Singer - "I want to do X-Men 4" [Archive]

mike black

10-13-2009, 08:46 AM

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i30e7feb16ddb0207f36a6111e372c2d9

BUSAN, South Korea -- Bryan Singer said Sunday that he's interested in making another "X-Men" movie and has discussed the possibility with Twentieth Century Fox.

The American director made "X-Men" and "X2: X-Men United," but passed on the third installment so he could make "Superman Returns." "Rush Hour" director Brett Ratner ended up shooting that film, "X-Men: The Last Stand." South African filmmaker Gavin Hood made another spinoff, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine," which was released earlier this year.

"I'm still looking to possibly returning to the 'X-Men' franchise. I've been talking to Fox about it," Singer said at a talk at the Pusan International Film Festival.

"I love Hugh Jackman. I love the cast," he said, referring to the Australian actor who plays Wolverine.

Singer said he enjoyed making science fiction and fantasy movies because they allowed him to discuss serious issues through entertainment. He said the "X-Men" series, which follows a group of mutants with superpowers who struggle to fit in with humans, is about tolerance and social structures.

He said he likes to "trick audiences into thinking they're seeing fireworks, but they're learning about themselves and listening to what I have to say."

"The excitement about working in science fiction and fantasy is -- the stories, if they are good, are about the human condition," Singer said.

Appearing at a panel discussion with South Korean director Kim Ji-woon, the American director also said he appreciated the creative freedom South Korean filmmakers enjoyed to make the final cut, compared to Hollywood, where directors must negotiate with studio executives.

Hollywood movie budgets are so high that "the risk is too great to leave it in the hands of a filmmaker," he said, adding that he "has a responsibility to help studios feel secure in their investments."

Singer made his name with the 1995 critically acclaimed thriller "The Usual Suspects" but later earned a strong following among comic books fans for his adaptations of popular comic book series.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)

10-13-2009, 08:49 AM

He should, but he should call it X-Men 3.

Rosemary's Baby

10-13-2009, 08:51 AM

Has he had any success outside the X-Men franchise? Did Superman or the Tom Cruise movie do well?

I wonder why he's on a panel with Kim Ji-Woon.

ERNIE_E

10-13-2009, 08:54 AM

Has he had any success outside the X-Men franchise? Did Superman or the Tom Cruise movie do well?

I wonder why he's on a panel with Kim Ji-Woon.

Usual Suspects

Apt Pupil

Brian Defferding

10-13-2009, 08:55 AM

Has he had any success outside the X-Men franchise? Did Superman or the Tom Cruise movie do well?

I wonder why he's on a panel with Kim Ji-Woon.

The Usual Suspects is one of my favorite movies of all time.

And I know I have the minority opinion on this one, but I loved the hell out of Superman Returns.

Rosemary's Baby

10-13-2009, 08:59 AM

The Usual Suspects was ruined for me so my opinion may be a little skewed, but I didn't quite understand the hype for that one.

maverick-99

10-13-2009, 09:05 AM

Fuck Singer.

James H

10-13-2009, 09:06 AM

He should, but he should call it X-Men 3.

:lol:

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)

10-13-2009, 09:08 AM

Fuck Singer.

Well, I probably am his type, but I'd rather just watch his movies. I might cuddle a bit though.

Evan the Shaggy

10-13-2009, 09:09 AM

He should, but he should call it X-Men 3.

I would really love it if he just completely negated everything that happened in Xmen 3 and make the movie that he had originally wanted to. Fucking Superman Returns.

Spidey616

10-13-2009, 09:13 AM

Wonder if he's still interested in working on an Ultimate X-Men related project.

The Hodag

10-13-2009, 09:13 AM

Well, after X-Men 3 the franchise is pretty fucked, so...yeah, I'd be game for Singer doing a "second chances" thing to try to course correct. If he blows it...well, it was already an ailing series. If not, he's the comeback kid and I'll be happy for him and for having a good X-flick.

I thought X3 was laden with problems, but it was just solid enough that I can roll with it as continuity if there were another good outing. I'd also be okay if he negated it altogether. That seems like wishful thinking, though.

jason hissong

10-13-2009, 09:21 AM

Well, I probably am his type, but I'd rather just watch his movies. I might cuddle a bit though.

:lol:

PhilipClark

10-13-2009, 09:26 AM

Fuck Singer.

Yes, this.

The Dean

10-13-2009, 09:30 AM

But is Cyclops alive!?!?

Ben

10-13-2009, 09:34 AM

Yeah, sure. What the heck.

artimoff

10-13-2009, 09:45 AM

Bring back Ratner!

Eison

10-13-2009, 09:59 AM

I don't see the point of returning him to the X-Men movie universe that he left. After X3 and the time that has passed the best thing Fox could do is reboot things. They should do X-Men First Class (which I think is in development) and then do future (non-Wolverine) X-Men movies based off that.

If he wants to revisit those characters let him direct the next Wolverine movie.

Matt Jay

10-13-2009, 10:21 AM

X3 ruined the franchise. He should've stayed instead of going to make a shit Superman movie. Let someone else reboot it.

THWIP!

10-13-2009, 10:27 AM

Wonder if he's still interested in working on an Ultimate X-Men related project.

:lol: Oh Spidey616. You make me laugh.

THWIP!

10-13-2009, 10:27 AM

I would really love it if he just completely negated everything that happened in Xmen 3 and make the movie that he had originally wanted to. Fucking Superman Returns.

This.

ZombieSpeedball

10-13-2009, 10:27 AM

Just make part of his contract a promise that he'll never again have any involvement in a Superman movie.

ValeriaK

10-13-2009, 10:29 AM

X4: The Rise of Apocalypse! I can see that... have Summers as one of the Horsemen and Sinister as another one...

Ben

10-13-2009, 10:31 AM

X4: The Rise of Apocalypse! I can see that... have Summers as one of the Horsemen and Sinister as another one...I fucking hate movies with "Rise of..." in the title. Just call it X-Men: Apocalypse if that's who it's going to feature.

ZombieSpeedball

10-13-2009, 10:33 AM

Another thing: I'd love to write X-Men 4, as I have a pretty good idea for what they can do.

mike black

10-13-2009, 10:34 AM

Matt Jay

10-13-2009, 10:36 AM

Why does everyone insist that everything has to be "rebooted" now? Seriously?

Not "everything". Just "things that are shitty but could be good."

mike black

10-13-2009, 10:38 AM

Not "everything". Just "things that are shitty but could be good."

How about "work with what you've got"?

It's not going to take long for people to go "NO MORE ORIGIN STORIES!" and shit all over the super hero genre as a whole.

Ben

10-13-2009, 10:49 AM

Why does everyone insist that everything has to be "rebooted" now? Seriously?Yeah, people are way too reboot-happy these days. Nothing's been ruined in the X-Men movies. Just because one installment was mediocre doesn't mean it's impossible to make good sequels. I say keep the continuity going.

majorjoe23

10-13-2009, 10:51 AM

I fucking hate movies with "Rise of..." in the title. Just call it X-Men: Apocalypse if that's who it's going to feature.

More movies need "The Coming of..." in the title, so I can walk by the posters at the theater and laugh.

Drkemerld73

10-13-2009, 10:56 AM

He should, but he should call it X-Men 3.

:thumb:

ZombieSpeedball

10-13-2009, 10:57 AM

X4: The Rise of Apocalypse! I can see that... have Summers as one of the Horsemen and Sinister as another one...

No way. Scott was never killed by Phoenix. He returns to lead the X-Men, and, like with the first time they beat Apocalypse, Scott blasts him with energy he was given by Phoenix.

Eison

10-13-2009, 11:07 AM

Why does everyone insist that everything has to be "rebooted" now? Seriously?

By the time a new X-Men movie came out it would be over a decade since Singer's first X-Men film. When you build a movie franchise that you want to sell toys, games and other crap with your target audience is teenagers/twenty somethings.

You reboot franchises so that you can make the cast younger, and refresh things for a new generation of shoppers.

Ben

10-13-2009, 11:09 AM

By the time a new X-Men movie came out it would be over a decade since Singer's first X-Men film. When you build a movie franchise that you want to sell toys, games and other crap with your target audience is teenagers/twenty somethings.

You reboot franchises so that you can make the cast younger, and refresh things for a new generation of shoppers.Yeah, and since they totally used up all the X-Men characters, there's no one left to cast as young and hip!

Eison

10-13-2009, 11:17 AM

Yeah, and since they totally used up all the X-Men characters, there's no one left to cast as young and hip!

Or they could just do like a day time soap and recast the roles every couple of movie so it'd be a never ending series just like the comics!

Gunter

10-13-2009, 11:31 AM

Or they could just do like a day time soap and recast the roles every couple of movie so it'd be a never ending series just like the comics!

Or James Bond

NickT

10-13-2009, 11:35 AM

No way. Scott was never killed by Phoenix. He returns to lead the X-Men, and, like with the first time they beat Apocalypse, Scott blasts him with energy he was given by Phoenix.
That wouldn't happen, it's Singer. Scott would only be there to be beaten up and get told he's wrong a lot :)

Eison

10-13-2009, 11:42 AM

Or James Bond

That is 1 character not an entire cast. But you can also argue that even that series has gone done reboots by casting different actors to play him at different points of his career.

Actually if they did X-Men First Class you could look at that the same way as Casino Royale. Maybe not a full rebooting of the franchise but simply telling the beginning of the character's story.

Matt Jay

10-13-2009, 12:12 PM

How about "work with what you've got"?

It's not going to take long for people to go "NO MORE ORIGIN STORIES!" and shit all over the super hero genre as a whole.

A reboot can occur without an origin story. Norton's Hulk proved that. Everyone knows who the X-men are now. Just drop them into some Whedon-esque fun.

A.Huerta

10-13-2009, 12:47 PM

What is he doing?

He seems to have dropped off the map.

Sam Little

10-13-2009, 12:55 PM

I'd be very happy to have Singer back on X-Men. But I had no problems with X-Men 3 either, so I don't really want a reboot. I'm hard pressed to think of what kind of story they should do though. I never liked Apocalypse and Sinister and all that garbage. Maybe Sauron and the Savage Land.

Kurt Russell Crowe

10-13-2009, 12:55 PM

A Simple Plan is also great from him. I do kind of hate him though for ditching the X-Men, causing the 3rd to suck so he could make a crappy Superman movie. And didn't he kind of shit on the characters basically saying he went to do the 'main event' or bigger characters or what not? But...if he could make something as good as the second, what the hell.

Joe Kalicki

10-13-2009, 01:00 PM

A.Huerta

10-13-2009, 01:01 PM

I didnt like his X-Men or Superman but I'm wondering if he could rock the Avengers or the Fantastic 4 movie.

The Cheap-Arse Film Critic

10-13-2009, 01:09 PM

Translation- "They won't let me do the next Superman film."

Shepherd

10-13-2009, 01:21 PM

Holy crap! I had no idea he was in Busan. I would have gone to see this discussion if I had known.

R

Caley Tibbittz

10-13-2009, 01:36 PM

Translation- "They won't let me do the next Superman film."

Which is a shame, because Returns was awesome, and a sequel would do better box office.

yeamon

10-13-2009, 01:37 PM

I don't really need another X-men movie. The last two left me empty.

But reading that article, I'd be more interested in Kim Ji-woon's vision of an X-men film. If he could make it in South Korea... with final cut...

Treacle

10-13-2009, 02:05 PM

I imagine he's doing this because the Superman thing didn't work out.

WinterRose

10-13-2009, 03:25 PM

Sure. Just ignore Ratbag's X3 and drop Halle Berry from the cast and it's an instant win situation. Unless another project comes along and he goes, "OOO SHINY!" and goes for that instead. How's all those rumours about his doing Logan's Run and another Battlestar coming? Gosh.. .have I been dreaming or something? Is it still 2002?

Pick The System!

10-13-2009, 03:32 PM

I don't know if I want X-Men movies to continue, but if they must then Singer is a debatable choice. Yeah, his work was good on the X-Men movies, but he also left them hanging for Superman Returns.

:confused:

mike black

10-13-2009, 03:38 PM

A reboot can occur without an origin story. Norton's Hulk proved that. Everyone knows who the X-men are now. Just drop them into some Whedon-esque fun.

However, there are still going to be elements of "I've never met you! I've never met you!" I mean, even the Norton Hulk had "origin" elements in it. Get up, move forward. Replace the actors if you need to, but Jesus, stop with all the reboots.

Andrew

10-13-2009, 03:45 PM

Translation- "They won't let me do the next Superman film."

Yep.

However, there are still going to be elements of "I've never met you! I've never met you!" I mean, even the Norton Hulk had "origin" elements in it. Get up, move forward. Replace the actors if you need to, but Jesus, stop with all the reboots.

No kidding! Enough with the damn reboots already!

LittleBastard

10-13-2009, 03:55 PM

If Warner is dumb enough to let Singer slip though their fingers after he delivered a masterpiece in Superman Returns (and no, I'm not pulling your leg here, its a fucking MASTERPIECE) and now that the tech is in place can give you another Superman flick cheaper and with the action you want...

Let's get him back on the X-Franchise. While I enjoyed X3 for what it was, Wolverine was a craptacular. They X-Men need a guiding hand, and who better than the best superhero director out there. Lets get Singer on board before they destroy a Magneto movie...and hell, Ian McKellen might be tied up for the next year filming the two Hobbit movies, so you better move quick to shoot some footage with him for either X4 or Magneto...

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)

10-13-2009, 04:33 PM

Yeah, people are way too reboot-happy these days. Nothing's been ruined in the X-Men movies. Just because one installment was mediocre doesn't mean it's impossible to make good sequels. I say keep the continuity going.

They didn't even need to reboot the Hulk franchise. That Ed Norton film could have so easily fit into the continuity of the first.

X-Men 4 could easily work, they just have to start treading new ground.

Matt Jay

10-13-2009, 05:14 PM

They didn't even need to reboot the Hulk franchise. That Ed Norton film could have so easily fit into the continuity of the first.

The first Hulk movie was horrible. That's the benefit of reboots. We get to ignore the crap stuff.

Caley Tibbittz

10-13-2009, 05:30 PM

If Warner is dumb enough to let Singer slip though their fingers after he delivered a masterpiece in Superman Returns (and no, I'm not pulling your leg here, its a fucking MASTERPIECE) and now that the tech is in place can give you another Superman flick cheaper and with the action you want...

Studios only understand numbers, and Returns just wasn't the megahit they expected the brand to deliver, regardless of who helmed it or what the quality was.

What's weird is that they don't see the business model of the Nolan Bat-films, with the first doing well enough but not spectacularly, and the sequel delivering a much bigger box office due to the exposure the first film gave the franchise.

A.Huerta

10-13-2009, 06:03 PM

Studios only understand numbers, and Returns just wasn't the megahit they expected the brand to deliver, regardless of who helmed it or what the quality was.

What's weird is that they don't see the business model of the Nolan Bat-films, with the first doing well enough but not spectacularly, and the sequel delivering a much bigger box office due to the exposure the first film gave the franchise.

I dont think its a good idea to compare Nolan's Batman to Singer's Superman. 2 different leagues entirely.

En Sabah Poo

10-13-2009, 06:13 PM

You know, as awesome as the first two were, I'm not sure I want him involved anymore. He bailed to make a shit DC movie. And let's not forget, he turned Cyclops, potentially a great movie character, into a fucking bitch in the movies. The N Sync part alone makes me cringe its so awful.

badpoet

10-13-2009, 07:07 PM

You could salvage the current storyline. X3 was bad, but there are certainly things you could do to make a 4th movie that was worth watching.

And, for the record, Superman Returns is a dreadful movie. Just terrible.

ZombieSpeedball

10-13-2009, 07:10 PM

Which is a shame, because Returns was awesome, and a sequel would do better box office.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh you're serious.

En Sabah Poo

10-13-2009, 07:12 PM

Problem with a reboot though is, X-men had too perfect of casting to redo. You simply cannot cast better than Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart.

Joe Kalicki

10-13-2009, 07:14 PM

A reboot just makes no sense. You can have a separate adventure without ever referencing any previous ones, if that's the way you choose to go.

I think more comic book movies should follow the James Bond style.

Matt Jay

10-13-2009, 07:15 PM

Problem with a reboot though is, X-men had too perfect of casting to redo. You simply cannot cast better than Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart.

That was some great casting.

And although Hugh Jackman is a great Wolverine, I'd be interested to see a smaller, uglier actor have a go at it.

The Goddamn Schweitz!

10-13-2009, 07:26 PM

I think if they were to reboot the X-Men franchise right now it would be a major mistake and really a worrisome prospect. At the very least they need to wait another ten years before they can even consider rebooting the franchise.

The X-Men First Class really sounds like a smart idea because in a way, from what I can imagine, it would be a reboot of sorts. Getting an X-team movie instead of the solo films (Wolvie, Magneto, Deadpool) would be good. We'd get movies with Cyclops and Jean and it wouldnt contradict the third movie, even though that one was pure and utter shit.

From what Singer has indicated, "I do love Hugh Jackman" and knowing that one of the writers of the Usual Suspect is writing the sequel to Wolvie, really makes me hope that he's coming on board for the sequel. First one wasn't spectacular, but to think of the Japan story directed by Singer could be something really awesome.

But if Fox wanted him to remake/reboot X-Men 3, I'd be the happiest person in the world.

King of Mars

10-13-2009, 09:36 PM

That was some great casting.

And although Hugh Jackman is a great Wolverine, I'd be interested to see a smaller, uglier actor have a go at it.
*snikt*
*snikt*

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A.Huerta

10-13-2009, 10:07 PM

*snikt*
*snikt*

http://www.looktothestars.org/photo/546/thumbnail.jpg

Jackman is 6'3

Anyone around 5'10 or shorter would be a better fit for Logan. Again, Wolverine is not pretty, tall or clean cut.

Ben

10-13-2009, 10:11 PM

Who cares how tall Wolverine is. It's a fucking movie.

A.Huerta

10-13-2009, 10:27 PM

They should just get Wesley Snipes to play him. Its just a fuckin' movie.

Ben

10-13-2009, 10:39 PM

They should just get Wesley Snipes to play him. Its just a fuckin' movie.Saying that Wolverine should be recast because Jackman's a bit too tall is insane. He's 95% perfect. You'll never do better than him.

And height is easy to hide in movies. I've never noticed that he's too tall.

The Hodag

10-13-2009, 10:44 PM

I have no problems with Jackman and if they're continuing the pre-existing flicks, which they should, it's a no-brainer to keep him on.

That said, someday I'd enjoy seeing a Wolverine who's less the sex symbol, more the ugly little furball he tended to be in the X-Men comics I cut my teeth on. I think his isolation and eventual relationships are more interesting if he doesn't look like a babe magnet, y'know?

A.Huerta

10-13-2009, 10:48 PM

Saying that Wolverine should be recast because Jackman's a bit too tall is insane. He's 95% perfect. You'll never do better than him.

And height is easy to hide in movies. I've never noticed that he's too tall.

Not just the height. Maybe its an artist thing, I dont know. Ive talked to many guys and we all agree that he needs to be short, built like a tank and kind of ugly looking. In the movies, he towered over Cyclops, he's taller than Sabretooth and was almost eye to eye with Colossus. It just threw me off.

Most people dont care because they just know Wolverine has stupid hair and 3 claws, everything else can be ignored. Hes called a "little runt" and "Hairball" in the comics for a reason. Anyway, I'll shut up because tall and good looking always wins.

The Hodag

10-13-2009, 10:52 PM

My favorite short/ugly Wolverine renditions in the comics were Darick Robertson's version in the Rucka relaunch and whichever artist painted him on Wolverine/Havok. Kent Williams, I think. Muth did the prettyboy Havok art.

And come to think of it, Romita Jr. did a pretty good "ugly Logan" during his run on Uncanny in the 80s.

Ben

10-13-2009, 10:52 PM

The Hodag

10-13-2009, 10:58 PM

No one's ever going to have an ugly little furball be the star of a super expensive summer blockbuster.

In a world where Nic Cage became an action hero...well, it's vaguely conceivable. Unlikely but vaguely conceivable.

Of course, as good as Jackman was, I wish the X-movies had allowed for the rest of the ensemble to take more of the spotlight. The bigger the ensemble, the easier it is for one or two of 'em to be ugly.

When the X-movies one day get a reboot, maybe ten years down the road, maybe more, I could see them trying out a rougher Wolverine to change things up a bit. Viewers will be ready for something different like they were when Nolan overhauled Batman.

A.Huerta

10-13-2009, 11:02 PM

It's a shame the Wachowskis, Del Torro, Rodriguez and Tarentino wont tackle these movies. They are the real comic fans of Hollywood.

(akaRyanHoffman)

10-13-2009, 11:03 PM

I dunno. I was never a big fan of the first one. It's not a terrible movie by any means, it's just not something worth revisting past seeing if you thought maybe you were wrong about your initial oppinion of it. The second one I liked when I first saw it, but when I revisited last year it felt like one of those movies I only needed to seen once or twice, so I won't be watching it again. The third and fourth I thought were painfully mediocre. I won't pay to see the fifth, but I'll probably see it for free with my friends when it comes out.

Diana Fan

10-13-2009, 11:26 PM

I hope he doesn't do anymore. The first two were terrible.

Matt Jay

10-14-2009, 05:18 AM

*snikt*
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The Goddamn Schweitz!

10-14-2009, 06:20 AM

No one's ever going to have an ugly little furball be the star of a super expensive summer blockbuster.

I think what they would have to do is this in 20 years when they do officially reboot the franchise; have Wolverine be short and ugly like in the comics. More of a Jackie Earl type kind of guy (not suggesting him, but someone small and crazy like a motherfucker) Then get some dashing young Brad Pitt like actor to play Cyclops. If it's an X-Men film (as in team) Cyks should really be the central character. It makes sense that Fox went with Wolverine as the dashing heroic movie star of this series, and I'm fine with that. But I think when the time comes for a reboot they might be able to pull off making Wolverine more of a Boba Fett and focusing on someone else a bit more because by that point we'll have seen...I dunno, a 100 movies with Wolverine as the main character.

Generic Poster

10-14-2009, 06:50 AM

I do not understand the love for Singer's X-Men movies. They are adequate, but nothing special. Without McKellan and Stewart in them, they would have been downright bad.

Ben

10-14-2009, 06:59 AM

I do not understand the love for Singer's X-Men movies. They are adequate, but nothing special. Without McKellan and Stewart in them, they would have been downright bad.And weird, too, since characters would've been talking to air in a lot of scenes.

Generic Poster

10-14-2009, 07:00 AM

And weird, too, since characters would've been talking to air in a lot of scenes.

Eh. You just add a line that they both have the mutant power of invisibility too. Problem solved.

Ben

10-14-2009, 07:07 AM

Eh. You just add a line that they both have the mutant power of invisibility too. Problem solved.They don't have those powers in the comics! And why can't you hear them?

Generic Poster

10-14-2009, 07:43 AM

They don't have those powers in the comics! And why can't you hear them?

Bah! You can accept the fact that a guy shoots laser beams out of his eyes, but not that the characters are talking to invisible mutants that only they can hear? It worked fine in "Harvey" when Jimmy Stewart was talking to a giant mutant rabitt that only he could hear! You fan-boys need to calm down.

The Hodag

10-14-2009, 11:05 AM

I do not understand the love for Singer's X-Men movies. They are adequate, but nothing special. Without McKellan and Stewart in them, they would have been downright bad.

I haven't revisited them in a bit, but I really, really liked them when they came out. If I'm not mistaken, they were at the vanguard of the modern superhero movie boom - the first superhero flicks with box office cred since, what, Burton's Batman flicks? I guess Blade preceded them, but he's only slightly superhero-y.

Beyond their historical role, though, I think they're pretty damn good. Both of them would probably be in my personal top five superhero movies. And unlike most, I think I actually liked the first one better.

ThunderThunder

10-14-2009, 11:22 AM

I fucking hate movies with "Rise of..." in the title. Just call it X-Men: Apocalypse if that's who it's going to feature.

Having "Rise of.." in the title screams that a movie is going to blow. I'm looking at you G.I.Joe and Fantastic 4 :-x

Black Roman

10-14-2009, 11:26 AM

I would love to see Singer take on the X-Men again.

The Hodag

10-14-2009, 11:27 AM

Having "Rise of.." in the title screams that a movie is going to blow. I'm looking at you G.I.Joe and Fantastic 4 :-x

Better or worse than "...the adventure begins"?

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/r/remofilm.jpg

Rod Nunley

10-14-2009, 12:59 PM

Better or worse than "...the adventure begins"?

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/r/remofilm.jpg

Bite your tongue. Remo Williams is a bad bad man.

Big Poot!

10-14-2009, 01:03 PM

The characterizations of the X-Men movies, work really well.

The plots don't. The plot of X-Men 3 worked better than the previous plots.

bradical

10-14-2009, 01:04 PM

The characterizations of the X-Men movies, work really well.

The plots don't. The plot of X-Men 3 worked better than the previous plots.

heh.

The Hodag

10-14-2009, 01:22 PM

Bite your tongue. Remo Williams is a bad bad man.

Bad good or bad bad?

But I did sort of like the movie. Or parts of it anyway!

Kind of funny that Kate Mulgrew was the closest it had to a hot chick. :lol:

MrClown

10-14-2009, 01:51 PM

Bad good or bad bad?

But I did sort of like the movie. Or parts of it anyway!

Kind of funny that Kate Mulgrew was the closest it had to a hot chick. :lol:

Just an awful, awful movie. But it had a certain sweaty eighties charm. Joel Grey as the Asian Kung Fu master? Oh man. I feel like watching that and Roadhouse at the same fucking time.

bradical

10-14-2009, 03:30 PM

remo williams was awesome. cheesetastic!

Arion

10-14-2009, 04:14 PM

Translation- "They won't let me do the next Superman film."

I think that was clear when Superman Returns wasn't the hit the studios wanted...

Zac Goyette

10-14-2009, 04:43 PM

I would like to see what he would do.

Marcdachamp

10-14-2009, 06:20 PM

Translation- "They won't let me do the next Superman film."

Can you blame them? Yeesh, what a mess.

Still, I wouldn't mind having him back. I'm not sure they'll welcome him back, but I doubt he could hurt it.

BRIDE OF CHUCKY

10-15-2009, 06:32 AM

so what your ideas for whats going to happen in X4: xmen delighted.
how should the movie open ??
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be descriptive.
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Ive got some ideas Ill add later

joeAR

10-15-2009, 07:13 AM

I loved X-Men 2 and hated 3 so i'm curious to see what he would do

Andrew

10-15-2009, 07:56 PM

I'd rather him return to do a spin-off film first (like Magneto) and then do an X-Men 4. I don't feel that his inclusion is necessary to create a good movie in the franchise but I definitely have no problem if he wants to return.

Just sort of funny how predictable this is.

Andrew

10-16-2009, 01:46 PM

I loved X-Men 2 and hated 3 so i'm curious to see what he would do

That's a fairly popular opinion.

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)

10-16-2009, 09:05 PM

The first Hulk movie was horrible. That's the benefit of reboots. We get to ignore the crap stuff.

Um... the second movie was crap, too. Sorry.

A.Huerta

10-16-2009, 09:15 PM

Um... the second movie was crap, too. Sorry.

WHAT?!

How can you insult writing like this?

"I dont know what youve got inside you already. The
mix could be an... abomination."

:|

Joe Kalicki

10-16-2009, 09:17 PM

The second Hulk is probably suckier than the first, but it's a hell of a lot more entertaining.

Andrew

10-16-2009, 09:51 PM

Any film that has Tony Stark show up at the end can't possibly be worse than the 2003 Hulk.

The Hodag

10-16-2009, 10:07 PM

I loved Ed Norton's Hulk, but yeah, it's got a few wince-worthy lines. Still ranks among my fave superhero movies. Norton gave me the Banner I wanted and I liked the interraction with Liv Tyler. Some quite good action.

A.Huerta

10-16-2009, 10:15 PM

Also General Ross's fake wig and mustache was pretty nice.

The Hodag

10-16-2009, 10:35 PM

Also General Ross's fake wig and mustache was pretty nice.

Never noticed.

Wasn't bothered by Halle Berry's wig either.

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)

10-17-2009, 06:19 PM

The second Hulk is probably suckier than the first, but it's a hell of a lot more entertaining.

This is the best way to sum it up. It's a step down in quality and yet still more entertaining than the first. Comes out about even.

Spidey616

12-16-2009, 08:24 PM

Singer returning to X-Men with First Class? Looks like a deal has been made with the studio

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=8929

I'm ramping up to do a movie called 'Jack the Giant Killer' at Warner Bros, and I just yesterday signed a deal to do an 'X-Men: First Class Origins' picture, which is kind of cool. I'm very excited."

Mikie

12-16-2009, 08:31 PM

I'd rather see him do something else. He might be good to adapt 'Locke and Key'. Or maybe get away from the action/thriller thing and do something like Imre Kertesz's 'Faithless'.

woljed

12-16-2009, 08:32 PM

I enjoy his directing.

Andrew

12-16-2009, 08:45 PM

Okay.

Looks like the franchise might be saved afterall.

Supreme Convoy

12-16-2009, 09:10 PM

Nice, this could be cool!

Pat Shatner

12-16-2009, 10:25 PM

Yay!!

Kurt Russell Crowe

12-16-2009, 10:49 PM

hmmm. Don't trust him sight unseen anymore, better have a good trailer.

WinterRose

12-16-2009, 10:56 PM

As long as A): we apply the Highlander II standard to Ratner's X3 and ret-fucking-con it away. And B): He doesn't get to go, "OOO! SHINY!" and immediately bolt for whatever other project grabs his hamster-sized attention span. Remember he also still wants to do a second Galactica re-imagining. Which he bolted from before Ron Moore had it to do X2. At some point he also wanted to to Logan's Run, but dumped that for X3, which he in turn dumped for SUpes.

A.Huerta

12-16-2009, 10:59 PM

The man is obsessed with these X-Men films. Shouldve never left to do SR.

Masculine Todd

12-16-2009, 11:03 PM

Superman Returns was great.

Andrew

12-16-2009, 11:52 PM

Shouldve never left to do SR.

Yep.

Though I'm perfectly glad to have him back for First Class, I think the fact that he's returning to this franchise after the Superman thing didn't work out is quite telling.

tom daylight

12-17-2009, 05:07 AM

urgh I'd like to see someone else helm it please. Singer does nothing for me

JasonD

12-17-2009, 07:41 AM

As long as A): we apply the Highlander II standard to Ratner's X3 and ret-fucking-con it away.

Not really necessary as First Class is supposed to be a prequel that has young Cyclops, Jean, etc.

ArttyG12

12-17-2009, 08:05 AM

Not really necessary as First Class is supposed to be a prequel that has young Cyclops, Jean, etc.

What are the odds against them shoehorning Wolverine into it?

Chinaski

12-17-2009, 08:14 AM

Singer returning to X-Men with First Class? Looks like a deal has been made with the studio

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=8929

Is he going to be doing this before or after the Battlestar Galactica reboot / revision / reimaging he signed up for this summer? Wasnt he also talking about doing Logans Run, or is that not happening now? I seem to recall reading alot of articles about Singer signing up to develop movies that dont go anywhere. Not to say that it is his fault, but why not make your announcement when there is a script - crew and shooting scheduled.

Superman Returns was great.

I agree, there is alot of like about SR, the major problem I had with it was that it was too much of a love letter to the Donner films - another Luthor land grab, really? and I especially Hated that the kid turned out to be Supermans son. Everything else I thought was great - the scenes where he saves the space plane are some of the best superhero action scenes ever.

Chinaski

12-17-2009, 08:16 AM

What are the odds against them shoehorning Wolverine into it?

Depends on how much Hugh Jackman would charge them for a cameo. If he wants a ton of money it probably wouldnt happen, if it is affordable I would almost guarantee that Wolverine will make some kind of appearance in the movie - if it happens

Mister Mets

12-17-2009, 08:20 AM

He's a solid director.

And his X-Men films were better than Ratner's.

So, this is okay news.

Matt Jay

12-17-2009, 08:27 AM

Depends on how much Hugh Jackman would charge them for a cameo. If he wants a ton of money it probably wouldnt happen, if it is affordable I would almost guarantee that Wolverine will make some kind of appearance in the movie - if it happens

I can't imagine Fox moving on this without Wolverine playing a big part.

Chinaski

12-17-2009, 08:34 AM

I can't imagine Fox moving on this without Wolverine playing a big part.

Me neither, but how will the timing work? I dont mean movie continuity-wise (Allah knows that Fox doesnt really care about that) I mean real world wise. Arent they already writing and producing the Wolerine prequel / sequel? The one that is supposed to be based on the Claremont - Miller mini series? Figure a year for that, then Im sure Hugh Jackman is going to want to do something else in between projects that is song and dance related, theres another year. Puts the movie around 2013 to start filming, give or take. How old is Hugh Jackman now? How old is he going to look in a few years to play the younger Wolverine in First Class (if it happens?)

Unless they figure out a way to shoot both movies simultaneously its going to be interesting to see if it gets done

artimoff

12-17-2009, 08:46 AM

I thought that first class was suposed to be the current younger mutants like Iceman, Kitty, & Angel.

Big McLargeHuge

12-17-2009, 08:48 AM

Superman Returns was great.

It had its flashes of brilliance, but it just tried too damn hard to be a Donner Superman flick.

Hyperstorm

12-17-2009, 08:52 AM

Give him the Howard the Duck reboot. If he doesn't fuck it up THEN he can have X4.

Matt Jay

12-17-2009, 09:06 AM

I bet the movie will start in the present day with an explosion, then Wolverine will say "I'm the best there is at blablahblah".

Then he'll say to Cyclops (who is inexplicably alive) "Hey douchebag, how did you guys get started as the X-men?"

Cyclops will look thoughtfully into the distance and stroke his chin, then we get a wash-fade into the rest of the movie. After the flashback is over, Wolverine will say what a good story it was.

batmanbooyah

12-17-2009, 09:27 AM

JasonD

12-17-2009, 09:57 AM

I can't imagine Fox moving on this without Wolverine playing a big part.

Fox is probably interested in continuing the franchise more then anything. They want to hold onto the film rights to the X-Men, and now that Marvel is making their own films, it remains in Fox's best interests to continue making X-Men films as milk that cash cow as long as possible. I'm sure they would love to have a way to work Wolverine into the plot if they can do it even if it's just a brief cameo (see the Tony Stark cameo that made it into commercials for the Incredible Hulk film), but I think the're more likely to risk a Hugh Jackman-less film then the rights lapsing and reverting back to Marvel.

I bet the movie will start in the present day with an explosion, then Wolverine will say "I'm the best there is at blablahblah".

Then he'll say to Cyclops (who is inexplicably alive) "Hey douchebag, how did you guys get started as the X-men?"

Cyclops will look thoughtfully into the distance and stroke his chin, then we get a wash-fade into the rest of the movie. After the flashback is over, Wolverine will say what a good story it was.

*snerk* I am both horrified and intrigued.

DAVE

12-17-2009, 10:01 AM

Singer doing another X-Men movie is great news, but I'd like to hear more about the First Class thing.

Andrew

12-17-2009, 01:25 PM

Me neither, but how will the timing work? I dont mean movie continuity-wise (Allah knows that Fox doesnt really care about that) I mean real world wise. Arent they already writing and producing the Wolerine prequel / sequel? The one that is supposed to be based on the Claremont - Miller mini series? Figure a year for that, then Im sure Hugh Jackman is going to want to do something else in between projects that is song and dance related, theres another year. Puts the movie around 2013 to start filming, give or take. How old is Hugh Jackman now? How old is he going to look in a few years to play the younger Wolverine in First Class (if it happens?)

Unless they figure out a way to shoot both movies simultaneously its going to be interesting to see if it gets done

There won't be any waiting until 2013. There've been hints that FOX wants First Class out for 2011 (which would mean that production would begin fairly soon), and the Wolverine sequel will be out no later than 2012.

HoldFastNow

12-17-2009, 02:33 PM

I thought that first class was suposed to be the current younger mutants like Iceman, Kitty, & Angel.

That was the original plan, but somewhere along the way they changed the idea to being about young Cyclops, Jean, ect.

HoldFastNow

12-17-2009, 02:34 PM

As long as Josh Schwartz is still involved im excited about this movie.

Arion

12-17-2009, 02:36 PM

It had its flashes of brilliance, but it just tried too damn hard to be a Donner Superman flick.

I know what you mean .

Marcdachamp

12-17-2009, 06:08 PM

There won't be any waiting until 2013. There've been hints that FOX wants First Class out for 2011 (which would mean that production would begin fairly soon), and the Wolverine sequel will be out no later than 2012.

I think this means the Magneto film is boned, sadly. :surrend:

Andrew

12-17-2009, 06:41 PM

I think this means the Magneto film is boned, sadly. :surrend:

Yeah, it's pretty much been said that it won't happen.

Sucks too, because it could've been something truly awesome.

Marcdachamp

12-17-2009, 07:13 PM

Yeah, it's pretty much been said that it won't happen.

Sucks too, because it could've been something truly awesome.

Time wise, I feel like it's impossible. You have Wolverine 2, which Fox NEEDS to happen, Deadpool, which I'll be shocked if doesn't have the name "X-Men" somehow attached, and now First Class, which could be a potentially huge thing for Fox.

I never thought too much potential would be a problem for this franchise. :surrend:

Andrew

12-17-2009, 07:42 PM

Time wise, I feel like it's impossible. You have Wolverine 2, which Fox NEEDS to happen, Deadpool, which I'll be shocked if doesn't have the name "X-Men" somehow attached, and now First Class, which could be a potentially huge thing for Fox.

I never thought too much potential would be a problem for this franchise. :surrend:

The X-Men franchise, provided that it were being treated properly, could become a huge prolific multi-film cash cow, and they could have some new spin-off or sequel out every 12-18 months while the audience's interest is still there. Just look at the sheer amount of X-related comic books. It's a massive universe, with tons of different characters and angles. The quality would just need to be there for it to keep going strong.

A Magneto film should happen, even with the other stuff coming, though unfortunately it won't. They have different people working on each film anyway, so there's no reason why they shouldn't have different films being worked on at the same time. This "one at a time every 3 years" thing isn't necessary for a franchise with such a vast amount of characters.

Case in point: During Marvel Studio's first attempt at making their own films, Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk were being worked on at the same time. There was even some crossover between them, with Tony Stark appearing in both. Each film turned out great. Why can't FOX do the same?

Ray G.

12-17-2009, 07:43 PM

Hmm....this has potential. X2 is probably one of my top comic book movies ever, so I'm excited.

Marcdachamp

12-17-2009, 07:52 PM

The X-Men franchise, provided that it were being treated properly, could become a huge prolific multi-film cash cow, and they could have some new spin-off or sequel out every 12-18 months while the audience's interest is still there. Just look at the sheer amount of X-related comic books. It's a massive universe, with tons of different characters and angles. The quality would just need to be there for it to keep going strong.

A Magneto film should happen, even with the other stuff coming, though unfortunately it won't. They have different people working on each film anyway, so there's no reason why they shouldn't have different films being worked on at the same time. This "one at a time every 3 years" thing isn't necessary for a franchise with such a vast amount of characters.

Case in point: During Marvel Studio's first attempt at making their own films, Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk were being worked on at the same time. There was even some crossover between them, with Tony Stark appearing in both. Each film turned out great. Why can't FOX do the same?

Over saturation is an issue, though. The last thing anyone wants to do is flood the market with too many of these films. Sadly, Magneto makes the most sense to cut.

First Class has a LOT of potential. I'd use Cyclops, Beast, Jean, Emma and maybe one more. Someone to fill the Iceman void. Do the Scott/Jean/Emma love triangle and really work at something Harry Potter like. You can easily make multiple films in a kind of prequel saga. Who do you do as a villain, though?

Andrew

12-17-2009, 08:09 PM

Over saturation is an issue, though. The last thing anyone wants to do is flood the market with too many of these films. Sadly, Magneto makes the most sense to cut.

Which is ironic given that a Magneto film would be so different from the rest of them, with the WW2/Holocaust setting.

First Class has a LOT of potential. I'd use Cyclops, Beast, Jean, Emma and maybe one more. Someone to fill the Iceman void. Do the Scott/Jean/Emma love triangle and really work at something Harry Potter like. You can easily make multiple films in a kind of prequel saga. Who do you do as a villain, though?

Magneto wouldn't be a villain to start with (I'm assuming that it'll show how he and Xavier build the school together, and then eventually split up), but if you made this a multiple film thing, he'd become a villain eventually. Earlier on I'd say that introducing Sinister would be a good idea, as well as (at the very least) the Sentinels.

At some point they also need to show how Liev Schrieber's Sabretooth transforms into Tyler Mane. Since it's clear that he doesn't interact with Wolverine again until X-Men 1, this can be done in the First Class series, which would keep the Wolverine connection going without actually needing to have Wolverine in it.

Marcdachamp

12-17-2009, 08:24 PM

Which is ironic given that a Magneto film would be so different from the rest of them, with the WW2/Holocaust setting.

Magneto wouldn't be a villain to start with (I'm assuming that it'll show how he and Xavier build the school together, and then eventually split up), but if you made this a multiple film thing, he'd become a villain eventually. Earlier on I'd say that introducing Sinister would be a good idea, as well as (at the very least) the Sentinels.

At some point they also need to show how Liev Schrieber's Sabretooth transforms into Tyler Mane. Since it's clear that he doesn't interact with Wolverine again until X-Men 1, this can be done in the First Class series, which would keep the Wolverine connection going without actually needing to have Wolverine in it.

They could explain it, but it seems to me like they kind of wanted Creed and Sabretooth to be separate characters. It was a shot at a do-over and I was pretty okay with it.

God, I would love the Sentinels as the main villain of a movie. You get a cookie, sir.

Not so sure on Sinister, but if you are bringing in young Cyclops and Jean, you could do that. Hey, you could bring in Cable that way and have him show up in a Deadpool movie. That's thinking way ahead, though.

Did the X-Men (other than Charles) know Magneto before the first film? I can't recall.

Mister Mets

12-17-2009, 08:27 PM

I think this means the Magneto film is boned, sadly. :surrend:

Seems to me elements are getting repurposed for "First Class."

This is a weird prequel.

Andrew

12-17-2009, 09:15 PM

They could explain it, but it seems to me like they kind of wanted Creed and Sabretooth to be separate characters. It was a shot at a do-over and I was pretty okay with it.

God, I would love the Sentinels as the main villain of a movie. You get a cookie, sir.

Not so sure on Sinister, but if you are bringing in young Cyclops and Jean, you could do that. Hey, you could bring in Cable that way and have him show up in a Deadpool movie. That's thinking way ahead, though.

Did the X-Men (other than Charles) know Magneto before the first film? I can't recall.

Yeah, they did. And, not that you may want to remember, but Xavier and Magneto both went to recruit a young Jean during the flashback at the beginning of X3.

As for the Cable character, I could definitely see him being in a Deadpool film at some point in the future. Ryan Reynolds is apparently a fan of Cable as well, so to see those characters fight eachother and/or partner up in live-action would be awesome.

Marcdachamp

12-18-2009, 02:01 PM

Yeah, they did. And, not that you may want to remember, but Xavier and Magneto both went to recruit a young Jean during the flashback at the beginning of X3.

As for the Cable character, I could definitely see him being in a Deadpool film at some point in the future. Ryan Reynolds is apparently a fan of Cable as well, so to see those characters fight eachother and/or partner up in live-action would be awesome.

It's a pretty cult classic series. I feel like they could quite easily strip the character down and make him work in a Deadpool sequel.

Arion

12-18-2009, 02:10 PM

Yeah, it's pretty much been said that it won't happen.

Sucks too, because it could've been something truly awesome.

Ian McKellan would have made everyone care about Magnus .

intercept789

12-18-2009, 02:33 PM

Argh. Singer is so made-for-TV blah, I can't stand it. His style is so stiff unless he hands the reigns over to the actors to run with it enough, but you can't do that with a big budget comic book film.

X-Men number 1, if you really watch it critically and wash the (wholly cow, I am watching a big studio X-Men film!!) out of your head, it is stiff, with wooden performances except maybe for Jackman. The action scenes are so mechanical and plodding it could have just of easily been done by a TV CSI director. X-Men 2 was better, but only fixed by some over the top action scenes that he didn't even really design (Nightcrawler in the White House).

In some years everyone will look back at the X-Men movies Singer did and go, did we really like that? Sort of like how people look back at Burton's Batman. The Dark Knight sooooo trumps the Burton shtick (he's good, but he can't handle a big budget well... i.e. Planet of the Apes). Maybe in 16 years they will reboot the X-Men movies too and fix that Singer craaaaap.

rwsmith

12-18-2009, 05:33 PM

As for the Cable character, I could definitely see him being in a Deadpool film at some point in the future. Ryan Reynolds is apparently a fan of Cable as well, so to see those characters fight eachother and/or partner up in live-action would be awesome.

I could actually see them going the Ultimate route with Cable in the movies. Love it or hate it, it's much less convoluted to have him just be Wolverine from the future.

Plus they could just cut Jackman's hair short, dye it gray, and put him in either Deadpool or a future X-men movie as Cable.

Jason California

12-18-2009, 05:45 PM

None of the X-Men movies were good after 1 viewing.

Jason California

12-18-2009, 05:48 PM

At some point they also need to show how Liev Schrieber's Sabretooth transforms into Tyler Mane. Since it's clear that he doesn't interact with Wolverine again until X-Men 1, this can be done in the First Class series, which would keep the Wolverine connection going without actually needing to have Wolverine in it.

The Sabertooth from the first movie is a failed clone of the real thing. easy peezy.

Andrew

12-18-2009, 06:02 PM

The Sabertooth from the first movie is a failed clone of the real thing. easy peezy.

That would make sense, but do you really think they'd say that in the movies? I doubt it.

NickT

12-18-2009, 06:05 PM

I could actually see them going the Ultimate route with Cable in the movies. Love it or hate it, it's much less convoluted to have him just be Wolverine from the future.

Plus they could just cut Jackman's hair short, dye it gray, and put him in either Deadpool or a future X-men movie as Cable.
I'd rather they kept all the time travel bollocks out of the X-Men, work with the core concept.

Jason California

12-18-2009, 06:08 PM

That would make sense, but do you really think they'd say that in the movies? I doubt it.

You could have Sinister and Creed be villains in one of the first class movies. it could easily be part of the story.

A.Huerta

12-18-2009, 07:20 PM

I could actually see them going the Ultimate route with Cable in the movies. Love it or hate it, it's much less convoluted to have him just be Wolverine from the future.

Plus they could just cut Jackman's hair short, dye it gray, and put him in either Deadpool or a future X-men movie as Cable.

Cable is the son of Cyclops and Jean Grey. The X-Men are not all about Wolverine.

And why cant they try another team? X-Force, EXcalibur or X-Factor could work really well.

Andrew

12-18-2009, 07:48 PM

Cable is the son of Cyclops and Jean Grey. The X-Men are not all about Wolverine.

And why cant they try another team? X-Force, EXcalibur or X-Factor could work really well.

Apparently the producers want to do a New Mutants film.

tom daylight

12-20-2009, 12:41 AM

And his X-Men films were better than Ratner's.

The real problem with Ratner's film (although in some ways it's also a virtue) is that they shoved too much stuff into it so it came off even more convoluted than your run-of-the-mill byzantine Claremont plot. But that wasn't his fault.

Still. I think it's a shame you boil the argument down to "Singer or Ratner", given that they aren't the only two directors in the world.