Adam Sessler gets angry with XBOX Live Hate Speech

[woljed]

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[Kurt Russell Crowe]

The Sess is wise

[NATE!]

What a grenade spammer.

[CapnChaos]

Sadly, the 12 year olds and frat boys that talk like that aren't the listening type.

[NATE!]

Sadly, the 12 year olds and frat boys that talk like that aren't the listening type.

True, but it's not just 12 year olds and frat boys who use the word "fag."

[Buk Was Right]

True, but it's not just 12 year olds and frat boys who use the word "fag."

Please Nate PLEASE!

We have to refer to it as "that word" when we're talking about it out loud. Otherwise people are going to get offended.

[JamesV]

Please Nate PLEASE!

We have to refer to it as "that word" when we're talking about it out loud. Otherwise people are going to get offended.

Yeah that was annoying.

[NATE!]

Please Nate PLEASE!

We have to refer to it as "that word" when we're talking about it out loud. Otherwise people are going to get offended.

What, "fag?" Someone's going to get offended if I say, "fag?" I can understand if someone would get offended if I CALLED them a "fag," but to just say the word, "fag?" Come on, "fag" in and of itself with no real direction toward anyone you want to call a "fag" isn't really an insult, wouldn't you agree?

[woljed]

I just don't get why Adam says it's up to Infinity Ward to deal with the online hate speech. It's not like Infinity Ward is telling everyone to be so immature online. Isn't it more like Xbox's job to do that?

[Buk Was Right]

Also, can't they find a less high pitched beep to edit out the swears?

Ok, now I'm just being bitchy.

[mike black]

I can't watch it, but I'm assuming this is about the "Fight Against Grenade Spam" video with Cole Hammels?

If so, then Infinity Ward put that out. It's an ad for MW2 that they financed.

[woljed]

I can't watch it, but I'm assuming this is about the "Fight Against Grenade Spam" video with Cole Hammels?

If so, then Infinity Ward put that out. It's an ad for MW2 that they financed.

Yes that and also online hate speech on Xbox live.

[Briomega]

I just don't get why Adam says it's up to Infinity Ward to deal with the online hate speech. It's not like Infinity Ward is telling everyone to be so immature online. Isn't it more like Xbox's job to do that?

It is MS's job on Xbox Live and they do. They take it very seriously, too. There was an interesting speech given recently, maybe it was at PAX, where the guy who runs the department that handles such things talks about what they do.

[noble]

Just putting this out there, but is Sess gay?

I just always assumed that his introverted metro sexual ways was just a sign of the times, but he got overly offended.

Specially when he said unless you're gay you don't understand how upsetting this is.

Not that it makes a difference to me one way or another, but it just never occured to me.

[Matt Jay]

Xbox Live is a haven for racist douchebags. It's rare that I can find a Left 4 Dead group that isn't throwing around the n-word or using homosexuality as an insult. It's imposible to find a Halo 3 game where you don't hear that shit and worse thrown around. I don't argue, I just leave.

It's difficult to believe that this is just a segmented portion of the population. I'm sure many of these people don't say this stuff everywhere they go. This just provides a "safe" outlet for these people to show their real selves. It's fucked up that there's so many after a solid 50 years of progress with race relations and gay acceptance.

Microsoft needs to crack down on this. They don't need to make it completely kid-friendly, but it shouldn't be a place where it's safe to ridicule someone for their sexuality or race.

[Stark Raving]

Just putting this out there, but is Sess gay?

I just always assumed that his introverted metro sexual ways was just a sign of the times, but he got overly offended.

Specially when he said unless you're gay you don't understand how upsetting this is.

Not that it makes a difference to me one way or another, but it just never occured to me.
I believe he's married. I seem to remember him mentioning his wife on a few occasions.

[Ashwin Pande]

The first and last time I tried to play Halo 3 online this was the actual conversation I heard:

Guy1 : Haha! Pwned your gay ass!! (he actually said pwned. As in powned.)
Guy2 : Shut the fuck up fag!
Guy1 : You're a fucking fag!!
Guy2 : Your mom's a fag!!
Guy1 : Fuck you, fag!!
Guy2 : Fucking faggot!!

And that's when I logged off and never played Halo 3 online again.

[Ashwin Pande]

Xbox Live is a haven for racist douchebags. It's rare that I can find a Left 4 Dead group that isn't throwing around the n-word or using homosexuality as an insult. It's imposible to find a Halo 3 game where you don't hear that shit and worse thrown around. I don't argue, I just leave.

It's difficult to believe that this is just a segmented portion of the population. I'm sure many of these people don't say this stuff everywhere they go. This just provides a "safe" outlet for these people to show their real selves. It's fucked up that there's so many after a solid 50 years of progress with race relations and gay acceptance.

Microsoft needs to crack down on this. They don't need to make it completely kid-friendly, but it shouldn't be a place where it's safe to ridicule someone for their sexuality or race.

I don't think Microsoft can and should do anything.

If you end up in a game with idiots just log off and find another game. If you're hosting a game and idiots join then boot them out.

If idiots end up playing with idiots then fuck 'em. At least they won't be polluting the mental faculties of people that aren't idiots.

[Cth]

Xbox Live is a haven for racist douchebags. It's rare that I can find a Left 4 Dead group that isn't throwing around the n-word or using homosexuality as an insult. It's imposible to find a Halo 3 game where you don't hear that shit and worse thrown around. I don't argue, I just leave.

It's difficult to believe that this is just a segmented portion of the population. I'm sure many of these people don't say this stuff everywhere they go. This just provides a "safe" outlet for these people to show their real selves. It's fucked up that there's so many after a solid 50 years of progress with race relations and gay acceptance.

Microsoft needs to crack down on this. They don't need to make it completely kid-friendly, but it shouldn't be a place where it's safe to ridicule someone for their sexuality or race.

I think it's more of a responsibility for the players to utilize the feedback function.

Complain all you want, but if you've never sent feedback/complaints about it, in my eyes, you're just as complicit and guilty as they are.

For what it's worth PSN isn't much better, whenever you can find a game where people actually talk.

Again, the tools are there if people really cared and used them. Sadly, no one does, it's always "someone else's problem".

Logistically, there's no way for someone to be active in every game. Privacy rights advocates would freak out if there was something monitoring speech automatically.

[Matt Jay]

I think it's more of a responsibility for the players to utilize the feedback function.

Complain all you want, but if you've never sent feedback/complaints about it, in my eyes, you're just as complicit and guilty as they are.

For what it's worth PSN isn't much better, whenever you can find a game where people actually talk.

Again, the tools are there if people really cared and used them. Sadly, no one does, it's always "someone else's problem".

Logistically, there's no way for someone to be active in every game. Privacy rights advocates would freak out if there was something monitoring speech automatically.

It's not a "privacy rights" issue. Xbox Live is not a public forum. If we posted with the same language that these people use, Bendis would and should ban us. Strangely, we have not heard anything from free speech advocates.

I've used the feedback button, but it's pretty clear that microsoft does not ban using that information. It's pretty clear that there's no real repercussion at all.

[Cth]

It's not a "privacy rights" issue. Xbox Live is not a public forum. If we posted with the same language that these people use, Bendis would and should ban us. Strangely, we have not heard anything from free speech advocates.

I've used the feedback button, but it's pretty clear that microsoft does not ban using that information. It's pretty clear that there's no real repercussion at all.

If you host a private server with your friends, do you want Microsoft to hear everything you say?

THAT is what privacy rights advocates will say.

How many times have you used the feedback button?

If you seriously don't think there's repercussion, you haven't seen the forums.

How many times have you used the button? Once and given up?

[noble]

I believe he's married. I seem to remember him mentioning his wife on a few occasions.

Hmm...just seemed weird for him to take such offense to it.

I mean yeah I get the outrage, but the way he worded it seemed like he was taking it personal.

[Ashwin Pande]

Also, did no one see this week's South Park? That word refers to asshole bikers now.

[Hate_Prime]

Just want to say I passionately hate G4.

[afroloq]

Ok...this is where this whole argument ends:

Xbox live, PSN and game makers that have any games with a multiplayer component usually has this warning per ESRB:

Game Experience May Change During Online Play

That alone is your warning that once you go online you are on your own.

it's no one's 'job' per se to control gamers online except the gamers themselves.

Quite frankly if you don't want to play with the potty mouth 12 year old, frat boys etc, you have the option in most cases to party up with your friends, mute other players or just dammit don't go online...funny how this pops up with a new MW on the horizon.


Me personally, when I get a game like MW2 where I know I may go online to play, I am only playing with people I know ( a group of 5 or 6 of us) and we usually party up so we DONT have to hear that crap.

I truthfully don't spend a lot of time online in MP with strangers because I don't like hearing all of the language anyways so this issue to me is a common sense issue...if you don't like what you are seeing or hearing, change the channel.

[noble]

I ventured out into the 'wilds' of xbox live when I first had the system.

Needless to say I only game with my friends on my friends list now.

Take that as you will.

[afroloq]

I ventured out into the 'wilds' of xbox live when I first had the system.

Needless to say I only game with my friends on my friends list now.

Take that as you will.

exactly...problem solved!

[BenH]

If I'm playing with random people, I normally just mute everyone. Problem solved.

[Ashwin Pande]

If I'm playing with random people, I normally just mute everyone. Problem solved.

That's what I did in Call of Duty. It works great!

[Matt Jay]

If you host a private server with your friends, do you want Microsoft to hear everything you say?

THAT is what privacy rights advocates will say.

How many times have you used the feedback button?

If you seriously don't think there's repercussion, you haven't seen the forums.

How many times have you used the button? Once and given up?

If you're using the Xbox Live service to speak to your friends, it is not "private" for the purposes of the First Amendment. Any privacy advocate stating otherwise is an idiot first and a privacy advocate second.

I have used the feedback button many times, as recently as a few weeks ago. How many times have you used it?

[Matt Jay]

If I'm playing with random people, I normally just mute everyone. Problem solved.

You can't have a good game of LFD2 without communication. In fact, I've met and friended some cool people playing LFD2.

I'm disappointed in the "change the channel" nonsense. Many of you are taking the position that the problem rests with the person offended by hate speech, and not the person bashing gays, black people, jews, etc. Time to recalibrate your priorities.

[afroloq]

You can't have a good game of LFD2 without communication. In fact, I've met and friended some cool people playing LFD2.

I'm disappointed in the "change the channel" nonsense. Many of you are taking the position that the problem rests with the person offended by hate speech, and not the person bashing gays, black people, jews, etc. Time to recalibrate your priorities.


No..I am taking the position that you are powerless to tell someone that they can't say what they want online...See the example above on one of the posts about going back and forth...I mean if you get pissed because someone called you a name...what are you gonna do? Kick their ass?

As far as recalibrating my priorities. Bottom line...IT'S A GAME, it's not my life and it's not paying my bills. I am playing it for fun, if I can't enjoy the fun I am having, I can go elsewhere and not be botherd.

[frzamonkey]

What, "nigger?" Someone's going to get offended if I say, "nigger?" I can understand if someone would get offended if I CALLED them a "nigger," but to just say the word, "nigger?" Come on, "nigger" in and of itself with no real direction toward anyone you want to call a "nigger" isn't really an insult, wouldn't you agree?

fixed that for you.

[Cth]

If you're using the Xbox Live service to speak to your friends, it is not "private" for the purposes of the First Amendment. Any privacy advocate stating otherwise is an idiot first and a privacy advocate second.

I have used the feedback button many times, as recently as a few weeks ago. How many times have you used it?

*I* personally am not saying it's a First Amendment issue.

I will say that if you seriously don't think the EFF and other paranoid conspiracy people aren't going to freak out at the idea of Microsoft archiving EVERYTHING you say online for the purposes of autoscrubbing to look for speech patterns, you're crazy.

People are already paranoid about Microsoft as is.

It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, Microsoft wouldnt' do it because it's a PR nightmare to even suggest it. Realistically or not. They did the best they could with the options available.

As far as how many times I've used it? Plenty. Part of what I'm supposed to do as an Ambassador.

[Matt Jay]

No..I am taking the position that you are powerless to tell someone that they can't say what they want online...See the example above on one of the posts about going back and forth...I mean if you get pissed because someone called you a name...what are you gonna do? Kick their ass?

As far as recalibrating my priorities. Bottom line...IT'S A GAME, it's not my life and it's not paying my bills. I am playing it for fun, if I can't enjoy the fun I am having, I can go elsewhere and not be botherd.

It's not about calling me a name, most of the slurs and jokes aren't directed at me. That doesn't make it ok.

You are powerless to make me "change the channel" as much as you are powerless to stop them from using hate speech. So why are you directing your energy towards me instead of them? Am I more in the wrong than they are?

[frzamonkey]

*I* personally am not saying it's a First Amendment issue.

I will say that if you seriously don't think the EFF and other paranoid conspiracy people aren't going to freak out at the idea of Microsoft archiving EVERYTHING you say online for the purposes of autoscrubbing to look for speech patterns, you're crazy.

People are already paranoid about Microsoft as is.

It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, Microsoft wouldnt' do it because it's a PR nightmare to even suggest it. Realistically or not. They did the best they could with the options available.

As far as how many times I've used it? Plenty. Part of what I'm supposed to do as an Ambassador.

the solution is to ask people to be narcs. if you hear someone say it, report them every time. down rate them, block them, etc.

[afroloq]

fixed that for you.

Amen...people we have to remember that going online to play multiplayer anything is almost the same as going outside in public. The major difference is that you are dealing with faceless entities that may be hundreds or thousands of miles away...again, the ERSB gives you suffient enough of a warning of what to expect, it's up to the individual to be responsible enough to deal with it.


It's not about calling me a name, most of the slurs and jokes aren't directed at me. That doesn't make it ok.

You are powerless to make me "change the channel" as much as you are powerless to stop them from using hate speech. So why are you directing your energy towards me instead of them? Am I more in the wrong than they are?

I never said it was ok...and you are missing the point of where I am going. It's not you to tell someone to turn the channel but it's up to YOU if you can't or don't want to deal with the language online.

Me personally, I DON'T WANT TO. So rather than forcing myself to enjoy a game with mouthy lil' pricks or whine abouse said lil mouthy pricks that I have no way to shut up, I use whatever tools that I have at my disposal to minimize what I want to hear or simply steer clear and not have MY gaming experience marred.

[DAVE]

Good for him.

[Matt Jay]

Amen...people we have to remember that going online to play multiplayer anything is almost the same as going outside in public. The major difference is that you are dealing with faceless entities that may be hundreds or thousands of miles away...again, the ERSB gives you suffient enough of a warning of what to expect, it's up to the individual to be responsible enough to deal with it.

Again, Xbox Live is not public. It is private. It is not like you are stepping outside onto the sidewalk. It is like you are going to someone's house to interact with other people. It is not unreasonable to expect the homeowner to lay down and enforce some rules for conduct.

[THWIP!]

Hmm...just seemed weird for him to take such offense to it.

I mean yeah I get the outrage, but the way he worded it seemed like he was taking it personal.

Maybe he has a family member or a close friend that's Gay.

[Gunter]

Again, Xbox Live is not public. It is private. It is not like you are stepping outside onto the sidewalk. It is like you are going to someone's house to interact with other people. It is not unreasonable to expect the homeowner to lay down and enforce some rules for conduct.

Kind of like this board.

[afroloq]

Again, Xbox Live is not public. It is private. It is not like you are stepping outside onto the sidewalk. It is like you are going to someone's house to interact with other people. It is not unreasonable to expect the homeowner to lay down and enforce some rules for conduct.

Thus, that's why you have different modes...party mode for peopl eyou know vs 'open' where you hear everything.

Again the key point was "almost the same as going out in public"

The moment you go multiplayer, you are interacting with 100's of others.

Going by your example, (and it's a fair one) if I go to a house party, it's also not unreasonable to find people in their own groups who don't want others butting into their conversation.

Still, asking people to act civil IRL carries a lot more weight and a bit easier to enforce than a voice and control pad online with miles separating them.

[Wigner's Friend]

fixed that for you.

The etymology of those words are very, very different.

[Matt Jay]

Maybe he has a family member or a close friend that's Gay.

I get as upset about it as the Sess (who I usually disagree with), but I'm not gay and my gay friends are more like acquaintances. It's just basic human decency that so many reject, and that rejection is frequently, mind-blowingly excused. And in this case, it is actually encouraged by the party behind the game without bothering to hide behind anonymity. Mind-blowing.

[Foolish Mortal]

I get as upset about it as the Sess (who I usually disagree with), but I'm not gay and my gay friends are more like acquaintances. It's just basic human decency that so many reject, and that rejection is frequently, mind-blowingly excused. And in this case, it is actually encouraged by the party behind the game without bothering to hide behind anonymity. Mind-blowing.
I think there just comes a point where you hear shit everyday and you just have enough of it and blow up. I think that's what happened with Sess.

[DAVE]

He's defending gay people from hateful slurs! He must be gay!

[Matt Jay]

Thus, that's why you have different modes...party mode for peopl eyou know vs 'open' where you hear everything.

Again the key point was "almost the same as going out in public"

The moment you go multiplayer, you are interacting with 100's of others.

Going by your example, (and it's a fair one) if I go to a house party, it's also not unreasonable to find people in their own groups who don't want others butting into their conversation.

Still, asking people to act civil IRL carries a lot more weight and a bit easier to enforce than a voice and control pad online with miles separating them.

"Tt's PROBABLY too hard to enforce the rules, so..."...?

[Ben]

He's defending gay people from hateful slurs! He must be gay!What are you, some kind of video game reviewer lover?

[DAVE]

What are you, some kind of video game reviewer lover?

I'm not, but I may have a close friend or family member who is!

[Humphrey_Lee]

I ventured out into the 'wilds' of xbox live when I first had the system.

Needless to say I only game with my friends on my friends list now.

Take that as you will.


At the same time - not that I give a shit about online games, mind you, I'll be gladly playing Dragon Age all month while people are Pwnzoring on MW2 - there is probably a good segment of gamers like myself who keep "Night Owl" hours and never get to play anything online with friends. I think the last time I ever gamed with someone on my list was 11 months ago when Akira and I got in some Resistance 2 co-op. Hell, I completely stopped playing Borderlands recently because I had made it to level 23 without playing any co-op and got bored with it. So, while I get the "play just with your friends" concept and full support it, well, some of us just kind of have to be happy just to play period, and 13 year olds (Americans usually) that just do this kind of ignorance pretty much kill any minute enthusiasm I might actually have for logging in online, especially since I play so little to begin with to make it worth the effort of reporting these kinds of people.

[En Sabah Poo]

At least Sessler seems intelligent and articulate. Unlike that retard Morgan Webb. She's a fucking moron.

[Ben]

I'm not, but I may have a close friend or family member who is!My accountant reviews video games.

[frzamonkey]

The etymology of those words are very, very different.

both are hurtful slurs.
both are tossed around rather casually by those that don't understand their power and history.
when some d-bag on xbl uses the word "fag", he isn't making some sort of ironic meta-statement, using the word to diffuse it's venomous past by trivializing it, he is calling the other person a homosexual, and therefore weak and gross. if you don't think that, then you are sadly mistaken.

using words like nigger or fag or jew or cunt to cut someone down in a "non-racist/sexist" way is impossible.

[mike black]

At least Sessler seems intelligent and articulate. Unlike that retard Morgan Webb. She's a fucking moron.

Wow, really?

I admit, she's been phoning it in since the format change, but really Bill?

[Buk Was Right]

Wow, really?

I admit, she's been phoning it in since the format change, but really Bill?

Have you not read any of bill's posts before?

[THWIP!]

I get as upset about it as the Sess (who I usually disagree with), but I'm not gay and my gay friends are more like acquaintances. It's just basic human decency that so many reject, and that rejection is frequently, mind-blowingly excused. And in this case, it is actually encouraged by the party behind the game without bothering to hide behind anonymity. Mind-blowing.

I totally agree. I don't use the word, never have. It just wasn't part of my vocabulary. But I still use "That's so gay" though I've been catching myself and substituting another word. But that phrase was etched into me all through high school and even before then.

[Georgie]

I ventured out into the 'wilds' of xbox live when I first had the system.

Needless to say I only game with my friends on my friends list now.

Take that as you will.

Ditto. I really only play the multiplayer games with a bunch of friends I personally know, or people from this board. I utilize the Party Function every single time, without fail.

I play a lot of TF2, and I never bother to put on my headset. I just keep it plugged in, and turn the volume off so I can't hear even the faintest game-speak. If there's someone I play with and we "hit it off" gameplay-wise, and we add each other as friends, it's on probationary terms.

It sucks, it's offensive, but sadly, there really is no way to stop hate-speech other than to not use the headset.

Infinity Ward really fucked up with this ad. Like the Sess, I'm not going to boycott the game, as the writers, developers, and basically everyone else who actually WORKED on the game probably had nothing to do with the "F.A.G.S." ending to the "PSA", but it's really disappointing to see one of the bigger game developers to be so ignorant and drop the ball like they did. What if the acronym had spelled out "N.I.G.G. you know what"? Would they have added that to the end of the ad? Nope. It's sad how trivialized the word "fag" has become.

[Ben]

I totally agree. I don't use the word, never have. It just wasn't part of my vocabulary. But I still use "That's so gay" though I've been catching myself and substituting another word. But that phrase was etched into me all through high school and even before then.I've been substituting "gay" with "ghey."

[Georgie]

I totally agree. I don't use the word, never have. It just wasn't part of my vocabulary. But I still use "That's so gay" though I've been catching myself and substituting another word. But that phrase was etched into me all through high school and even before then.

I work with a guy that says "That's gay, man! That's so gay!" all the time, even concerning dumb, work related things. I always call him on it, and I'll reply with, "Really, I think that's so Lee (being the guys name)"

He's cut back a little, but he still says it.

[ernster]

it's already been stated, but the mute button cures so much of the problem. i have changed games to prevent playing with annoying people who never said faggot or nigger or any other slur. they were just poor players. it's going to happen. xbox live is not a private forum if anyone with money can get in at any time with no repercussions for their actions beyond a banhammer. and i have yet to see anyone get the banhammer.

[woljed]

it's already been stated, but the mute button cures so much of the problem. i have changed games to prevent playing with annoying people who never said faggot or nigger or any other slur. they were just poor players. it's going to happen. xbox live is not a private forum if anyone with money can get in at any time with no repercussions for their actions beyond a banhammer. and i have yet to see anyone get the banhammer.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft is more worried about their bottom line and banning players will affect that. That's probably why they don't ban anyone.

[ringslinger]

I'm pretty sure Microsoft is more worried about their bottom line and banning players will affect that. That's probably why they don't ban anyone.

Huh what? They ban people all the time.

http://majornelson.com/archive/2009/11/04/xbox-360-console-bans.aspx

If you are on "The TWITTER" check out @steptoe.

Cheers.

[Whip]

At least Sessler seems intelligent and articulate. Unlike that retard Morgan Webb. She's a fucking moron.

Is it because she's not hot, Bill? She seems intelligent too, far more than Olivia Munn, who is way out of place on her own show. Is Olivia a retard and a fucking moron, too?

[Cth]

I'm pretty sure Microsoft is more worried about their bottom line and banning players will affect that. That's probably why they don't ban anyone.

What he said.

If anything, they're willing to ban people moreso, since console bans would cause them to have to buy another console if they want to get online again.

As far as bottom lines goes.. they already have a small staff to handle the complaints when people DO send in feedback.

What more do people want? For them to actively go into every game? They'd need more staff. Not realistic, so they'd have to do a voice check thing, which would cost money to store all that voice chat, server time to process scrubbing, etc. Another unrealistic scenario. Not to mention the whole additional lag time doing that would cause.

Face it, what's in place now is the best solution until bandwidth/tech catches up.

[sto110]

Fag does not equal the N word

enough it just doesnt. Just like midget doesnt.

not saying it is nice to say but stop comparing it to the N word.

[Briomega]

it's already been stated, but the mute button cures so much of the problem. i have changed games to prevent playing with annoying people who never said faggot or nigger or any other slur. they were just poor players. it's going to happen. xbox live is not a private forum if anyone with money can get in at any time with no repercussions for their actions beyond a banhammer. and i have yet to see anyone get the banhammer.

You don't see it because it has to be investigated. Unless you happen to be playing a game in which an MS employee or volunteer is playing too (and they do have people playing and watching out for things), the infraction has to be reported and investigated before any bannings take place.


I'm pretty sure Microsoft is more worried about their bottom line and banning players will affect that. That's probably why they don't ban anyone.

They are more worried about people giving up their subscriptions or not purchasing games because of bad experiences. They would much rather ban the asshole making life miserable for people than lose the 20+ people that asshole annoyed.

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

Is it because she's not hot, Bill? She seems intelligent too, far more than Olivia Munn, who is way out of place on her own show. Is Olivia a retard and a fucking moron, too?

I think Morgan and Olivia are both hot. That is all I have to lend to this conversation.

[En Sabah Poo]

Wow, really?

I admit, she's been phoning it in since the format change, but really Bill?

I take it you haven't heard her go on rages about sexism in video games (while she poses half naked for FHM) or her discussion on the Tyra Banks show about how pathetic video game players are.

[frzamonkey]

Fag does not equal the N word

enough it just doesnt. Just like midget doesnt.

not saying it is nice to say but stop comparing it to the N word.

No.

i gave a reasoned response as to why i think both words are on equal footing.

feel free to refute with an argument.

[The Funketeer]

It is MS's job on Xbox Live and they do. They take it very seriously, too. There was an interesting speech given recently, maybe it was at PAX, where the guy who runs the department that handles such things talks about what they do.

I'd be curious to see that if it's online somewhere. I've written them emails in the past to complain about but I haven't noticed that it's gotten any better. I think some of the improvements they made to the system in the last big update (parties and such) made it easier to avoid those kinds of tools but I'd still like to see them banned and beaten with a RROD xBox.

[mike black]

I take it you haven't heard her go on rages about sexism in video games (while she poses half naked for FHM) or her discussion on the Tyra Banks show about how pathetic video game players are.

Ah, I didn't know. :lol:

When was this?

[The Funketeer]

Fag does not equal the N word

enough it just doesnt. Just like midget doesnt.

not saying it is nice to say but stop comparing it to the N word.

Unless you're gay, I'm not sue that's a decision you get to make.

[En Sabah Poo]

Ah, I didn't know. :lol:

When was this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdIZuu6IaQo

Apparently in her off time Morgan became a psychologist, because apparently you only play video games if you want to replace your reality, not just because you find it entertaining.

[Hate_Prime]

No.

i gave a reasoned response as to why i think both words are on equal footing.

feel free to refute with an argument.


I agree with you to an extent. Nigger and fag are just words; it's the speaker's intention; they way it's used, that gives it venom. So yeah, fag as an insult can just be as offensive to a gay recipient as nigger to a black one.

But then, since they are just words, slurs can also be used jokingly or ironically. You can laugh at them and not necessarily be a sexist or racist or whatever-ist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiIp1hCAZSY

[D-3]

Unless you're gay, I'm not sue that's a decision you get to make.

Even if somebody IS gay, that's not a decision that any one person gets to make. It's a cultural perception not an individual decision.

Going out on a limb here, but in an educated, progressive culture, the perception is that "fag" is just as bad as "nigger."

In a racist culture, "fag" is far worse than "nigger."

In a homophobic culture, "fag" is not nearly as bad as "nigger."

...Just sayin

Oh, and I suppose in a racist AND homophobic culture, they're equally harmless O_o

[Matt Jay]

Even if somebody IS gay, that's not a decision that any one person gets to make. It's a cultural perception not an individual decision.

Going out on a limb here, but in an educated, progressive culture, the perception is that "fag" is just as bad as "nigger."

In a racist culture, "fag" is far worse than "nigger."

In a homophobic culture, "fag" is not nearly as bad as "nigger."

...Just sayin

Excellent point.

[Hate_Prime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdIZuu6IaQo

Apparently in her off time Morgan became a psychologist, because apparently you only play video games if you want to replace your reality, not just because you find it entertaining.

I didn't even get to the Morgan Webb part; 10 seconds in I wanted to simultaneously puke and punch my screen. Fuck Tyra and her show and anyone who appears on that show.

[woljed]

Tyra blinks more in a second than any other regular human being. It's scary.

[Boris the Blade]

I think it is offensive, but I can understand where it's coming from sometimes.

Louis CK put it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-otAJrtY-w

[Ben]

Even if somebody IS gay, that's not a decision that any one person gets to make. It's a cultural perception not an individual decision.
Cultural perceptions are formed by individual decisions. So he's fine.

[Briomega]

I'd be curious to see that if it's online somewhere. I've written them emails in the past to complain about but I haven't noticed that it's gotten any better. I think some of the improvements they made to the system in the last big update (parties and such) made it easier to avoid those kinds of tools but I'd still like to see them banned and beaten with a RROD xBox.

It was online, yeah. I want to say it was a keynote at PAX this year but I can't be 100% certain. It wasn't that long ago, though. Kotaku did a story on it, so you might check there.

[afroloq]

Even if somebody IS gay, that's not a decision that any one person gets to make. It's a cultural perception not an individual decision.

Going out on a limb here, but in an educated, progressive culture, the perception is that "fag" is just as bad as "nigger."

In a racist culture, "fag" is far worse than "nigger."

In a homophobic culture, "fag" is not nearly as bad as "nigger."

...Just sayin

Oh, and I suppose in a racist AND homophobic culture, they're equally harmless O_o

So calling someone a 'gay nigger' is ok then huh?

Heh.

what it boils down to is that both words are perjorative and if you decide to use either or, well, whatever the consequences are, you are responsible.

Think before you speak. Ask Michael Richards and Isiah Washington

[Ashwin Pande]

Personally I don't have any problems with gay people. No homo.

[Buk Was Right]

Personally I don't have any problems with gay people. No homo.

Win!

[D-3]

Personally I don't have any problems with gay people. No homo.

Best thing I've read in at least a week.