Lost - 2/18/09 - 5.6 - "316"

[Marc Lombardi]

Episode Overview:

The way back to the island is revealed to members of the Oceanic 6, but there's trouble ahead when not all of them wish to return


Episode Written by Lindelof and Cuse
Episode Directed by Stephen Williams

Guest stars:

Zuleikha Robinson (Ilana)
Fionnula Flanagan (Eloise Hawking)
Jeff Fahey (Frank Lapidus)
Sai d Taghmaoui (Caesar)
Mary Mara (Jill)
Raymond J. Barry (Ray)
Kavita Patil (Rupa Krishnavani)
P.D. Mani (Nabil)
Rebecca Hazlewood (Nalini)
Patti Hastie (Barfly)
Glen Bailey (Magician)
Ned Van Zandt (Mr. Dorsey)


Just about 11 hours to go!

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

I always get psyched whenever I see Lindelof or BKV wrote an episode!!

[bachman]

Awesome!!!!!!!!

http://www.kornheiserscartel.com/uploaded_images/Steve-Austin-Beer-781621.jpg

[Marc Lombardi]

I always get psyched whenever I see Lindelof or BKV wrote an episode!!
Yup!!!

This is supposed to be a big one, too. Not sure if the "rumors" are correct about the order being switched from this week's ep and next week's ep (as I find it hard to do with a show like this), but it has me even more curious about tonight's show!

[FuturisticPlans]

Lapidus! Aw, how I've missed you...

[bstie1198]

Yup!!!

This is supposed to be a big one, too. Not sure if the "rumors" are correct about the order being switched from this week's ep and next week's ep (as I find it hard to do with a show like this), but it has me even more curious about tonight's show!

It was confirmed on the official podcast from last Thursday. This is actually 5.7. They said they wrote 5.6 and 5.7 at around the same time and that they could be shown in either order. They also said they've done it once before during season one.

[Marc Lombardi]

At first I didn't "get" the title, but the girl I work with (all we do is talk "LOST" from Tuesday until Friday) said she's pretty sure it's in reference to the bible...as in "JOHN 3:16"

Makes sense to me.

[Patton]

...

[Dark Sasha]

I always get psyched whenever I see Lindelof or BKV wrote an episode!!

BKV, Lindelof and Cuse, and Drew Goddard for me.

[Jimmyt]

At first I didn't "get" the title, but the girl I work with (all we do is talk "LOST" from Tuesday until Friday) said she's pretty sure it's in reference to the bible...as in "JOHN 3:16"

Makes sense to me.

That was my immediate thought also. Especially since last week when Christian said "I guess that is why they call it sacrifice". It must also refer to some sort of calculation used to get back to the island.

[Marc Lombardi]

That was my immediate thought also. Especially since last week when Christian said "I guess that is why they call it sacrifice". It must also refer to some sort of calculation used to get back to the island.
Well...a quick online search reveals that John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Makes even MORE sense....hmmm.

Also, I always thought John 3:16 had something to do with sacking the QB.

[Jimmyt]

Well...a quick online search reveals that John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Makes even MORE sense....hmmm.

Also, I always thought John 3:16 had something to do with sacking the QB.

Yes it does, notice it is the book of John.

Also, it has way more to do with wearing a rainbow colored clown wig then sacking QB's:wink:

[FuturisticPlans]

Well...a quick online search reveals that John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Makes even MORE sense....hmmm.

Also, I always thought John 3:16 had something to do with sacking the QB.

I thought that was the one Bible verse everyone knew by heart.

But then I remember that not everyone went to Baptist Sunday School for 14 years.

[Marc Lombardi]

I thought that was the one Bible verse everyone knew by heart.

But then I remember that not everyone went to Baptist Sunday School for 14 years.
I'm a half jewish-half catholic kid who never stepped foot in a church/synagogue unless someone died or got married. The only biblical verses I knew were the bastardized versions from Motley Crue lyrics and movies.

[FuturisticPlans]

I'm a half jewish-half catholic kid who never stepped foot in a church/synagogue unless someone died or got married. The only biblical verses I knew were the bastardized versions from Motley Crue lyrics and movies.

I'm a lapsed Baptist. So, I know John 3:16 and a song that helps me remember the books of the Bible... but I can drink and dance and not feel bad about it.

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

BKV, Lindelof and Cuse, and Drew Goddard for me.

Yeah, that's the four right there!

[Black Roman]

I can't believe we're only 6 episodes in. I feel like I've already seen nearly half a season's worth.

[PeteL]

Subscribed.

[Rosdower 3.0]

CAN'T WAIT!!! :rock:

[Constant Reader]

Austin 3:16 says "I just whipped your ass." Maybe it has something to do with that...?

[Ryan_ZOOM_Turner]

Lame! There is another Iowa State basketball game on tonight so it is delayed an hour.

[Cth]

Awesome!!!!!!!!

http://www.kornheiserscartel.com/uploaded_images/Steve-Austin-Beer-781621.jpg

CONFESSION:
I wondered why Locke was being electrocuted by what looked like milk until I looked closer.

[Hock]

At first I didn't "get" the title, but the girl I work with (all we do is talk "LOST" from Tuesday until Friday) said she's pretty sure it's in reference to the bible...as in "JOHN 3:16"

Makes sense to me.

Pffft. That's ridiculous. It's not about the bible or anything like that.

The title is clearly a Van Halen reference.

[Patton]

Is there a possibility it also connects to "One of Us" which is episode 3x16?

Also, apparently the verse showed up on the Ajira Airways site.

[Marc Lombardi]

bumped for COTE

[WesleyCraigGreen]

I'm looking forward to tonight's episode as well but I can't help but wonder what is going to happen after they get back to the island?

It's pretty obvious (unless I'm totally wrong) that Jack and the others are 'constants' for Sawyer and the others. And if Ben can't go back (again, I could be wrong), then who's going to be the bad guy? The smoke monster? Sleestaks?

That reminds me, has anyone noticed that Locke was the only one who wasn't being affected like the others with the nosebleeds? Makes one go "Hmmmm..."

Wesley

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Can't wait! :rock:

[RoShambo]

I'm looking forward to tonight's episode as well but I can't help but wonder what is going to happen after they get back to the island?

It's pretty obvious (unless I'm totally wrong) that Jack and the others are 'constants' for Sawyer and the others. And if Ben can't go back (again, I could be wrong), then who's going to be the bad guy? The smoke monster? Sleestaks?

That reminds me, has anyone noticed that Locke was the only one who wasn't being affected like the others with the nosebleeds? Makes one go "Hmmmm..."

Wesley


Wait am I confused? I thought they only needed a constant when their mind was bouncing around through time, and not their whole selves. Or am I wrong?

[Ryan_ZOOM_Turner]

Wait am I confused? I thought they only needed a constant when their mind was bouncing around through time, and not their whole selves. Or am I wrong?

I think that you are right.

[bachman]

CONFESSION:
I wondered why Locke was being electrocuted by what looked like milk until I looked closer.

"Austin 3:16 says: I confused you!!!"

[RoShambo]

awesome!!!!!!!!

http://www.kornheiserscartel.com/uploaded_images/steve-austin-beer-781621.jpg
what?!?


austin 3:16 says "i just whipped your ass." maybe it has something to do with that...?
what?!?

confession:
I wondered why locke was being electrocuted by what looked like milk until i looked closer.
what?!?


"austin 3:16 says: I confused you!!!"
what?!?




(Arrgh!!Why won't this thing let me type in all caps??)

[COTE]

yea my bad

[Rosdower 3.0]

what?!?


what?!?

what?!?


what?!?




:rofl:

[RoShambo]

Uh-oh.
I think I LOST the thread with too many Stone Cold references.

[RoShambo]

:rofl:

Thank you very much.

[Rosdower 3.0]

Thank you very much.

There is a fair amount of wrestling fans on this board, not sure how many of them are also Lost fans...but, I got a kick out of that!

[SpecialK]

Lapidus! Aw, how I've missed you...

Yay!


Also, their new flight is probably Ajira 316.

[JasonWGBB007]

pumped... only 3 hours left

[RoShambo]

There is a fair amount of wrestling fans on this board, not sure how many of them are also Lost fans...but, I got a kick out of that!

I would wager at least...2. :cool:
I figured someone would reply to try and answer my question.
Or at least ask WHAT my question was.




OH...what the?? It let me put it in all caps that time...

[modungo]

Uh-oh.
I think I LOST the thread with too many Stone Cold references.

You can never have to many Stone Cold references.

Also I bet Sawyer loves Stone Cold. The first thing He's gonna do when gets off the island is watch The Condemned.

[Marc Lombardi]

Last week's episode with the pop-ups is really interesting. Even more twisty tie-ins to earlier episodes than I noticed before. Hmmmm.....

[RoShambo]

You can never have to many Stone Cold references.

Also I bet Sawyer loves Stone Cold. The first thing He's gonna do when gets off the island is watch The Condemned.

I see what you did there.
Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic...5 minutes to go!!!

[SpecialK]

I didn't see that sticking that far out of his leg last week. That's fucked.

[RoShambo]

Last week's episode with the pop-ups is really interesting. Even more twisty tie-ins to earlier episodes than I noticed before. Hmmmm.....

Weird.
For some reason I thought they weren't doing those reruns any more??

[PeteL]

I like how they just spoiled where Locke's body will be found in L.A.

Minor spoiler of course, but c'mon.

[Raphael J]

I like how they just spoiled where Locke's body will be found in L.A.

Minor spoiler of course, but c'mon.

I'm glad I was looking at the food I dropped on my shirt instead of the tv screen then.

Yeah ketchup! You finally did something right!

[Foolish Mortal]

Two Minutes!

[SpecialK]

Two Minutes!

Let's do this thing.

[RoShambo]

popup just confirmed Eloise is Faraday's mother.

[SpecialK]

popup just confirmed Eloise is Faraday's mother.

It's a shame they spoon-fed us that "twist", though.

[RoShambo]

The future?

[RoShambo]

woo finally got something right on my first guess.

[Dreaded Anomaly]

I think "The Lamp Post" is a Narnia reference.

[ZombieSpeedball]

I think "The Lamp Post" is a Narnia reference.

Everything's gotta be a reference on Lost.

[JoeE]

popup just confirmed Eloise is Faraday's mother.

What's more interesting is the relationship between the two. They obviously aren't on the best of terms, given how Daniel named his rat after his mother.

[Dreaded Anomaly]

"Is he telling the truth?"
"Probably not."
:lol:


Everything's gotta be a reference on Lost.

We already have Charlotte Staples Lewis. ;)

[Raphael J]

Shit. That was really cool.

[SpecialK]

I'm guessing they're going to kidnap Kate, so when she's handcuffed, she'll be in a similar situation to the 815 flight.

[Raphael J]

...is he going to kidnap Walt?

I mean, if they're going to recreate the flight, then shouldn't he be on there?

[RoShambo]

So the plane will have to crash again? Will there be new survivors with them? Who's going to take Locke's place?(Ben?) So many questions..

[LordKinbote]

...is he going to kidnap Walt?

I mean, if they're going to recreate the flight, then shouldn't he be on there?

I like Lost a lot, but the "let's recreate the plane crash" storyline is full of holes. What about the hundred people who died the first time around?

[JoeE]

Jack's grandpa doesn't look bad for a guy's who's gotta be pushing at least 90!

Also, he's played by the guy who played Dewey Cox's father in Walk Hard.

"Wrong kid died!"

[JoeE]

I like Lost a lot, but the "let's recreate the plane crash" storyline is full of holes. What about the hundred people who died the first time around?

I'm not a fan of this, either. Isn't it kind of a dick move to not try and stop a flight you know is going to crash and kill hundreds of people?

Also, they had it built up that everyone needed to be there at the ordained time in order to get back to the Island...nope, not really, you've got a few days to catch a flight! Kind of weak.

[Kirblar]

I like Lost a lot, but the "let's recreate the plane crash" storyline is full of holes. What about the hundred people who died the first time around?
Yeah, it's pretty obvious they're being manipulated hard here.

[James Patrick]

i'm assuming the person ben went to see was kate

[Briomega]

i'm assuming the person ben went to see was kate

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the promise he made to Widmore.

[Yano]

i'm assuming the person ben went to see was kate

You think? I was thinking he's going to follow Desmond so he can find Penny. Unfinished business for an old friend, you know?

I'm thinking Kate might have given Aaron to the grandmother...

[JoeE]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the promise he made to Widmore.

Yes, Desmond coming to deliver the message may have punched his wife's ticket. Yikes.

[James Patrick]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the promise he made to Widmore.

maybe both :) -- i mean, ben had been after arron before, and he's certainly capable of making someone look like kate looked.

[Briomega]

maybe both :) -- i mean, ben had been after arron before, and he's certainly capable of making someone look like kate looked.

I think he wanted him before to ensure Kate came with them. I think Kate gave him to Claire's mom.

[SpecialK]

Looks like he paid a visit to Sayid....or the other way around.

[JoeE]

Holy crap, the white tennis shoes. I was sure that was never going to be brought up again.

[JoeE]

Argh, you NEEDED TO READ THE LETTER JACK. YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

Now there's going to be some piece of information that Jack would've needed to know prior to getting back on the Island, and he's not going to know it now.

[SpecialK]

Was that Sayid's CO....or friend from the army....or something?

[Briomega]

Argh, you NEEDED TO READ THE LETTER JACK. YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

Now there's going to be some piece of information that Jack would've needed to know prior to getting back on the Island, and he's not going to know it now.

Dunno. I'm thinking the paper in his hand from the opening was from the letter.

[Dark Sasha]

Hurley is reading Y! IN SPANISH!

[JoeE]

Damn, I'm like two minutes behind you guys. Our weatherman needed to take five minutes to remind us that the storm that passed about two hours ago had, in fact, passed.

[Yano]

Dude, was that guy in Iraq with Sayid?

Or am I just remembering him from Three Kings?

[RoShambo]

There was an Oceanic Airlines poster in the background.

[Dark Sasha]

I love Ben.


"Who cares?"

[Kman00001]

Y: The Last Man!

[MIKE D]

El Ultimo Hombre!

[James Patrick]

some of you are ahead of me -- i'm not watching the thread anymore!

[JoeE]

Hurley's the only one with a conscience! Ah, good for him.

[Dark Sasha]

Sorry!!

[bachman]

Hugo reads Y!!!

Hugo saves the people!!!

Hugo rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LordKinbote]

I feel like every airport speaking part is a new supporting character.

[JoeE]

Holy crap, Sayid is being escorted by a federal marshal!

Sayid = Kate

[James Patrick]

ajera air -- my suspicions were right that week - it's from their plane -- and it was them who were shooting at them on teh ocean

[Yano]

some of you are ahead of me -- i'm not watching the thread anymore!

I think it's just Virginger...

[Raphael J]

Ben wants back!

[Dreaded Anomaly]

Hurley's the only one with a conscience! Ah, good for him.

Yeah, that was great.

[SpecialK]

Lapidus doesn't look like a hippy!

[Yano]

Lapidus? Damn you Canadians and your extra 2 minutes of LOST time travel! I don't think we're at that part yet!

[RoShambo]

I'm behind?!?!

[CraigM]

Glad to see it didn't take the whole season for this to happen. Though, it's gotta be weird getting on a plane that you know will crash into the island once again.

[JoeE]

Lapidus! NO FUCKING WAY!

[Raphael J]

Hey, jerks who are ahead, please stop posting. Seriously, it's obnoxious as hell.

[SpecialK]

Lapidus? Damn you Canadians and your extra 2 minutes of LOST time travel! I don't think we're at that part yet!

What the....I thought I was the one who was behind.

[Dreaded Anomaly]

Lapidus got cleaned up.

Also, Kate's a little passive-aggressive. "We're on the same plane, Jack, it doesn't mean we're together."

[James Patrick]

ha. we're not going to guam, are we?

[The Clone Ranger]

We're not going to Guam, are we?

[JoeE]

Hey, jerks who are ahead, please stop posting. Seriously, it's obnoxious as hell.

I was behind, for a few minutes. Now I'm ahead again.

[Ray G.]

Holy hell, Lapidus.

That last scene was awesome.

[Boris the Blade]

Sorry!!
Same thing happened to me before.

Ignore them and keep discussing!

[James Patrick]

it's like some of you are on the island -- one second you're in the past, the next you're in the future .

[Dark Sasha]

There is a monster on the side of the plane!!

[Boris the Blade]

it's like some of you are on the island -- one second you're in the past, the next you're in the future .
That wouldn't make any sense because we're not actually on the isla

[aj110]

i'm guessing Aaron was kidnapped somehow and that's how they forced Kate on the plane. Not sure how Hurley or Sayid got there.

And Frank looks weird without facial hair.

[MAK15]

yay for pilot guy!

[Boris the Blade]

but not before you turn off the hose.

[bachman]

Ah!!!! Mr. Eko!!!

The smoke monster is somehow in the plane?!?!

[RoShambo]

Because my mother taught me....hahahaha

[JoeE]

"My mother taught me"

ANOTHER lie. Ben, you bastard.

[Dark Sasha]

Fogurt?

[Dreaded Anomaly]

"How can you read?"
"My mother taught me."

They must be going back to the Island - Ben's all beat up again. :)

[Dark Sasha]

Ah!!!! Mr. Eko!!!

The smoke monster is somehow in the plane?!?!

That's racist man

[Raphael J]

Same thing happened to me before.

Ignore them and keep discussing!

Quiet you.

[Dreaded Anomaly]

I love that Hurley put on the sleeping mask. :)

[Boris the Blade]

Quiet you.
You know I love you, but it will always be something that will come between us.

[Dreaded Anomaly]

So it seems like they're now caught up in the flashes with the rest of the Island.

[Raphael J]

You know I love you, but it will always be something that will come between us.

Damn you Canada! Why are you always ruining the things I love!

[marco19]

so im thinking that they actually edited out the plane crash part because of the buffalo crash last week or lapedius landed it on the runway kate and sawyer were building back in season 3 when they were working on the chain gang.

[ZombieSpeedball]

So Jin worked for Dharma. Huh. I hope this isn't around the time Ben and the Others killed all the Dharma workers.

[CraigM]

Except they don't even remember crashing, so it can't be because of the Buffalo Crash.

[THWIP!]

Except they don't even remember crashing, so it can't be because of the Buffalo Crash.
I'm pretty sure the episode was filmed before the crash.

[CraigM]

Well, yeah.

[Sy-Klone]

For anyone who doubts the awesomeness of The Beard, I present Frank Lapiduss as Exhibit A. Man, that dude needs his Beard. He didn't even look right without it. He looked like a younger Eric Roberts instead of an awesome Beard Pilot.

[PeteL]

Jin? What?

[Thudpucker]

This is one of the two episodes the producers changed the air dates on, right? This was originally episode 7 and next weeks (locke killing himself) was going to be episode 6?

If so I see why they flipped the order. It's a good idea.

[Briomega]

So, I'm guessing that Desmond will end up helping Widmore find the island again.

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

Did Ben go and kill penny?!

[Briomega]

Did Ben go and kill penny?!

He called Jack from down at the docks, so it seems a safe bet.

[THWIP!]

Did Ben go and kill penny?!

Or at least try. :)

[ZombieSpeedball]

Did Ben go and kill penny?!

If he did, I hope Desmond kills Ben to death.

[Raphael J]

Jin? What?

Here's the thing; we're assuming that Ben is telling the truth about them having to be on the island to stop the skips. We're assuming this is all good and proper.

When, in the history of this show, is that ever the case? What if the skips stopped because of something else and this is the Island three years later? Or what if it's the island in the past, but the skips have stopped?

[SpecialK]

What if the skips stopped because of something else and this is the Island three years later? Or what if it's the island in the past, but the skips have stopped?

I assumed it was the second, but either could be the case. Is there another possibility we're missing?

[Deej]

Hey, jerks who are ahead, please stop posting. Seriously, it's obnoxious as hell.

:lol: I seriously hope you were kidding.

You could stay away from your computer until Lost is over. That's what i do...

[Sy-Klone]

Did Ben go and kill penny?!

I don't see this show being that dark.

[Dark Sasha]

Ben killed her sister Nickel.


HI HO!

[Deej]

so im thinking that they actually edited out the plane crash part because of the buffalo crash last week or lapedius landed it on the runway kate and sawyer were building back in season 3 when they were working on the chain gang.

I'm thinking because it was expensive as hell to film!! Didn't the pilot episode cost a ton more than usual?

[Raphael J]

I assumed it was the second, but either could be the case. Is there another possibility we're missing?

Almost absolutely yes.

[Foolish Mortal]

I don't see this show being that dark.
Seriously? Have you forgotten Michael shooting Ana Lucia and Libby in the guts?

[Raphael J]

:lol: I seriously hope you were kidding.

You could stay away from your computer until Lost is over. That's what i do...

Do you really hope I was kidding? I find that a little disingenuous.

[Deej]

Do you really hope I was kidding? I find that a little disingenuous.

yes. cause if you were serious...that's kind of sad.

[Foolish Mortal]

so im thinking that they actually edited out the plane crash part because of the buffalo crash last week or lapedius landed it on the runway kate and sawyer were building back in season 3 when they were working on the chain gang.
So did the plane actually crash? Are we just assuming it did?

[Sy-Klone]

Seriously? Have you forgotten Michael shooting Ana Lucia and Libby in the guts?

Ana Lucia was pretty disliked. Libby had just barely gotten together with Hurley at the point of her death.

By contrast, they've spent lots of time over the last few seasons building the Desmond/Penny relationship as the emotional core of the series. They even showed Penny giving birth to Desmond's child a mere three weeks ago. I'm extremely skeptical that they're going to off Penny and undercut all of that.

[SpecialK]

So did the plane actually crash? Are we just assuming it did?

The light could have just opened the door on the plane, taken the people it wanted, and sent it on its merry way.

[Raphael J]

yes. cause if you were serious...that's kind of sad.

I was being facetious, but yes I find it obnoxious.

[Foolish Mortal]

Ana Lucia was pretty disliked. Libby had just barely gotten together with Hurley at the point of her death.

By contrast, they've spent lots of time over the last few seasons building the Desmond/Penny relationship as the emotional core of the series. They even showed Penny giving birth to Desmond's child a mere three weeks ago. I'm extremely skeptical that they're going to off Penny and undercut all of that.
As was mainly talking about Michael. Michael was presented to be not a bad guy, but as a father who just wanted to protect his son, and in a couple of seconds they turned him into a double-murderer.

This show can go dark.

[Rivka]

Did the flight to Guam get caught in one of the time flashes?

Did the Island just pluck them from the plane?

The others, Jin, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Faraday, were they at a particular time period when Locke "fixed" the wheel? Is it possible they were stuck at a time when Dharma first came to the island? We saw Faraday with the Dharma crew that was first building the tunnel to open the ancient chamber where the wheel was hidden. Is this at a time when Ben is a toddler?

Did Jack, Ben, Hurley, et al get caught up in the last flash just as Locke slid down that rope and fell to the bottom of the "well"? Are they all now back at the beginning of the colonization by the Dharma Initiative?

A very hurley-burley episode, pun somewhat intended. Like last week, somewhat lacking in subtlety, pace seemed somewhat forced and rushed. Lacked (just a bit) that brilliant mixture of patience, mystery, and action that has characterized the show for the first 4 seasons. Some scenes seemed stitched together for effect, like the writers know we know, and they're glossing over the details. For example, *Jack, read the f**king letter!* Went on too long. After all that's happened, given all that Jack went through to view the body, given all that Locke's "death" meant to him in season 3 and 4, why wouldn't he read the letter after it was given back to him the first time? On the other hand, the actual content of the letter was pure LOST goodness.

Kate's motivations are strange. Actress E.L. seemed to be going through the motions, to me, but maybe I'm being unkind. If something tragic happened to Aaron, why would she jump into bed with Jack immediately after? If she gave Aaron up, again, why not tell Jack? Mystery getting heavy-handed, but not too much so.

Now I want to know how everyone got back together.

My biggest fear is that Penny is dead. And what happens to little Charley? What about the theories that Desmond and Penny are the "Adam and Eve" of the island, and all? Is Ben beaten up because Desmond defended Penny and did D. and P. and baby escape? Ben says, he ran into a little "snag" or something like that. I don't think his assassination attempt against Penny went as planned. At least I hope so!

I need to read your further discussion about this episde.. I'm distracted by tonight's show; it didn't leave me in a philosophical frame of mind. Someone said, "spoon-fed" to describe some of the pop-ups in the repeat show at 8 pm. Maybe that's the vibe I'm getting -- too much is either spoon-fed, or deliberately held back in a more obvious and clumsy attempt to create more mystery. But not to a great extent -- still most of the show was classic LOST storytelling. And it still is the best current TV show.

[Sy-Klone]

As was mainly talking about Michael. Michael was presented to be not a bad guy, but as a father who just wanted to protect his son, and in a couple of seconds they turned him into a double-murderer.

This show can go dark.

Oh, I agree. It can go dark, and I don't doubt that the show would take Ben to those dark places. I just don't know if the writers would be willing to sacrifice one of the big emotional centerpieces of the show by offing Penny.

[Raphael J]

Oh, I agree. It can go dark, and I don't doubt that the show would take Ben to those dark places. I just don't know if the writers would be willing to sacrifice one of the big emotional centerpieces of the show by offing Penny.

I would normally agree with you, but man this show can really surprise me sometimes. Like last season with Rousseau and her kid.

[AndrewG]

I am so very, very impressed with this season. I read this thread every week and never post because you're theories blow my mind. Just wanted to chime in to say this was a great episode. Everything from Hurley reading Y to the white shoes explaination to Ben getting beat up. The season seems to be moving at a frantic pace and I'm loving every minute of it.

[The Human Target]

Well that was fun.

"What about the other people on the plane?"

"Who cares?"

I find it incredibly interesting that the island itself has always been moving around, not just since Ben and Locke turned the wheel. That explains why the islands weather used to be so wonky.

I hope Ben killed Penny.

I legitimately have no idea why Sayid would be in custody on a plane to Guam.

I think Charlie came to visit Hurley, which is why Hurley brought a guitar case onto the plane.

So Sun just doesn't seem to care about leaving her kid behind for possibly ever?

I was hoping for Walt to be on the plane.

And that ending caught me totally by surprise.

[Foolish Mortal]

Well that was fun.

"What about the other people on the plane?"

"Who cares?"
Ben can be such a bastard. :lol:


I legitimately have no idea why Sayid would be in custody on a plane to Guam.
He's playing Kate's "part". She was in the custody of a Marshal the first time.


So Sun just doesn't seem to care about leaving her kid behind for possibly ever?
She probably believes if they could get off the island once, they can do it again.

[Sy-Klone]

I would normally agree with you, but man this show can really surprise me sometimes. Like last season with Rousseau and her kid.

Oh, I could be wrong. This show is capable of surprising me every now and again. :) I guess we'll see.

I've steadily been losing interest in the show this season, but this episode was very good and the preview for the next episode looks great as well. I'll be watching.

[Alex K.]

My guess is that as some people said already that when the plane went through the window, everyone who was returning to the Island time traveled to Dharma Days to sync up with everyone who was left behind. So there's no plane wreckage around Jack, Hurley and Kate because the plane and the other passengers went ahead and crashed on the Island in 2009. And those survivors were the ones who used up everything at the camp and were chasing/shooting at Sawyer and everyone in the canoes when they flashed to the future.

[Alex K.]

My g/f had a good suggestion that Kate got out of bringing Aaron by getting knocked up by Jack to become Claire's proxy

[Rosdower 3.0]

Hey, jerks who are ahead, please stop posting. Seriously, it's obnoxious as hell.

seriously, if you don't want to be spoiled...I suggest coming to this thread, after it's over. You can't blame someone for being ahead (i.e. time zones, etc). That's just ridiculous.

[The Human Target]

Ben can be such a bastard. :lol:


He's playing Kate's "part". She was in the custody of a Marshal the first time.


She probably believes if they could get off the island once, they can do it again.

Well yeah, but I'm saying what could Sayid have done that would result in him being handcuffed and on his way to Guam of all places? I'm intrested to find out.

I just wish they would have written the character to have at least mentioned the fact that she's abandoning her daughter.




And Alex K, I think you're going to end up being right.

[RoShambo]

My g/f had a good suggestion that Kate got out of bringing Aaron by getting knocked up by Jack to become Claire's proxy

ooo. good thought....hmm..

[The Human Target]

My g/f had a good suggestion that Kate got out of bringing Aaron by getting knocked up by Jack to become Claire's proxy

Now thats an interesting idea.

Maybe thats also why Hugo brought the guitar. And maybe he was all high like Charlie too. :)

[TRILL, THE CARBON BASED LIFEFORM]

Have we seen Jack's grandpa before? It was written like we should know who he is.

I'm getting sick of this jumping around in time thing.

[The Human Target]

No we haven't see Jack's grandaddy.

I was actually thinking Jack would invite him to come along.

[Adam Geen]

Not sure if anyone caught the clip for next week but it showed Locke talking with the woman who was escorting Sayid on the plane.

[Rosdower 3.0]

Another great episode! I know a lot of people are upset that we are getting some answers up front, but I welcome it. There is only a season and a half left and they have to answer some stuff along the way, at this point. Plus, with that said...there is still a season and a half left! Where do we go from here? That's a pretty big mystery into itself.

Yay for 'Y: the last man' plug!

Yay for Hurley buying up extra plane tickets to try and save lives!

Yay for Frank showing up again!

Pretty worried about what Ben did before he called Jack from the dock...at first I just assumed it was finally time to "take out" Whitmore, but now I am fearful it has to do with Penny.

And for those of you doubting how "dark" this show can get, I have seen people get buried alive, arms ripped off, women shot point blank in the gut and a son gas his father alive while he watched him die. Yeah...for better or worse, this show has, can and will get "that dark".

As for Aaron...well, honestly couldn't care less. Babies, kids always get written out of shows or sent to an alternate dimension and come back as a teenager or something, because well let's face it, 90% of writers write themselves into a corner with characters that young. No one knows what to do with them. And with Claire being seemingly written out the same way, it comes as no surprise.

*edit* also, forgot about the best line of the episode: "Because my mother taught me" Classic!

[Rosdower 3.0]

Not sure if anyone caught the clip for next week but it showed Locke talking with the woman who was escorting Sayid on the plane.

Hmm...interesting.

Did it look like someone was in Locke's apartment with him when he was about to (or just had) hang himself? It was edited to fast it was hard for me to tell what was up. I'll have to look for that preview online to watch it again.

[THWIP!]

Not sure if anyone caught the clip for next week but it showed Locke talking with the woman who was escorting Sayid on the plane.

Also that Ben was with Locke just before he was about to hang himself.


I'm glad that they didn't drag out the whole getting back the island thing all season.

[The Human Target]

Yeah, I love the new fast pace of the show.


I think Ben just lies for fun.

[Rosdower 3.0]

If he did, I hope Desmond kills Ben to death.

I don't if it will be Desmond who does it...but I can't wait for Ben to get what's coming to him! Hope it's slow and painful :twisted:

[Rosdower 3.0]

This is one of the two episodes the producers changed the air dates on, right? This was originally episode 7 and next weeks (locke killing himself) was going to be episode 6?

If so I see why they flipped the order. It's a good idea.

You are correct.

While I was watching tonight's episode I was thinking how happy I was that they decided to go this route too.

[RoShambo]

Hmm...interesting.

Did it look like someone was in Locke's apartment with him when he was about to (or just had) hang himself? It was edited to fast it was hard for me to tell what was up. I'll have to look for that preview online to watch it again.


Also that Ben was with Locke just before he was about to hang himself.


Yeah, it was definitely Ben and it looked like he was kneeling/bending down in front of him.

[Rosdower 3.0]

Also that Ben was with Locke just before he was about to hang himself.


Thanks for confirming that, I thought as much.

[RoShambo]

So, is Locke going to be discorporated or a spirit tied to the island (or whatever) like Jack's dad now?

[The Human Target]

I really hope Ben gets away.

It would be such a different ending for the shows main villain.

Or he gets locked in a vault with the immortal Arvin Sloane.

[Rosdower 3.0]

Yeah, it was definitely Ben and it looked like he was kneeling/bending down in front of him.

Can't wait for next week, it looks like another solid episode.

I almost forgot about Ben and Jack in the church earlier tonight...I like how this episode is focusing on the resurrection theme, and am anxious to see where they go with it.

[The Human Target]

I think the preview leans toward Locke being really alive again.

[Rosdower 3.0]

So, is Locke going to be discorporated or a spirit tied to the island (or whatever) like Jack's dad now?

That would be my guess. Another wondering island spirit.

[Rosdower 3.0]

I really hope Ben gets away.

It would be such a different ending for the shows main villain.

Or he gets locked in a vault with the immortal Arvin Sloane.

I think he will somehow be permanently banished/castaway from the island. It would be the best justice we could see him get considering how the island means everything to him.

[The Human Target]

It looks like he's alive on the beach with the plane crash survivors though.

Which is a lot more direct that any of the other island ghosts have been.

[Alex K.]

I think the preview leans toward Locke being really alive again.

I was really hoping that tonight's episode was going to end on him walking out of the jungle. I think that would have made a nice lead in to next week's episode.

[Adam Geen]

It looks like he's alive on the beach with the plane crash survivors though.

Which is a lot more direct that any of the other island ghosts have been.

See that's what I had thought.

I thought I saw him talking with the agent escorting Sayid on the beach in the preview for next week.

[Alex K.]

See that's what I had thought.

I thought I saw him talking with the agent escorting Sayid on the beach in the preview for next week.

I just assumed that was him meeting with her sometime before he died and that had something to do with why she ended up escorting Sayid on the plane. She was part of his plan to get Sayid back.

[RoShambo]

Wasn't there something that Sawyer asked Kate to do? Did we ever find out what it was?

[Alex K.]

Wasn't there something that Sawyer asked Kate to do? Did we ever find out what it was?

Not yet, but it's widely speculated that it has something to do with watching over his daughter Cassidy

[Alex K.]

I think it was pretty clever how they used the episode to basically set up the flashbacks for the rest of the season

-How Sayid ended up in Custody
-What happened to Kate that changed her mind about going back/What happened to Aaron
-How did Hurley get out of jail and find out about the flight and decide to get on it
-How ben got his ass kicked (again)
-How Jin ended up driving a Dharma Van

[Supreme Convoy]

Gotta love the Vaughan shout out :)

[Rosdower 3.0]

I think it was pretty clever how they used the episode to basically set up the flashbacks for the rest of the season

-How did Hurley get out of jail and find out about the flight and decide to get on it


Exactly :)

Hurley got out of jail because Ben's lawyer buddy told him he had a way to get him the charges against him dropped. How he decided to get on the flight is still on that plane...it sure as hell wasn't because of Jack, he was to busy getting a piece of ass. Guess I can't blame him for that one. ;)

Otherwise, Jack is a man of (in)action...the most indecisive hero ever! Ha! :)

[Patton]

-How did Hurley get out of jail and find out about the flight and decide to get on it

I'm thinking Charlie convinced him. Hence the axe.

[Rosdower 3.0]

I'm thinking Charlie convinced him. Hence the axe.

That makes sense.

That or Hurley is going to record a dedication album to Charlie on the island. It should be titled: "Hurley sings the blues and 12 other heart-breaking, soul-affirming anthems".

[Freeway]

Great, great episode. I have no idea where they go from here.

[Rosdower 3.0]

Great, great episode. I have no idea where they go from here.

"We stand today on the edge of a new frontier...a frontier of unknown opportunities and perils...a frontier of unfulfilled hopes and threats."

That's half the fun :)

[Rosemary's Baby]

What did the guy in the airport say to Jack? For some reason my audio gave out there.

[King of Mars]

What did the guy in the airport say to Jack? For some reason my audio gave out there."I'm sorry about your friend."

[Rosdower 3.0]

"I'm sorry about your friend."

Now the question is...red herring or next, new important cast member?

[dougmac]

Now the question is...red herring or next, new important cast member?

he's too good of an actor to just be a red herring. He was great in The Kingdom and Three Kings.

[artimoff]

Now the question is...red herring or next, new important cast member?


I think we were meant to racial profile him as the reason the plane was going to go down.

[ZombieSpeedball]

I'm just so glad that the entire season didn't consist of them trying to get back to the island.

[Patton]

What did the guy in the airport say to Jack? For some reason my audio gave out there.

He said "Hey man. I'm an actor that's been in a few things so your audience knows I'm gonna be making it to the island alive and sticking around for a bit."

[King of Mars]

He said "Hey man. I'm an actor that's been in a few things so your audience knows I'm gonna be making it to the island alive and sticking around for a bit."That dude looks like Jabsen. It's kinda disconcerting. :)

[HoldFastNow]

I was thinking that once the 6 (plus maybe Frank and Ben) were in the island's radius and a flash happened and they jumped through time (since they should've been on the island in the first place) while the plane and the rest of it's passengers ended up crashing in the present.

Remember a few weeks ago when Sawyer and Faraday's crew make it to the beach and see the wreckage of the same airline the 6 were on? And then someone starts shooting at them on the raft? Probably the new survivors shooting at them and not the 6 after all.

Oh, and I loved the episode but am disappointed that they didn't try and bring Walt. He's the right age now, and it would've made sense if they were trying to recreate the crash (I feel like maybe Ben doesn't want him around). But other than that, great episode.

[oconnellmd]

Also very pleased they got them back to the isle before May sweeps. Their pacing is really working for me. I was worried this was going to be a "drag" season that would lose impatient viewers. Lovin' it!!

EDIT: Oh, and forgot to give it up for Action Jack's cliff dive! Awesome!

[oconnellmd]

Pffft. That's ridiculous. It's not about the bible or anything like that.

The title is clearly a Van Halen reference.

Or was the Van Halen song a Lost reference?

:shock:

[Marc Lombardi]

Walt will almost certainly be on next week. We'll surely see when Jeremy Bentham/Ben went to visit Walt (as we found out last season) while he's recruiting folks to go back to the island.

I thought this was a stellar episode!

[Slamdunk]

I really enjoyed the episode. For me it's a good model of what Lost is known for (generating mysteries to be explained later) but done as well as possible. I remember in season 3 when Jack was being held in that whatever room, there was a moment when Juliet created a few completely arbitrary mysteries in a row that were solved by the end of that scene or that episode. There can be a superficial pleasure to that kind of story-telling, but Lost really shines when it builds mystery like it did in 316. Not knowing what got Hurley, Kate, and Sayid aboard the flight, what happened with Ben, and what was in John's note really gave the episode a creepy atmosphere. It was integral to the plot for Jack to be out of so many loops.

Also, it's just fun when Ben busts out in some weird state and has to explain something really quickly.

Do any other Y fans think there was any significance to the volume chosen, returning astronauts and all?

My guess is Penny's dead. It just makes the most sense to the story if Desmond is to remain in it. Since it looks like everyone is going to wind up living in the past for a while, it will give future-changing Desmond some future-changing to do.

I could be wrong about this but is there really any reason to believe that Christian is not alive and well on the island? I haven't watched the early episodes in a while but wasn't his casket empty when Jack found it? I know he said he couldn't give Locke a hand when he had to turn the pirate wheel. I have a feeling Locke will be resurrected in full-flesh-form.

[Hock]

FRANK RULES!!!

Also, I like that it looks like were finally going to get some proper flashbacks.

I'm currently reading the same book Ben was reading. And I don't just mean the same work of literature, I mean the same edition.

The suicide note was awesome.

When Sayid was on his killing spree for ben, do we know if he ever offed anyone in Guam? Could be why he was being transported, even if we don't yet know how he was caught.

I think Locke will be resurrected, but not totally resurrected and walking around with everyone, he's going to have the same sort of status that Christian Shepard currently has. Although we don't really know what that status is.

Who stayed with the plane when it crashed? It's possible everyone not shown time jumped, or none of them.

Will flight attendant, Marshall Lady, and other first class guy remember seeing Jack, Hurley, Kate, and who knows who else disappear? And if so what repurcusions will that have if the meet up later?

What will hapen when/if they found out that Jack, et al, knew shit was going to go down.

Will Christian Shepard be pissed off that Locke is wearing his shoes?

"Who Cares?" The Island sure as shit doesn't care about a bunch of plebs.

[LeggoMyEggolas]

I was thinking that once the 6 (plus maybe Frank and Ben) were in the island's radius and a flash happened and they jumped through time (since they should've been on the island in the first place) while the plane and the rest of it's passengers ended up crashing in the present.

Remember a few weeks ago when Sawyer and Faraday's crew make it to the beach and see the wreckage of the same airline the 6 were on? And then someone starts shooting at them on the raft? Probably the new survivors shooting at them and not the 6 after all.

Oh, and I loved the episode but am disappointed that they didn't try and bring Walt. He's the right age now, and it would've made sense if they were trying to recreate the crash (I feel like maybe Ben doesn't want him around). But other than that, great episode.
Crazy thought:
Ben fulfills Walt's role of the "unwanted" child. IIRC at the time of the original crash, Michael was still unsure about having to take Walt. Time on the island solidified their relationship.

[Ultimate Lurker]

The island let Walt and Michael leave. That's why they didn't need to go back. They weren't trying to recreate the crash, they were just told to be on that flight if they wanted to get back to the island. They all figured it would probably crash.

If they did time jump out of it, and the plane crashed somewhere on the island, does that mean the first plane crash was caused the same way? Was someone on the original flight that had been on the island and was trying to get back?

[Generic Poster]

...is he going to kidnap Walt?

I mean, if they're going to recreate the flight, then shouldn't he be on there?

I assumed he was going to kill Penny, since with Desomond's appearance, Ben now knows where she is.

[GrantCalibre]

If they did time jump out of it, and the plane crashed somewhere on the island, does that mean the first plane crash was caused the same way? Was someone on the original flight that had been on the island and was trying to get back?

I thought it was pretty clearly explained that the first crash was caused when Desmond refused to put the numbers in, and the electromagnetic field in the hatch almost literally "yanked" the plane toward the island.

[Generic Poster]

It irritated me that Jack wore a suit, instead of clothes that would be reasonable for living on the island.

[Bill Nolan]

I appreciated the insertion of a Wilhelm Scream into the plane crash scene. Made me LOL.

[TRILL, THE CARBON BASED LIFEFORM]

It irritated me that Jack wore a suit, instead of clothes that would be reasonable for living on the island.

He was wearing a suit when the original plane crashed.

[Foolish Mortal]

It irritated me that Jack wore a suit, instead of clothes that would be reasonable for living on the island.
Remember he was told that they'd have to replicate as much stuff as possible from the first time. Jack was wearing a suit the first crash.

[Generic Poster]

He was wearing a suit when the original plane crashed.

Bah! And Kate was wearing handcuffs on the original plane. Doesn't seem like the suit was necessary.

[greg donovan]

Bah! And Kate was wearing handcuffs on the original plane. Doesn't seem like the suit was necessary.

the suit gave us that very misleading (and awesome) opening scene. i thought for sure that we were getting some sort of flash back to the the first scene of the show there for a minute.

[Foolish Mortal]

Bah! And Kate was wearing handcuffs on the original plane. Doesn't seem like the suit was necessary.
I can't see them letting Kate on the plane wearing handcuffs without some explanation. :lol:

In any case Eloise said they'd need to get as close as possible. I think she knew that they couldn't mirror everything picture perfect.

[Gregory]

the suit gave us that very misleading (and awesome) opening scene. i thought for sure that we were getting some sort of flash back to the the first scene of the show there for a minute.

It made me wonder if we'll see some sort of closed loop with the survivors as we did with the compass.

[GrantCalibre]

I can't see them letting Kate on the plane wearing handcuffs without some explanation. :lol:

In any case Eloise said they'd need to get as close as possible. I think she knew that they couldn't mirror everything picture perfect.

Plus, as somebody already pointed out, Sayid was in handcuffs and thus was a proxy for Kate's original role. Kate's probably a proxy for Claire's original role: the mother abandoning her child. Claire did intend to abandon her child, after all.

[Patton]

I wonder if something happened when the plane crashed that sent Sawyer, Jin, Juliet, Daniel, Miles, etc into various, separate times. I mean, Jin seems to have acclimated himself to a certain time as if he's been stuck there a while. As did Daniel in the season premiere. I dunno if the plane crash did that but I can't imagine what would cause it.

[whazisname]

I wonder if something happened when the plane crashed that sent Sawyer, Jin, Juliet, Daniel, Miles, etc into various, separate times. I mean, Jin seems to have acclimated himself to a certain time as if he's been stuck there a while. As did Daniel in the season premiere. I dunno if the plane crash did that but I can't imagine what would cause it.

Because three years would have now passed for Jin and all of the others on the island. They are in the 70's...but three years would still have to have passed for them to be meeting the Oceanic 6.

[Patton]

Because three years would have now passed for Jin and all of the others on the island. They are in the 70's...but three years would still have to have passed for them to be meeting the Oceanic 6.

Ah so then they're all in the same time but they're stuck in the 70's. I guess I didn't think Jin looked like he was from the same time as Faraday did in the premiere.

[Rosdower 3.0]

It irritated me that Jack wore a suit, instead of clothes that would be reasonable for living on the island.

You have to dress to impress and remind the island what it's been missing. :)

[Hock]

Because three years would have now passed for Jin and all of the others on the island. They are in the 70's...but three years would still have to have passed for them to be meeting the Oceanic 6.

not necessarily, crazy shit going on with time could mean time was passing differently, or that because they were together on the Island they got pulled into the same time as the others because of some sort of link.

[Criden]

Walt will almost certainly be on next week. We'll surely see when Jeremy Bentham/Ben went to visit Walt (as we found out last season) while he's recruiting folks to go back to the island.

I thought this was a stellar episode!

Sorry, remind me--when/how did we learn this? Thanks!

[Ultimate Lurker]

Because three years would have now passed for Jin and all of the others on the island. They are in the 70's...but three years would still have to have passed for them to be meeting the Oceanic 6.

Makes sense. The van still ran. Faraday being with Dharma earlier, warning Charlotte about dying if she comes back. Faraday is probably trying to figure out how to get them back to the present.

[greg donovan]

i think that daniel is the brilliant man that designed/built the lampost station.

[Foolish Mortal]

Sorry, remind me--when/how did we learn this? Thanks!
In the season finale last year, it's mentioned (by Michael's mother I think) that no one came to see Walt when they came back except "Jeremy".

And of course we now know that Jeremy was Locke.

[Marc Lombardi]

In the season finale last year, it's mentioned (by Michael's mother I think) that no one came to see Walt when they came back except "Jeremy".

And of course we now know that Jeremy was Locke.
Bingo. And Locke's relationship with Walt was something that always made me believe he'd talk to him. I'm thinking Walt COULD have been on that plane and no one would have known. He may have already been at the back of the plane when everyone else got on...that Locke would have told him not to contact the others when he saw them at the airport?

[Criden]

In the season finale last year, it's mentioned (by Michael's mother I think) that no one came to see Walt when they came back except "Jeremy".

And of course we now know that Jeremy was Locke.

Ah, right. I remember now. Thanks FM!

[Cth]

All the good stuff's been covered already, but good catch on Jin-in-the-70s stuff..

As far as what happened with Ben -- I'd say he went to kill Penny, but Whidmore's goons roughed him up and it didn't go how Ben wanted. Whidmore knew where Penny/Desmond were going and was keeping tabs on them. Ben was too unnerved for everything to have gone the way he planned.

As far as parallels to the first crash --

Hurley reading the Spanish comic is a nice nod to Walt. Not intended as such, but still. What's interesting is that volume was about waiting for a crash to happen as well.

[The Dean]

On the Ben killing Penny theory...

I don't think he pulled it off. Didn't he say something went wrong?

[Cth]

I was kind of hoping Ben stole Desmond and Penny's baby Charlie to lure them to the island.

[Rosemary's Baby]

He said "Hey man. I'm an actor that's been in a few things so your audience knows I'm gonna be making it to the island alive and sticking around for a bit."

:)

[Gregory]

On the Ben killing Penny theory...

I don't think he pulled it off. Didn't he say something went wrong?

I think he kidnapped Penny, and that forces Desmond to take the boat to the Pacific to find the island and fetch Ben.

[whazisname]

not necessarily, crazy shit going on with time could mean time was passing differently, or that because they were together on the Island they got pulled into the same time as the others because of some sort of link.

Jin's face not being "dry-rotted" anymore pretty much means some time has passed. The Oceanic six were not pulled into the same time as we last saw Jin, Sawyer and the others. The Oceanic six WERE pulled into Jin, Sawyer and the other's CURRENT TIME.


Makes sense. The van still ran. Faraday being with Dharma earlier, warning Charlotte about dying if she comes back. Faraday is probably trying to figure out how to get them back to the present.

Exactly! Once Locke fixed the wheel, Jin and the others would have been stuck in whatever time period they were in.

What I think would be funny is if Daniel, Jin and the others had to wait around for a few months for Dharma to show up to start building The Orchid, which would be their only way to get back to their correct time. They start helping because they have nothing better to do and to get it done faster.

[Ben]

Ah so then they're all in the same time but they're stuck in the 70's. I guess I didn't think Jin looked like he was from the same time as Faraday did in the premiere.So this is just another way for ABC to promote Life on Mars?

[bachman]

So this is just another way for ABC to promote Life on Mars?

An all-new Life on Mars? Coming up after an all-new Lost? On ABC?

[Ben]

I think Kate gave Aaron to Claire's mom.

[Ben]

An all-new Life on Mars? Coming up after an all-new Lost? On ABC?"If you enjoyed seeing the characters of Lost stuck in the past in the 1970s, here's another show that's just like it!"

[Dark Sasha]

I think Kate ate Aaron.

[bachman]

I think Kate ate Aaron.

I thought that too!!! She was all spread out on the bed and lethargic (perhaps stuffed?) And then she's all like, "Don't ask me what happend!"

[Lab-Rat]

Hurley reading the Spanish comic is a nice nod to Walt. Not intended as such, but still. What's interesting is that volume was about waiting for a crash to happen as well.

actually...the Green Lantern Comic that was in Spanish that Walt was reading at the beginning of Season 1 was brought on the plane by Hurley.




Also...I loved Sayid's reaction when he saw Jack get on the plane. It was a very obvious:

"Wait...what the hell!? Aw...fuck you guys."

[Mylazycat]

Great, great episode. I have no idea where they go from here.

There hasn't been a season that's gone as I expected yet.

After two seasons, I thought the series would end with them finally getting off the island.

They did that in season 3 and I thought the show would deal with life off the island from then on in.

They did deal with life off the island, then found they had to go back to the island again.

Then I thought this season would be about what happened between the day the Oceanic 6 left to the day Locke ended up dead, which would be the season finale. In the final season everyone returns to the island and wraps things up.

Now, with over a season and a half left they're already back on the island again!

Fuck if I know what's coming next. I love it!

[Marc Lombardi]

I'm guessing that Kate gave the baby back to Claire. Think about it. She was clearly spooked and who else would Kate give the baby to and then not want to talk about it...ever. What would make her suddenly change her mind except for something so unexpected...something SO strange it would make her give Aaron back to someone. I'm guessing it'll be some creepy moment with Claire coming to Kate once more, except this time it won't be a dream.

[Dark Sasha]

I thought that too!!! She was all spread out on the bed and lethargic (perhaps stuffed?) And then she's all like, "Don't ask me what happend!"

Because technically, Aaron was inside someone on the plane so...

[Marc Lombardi]

Proxies on the plane:

Sun = herself
Kate = Claire (she's pregnant with Jack's baby)
Jack = himself
Locke's body = Jack's dad's body
Hugo = Himself + Charlie
Sayid = Kate
Sayid's "guest" = Kate's Federal Marshall
"I'm sorry about your friend" guy = Sayid
Stewardess = Stewardess from the Tailies
Ben = ???
Lapidus = Greg Grunberg pilot

[Mylazycat]

Why is Ben on the plane? I could have sworn (don't own the DVDs) it was said that whoever moves the island can never return.

[thatguyfromsyracuse]

Proxies on the plane:

Sun = herself
Kate = Claire (she's pregnant with Jack's baby)
Jack = himself
Locke's body = Jack's dad's body
Hugo = Himself + Charlie
Sayid = Kate
Sayid's "guest" = Kate's Federal Marshall
"I'm sorry about your friend" guy = Sayid
Stewardess = Stewardess from the Tailies
Ben = ???
Lapidus = Greg Grunberg pilot

See, that guy, I got a weird feeling from him. I don't think he's Sayids proxy. Sayid is still Sayid. I have a feeling his is just an unknown player in all of this so far.