he would win a lot more games. Still the Dodgers will pay him a lot more for another year or two.

Keeping their own guys is about all the Dodgers are going to do this offseason.

Right, with the whole divorce thing potentially messing up the team's finances, I'm wondering if the Dodgers simply try and lock up a few kids, make a smart trade or two, sign a pitcher the feel is underrated and would succeed with them, and try and weather the storm.

ArttyG12
11-13-2009, 09:14 AM
I think so too. He was really a hard luck pitcher because the Dodgers never scored until late for him. If he could pitch more than 6 innings a start he would win a lot more games. Still the Dodgers will pay him a lot more for another year or two.

Keeping their own guys is about all the Dodgers are going to do this offseason.

And this is why Wins and Losses tell us nothing about the quality of a pitcher.

Mr. Dave
11-13-2009, 11:25 AM
Right, with the whole divorce thing potentially messing up the team's finances, I'm wondering if the Dodgers simply try and lock up a few kids, make a smart trade or two, sign a pitcher the feel is underrated and would succeed with them, and try and weather the storm.

I think this is the plan. Last year they signed a bunch of "projects" for the pitching staff. I think they will do the same this year and hope a few more can recover. The Dodgers dropped more salary from their payroll with Schmidt finally coming off the books, but that money is all going to the core in arbitration. I would prefer they lock up Kemp and Ethier to long term deals but that will probably wait until the divorce is settled so maybe next off season.

Buk Was Right
11-13-2009, 11:37 AM
This is so amazingly awesome: The animated story of Dock Ellis's LSD fueled no-hitter. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpropaganda/dock-ellis-lsd-infused-no-hitter-ken)

Buk Was Right
11-16-2009, 08:43 AM
The economy is clearly hitting everyone heard, even video game producers.

Apparently the only person they can afford as they're cover athlete is a Tampa Bay Devil Ray: http://kotaku.com/5405186/leaked-survey-tips-off-mlb-2k10-cover-athlete

Tragic.

JamesV
11-16-2009, 08:50 AM
The red background makes me think of menstruation.

I'm not sure why.

yeamon
11-16-2009, 11:38 AM
Chicago radio (670 The Score) is reporting a rumor that a deal is nearly final to send Paul Konerko to the Angels in a 3-way deal with the Padres, where the White Sox get Adrian Gonzalez.

Buk Was Right
11-16-2009, 11:40 AM
Chicago radio (670 The Score) is reporting a rumor that a deal is nearly final to send Paul Konerko to the Angels in a 3-way deal with the Padres, where the White Sox get Adrian Gonzalez.

Adrian Gonzalez out of the NL West?

I approve this move.

yeamon
11-16-2009, 11:42 AM
Adrian Gonzalez out of the NL West?

I approve this move.

Adrian Gonzalez at US Cellular, considering what he did at PETCO?

He could hit a thousand home runs.

Joe Kalicki
11-16-2009, 11:44 AM
The Sox already have one of the best rotations in baseball. If they could get Gonzalez without breaking that up, they'll be pretty well off in their division.

ArttyG12
11-16-2009, 11:46 AM
I don't understand why the Angels would be involved - Konerko would have to DH, why not go straight for Gonzalez? I think its unlikely.

yeamon
11-16-2009, 11:47 AM
I don't understand why the Angels would be involved - Konerko would have to DH, why not go straight for Gonzalez? I think its unlikely.

Not if they move Kendry to RF to replace Vlad.

King of Mars
11-16-2009, 11:48 AM
Seems a bit weird. All Summer long, we heard that the Pads would have to blown away by a trade proposal to part with Gonzalez. Who could the Angels or Sox be offering to make this deal happen?

ArttyG12
11-16-2009, 11:58 AM
Not if they move Kendry to RF to replace Vlad.

They didn't even play him in the OF in the minors - we're talking maybe 30 games since he was drafted - I don't think there's much of a reason to think the Angels view him as an everyday OF candidate.

JMP
11-16-2009, 12:58 PM
Marlins' Chris Coghlan and the A's Andrew Bailey win Rookie of the Year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4660425

Oakland and Florida? Where are the big market rookies, damnit!?

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-16-2009, 01:00 PM
Chicago radio (670 The Score) is reporting a rumor that a deal is nearly final to send Paul Konerko to the Angels in a 3-way deal with the Padres, where the White Sox get Adrian Gonzalez.

As a White Sox fan I endorse this move.

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-16-2009, 01:12 PM
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/soxnet/2009/11/report-sox-pads-angels-talking-three-way-deal-involving-konerko-gonzalez-and-prospects.html

Report: Sox, Pads, Angels Talking Three Way Deal Involving Konerko, Gonzalez, and Prospects

SoxNet Staff on 11.16.09


SoxNet.net has learned that the Chicago White Sox have had preliminary discussions with the Anaheim Angels and San Diego Padres on a potential 3 way deal which would involve Paul Konerko, Adrian Gonzalez, and Angel and White Sox prospects. SoxNet.net is not aware of the specifics of the trade (ie, names of prospects and exact details as to how many prospects, etc) but the discussions are built on the Sox sending Konerko and prospects in-return for Adrian Gonzalez. The Angels would receive Konerko with the Padres receiving a combination of Sox and Angel prospects.

We want to re-iterate that our sources, which we consider to be very reliable, have inidcated that the teams have had preliminary discussions. In no way, shape or form, are we reporting this as a done deal or a close to done deal.



SN's Jason Gage Speculates on the trade:

Why the Sox Do it?

A deal which would land Adrian Gonzalez, without giving up Alexei Ramirez, Gordon Beckham, Gavin Floyd, or John Danks would have to be looked at as a major coup for Sox GM Ken Williams. Gonzalez, 27, would provide the Sox with a proven MVP candidate and their best offensive player since Frank Thomas' prime. A deal involving Konerko and prospects for Gonzalez would leave the club with holes, but by moving Konerko, the club would have most of the financial resources it needs to fill its remaining holes (OF, DH, and RHP). Combine Gonzalez with a healthy Quentin, Beckham, and arguably the best rotation in baseball and you are talking about a team with the core parts to not only contend for the World Series, but win it.



How Much Would it Cost?

While SoxNet has only heard Konerko's name being mentioned on the Sox side, it is safe to presume that the prospects the Sox would be sending would be a combination of the club's top prospects, as well as potentially a prospect or two from the Angels. The Padres demands would obviously start at phenom Gordon Beckham, but Ken Williams has given every indication that Beckham is off limits, so it is safe to assume that the Padres would be picking from a group of the Sox top prospects: Tyler Flowers (C), Dan Hudson (RHP), Jordan Danks (OF), Dayan Viciedo (3B/1B/DH), and Brent Morel (3B).



Flowers and Hudson would make perfect sense for the Padres, who are believed to be interested in a package of major league ready top prospects and/or up-and-coming young major leaguers. Both are knocking on the major league door and are widely considered to be amongst the league's best prospects at their respected positions. After Flowers and Hudson, the Padres would likely ask for Jordan Danks, but many believe Danks is close to untouchable due his relationship with John Danks (brother), combined with the fact that Danks would fill a major long-term need for the club (potential top of the order hitter and premium defensive OF'er). If push came to shove, I personally would put Danks in the package, but the Sox might try to sell the Padres on a combination of Brent Morel, Dayan Viciedo and a package of other minor leaguer's, which could potentially include an Angel prospect or two.



Alternative Options:

While my possibilities above focused on top prospects going to the Padres, the Sox could also put together packages which include a young, proven starter (Danks/Floyd) and/or a young, proven shortstop (Alexei Ramirez). I personally would be less interested in a package involving such players, however, the possibilities definitely exist.



Final Take:

While this deal is not imminent, it is clear that the Sox not only have a need for Adrian Gonzalez (impact, left handed hitting, middle of the order bat), but also the pieces to obtain Gonzalez. What the ultimate package would be is un-clear, but most of the theoretical packages would provide the Sox with the middle of the order bat that could put the club over the top.

King of Mars
11-16-2009, 01:16 PM
I wish the Mets were in on the Gonzalez talks. He'd be the perfect fit for them at first base. They desperately need a slugger who can pull the ball at Citi Field.

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-16-2009, 02:31 PM
I wish the Mets were in on the Gonzalez talks. He'd be the perfect fit for them at first base. They desperately need a slugger who can pull the ball at Citi Field.

Why would you want to end his career so quickly?

JMP
11-16-2009, 02:50 PM
I would think the Angels, if they wanted a 1B, would simply try to get Gonzalez himself instead of getting Konerko and moving Morales to LF. They would give up less by getting Konerko, but Gonzalez is worth so much more anyway.

Bill!
11-16-2009, 03:14 PM
Seems a bit weird. All Summer long, we heard that the Pads would have to blown away by a trade proposal to part with Gonzalez. Who could the Angels or Sox be offering to make this deal happen?

Red Sox have Hansen, Lowrie, and a few other decent options in Triple A if memory serves me.

ArttyG12
11-16-2009, 03:22 PM
Red Sox have Hansen, Lowrie, and a few other decent options in Triple A if memory serves me.

The rumor is the White Sox.

Bill!
11-16-2009, 03:23 PM
The rumor is the White Sox.
Ah. As far as I know, the White Sox have jack shit to trade.

yeamon
11-17-2009, 05:52 AM
Ah. As far as I know, the White Sox have jack shit to trade.

From what I understand, the White Sox farm system is pretty flush right now with a lot of prospects teams are interested in. I've also heard Kenny is floating either John Danks or Gavin Floyd in some possible trade scenarios.

ArttyG12
11-17-2009, 10:22 AM
Greinke!

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-17-2009, 10:44 AM
From what I understand, the White Sox farm system is pretty flush right now with a lot of prospects teams are interested in. I've also heard Kenny is floating either John Danks or Gavin Floyd in some possible trade scenarios.

I'd be okay with losing Danks, but not Floyd.

JMP
11-17-2009, 10:47 AM
From what I understand, the White Sox farm system is pretty flush right now with a lot of prospects teams are interested in. I've also heard Kenny is floating either John Danks or Gavin Floyd in some possible trade scenarios.

"Flush" might be a bit strong. Guys like Gordon Beckham would definitely be highly sought after as a young cost-controlled potential all-star middle infielder. But apparently guys like him and Jordan Danks are "untouchable" (although that last one seems more rumor than fact if John Danks really is being floated around). And after them you have mid to back Top 100 Prospects like Flowers and Hudson, who are good, but it's questionable to me if they could headline a trade for a guy like Gonzalez. Jared Mitchell can't be traded for almost another year, and I personally think Viciedo is a bit overrated. Floyd and Danks are both great trade chips though, especially in a pitcher's park like Petco.

DAVE
11-19-2009, 04:58 AM
Tonight at midnight, free agents are able to negotiate and sign new contracts with any team.

ArttyG12
11-19-2009, 06:16 AM
NL Cy Young today. I'm gonna guess Carpenter and Wainwright split the vote and Lincecum gets it, but Carpenter winning wouldn't surprise me either.

DAVE
11-19-2009, 08:58 AM
Jon Heyman of SI.com says that Jason Bay has rejected the Red Sox initial contract offer, and will head to the open market beginning tomorrow.

Doug
11-19-2009, 09:00 AM
Jon Heyman of SI.com says that Jason Bay has rejected the Red Sox initial contract offer, and will head to the open market beginning tomorrow.

I'm a little shocked by this.

ArttyG12
11-19-2009, 09:03 AM
Jon Heyman of SI.com says that Jason Bay has rejected the Red Sox initial contract offer, and will head to the open market beginning tomorrow.

I think this actually happened a while ago (or he just held off on answering the offer). Why accept an offer after the season but before seeing what other poeople will offer? During the season he could have gotten hurt, but now...

JMP
11-19-2009, 09:18 AM
I think this actually happened a while ago (or he just held off on answering the offer). Why accept an offer after the season but before seeing what other poeople will offer? During the season he could have gotten hurt, but now...

Exactly, he may like playing in Boston, but if he thinks that he can get a bit more, there's no harm in at least fielding offers from other teams. I'm sure he can always go back to the Sox if he wants to and see what kind of revised deal they're willing to offer him.

Buk Was Right
11-19-2009, 09:26 AM
Jason Bay... Playing in the Bay Area...

The marketing writes itself!

ArttyG12
11-19-2009, 09:27 AM
Jason Bay... Playing in the Bay Area...

The marketing writes itself!

His defense there would hurt, but that's the kind of bat they should target. The Giants are so close to being a really good team.

Buk Was Right
11-19-2009, 09:34 AM
His defense there would hurt, but that's the kind of bat they should target. The Giants are so close to being a really good team.

I apparently Panda and Penny are neck and neck (chin and chin) for who's losing more weight in the off season.

Side note: I'd really like to see them bring Penny back. I like that guy.

Buk Was Right
11-19-2009, 09:34 AM
Is Bay's defense atrocious? Or just not terribly strong?

LazyComix
11-19-2009, 09:35 AM
Jon Heyman of SI.com says that Jason Bay has rejected the Red Sox initial contract offer, and will head to the open market beginning tomorrow.

Good for him. Eff Boston.

PeterSparker
11-19-2009, 09:41 AM
His defense there would hurt, but that's the kind of bat they should target. The Giants are so close to being a really good team.

I read earlier in the week that the Giants might have interst in Damon if he doesn't work out something with the Yankees. And Damon is still an alright offensive player, but I was just like, come on! That's how you want to improve your offense? Sign a real bat already! With that staff, and an improved line-up, they could make the post season a couple of times over the next few seasons at the least.

Buk Was Right
11-19-2009, 09:56 AM
Comcast Sports Bay Area is reporting that Timmy won the Cy Young.

Smells fishy to me, but they wouldn't Tweet it if it wasn't true would they? WOULD THEY?

Buk Was Right
11-19-2009, 10:04 AM
Holy wow. That's official.

If I listen closely I think I can hear steam coming out of Shane's ears.

ArttyG12
11-19-2009, 10:24 AM
Lincecum 100 points, Carpenter 94, Wainwright 90. Someone left Carpenter completely off their ballot, wow.

jason hissong
11-19-2009, 10:30 AM
Sad.

Ryan_ZOOM_Turner
11-19-2009, 10:31 AM
I really thought that Carpenter would win this year.

Bill!
11-19-2009, 10:36 AM
At least the voters finally didn't give it to the worst guy with the most wins. The fact Wainwright even made it close, especially getting the most 1st place votes, is a joke.

DAVE
11-19-2009, 10:48 AM
Heyman: on WFAN, about Holliday, Bay, Lackey, etc.
By Matthew Cerrone - Nov 19, 2009 2:44 pm

Jon Heyman of SI.com recently talked with WFAN’s Mike Francesa about the MLB off season, which you can listen to here. http://www.wfan.com/pages/744503.php
Heyman believes free-agent OF Matt Holliday wants to come to New York, and might prefer to sign with the Yankees.
However, the Yankees will first look to acquire a starting pitcher.
The Mets prefer Holliday, he said, but they are OK with signing OF Jason Bay, should Holliday’s asking price remain too high. Nevertheless, Heyman feels Bay’s top choice is to stay in Boston, despite rejecting a four-year, $60 million to do so.
Heyman said the Yankees, Mariners and Angels will pursue free-agent RHP John Lackey, who the Mets, and other teams, might avoid due to health concerns with his arm.
Instead, Heyman believes the Mets are more likely to sign free-agent pitchers Randy Wolf, Joel Pineiro or Jason Marquis, then sign Lackey or trade to get Blue Jays RHP Roy Halladay.
Heyman believes free-agent Jarod Washburn will end up signing with the Mariners; free-agent Mark Mulder will sign with the Brewers; who do not want to trade Prince Fielder, they will instead try to sign Fielder to an extension.
Heyman said there is no buzz around free-agent 1B Adam LaRoche, who is not being considered by the Mets.
Instead, Heyman believes the Mets will bring in a platoon-type first baseman to split time with Daniel Murphy, because they feel 1B prospect Ike Davis is one year away from the big leagues.
Francesa said he heard the Mets intend to talk with free-agent 1B-OF Xavier Nady about filling such a role, but Heyman is skeptical of this because, from what he understands, Nady will not be 100 percent healthy and ready for Opening day.
Again, to listen to this interview, and to listen to WFAN, click here.

ArttyG12
11-19-2009, 11:55 AM
Is Bay's defense atrocious? Or just not terribly strong?

Probably somewhere in between - Fenway hides it a bit, and he was very good when he was younger/before he got hurt. But he's bad and going to keep getting worse (although probably not Bonds'ian).

Shane W
11-19-2009, 12:33 PM
At least the voters finally didn't give it to the worst guy with the most wins. The fact Wainwright even made it close, especially getting the most 1st place votes, is a joke.


Have you ever been right about anything?

Shane W
11-19-2009, 12:35 PM
Holy wow. That's official.

If I listen closely I think I can hear steam coming out of Shane's ears.

Lincecum is deserving, there's no doubt about that, but I'm more pissed at Law for having Vasquez @ #2 and Carpenter being left off the ballot.