Saudi court tells girl aged 8 she cannot divorce husband who is 50 years her senior

[half guard]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1099447/Saudi-court-tells-girl-aged-EIGHT-divorce-husband-50-years-senior.html


A Saudi court has rejected a plea to divorce an eight-year-old girl married off by her father to a man who is 58, saying the case should wait until the girl reaches puberty.

The divorce plea was filed in August by the girl's divorced mother with a court at Unayzah, 135 miles north of Riyadh just after the marriage contract was signed by the father and the groom.

Lawyer Abdullar Jtili said:"The judge has dismissed the plea, filed by the mother, because she does not have the right to file such a case, and ordered that the plea should be filed by the girl herself when she reaches puberty."




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[Wigner's Friend]

This is especially fucked up because in Islamic culture, a marriage isn't real until it's consummated.

[Ryan Elliott]

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[Jason California]

Those wacky Arabs.

[Kirblar]

You know, as fucked up as the law is- the dad allowed this to happen in the first place. That's where the blame truly lies.

[half guard]

You know, as fucked up as the law is- the dad allowed this to happen in the first place. That's where the blame truly lies.

He didn't allow it to happen. He ORCHESTRATED it for money. The groom paid him an advance dowry of £5,000.

[Kirblar]

He didn't allow it to happen. He ORCHESTRATED it for money. The groom paid him an advance dowry of £5,000.
Oh, I didn't read the article. What a scumbag.

[Andrew]

So apparently outright pedophilia is tolerated over there?

Wonderful. :-?

[Ryan Elliott]

So apparently outright pedophilia is tolerated over there?

Wonderful. :-?


I kind of hope the "groom" and the "father" both go for a lovely ride in a car, and then explode.

[Ashwin Pande]

This is probably a one-off case from some backwater town there. It's fucked up... but it's gotta be an anomaly.

[half guard]

This is probably a one-off case from some backwater town there. It's fucked up... but it's gotta be an anomaly.

Actually, it's a rather large municipality with a population of 160,000.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Unaizah%2C_late_2007.jpg/690px-Unaizah%2C_late_2007.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/2vfsd2.jpg

[Garth]

He didn't allow it to happen. He ORCHESTRATED it for money. The groom paid him an advance dowry of £5,000.

In all fairness, she is really hot.

[Khrutch]

This is probably a one-off case from some backwater town there. It's fucked up... but it's gotta be an anomaly.

No. The average age is about 12 and there is no age limit as to how young a girl can be bought by a dowry, even a 1 year old (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371581,00.html).

Muhammud married a 9 year old (http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm).

[Steve Marshall]

This is especially fucked up because in Islamic culture, a marriage isn't real until it's consummated.

"They said that the father had set a verbal condition by which the marriage is not consummated for another 10 years, when the girl turns 18."


This is probably a one-off case from some backwater town there. It's fucked up... but it's gotta be an anomaly.

"In Yemen in April, another girl aged eight was granted a divorce after her unemployed father forced her to marry a man of 28."

[Brewtown Andy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k30MOebDSww

[Hock]

Yeah it's horrible that a eight year old girl is marrying some old dude. But I agree that it should be the girl herself that files for divorce and not the mother. The girl doesn't even know about it and it hasn't been consumated. As long as she's able to divorce the guy before the marriage is consumated and ideally before she actually goes and lives with him I don't see what the big deal is.

[leviathan]

This is probably a one-off case from some backwater town there. It's fucked up... but it's gotta be an anomaly.

It's pretty common...especially now. A lot of people don't really have the money to support their kids or themselves, so they just 'sell' off their daughters in the form of marriage to support themselves. And most of these girls are so young, they have no clue what's going on and just treat the marriage like a game.

It's a fucking tragedy, but that's the world we live in.

[RebootedCorpse]

Our allies.

[Ashwin Pande]

It's pretty common...especially now. A lot of people don't really have the money to support their kids or themselves, so they just 'sell' off their daughters in the form of marriage to support themselves. And most of these girls are so young, they have no clue what's going on and just treat the marriage like a game.

It's a fucking tragedy, but that's the world we live in.

This shit happens here too but it's usually in the backwater small towns and villages where the illiterate retards dwell and even then from what I read it's rare.

[JoeE]

Eight-year olds, dude.

[JoeE]

Although in the guy's defense, he was just following the example of the Prophet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Marriage_to_Muhammad

But at least Mohammed waited until she was nine to fuck her.

[Ashwin Pande]

Eight-year olds, dude.

Shut the fuck up Donnie!!

[RebootedCorpse]

Although in the guy's defense, he was just following the example of the Prophet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Marriage_to_Muhammad

But at least Mohammed waited until she was nine to fuck her.

A gentleman.
And as bad as Saudi Arabia is, Afghanistan is FAR worse. Women aren't even considered human in most of the rural areas.
Women were far better off under the Soviets.

[WillieLee]

A gentleman.
And as bad as Saudi Arabia is, Afghanistan is FAR worse. Women aren't even considered human in most of the rural areas.
Women were far better off under the Soviets.

Yeah, when the Soviets raped and tortured the Afghan women they at least recognized them as humans.

[Jason California]

He is going to regret this purchase if she grows up ugly.

[RickLM]

Bush: "We're concerned about your treatment of females."
Saudi King: "STFU!"
Bush: "Gotcha."

[RebootedCorpse]

Yeah, when the Soviets raped and tortured the Afghan women they at least recognized them as humans.

Women were allowed to go to school and even university without being whipped, to go out without a burqa without being beaten, to wear nail polish without having a finger cut off, to look a man in the eye without being stoned, to be able to drive a car without being executed.

[Kedd]

Bush: "We're concerned about your treatment of females."
Saudi King: "STFU!"
Bush: "Gotcha."

yup

[WillieLee]

Women were allowed to go to school and even university without being whipped, to go out without a burqa without being beaten, to wear nail polish without having a finger cut off, to look a man in the eye without being stoned, to be able to drive a car without being executed.

And when you're being raped, tortured and killed by men it's the little things that matter.

[RebootedCorpse]

And when you're being raped, tortured and killed by men it's the little things that matter.

What's your source for these allegations?
The post-Soviet brutality was far worse. Men were killing their wives and daughters rather than having them be raped by the incoming Mujahadeen as various factions, including the Taliban, fought for control.
Not saying the Soviets didn't do more than their share of evil, but really, compared to the era that has followed, it was a relative golden age.

[J. Wilson]

I guess Saudi Arabia is going to have a whole new "class" of immigrants applying to live there: pedophiles.

[WillieLee]

What's your source for these allegations?
The post-Soviet brutality was far worse. Men were killing their wives and daughters rather than having them be raped by the incoming Mujahadeen as various factions, including the Taliban, fought for control.
Not saying the Soviets didn't do more than their share of evil, but really, compared to the era that has followed, it was a relative golden age.

The Amnesty International and UN reports of the Soviet occupation.

[RebootedCorpse]

The Amnesty International and UN reports of the Soviet occupation.

Like this one:
Foreign-sponsored human rights disaster ignored by the world
From Amnesty International News Service.
29 November, 1995
The international community continues to ignore the human rights disaster in Afghanistan, and those governments which have flooded the country with arms and used the 16-year old conflict for their own political ends hold a grave responsibility, Amnesty International said today as it launched a major campaign.

"Governments that supported different factions and backed them with weapons have helped set the stage for today's catastrophic human rights situation," Amnesty International said. "For this reason, they must play a role in bringing those violations to an end."

In a report released today, the organization details the killings, torture including rape, hostage-taking, and "disappearances" which are continuing on a massive scale in Afghanistan. As well, the organization details how governments eagerly offered political support, supplied arms or facilitated weapons transfers to warring factions in a civil war that began after the Soviet invasion of the country in 1979.

The report names the former Soviet Union, the United States and its Western European allies, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran as countries primarily responsible for arming the perpetrators of the current human rights disaster in Afghanistan.

"The human costs of these arms transfers have been borne by millions of defenceless women, men and children who have taken no active part in the hostilities," Amnesty International said.

Military supplies have reportedly continued to enter Afghanistan from India, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Uzbekistan. Outside powers have maintained links with their favoured armed groups in Afghanistan in a bid to affect political developments in the region.

"In effect, they have facilitated a climate of lawlessness in the country in which human rights are treated with contempt," Amnesty International said.

The organization has made a special plea to these governments as well as to the governments of the United Sates, the European Union, and the successor states of the Soviet Union to show determination in establishing respect for human rights in Afghanistan.

"All these governments are in a position to effect change. They must act in a concerted manner to save Afghan civilians from mass killings, torture and rape, abduction and cruel punishments such as stoning and amputation," Amnesty International said. "It is now their responsibility to help bring this cycle of abuses to an end."

The organization said it is vital that the respect, protection and promotion of human rights is integral to any settlement of the 16-year-old conflict. As negotiations over a settlement continue the organization urged all sides to seize this opportunity to end the suffering of the Afghan people.

All warring factions carry out attacks against residential areas with utter disregard for the principles of international humanitarian law which govern armed conflict. Since April 1992 when Mujahideen groups seized power, over 25,000 people have been killed in Kabul alone in attacks by rival factions apparently aimed deliberately and arbitrarily against residential areas. Armed guards have continued to attack the homes of defenceless civilians in a rampage of looting, beating and killing unarmed people. Amnesty International has not identified a single case in which an armed guard of any faction has even been disciplined for such abuses.

Thousands of civilians have gone missing after armed political groups detained them. The vast majority of those missing are suspected of supporting a rival faction or associated with previous governments. Many are held in secret or known detention centres and brutally tortured, starved and, in the case of women and young boys and girls, raped or sexually assaulted.

One man arrested in Kabul by members of an armed faction supporting the government in 1994 told Amnesty International of his torture by interrogators working for the Ministry of State Security: "They put one of my testicles between a pair of pliers and crushed it... One day they hit me with a Kalashnikov rifle butt and my skull broke. Electric shocks continued to be given to my hands and feet. I was tortured there for two weeks every other night."

A young woman who lived in the Shahrara district of Kabul in early 1994 was subjected to frequent rape after she left her house to find some food. Two Mujahideen armed guards arrested her in the street and took her to their base in a house where 22 men raped her for three days. She was then allowed to go home where she found her three young children had died of hypothermia.

In much of the country, leaders of armed political groups act as Islamic judges and order punishments such as amputation, stoning and "executions" with no legal safeguards against their arbitrary decisions. Armed guards of the various factions also commit human rights abuses with impunity. All these armed groups have ignored the principles of humanitarian law which require them to safeguard the human rights of Afghan civilians.

Amnesty International said it opposes the transfer of military, security or police equipment when it believes such transfers contribute to human rights abuses. The human rights organization said the governments which extended political, military and material support for more than a decade to all sides in the civil war in pursuit of their own political interests, knew that their allies were committing gross and widespread human rights abuses. None of these arms supplying countries are known to have made sustained efforts to prevent their weapons from being used to perpetrate the abuses.

"If the international community cannot guarantee human rights for Afghanistan's citizens, it should not guarantee weapons and ammunition," said Amnesty International.

[WillieLee]

Like this one:
Foreign-sponsored human rights disaster ignored by the world
From Amnesty International News Service.
29 November, 1995


The Soviets weren't in Afghanistan in 1995.

[Jen Grunwald]

The Soviets weren't in Afghanistan in 1995.

I think that's his point.


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[Ashton]

can we really expect anything non-demeaning to women, modern and common sensical to come out of these Arab countries?

[RickLM]

can we really expect anything non-demeaning to women, modern and common sensical to come out of these Arab countries?


Business partnerships with Fortune 500 companies!

[WillieLee]

I think that's his point.


:rogue:

Which would be valid if I was suggesting that things are better now. But I'm not. Corpse was suggesting that the Soviet occupation was better because they had more freedoms.

But women were still subject to the same brutality. Having the ability to wear a skirt while you're being raped and murdered isn't much of a golden age.

[evilgenius]

Which would be valid if I was suggesting that things are better now. But I'm not. Corpse was suggesting that the Soviet occupation was better because they had more freedoms.

But women were still subject to the same brutality. Having the ability to wear a skirt while you're being raped and murdered isn't much of a golden age.

Well, it was more of a comparison in line with what happened then, and now, but... quite honestly, yeah, this country has been as far from the definition of being in a golden age for about as long back as anyone can remember.

[Ashton]

Business partnerships with Fortune 500 companies!

I think that about sums it up actually.