Frank Darabont brings THE WALKING DEAD to AMC, Sundays at 10PM

[dougmac]

Hopefully they do something neat with Rooker and have him come back and be a team player or something. Other than that bland character, loving everything else. I'm actually finding that I hope it deviates more since I already know the story as it is in the comic and don't really want to see it so verbatim.

maybe I'm being naive or just want it to be better, but I cannot believe that a team of Kirkman, AMC, and Darabont would get someone like Rooker to play such a one note character in a real brief role; instead I would think they'd get him for a better role that starts out shallow and adds some depth or layers (or at least gives him a little more to do). Especially since they showed him in the preview for the next episode and got Norman Reedus to play his brother. I know they aren't Oscar worthy actors, but they are better than your average bit part players.

[Thudpucker]

The fences of a prison are taller, and have barbed or razor wire at the top.

Razor wire won't mean much to dead people. They'd simply keep pulling their way thru it, tangling themselves in it. Piling up, climbing over the bodies of other zombies who get stuck.

There were zombies in last nights episode who actually picked up large rocks and used them to smash the storefront windows. Zombies that can think on a primative level like that would find a way to get over a fence.

[DC Camel]

I'm sure Rooker's character will be back. That whole situation reeked of setting up future rivalry. I don't think they showed the hacksaw falling over for nothing. Also humans can't get over a prison fence successfuly let alone zombies.


Also about the fences later
There aren't as many zombies in the wilderness as there are in the cities and if you read the books they periodcially went around to clear the zombies near the fence to make sure they wouldn't break it down with their weight. Glenn even invented an easy way to kill them.

[majorjoe23]

Razor wire won't mean much to dead people. They'd simply keep pulling their way thru it, tangling themselves in it. Piling up, climbing over the bodies of other zombies who get stuck.

There were zombies in last nights episode who actually picked up large rocks and used them to smash the storefront windows. Zombies that can think on a primative level like that would find a way to get over a fence.

Or they might think "Maybe I could smash that fence with this rock!" and achieve nothing.

[Thudpucker]

I'm sure Rooker's character will be back. That whole situation reeked of setting up future rivalry. I don't think they showed the hacksaw falling over for nothing. Also humans can't get over a prison fence successfuly let alone zombies.


Also about the fences later
There aren't as many zombies in the wilderness as there are in the cities and if you read the books they periodcially went around to clear the zombies near the fence to make sure they wouldn't break it down with their weight. Glenn even invented an easy way to kill them.

Kirkman used Romero-style zombies. That's why the prison idea worked so well, and why what you mention would work.

The zombies in the tv show are not the same. They are able to run. They are limber, they can not only climb but they can jump from the top of a 10 foot fence and land on their feet. That means they have pretty good balance and reflexes. They can problem solve to some extent, turn door knobs and use tools.

The changes they are making are not incidental, they're significant. The zombies in this TV show are a much bigger threat than the ones in the comic are, it's going to effect how the survivors must react.

A Prison fence isn't going to be a barrier that lasts very long against the type of zombie the show is using.

[TIP]

Call the Brain Police!

[BriRedfern]

Kirkman used Romero-style zombies. That's why the prison idea worked so well, and why what you mention would work.

The zombies in the tv show are not the same. They are able to run. They are limber, they can not only climb but they can jump from the top of a 10 foot fence and land on their feet. That means they have pretty good balance and reflexes. They can problem solve to some extent, turn door knobs and use tools.

The changes they are making are not incidental, they're significant. The zombies in this TV show are a much bigger threat than the ones in the comic are, it's going to effect how the survivors must react.

A Prison fence isn't going to be a barrier that lasts very long against the type of zombie the show is using.

An easy enough fix would be a prison with walls instead of fences.

Makes more sense from a production cost angle as well, as you don't need to constantly show the zombies at the fence in the background.

[Thudpucker]

An easy enough fix would be a prison with walls instead of fences.

That could work.

There are solutions to all the problems. It's just worth noting that the zombie threat in the TV show is significantly different than that of the comic.

[BURKE]

You know it wouldnt hurt to just put all of the microscopes away and just enjoy the show.

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

Kirkman used Romero-style zombies. That's why the prison idea worked so well, and why what you mention would work.

The zombies in the tv show are not the same. They are able to run. They are limber, they can not only climb but they can jump from the top of a 10 foot fence and land on their feet. That means they have pretty good balance and reflexes. They can problem solve to some extent, turn door knobs and use tools.

The changes they are making are not incidental, they're significant. The zombies in this TV show are a much bigger threat than the ones in the comic are, it's going to effect how the survivors must react.

A Prison fence isn't going to be a barrier that lasts very long against the type of zombie the show is using.

They aren't really able to run though. They haven't shown any zombies sprinting after anybody. And a few zombies climbed the fence. They didn't all hoist themselves up and over. One zombie had a rock and smashed the window.

I mean, this is only the second episode. I don't really think we know "the rules" about the zombies yet. I don't know why people won't just give it some time before they start criticizing everything. Let things develop and unfold.

[Marc Lombardi]

You know it wouldnt hurt to just put all of the microscopes away and just enjoy the show.

"But I must compare it to other shows/concepts about zombies! I cannot treat this idea as something standalone. My fragile ego cannot contemplate someone taking an existing idea and manipulating it to mold to their own unique vision!"

[Fake Pat]

"But I must compare it to other shows/concepts about zombies! I cannot treat this idea as something standalone. My fragile ego cannot contemplate someone taking an existing idea and manipulating it to mold to their own unique vision!"

Can we at least compare it to the first episode? Cause they acted very different.

[DaveCummings]

They aren't really able to run though. They haven't shown any zombies sprinting after anybody. And a few zombies climbed the fence. They didn't all hoist themselves up and over. One zombie had a rock and smashed the window.

I mean, this is only the second episode. I don't really think we know "the rules" about the zombies yet. I don't know why people won't just give it some time before they start criticizing everything. Let things develop and unfold.
Yeah, Darabont said that the zombies don't really run, but do move a little quicker when a food source is present. And when one of them lunges at a person, they move fairly quick. It's alot like Night of the Living Dead. The zombies towards the beginning, the same zombies that smashed the car window with a rock caught up with that car fairly quickly after it smashed into the tree.

[DaveCummings]

Can we at least compare it to the first episode? Cause they acted very different.

Not really

[Marc Lombardi]

Can we at least compare it to the first episode? Cause they acted very different.

How so? The same zombies we saw in the first episode acted differently? Or do you mean different zombies acted differently. Because the idea I'm getting is that different zombies act in different ways. The one thing they made clear is that some of the zombies have retained some human-like function other than the desire to eat. But aside from that, I still see lots of wandering, lots of looking for human flesh and lots of spastic movement/action and ravenous hunger when flesh is nearby.

[BriRedfern]

Not really

Yeah, they seemed to "run" when Rick rounded the corner at the end of the first episode.

[Fake Pat]

Yeah, they seemed to "run" when Rick rounded the corner at the end of the first episode.

Did they? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

The whole time him and Glenn were running in that last one I kept thinking "no way could Rick have even made it into Atlanta if they acted like that".

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

I think they lunge with some speed, and walk a little faster, but I don't remember seeing any of them running after anybody.

[Thudpucker]

"But I must compare it to other shows/concepts about zombies! I cannot treat this idea as something standalone. My fragile ego cannot contemplate someone taking an existing idea and manipulating it to mold to their own unique vision!"

"People who say and do things I don't do suck! Why can't everyone just be like me?"

[Marc Lombardi]

"People who say and do things I don't do suck! Why can't everyone just be like me?"

Just remember that you're the guy picking apart stuff for not making sense in a show about the dead coming back to life and walking around.

[Fake Pat]

Just remember that you're the guy picking apart stuff for not making sense in a show about the dead coming back to life and walking around.

There's a difference between external and internal logic. People aren't looking for consistency with real life, they're looking for consistency within the show's universe.

[Stark Raving]

You know it wouldnt hurt to just put all of the microscopes away and just enjoy the show.
Forget it, Burke. It's Teh Internets.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I don't know if any of you are near Austin, but the Alamo Drafthouse is showing the eps for free every Sunday. Walking Dead on the big screen... and BEER!

[cmoney]

Can I say something to the "just enjoy the show" crowd? What makes you think we don't want to? Do you think we sit there with our "microscopes" trying to kill any glimmer of entertainment we get from it? It's such an absurd argument.

[Marc Lombardi]

There's a difference between external and internal logic. People aren't looking for consistency with real life, they're looking for consistency within the show's universe.

Where is the inconsistency in the show's universe?

[A.Huerta]

Did they? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

The whole time him and Glenn were running in that last one I kept thinking "no way could Rick have even made it into Atlanta if they acted like that".

I think you're assuming too much.

If you want to be really "realistic" don't use the movies as references. We would have no idea how the world would really be if Zombies took over. Would they be everywhere? Would they eat each other? would they only travel in packs? do they go were theres more people, like big cities? malls? Would some zombies be dumber than others? Maybe some could run and some could climb depending on the extent of the zombies injuries etc.. We don't know.

And there were smart ones in the first episode, like the mom trying to open the door. Turning a knob is pretty complicated.

[Thudpucker]

There's a difference between external and internal logic. People aren't looking for consistency with real life, they're looking for consistency within the show's universe.

Exactly.

Part of the fun for some people is in analyzing stories, make believe or not.

[Doug]

I don't know if any of you are near Austin, but the Alamo Drafthouse is showing the eps for free every Sunday. Walking Dead on the big screen... and BEER!

I've never wanted to live in Texas before (too damn hot), but that is a solid argument.

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

Can I say something to the "just enjoy the show" crowd? What makes you think we don't want to? Do you think we sit there with our "microscopes" trying to kill any glimmer of entertainment we get from it? It's such an absurd argument.

But it just doesn't seem like you sit back an enjoy it. It seems like you watch it trying to find things to critique. I mean, how much entertainment can you get from something if you sit there and over analyze every little thing?

[Stark Raving]

Can I say something to the "just enjoy the show" crowd? What makes you think we don't want to? Do you think we sit there with our "microscopes" trying to kill any glimmer of entertainment we get from it? It's such an absurd argument.
Perhaps you should go back and review this thread.

[edwardmblake]

But it just doesn't seem like you sit back an enjoy it. It seems like you watch it trying to find things to critique. I mean, how much entertainment can you get from something if you sit there and over analyze every little thing?

Because we are not mindless zombies?

[Marc Lombardi]

Because we are not mindless zombies?

But if we were, some of us would hold rocks. And others would climb fences. But fuck you slow ones who just wander and hobble. I'm gonna grab that rock!

[cmoney]

But it just doesn't seem like you sit back an enjoy it. It seems like you watch it trying to find things to critique. I mean, how much entertainment can you get from something if you sit there and over analyze every little thing?

I don't read, watch, or listen to anything passively. It's not my definition of enjoyment. Doesn't mean I read, watch, or listen to anything with the goal of not liking it. If I don't think I'll like it, I don't waste my time with it in the first place.


Perhaps you should go back and review this thread.

Again, that's absurd. I don't think anyone in this thread came in here just to piss on your parade. They watched the show because they were interested in it, and found they had some legitimate problems with it.

[A.Huerta]

I don't read, watch, or listen to anything passively. It's not my definition of enjoyment. Doesn't mean I read, watch, or listen to anything with the goal of not liking it. If I don't think I'll like it, I don't waste my time with it in the first place.



Again, that's absurd. I don't think anyone in this thread came in here just to piss on your parade. They watched the show because they were interested in it, and found they had some legitimate problems with it.

legitimate?

So far theres been 3 constant, very, very, lame complaints. The racist redneck (they exist so I don't see that problem) Zombie picking up a rock/climbing fence ( zombies aren't real so that can happen too) and The tank door being left open in lasts episode which was someones elses problem on another board. (that complaint was pretty dumb too)

[cmoney]

legitimate?

So far theres been 3 constant, very, very, lame complaints. The racist redneck (they exist so I don't see that problem) Zombie picking up a rock/climbing fence ( zombies aren't real so that can happen too) and The tank door being left open in lasts episode which was someones elses problem on another board. (that complaint was pretty dumb too)

Your agreement isn't required. I was disappointed in the episode as a follow-up to what I thought was a good pilot. That opinion didn't come out of the blue. And I must say, I think the counter-arguments here are a bit slight.

I hope future episodes improve and deliver more on the promise of the pilot. At the very least, I hope that if the Rooker character returns, he becomes more of a character and less of a caricature.

[Doug]

I'm going to be the crazy guy.

I liked the second episode better than the pilot.

I thought the zombies were more of a threat, and thus scarier.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'm going to be the crazy guy.

I liked the second episode better than the pilot.

I thought the zombies were more of a threat, and thus scarier.

Don't know if better is the right word for me, but I liked it equally for different reasons than the first..

[Doug]

Don't know if better is the right word for me, but I liked it equally for different reasons than the first..

I felt that the zombies were more of a threat in the second episode. Possibly because there were more of them.

The pilot introduced the viewers to the world of the zombies, but episode 2 upped the danger level. They got into the store. I never really felt dread for Rick, Morgan, and Duane in the first episode. As for the people holed up in the store, definate dread there.

[cmoney]

I felt that the zombies were more of a threat in the second episode. Possibly because there were more of them.

The pilot introduced the viewers to the world of the zombies, but episode 2 upped the danger level. They got into the store. I never really felt dread for Rick, Morgan, and Duane in the first episode. As for the people holed up in the store, definate dread there.

Whereas I thought being barricaded in the house with the full realization of what kind of world they now lived in was way more creepy and interesting than the typical overrun-by-zombies plot points of the second episode. I liked the more character-oriented pilot in comparison to the plot-oriented second episode because I feel most zombie stories are more plot than character already.

[Fake Pat]

legitimate?

So far theres been 3 constant, very, very, lame complaints. The racist redneck (they exist so I don't see that problem) Zombie picking up a rock/climbing fence ( zombies aren't real so that can happen too) and The tank door being left open in lasts episode which was someones elses problem on another board. (that complaint was pretty dumb too)

There's nothing wrong with having a "racist redneck" character. There's a problem with making that character so thin that the second you hear his voice you know EXACTLY what's gonna happen.

It was super cheesy.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

You know what, if you don't enjoy what The Walking Dead is trying to do STOP WATCHING.

Stop trying to analyze shit that doesn't exist on the show. Stop wishing the show was something it's not, stop hoping the show becomes what you specifically want it to become.

If you like to be scared and enjoy creative, fun writing for talented actors and the first time Michael Rooker has been anything close to his old self in the last 20 years, watch The Walking Dead and enjoy it.

Is the show perfect? Not at all. But you know what, it's compelling. Very compelling. And sometimes, that's more than enough.

[Thudpucker]

I'm going to be the crazy guy.

I liked the second episode better than the pilot.

I thought the zombies were more of a threat, and thus scarier.

I think the Romero-style zombies are scarier personally. A never-ending sea of slow, shambling death.

The threat is less apparent so people might start to hope. Zombies like that could lull a person into routine. You could almost feel safe, like you could beat death if you just do all the right things.

Sooner or later though something will go wrong.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Romero's zombies picked up rocks and other tools at random in Night of the Living Dead without any prior explanation that they could do show.

This first season sets the rules, regardless of what anyone thinks. In this world zombies can pick things up and use them. In this world racism doesn't die with the rest of the world. In this world Lori is still a giant slut.

Why not watch the show as what it is intended to be: a season-long show. After Episode 6 if you've still got problems, voice them. But the show has had two episodes.

Two episodes into The Wire, most of the principle cast hadn't even showed up! The main conflict of the Shield finally happened at the END of episode 1. These things take time to develop and lay the ground work.

Now everyone shut up and watch TV.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Hell, Buffy didn't really have set rules until, basically, the end of Season 2, and even then it proceeded to break them constantly.

In the immortal words of Grant Morrison "It can happen because it's fiction. It's not real."

[Thudpucker]

You know what, if you don't enjoy what The Walking Dead is trying to do STOP WATCHING.

Stop trying to analyze shit that doesn't exist on the show. Stop wishing the show was something it's not, stop hoping the show becomes what you specifically want it to become.

If you like to be scared and enjoy creative, fun writing for talented actors and the first time Michael Rooker has been anything close to his old self in the last 20 years, watch The Walking Dead and enjoy it.

Is the show perfect? Not at all. But you know what, it's compelling. Very compelling. And sometimes, that's more than enough.

I'm with Adrian! People who do things we don't do piss us off!

Who the hell do you guys think you are anyway? You think you can get away with doing your own thing? You disgust us. :-x

[BriRedfern]

There's nothing wrong with having a "racist redneck" character. There's a problem with making that character so thin that the second you hear his voice you know EXACTLY what's gonna happen.

It was super cheesy.
But there really are people that the second they open their mouth, you know they are about to say some stupid shit. :)

[Adrian B AWESOME]

But there really are people that the second they open their mouth, you know they are about to say some stupid shit. :)

Or, say, see a screen name on a message board and you roll your eyes saying "Oh, this again."

I know that's what you really meant, I just wanted to clarify for the folks at home.

[TIP]

I know that's what you really meant, I just wanted to clarify for the folks at home.

I've got my hurm boarded up since I've just learned there are tool-using fuckin' zombies!

:scared:

[Kirblar]

If the guy had just been an insanely impulsive violent guy, without the racist elements, it would have been a lot more effective, and a lot less cliche.

[cmoney]

Jesus, some people. Is this REALLY what needs to happen to these threads whenever someone doesn't like what you like, guys? It's tired.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Jesus, some people. Is this REALLY what needs to happen to these threads whenever someone doesn't like what you like, guys? It's tired.

Mine was mainly a joke as a similar thing broke out on the Community thread and I copy/pasted/edited my post from there. It's meant to be humorous, but I don't think anyone will notice.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

If the guy had just been an insanely impulsive violent guy, without the racist elements, it would have been a lot more effective, and a lot less cliche.

I agree. I have no problem with people complaining about the way it was done. It didn't sit quite right with me, but I waiting to see how it plays out.

The zombie/rock thing, though, is such nitpicky bullshit.

[Kirblar]

I agree. I have no problem with people complaining about the way it was done. It didn't sit quite right with me, but I waiting to see how it plays out.

The zombie/rock thing, though, is such nitpicky bullshit.
Especially since the first ep established that the Zombies have some degree of memory.

[TIP]

Can a zombie break a ten for me? I wanna buy a cuwa coffee anna piece a pie.

[Alexander Hamilton]

[jef UK]

Rock? Zombie?

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1181.snc4/150367_1572769553803_1072444583_1579926_2563503_n. jpg

[/jef uk]

[Matthew Brown]

Especially since the first ep established that the Zombies have some degree of memory.

From the first scene, the little girl zombie picked up a toy.

[Thudpucker]

If the guy had just been an insanely impulsive violent guy, without the racist elements, it would have been a lot more effective, and a lot less cliche.

Agreed.

[edwardmblake]

The zombie rules were probably set up in the comic book series. Having not read the whole thing, do the zombies climb fences, pick up rocks and dolls, and have memory in the books? (I admit I'm only up to the 4 trade)

Are there people with helicopters in the books?

Sorry to keep this going, but watching the second show, I don't know who all of those people were on the roof. Were they in the series?

[TheTravis!]

I still don't understand some of you fucking people.

[BriRedfern]

Or, say, see a screen name on a message board and you roll your eyes saying "Oh, this again."

I know that's what you really meant, I just wanted to clarify for the folks at home.

You are like subtitles for my brain. My brain!


'Mmmmmmmm... Brains....

[TIP]

Mmm...sub-titties.

To Das Boot, Seaman B!

[BriRedfern]

Ha!

[Thudpucker]

The zombie rules were probably set up in the comic book series. Having not read the whole thing, do the zombies climb fences, pick up rocks and dolls, and have memory in the books? (I admit I'm only up to the 4 trade)

Are there people with helicopters in the books?

Sorry to keep this going, but watching the second show, I don't know who all of those people were on the roof. Were they in the series?

Clearly you have not been paying attention. Those questions are all on the banned list, you are in violation.

[BriRedfern]

The zombie rules were probably set up in the comic book series. Having not read the whole thing, do the zombies climb fences, pick up rocks and dolls, and have memory in the books? (I admit I'm only up to the 4 trade)

Are there people with helicopters in the books?

Sorry to keep this going, but watching the second show, I don't know who all of those people were on the roof. Were they in the series?

No to most of those, yes to one,

[Thudpucker]

There was a helicopter in the series:

Rick and a few other characters followed it. It crashed, the people on board died. As far as I know the helicopter didn't have any big story implications in itself. Chasing the Copter is how they met 'The Governor', which didn't end well.

All but two of the characters Rick meets in the City, Glenn and Andrea, are new. In the comic only Glenn was in the city.

[Doug]

[jef UK]

Rock? Zombie?

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1181.snc4/150367_1572769553803_1072444583_1579926_2563503_n. jpg

[/jef uk]

I just managed to get Americans UK song Zombies Attack out of my head, and there you go putting it right back in.

"It starts like any other day...."

[edwardmblake]

No to most of those, yes to one,

Thanks...I think.

The show's good. I just hope that it ends up being more Robert Kirkman's The Walking Dead, and less like "Let's change some major things around like we did with the Prisoner remake" The Walking Dead.

[edwardmblake]

There was a helicopter in the series:

Rick and a few other characters followed it. It crashed, the people on board died. As far as I know the helicopter didn't have any big story implications in itself. Chasing the Copter is how they met 'The Governor', which didn't end well.

All but two of the characters Rick meets in the City, Glenn and Andrea, are new. In the comic only Glenn was in the city.

Thanks as well. I need to buy more of the trades.

[Doug]

I still don't understand some of you fucking people.

But do you still love us?

[R0cketFr0g]

Mine was mainly a joke as a similar thing broke out on the Community thread and I copy/pasted/edited my post from there. It's meant to be humorous, but I don't think anyone will notice.

It's possible that you're just not very funny.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Thanks...I think.

The show's good. I just hope that it ends up being more Robert Kirkman's The Walking Dead, and less like "Let's change some major things around like we did with the Prisoner remake" The Walking Dead.

Why would I want to see things the book has already done? Just read the book then. TV can do things comics can't and vice versa. A lot of what makes The Walking Dead great is what can only be done in a comic format. Now that it's on TV, they have the opportunity to do what might have been. Plotlines or ideas Kirkman dropped, stuff they could say "What if this did or didn't happen, what then?"

It's so much more interesting than seeing them play out the stuff from the book. Why would I want to watch a TV adaptation of a comic when I could read the comic? That is the largest (out of the many that it had) problem Watchmen had: too close to the source material.

And the idea that this is anything like The Prisoner is silly, as that was a remake of a cult material by an entirely different cast and crew trying to accomplish something entirely different than The Walking Dead is. Just because they're both on AMC has nothing to do with the behind the scenes of each show.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

It's possible that you're just not very funny.

You say it like there's doubt.

[R0cketFr0g]

You say it like there's doubt.

So isn't Darabont just changing things because he's pissed that Kirkman wrote the books already and didn't warn him that they were full of spoilers for the series?

[BriRedfern]

So isn't Darabont just changing things because he's pissed that Kirkman wrote the books already and didn't warn him that they were full of spoilers for the series?

It's possible that you're just not very funny.

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

I'm with Adrian.

[R0cketFr0g]

It's possible that you're just not very funny.

You say it like there's doubt.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

It's possible that you're just not very funny.

You say it like there's doubt.

[R0cketFr0g]

You say it like there's doubt.

See above.

[edwardmblake]

Why would I want to see things the book has already done? Just read the book then. TV can do things comics can't and vice versa. A lot of what makes The Walking Dead great is what can only be done in a comic format. Now that it's on TV, they have the opportunity to do what might have been. Plotlines or ideas Kirkman dropped, stuff they could say "What if this did or didn't happen, what then?"

It's so much more interesting than seeing them play out the stuff from the book. Why would I want to watch a TV adaptation of a comic when I could read the comic? That is the largest (out of the many that it had) problem Watchmen had: too close to the source material.

And the idea that this is anything like The Prisoner is silly, as that was a remake of a cult material by an entirely different cast and crew trying to accomplish something entirely different than The Walking Dead is. Just because they're both on AMC has nothing to do with the behind the scenes of each show.

Hi! I said I like the series. Apparently you do to. If it's important for you to tell me how to like it, and how I should think, and why you're right and I'm wrong, please feel free to continue.

I was just looking for some info about the series and some nice people gave it to me. My hopes for the series still stand. I look forward to the next episode.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Hi! I said I like the series. Apparently you do to. If it's important for you to tell me how to like it, and how I should think, and why you're right and I'm wrong, please feel free to continue.

I was just looking for some info about the series and some nice people gave it to me. My hopes for the series still stand. I look forward to the next episode.

Hey! Never said any of that! Thanks for playing!

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

Hey! Never said any of that! Thanks for playing!

It's possible that you're just not very funny.

Am I right?!

[Alexander Hamilton]

http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2008/04/24/hstreaker.jpg

[R0cketFr0g]

It's possible that you're just not very funny.

And scene.

[BriRedfern]

http://images.triplem.com.au/2009/05/12/183287/sport-gallery-streaker-11-600x400.jpg

[Black Roman]

http://www.thejetsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/streaker.jpg

[Black Roman]

http://gremlindog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/streaker.jpg

[Adrian B AWESOME]

WE are the walking dead! [/spoilers]

[TIP]

Semi-Spoiler for next week

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/paulc_2007/Zombie%20flashmob%20liverpool/wheelchair.jpg

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

Semi-Spoiler for next week

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/paulc_2007/Zombie%20flashmob%20liverpool/wheelchair.jpg

Well, we know that particular zombie won't be running after anybody.

[Matthew Brown]

Well, we know that particular zombie won't be running after anybody.

That's insensitive to disabled zombies.

[R0cketFr0g]

That's insensitive to disabled zombies.

And that Zombie could walk in the comic.

[Stark Raving]

Semi-Spoiler for next week

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/paulc_2007/Zombie%20flashmob%20liverpool/wheelchair.jpg
A real zombie couldn't operate that chair!!!!!!!!!! :-x:-x:-x:-x:-x

[Marc Lombardi]

Frankly, I'm still waiting for an answer on this last question:


Can we at least compare it to the first episode? Cause they acted very different.


How so? The same zombies we saw in the first episode acted differently? Or do you mean different zombies acted differently. Because the idea I'm getting is that different zombies act in different ways. The one thing they made clear is that some of the zombies have retained some human-like function other than the desire to eat. But aside from that, I still see lots of wandering, lots of looking for human flesh and lots of spastic movement/action and ravenous hunger when flesh is nearby.


There's a difference between external and internal logic. People aren't looking for consistency with real life, they're looking for consistency within the show's universe.


Where is the inconsistency in the show's universe?

[TIP]

A real zombie couldn't operate that chair!!!!!!!!!! :-x:-x:-x:-x:-x

I know, dammit! :hulk:

http://www.hauntproject.com/images/ZombieWalker044.jpg

[BriRedfern]

I know, dammit! :hulk:

http://www.hauntproject.com/images/ZombieWalker044.jpg

You have been making with the funny all over the board today man. Nice job.

[Matthew Brown]

A real zombie couldn't operate that chair!!!!!!!!!! :-x:-x:-x:-x:-x

I am so sick of you people, Romero established that zombies retain echos of who they were in life, even going so far as remembering how to operate a gun! Obviously this zombie remembered enough to steer the wheelchair, and change the battery every time it dies. Maybe even a little wheelchair maintenance, too.

[Mylazycat]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/05/wbCRICsymonds2_narrowweb__300x407,2.jpg

[Stark Raving]

I know, dammit! :hulk:

http://www.hauntproject.com/images/ZombieWalker044.jpg
Real zombies hate aluminum!! This is a travesty!! :-x:-x

[c. page]

I've got my hurm boarded up since I've just learned there are tool-using fuckin' zombies!

:scared:

wait, those zombies are procreating? SONOFABITCH!


I'm with Adrian.

you're possibly not very funny?

[R0cketFr0g]

I am so sick of you people, Romero established that zombies retain echos of who they were in life, even going so far as remembering how to operate a gun! Obviously this zombie remembered enough to steer the wheelchair, and change the battery every time it dies. Maybe even a little wheelchair maintenance, too.

http://bruehoyt.com/superheroes/DC/batman/joker/cesar1.gif

?

[Matthew Brown]

http://bruehoyt.com/superheroes/DC/batman/joker/cesar1.gif

?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2895019/sisko-facepalm.jpg

[TIP]

Real zombies hate aluminum!! This is a transvestite!! :-x:-x

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/37/l_6cced5ce3efe49ab93db5110b02da6ac.jpg

[Fake Pat]

Frankly, I'm still waiting for an answer on this last question:

As I recall, and maybe I'm wrong, when Rick was heading into the city none of the zombies came after him the way they way after him and Glenn in the last episode. It made that last chase scene feel forced to me, like they just had them do whatever they needed to crank up the tension.

AGAIN, NOT a big deal. Only one small aspect of my larger issue. Also, still didn't think it was that bad. Still like it enough. Still gonna watch it.

[Thudpucker]

As I recall, and maybe I'm wrong, when Rick was heading into the city none of the zombies came after him the way they way after him and Glenn in the last episode. It made that last chase scene feel forced to me, like they just had them do whatever they needed to crank up the tension.

AGAIN, NOT a big deal. Only one small aspect of my larger issue. Also, still didn't think it was that bad. Still like it enough. Still gonna watch it.

I'm afraid it's too late. You've expressed an opinion that wasn't positive so now you've lost the right to watch the show.

I'm sorry but that's the rule. There's nothing to be done about it.

[DaveCummings]

I'm afraid it's too late. You've expressed an opinion that wasn't positive so now you've lost the right to watch the show.

I'm sorry but that's the rule. There's nothing to be done about it.

:roll:

[Thudpucker]

:roll:

There are no appeals to the "If you don't like it stop watching it" rule.

Either like everything or nothing! There can be no inbetween. :miffed:

[DaveCummings]

There are no appeals to the "If you don't like it stop watching it" rule.

Either like everything or nothing! There can be no inbetween. :miffed:
http://picdump.darph.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/sisko-facepalm.jpg

[Thudpucker]

http://picdump.darph.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/sisko-facepalm.jpg

:lol:

[Dark Sasha]

You guys are the walking dead!!!

[Bervda]

There are no appeals to the "If you don't like it stop watching it" rule.

Either like everything or nothing! There can be no inbetween. :miffed:

I agree that people, especially those on the internet, treat opinions that way. Pretty annoying.

[stephenp01]

Now that a 2nd season has been greenlit how about

Gina Torres for Michonne? Darabont has all but confirmed he wants her in the series at some point.

Hid that because I'm not sure if that is a spoiler for people who haven't read the comic.

[late]

Now that a 2nd season has been greenlit how about

Gina Torres for Michonne? Darabont has all but confirmed he wants her in the series at some point.

Hid that because I'm not sure if that is a spoiler for people who haven't read the comic.

Perfect choice.

[danlomb]

Finally caught the two eps - fucking unreal!
I love that there's enough new stuff to keep even the most avid, multiply-read fans excited.
Hope it can get an audience - I was worried about how Joe Public might view it with a certain 'gutsy' scene in the second ep...

[Alexander Hamilton]

Finally caught the two eps - fucking unreal!
I love that there's enough new stuff to keep even the most avid, multiply-read fans excited.
Hope it can get an audience - I was worried about how Joe Public might view it with a certain 'gutsy' scene in the second ep...

Look earlier in the thread.. Best rated opening of a show in AMC history.

[THWIP!]

I've always wanted Traci Thoms for Michonne.

[LastCloneStanding]

I always thought she'd be great as Agent 355

[Dark Sasha]

Hey! It's the guy from Three doors down!

[Stupendous Man]

I feel bad for Shane.

[Slewo.O]

I feel bad for Shane.

He looked so pissed.

[BriRedfern]

I feel bad for Shane.

:no:

[George Relish Pants]

I feel bad for Shane.

I'd feel worse for Rick...didn't even wait for his alleged corpse to get cold.

[Matthew Brown]

I feel bad for everyone...

Hidden for those who haven't read the comic.
Until Shane makes the inevitable choice to kill Rick.

Everything before, though, is just a fucked up situation. There's no reason at all to think Rick could have survived a zombie apocalypse in a coma. Meanwhile, Shane got them out, led the group of survivors they're in, and took care of Lori and the kid.

[Dark Sasha]

Why wouldn't you take the vibrator with you?

[Matthew Brown]

Huh. Don't remember if Shane telling Lori that Rick was dead was in the comic. But yeah, at that point he's definitely gone too far.

[Kedd]

Huh. Don't remember if Shane telling Lori that Rick was dead was in the comic. But yeah, at that point he's definitely gone too far.

I seem to remember that he did. Might just be making it up though. Actually forget the show was on until a few moments ago when I saw this thread.

[Stupendous Man]

:no:

OK, I feel slightly less bad for him now.

They really wouldn't have had any reasonable expectation for him to have survived.

side note: the crossbow would probably be a great weapon to have in a zombie outbreak. Quiet, retrievable rounds, very useful.

[George Relish Pants]

Why wouldn't you take the vibrator with you?

Batteries run out.

[Kedd]

OK, I feel slightly less bad for him now.

They really wouldn't have had any reasonable expectation for him to have survived.

side note: the crossbow would probably be a great weapon to have in a zombie outbreak. Quiet, retrievable rounds, very useful.

The rounds aren't that retrievable outside of one on one or one on two situations, where a hand held weapon or running would work just as well.

[Kedd]

Batteries run out.

A vibrator can still be used without batteries.

[Stupendous Man]

The reuniting scene was pretty tremendous.

[Stupendous Man]

And that Ed guy is a real cocksucker.

[JoeE]

I thought this was a significant improvement over last week. Still not sure about Merle, but I did like that they made his brother much less unsympathetic.

[DC Camel]

So does anyone else think that the dude who cut his hand off is going to end up being the governor? Thought there was a lot of foreshadowing with that last scene.

[Kedd]

So does anyone else think that the dude who cut his hand off is going to end up being the governor? Thought there was a lot of foreshadowing with that last scene.

Did the Gov lose his hand? I don't remember that.

[batroc the leaper]

Did the Gov lose his hand? I don't remember that.

Michonne took off his whole arm, so yes in a sense

[noble]

I seem to remember that he did. Might just be making it up though. Actually forget the show was on until a few moments ago when I saw this thread.

No I'm pretty sure in the book it was shane that kept saying Rick was going to be ok. He said the big cities would get cleaned up first and Rick would be looked after and they'll reunite with him when the government clears it all up.

Lori just slept with him the ONE time in the book out of grief, shock, and who knows what else. It wasn't an ongoing thing (the sex), but Shane did try to keep an eye on them.

Possibly as penance over feeling guilty over leaving Rick behind, but that's just a guess.

[Kedd]

Michonne took off his whole arm, so yes in a sense

I need to re-read my trades or issues (can't remember which I have that arc in.) I remember that she tortured him pretty badly, but I didn't remember the arm taking during the whole deal. But that sounds right now. I'd prefer if the shoe didn't do that though, but it would be interesting.

[Kedd]

No I'm pretty sure in the book it was shane that kept saying Rick was going to be ok. He said the big cities would get cleaned up first and Rick would be looked after and they'll reunite with him when the government clears it all up.

Lori just slept with him the ONE time in the book out of grief, shock, and who knows what else. It wasn't an ongoing thing (the sex), but Shane did try to keep an eye on them.

Possibly as penance over feeling guilty over leaving Rick behind, but that's just a guess.

I remember taking it as they only showed the one time that they slept together but that it happened more than once. I never liked Lori or Shane so that might just be my personal bias making them worse than they were.

[batroc the leaper]

I need to re-read my trades or issues (can't remember which I have that arc in.) I remember that she tortured him pretty badly, but I didn't remember the arm taking during the whole deal. But that sounds right now. I'd prefer if the shoe didn't do that though, but it would be interesting.

she cut his arm off with a sword because she said that his hand was useless after she pulled out all of his fingernails. she then cauterized it with a blowtorch

It was fucked up

[Stupendous Man]

she cut his arm off with a sword because she said that his hand was useless after she pulled out all of his fingernails. she then cauterized it with a blowtorch

It was fucked up

Yeah, that whole issue was tough to read.

[Kedd]

she cut his arm off with a sword because she said that his hand was useless after she pulled out all of his fingernails. she then cauterized it with a blowtorch

It was fucked up

I remember the issue. I just don't remember tht particular bit of it. I remember all of the other fucked up shit for some reason though. Myabe that one bit was my tipping point and I've blocked it out.

[TIP]

Hey! It's the guy from Three Dog Night!

:shock:

[Brad N.]

My wife (who has only read three or four comics in her life) LOVES this show. Same goes for my Mom, sister, and four guys from work I got hooked on the show. Tonight's episode was fantastic and I like they gave us a little reason to make Lori more sympathetic while making Shane look like more of a prick. Granted I can see why he did it, but still.

[Jmd211]

My wife (who has only read three or four comics in her life) LOVES this show. Same goes for my Mom, sister, and four guys from work I got hooked on the show. Tonight's episode was fantastic and I like they gave us a little reason to make Lori more sympathetic while making Shane look like more of a prick. Granted I can see why he did it, but still.

I agree, my mom loves this show. Stinks that there are only 3 more episodes left, season 2 better hurry up!!!!

[Jason California]

Are we supposed to talk in this thread like the stuff in the comics has not yet happened?

[Dr. Chaos]

I remember when I found my first zombie gnawing on a mutilated deer in the woods.

Ahh..nature.

Great episode.

[DarkKnightJared]

I remember taking it as they only showed the one time that they slept together but that it happened more than once. I never liked Lori or Shane so that might just be my personal bias making them worse than they were.

You mean in the book or in the show?

The book:

Lori literally says that it was only one time, while they were making their way to Atlanta.

The show? I think it's safe to infer that Rick and Lorie were having problems, and that Lorie was sleeping with Shane on the side. That's what I'm thinking, at least.

[ERNIE_E]

Are we supposed to talk in this thread like the stuff in the comics has not yet happened?

It can't be assumed that what has happened in the comics will happen in the show. Just because someone's died in the comics, doesn't mean they'll do it in the show. The two are independent of each other, even though much of it will be followed.

There are plenty of people who are experiencing TWD through the show however and I believe with good reason, that's why people are posting with spoilers and hidden tags.

[Jason California]

It can't be assumed that what has happened in the comics will happen in the show. Just because someone's died in the comics, doesn't mean they'll do it in the show. The two are independent of each other, even though much of it will be followed.

There are plenty of people who are experiencing TWD through the show however and I believe with good reason, that's why people are posting with spoilers and hidden tags.


I have only read snippets of the thread, and wanted o confirm the etiquite being used.

[George Relish Pants]

A vibrator can still be used without batteries.

Well, then they might as well use any number of things. Like an actual dick.

[capntightpants]

I keep asking myself why the brother doesn't have an Irish accent and pray in Latin before he kills zombies.

[Whip]

A vibrator without batteries?

A plastic cucumber.

That is all.

[THWIP!]

Really great episode.

Rooker is not going to be the Governor.

And what Shane told Lori, about Rick being dead was not in the comics.

[Mattman]

Really great episode.

Rooker is not going to be the Governor.

And what Shane told Lori, about Rick being dead was not in the comics.
I'm really enjoying the changes Darabont is making. Especially that change. It makes her much more likable than she was last week.

[TIP]

Well, then they might as well use any number of things. Like an actual dick.

Or that old Walking Dead adage of

One hillbilly's recently chopped off rooftop hand is worth two in the bush?

[dougmac]

OK, I feel slightly less bad for him now.

They really wouldn't have had any reasonable expectation for him to have survived.

side note: the crossbow would probably be a great weapon to have in a zombie outbreak. Quiet, retrievable rounds, very useful.

here's my question about retrievable rounds. I know they are doing it and that's fine, but is there any danger of yanking an arrow out and splashing yourself with infected blood? Like 28 days later
the dad gets infected from the crow dripping something that gets in his eye or is it just nothing to worry about.

[BriRedfern]

They don't know exactly how it works, but they try not to get zombie guts in any of their orifices.

[Alexander Hamilton]

here's my question about retrievable rounds. I know they are doing it and that's fine, but is there any danger of yanking an arrow out and splashing yourself with infected blood? Like 28 days later
the dad gets infected from the crow dripping something that gets in his eye or is it just nothing to worry about.

I think it's just precautionary on their part whenever the talk about getting it on the skin. I don't think they know for sure and since they haven't shown anyone getting turned like that on screen, we don't really know either. It doesn't seem like it though. I swear I've seen some parts where it got on people, but that could just be some gaffes.

Makes me sad that this was the halfway mark. Went to see it at the movie theater again, and the MC was chatting with the crowd in between eps (they show last week's and this weeks). A lot of people HAAAATE Lori. They still seemed to even after this one.

I found that a little disturbing. Felt like a double standard. The woman's husband was shot and in coma, then she was "saved" from the goddamn end of the world (which she thought her husband died in). She decided it might be alright if she some sex before.. y'know.. everyone and everything is dead. Shane seems to get a pass. I think it's maybe in the potrayal of the characters. The actress who plays Lori is kind of abrasive, but the actor who plays Shane, still feels kinda likable. Still...

Anyway.. Great ep. Glad they're going a lot of different routes than the comic did.

[Marc Lombardi]

Knowing what happens in the comics with Shane and Carl, and Lori, I wonder how "likeability" will affect the show. In other words -- will characters who are supposed to stick around die, or vice versa?

[BriRedfern]

Knowing what happens in the comics with Shane and Carl, and Lori, I wonder how "likeability" will affect the show. In other words -- will characters who are supposed to stick around die, or vice versa?

It was an issue in the comic, right?

Wqasn't Rick supposed to die early on?

[Marc Lombardi]

It was an issue in the comic, right?

Wqasn't Rick supposed to die early on?

Kirkman's mentioned a few times that he's thought of killing Rick, but he keeps getting more and more ideas for stories with the guy.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Knowing what happens in the comics with Shane and Carl, and Lori, I wonder how "likeability" will affect the show. In other words -- will characters who are supposed to stick around die, or vice versa?

In the comic (which I adore), there's hardly a character in it that doesn't do something at some point that could potentially make them unlikable. I think it's going to be in the hands of the actors and their portrayal to make it work.

[dougmac]

the other thing I didn't like this week was Rooker cutting off his whole hand to get out. Even if he couldnt cut the cuffs or thin bar they were attached to, why wouldnt he just cut a finger or thumb off? Of course it may be a misdirect and turn out to not be his hand somehow.

Don't get me wrong, I like the show, I just think they haven't done the best job establishing the rules.

[Marc Lombardi]

the other thing I didn't like this week was Rooker cutting off his whole hand to get out. Even if he couldnt cut the cuffs or thin bar they were attached to, why wouldnt he just cut a finger or thumb off? Of course it may be a misdirect and turn out to not be his hand somehow.

Don't get me wrong, I like the show, I just think they haven't done the best job establishing the rules.


If it's not his hand then how do you explain the fact that he's out of the cuffs and the cuffs were not hacked. I also wonder if it's not easier to hack through some metal instead of your own wrist. Also, you would have expected to see more blood.

[Fake Pat]

I think it's just precautionary on their part whenever the talk about getting it on the skin. I don't think they know for sure and since they haven't shown anyone getting turned like that on screen, we don't really know either. It doesn't seem like it though. I swear I've seen some parts where it got on people, but that could just be some gaffes.

Makes me sad that this was the halfway mark. Went to see it at the movie theater again, and the MC was chatting with the crowd in between eps (they show last week's and this weeks). A lot of people HAAAATE Lori. They still seemed to even after this one.

I found that a little disturbing. Felt like a double standard. The woman's husband was shot and in coma, then she was "saved" from the goddamn end of the world (which she thought her husband died in). She decided it might be alright if she some sex before.. y'know.. everyone and everything is dead. Shane seems to get a pass. I think it's maybe in the potrayal of the characters. The actress who plays Lori is kind of abrasive, but the actor who plays Shane, still feels kinda likable. Still...

Anyway.. Great ep. Glad they're going a lot of different routes than the comic did.

Makes perfect sense to me.

She FREAKS out on Shane because he told her Rick was dead, which he absolutely should be. The fact that he isn't makes no sense.

[TIP]

If it's not his hand then how do you explain the fact that he's out of the cuffs and the cuffs were not hacked. I also wonder if it's not easier to hack through some metal instead of your own wrist. Also, you would have expected to see more blood.


I'm thinking of the ending of Road Warrior

[OzMan]

My wife and I area really enjoying the show since we read the books and really like seeing the different portrayals of how we see the characters, but I feel there's something missing with each episode, I don't know if it's the pacing or the structure of each episode, but something feels like it's missing.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Makes perfect sense to me.

She FREAKS out on Shane because he told her Rick was dead, which he absolutely should be. The fact that he isn't makes no sense.

I think people are discounting the type of emotional trauma she (and everyone else for that matter) has gone through. When horrible things happen, especially in quick succession, people can make rash decision and have bizarre and touchy behavior. I would imagine she would want to be mad at someone for having missed the opportunity to have stayed with her husband. So, she yelled at the easiest person to blame, Shane.

Going back to the actors. The delivery of the lines in the scene..

..where Lori says Shane told her Rick was dead, was confusing to me. I couldn't tell from the way they talked and reacted, if he did actually tell her Rick was dead maliciously or it was just something they had assumed and she was being irrational because of the stress. In the comic, wasn't it pretty apparent that Shane had said it to "steal" Laurie? I can't really remember.

[dougmac]

If it's not his hand then how do you explain the fact that he's out of the cuffs and the cuffs were not hacked. I also wonder if it's not easier to hack through some metal instead of your own wrist. Also, you would have expected to see more blood.


I'm not saying it is, but the way it was presented seems like it could be a misdirect. If it isn't though it doesnt answer any of the original questions I had about it. I dont know how they will explain it if it is a misdirect either though.

[dougmac]

I think people are discounting the type of emotional trauma she (and everyone else for that matter) has gone through. When horrible things happen, especially in quick succession, people can make rash decision and have bizarre and touchy behavior. I would imagine she would want to be mad at someone for having missed the opportunity to have stayed with her husband. So, she yelled at the easiest person to blame, Shane.

Going back to the actors. The delivery of the lines in the scene..

..where Lori says Shane told her Rick was dead, was confusing to me. I couldn't tell from the way they talked and reacted, if he did actually tell her Rick was dead maliciously or it was just something they had assumed and she was being irrational because of the stress. In the comic, wasn't it pretty apparent that Shane had said it to "steal" Laurie? I can't really remember.

I think the dialogue was ambiguous on purpose; they probably either havent made uop their minds yet or don't want us to make up ours yet

[Marcdachamp]

here's my question about retrievable rounds. I know they are doing it and that's fine, but is there any danger of yanking an arrow out and splashing yourself with infected blood? Like 28 days later
the dad gets infected from the crow dripping something that gets in his eye or is it just nothing to worry about.

I think it's nothing to worry about. Outside of 28 Days Later (which many will argue isn't a zombie movie), that has never been shown as a concern in any other type of zombie media that I've seen or read.

I really liked this episode. Glenn (who often kind of falls into the background in the comic) is a great secondary character. I thought Rick's reunion with Laurie and Carl was very well done.

[dougmac]

I think it's nothing to worry about. Outside of 28 Days Later (which many will argue isn't a zombie movie), that has never been shown as a concern in any other type of zombie media that I've seen or read.

I really liked this episode. Glenn (who often kind of falls into the background in the comic) is a great secondary character. I thought Rick's reunion with Laurie and Carl was very well done.

World War Z and Zombie Survival Guide mention it but I don't remember all the details. It should be a concern I would think though, and it seems odd that they dont. Even if it isn't a concern, if you were in that situation wouldn't you worry about fluids being exchanged?

[BriRedfern]

They wouldn't eat the deer. I wouldn't eat the deer either.

[Marcdachamp]

World War Z and Zombie Survival Guide mention it but I don't remember all the details. It should be a concern I would think though, and it seems odd that they dont. Even if it isn't a concern, if you were in that situation wouldn't you worry about fluids being exchanged?

Well, yeah, but I also wouldn't base my survival choices on fictional portrayals of zombies should a zombie apocalypse occur. :lol:

[Dark Sasha]

I'm starting to lose it. When she said "MY HUSBAND IS A ALIVE" I made a face. It went from being the best debut and now bit by bit it is starting to become just another show.

[dougmac]

Well, yeah, but I also wouldn't base my survival choices on fictional portrayals of zombies should a zombie apocalypse occur. :lol:

that's probably a good idea too.

I did like last night though how the redneck brother made a comment
about how no one seems to know the rules when they didnt brain the decapitated zombie

[late]

Just wanted to add that I love "Jim" (not sure they called him Jim yet though). Also "Carl" is great too!

[Slewo.O]

I can't wait to see the Governor.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Just wanted to add that I love "Jim" (not sure they called him Jim yet though). Also "Carl" is great too!

Glenn is my favorite casting choice so far. I'm a little concerned about the aging factor for Carl.

[Slewo.O]

Glenn is my favorite casting choice so far. I'm a little concerned about the aging factor for Carl.

As long as the series comes out in semi-quick succession barring a time skip it shouldn't be a problem.

[George Relish Pants]

I think it's just precautionary on their part whenever the talk about getting it on the skin. I don't think they know for sure and since they haven't shown anyone getting turned like that on screen, we don't really know either. It doesn't seem like it though. I swear I've seen some parts where it got on people, but that could just be some gaffes.

Makes me sad that this was the halfway mark. Went to see it at the movie theater again, and the MC was chatting with the crowd in between eps (they show last week's and this weeks). A lot of people HAAAATE Lori. They still seemed to even after this one.

I found that a little disturbing. Felt like a double standard. The woman's husband was shot and in coma, then she was "saved" from the goddamn end of the world (which she thought her husband died in). She decided it might be alright if she some sex before.. y'know.. everyone and everything is dead. Shane seems to get a pass. I think it's maybe in the potrayal of the characters. The actress who plays Lori is kind of abrasive, but the actor who plays Shane, still feels kinda likable. Still...

Anyway.. Great ep. Glad they're going a lot of different routes than the comic did.

As said before, it's the idea that Rick's alleged corpse didn't even have time to get cold before she moved on. Or to paraphrase Hamlet, using the leftovers from the funeral to cater the wedding.

They wasted no time at all, given the timeframe for the zombies and Rick waking up told to us on the show.

[Alexander Hamilton]

As long as the series comes out in semi-quick succession barring a time skip it shouldn't be a problem.

They just started him out quite a bit older than he was in the comics. The age of the actor now is how I view carl in the most recent issues. By the time the get there he'll be in his mid teens.

[Slewo.O]

Don't tell me Carl becomes a dick in the comic too. He's just a kid!

[Slewo.O]

As said before, it's the idea that Rick's alleged corpse didn't even have time to get cold before she moved on. Or to paraphrase Hamlet, using the leftovers from the funeral to cater the wedding.

They wasted no time at all, given the timeframe for the zombies and Rick waking up told to us on the show.
How long was it between Rick's coma and viva la apocalypse?



They just started him out quite a bit older than he was in the comics. The age of the actor now is how I view carl in the most recent issues. By the time the get there he'll be in his mid teens.

How old was Carl in the starting?

[George Relish Pants]

How long was it between Rick's coma and viva la apocalypse?

It was explained to us that the zombie attacks started about a month ago. That's not much time for Rick to be "dead", even assuming that hospital got overrun and abandoned right away.

[Marcdachamp]

Don't tell me Carl becomes a dick in the comic too. He's just a kid!

He has his moments.


that's probably a good idea too.

I did like last night though how the redneck brother made a comment
about how no one seems to know the rules when they didnt brain the decapitated zombie

The special effects in that scene were stunning.

[Alexander Hamilton]

As said before, it's the idea that Rick's alleged corpse didn't even have time to get cold before she moved on. Or to paraphrase Hamlet, using the leftovers from the funeral to cater the wedding.

They wasted no time at all, given the timeframe for the zombies and Rick waking up told to us on the show.

I'm personifying fiction here, so apologies:

Having dealt with some serious grief recently, I can tell you first hand some people take a really long time to grieve and some people can go through the grief process a lot more quickly. Both are fine.

[Alexander Hamilton]

How long was it between Rick's coma and viva la apocalypse?


How old was Carl in the starting?

IIRC around six was my assumption.


He has his moments.


yup.

[George Relish Pants]

I'm personifying fiction here, so apologies:

Having dealt with some serious grief recently, I can tell you first hand some people take a really long time to grieve and some people can go through the grief process a lot more quickly. Both are fine.

That said, in general it's still not looked on kindly when someone jumps on their dead spouse's best friend right away.

[Slewo.O]

That said, in general it's still not looked on kindly when someone jumps on their dead spouse's best friend right away.

King Claudius would be proud.

[Slewo.O]

IIRC around six was my assumption.

yup.

What does Carl do?

[Alexander Hamilton]

What does Carl do?

Read on my friend... I ain't spoiling anything intentionally.. No, sir. :)

[late]

Read on my friend... I ain't spoiling anything intentionally.. No, sir. :)

Right. He may be my favorite character in the book. The aging might be a problem but usually kid actors can make or break a drama. This kid has major potential.

[DarkKnightJared]

I think it's just precautionary on their part whenever the talk about getting it on the skin. I don't think they know for sure and since they haven't shown anyone getting turned like that on screen, we don't really know either. It doesn't seem like it though. I swear I've seen some parts where it got on people, but that could just be some gaffes.

Yeah, I think it's just a precaution--I'd think they would be more worried about zombie gunk getting into the mouths, or eyes, or any open wounds. Even if it doesn't turn them, I can't imagine it being good for you.


Makes me sad that this was the halfway mark. Went to see it at the movie theater again, and the MC was chatting with the crowd in between eps (they show last week's and this weeks). A lot of people HAAAATE Lori. They still seemed to even after this one.

I found that a little disturbing. Felt like a double standard. The woman's husband was shot and in coma, then she was "saved" from the goddamn end of the world (which she thought her husband died in). She decided it might be alright if she some sex before.. y'know.. everyone and everything is dead. Shane seems to get a pass. I think it's maybe in the potrayal of the characters. The actress who plays Lori is kind of abrasive, but the actor who plays Shane, still feels kinda likable. Still...

Anyway.. Great ep. Glad they're going a lot of different routes than the comic did.

I think they're going to try and flip the likability factor between Lori and Shane. They already seem to be trying to do that, what with Shane pounding the shit out of the wife beater guy.

Speaking of double standards, I thought the changes they made to the "women doing the laundry" scene was pretty strong. The dialogue felt a lot more real (Kirkman's dialogue always felt fake to me), and instead of the kind-of shrug off about how the apocolypse has affected gender roles, it seems to be putting a lot more thought into it.


Knowing what happens in the comics with Shane and Carl, and Lori, I wonder how "likeability" will affect the show. In other words -- will characters who are supposed to stick around die, or vice versa?

Well, Kirkman has said that when working on the show, he was surprised about how much he missed writing Shane.


Don't tell me Carl becomes a dick in the comic too. He's just a kid!

I can sort-of see it--it's one thing for an adult to try to survive the zombie apocalypse. What would happen if you were raised in the zombie apocalypse?


Right. He may be my favorite character in the book. The aging might be a problem but usually kid actors can make or break a drama. This kid has major potential.

Yeah--I don't know what it is about AMC and child actors, but they seem to always find the best ones.

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

Another awesome episode. Disappointed there are only 3 left.

[Stupendous Man]

As said before, it's the idea that Rick's alleged corpse didn't even have time to get cold before she moved on. Or to paraphrase Hamlet, using the leftovers from the funeral to cater the wedding.

They wasted no time at all, given the timeframe for the zombies and Rick waking up told to us on the show.

That doesn't really bug me that much. For one thing, they already talked about how Rick and Lori were having marital problems even before the outbreak so I'm sure that made it easier. Also, they're living in an end of the world situation here. They don't know if they'll be alive tomorrow, and they are both operating under the assumption that their husband/ best friend is dead. I can see the them kind of relying on each other for some sort of comfort and that leading elsewhere. Also I imagine Shane wants to fill in and be a father figure for Carl, who will certainly need it in this situation. I can't really fault them for trying to find some sort of intimacy in what might be their last days.

Now if Shane told Lori that Rick was dead, while fully aware that Rick was still in a coma at the hospital, that's a bit of a different story.

[Marcdachamp]

Another awesome episode. Disappointed there are only 3 left.

You and me both. :sad:

[dougmac]

That doesn't really bug me that much. For one thing, they already talked about how Rick and Lori were having marital problems even before the outbreak so I'm sure that made it easier. Also, they're living in an end of the world situation here. They don't know if they'll be alive tomorrow, and they are both operating under the assumption that their husband/ best friend is dead. I can see the them kind of relying on each other for some sort of comfort and that leading elsewhere. Also I imagine Shane wants to fill in and be a father figure for Carl, who will certainly need it in this situation. I can't really fault them for trying to find some sort of intimacy in what might be their last days.

Now if Shane told Lori that Rick was dead, while fully aware that Rick was still in a coma at the hospital, that's a bit of a different story.

it's also fully reasonable that he told her Rick was dead because there was no way they could care for a coma patient on the run and he needed her to go for the safety of him, her, and Carl. Or it could have just been a reasonable assumption based on the fact that he was defenseless and the hospital was overrun with zombies and he just stated it to help her move on. While he was technically lying to her, it really would have been for her own good.

Maybe Shane's even the one who barricaded the hospital door with the gurney to give Rick a fighting chance just in case he ever did wake up. I don't think this lie makes him evil, unless there's more to it that they have yet to reveal

[TIP]

How could Rick have been dead? A gurney was blocking the door to his room!

:crazy:

[DarkKnightJared]

Let me ask something--in the episode, was it Lori that suggests to Dixon's brother that Rick wanted to go get him? I thought it was kind of odd that she would suggest it if she didn't approve of it at all when Rick first brought it up to her, and my folks, who where watching it with me, were saying that she wanted to get rid of Rick.

[Matthew Brown]

Let me ask something--in the episode, was it Lori that suggests to Dixon's brother that Rick wanted to go get him? I thought it was kind of odd that she would suggest it if she didn't approve of it at all when Rick first brought it up to her, and my folks, who where watching it with me, were saying that she wanted to get rid of Rick.

She was pissed at him, and Rick was working up to it, so she just finished his thought. It was also the permission he wanted in the scene before that. You're kinda laying a lot on her and ignoring the fact that Rick has this personality where he has to take unnecessary risks, leave his family for long periods of time, and take on the burden of whole damn group upon himself.

It doesn't matter that he's a hero, it's all still a morally gray area. That's where all the drama that followed came from, not any petty relationship stuff on either Shane and Lori's part.

I think people are taking the Lori hate to cartoony levels, and that's why some of you are wishing she was cheating on Rick before the zombie apocalypse. But the comic is, and by extension the show should be, more complex than that. There are other things going on, people.

[Georgie]

Let me ask something--in the episode, was it Lori that suggests to Dixon's brother that Rick wanted to go get him? I thought it was kind of odd that she would suggest it if she didn't approve of it at all when Rick first brought it up to her, and my folks, who where watching it with me, were saying that she wanted to get rid of Rick.

I think she was just saying it like "I know you're going to do it, even though I don't want you to, so speak up." thing. She looks pretty disappointed after he confirmed the fact he was going, even though he knew she and Carl didn't want him to.

[frzamonkey]

Shane kicking the shit out of that wifebeater was epic.

[Jacques Toochay]

but they try not to get zombie guts in any of their orifices.

Didn't Confucius have a saying for that?

[Ultimate Lurker]

I wish they would have stuck with the KY origin, then it would've been a 400 mile horse ride to Atlanta, which would give more time passage.

Loving the show though.

[Ultimate Lurker]

Haven't read every page. Did anyone post this?


EW: I’m very familiar with your still ongoing comic series. So, how confident should I be that I know which characters are going to survive for a long time?
RK: Not. Confident. At all. One of the best aspects of the comic book series is, when you sit down to read an issue, you really have no idea what’s going to happen. Anybody could go at any moment. There’s really no sense of safety in the comic book at all. And I wanted to preserve that for the television show. If people on the show have ideas for different things to happen, I encourage that. I want people to be as surprised by the show as they are by the comic book series.

[Patch]

I turned this on and saw about 6 people get shot in the head in a span of three minutes.





Then I yelled, "Kids, c'mere and check this out!"

[Brother Power the Gong]

They don't know exactly how it works, but they try not to get zombie guts in any of their orifices.

Generally, a good rule to follow.

[DaGetHighKnight]

I turned this on and saw about 6 people get shot in the head in a span of three minutes.





Then I yelled, "Kids, c'mere and check this out!"


Awesome isn't it?

And Zombies aren't people anymore :)

[Marcdachamp]

I turned this on and saw about 6 people get shot in the head in a span of three minutes.





Then I yelled, "Kids, c'mere and check this out!"

God, you're awesome. I watched Night of the Living Dead when I was like 5.

[Matthew Brown]

i turned this on and saw about 6 people get shot in the head in a span of three minutes.





Then i yelled, "kids, c'mere and check this out!"

:)

[Brother Power the Gong]

So does anyone else think that the dude who cut his hand off is going to end up being the governor? Thought there was a lot of foreshadowing with that last scene.

Could be

and it would make a perfect reason for him to cut off Rick's hand later on.

[Ultimate Lurker]

I think the pre-outbreak affair theory could have some truth. Just watched the beginning convo between Rick and Shane. Shane asks him how things are with Lori, Rick cracks a joke, Shane says "Not what I meant". Then says "the least you could do is 'speak' ". Which Rick then says is something Lori says all the time. 'Speak' Then he goes on at length about how she seems constantly impatient and annoyed, and says I wonder if you even care at all. So there's obviously been a history of trouble there, and some clues that Shane may know more than he lets on.

[Patch]

Wait. I want to do that joke again with a professional:

http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss343/ZPatch/dangerfield.jpg

[Stupendous Man]

Glenn is my favorite casting choice so far. I'm a little concerned about the aging factor for Carl.

I don't think that Carl getting older is necessarily a problem. Is his age what's important or is it just the fact that he's with his Dad growing up in this fucked up world. I don't know if it matters if he's portrayed older in the show. I think the same themes are carried through regardless.

[Marcdachamp]

Wait. I want to do that joke again with a professional:

http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss343/ZPatch/dangerfield.jpg

Why? Because Rodney Dangerfield is a flesh-eating zombie, now? Poor taste, Patch.

:)

[TIP]

Wait. I want to do that joke again with a professional:

http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss343/ZPatch/dangerfield.jpg

:lol:!

[capntightpants]

I don't think that Carl getting older is necessarily a problem. Is his age what's important or is it just the fact that he's with his Dad growing up in this fucked up world. I don't know if it matters if he's portrayed older in the show. I think the same themes are carried through regardless.

It's not that he's portrayed older in the comics. It's that he's going to mature quickly between seasons, and probably during, which may make things awkward since time in the show will be paced slower than the actor's aging process.

I mean, it's not like this is the first kid on television or anything, but you know, it's just the "Walter (LOST)" factor.

[Dr. Chaos]

Another good episode that should generally show viewers what to realistically expect from the series.

With episodes like last week's, I worry abit that some people might get the idea that the show is just going to be one big action packed zombie bashing encounter one after another.

That would get old pretty fast. The best parts of old zombie flicks are sitting back watching everybody go insane under a thin veil of safety.

[bartleby]

Held steady at 3.3 million adults 18-49 (2.5 national adults 18-49 rating). Total viewers rose from 4.7 million viewers last week to 5.1 million last night.

[Marc Lombardi]

Another good episode that should generally show viewers what to realistically expect from the series.

With episodes like last week's, I worry abit that some people might get the idea that the show is just going to be one big action packed zombie bashing encounter one after another.

That would get old pretty fast. The best parts of old zombie flicks are sitting back watching everybody go insane under a thin veil of safety.

And that's the one thing about the comic that Kirkman has said time and time again: This is NOT a series about zombies. It's a series about the people and how they deal with life after a zombie apocalypse. There were times when the book would go two or three issues without a direct zombie-related conflict. The humans (other survivors) end up being a bigger concern most of the time than the roamers. And that's the brilliant thing. I hope that it translates over the long haul for the TV audience because I can see people's attention span shortening if that's the case. But I'm really loving it so far.

[DaveCummings]

Held steady at 3.3 million adults 18-49 (2.5 national adults 18-49 rating). Total viewers rose from 4.7 million viewers last week to 5.1 million last night.


I'm glad to hear that. I was worried that there might be a big drop off after Halloween.

[Dark Sasha]

Is Darabont directing the finale?

[Marc Lombardi]

Is Darabont directing the finale?

Not according to IMDB he isn't: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1628068/

[bartleby]

Sources say AMC isn't likely to launch the 13-episode second season until next October. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/walking-dead-season-two-45474)

[Slewo.O]

Sources say AMC isn't likely to launch the 13-episode second season until next October. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/walking-dead-season-two-45474)

Nooooooo!!!!!! :Cry:

Dammit AMC!

[BriRedfern]

Sources say AMC isn't likely to launch the 13-episode second season until next October. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/walking-dead-season-two-45474)

Lousy.

[bartleby]

Hopefully, they'll re-air the first six episodes in just before the start of season two.

[THWIP!]

I don't understand where this whole Merle Dixon being The Governor came from? Why are people thinking this? It doesn't make any fucking sense.

[BriRedfern]

I don't understand where this whole Merle Dixon being The Governor came from? Why are people thinking this? It doesn't make any fucking sense.

People are trying to have fun.

[stephenp01]

Sources say AMC isn't likely to launch the 13-episode second season until next October. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/walking-dead-season-two-45474)

I assumed they would wait that long with Halloween and AMC's Fearfest being the perfect time to premiere it. And with Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and some other new show the schedule is getting full.

[danlomb]

Loving it. I can't even express how big I geekgasm when I see on TV Rick swapping dialogue with Glenn and Dale. That is just... wow. They all do a pretty fantastic job.

[Brad N.]

I don't understand where this whole Merle Dixon being The Governor came from? Why are people thinking this? It doesn't make any fucking sense.

Because it's fun to speculate? I mean, there's nothing in the books or show that says it's not possible.

[George Relish Pants]

Sources say AMC isn't likely to launch the 13-episode second season until next October. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/walking-dead-season-two-45474)

So, unless they have a year pass in between seasons, there'll basically have to be a new kid playing Carl every time.

[Mattman]

So, unless they have a year pass in between seasons, there'll basically have to be a new kid playing Carl every time.
Unless they rush it into production and sit on it for a year.

[bartleby]

So, unless they have a year pass in between seasons, there'll basically have to be a new kid playing Carl every time.

Just because the season doesn't air until October, there's nothing keeping them from starting shooting in January.

[Mattman]

Just because the season doesn't air until October, there's nothing keeping them from starting shooting in January.
He said it better.

[THWIP!]

Because it's fun to speculate? I mean, there's nothing in the books or show that says it's not possible.

I don't understand it, and even it if is speculating for fun, there's no basis behind it. How do you expect someone who just cut off his hand to survive for much longer?

[George Relish Pants]

Unless they rush it into production and sit on it for a year.


Just because the season doesn't air until October, there's nothing keeping them from starting shooting in January.

And then the season after that? He'd probably work for the next season, even if they waited a bit...but not much longer.

[George Relish Pants]

I don't understand it, and even it if is speculating for fun, there's no basis behind it. How do you expect someone who just cut off his hand to survive for much longer?

It's called a tourniquet. They're not hard to make.

[Matthew Brown]

And then the season after that? He'd probably work for the next season, even if they waited a bit...but not much longer.

Time jumps?

[George Relish Pants]

Time jumps?

My original suggestion.

[THWIP!]

It's called a tourniquet. They're not hard to make.

One handed, losing blood, in a zombie apocalypse, with no gun. Odds are against him.

[Matthew Brown]

My original suggestion.

So you went back in time and stole my answer? That's weaksauce.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

When do the flash sideways take place?

[Roger]

When do the flash sideways take place?

is that the where the world is overrun by vampires?

[Briomega]

Considering he was without food or water (other than rain) and out in the hot Atlanta sun, plus the door was locked, how he even had the strength to get off the roof after cutting off his hand is pretty mind blowing. Him surviving much past that would be ridiculous.

[A.Huerta]

Considering he was without food or water (other than rain) and out in the hot Atlanta sun, plus the door was locked, how he even had the strength to get off the roof after cutting off his hand is pretty mind blowing. Him surviving much past that would be ridiculous.

It wouldn't be impossible.

[George Relish Pants]

One handed, losing blood, in a zombie apocalypse, with no gun. Odds are against him.

Rip off a piece of shirt and find something to tighten it down with, (lot of crap lying around on that roof, probably) he has a tourniquet in about 30 seconds, top. Only real question is if he goes into shock or not.

And if a certain character in the comic could fight a room full of zombies with nothing but a small hammer, I'm sure Merle would be able to figure something out to get past the zombies.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

is that the where the world is overrun by vampires?

Or that joke alien invasion Kirkman did. I hope that become canon soon.