TERMINATOR: SALVATION trailer...

[that bastard]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/

That certainly does look pretty damned cool.

I was always more interested in the 'flashback/forward' (flashBACK for Kyle Reese, flashFOWARD for everyone else) scenes in THE TERMINATOR then I was the 'present/past' (present for everyone else, past for Kyle Reese) scenes.

T2 was fun and, of course, groundbreaking (at the time, anyway). I wrote a treatment for a (at the time) T3 script that had them finding the T100's CPU (a small chip encased in a carbon steel shell) which was blown out of his head right before he was dropped into the smelter (the material his body was made of actually severed as it's 'hard-drive'. Info was actually stored in the liquid metal itself which is why, when he was dropped into the smelting pit, he accessed all of the previous forms he had assumed: his body was attempting to 'reboot' but without the CPU, it failed and he was shut down and then, of course, melted down.

The resulting alloy (the T1000 material merged with the steel in the smelter) was refined and, eventually, developed into a super-metal used for the T-800 endoskeletons and the CPU was reverse-engineered etc. etc. I thought it was a pretty good idea at the time.

So, anyway, I never actually saw T3 which I have heard varying opinions on. As I understand it, this movie disregards that one entirely?

[that bastard]

Bump

[Nick_Ardill]

Looks good. I'll definitely be seeing it despite being done by McG. And as for T3... well it wasn't terrible but it certainly wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination.

[Blane]

Cool. The kid from Huff is in it.

[Brandon Reynolds]

Cool beans.

[Ravengregory]

so fucking good...can't wait

[noble]

Holy shit that looks awesome!

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/

That certainly does look pretty damned cool.

I was always more interested in the 'flashback/forward' (flashBACK for Kyle Reese, flashFOWARD for everyone else) scenes in THE TERMINATOR then I was the 'present/past' (present for everyone else, past for Kyle Reese) scenes.

T2 was fun and, of course, groundbreaking (at the time, anyway). I wrote a treatment for a (at the time) T3 script that had them finding the T100's CPU (a small chip encased in a carbon steel shell) which was blown out of his head right before he was dropped into the smelter (the material his body was made of actually severed as it's 'hard-drive'. Info was actually stored in the liquid metal itself which is why, when he was dropped into the smelting pit, he accessed all of the previous forms he had assumed: his body was attempting to 'reboot' but without the CPU, it failed and he was shut down and then, of course, melted down.

The resulting alloy (the T1000 material merged with the steel in the smelter) was refined and, eventually, developed into a super-metal used for the T-800 endoskeletons and the CPU was reverse-engineered etc. etc. I thought it was a pretty good idea at the time.

So, anyway, I never actually saw T3 which I have heard varying opinions on. As I understand it, this movie disregards that one entirely?

No, it doesn't. It's the same writers, plus Jonathan Nolan and the ending of T3 leads into this one. But I will agree with the haters and say that it was a crap film. Might as well have been a parody of T2 with its ballsy ending being the only redeeming quality.

I have high hopes for this one though.

[Cactusakic]

I had very little interest in this film to begin with and that trailer hasn't done anything to change my mind.

The very last shot was pretty cool, but beyond that it looks like the entire film is going to be a series of explosions interspersed with cliche, macho dialogue. Nothing we haven't seen 100 times before.

I'm sure I'll watch the film eventually, but unless it gets stellar reviews, I'll be waiting for DVD/download.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

Surprisingly that last shot was my least favorite. Awesome trailer, though. Anton Yelchin is going to have a sick year. Both Star Trek AND Terminator? How many legendary characters is he going to play by the time he retires from acting? And from what little we see in the trailer he seems to play an awesome Reese, including the voice.

Wow.

[noble]

My only question is with the Sarah connor Chronicles running now that kind of says they skipped over the events of T3, does this take off from the tv show?

Because in the trailer john says you killed my father and my mother to the terminator.

In T3 she died of cancer. So I'm thinking T3 did indeed get wiped out and they are following the new timeline from the TV show. (this is backed up by John stating that this wasn't the future my mother warned me about).

[that bastard]

For some reason completely unknown to me, I don't own these movies on DVD.

I really should, shouldn't I?

I dig McG. I'm an unapologetic fan of the CHARLIE'S ANGELS movies. Love 'em. I think they're a ton of fun. I'm curious to see what he does with this.

[noble]

For some reason completely unknown to me, I don't own these movies on DVD.

I really should, shouldn't I?

I dig McG. I'm an unapologetic fan of the CHARLIE'S ANGELS movies. Love 'em. I think they're a ton of fun. I'm curious to see what he does with this.

yeah you need 1 and 2 at the very least.

And if you like MCg check out Supernatural if you don't already.

One of my favorite shows on TV currently, and a big reason I'm really hyped to see this movie.

[CougarTrace]

the trailer looks great.

[NeverWanderer]

My only question is with the Sarah connor Chronicles running now that kind of says they skipped over the events of T3, does this take off from the tv show?

Because in the trailer john says you killed my father and my mother to the terminator.

In T3 she died of cancer. So I'm thinking T3 did indeed get wiped out and they are following the new timeline from the TV show. (this is backed up by John stating that this wasn't the future my mother warned me about).

Actually, he says "You tried to kill my mother, you killed my father..." I thought I heard it wrong the first time too.

I have since listened to it many more times, just to make sure. :D

This trailer kicked my shit in. I'm so stoked.

[joeAR]

That trailer kicked my ass.

[arthurloewenkamp]

Yeah, that was awesome.

[Mike]

Is that supposed to be the Arnold Terminator he's talking to about his mother, father, etc? Because it looks nothing like Arnold at all.

[A.Huerta]

Is that supposed to be the Arnold Terminator he's talking to about his mother, father, etc? Because it looks nothing like Arnold at all.

Hes talking about Terminators in general. Not Arnold specifically.

[Mike]

Hes talking about Terminators in general. Not Arnold specifically.

Oh, ok. Well that conversation is kind of silly, then.

[RegularJoe]

did i see the asian/australian girl from the show in there?

[WinterRose]

did i see the asian/australian girl from the show in there?

I just checked. Although it isn't listed on Stephanie Jacobson's IMDB page, she does very much appear in this trailer at 1:30. For those of you playing at home, Stephanie Jacobson plays "Jesse" in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles in Season 2. She was also Kendra 'Razor' Shaw in Battlestar Galactica "Razor".

[ClintP]

Looks bad ass. I wonder when Sarah bites it...

[noble]

Looks bad ass. I wonder when Sarah bites it...

Depends on which timeline they are following.

According to early terminator lore she died sometime after the war, t3 has her already dead of cancer, and the tv show is hazy(might follow the early terminator dead after the war, but who knows at this point).

Speaking of the show, I've gotten so used to that Sarah, that seeing Linda Hamilton play her in early Terminator movies seems odd and out of place to me now.

Weird.

[WinterRose]

Update... Me and a friend are looking over this a bit more closely. The person I identified as Stephanie Jacobson may in fact be the actress 'Moon Bloodgood'. And not Razor after all. However it looks a hell of a lot like Stephanie Jacobson. Maybe she's playing Jacobson's character due to scheduling conflicts. THough Moon's character is listed as Blair Williams, not 'Jesse'.

Noted on the IMDB page for the movie, Miss Pregnant Chick we're seeing there is the Kate Brewster character from T3: Judgement Day. This time played by Bryce Dallas Howard, since Claire Danes turned down the role a second time.

[NeverWanderer]

I think the point of the nonexistent fever dream followed by 5 minutes of good film called Terminator 3 *and* Terminator Salvation are running on the assumption that they really did change the future in T2.

They couldn't stop the war, but they changed the circumstances leading to it, which means everything that comes now is completely unpredictable (which is, I think, what John's narration is about in the trailer).

For instance, what if Sarah stayed alive until after the war started because she was making sure her son made it that far, but, after T2, Sarah let herself relax, smoked more let herself go, and succumbed to cancer.

If that is the case, I think it's the first time a time-travel story has ever taken that kind of turn, which I think it kind of awesome.

[Doc Randy]

I have said it before, but I still think T3 is a good film. I genuinely don't understand the hate. In fact, I think T3 > T2.

[joeAR]

I have said it before, but I still think T3 is a good film. I genuinely don't understand the hate. In fact, I think T3 > T2.


I agree with you that it's a good film but I love T2.

[NeverWanderer]

I have said it before, but I still think T3 is a good film. I genuinely don't understand the hate. In fact, I think T3 > T2.

Wow... really? Really??

I mean, that's your opinion, you're welcome to it, and I hope it makes you happy, really...

But, really?? :lol:

[WinterRose]

The only problem here is that the story seems to have several distinct futures now. The one that Cameron and Derek Reese come from in the show. The one Kyle Reese and the T-1000 came from in the first two movies. The one that the T-X came from in T3: Judgement Day. And the one that Jesse came from in the show.

Now we're getting another variant future that neither the T-X or any of the previous terminators came from in the Salvation movies that seems to have grown out of the plot of T3, since we have Kate Brewster in it. Although in the show, the events of T3 were completely pre-empted by Cameron removing them from that timeline beforehand. This is starting to become needlessly complicated.

And that's saying something for me to say that. I love a good tight time travel story. And of course I'm gonna go see this. But with the show happening, they're missing a huge opportunity to tie those plots together. I can see why, since the show's still running and being written. Therefore the show could go in a direction that nullifies what's been written for a far more expensive movie franchise. They could issue a writer's bible that says what they can and can't do for the show to keep it consistent, but that kind of hinders the direction the show's going in.

One HOPES that both the new movies and the show will be able to coexist. Even though the events of each will seem to deny the other's existence at all. It seems that as far as the terminator goes, you'll be able to pick and choose which version of future events you'll be able to follow. "I'll have my apocalypse with Summer Glau, hold the Bale please."

[NeverWanderer]

The only problem here is that the story seems to have several distinct futures now. The one that Cameron and Derek Reese come from in the show. The one Kyle Reese and the T-1000 came from in the first two movies. The one that the T-X came from in T3: Judgement Day. And the one that Jesse came from in the show.

Now we're getting another variant future that neither the T-X or any of the previous terminators came from in the Salvation movies that seems to have grown out of the plot of T3, since we have Kate Brewster in it. Although in the show, the events of T3 were completely pre-empted by Cameron removing them from that timeline beforehand. This is starting to become needlessly complicated.

And that's saying something for me to say that. I love a good tight time travel story. And of course I'm gonna go see this. But with the show happening, they're missing a huge opportunity to tie those plots together. I can see why, since the show's still running and being written. Therefore the show could go in a direction that nullifies what's been written for a far more expensive movie franchise. They could issue a writer's bible that says what they can and can't do for the show to keep it consistent, but that kind of hinders the direction the show's going in.

One HOPES that both the new movies and the show will be able to coexist. Even though the events of each will seem to deny the other's existence at all. It seems that as far as the terminator goes, you'll be able to pick and choose which version of future events you'll be able to follow. "I'll have my apocalypse with Summer Glau, hold the Bale please."

I don't think they're likely to combine the timelines of the movies and the show. Which says nothing about the quality of either.

It's just that they are two different formats with distinct features, as you've noted. If anything, connecting the new movie to the TV series would put a sudden cap on the potential of the series, because it would eliminate any sense of jeopardy or unexpected outcomes.

Better that the movies stick to the movies and the show sticks to the show.

[Jason California]

The only problem here is that the story seems to have several distinct futures now. The one that Cameron and Derek Reese come from in the show. The one Kyle Reese and the T-1000 came from in the first two movies. The one that the T-X came from in T3: Judgement Day. And the one that Jesse came from in the show.

Now we're getting another variant future that neither the T-X or any of the previous terminators came from in the Salvation movies that seems to have grown out of the plot of T3, since we have Kate Brewster in it. Although in the show, the events of T3 were completely pre-empted by Cameron removing them from that timeline beforehand. This is starting to become needlessly complicated.

And that's saying something for me to say that. I love a good tight time travel story. And of course I'm gonna go see this. But with the show happening, they're missing a huge opportunity to tie those plots together. I can see why, since the show's still running and being written. Therefore the show could go in a direction that nullifies what's been written for a far more expensive movie franchise. They could issue a writer's bible that says what they can and can't do for the show to keep it consistent, but that kind of hinders the direction the show's going in.

One HOPES that both the new movies and the show will be able to coexist. Even though the events of each will seem to deny the other's existence at all. It seems that as far as the terminator goes, you'll be able to pick and choose which version of future events you'll be able to follow. "I'll have my apocalypse with Summer Glau, hold the Bale please."


We must have a cross time adventure where the multiple timeline version of Skynet battle each other for dominance!

[noble]

I still like the timeline from the Dark horse comics.

In the end Skynet is defeated early, and never gets a chance to send back more terminators(outside of the first one that went after Sarah), because Sarah gives birth to a girl.

And she's a bit meaner and more tenacious than John and takes out Skynet a lot quicker.

Always thought that was an interesting twist.

Of course no more movies/spin offs with that scenario, so I can see why it was dropped(keep in mind this was pre T2 if I remember correctly)

[Doc Randy]

We must have a cross time adventure where the multiple timeline version of Skynet battle each other for dominance!

That may be what is going on in the show right now.

[Jason California]

That may be what is going on in the show right now.


Really? I may have to check it out.

[ClintP]

Really? I may have to check it out.

yeah, the t-1000 garbage singer clearly has some agenda and how/why Cameron came into existence suggests there is some variances in their factions.

[Jason California]

yeah, the t-1000 garbage singer clearly has some agenda and how/why Cameron came into existence suggests there is some variances in their factions.


I have no idea who any of those characters are right now.

[ClintP]

I have no idea who any of those characters are right now.


T-1000
http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/shirley_m_black_dress.jpg

Cameron
http://www.sexygirlsdepot.com/wp-content/assets/2008/03/summer-glau-7.png

[Busman]

Feels more like Reign of Fire than The Dark Knight to me.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

I have said it before, but I still think T3 is a good film. I genuinely don't understand the hate. In fact, I think T3 > T2.

Not to harp on 3, but you seriously don't understand the hate? You can honestly say that the filmmaking was better in T3 than T2? That T3 was more emotional and had more heart that T2? Arnold buying candy and food at the gas station and the scene at the gay bar where he smashes the glasses afterwards didn't make you cringe in the slightest?

Action scenes were great, I'll admit, but I find the statement pretty hard to believe...

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

Feels more like Reign of Fire than The Dark Knight to me.

Definitely had a Reign of Fire feel with him being the leader. The world had a kind of Mad Max feel which was fucking awesome.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

The only problem here is that the story seems to have several distinct futures now. The one that Cameron and Derek Reese come from in the show. The one Kyle Reese and the T-1000 came from in the first two movies. The one that the T-X came from in T3: Judgement Day. And the one that Jesse came from in the show.

Now we're getting another variant future that neither the T-X or any of the previous terminators came from in the Salvation movies that seems to have grown out of the plot of T3, since we have Kate Brewster in it. Although in the show, the events of T3 were completely pre-empted by Cameron removing them from that timeline beforehand. This is starting to become needlessly complicated.

And that's saying something for me to say that. I love a good tight time travel story. And of course I'm gonna go see this. But with the show happening, they're missing a huge opportunity to tie those plots together. I can see why, since the show's still running and being written. Therefore the show could go in a direction that nullifies what's been written for a far more expensive movie franchise. They could issue a writer's bible that says what they can and can't do for the show to keep it consistent, but that kind of hinders the direction the show's going in.

One HOPES that both the new movies and the show will be able to coexist. Even though the events of each will seem to deny the other's existence at all. It seems that as far as the terminator goes, you'll be able to pick and choose which version of future events you'll be able to follow. "I'll have my apocalypse with Summer Glau, hold the Bale please."

I can almost guarantee you the show and the movie will not coexist. Producers have said as much. Considering the show disregards T3 and Salvation is an extension of the events of T3, I don't know how this is even debatable.

[Dan-C]

I just read the supposed twist ending for the movie. If its true, its one of those cool but lame things, but I'm still kinda interested things. If its false, then I don't care.

[NeverWanderer]

I just read the supposed twist ending for the movie. If its true, its one of those cool but lame things, but I'm still kinda interested things. If its false, then I don't care.

The twist ending is why I want to see this so bad. I kinda wish I'd seen this trailer before reading about it, because this woulda done the job. :)

[Jason California]

Where can I find info on the twist ending?

[schizorabbit]

Not to harp on 3, but you seriously don't understand the hate? You can honestly say that the filmmaking was better in T3 than T2? That T3 was more emotional and had more heart that T2? Arnold buying candy and food at the gas station and the scene at the gay bar where he smashes the glasses afterwards didn't make you cringe in the slightest?

Action scenes were great, I'll admit, but I find the statement pretty hard to believe...


Gay bar?

You got a strange mind, fellah.

:mistrust:

[NeverWanderer]

Where can I find info on the twist ending?

I know that Geeks of Doom had the info. I think they got it from another site, but I dunno which one.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

Gay bar?

You got a strange mind, fellah.

:mistrust:

My bad. Haven't seen the flick in years.

Correction: Male strip club. There. Does that make T3 any better? No.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

According to McG, that twist ending was a fake that they put out there themselves.

[schizorabbit]

My bad. Haven't seen the flick in years.

Correction: Male strip club. There. Does that make T3 any better? No.

:lol:

[NeverWanderer]

According to McG, that twist ending was a fake that they put out there themselves.

Good! I'm happier not knowing!


(but, goddammit, that would have been an awesome fuckin' left-fielder of an ending)

[schizorabbit]

Good! I'm happier not knowing!


(but, goddammit, that would have been an awesome fuckin' left-fielder of an ending)

I kind of liked it myself. SPOILER WARNING!!!!
The savior of humankind actually a semi-terminator wearing the skin of John Conner. Kind of like Kagemusha...with ROBOTS!!!!

[NeverWanderer]

I kind of liked it myself. The savior of humankind actually a semi-terminator wearing the skin of John Conner. Kind of like Kagemusha...with ROBOTS!!!!


It would have been perfect, because I always thought the guy who played John Conner at the beginning of T2 sorta looked like an older Christian Bale, but moved very stiffly... like a robot. :D

(Yes, I'm fucking hiding it, because I'm paranoid, and think McG could possibly be pulling a double-play by making us THINK the ending is fake when it's actually real.)

[schizorabbit]

It would have been perfect, because I always thought the guy who played John Conner at the beginning of T2 sorta looked like an older Christian Bale, but moved very stiffly... like a robot. :D

(Yes, I'm fucking hiding it, because I'm paranoid, and think McG could possibly be pulling a double-play by making us THINK the ending is fake when it's actually real.)

Ahhhh, I'll edit to hide it myself!!! :thumb:

[NeverWanderer]

Ahhhh, I'll edit to hide it myself!!! :thumb:

Good man! :thumb:

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

Good man! :thumb:

It is true, though. While I don't know about the skin thing, how fucking ballsy would it be to kill off John Conner in this film? And especially after signing Bale for 3 movies, it'd be a total blindside. It's already established that this is an alternate future and not the one from T1 and T2, so anything can really happen. It's going to be suspenseful seeing Salvation in theaters for that reason.

[NeverWanderer]

It is true, though. While I don't know about the skin thing, how fucking ballsy would it be to kill off John Conner in this film? And especially after signing Bale for 3 movies, it'd be a total blindside. It's already established that this is an alternate future and not the one from T1 and T2, so anything can really happen. It's going to be suspenseful seeing Salvation in theaters for that reason.

See, that's why I wish it would happen.

They kill him, put another Terminator in his skin (or artificially create one... whatever), and for the next few movies, Bale gets to play a Terminator playing John Connor. Fuck, I actually thought that would be the reason WHY Bale would sign on to do the FOURTH Terminator sequel at all. I mean, this is a dude who has always made interesting, intelligent choices. There must be something there to make him believe this would be better than the third movie.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

See, that's why I wish it would happen.

They kill him, put another Terminator in his skin (or artificially create one... whatever), and for the next few movies, Bale gets to play a Terminator playing John Connor. Fuck, I actually thought that would be the reason WHY Bale would sign on to do the FOURTH Terminator sequel at all. I mean, this is a dude who has always made interesting, intelligent choices. There must be something there to make him believe this would be better than the third movie.

I'm sure Jonathan Nolan getting to write the final script was a huge incentive. Something tells me Bale had something to do with that choice.

[NeverWanderer]

I'm sure Jonathan Nolan getting to write the final script was a huge incentive. Something tells me Bale had something to do with that choice.

REally! :shock: I didn't know that.

Excitement just ratcheted up a notch.

[PimpSlapStick!]

It actually looks good, maybe McG has talent after all

[NeverWanderer]

I went to the website and read a few of the blog entries... and I continue to feel increasingly good about this movie.


Prometheus

We are half way through filming. Our teaser is in theaters and playing
before The Dark Knight.

You will see that this is a movie inspired by the first films, but is a true new beginning in that it takes place in the future.

All three Terminator films took place present day, with Terminators
traveling back in time to attack. This picture takes place after Judgment
Day. It happened. Everything is gone. The story of the movie is the "brink
moment" Reese always talked about.

From a technical perspective, we have set out to achieve a completely new
visual style that hasn't been seen before. We're shooting the film on color
stock but are using a method inspired by the Oz process which was developed
at Technicolor by Mike Zacharia and Bob Olson. Basically we are adding three
times as much silver. It creates a surreal texture that is in keeping with
the notion of the entire picture - feeling detached from the world we know
today.

Every morning and every night Christian and I work on the story. Sam's
contribution has been excellent. We are committed to putting the story and
character first and then supplementing that with action and visual effects.
It is our intention to make a film on a large scale with the nuance and
subtext of a high quality independent picture.

The richness of the story is really coming out now. It's a Prometheus tale
really, how creating life creates real responsibility - and if left
unchecked, can be our undoing.

The entire crew takes the making of this film very seriously. I made a point
of hiring key personnel that are passionate about getting this right.
Everyone is well versed in the mythology.

Comicon is this weekend. I look forward to sharing the film with the
passionate.



McG

Posted on July 21, 2008 8:00 AM | Permalink


The Future So Far...

We wrapped principal photography. Now we're heavy into post. I've already shown early cuts to Christian and Sam. They seem pleased with where the film is headed. Our focus is on story and character, but it's fun diving into the world of visual effects.

It feels like the responsibility of any Terminator film to reinvent the wheel of effects with every outing. The first movie was a stunning achievement in animatronics and practical effects from Stan Winston. The second film brought us liquid metal, which was a true revolution in the effects world. Robert Patrick's (T-1000) head coming apart and putting itself back together again looks as good today as ever.

Charlie Gibson is aware of his responsibility as the VFX supervisor and second unit director of this film. He works with ILM and Asylum every day and makes revisions to the finest detail. We want the patina of the machines to be dirty and heavy and perfectly realistic - that's why we built so much practically with Stan Winston. But at some point the effects kick in and like any Terminator fan, Charlie wants his mind blown. There's one sequence in particular where we're trying to achieve something that's never been done before. I don't want to talk about it because we haven't been successful yet...

But we're working on it.

It's very interesting working with Conrad Buff every day. First of all he was the editor on Terminator 2 so it's very comforting having his steady hand at the Avid. Long before we ever began we talked about what excited us about making this film. It was the notion of the world after judgment day. We set out to create a world that honored the Terminator mythology but was its own new beginning. Every day I learn from Conrad as he makes the elegant choices of a disciplined filmmaker. It feels great to have his confidence in the movie. I take his opinion very seriously, he provides a daily litmus test for what is worthy of a Terminator film.

Most importantly, Christian and Sam bring power to the rolls of John Connor and Marcus Wright. This is a story of two destinies colliding. Connor is part of a resistance comprised of the ethnicities that make up the globe. This film is so much more that just Los Angeles. It reflects the global crisis of man, all of man versus machine.

McG

Posted on October 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Permalink

[glk]

Very Mad Max. Cool.

[BronxRonin]

Those robotmotorcycles look insane!

[NeverWanderer]

So, my obsessiveness has uncovered an interesting rumor.

For the movie's music, McG would like to get a collaboration between Gustavo Santaolalla (Brokeback Mountain, Babel) and Thom Yorke (Radiohead).

Intriiiiiguing.

[Brandon Reynolds]

You know that twist ending they said wasn't going to be the ending?

Well, take a look at the Terminator film busts they are selling through DC:

http://www.newsarama.com/preview_images/dcnew/march2009/10/t4group-cv.jpg

And the name of the mystery bust? T-RIP. Makes one curious.

[NeverWanderer]

You know that twist ending they said wasn't going to be the ending?

Well, take a look at the Terminator film busts they are selling through DC:

http://www.newsarama.com/preview_images/dcnew/march2009/10/t4group-cv.jpg

And the name of the mystery bust? T-RIP. Makes one curious.

Hmmmm!

[Ryan Elliott]

Hmmmm!


Man, that would be mother fucking ballsy.

[NeverWanderer]

Man, that would be mother fucking ballsy.

Wouldn't it just! :D

[Ryan Elliott]

Wouldn't it just! :D


But hell, the end of T3 was ballsy as hell.

Certainly wouldn't put it past them.

[greg donovan]

It actually looks good, maybe McG has talent after all

i think he might. CHUCK is a pretty damn entertaining show with some cool editing and camera choices.

[A.Huerta]

Wouldn't it just! :D

Im not getting it.

Whos the unknown?

[Brandon Reynolds]

Im not getting it.

Whos the unknown?

Likely it's a Terminator with a Christian Bale face. Since the thing is named "T-RIP" its fairly safe to guess that Connor isn't going to make it to the end credits.

[A.Huerta]

Oh snap!

[Brandon Reynolds]

Oh snap!

Glad I cleared that up! :)

[Jonathan Callan]

What is the twist ending they said wouldn't be the twist ending?

[Brandon Reynolds]

What is the twist ending they said wouldn't be the twist ending?

The ending is that during the film's climax, John Connor is killed. Believing that his death would demoralize the last of humanity, the Resistance decides to use the body of a reprogrammed Terminator and place Connor's skin on it. This lets the Resistance keep Connor as the symbol of humanity and lets Bale be a damn Terminator. 8-)

[NeverWanderer]

The ending is that during the film's climax, John Connor is killed. Believing that his death would demoralize the last of humanity, the Resistance decides to use the body of a reprogrammed Terminator and place Connor's skin on it. This lets the Resistance keep Connor as the symbol of humanity and lets Bale be a damn Terminator. 8-)

It sucks, but I'm damn near positive that that revelation is what will get people into the theaters when it comes out.

[Brandon Reynolds]

It sucks, but I'm damn near positive that that revelation is what will get people into the theaters when it comes out.

And hopefully not what T3's ending became: the bright spot in a crap film.

[Rado]

The ending is that during the film's climax, John Connor is killed. Believing that his death would demoralize the last of humanity, the Resistance decides to use the body of a reprogrammed Terminator and place Connor's skin on it. This lets the Resistance keep Connor as the symbol of humanity and lets Bale be a damn Terminator. 8-)

It was allegedly changed when Nolan came onboard. So you never know.

I like it just the way it is/was, though.

[NeverWanderer]

And hopefully not what T3's ending became: the bright spot in a crap film.

Honestly, I'm really, really stoked about this flick, in a way I couldn't even begin to approach when T3 was coming out.

T3 was, like, 98% gimmick, with five minutes of awesome filmmaking that managed to justify it at the end.

Everything about this movie is shaping up to be exactly what it should be. McG says the visuals are going to be gritty and industrial, and the trailers support this. The main cast is strong, which will make weak supporting players (if there are any) forgivable and forgettable. Jonathan Nolan is writing, which tells me the plot will be intricate, intelligent and subtle. And I trust Warner Bros. to not fuck with a good thing, even in the face of a possible franchise failure. They let the creators do what they hired them for.

I'm confident. :)

[Rado]

Jonathan Nolan is writing, which tells me the plot will be intricate, intelligent and subtle.

Are you sure "subtle" belongs in that sentence? ;)

[NeverWanderer]

Are you sure "subtle" belongs in that sentence? ;)

Eehhh... he hammers home his themes, but he weaves a good mystery, and subtlety is a big part of that. I point to The Prestige as an example.

Also, it might be worth noting that Jonathan didn't work on Batman Begins, and that was home to a fair bit of theme-hammering as well... so that particular flaw might be Chris's. Just a thought.

[Rado]

Eehhh... he hammers home his themes, but he weaves a good mystery, and subtlety is a big part of that. I point to The Prestige as an example.

Okay, I can agree with that.

[Ryan Elliott]

Eehhh... he hammers home his themes, but he weaves a good mystery, and subtlety is a big part of that. I point to The Prestige as an example.

Also, it might be worth noting that Jonathan didn't work on Batman Begins, and that was home to a fair bit of theme-hammering as well... so that particular flaw might be Chris's. Just a thought.


Goyer's actually.

[NeverWanderer]

Goyer's actually.

That's possible too! Though, Goyer had little to no hand in writing the script for the second one. A lot of that hammering comes out in the dialogue, which makes me think it's one of the Nolan's.

[NeverWanderer]

Danny Elfman to score Terminator Salvation.

http://upcomingfilmscores.blogspot.com/2009/01/danny-elfman-terminator-salvation.html

I am... ambivalent. :?

I'm praying for a Hulk instead of a Spider-Man.

[glk]

Danny Elfman to score Terminator Salvation.

http://upcomingfilmscores.blogspot.com/2009/01/danny-elfman-terminator-salvation.html

I am... ambivalent. :?

I'm praying for a Hulk instead of a Spider-Man.

What, no Brad Fiedel??? That's a rip.

[NeverWanderer]

What, no Brad Fiedel??? That's a rip.

McG was originally talking about getting the Spanish composer for Brokeback Mountain to team up with Thom Yorke for the score.

How AWESOME could that have been??

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

The very last shot was pretty cool, but beyond that it looks like the entire film is going to be a series of explosions interspersed with cliche, macho dialogue. Nothing we haven't seen 100 times before.

Also nothing we haven't seen in the three previous Terminator movies.

[NeverWanderer]

Also nothing we haven't seen in the three previous Terminator movies.

Errf...? Do you mean, like... guns and robots?

The entire story is one we haven't seen in previous Terminator movies. :p

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

Errf...? Do you mean, like... guns and robots?

The entire story is one we haven't seen in previous Terminator movies. :p

That's exactly what I mean. I loved The Terminator movies, and they're all better written than most in this genre (yes, even the third one), but primarily, they're movies about blowing shit up good.

[NeverWanderer]

That's exactly what I mean. I loved The Terminator movies, and they're all better written than most in this genre (yes, even the third one), but primarily, they're movies about blowing shit up good.

I'm not quite seeing your point, though.

I mean, you're kinda right? But... I would think any movie that's only about blowing shit up would get old after a while. What makes the first two Terminator flicks stand out over the rest, I think, is that there is a real story with real depth, and interesting characters who you care about. Saying that the Terminator flicks are only about blowing shit up, in my eyes, is like saying that the Lord of the Rings was only about sword fights. There's so much more there behind the superficial flashiness.

Now, the third? That was only about blowing shit up. And winking at the audience. And parodying what came before it.

But, that movie never happened. It was a fever dream followed by five minutes of cool filmmaking at the very end. :x

And what makes me so eager about this flick is that it looks like they're not just going to rehash what came before. They're kicking the old Terminator formula out the door and are carrying the story to the next level. Embracing what makes the series *good* rather than just entertaining.

[Ryan Elliott]

I'm not quite seeing your point, though.

I mean, you're kinda right? But... I would think any movie that's only about blowing shit up would get old after a while. What makes the first two Terminator flicks stand out over the rest, I think, is that there is a real story with real depth, and interesting characters who you care about. Saying that the Terminator flicks are only about blowing shit up, in my eyes, is like saying that the Lord of the Rings was only about sword fights. There's so much more there behind the superficial flashiness.

Now, the third? That was only about blowing shit up. And winking at the audience. And parodying what came before it.

But, that movie never happened. It was a fever dream followed by five minutes of cool filmmaking at the very end. :x

And what makes me so eager about this flick is that it looks like they're not just going to rehash what came before. They're kicking the old Terminator formula out the door and are carrying the story to the next level. Embracing what makes the series *good* rather than just entertaining.


That's just ridiculous.

They were about sword fights and walking.

[NeverWanderer]

That's just ridiculous.

They were about sword fights and walking.

First movie:

Walk, walk, walk.

Second movie:

Walk, walk -- DODGE! Hesitate... walk.

Third movie:

Walk, walk, stop. Toss.

...

Shrug.

Walk back.

[InBendiswetrust]

First movie:

Walk, walk, walk.

Second movie:

Walk, walk -- DODGE! Hesitate... walk.

Third movie:

Walk, walk, stop. Toss.

...

Shrug.

Walk back.

Watch it Randall, you're writing a check you cant bounced.

[Ryan Elliott]

Watch it Randall, you're writing a check you cant bounced.


Heh what'd the customer say about what Randall was doing? The one sitting down? That was funny.

[InBendiswetrust]

Heh what'd the customer say about what Randall was doing? The one sitting down? That was funny.

I forgot but it was funny

[Robert James]

Heh what'd the customer say about what Randall was doing? The one sitting down? That was funny.

I think he just said "Fucking A..." while nodding in agreement with his friend.

[NeverWanderer]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=53372

New trailer is the most badass yet. And I'm not just saying that because it uses a NIN song.

[arthurloewenkamp]

Yeah, I was going to start a new thread, I think it looks amazing. What's the song?

I would say I wish I hadn't seen the new trailer because the reveals in it would have been more fun in the theater.

[NeverWanderer]

Yeah, I was going to start a new thread, I think it looks amazing. What's the song?

The Day The Whole World Went Away, from the album The Fragile.

Except... that sounded like a different version of it. :shock: I have some searching to do.

[antistar]

The Day The Whole World Went Away, from the album The Fragile.

Except... that sounded like a different version of it. :shock: I have some searching to do.

Its a mix of the song done especially for the trailer. It's called "the day the world went away" Sorry to correct you, but I'm a bit of a NIN nerd.

Here's a freely available live version of it, without violating any copyright laws: http://www.ninlive.com/nin_rehearsal/02%20The%20Day%20the%20World%20Went%20Away.mp3

[NeverWanderer]

Its a mix of the song done especially for the trailer. It's called "the day the world went away" Sorry to correct you, but I'm a bit of a NIN nerd.

Here's a freely available live version of it, without violating any copyright laws: http://www.ninlive.com/nin_rehearsal/02%20The%20Day%20the%20World%20Went%20Away.mp3

Sweet, thanks!

[Supreme Convoy]

Wow, the new trailer looks pretty slick!

[Ryan Elliott]

Holy mother fuck. That trailer was awesome.


That trailer and I are NOT done professionally!

[NeverWanderer]

The thing is so good that I'm even sorta conflicted over it.

It bugs me that they reveal the truth about Marcus when that obviously could have been a great moment in the movie... but then I consider that anyone following the production of the movie has already heard about the character's origins, and anyone who hasn't probably wouldn't care who he is without a bit of revelation.

And it's used SO well in the trailer.

I dunno. The fact that Two-Face's presence in The Dark Knight was revealed before the movie was released still bugs me, but this trailer spoiler I'm totally happy with.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

The Day The Whole World Went Away, from the album The Fragile.

Except... that sounded like a different version of it. :shock: I have some searching to do.

I had a feeling this trailer would make a party in your pants. Can't go wrong with NIN.

Good God this is an amazing trailer.

[schizorabbit]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=53372

New trailer is the most badass yet. And I'm not just saying that because it uses a NIN song.

Holy Fucking Shit, that trailer rocked!!!

I used to call McG "McCheese," but I may have to start calling him "Mr. McBadass."

[Cth]

I hated T3, but the new trailer won me over.

I've liked McG's stuff in the past -- maybe he's grown with this new stuff. Same thing with Michael Bay with Transformers.

Not thrilled with the cyclebots and harvester, but who cares at this point :D

[Doc Randy]

Now, the third? That was only about blowing shit up. And winking at the audience. And parodying what came before it.


1) I really like T3.
2) T2 has plenty of winking and parody. I actually think T3 is much more somber and serious than T2.

[A.Huerta]

I hated T3, but the new trailer won me over.

I've liked McG's stuff in the past -- maybe he's grown with this new stuff. Same thing with Michael Bay with Transformers.

Not thrilled with the cyclebots and harvester, but who cares at this point :D

Whats wrong with them?

Seems logical for Skynet to create as many diverse death machines to enslave/destroy the human race.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

I love that they're pretty much taking a cue from Battlestar Galactica with this Marcus Wright thing.

[Cth]

Whats wrong with them?

Seems logical for Skynet to create as many diverse death machines to enslave/destroy the human race.

Seems logical they'd send them back in time first to kill John Conner.

It's the fast/slow zombie syndrome.

T-800? Slow unstoppable killing machine.

T-1000? Fast, agile, morphing.

They have to increase the threat with subsequent movies.. but why bother with the older models first?

With time travel, you could argue the war is constantly shifting the future, so that's ok.. but why keep travelling further along the timeline, why not continue where the early model was killed? Or kill Sarah Connor's parents, etc.

It's a sci-fi movie about robots so I'm not worried too much about applying logic, cause once you do, it falls apart.

But still -- cyclebots are there just to up the kewl factor, IMO. And why have a giant robot to collect humans? The idea of a collector is fine, but is there a reason to make it so Robocop 2/Transformer-ish? We have HK units, so why keep with the humanoid appearance?

[Jason California]

Wow.

[A.Huerta]

Seems logical they'd send them back in time first to kill John Conner.

It's the fast/slow zombie syndrome.

T-800? Slow unstoppable killing machine.

T-1000? Fast, agile, morphing.

They have to increase the threat with subsequent movies.. but why bother with the older models first?

With time travel, you could argue the war is constantly shifting the future, so that's ok.. but why keep travelling further along the timeline, why not continue where the early model was killed? Or kill Sarah Connor's parents, etc.

It's a sci-fi movie about robots so I'm not worried too much about applying logic, cause once you do, it falls apart.

But still -- cyclebots are there just to up the kewl factor, IMO. And why have a giant robot to collect humans? The idea of a collector is fine, but is there a reason to make it so Robocop 2/Transformer-ish? We have HK units, so why keep with the humanoid appearance?

I think Skynet was going for stealth when they sent back T800 and T1000. If you send back those other guys they would get too much attention and the Government would have come in and made the Terminator movies 10 minutes long.

[schizorabbit]

Wow.

I know, right?

[Jason California]

I know, right?


Yeah, I am totally psyched for this movie. Between this, ST, TF I may go to the movies 6 times this year.

[19bernardo87]

And to think that Shane almost fucking ruined it all by walking in front of the set during shooting.

[Ryan Elliott]

And to think that Shane almost fucking ruined it all by walking in front of the set during shooting.


It was fucking distracting.

[Lab-Rat]

holy fucking balls that trailer was amazing.

[schizorabbit]

Yeah, I am totally psyched for this movie. Between this, ST, TF I may go to the movies 6 times this year.

Me too.

And I love your Leon: The Professional avatar. :thumb: I remember liking the American version, which I found out later was severely edited, and then watching the uncut European version.

[NeverWanderer]

1) I really like T3.
2) T2 has plenty of winking and parody. I actually think T3 is much more somber and serious than T2.

1) There's absolutely nothing wrong with you liking T3. If that's what floated your boat, then you're the luckier one than I, because you got a satisfying two hours that I didn't. So, please, don't take any of my criticisms of that movie as criticisms of your personal preference.

That said...

2) T2 has plenty of jokes and light moments, but they are all worked into the movie in non-distracting ways. And of course there are those old classic Ahnold one-liners -- "Hasta la vista... baby," is no longer as awesome and acceptable as it once was. That's a sign of the times, though, and I think it's passable when tucked in amongst everything T2 does right. The entire movie is filled with deep, dark psychological and existential themes. There is never a moment where the weight of the end of the world isn't hanging over everything the characters do, and when they finally decide to take matters into their own hands, that sense of free-fall is palpable. We feel it as they feel it, because James Cameron knows how to tell a damn good story.

The movie has a sense of humor. All Cameron movies do. It's part of his storytelling style. Get dark, get violent, but make sure to include some light moments to keep from depressing your audience. T2 is a balanced film. And if you were to compare it to the movie that came before it, one could see that the *only* vaguely "audience winking" references to the previous Terminator are the lines "Come with me if you want to live," and "I'll be back." Neither of those are supposed to be jokes, and they aren't played that way.

T3 succeeds at being a halfway decent action movie, but it has none of the depth, none of the mood, none of the storytelling saavy that Cameron exhibited in the first two flicks. It's just a weak copy. The jokes throughout consist of, A) Getting the stuffy Terminator to do ridiculous things for a laugh ("Everybody loved when he copied the kid in the last movie, so this time we'll have him copy the gay stripper and it'll be GREAT!"), and B) Parodying scenes from previous movies STRICTLY for the laugh, and then stopping to make sure the audience understood that they're supposed to laugh now (the keys, the glasses, "I'm back!"). It basically took everything that, in the previous movie, was supposed to make Arnold come off cool, exciting, and intimidating, and instead made a goof out of him. Great tactic for a "Scary Movie" type parody, but in the movie they were creating all it did was undercut the presence of the main protagonist by telling the audience, "You shouldn't take this seriously, folks."

Cameron made plenty of jokes in his movies, but NEVER at the expense of the movie itself. Any time the characters fucked up or goofed off, it was always brought about by their own actions, but this time it's like the director was telling jokes about his own movie and expecting the audience to laugh at the characters with him instead of with them.

Remember that scene from Conan The Destroyer, when Conan's riding through the city, and his friend says, "Hey Conan, remember him?" and points to some random camel standing by the side of the road, and Conan says to the camel, "Oh, hey, sorry about last time," (referring to when he drunkenly punched a camel in the first movie) but then the camel spits at him, so Conan punches it?

Stretch that scene out for two hours and give Conan a gun -- THAT was Terminator 3.

(This is, of course, excluding the last five minutes of the movie, which I loved and wished had been preceding by a movie worthy of it.)

[Jason California]

Me too.

And I love your Leon: The Professional avatar. :thumb: I remember liking the American version, which I found out later was severely edited, and then watching the uncut European version.


It is Assassins theme week or 2.

[19bernardo87]

It was fucking distracting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48

[Ryan Elliott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48


:lol:

[NeverWanderer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48

:rock:

[schizorabbit]

It is Assassins theme week or 2.

I noticed.

:)

[19bernardo87]

Shane for Batman 3 villain. Yup, that's my casting call.

[NeverWanderer]

shane for batman 3 villain. Yup, that's my casting call.

Oooh, GOOOOOD!!

[Supreme Convoy]

Awesome recut of the trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmoubYztEc).

:)

[Arion]

holy fucking balls that trailer was amazing.

I guess it was kind of interesting. I still think that after T2 there was no need of other movies.

[A.Huerta]

I guess it was kind of interesting. I still think that after T2 there was no need of other movies.

SOme people want to see the actual war.

[ERNIE_E]

Keep in mind guys and gals. This is billed as a war film. Judgement day has passed, and it's all about survival.

I'm likening this to Aliens vs. Alien. Two different movies. Same franchise.

T4 is going to be completely different in tone and feel than T1 and T2 which were very sci-fi. This is going to be a war of man v. machine. And the development of the T-800.

Go into Salvation with that in mind and I think you won't have so much trouble taking it on its own rather than T1, T2 and to a lesser extent Sarah Connor Chronicles.

[Dr. Chaos]

SOme people want to see the actual war.
This.

I want to see a real ending to the series (that being Skynet being stopped in the future), not seeing viewers get jerked around with another retread story like T3 so I'm extremely interested in Salvation.

The war is something we've only gotten to see bits and pieces of in the past but now that the techology is in place, they can build a whole damn movie off the premise and it looks pretty exciting.

I think this movie is absolutely necessary and something worth exploring, I know I've wanted to see it myself since I was a just a lil kid watching violent movies I was way too young for.

[Jerome Gibbons]

I know this is going to sound weird, but almost everything I hear about this movie makes it seem like it'll have a stronger connection to T1 and T2 than T3 did, this despite the fact that T3 copied the same basic formula from T2 and that this is a fairly radical change in plot from the three previous movies. The McG directing is what keeps making me nervous, but I'm holding out hope.

[Jerome Gibbons]

And damn, BDH...

[NeverWanderer]

I know this is going to sound weird, but almost everything I hear about this movie makes it seem like it'll have a stronger connection to T1 and T2 than T3 did, this despite the fact that T3 copied the same basic formula from T2 and that this is a fairly radical change in plot from the three previous movies. The McG directing is what keeps making me nervous, but I'm holding out hope.

I honestly think that McG gets a bad rap from people who weren't willing go along with the intentionally dumb fun of the Charlie's Angels movies. They were meant to be outrageous, over the top, unrealistic, goofy action comedies, and in that sense, I think they succeeded wonderfully.

But, to think that that's ALL the director is capable of...? I ask you this: If all you'd ever seen from Tim Burton was Beetlejuice, would you have believed he could actually deliver a good Batman film? And if all you'd seen were Beetlejuice and Batman, would you believe he was capable of something like Ed Wood?

At this point, I'm more than willing to take McG's first two films as being exactly what they were intended to be and look forward to seeing if he can achieve the same with this Terminator movie.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

You know what would be magical? If T3 never happened and Terminator: Salvation was T3. After stopping Judgment Day suddenly we cut Salvation where John Conner is wondering what the fuck happened and how the war still managed to happen. That way the timeline didn't have to be altered at all. Judgment Day could have still happened when it was supposed to originally and the whole "it's inevitable" and all the chicken and egg arguments that make this franchise so cool can still apply.

Did we really need T3 just so the end result could be, judgment day still happened? Did a whole shitty movie need to be made for that great ending? Better to just cut to the post apocalyptic world after T2 where they supposedly saved the future.

[arthurloewenkamp]

You know what would be magical? If T3 never happened and Terminator: Salvation was T3. After stopping Judgment Day suddenly we cut Salvation where John Conner is wondering what the fuck happened and how the war still managed to happen. That way the timeline didn't have to be altered at all. Judgment Day could have still happened when it was supposed to originally and the whole "it's inevitable" and all the chicken and egg arguments that make this franchise so cool can still apply.

Did we really need T3 just so the end result could be, judgment day still happened? Did a whole shitty movie need to be made for that great ending? Better to just cut to the post apocalyptic world after T2 where they supposedly saved the future.

Yeah, but I think Judgement Day starting later leads to this more advanced skynet. One of the lines I really like is the one about it not being the war his mother prepared him for. Things are worse, and its directly because of the events in all 3 movies.

[Kenobi Fei-Hung]

You know what would be magical? If T3 never happened and Terminator: Salvation was T3.

Based on some of the things McG has said, I think he and everyone involved have basically pretended that T3 never happened. I know the producers of The Sarah Connor Chronicles have said this about their show.

So pretty much everyone is ignoring T3 exists.