PDA

View Full Version : Let's talk about guns



Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:13 AM
I won't hide my point of view on this one. And I don't want it to sound like "holier than thou" if you disagree with me, but I won't budge on my stance for strict gun control.

I hate guns. I think it's a problem how rampant there are in the US. I looked at the paper today and read about several shootings. It's a daily thing. Sure there are plenty of ways to kill people, if you really wanted to. We could try drive by knifings and machete snipings, but what's the point when guns make it so easy? Just point and pull.

And, oh my God, we're in danger! We have to protect our family from the bad guys who have guns. We needs guns, too! In the car, in case someone tries to shoot you!

I say this because my father (a civilian), who I care for very much, has turned into a gun enthusiast at age 54. There are guns and ammo magazine lying about the house and I hate it. I look through the magazines and think, what are these things for? What's the point in making one? To maim and kill people. To put a whole in you. To take your bones and shatter them, to rip apart your lungs and hearts and slice open your eyeballs. To splatter your brain. Or your balls or vagina or penis.

Do civilians (who do not hunt) need guns?

I'm not going to hate you for owning a gun. I would like to know, who owns guns here and why do you feel you need one?

To get a clear perspective on how shitty our gun problem has become, it helps to step outside the US to a country where guns are illegal. You will that the percentage of murders are very low compared with ours, and gun shootings are extremely infrequent, compared to America's 90 gun murders a day on average.

I know it's the person who pulls the trigger, not the gun, who is the killer. I am also aware that most people buy guns for sport, hunting, or protection. This said, the stats don't lie. In a country that allows people to purchase guns, were gun shops are to be found in nearly every city, an average of 60-65 million people own guns. Isn't that 1 out 5 people? And how many shootings do we have a day? Here's an interesting statistic:

To better understand the numbers --- In 1998 30,708 Americans lost their lives to gun violence. During the entire Korean War, 33,651 American were killed.
In 1999, there were only 154 justifiable homicides by private citizens in the United States.

My father wants to take me shooting. A part of me wants to. I've won a gold and bronze medal for target shooting when I was 12 (never got the silver). But how could I look a shooting victim in the eye and say, "I enjoy shooting"? (which I probably would)

I don't mean to piss anyone off, just generate a discussion. Please feel free to counter any of my points, I won't lose respect for you.

joeAR
06-25-2005, 10:16 AM
Let's talk about Boobies instead.

Woomba
06-25-2005, 10:17 AM
I hate guns as well.

TIP
06-25-2005, 10:19 AM
Let's talk about Boobies instead.

I'm all for the right to bare boobies.

T
:heybaby:

Taki Soma
06-25-2005, 10:20 AM
I To put a whole in you.

I agree that guns solve nothing, but it is fun for some, kinda like a game. *shrug* I dunno, never had the urge to kill / hurt animals or humans with it and I reckon I never will....

BUT! I just have to point out the irony of how you spelled 'hole' as 'whole'

if that's not irony, I don't know what is.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:21 AM
Let's talk about Boobies instead.
quickest derail ever.

Ray G.
06-25-2005, 10:21 AM
I don't own a gun. But I don't think they should be banned, either. They just hold no interest for me.

innocentboy
06-25-2005, 10:23 AM
yeah, i'd agree that guns suck, unfortunantly in the reality we live in ... once one person gets a gun ...

and on that note, you can't always trust the authorities to be there when you need them.

just another mess that humans have gotten themselves into and can't get out of.

God bless,
innocentboy
http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/isaiah2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/kay3.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/david2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/das2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/richard2.jpg
my visual art: http://www.innocentboyproductions.com (http://www.innocentboyproductions.com) last updated June 11, 2005
Song of Songs the Comic Book: http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com (http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com) last updated June 11, 2005
"an innovative force on the rise." - MusicVideoBox.com
nosebleed, nosebleed, rain, nosebleed, nosebleed, yawn

RegularJoe
06-25-2005, 10:24 AM
I won't hide my point of view on this one. And I don't want it to sound like "holier than thou" if you disagree with me, but I won't budge on my stance for strict gun control.

if there's no chance in changing your outlook, what's the point? it would be not unlike: :frustrat:

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:25 AM
yeah, i'd agree that guns suck, unfortunantly in the reality we live in ... once one person gets a gun ...



that's the mindset of people. but how much safer does it make you once your "enemy" has a gun? What are you doing to make enemies in the first place? there's the problem.

Natty P
06-25-2005, 10:27 AM
The second amendment is in place so that we can overthrow our government, and so we can fight back against a military police-state should one be established here.


I don't own a gun, don't plan on it, have no interest in owning one, but cherish the right to own one.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:27 AM
if there's no chance in changing your outlook, what's the point? it would be not unlike: :frustrat:

I won't budge that guns should be illegal. They make killing easy and they are made to kill. They just should not exist for the general public's consumption.

Having said that, I would like to know why you choose to own a gun. I will respect your opinions. I want to understand the psychology behind owning guns.

Flonk
06-25-2005, 10:28 AM
I don't own a gun, but I'm not going to stop other people. It's how I feel about drugs, abortion, minor traffic violations. Just becasue I don't doesn;t mean others shouldn't.

joeAR
06-25-2005, 10:30 AM
I don't currently own a gun but when I do move out of my parents house I am planning on buying one.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:31 AM
I don't own a gun, but I'm not going to stop other people. It's how I feel about drugs, abortion, minor traffic violations. Just becasue I don't doesn;t mean others shouldn't.
The way I see it, stopping other people prevents people from being shot.

joeAR
06-25-2005, 10:31 AM
The way I see it, stopping other people prevents people from being shot.


Yes cause gang members don't acquire guns illegally.

Ray G.
06-25-2005, 10:33 AM
The second amendment is in place so that we can overthrow our government, and so we can fight back against a military police-state should one be established here.


I don't own a gun, don't plan on it, have no interest in owning one, but cherish the right to own one.

Motherfucking WORD.

Flonk
06-25-2005, 10:33 AM
The way I see it, stopping other people prevents people from being shot.


If you outlaw guns, only scofflaws will own firearms.

innocentboy
06-25-2005, 10:36 AM
that's the mindset of people. but how much safer does it make you once your "enemy" has a gun? What are you doing to make enemies in the first place? there's the problem.
- just trying to eat?
- just in wrong place at the wrong time?
- living in a dog eat dog world?
- having a nice dinner while others struggle to find crumbs?
- living in an area with lots of natural oil while other countries gotta pay for it?
- living in a world where living costs rise faster than pay check rates?
- just delt a bad hand?
- living in an area with underfunded schools?
- being born into this world?
- etc.

not meant to be pointing fingers, just saying that that's how it is

God bless,
innocentboy
http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/isaiah2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/kay3.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/david2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/das2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/richard2.jpg
my visual art: http://www.innocentboyproductions.com (http://www.innocentboyproductions.com) last updated June 11, 2005
Song of Songs the Comic Book: http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com (http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com) last updated June 11, 2005
"an innovative force on the rise." - MusicVideoBox.com
nosebleed, nosebleed, rain, nosebleed, nosebleed, yawn

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:37 AM
Yes cause gang members don't acquire guns illegally.
Of course people are going to be able to get them legally.

I'm going to invoke Japan again because I've been there. There are about 90,000 yakuza (mafia members). They have guns. Guns are illegal. There are practically no shootings.

I would love America to be like this.

http://www.guncite.com/journals/dkjgc.html (http://www.guncite.com/journals/dkjgc.html)

Adrian B AWESOME
06-25-2005, 10:39 AM
While we're at it, lets take guns away from our police and military and give them daisies, since, you know, criminals won't be able to have guns either, nor will warring countries.

:jackoff:

I don't own a gun and am debating on whether or not to get a permit for one (purely for target shooting), but you know what? I'll be damned if anyone takes one of my constitutional rights away.

innocentboy
06-25-2005, 10:39 AM
http://www.breakbeat.co.uk/djpics/mcfoxy.jpg
"there is no such thing as a bad man, just a disturbed man" - MC Foxy

God bless,
innocentboy
http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/isaiah2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/kay3.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/david2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/das2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/richard2.jpg
my visual art: http://www.innocentboyproductions.com (http://www.innocentboyproductions.com) last updated June 11, 2005
Song of Songs the Comic Book: http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com (http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com) last updated June 11, 2005
"an innovative force on the rise." - MusicVideoBox.com
nosebleed, nosebleed, rain, nosebleed, nosebleed, yawn

joeAR
06-25-2005, 10:39 AM
So let the gang members and criminals run around with guns. The Japaneese mafia is completley different than the scum that live here.

Ray G.
06-25-2005, 10:40 AM
While we're at it, lets take guns away from our police and military and give them daisies, since, you know, criminals won't be able to have guns either, nor will warring countries.

:jackoff:

I don't own a gun and am debating on whether or not to get a permit for one (purely for target shooting), but you know what? I'll be damned if anyone takes one of my constitutional rights away.

Totally OT, but your new Avatar owns all.

Travis M. Bierwagen
06-25-2005, 10:41 AM
I don't like guns. They scare me. Since I live in Montana I know plenty of people who own or have access to guns that should probably NOT have such things so conveniently handy. :dunno:

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:41 AM
While we're at it, lets take guns away from our police and military and give them daisies, since, you know, criminals won't be able to have guns either, nor will warring countries.

:jackoff:

someone didn't read everything I wrote (again). But don't worry, I'll give you a cliff notes: I'm talking about civilians.

joeAR
06-25-2005, 10:43 AM
someone didn't read everything I wrote (again). But don't worry, I'll give you a cliff notes: I'm talking about civilians.


I dissagree with you on this but it's your opinion. You even said it yourself that you're not going to budge so I just don't see a point to this conversation.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:45 AM
I dissagree with you on this but it's your opinion. You even said it yourself that you're not going to buldge so I just don't see a point to this conversation.
huh?

anyway, i'd hate to leave when things are heating up, but i have to play gta

joeAR
06-25-2005, 10:46 AM
huh?

anyway, i'd hate to leave when things are heating up, but i have to play gta


Yeah that didn't make any sense. Anywho.......BOOBIES!!!!!

innocentboy
06-25-2005, 10:48 AM
re: civillians,
unfortunantly, the ugly truth is you can't always trust the authorities to be there when you need them

God bless,
innocentboy
http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/isaiah2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/kay3.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/david2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/das2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/richard2.jpg
my visual art: http://www.innocentboyproductions.com (http://www.innocentboyproductions.com) last updated June 11, 2005
Song of Songs the Comic Book: http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com (http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com) last updated June 11, 2005
"an innovative force on the rise." - MusicVideoBox.com
nosebleed, nosebleed, rain, nosebleed, nosebleed, yawn

Smokinblues
06-25-2005, 10:49 AM
yes, THIS discussion on why guns should be illegal will go worlds differently than the one a coupla weeks ago. or the one a coupla weeks before that.

Ben Rosen
06-25-2005, 10:55 AM
Let's talk about Boobies instead.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050624/ts_nm/life_statues_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050624/ts_nm/life_statues_dc)

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 10:57 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050624/ts_nm/life_statues_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050624/ts_nm/life_statues_dc)
i'm in love :drool:

The Roman Candle
06-25-2005, 11:01 AM
I don't need a gun. I have a penis.

kaptain
06-25-2005, 11:02 AM
If people want to own guns that's fine, but I think people should be licensed before being allowed to purchase guns. I also propose heavy fines and jail time for all who use guns without the proper licensing. Any of you gun lovers have a problem with this?

Smokinblues
06-25-2005, 11:04 AM
If people want to own guns that's fine, but I think people should be licensed before being allowed to purchase guns. I also propose heavy fines and jail time for all who use guns without the proper licensing. Any of you gun lovers have a problem with this?

none whatsover.

Natty P
06-25-2005, 11:06 AM
If people want to own guns that's fine, but I think people should be licensed before being allowed to purchase guns. I also propose heavy fines and jail time for all who use guns without the proper licensing. Any of you gun lovers have a problem with this?


No. Sounds like a good idea.

Ray G.
06-25-2005, 11:06 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050624/ts_nm/life_statues_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050624/ts_nm/life_statues_dc)


Well, that's one reason why Gonzales is better than Ashcroft, at least. He's busy taking away terrorists' rights to bother taking away ours! :razz:

Ray G.
06-25-2005, 11:07 AM
If people want to own guns that's fine, but I think people should be licensed before being allowed to purchase guns. I also propose heavy fines and jail time for all who use guns without the proper licensing. Any of you gun lovers have a problem with this?

I question the jail time thing. For a first-time offense, it should be the same way as driving without a license. But I agree with you in principle. Any idiot off the street shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun. There should be training, too.

Blandy vs Terrorism
06-25-2005, 11:17 AM
I still own a shotgun that I used to go hunting with years ago when I went with my stepdad. I still enjoy shooting at ranges and will probably continue to do so even after I get out of the military. In a way, it's a good stress reliever.

With him (my stepdad) being a hunter and game warden, I've always been used to having guns in the house. But by the time my mom actually got married to him, I was already old enough to know not to mess around with them without him teaching me about them and without his direct supervision. I don't feel the need to have a gun in the house just for protection, but then we also live in an area where it doesn't seem to be much of an issue. I'm not going to comment on people who live in bad neighborhoods wanting protection, because I've never been in that situation.

Blandy vs Terrorism
06-25-2005, 11:22 AM
If people want to own guns that's fine, but I think people should be licensed before being allowed to purchase guns. I also propose heavy fines and jail time for all who use guns without the proper licensing. Any of you gun lovers have a problem with this?

In Minnesota, unless I'm wrong all you need to own a gun is a certificate saying you've taken classes on gun safety. But to be able to keep one in your car, you need a separate license for that. I could be wrong about the certificate, since I haven't looked into it in about 8 years.

RegularJoe
06-25-2005, 11:23 AM
I won't budge that guns should be illegal. They make killing easy and they are made to kill. They just should not exist for the general public's consumption.

Having said that, I would like to know why you choose to own a gun. I will respect your opinions. I want to understand the psychology behind owning guns.


don't own a gun. possibly never will. but there government shouldn't be able to tell me that i can't own one. why? 'cause our country was founded by people who had to stage a violent, gun-filled revolution against it's rulers. and, when it came time to set the ground-rules for their own country, they wanted to make sure if they turned into the "evil" that they had fought against the people would be able to do the same.

yes guns are violent and ugly and horrific. but, to a certain extent, so is the manner in which we produce red meat, chicken and a majority of other things in this country. you wanna take away the guns, take away the rest of it too.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 12:20 PM
don't own a gun. possibly never will. but there government shouldn't be able to tell me that i can't own one. why? 'cause our country was founded by people who had to stage a violent, gun-filled revolution against it's rulers. and, when it came time to set the ground-rules for their own country, they wanted to make sure if they turned into the "evil" that they had fought against the people would be able to do the same.

yes guns are violent and ugly and horrific. but, to a certain extent, so is the manner in which we produce red meat, chicken and a majority of other things in this country. you wanna take away the guns, take away the rest of it too.

With respect, I don't buy this arguement. So we should get rid of all freedoms if we're going to get rid of guns?

The second admendemnt does not hold up today. Are we going to have an armed revolution against the government? if you do, you'll be a "terrorist." it was a different world back then. Look at how wonderful gun control is around the world. The good (less shootings/murders) outweighs the bad (not getting to own a gun).

It seems that people don't want to give up something they love, even if it would make society a better place. (Shit, we need to talk about cars next. :Punch: )

Blandy vs Terrorism
06-25-2005, 12:28 PM
It seems that people don't want to give up something they love, even if it would make society a better place. (Shit, we need to talk about cars next. :Punch: )

On that same note, there a lot of people who consider TV and video games to be a bad thing (i.e. blaming them for school shootings) and therefore getting rid of them would make society a better place.

Adrian B AWESOME
06-25-2005, 12:29 PM
With respect, I don't buy this arguement. So we should get rid of all freedoms if we're going to get rid of guns?

The second admendemnt does not hold up today. Are we going to have an armed revolution against the government? if you do, you'll be a "terrorist." it was a different world back then. Look at how wonderful gun control is around the world. The good (less shootings/murders) outweighs the bad (not getting to own a gun).

It seems that people don't want to give up something they love, even if it would make society a better place. (Shit, we need to talk about cars next. :Punch: )
Stop...wonderful gun control is around the world?

Are you joking? Seriously? This is flat out a farce.

As well, the people in your little signature are technically "terrorists," fighting against an oppresive government, and yet, you support them.

If our government betrays us, we have the RIGHT to fight against it. I hardly see how this is outdated at all.

I don't necessarily agree with abortion, but I agree that it should exist because people should have a CHOICE. This country is all about letting people choose what they want to do, not the government telling them otherwise.

Your ideal is not everyone's ideal. Idealism is a good thing, but when people try to actually live it out, it fails MISERABLY because people AREN'T IDEALISTS. PEOPLE KILL. PEOPLE STEAL AND LIE AND CHEAT AND HURT EACH OTHER EVERYDAY.

And you know what? There's not a damn thing any of us can do about it because that's human nature. And when the government tries to step in to tell me what I can and can't do, even though I have the right to, as an American, there's a huge problem there.

You want the government to tell me what I can and can't do, in the sense of my legal American rights?

In the words of Charlton Heston: Over my dead body.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 12:33 PM
Stop...wonderful gun control is around the world?

Are you joking? Seriously? This is flat out a farce.

As well, the people in your little signature are technically "terrorists," fighting against an oppresive government, and yet, you support them.

If our government betrays us, we have the RIGHT to fight against it. I hardly see how this is outdated at all.

I don't necessarily agree with abortion, but I agree that it should exist because people should have a CHOICE. This country is all about letting people choose what they want to do, not the government telling them otherwise.

You want the government to tell me what I can and can't do, in the sense of my legal American rights?

In the words of Charlton Heston: Over my dead body.

where do you draw the line? should we be able to have bombs, too?

and no i'm not joking. ask people around the world in gun controlled countries what they fear most about coming to the US. they fear getting shot. i know this from discussion with internationals.

how is it a flat out farce?

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 12:37 PM
On that same note, there a lot of people who consider TV and video games to be a bad thing (i.e. blaming them for school shootings) and therefore getting rid of them would make society a better place.

this is going to get ugly..

they was a case in the US where to brothers age 14 and 16 took daddy's shotgun and said, "let's play gta for real" and killed two drivers, including a 19 year old girl. the game got blamed.

I don't blame the game. I blame shitty parenting, and poor gun laws (they let someone with kids who didn't lock away their gun have a gun). if gun control was implemented in this country, those two people would be alive today.

having said this, I went to an arcade in Japan and have never seen so many shooting games in my life. This clearly shows that violent video games do not make violent people. (or is it the gun control which prevents shootings?)

Adrian B AWESOME
06-25-2005, 12:41 PM
where do you draw the line? should we be able to have bombs, too?

and no i'm not joking. ask people around the world in gun controlled countries what they fear most about coming to the US. they fear getting shot. i know this from discussion with internationals.

how is it a flat out farce?

Because it flat-out doesn't happen.

30,000 americans, you say, die of gun violence every year. How many of those are accidents that got caught into that? How many of those are actual violent cases? At any rate the percentage equals less than HALF A PERCENT OF AMERICANS GET KILLED.

And did anyone say anything about bombs? Is the right to bear bombs in the Constitution? No, it's not.

The Bill of Rights is one of the most important things in this country, and to go back and say "Well, it's outdated" questions are entire Constitution.

While we're at it, Amendment XV (Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.) seems pretty outdated and useless too, since no one follows it. We should get rid of that, too.

How about Amendment VII (Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.) In this new world where terrorists are willing to give their lifes to kill others, don't you think we should be able to cruelly or unusually torture them to find out information?

What about Amendment XIX (Amendment XIX - Women's suffrage. Ratified 8/18/1920. History

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.) I mean, who seriously wants women voting?

I'm surprised that people are so willing to give away their rights because of a "cause" or whatever. If you don't like guns, fine, don't use them, but be glad as hell you have the right to.

Adrian B AWESOME
06-25-2005, 12:43 PM
this is going to get ugly..

they was a case in the US where to brothers age 14 and 16 took daddy's shotgun and said, "let's play gta for real" and killed two drivers, including a 19 year old girl. the game got blamed.

I don't blame the game. I blame shitty parenting, and poor gun laws (they let someone with kids who didn't lock away their gun have a gun). if gun control was implemented in this country, those two people would be alive today.

having said this, I went to an arcade in Japan and have never seen so many shooting games in my life. This clearly shows that violent video games do not make violent people. (or is it the gun control which prevents shootings?)

Then move to Japan since you always talk about how much better it is than the US anyways.

Oh, and I thought this was "ironic"

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/22/news_6128036.html

The Human Target
06-25-2005, 12:50 PM
I could type out some long winded response about my opnions on this. But some redneck fuck would just yell "I love the Constitution and America, you fucking hippie! I'll rape you and shoot you with my GUN!"

So I won't. I will say, fuck you, fuck the Constitution, and fuck every private citizen needing a gun. Or the right for any private citizen to own anything, just becaue this is America.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 12:50 PM
Because it flat-out doesn't happen.

30,000 americans, you say, die of gun violence every year. How many of those are accidents that got caught into that? How many of those are actual violent cases? At any rate the percentage equals less than HALF A PERCENT OF AMERICANS GET KILLED.

And did anyone say anything about bombs? Is the right to bear bombs in the Constitution? No, it's not.

The Bill of Rights is one of the most important things in this country, and to go back and say "Well, it's outdated" questions are entire Constitution.

While we're at it, Amendment XV (Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.) seems pretty outdated and useless too, since no one follows it. We should get rid of that, too.

How about Amendment VII (Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.) In this new world where terrorists are willing to give their lifes to kill others, don't you think we should be able to cruelly or unusually torture them to find out information?

What about Amendment XIX (Amendment XIX - Women's suffrage. Ratified 8/18/1920. History

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.) I mean, who seriously wants women voting?

I'm surprised that people are so willing to give away their rights because of a "cause" or whatever. If you don't like guns, fine, don't use them, but be glad as hell you have the right to.

huh? First you say "The Bill of Rights is one of the most important things in this country, and to go back and say "Well, it's outdated" questions are entire Constitution." but then you list admendents. Admendments exist because the Constitution is outdated. Wasn't it written by slave owners?

Adrian B AWESOME
06-25-2005, 12:51 PM
I could type out some long winded response about my opnions on this. But some redneck fuck would just yell "I love the Constitution and America, you fucking hippie! I'll rape you and shoot you with my GUN!"

So I won't. I will say, fuck you, fuck the Constitution, and fuck every private citizen needing a gun. Or the right for any private citizen to own anything, just becaue this is America.
Yeah, COMMUNISM RULES.

Since, you know, it's working out REAL well for Cuba and it did AMAZING things for the USSR.

Fuck the private citizen and fuck the constitution?

The irony is, without the constitution, you really couldn't think or say that freely.

Adrian B AWESOME
06-25-2005, 12:52 PM
huh? First you say "The Bill of Rights is one of the most important things in this country, and to go back and say "Well, it's outdated" questions are entire Constitution." but then you list admendents. Admendments exist because the Constitution is outdated. Wasn't it written by slave owners?
OH NO! PEOPLE OWNED SLAVES!??!?!

OMG! THEY ARE EVIL AND SHOULD BE CRUCIFIED!

Read it again, one more time, read it again...

Do you even know what the Bill of Rights is?

I'm done with this, since it's like talking to a 16 year-old wearing an "anarchy rules!" t-shirt.

All I have to say is this: Stop worrying about changing other people and worrying about changing yourself.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 12:54 PM
Then move to Japan since you always talk about how much better it is than the US anyways.

Oh, and I thought this was "ironic"

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/22/news_6128036.html

Don't worry, I will. I don't think Japan is "better" than the US, just more suited for my tastes. (the college/getting a job system sucks. we are lucky not to have that here). No country is without it's wackos.

There are many countries with strict gun control. I think England is one of them, I'm just not familiar with them, so I won't use them to back my points.

Adrian B AWESOME
06-25-2005, 12:56 PM
Don't worry, I will. I don't think Japan is "better" than the US, just more suited for my tastes. (the college/getting a job system sucks. we are lucky not to have that here). No country is without it's wackos.

There are many countries with strict gun control. I think England is one of them, I'm just not familiar with them, so I won't use them to back my points.
Because England has had major gun crimes increase every year since removing guns from being held by private citizens.

aj110
06-25-2005, 12:56 PM
I own a gun. there is a gun in my apartment at all times. I don't feel comfortable relying on others to protect me should the need arise. Cops are there to solve crimes and arrest criminals, rarely are they there to stop people from being hurt. That's why I own a gun.

Adrian B AWESOME
06-25-2005, 12:57 PM
I own a gun. there is a gun in my apartment at all times. I don't feel comfortable relying on others to protect me should the need arise. Cops are there to solve crimes and arrest criminals, rarely are they there to stop people from being hurt. That's why I own a gun.
YOU ARE DESTROYING AMERICA.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 12:58 PM
OH NO! PEOPLE OWNED SLAVES!??!?!

OMG! THEY ARE EVIL AND SHOULD BE CRUCIFIED!

Read it again, one more time, read it again...

Do you even know what the Bill of Rights is?

no. i have no clue.

nice avatar, though

aj110
06-25-2005, 12:59 PM
YOU ARE DESTROYING AMERICA.

It's true.

RegularJoe
06-25-2005, 01:00 PM
I don't blame the game. I blame shitty parenting, and poor gun laws (they let someone with kids who didn't lock away their gun have a gun). if gun control was implemented in this country, those two people would be alive today.

load. of. horseshit.

without guns, they'll find knives. without knives, they'll find rocks. without rocks, they'll find their bear hands. bad parenting in that case? yes. but they were bad parents whether the gun was there or not. deal with bad parenting as an issue and then guns as an issue. they aren't inexorably linked, so don't try to make them.

Smokinblues
06-25-2005, 01:01 PM
aren't you guys paying attention? kaptain and i already settled this issue.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 01:03 PM
YOU ARE DESTROYING AMERICA.
you're attitude is uncalled for. I am earnestly interested in aj110 reasons for owning a gun and I am happy that he shared. I did not lose any respect for him (just because I don't like guns doesn't mean I don't like gun owners).

take your sarcasm somewhere else. I'm cool with opposing opinions. I like dialogue between different points of view. I understand that my opinion is pretty radical and might offend some people, so I try to handle it with respect and care and actual facts to back up what I have said. I'm sick of you trying to start shit.

RegularJoe
06-25-2005, 01:04 PM
huh? First you say "The Bill of Rights is one of the most important things in this country, and to go back and say "Well, it's outdated" questions are entire Constitution." but then you list admendents. Admendments exist because the Constitution is outdated. Wasn't it written by slave owners?

whole lotta sarcasm in the "it's outdated" response.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 01:06 PM
load. of. horseshit.

without guns, they'll find knives. without knives, they'll find rocks. without rocks, they'll find their bear hands. bad parenting in that case? yes. but they were bad parents whether the gun was there or not. deal with bad parenting as an issue and then guns as an issue. they aren't inexorably linked, so don't try to make them.

so, you are saying that the kids were set on killing strangers driving by in their cars because of a video game and that they would use their bare hands if they didn't have a gun?

The kids wanted to shoot people.

Smokinblues
06-25-2005, 01:10 PM
so, you are saying that the kids were set on killing strangers driving by in their cars because of a video game and that they would use their bare hands if they didn't have a gun?

The kids wanted to shoot people.

that's extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeme over simplification. it's not some fascination with shooting people that causes violence. it's the desire to do harm. if it were possible to remove all the guns from criminals it would be an awesome thing. But it's not. it would work about as well as prohibition or the drug war has.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 01:14 PM
that's extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeme over simplification. it's not some fascination with shooting people that causes violence. it's the desire to do harm. if it were possible to remove all the guns from criminals it would be an awesome thing. But it's not. it would work about as well as prohibition or the drug war has.

That's a good point, I agree.

I'm saying guns make it easy and accessible.

innocentboy
06-25-2005, 02:27 PM
load. of. horseshit.

without guns, they'll find knives. without knives, they'll find rocks. without rocks, they'll find their bear hands. bad parenting in that case? yes. but they were bad parents whether the gun was there or not. deal with bad parenting as an issue and then guns as an issue. they aren't inexorably linked, so don't try to make them.
i agree to an extent ... but can you blame parents for being bad parents (taking into account that we already know us kids get influenced by other factors other than just parents)

i mean, you're dealing with the psychological factor no matter what form it manifests right? what about taking it another step ....

like guns to kids, kids to parents, parents to what?

get what i'm saying?

no?
*shrugs*
just made a chicken burger. gonna eat now.

God bless,
innocentboy
http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/isaiah2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/kay3.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/david2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/das2.jpghttp://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery//songofsongs/richard2.jpg
my visual art: http://www.innocentboyproductions.com (http://www.innocentboyproductions.com) last updated June 11, 2005
Song of Songs the Comic Book: http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com (http://www.songofsongsthecomicbook.com) last updated June 11, 2005
"an innovative force on the rise." - MusicVideoBox.com
nosebleed, nosebleed, rain, nosebleed, nosebleed, yawn

RegularJoe
06-25-2005, 02:37 PM
so, you are saying that the kids were set on killing strangers driving by in their cars because of a video game and that they would use their bare hands if they didn't have a gun?

The kids wanted to shoot people.

first of all- i apologize for the "horseshit" bit. it had no place in a debate that has remained mostly pleasant until that.

second - there's a book i read called 'anatomy of a motive'. written by the guy who invented FBI profiling. his take is that exposure to media violence does not create the desire to do harm. what it does is provide a person who already has the inclination to do harm with an new method or way of causing it. without the media exposure, they'd find a way to do the harm anyway.

the GUN did not cause these kids to misbehave. the gun was the method they chose to cause the harm, not the inspiration for it.

removing the gun wouldn't have made the kids parents better. they would've found another violent outlet if that's what they were looking for.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 03:15 PM
first of all- i apologize for the "horseshit" bit. it had no place in a debate that has remained mostly pleasant until that.

second - there's a book i read called 'anatomy of a motive'. written by the guy who invented FBI profiling. his take is that exposure to media violence does not create the desire to do harm. what it does is provide a person who already has the inclination to do harm with an new method or way of causing it. without the media exposure, they'd find a way to do the harm anyway.

the GUN did not cause these kids to misbehave. the gun was the method they chose to cause the harm, not the inspiration for it.

removing the gun wouldn't have made the kids parents better. they would've found another violent outlet if that's what they were looking for.

it's cool

I agree 100%

My gripe is how easy the gun made it. It's a temptation that must have built up over time.

Guns make killing too easy. I went to a driving improvement class this morning (I got a ticket) and there was a section on road rage. A local karate teacher was killed with a desert eagle. As a karate teacher, that really hit me.. we're masters of fighting to keep peace, but all that can be taken away from a distance. Your life could be taken away from a distance because someone is wacko and all the training and experience you have does nothing because the killer is 10 feet away from you and bam. pisses me off.

DungeonMasterJim
06-25-2005, 03:42 PM
I have no problem with guns. I have a lot of family members that were in the military and some that are also combat veterans. Nobody in my family, and we have probably over 30 guns in our various houses, have ever come close to shooting anybody when it wasn't for the government in a time of war.

I have always liked guns because I grew up with them. I have never had the inclination to shoot anybody ever. I have a pistol permit so I can buy a gun. It makes me feel safer. I know some martial arts and like that too but I'll always prefer a gun over martial arts because I have a much better chance of defending myself successfully with a gun.

I also have a pistol permit so that I can retain my father's gun when he passes away. If I don't have the permit the government will take away my father's guns.

I have no problems with strict gun laws. I'm going to guess that Massachusetts has strict gun laws compared to other states for no other reason than that the Kennedy family made it's name here.

I do not want to lose my right to not have a gun. I'm not the biggest person in the world and when I'm older it's going to be even harder for me to defend myself.

My parents' house is literally one car length off the road on a mountain road. Ever so often it gets bombarded with everthing from eggs to paint ball guns to even having my friend's car windows shot out. It's in a generally respectable neighborhood where teenagers drive newer SUVs on a regular basis - in other words, they have little respect for other people's property in general. The cops have always been slow to respond despite the town station being only 1 and 1/2 miles away. Should those kids or whoever get brazen and break in, my elderly parents need to be able to defend themselves.

DM Jim - sorry for the long-windeness

RegularJoe
06-25-2005, 03:45 PM
it's cool

I agree 100%

My gripe is how easy the gun made it. It's a temptation that must have built up over time.

Guns make killing too easy. I went to a driving improvement class this morning (I got a ticket) and there was a section on road rage. A local karate teacher was killed with a desert eagle. As a karate teacher, that really hit me.. we're masters of fighting to keep peace, but all that can be taken away from a distance. Your life could be taken away from a distance because someone is wacko and all the training and experience you have does nothing because the killer is 10 feet away from you and bam. pisses me off.

they make it remarkably easy. here's the thing: cars make acting on rage really easy as well. so many things that are a part of our daily lives make the act of killing infinitely easier than it once was. the biggest difference between them and guns is that guns are constitutionally protected. "the right to bear arms". right there. sure, something about a well regulated militia, but there's nothing to say what that means and it's a debate for a different time. our constitution protects them. like it or not, barring a constitutional amendment guns are supremely protected by the constitution.

i'd rather owning a grenade launcher not be legal. but it is.

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 03:48 PM
I have no problem with guns. I have a lot of family members that were in the military and some that are also combat veterans. Nobody in my family, and we have probably over 30 guns in our various houses, have ever come close to shooting anybody when it wasn't for the government in a time of war.

I have always liked guns because I grew up with them. I have never had the inclination to shoot anybody ever. I have a pistol permit so I can buy a gun. It makes me feel safer. I know some martial arts and like that too but I'll always prefer a gun over martial arts because I have a much better chance of defending myself successfully with a gun.

I also have a pistol permit so that I can retain my father's gun when he passes away. If I don't have the permit the government will take away my father's guns.

I have no problems with strict gun laws. I'm going to guess that Massachusetts has strict gun laws compared to other states for no other reason than that the Kennedy family made it's name here.

I do not want to lose my right to not have a gun. I'm not the biggest person in the world and when I'm older it's going to be even harder for me to defend myself.

My parents' house is literally one car length off the road on a mountain road. Ever so often it gets bombarded with everthing from eggs to paint ball guns to even having my friend's car windows shot out. It's in a generally respectable neighborhood where teenagers drive newer SUVs on a regular basis - in other words, they have little respect for other people's property in general. The cops have always been slow to respond despite the town station being only 1 and 1/2 miles away. Should those kids or whoever get brazen and break in, my elderly parents need to be able to defend themselves.

DM Jim - sorry for the long-windeness

that's very interesting. if you lived in a country with strict civilian gun control, do you think you would feel safer? (as opposed living in an area where kids are armed an up to trouble, yet you are also armed) (i'm not trying to bust your chops, I really want to know)

thanks for sharing,
michael

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 03:53 PM
they make it remarkably easy. here's the thing: cars make acting on rage really easy as well. so many things that are a part of our daily lives make the act of killing infinitely easier than it once was. the biggest difference between them and guns is that guns are constitutionally protected. "the right to bear arms". right there. sure, something about a well regulated militia, but there's nothing to say what that means and it's a debate for a different time. our constitution protects them. like it or not, barring a constitutional amendment guns are supremely protected by the constitution.

i'd rather owning a grenade launcher not be legal. but it is.
true, though cars are built for transportation. few people use cars as weapons.

guns were built for killing. but many civilians use guns for sport.

is it an evolution of archery?

Ascius
06-25-2005, 04:18 PM
I've read about half this thread now, and I really don't give a damn that I'm in the minority here...

Firstly, no, I don't own a gun, but I would like to, in fact, I'd like everyone to. I'd love to be surrounded by a population made up of people trained and knowledgeable in firearms. Why am I this crazy, you might wonder?

Have you ever seen a store get robbed? The robber usually has a gun, and everyone else, including the clerk, gets to cower to him. Where's the policeman with his firearm to protect everyone? Not there. If 1 in 5000 people has a gun, that's your odds of having someone there to protect you from a gun bearing criminal. If guns are outlawed, there's no chance of anyone but a criminal having a gun. On the other hand, if half of everyone has a gun, do you think a criminal would try and rob a store with 4 people in it? Maybe if he was desperate, but a rational person would realize 2 or 3 of those people might be carrying guns, and in this scenario, the clerk very likely would have one too.

Many of you may not want to own guns, that's fine. I want the ability to defend myself and my loved ones on equal terms with those who would harm or take from me. Outlawing guns just makes that impossible for law abiding citizens. Because regardless of what you do, illegal items will fall into the hands of criminals.

DungeonMasterJim
06-25-2005, 04:21 PM
I can't really say if I'd feel safer living in a country that has more restricted access for gunns because I haven't experienced that. It's always been guns are cool but to be respected kinda attitude for my environment. I think I would feel safer if there was just less crime overall though.

I vaguely remember something along the lines of a study between Detriot and the Canadian metropolis near it (Toronto maybe? my knowledge of that area of geography is less than absolute :lol: ). Anyways, the cities receive the same TV stations and shows but Detroit was a way more violent city.

People are just disenfranchised I guess, which leads to more violence.

I'm actually way more worried about the drunk driver on the street though than some crook/wacko with a gun. If the media treated drunk driving the same way it treats gun violence I would guess that more steps would be taken to stop drunks.

DM Jim

Persevering Guy
06-25-2005, 04:26 PM
I've read about half this thread now, and I really don't give a damn that I'm in the minority here...

Firstly, no, I don't own a gun, but I would like to, in fact, I'd like everyone to. I'd love to be surrounded by a population made up of people trained and knowledgeable in firearms. Why am I this crazy, you might wonder?

Have you ever seen a store get robbed? The robber usually has a gun, and everyone else, including the clerk, gets to cower to him. Where's the policeman with his firearm to protect everyone? Not there. If 1 in 5000 people has a gun, that's your odds of having someone there to protect you from a gun bearing criminal. If guns are outlawed, there's no chance of anyone but a criminal having a gun. On the other hand, if half of everyone has a gun, do you think a criminal would try and rob a store with 4 people in it? Maybe if he was desperate, but a rational person would realize 2 or 3 of those people might be carrying guns, and in this scenario, the clerk very likely would have one too.

Many of you may not want to own guns, that's fine. I want the ability to defend myself and my loved ones on equal terms with those who would harm or take from me. Outlawing guns just makes that impossible for law abiding citizens. Because regardless of what you do, illegal items will fall into the hands of criminals.

actually, it's 1 in 5 people, not 1 in 5000 that have guns in the US.

Do you really want everyone to carry guns? Look at how much people snap on the road. Do you ever get angry or pissed off? Have you ever felt like hurting someone out of anger? Now imagine someone with those feelings, a gun, and little control.

There are other ways to defend yourself. Maybe not againts a gun, but most confrontations don't involve firearms.

Ascius
06-25-2005, 04:44 PM
actually, it's 1 in 5 people, not 1 in 5000 that have guns in the US.

Do you really want everyone to carry guns? Look at how much people snap on the road. Do you ever get angry or pissed off? Have you ever felt like hurting someone out of anger? Now imagine someone with those feelings, a gun, and little control.

There are other ways to defend yourself. Maybe not againts a gun, but most confrontations don't involve firearms.

I can curbstomp someone in the heat of rage, it's no harder than firing a gun. The point about having a little control means you've had someone sit you down and teach you to respect the gun and understand its power. People send their kids to learn karate and other martial arts, we obviously haven't been producing little ninjae that kill without thought, how would gun training be different?

As for defending myself, why wouldn't I want a gun if my attacker may have a knife or baseball bat? Why would I want to rely on the chance he DOESN'T have a gun?

The fear of "everyone will go crazy and kill eachother if we're all armed" is irrational. Would you start shooting at people if they're going to all shoot back? would people be able to go on double digit killing sprees anymore? No, they'd be put down like the wild animals they are. Culling is good for society, and I'd welcome it.

Busman
06-25-2005, 04:45 PM
30,000 people die by Firearms a year, this is true, but let's put this in perspective...

It's about the same number of people who commit suicide each year
It's about the same number of people who die from adverse reactions to perscription drugs.
It's about the same number of people who die from motor vehicle accidents
It's LESS THAN HALF of the number of people who die from Alcohol related deaths
It's not even 1/10 of the number of people who die probably due to be lazy fat bastards (heart disease is the number one killer in america with nearly 700,000 deaths a year, I'm not counting all of that here)

Should we outlaw all of those things as well?

We've tried with Alcohol, it was a miserable, miserable failure.

Canada has something on the order of 3-4 times the ownership of guns than the USA but its death by firearms is WAY lower.
Every house in Switzerland is REQUIRED BY LAW to have a fully automatic machinegun in the house for defense: again the death by firearms rate is much lower.

Banning guns does nothing. They've been doing it for years and years and years, and yet the rate remains pretty consistent. Complete banning will, as others have eluded to, push guns into the black market and criminals hands, which will probably end up having the same results as it did when we tried to outlaw Alcohol.

I believe the answer lies not in the banning of guns, but rather in the increase in education of handling, use, and respect for guns. This is why countries like Canada and Switzerland have more guns per capita but lower death rates: because there is a responsible gun culture.

I think the same thing for drugs, too, btw. We need to legalize, tax, create a responsible culture around their use. The war on drugs is doing more harm to this country than the war on iraq ever will.

PS: I'm sure it will come to no surpise after reading this that I am a Libertarian.
PPS: No, I don't own a gun.

DungeonMasterJim
06-25-2005, 04:52 PM
Every house in Switzerland is REQUIRED BY LAW to have a fully automatic machinegun in the house for defense: again the death by firearms rate is much lower.

Whua?!?!?!?!?! :shock:


Good grief! I'll NEVER start any trouble if I ever go to Switzerland! I'd end up :dead:

DM Jim - who agrees that banning things only seems to cause the law to be broken even more.

Busman
06-25-2005, 04:58 PM
It's for national defense, not home defense, and the bullets are audited frequently to make sure people aren't misusing the guns. But yah, don't cause trouble in Switzerland.

lyra
06-25-2005, 04:59 PM
My opinion on guns...revolvers are way sexier than pistols.

And I have a lot more love for shotguns than rifles...

You ever look at the engraving on some of the nicer ones?
Wood or metal work.
Beautiful...
Look beyond the weapon of death aspect...there's beauty there.
I swear.

WinterRose
06-27-2005, 06:04 AM
I think I'd like the one of the newer model Walther P-9's or a Steyr M-Series Supernines. I'm not about hurting anyone with the thing, but my own feeling is that sometime in the next 50 years, I'm very likely going to need one for self or home defense. Against whom? Who knows. Rioters or invaders when everything goes to shit? Maybe. The police or the Department of Patriotism when I'm convicted without trial of being an unamerican dissident... Maybe. It's a cliche I know. But I think I'd rather have one and not need it then need one and not have one.

Balthazar
06-27-2005, 06:34 AM
I own three guns. I don't hunt, but I enjoy target practice and am of the mind that it is better to have one and not need it. I agree that there should be strict laws concerning ownership, but I do not believe they should be banned.

sumopanda
06-27-2005, 06:38 AM
Let's talk about guns, baby! Let's talk about you - and - me! Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things - that - may - be! Let's talk abooout guns! :boogie:

Sorry, first thing that popped in my head when I saw the subject. I'll uh... i'll just go now...

Keith P.
06-27-2005, 06:39 AM
I can't sum up my opinion anymore eloquently than this.

http://www.imgmag.org/images/brytanica1/7687797.jpg

WAKKAJAWAKKA
06-27-2005, 06:41 AM
I won't budge that guns should be illegal. They make killing easy and they are made to kill. They just should not exist for the general public's consumption.

Having said that, I would like to know why you choose to own a gun. I will respect your opinions. I want to understand the psychology behind owning guns.

It's Just As Easy To Kill With A Knife, Or A Bat, Or A Tire Iron, Or A Brick, Or A Pipe, Or A Wrench, Or A Hammer, Or A Screwdriver, Or A Glass Bottle, Or A Nail Gun.

I Own Guns, Many Actually, Because I Enjoy Taget shooting. It's Great Competition, And It's Fun.

Wayno.

WAKKAJAWAKKA
06-27-2005, 08:13 AM
where do you draw the line? should we be able to have bombs, too?

and no i'm not joking. ask people around the world in gun controlled countries what they fear most about coming to the US. they fear getting shot. i know this from discussion with internationals.

how is it a flat out farce?

Is That Just Who You Have Talked To? I haven't Heard That From People That Move Here.

Wayno.

Ashton
06-27-2005, 09:25 AM
I am a gun owner. I don't hunt anymore (did when I was young) but I like to target shoot and keep a handgun for home defense. I've never had to use it and hope I never will. I think that owning a gun is an enormous responsibility and that you are help accountable for it. I don't keep the gun loaded or the clip inside it- its kept locked up in my closet.
I like guns- I think growing up between me, my brother and my dad there were probably about 8 or more guns in the house...that was in rural Oregon though. But I also support a lot of the gun control laws out there as well. I think there should be a strict background check and a waiting period. Just like driving an automobile is regulated so should owning a gun.
Handguns are especially dangerous- I've tought my wife and 15 year old adopted daughter how to handle it, and how not to handle it. They should know about it and not let it be a mystery. I'm not in the NRA though.

Bill?
06-27-2005, 09:34 AM
I've never had much a problem with people owning guns. my brother in law has like a hundred.
I think maybe people should have to pass a safety test to own one.
I mean, you need to do that to get a drivers license.

Amos Moses
06-27-2005, 09:41 AM
Just FYI, when Clinton was pres and he pushed the Brady Bill and Assault Weapons ban, gun violence went down, so gun control works here.

I personally think a gun is a cowardly weapon, regardless of who is using it. I think Batman said guns turn cowards into killers, and I couldn't agree with that more. On an unrelated note, when I hear someone say "AK-47" I get a stiffy. Thats such a bitchin word.

Adrian B AWESOME
06-27-2005, 09:44 AM
Just FYI, when Clinton was pres and he pushed the Brady Bill and Assault Weapons ban, gun violence went down, so gun control works here.

I personally think a gun is a cowardly weapon, regardless of who is using it. I think Batman said guns turn cowards into killers, and I couldn't agree with that more. On an unrelated note, when I hear someone say "AK-47" I get a stiffy. Thats such a bitchin word.
Considering Batman used to use guns as well.

Amos Moses
06-27-2005, 09:48 AM
Considering Batman used to use guns as well.


But his guns fire magic grappling hooks and tear gas grandes, so he gets a free pass.

Adrian B AWESOME
06-27-2005, 09:50 AM
But his guns fire magic grappling hooks and tear gas grandes, so he gets a free pass.
No, I mean guns with bullets that killed people.

Like this vampire.

http://www.onceinoticediwasonfireidecidedtorelaxandenjoyt hefall.org/merkabah/archives/detective13-thumb.jpg

Bobby Kane didn't care if Batman killed people or not. Because he used to ALL THE TIME.

greg donovan
06-27-2005, 09:55 AM
i own a gun but it is at my parents house.

it is .22 rifle. i used it for target shooting. its a fun challenging skill to learn.

i also own a bow. that i have here and is also for target shooting.

moonspider
06-27-2005, 09:58 AM
screw guns....gimmine KITT!!!
http://www.talkingelectronics.com/Projects/KittScanner/images/kitt.gif
"douche chill, michael. Douche chill"

Bill?
06-27-2005, 09:59 AM
No, I mean guns with bullets that killed people.

Like this vampire.

http://www.onceinoticediwasonfireidecidedtorelaxandenjoyt hefall.org/merkabah/archives/detective13-thumb.jpg

Bobby Kane didn't care if Batman killed people or not. Because he used to ALL THE TIME.


you know, its weird, but the part that bothers me most about this is not that batman uses a gun. batman was a violent mother in his original comics, ok. but you can't kill a vampire with gun!

moonspider
06-27-2005, 10:02 AM
you know, its weird, but the part that bothers me most about this is not that batman uses a gun. batman was a violent mother in his original comics, ok. but you can't kill a vampire with gun!




that is kinda weird...wont the vampire comeback?
unless it's garlic bullets