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nick maynard
12-17-2008, 04:04 PM
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-23599503122488_2033_110494518

MAK15
12-17-2008, 04:04 PM
is that a lavalamp on his back?

Kingsumo
12-17-2008, 04:05 PM
Why is cable beating up bat girl?

Ashwin Pande
12-17-2008, 04:06 PM
Batgirl's getting raped by a GI Joe action figure?

Buk Was Right
12-17-2008, 04:06 PM
Well that's solid.

I'm sure Occasional Superheroine was running out of things to write about...

Kingsumo
12-17-2008, 04:06 PM
Batgirl's getting raped by a GI Joe action figure?

Hm.. I like yours better.

woljed
12-17-2008, 04:07 PM
The colors aren't doing it for me. And the logo is kind of odd. She has cat eyes?

Kurt Russell Crowe
12-17-2008, 04:09 PM
dc continues to butcher what was once an awesome character.

Wigner's Friend
12-17-2008, 04:10 PM
That is kind of fucked up.

Captain Sensation
12-17-2008, 04:10 PM
I think Cable is gonna sexually assault batgirl

Buk Was Right
12-17-2008, 04:11 PM
Needs more tentacles.

Patch
12-17-2008, 04:15 PM
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-23599503122488_2033_110494518

Is this the real, actual cover?

nick maynard
12-17-2008, 04:32 PM
Is this the real, actual cover?
i've seen it just like this on all the websites.

Joe Henderson
12-17-2008, 04:38 PM
How long's it gonna be until someone photoshops it to say 'Father IN daughter!'?

Joe Kalicki
12-17-2008, 04:45 PM
The only thing worng with that cover in that context is the perverts looking at it.

For shame, all of you.

NickT
12-17-2008, 04:46 PM
is that a lavalamp on his back?
I hope so.

half guard
12-17-2008, 04:48 PM
The art is atrocious. The lost count of the anatomical mistakes on the rapist alone, not to mention the rest of the picture.

Fake Pat
12-17-2008, 04:57 PM
I think it sucks.

Awful art.

Kedd
12-17-2008, 05:02 PM
Why is cable beating up bat girl?

correct

c.rob
12-17-2008, 05:03 PM
why isn't her costume more ripped up?

Ashwin Pande
12-17-2008, 05:04 PM
I like how the pockets on his arm (is it 1995 again?) seem to be tattooed on there.

Kingsumo
12-17-2008, 05:05 PM
I like how the pockets on his arm (is it 1995 again?) seem to be tattooed on there.

Dude, pockets are totally the new barbwire or tribal band

Kedd
12-17-2008, 05:06 PM
I like how the pockets on his arm (is it 1995 again?) seem to be tattooed on there.

Arm pockets always = major win

Ashwin Pande
12-17-2008, 05:12 PM
I don't get why DC still puts copy text on their covers. Covers don't need the text. Well, I suppose this one does because it explains the context otherwise it'd just look like Batgirl was getting raped by some random dude, not specifically by her father.

But comic covers should explain the situation without some goofy looking text explaining it. They should stop doing that.

c.rob
12-17-2008, 05:17 PM
I don't get why DC still puts copy text on their covers. Covers don't need the text. Well, I suppose this one does because it explains the context otherwise it'd just look like Batgirl was getting raped by some random dude, not specifically by her father.

But comic covers should explain the situation without some goofy looking text explaining it. They should stop doing that.

do you dislike word balloons on the cover too?

nick maynard
12-17-2008, 05:18 PM
I don't get why DC still puts copy text on their covers. Covers don't need the text. Well, I suppose this one does because it explains the context otherwise it'd just look like Batgirl was getting raped by some random dude, not specifically by her father.

But comic covers should explain the situation without some goofy looking text explaining it. They should stop doing that.
there are good ways and bad ways to do it. this isn't the best.

Ashwin Pande
12-17-2008, 05:20 PM
do you dislike word balloons on the cover too?

Depends on how it's done. Sometimes it works out great. But goofy text like "Father vs. Daughter!!!!!" is unnecessary. When a cover's as badly composed as this I suppose it's necessary just to explain that Batgirl's not getting raped but they could have used another shot, another way of doing it that wouldn't necessitate having to explain it like that.

Whip
12-17-2008, 05:21 PM
is that a lavalamp on his back?

Looks like a vibrator...

chess
12-17-2008, 05:23 PM
I'm thinking Spinal Tap's "Smell the Glove" album controversy.

half guard
12-17-2008, 05:23 PM
Instead of deltoid muscles on the rapist's left shoulder, it appears that he has the hideous deformity of having an ass for a shoulder.

Who is the artist that butchered this mess?

Magnum V.I.
12-17-2008, 05:24 PM
Daddy? DADDY!

Ashwin Pande
12-17-2008, 05:26 PM
there are good ways and bad ways to do it. this isn't the best.

Yes. I'm irritated at DC specifically because it seems that whoever's in their design department has decided to stick with that one font for every cover. It's always the same font and always some goofy phrase that ends up making it look idiotic. It's terrible cover design.

Masculine Todd
12-17-2008, 05:26 PM
There's only one thing funnier than rape: faux-rape.

nick maynard
12-17-2008, 05:29 PM
Yes. I'm irritated at DC specifically because it seems that whoever's in their design department has decided to stick with that one font for every cover. It's always the same font and always some goofy phrase that ends up making it look idiotic. It's terrible cover design.
yeah, definitely. marvel gets a lot of shit for how their covers don't always match the interiors. but the thing is, nearly every cover for every marvel book is worth hanging on my wall.

id much rather have beautiful covers that don't always match the interiors than crappy covers that do.

sort of a tangent, i know, but i wanted to say it.

Ashwin Pande
12-17-2008, 05:34 PM
yeah, definitely. marvel gets a lot of shit for how their covers don't always match the interiors. but the thing is, nearly every cover for every marvel book is worth hanging on my wall.

id much rather have beautiful covers that don't always match the interiors than crappy covers that do.

sort of a tangent, i know, but i wanted to say it.

Yeah. While my problem with Marvel's covers is that they have the characters simply posing on their covers too much, the artwork, design and composition of their covers on average are still far superior than DC's covers. It's not just about the talent of the artists, DC has amazing artists too but their cover designs on their b and c level books are simply terrible.

Andreas
12-17-2008, 05:39 PM
At least, it doesn't say "Emo."

Andreas

Ashwin Pande
12-17-2008, 05:41 PM
At least, it doesn't say "Emo."

Andreas

Yeah! That's exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about!

ZombieSpeedball
12-17-2008, 05:47 PM
There's only one thing funnier than rape: faux-rape.

Is that anything like bro rape?

ZombieSpeedball
12-17-2008, 05:51 PM
At least, it doesn't say "Emo."

Andreas

I've been, meaning to tell you that you put commas in weird places. :D

Lyfeforce
12-17-2008, 05:56 PM
the hell is that on his back? one big long nipple?

Garth
12-17-2008, 05:58 PM
dc continues to butcher what was once an awesome character.

Yeah when they first debuted her, it was a breath of fresh air. So great.

Patch
12-17-2008, 06:08 PM
Is this the real, actual cover?


i've seen it just like this on all the websites.


The only thing wrong with that cover in that context is the perverts looking at it.


Well, don't think anyone's being a pervert as much as reaching. It's not a rape. It's an assault, but so are thousands of other covers. No big deal there.


The art is atrocious. The lost count of the anatomical mistakes on the rapist alone, not to mention the rest of the picture.


I think it sucks.

Awful art.
This is my beef. Maybe I shouldn't say anything but that art's not good enough. The artist needs to hone his craft and a cover isn't the place to do that. You even have to call into question the editor's judgment if he championed this cover. An editor needs to be aware of capable talent available in the industry.

There are just too many very talented artists who could have handled this better.

PimpSlapStick!
12-17-2008, 06:23 PM
Looks like he got a dildo on his back, poor Batgirl the ruinning of a awesome character

jamestolliver
12-17-2008, 06:24 PM
is that a lavalamp on his back?

:lol: I hate you.

greg donovan
12-17-2008, 06:32 PM
needs more pouches and pockets.

Thudpucker
12-17-2008, 06:37 PM
Yep, looks like 90's Liefeld. I guess there's a market for that but it isn't me.

Andreas
12-17-2008, 06:41 PM
I've been, meaning to tell you that you put commas in weird places. :D

:surrend: I'll use more semicolons in the future.

Andreas

c.rob
12-17-2008, 09:02 PM
maybe dc needs a third batgirl?

why not? there were 3 Robins.

joeAR
12-17-2008, 09:15 PM
is that a lavalamp on his back?


I have no idea what else it could be.

TheKraken
12-17-2008, 09:35 PM
If not for the obvious logos and her costume, I'd assume that was an Avatar book.

Donal DeLay
12-17-2008, 09:47 PM
The art is atrocious. The lost count of the anatomical mistakes on the rapist alone, not to mention the rest of the picture.


Well, don't think anyone's being a pervert as much as reaching. It's not a rape. It's an assault, but so are thousands of other covers. No big deal there.




This is my beef. Maybe I shouldn't say anything but that art's not good enough. The artist needs to hone his craft and a cover isn't the place to do that. You even have to call into question the editor's judgment if he championed this cover. An editor needs to be aware of capable talent available in the industry.

There are just too many very talented artists who could have handled this better.

I agree with these two cats.

Whomever drew this needs to work on form, anatomy, perspective, and fluidity.

Whomever colored it needs to focus on lighting. The shadows/textures aren't using the same main lightsource as the figures. (If we're basing lighting on the deep black shadows the artist drew on the figures.)

nick maynard
12-17-2008, 11:09 PM
Well, don't think anyone's being a pervert as much as reaching. It's not a rape. It's an assault, but so are thousands of other covers. No big deal there.
imagine putting your SHIN on someone's shoulder, and the foot of your other leg next to their head. where is your crotch, in relation to their face?

it's not really reaching. it's an extremely sexual cover, even when ignoring the father vs daughter text. that just makes it a little crazier.

A.Huerta
12-17-2008, 11:18 PM
Its really hard submitting work to DC.

They need to make it a bit more accessible.

leviathan
12-18-2008, 02:28 AM
The coloring is horrible on that cover.

Oh, and the sexual connotations are very creepy. I think the editor and artist both really need to look through some basic anatomy books and realise that this does come very, very close to teabagging...not a simple assault.

nick maynard
12-18-2008, 05:17 AM
The coloring is horrible on that cover.

Oh, and the sexual connotations are very creepy. I think the editor and artist both really need to look through some basic anatomy books and realise that this does come very, very close to teabagging...not a simple assault.
yeah, if the anatomy of that was correct, his junk would be right on her face.

nealbo400
12-18-2008, 06:57 AM
I agree with Donal and Patch. The art is way off, across the board. The color is flat. If you desaturate this you get a gray mess, little to no contrast. Blah.

I saw this in the store yesterday. Not a Batgirl reader, so I've never really paid attention to it, but that logo drives me nuts. There's a tangent right where the wing touches the ear of the bat. Why??? It's the logo! C'mon!!! Some attention to detail would be nice.

Patch
12-18-2008, 07:18 AM
it's an extremely sexual cover

Edited: because I need to behave.

Devil's Karma
12-18-2008, 07:37 AM
When I see stuff like this, it drives me crazy! I'm only speaking for me as someone who actually studied art, but when I see art work in comics that show a lack of direction or study (I will reconize those who where not "schooled" but really studied the comic artists - it shows) I feel so insulted. I appreciate that each drawing an artist gets better but maybe not cover ready...I also blame the art director on this for allowing it.

Garth
12-18-2008, 08:11 AM
Edited: because I need to behave.

Now I really want to know what was said.

Masculine Todd
12-18-2008, 08:35 AM
This is all much ado about nothing.

Oh, and the artist is Andy Clark (sp?). He's a capable inker who's worked with Leonard Kirk on James Robinson's OYL Batman run, but his pencils leave much to be desired.

Donal DeLay
12-18-2008, 10:31 AM
Now I really want to know what was said.

I'm kinda curious myself, but can't blame the brother. Last time he got into a debate on comcs and art the shit ended up on LITG for no other reason than to embarass a creator.

Gregory
12-18-2008, 10:34 AM
I love the logo.

KillingJ
12-18-2008, 11:13 AM
Man, worst of Andy Clarke's art thus far, looks like he very much rushed it.

KillingJ
12-18-2008, 11:16 AM
Andy Clarke's a good artist, i really don't agree with Patrick about him being an untalented artist, especially if you've seen his older and newer work.

Patch
12-18-2008, 11:59 AM
Andy Clarke's a good artist, i really don't agree with Patrick about him being an untalented artist, especially if you've seen his older and newer work.

Your assumption there. I did not say he was untalented.

He has talent. He just needs to hone it.
Same thing when I started and I try to hone my work still.

I've made mistakes on covers and I've had other pros call me on stuff.
Andy'll live.