How would you feel if...

[Kefky]

Norman Osborn successfully killed MU Barak Obama?



I dunno, it's just something random I was thinking about. :)

[rwsmith]

Probably wouldn't feel too much since, well, he'd still be alive in real life. It would be ballsy on Marvel's part, though, and would probably be pretty controversial.

[Captain Sensation]

indifferent, as long as life doesnt imitate art

[RebootedCorpse]

I imagine Marvel Comics would be in a world of shit.

[Ray G.]

That would be epic.

Never happen in a million years.

[Armored Dildo]

I can't imagine how it wouldn't come off as a cheap attention-grabbing/controversy-mongering stunt.

[bartleby]

My biggest problem with it would be that I'm not really sure why that would make much sense in the context of the story. What benefit does Norman Osborn have in killing President Obama. I could see somebody like the Red Skrull or Doctor Doom killing him, but I don't see how the move works into Osborn's plans.

[Yorick Brown]

Creeped out.

[Shwicaz]

My biggest problem with it would be that I'm not really sure why that would make much sense in the context of the story. What benefit does Norman Osborn have in killing President Obama. I could see somebody like the Red Skrull or Doctor Doom killing him, but I don't see how the move works into Osborn's plans.

It would show that the world needed HIM now more than ever (as opposed to that 'soft on terror' guy, Tony Stark. Hell, if he could engineer it to make it look as if Tony Stark did it (and painted it as retaliation for the break up of SHIELD and his loss of position), that would be one hell of an epic story line.

Not only would it eliminate the one person who can take away the power from Normie and his 'dark avengers' but it would also give his team carte blanche to take down Tony and his vocal supporters in the hero community, by any means necessary.

I would read the shit out of that.

[bartleby]

It would show that the world needed HIM now more than ever (as opposed to that 'soft on terror' guy, Tony Stark. Hell, if he could engineer it to make it look as if Tony Stark did it (and painted it as retaliation for the break up of SHIELD and his loss of position), that would be one hell of an epic story line.

Not only would it eliminate the one person who can take away the power from Normie and his 'dark avengers' but it would also give his team carte blanche to take down Tony and his vocal supporters in the hero community, by any means necessary.

I would read the shit out of that.

The problem is that Norman Osborn has that already. Trying to assassinate the President and framing it on someone else just puts everything he has at risk.

[Kefky]

My biggest problem with it would be that I'm not really sure why that would make much sense in the context of the story. What benefit does Norman Osborn have in killing President Obama. I could see somebody like the Red Skrull or Doctor Doom killing him, but I don't see how the move works into Osborn's plans.

You haven't been keeping up with thunderbolts solicits, have you? :)

[Shwicaz]

The problem is that Norman Osborn has that already. Trying to assassinate the President and framing it on someone else just puts everything he has at risk.


Not necesarily....Tony is out of power and not the most popular man in America right now (along with many of the heroes of the avengers, etc), but they are no means incarcerated/being hunted down for crimes against humanity/the country as they would be if Norman arranged some bullshit and claimed/made it look as if Tony Stark used his weapons technology to specifically target the president.

There would be heroes that would know this is bullshit, and try to help/defend Tony, and they could be taken down swiftly/ruthlessly by Norman's 'all assassin' team without much public outcry at the vicious ways in which he would do so.

The country (in the Marvel U) would see it as 'justified' for the horrible events that happened to the prez.

(although, i guess it would be too similar to the Civil War deaths/public outcry etc.....but as you can see, a good writer...or hell, a halfway decent internet poster--me--could make it work. )

I've already given you the outline..I don't think that it 'wouldn't work' in the context of the story, as you previously stated.

[ZombieSpeedball]

I'd feel like Marvel was for absolutely no reason shooting themselves in the foot.

[Jef UK]

That would be really fucked up. And stupid beyond belief.

[The Hodag]

It'd be an awkward situation. Marvel's always prided itself on reflecting the real world, and the first black president for America is such a huge change for America that if Marvel were to suddenly undo it - whether it was through killing his "character", revealing him to be a skrull, really, anything that took him out of the office - they'd then be writing about a world pretty radically different from the one we live in.

I figure it'd be the same if they changed any major situation that affected America, though this more than most. But if a comic showed, next week, that the Avengers stabilized Iraq, that USAgent killed Bin Laden, or that Tony Stark returned to prominance by figuring out how to completely stabilize the economy...it'd feel a sort of "off".

In that sense, DC probably has more freedom to play around. They just deal in analogs, and their history of fictional cities does distance them a bit from the real world. So they can do Luthor as president or have Black Adam destroy that nation that's an Iraq analog (is it Kandaq or something?), and it's no big thing.

[Garth]

It would be a decision like this that would bring a huge amount of bad publicity on the comics industry. It would be a weird decision to make...and pretty fucking morbid.

[Len Snark]

In that sense, DC probably has more freedom to play around. They just deal in analogs, and their history of fictional cities does distance them a bit from the real world.

They don't just deal in analogs. Real places, like New York, Washington DC, Chicago, etc. exist alongside the fake places.

[Ray G.]

See, it could be a very good story. The President let the fox into the henhouse and paid the price.

It's also a story that can ONLY happen in a world with fictional Presidents.

[ShortStack]

I too, would feel creeped out.

[The Hodag]

They don't just deal in analogs. Real places, like New York, Washington DC, Chicago, etc. exist alongside the fake places.

Yeah, I worded that badly. I meant they deal a lot more in analogs than Marvek. It's pretty defining for DC that they use so many fictional locales.

[Caley Tibbittz]

Yeah, I worded that badly. I meant they deal a lot more in analogs than Marvek. It's pretty defining for DC that they use so many fictional locales.

Make mine Marvek.

[SMACK!]

Norman Osborn successfully killed MU Barak Obama?



I dunno, it's just something random I was thinking about. :)

Meh. No one stays dead in the Marvel Universe. Barak would be back.

[The Hodag]

Make mine Marvek.

I'm at work!

Fuck you! :-x

:lol:

A few weeks back I was posting about X-Men Noir and I called the Blob "the Blog." :Oops:

[MabusRex]

Well, I really don't think it's Marvel's place to bump off actual living people so I would be annoyed more than anything.

That's not what Norman's trying to do, anyway.

[NeverWanderer]

I'd feel very sorry for Marvel as half the nation turned on them -- and perhaps comics in general.

[Kefky]

That's not what Norman's trying to do, anyway.

It's what he'll be trying to do according to future solicits.

Or else I wouldn't even have started this thread in the first place. :blah:

[JABSEN]

I'd feel really weird about it.

[Brad N.]

See, it could be a very good story. The President let the fox into the henhouse and paid the price.

It's also a story that can ONLY happen in a world with fictional Presidents.

:mistrust:

Somehow I can't imagine you would have been so enthusiastic with Marvel killing Bush or McCain had HE won. I'm a little disappointed.

[Ray G.]

:mistrust:

Somehow I can't imagine you would have been so enthusiastic with Marvel killing Bush or McCain had HE won. I'm a little disappointed.

Didn't I just say that I'm not comfortable with it being Obama? This is why I prefer DC's fictional Presidents.

It's a good story to have a villain take down a President. Having it be Obama is a bad idea.

[Brad N.]

So yeah, Marvel would be making one of the worst decisions in the history of comics. It would bring a shitstorm of negative press, probably make an enemy of the real Obama, quite possibly piss off the vast majority of readers, and not to mention it just would come off as fucking weird. Let's also not forget the advertisers who would probably want nothing to do with a company that advocates killing the president, so yeah.

I know the internet is full of larger than life statements but I shit you not a decision to kill Obama in the MU would most certainly be the beginning of the end for Marvel. They're not stupid enough to do that are they?

[Ray G.]

So yeah, Marvel would be making one of the worst decisions in the history of comics. It would bring a shitstorm of negative press, probably make an enemy of the real Obama, quite possibly piss off the vast majority of readers, and not to mention it just would come off as fucking weird. Let's also not forget the advertisers who would probably want nothing to do with a company that advocates killing the president, so yeah.

I know the internet is full of larger than life statements but I shit you not a decision to kill Obama in the MU would most certainly be the beginning of the end for Marvel. They're not stupid enough to do that are they?

Pretty much.

This is why I really don't like Marvel's attempts to tie the MU into the real world. I hated when they brought 9/11 into it, and it's a little awkward overall.

I still wish they had gone with Pres. Colbert. :lol:

[Brad N.]

Didn't I just say that I'm not comfortable with it being Obama? This is why I prefer DC's fictional Presidents.

It's a good story to have a villain take down a President. Having it be Obama is a bad idea.

I know that, but if someone had asked about Osborn killing President McCain I have to think you'd probably never utter the words "It would make a good story" in a million years. Your response would probably be similar to mine above only a few added "unpatriotic" and "freedom hating" remarks. ;)

That said, who says they have to kill him? Why couldn't Osborn just take control of him, kidnap him, etc?

[Brad N.]

Pretty much.

This is why I really don't like Marvel's attempts to tie the MU into the real world. I hated when they brought 9/11 into it, and it's a little awkward overall.

I still wish they had gone with Pres. Colbert. :lol:

agreed.

[Ray G.]

I know that, but if someone had asked about Osborn killing President McCain I have to think you'd probably never utter the words "It would make a good story" in a million years. Your response would probably be similar to mine above only a few added "unpatriotic" and "freedom hating" remarks. ;)

That said, who says they have to kill him? Why couldn't Osborn just take control of him, kidnap him, etc?

True, that could work. Osborn's good with brainwashing and the like.

I don't know if you know this, but DC actually did kill the President-elect in a recent story and have him replaced with a fascist robot. It all went down in a Freedom Fighters mini. The President there was a guy named Senator Knight.

[Brad N.]

True, that could work. Osborn's good with brainwashing and the like.

I don't know if you know this, but DC actually did kill the President-elect in a recent story and have him replaced with a fascist robot. It all went down in a Freedom Fighters mini. The President there was a guy named Senator Knight.


Yeah, fictional is fine and all.

[bartleby]

That said, who says they have to kill him? Why couldn't Osborn just take control of him, kidnap him, etc?

Fake an assassination attempt and have his Avengers save the President.

[Brad N.]

Fake an assassination attempt and have his Avengers save the President.

get this man a job with Marvel, stat!

although even with that you still get the negative press about killing Obama in the Marvel U (even IF in the end it was a fakeout). I guess the only way I could see that working and not being nasty for Marvel and readers alike would be if it was obvious and spelled out from the beginning. If EVERYONE knew what the plan was and there was no confusion about the story. It HAS to be stressed up front that this is the intention, not an assasination, then fakeout is revealed the next issue, that would be VERY bad.

[ManOfMiracles]

Probably wouldn't get the book it happened in, simply because I buy comic books to enjoy a good "super hero" story, not to have a writer, artist, or even a comic book company force their political views on me at $3.99 a pop.

[Brad N.]

Probably wouldn't get the book it happened in, simply because I buy comic books to enjoy a good "super hero" story, not to have a writer, artist, or even a comic book company force their political views on me at $3.99 a pop.

Heh, Amazon Women on the Moon was on HBO last night.

[Andrew]

I don't know how I would feel about it, but it would be a pretty stupid thing to do.

Then again, remember a while ago when that movie Death of a President came out, portraying a world in which George Bush was assassinated in October of 2007 and Dick Cheney became the President? Did anyone here see that movie? And, if I recall, there wasn't exactly a huge outrage over that outside of those on the far-right.

Now, I'm no fan of George Bush, but I would think that a live-action movie depicting the death of a President would be slightly worse than a comic book depicting the death of a President.

I guess that the only thing that the latter would have over the former in the sense of "seeming worse" is that Obama is very popular, while Bush isn't. Also, Marvel could be misconstrued as pushing forward a "hidden racist agenda" or something by far-left extremists in the media, even though most people at Marvel seem to have very staunchly liberal political views.

All in all, a bad idea.