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badmarru22
12-06-2008, 08:17 AM
Hello to everyone :)
I'm new here and registered to ask a very simple question.
Like many readers,I prefer to read stories in hardcovers or trades.Or at least in complete story arcs or when a miniserie is complete.
Well my question is quite simple:what is the best way to read and experience Secret Invasion, now that is has ended, considering there are many series that tie in(New Avengers,Mighty Avengers,The Initiative plus the various miniseries like X-Men,Inhumans,Young Avengers and Runaways and so on...)?
I remember reading mr Bendis saying that he had time to develop his story since he had 8 issues in the miniserie plus 8 issues in New Avengers and Mighty totalizing 24 issues.
Thanks in advance, any insight is appreciated.Can't wait ;)
Badmarru

greg donovan
12-06-2008, 08:19 AM
the only thing i am 100% certain on is that you should read NA #47 last.

Slewo.O
12-06-2008, 08:19 AM
If you just want Bendis' entire plot for Secret Invasion and his Avengers stuff read.

SI#1-8
NA#40-47
MA#12-20

I'm presuming the latter two will have their own hardcover soon for the SI arcs. Oh and like the above guy said read NA #47 AFTER SI #8.

Jerome Gibbons
12-06-2008, 08:27 AM
Welcome to the board.

Andreas
12-06-2008, 08:34 AM
The way the single issues were published.

Andreas

RickLM
12-06-2008, 08:38 AM
Marvel (and DC) should publish the chronological sequence of issues when they do a big event like this, to satisfy the readers who like having things in precise order. (Along with a disclaimer that you don't have to buy all the tie-ins so other fans don't get mad.) This kind of question comes up regularly.

And welcome to the board.

Jerome Gibbons
12-06-2008, 08:48 AM
Brevoort posted the chronological order in which everything happens yesterday, but beware, it does contain spoilers for what happens in each issue.

SECRET INVASION TIMELINE

KREE/SKRULL WAR – AVENGERS #89-97

Illuminati go after Skrulls, Skrulls get Illuminati DNA –ILLUMINATI #1
Veranke sent to barren wasteland – NEW #40
Skrulls begin cloning experiments – NEW #40
Skrulls clone Reed Richards, killed by King Dorrek – NEW #40
Sentry has first Skrull encounter – MIGHTY #14
Skrulls fail with clones of Illuminati – NEW #44
Skrulls get secret of working undetected from clone Reed – NEW #44

GALACTUS EATS SKRULL THRONEWORLD - FF #257

Skrulls come to Veranke – NEW #40
Veranke becomes queen – NEW #40

AVENGERS AND FF BATTLE SKRULLS - AVENGERS ANNUAL #14

Elektra ambushed by Skrulls – MIGHTY #16
Elektra replaced by Skrull – NEW #40 (recounted)

WOLVERINE – ENEMY OF THE STATE – WOLVERINE #20-32

Veranke presented with new model Super-Skrull – NEW #40
Veranke presented with Skrull Elektra – NEW #40
Veranke decides to impersonate Jessica Drew – NEW #40
Nick Fury recruits Jessica Drew as double-agent – NEW #15/NEW #42
HYDRA gives Spider-Woman back her powers – NEW #15
Skrulls replace Jessica Drew with Veranke – NEW #42
Skrulls create Skrull Captain America, put him in pod – NEW #43
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Elektra, Spider-Woman) Veranke gives Elektra her mission – MIGHTY #16

SECRET WAR

Nick tells Jessica Drew that he’s going underground – NEW #14
Nick Fury goes underground – MIGHTY #12
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Spider-Woman, Elektra, Jarvis, Contessa) discuss Vibranium – NEW #42
Contessa says she’s been in place for two days – NEW #42
Skrull Jessica Drew gets posted to the Raft – NEW #42

AVENGERS DISASSEMBLED – AVENGERS #500-503

Elektra Skrull takes over Hand, mentions Avengers are no more – MIGHTY #16
Nick Fury found by Contessa Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury kills Contessa Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury becomes aware of Skrull conspiracy – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury warns Maria Hill on Helicarrier – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury tells Spider-Woman about the Skrulls, not realizing she’s a Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Real Hank lectures at U of Oxford – MIGHTY #15
Real Hank and Jan separate – MIGHTY #15
Skrull Elektra hires Electro for Raft breakout – MIGHTY #16

RAFT BREAKOUT – NEW AVENGERS #1-3

Real Hank and Skrull “Gwen” canoodle, see news of press conference – MIGHTY #15
Hank replaced by Skrull “Gwen” – MIGHTY #15

NEW AVENGERS FORM – NEW AVENGERS #3-4

Skrull Jessica and Skrull Hank discuss the Raft breakout and her joining New Avengers– NEW #42
Ka-Zar and Shanna discover Skrulls among SHIELD in Savage Land, including Contessa – NEW #41 – (This would be the 2nd Contessa Skrull)

NEW AVENGERS IN SAVAGE LAND - NEW AVENGERS #4-6

Skrull Jessica finds out about Wanda’s whereabouts – NEW #42
Skrull Jessica meets with Maria Hill, gets call from Hank to meet at Tower for House of M mission – NEW #42

HOUSE OF M – HOUSE OF M #1-7

Skrull Jessica and Skrull Hank in House of M – NEW #45
Veranke tries to assassinate Wanda in HOM, uncreated by her – NEW #45

M-DAY – HOUSE OF M #8

Veranke recreated along with the regular Marvel U – NEW #45
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Jarvis, Spider-Woman, Elektra, Hank?, Contessa) speak about M-Day and Annihilation Wave – NEW #45

NEW AVENGERS PRESS CONFERENCE – NEW AVENGERS #15

Skrull Jarvis asks for access to Avengers Tower files – MIGHTY #14
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Elektra, Spider-Woman, Jarvis, Contessa) – MIGHTY #14

SKRULL EMPIRE DECIMATED – ANNIHILATION #1-6

CIVIL WAR – CIVIL WAR #1-7

Captain Mar-Vell Skrull escapes, thinks he’s the real Mar-Vell – CIVIL WAR THE RETURN/CAPTAIN MARVEL #1-5

CAPTAIN AMERICA ASSASINATED – CAPTAIN AMERICA #25

Dum Dum Dugan ambushed by Contessa Skrull, replaced by Skrull – SECRET INVASION TEASER
Nick Fury recruits Daisy Johnson – MIGHTY #13
Hank Pym and Dum Dum Dugan meet in Oregon, Hank killed after rebelling – MIGHTY #17
Daisy Johnson takes photos for Fury – MIGHTY #17
New Skrull replaces Hank Skrull – MIGHTY #17

MIGHTY AVENGERS FORMED, BATTLE ULTRON – MIGHTY AVENGERS #1-6

Skrulls meet at safehouse ( Spider-Woman, Hank, Contessa, Jarvis) and work out how to disable Stark Tech – MIGHTY #15
Daisy recruits Ares’ son Phobos – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Yo Yo – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Hellfire – MIGHTY #13
Daisy attempts to recruit Layla Miller, fails – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Druid – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Stonewall – MIGHTY #13

ELEKTRA DISCOVERED AS A SKRULL – NEW AVENGERS #31

SPIDER-WOMAN STEALS ELEKTRA CORPSE – NEW AVENGERS #32

HANK GIVES JAN GROWTH SERUM – MIGHTY AVENGERS #8 (Flashback)

Skrull Hank gives Jan tainted growth formula – MIGHTY #15

SPIDER-WOMAN TAKES CORPSE TO IRON MAN – MIGHTY AVENGERS #7

WORLD WAR HULK

IRON MAN TAKES CORPSE TO ILLUMINATI, BLACK BOLT SKRULL REVEALED – NA ILLUMINATI #5

Nick Fury has the Secret Warriors abduct Maria Hill as a training exercise – MIGHTY #18
The Hood and his crew learn about the Skrull infiltration – NEW #46
Cap Skrull and other 70s Hero Skrulls aboard Pod come to life, escape in pod – NEW #43

SECRET INVASION

Rick America
12-06-2008, 08:50 AM
From Tom Breevort's BLOG at marvel.com:
http://marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/

SECRET INVASION TIMELINE

KREE/SKRULL WAR – AVENGERS #89-97

Illuminati go after Skrulls, Skrulls get Illuminati DNA –ILLUMINATI #1
Veranke sent to barren wasteland – NEW #40
Skrulls begin cloning experiments – NEW #40
Skrulls clone Reed Richards, killed by King Dorrek – NEW #40
Sentry has first Skrull encounter – MIGHTY #14
Skrulls fail with clones of Illuminati – NEW #44
Skrulls get secret of working undetected from clone Reed – NEW #44

GALACTUS EATS SKRULL THRONEWORLD - FF #257

Skrulls come to Veranke – NEW #40
Veranke becomes queen – NEW #40

AVENGERS AND FF BATTLE SKRULLS - AVENGERS ANNUAL #14

Elektra ambushed by Skrulls – MIGHTY #16
Elektra replaced by Skrull – NEW #40 (recounted)

WOLVERINE – ENEMY OF THE STATE – WOLVERINE #20-32

Veranke presented with new model Super-Skrull – NEW #40
Veranke presented with Skrull Elektra – NEW #40
Veranke decides to impersonate Jessica Drew – NEW #40
Nick Fury recruits Jessica Drew as double-agent – NEW #15/NEW #42
HYDRA gives Spider-Woman back her powers – NEW #15
Skrulls replace Jessica Drew with Veranke – NEW #42
Skrulls create Skrull Captain America, put him in pod – NEW #43
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Elektra, Spider-Woman) Veranke gives Elektra her mission – MIGHTY #16

SECRET WAR

Nick tells Jessica Drew that he’s going underground – NEW #14
Nick Fury goes underground – MIGHTY #12
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Spider-Woman, Elektra, Jarvis, Contessa) discuss Vibranium – NEW #42
Contessa says she’s been in place for two days – NEW #42
Skrull Jessica Drew gets posted to the Raft – NEW #42

AVENGERS DISASSEMBLED – AVENGERS #500-503

Elektra Skrull takes over Hand, mentions Avengers are no more – MIGHTY #16
Nick Fury found by Contessa Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury kills Contessa Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury becomes aware of Skrull conspiracy – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury warns Maria Hill on Helicarrier – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury tells Spider-Woman about the Skrulls, not realizing she’s a Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Real Hank lectures at U of Oxford – MIGHTY #15
Real Hank and Jan separate – MIGHTY #15
Skrull Elektra hires Electro for Raft breakout – MIGHTY #16

RAFT BREAKOUT – NEW AVENGERS #1-3

Real Hank and Skrull “Gwen” canoodle, see news of press conference – MIGHTY #15
Hank replaced by Skrull “Gwen” – MIGHTY #15

NEW AVENGERS FORM – NEW AVENGERS #3-4

Skrull Jessica and Skrull Hank discuss the Raft breakout and her joining New Avengers– NEW #42
Ka-Zar and Shanna discover Skrulls among SHIELD in Savage Land, including Contessa – NEW #41 – (This would be the 2nd Contessa Skrull)

NEW AVENGERS IN SAVAGE LAND - NEW AVENGERS #4-6

Skrull Jessica finds out about Wanda’s whereabouts – NEW #42
Skrull Jessica meets with Maria Hill, gets call from Hank to meet at Tower for House of M mission – NEW #42

HOUSE OF M – HOUSE OF M #1-7

Skrull Jessica and Skrull Hank in House of M – NEW #45
Veranke tries to assassinate Wanda in HOM, uncreated by her – NEW #45

M-DAY – HOUSE OF M #8

Veranke recreated along with the regular Marvel U – NEW #45
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Jarvis, Spider-Woman, Elektra, Hank?, Contessa) speak about M-Day and Annihilation Wave – NEW #45

NEW AVENGERS PRESS CONFERENCE – NEW AVENGERS #15

Skrull Jarvis asks for access to Avengers Tower files – MIGHTY #14
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Elektra, Spider-Woman, Jarvis, Contessa) – MIGHTY #14

SKRULL EMPIRE DECIMATED – ANNIHILATION #1-6

CIVIL WAR – CIVIL WAR #1-7

Captain Mar-Vell Skrull escapes, thinks he’s the real Mar-Vell – CIVIL WAR THE RETURN/CAPTAIN MARVEL #1-5

CAPTAIN AMERICA ASSASINATED – CAPTAIN AMERICA #25

Dum Dum Dugan ambushed by Contessa Skrull, replaced by Skrull – SECRET INVASION TEASER
Nick Fury recruits Daisy Johnson – MIGHTY #13
Hank Pym and Dum Dum Dugan meet in Oregon, Hank killed after rebelling – MIGHTY #17
Daisy Johnson takes photos for Fury – MIGHTY #17
New Skrull replaces Hank Skrull – MIGHTY #17

MIGHTY AVENGERS FORMED, BATTLE ULTRON – MIGHTY AVENGERS #1-6

Skrulls meet at safehouse ( Spider-Woman, Hank, Contessa, Jarvis) and work out how to disable Stark Tech – MIGHTY #15
Daisy recruits Ares’ son Phobos – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Yo Yo – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Hellfire – MIGHTY #13
Daisy attempts to recruit Layla Miller, fails – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Druid – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Stonewall – MIGHTY #13

ELEKTRA DISCOVERED AS A SKRULL – NEW AVENGERS #31

SPIDER-WOMAN STEALS ELEKTRA CORPSE – NEW AVENGERS #32

HANK GIVES JAN GROWTH SERUM – MIGHTY AVENGERS #8 (Flashback)

Skrull Hank gives Jan tainted growth formula – MIGHTY #15

SPIDER-WOMAN TAKES CORPSE TO IRON MAN – MIGHTY AVENGERS #7

WORLD WAR HULK

IRON MAN TAKES CORPSE TO ILLUMINATI, BLACK BOLT SKRULL REVEALED – NA ILLUMINATI #5

Nick Fury has the Secret Warriors abduct Maria Hill as a training exercise – MIGHTY #18
The Hood and his crew learn about the Skrull infiltration – NEW #46
Cap Skrull and other 70s Hero Skrulls aboard Pod come to life, escape in pod – NEW #43

SECRET INVASION

Spidey616
12-06-2008, 08:55 AM
Welcome to the board.

Tie-in wise, I'd say Incredible Herc, Cap Brit, A:TI, and Black Panther were among some of the best ones to come out. Also Matt Fraction's SI: Thor mini was a great read if you like Asgardian/Skrull action.

And on the cosmic side of things there's Nova, GoTG, and Inhumans, which have a few developments leading into this summer's War of Kings event.

bartleby
12-06-2008, 08:58 AM
See this is where waiting for the trade really hurts the reading experience. Because you're not just going to be able to start with Trade A and then read Trade B and then Trade C and so on. There's going to be a whole lot of flipping back and forth from one trade to another.

Marcdachamp
12-06-2008, 09:00 AM
You can read the mini without anything else. However, Illuminati #1 and New and Mighty Avengers will give you a lot of the back story behind each replacement. Everything else is pretty much just added perspectives on the invasion.

bartleby
12-06-2008, 09:03 AM
Hello to everyone :)
I'm new here and registered to ask a very simple question.

I'm sorry but that's not how we do things around here. New posters are expected to say a bunch of crazy things and basically threaten Bendis and his family for ruining their favorite character (whom they don't seem to realize isn't actually a real person) and then attack all the members of this internet community for being enablers to Bendis's quest to ruin the Marvel Comics brand.

But welcome to the board all the same.

badmarru22
12-06-2008, 09:48 AM
Ok thanks already :)
My guess is that the Brevoort list is sort of what I was looking for even if it doesn't look like it's a reading list per se.
More of a timeline of whenever the nasty Skrulls appeared in the Marvel U and how it ties in in the current events.
Now would anyone accept a paypal payement to post it edited of all the spoilers it contains?
I just got a glimpse of it and freaked out!
Like Galactus eats Skrull world...What?!!!?When?!!!
Elektra is a skrull too?Were those fake boobies as well?Fully covered with skrully scales? :s
Damn you Tom Brevoort!You hate trade paperbacks and reading-story-arcs when-they're-complete-people,don't you?
;p
My guess so far is that I'll read SI,NA,MA,AI and try to read as much of all the tie ins directly after it.That worked well for Civil War :)

ImYrWoodbury
12-06-2008, 09:58 AM
Wow, that was pretty cool of Tom to do. I read just Secret Invasion and most of the New and Mighty Avengers tie-ins. I also re-read the first New Avengers Arc, Secret War and Civil War. But now I think I might re-read Enemy of The State

Kedd
12-06-2008, 11:31 AM
Brevoort posted the chronological order in which everything happens yesterday, but beware, it does contain spoilers for what happens in each issue.

SECRET INVASION TIMELINE

KREE/SKRULL WAR – AVENGERS #89-97

Illuminati go after Skrulls, Skrulls get Illuminati DNA –ILLUMINATI #1
Veranke sent to barren wasteland – NEW #40
Skrulls begin cloning experiments – NEW #40
Skrulls clone Reed Richards, killed by King Dorrek – NEW #40
Sentry has first Skrull encounter – MIGHTY #14
Skrulls fail with clones of Illuminati – NEW #44
Skrulls get secret of working undetected from clone Reed – NEW #44

GALACTUS EATS SKRULL THRONEWORLD - FF #257

Skrulls come to Veranke – NEW #40
Veranke becomes queen – NEW #40

AVENGERS AND FF BATTLE SKRULLS - AVENGERS ANNUAL #14

Elektra ambushed by Skrulls – MIGHTY #16
Elektra replaced by Skrull – NEW #40 (recounted)

WOLVERINE – ENEMY OF THE STATE – WOLVERINE #20-32

Veranke presented with new model Super-Skrull – NEW #40
Veranke presented with Skrull Elektra – NEW #40
Veranke decides to impersonate Jessica Drew – NEW #40
Nick Fury recruits Jessica Drew as double-agent – NEW #15/NEW #42
HYDRA gives Spider-Woman back her powers – NEW #15
Skrulls replace Jessica Drew with Veranke – NEW #42
Skrulls create Skrull Captain America, put him in pod – NEW #43
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Elektra, Spider-Woman) Veranke gives Elektra her mission – MIGHTY #16

SECRET WAR

Nick tells Jessica Drew that he’s going underground – NEW #14
Nick Fury goes underground – MIGHTY #12
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Spider-Woman, Elektra, Jarvis, Contessa) discuss Vibranium – NEW #42
Contessa says she’s been in place for two days – NEW #42
Skrull Jessica Drew gets posted to the Raft – NEW #42

AVENGERS DISASSEMBLED – AVENGERS #500-503

Elektra Skrull takes over Hand, mentions Avengers are no more – MIGHTY #16
Nick Fury found by Contessa Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury kills Contessa Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury becomes aware of Skrull conspiracy – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury warns Maria Hill on Helicarrier – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury tells Spider-Woman about the Skrulls, not realizing she’s a Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Real Hank lectures at U of Oxford – MIGHTY #15
Real Hank and Jan separate – MIGHTY #15
Skrull Elektra hires Electro for Raft breakout – MIGHTY #16

RAFT BREAKOUT – NEW AVENGERS #1-3

Real Hank and Skrull “Gwen” canoodle, see news of press conference – MIGHTY #15
Hank replaced by Skrull “Gwen” – MIGHTY #15

NEW AVENGERS FORM – NEW AVENGERS #3-4

Skrull Jessica and Skrull Hank discuss the Raft breakout and her joining New Avengers– NEW #42
Ka-Zar and Shanna discover Skrulls among SHIELD in Savage Land, including Contessa – NEW #41 – (This would be the 2nd Contessa Skrull)

NEW AVENGERS IN SAVAGE LAND - NEW AVENGERS #4-6

Skrull Jessica finds out about Wanda’s whereabouts – NEW #42
Skrull Jessica meets with Maria Hill, gets call from Hank to meet at Tower for House of M mission – NEW #42

HOUSE OF M – HOUSE OF M #1-7

Skrull Jessica and Skrull Hank in House of M – NEW #45
Veranke tries to assassinate Wanda in HOM, uncreated by her – NEW #45

M-DAY – HOUSE OF M #8

Veranke recreated along with the regular Marvel U – NEW #45
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Jarvis, Spider-Woman, Elektra, Hank?, Contessa) speak about M-Day and Annihilation Wave – NEW #45

NEW AVENGERS PRESS CONFERENCE – NEW AVENGERS #15

Skrull Jarvis asks for access to Avengers Tower files – MIGHTY #14
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Elektra, Spider-Woman, Jarvis, Contessa) – MIGHTY #14

SKRULL EMPIRE DECIMATED – ANNIHILATION #1-6

CIVIL WAR – CIVIL WAR #1-7

Captain Mar-Vell Skrull escapes, thinks he’s the real Mar-Vell – CIVIL WAR THE RETURN/CAPTAIN MARVEL #1-5

CAPTAIN AMERICA ASSASINATED – CAPTAIN AMERICA #25

Dum Dum Dugan ambushed by Contessa Skrull, replaced by Skrull – SECRET INVASION TEASER
Nick Fury recruits Daisy Johnson – MIGHTY #13
Hank Pym and Dum Dum Dugan meet in Oregon, Hank killed after rebelling – MIGHTY #17
Daisy Johnson takes photos for Fury – MIGHTY #17
New Skrull replaces Hank Skrull – MIGHTY #17

MIGHTY AVENGERS FORMED, BATTLE ULTRON – MIGHTY AVENGERS #1-6

Skrulls meet at safehouse ( Spider-Woman, Hank, Contessa, Jarvis) and work out how to disable Stark Tech – MIGHTY #15
Daisy recruits Ares’ son Phobos – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Yo Yo – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Hellfire – MIGHTY #13
Daisy attempts to recruit Layla Miller, fails – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Druid – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Stonewall – MIGHTY #13

ELEKTRA DISCOVERED AS A SKRULL – NEW AVENGERS #31

SPIDER-WOMAN STEALS ELEKTRA CORPSE – NEW AVENGERS #32

HANK GIVES JAN GROWTH SERUM – MIGHTY AVENGERS #8 (Flashback)

Skrull Hank gives Jan tainted growth formula – MIGHTY #15

SPIDER-WOMAN TAKES CORPSE TO IRON MAN – MIGHTY AVENGERS #7

WORLD WAR HULK

IRON MAN TAKES CORPSE TO ILLUMINATI, BLACK BOLT SKRULL REVEALED – NA ILLUMINATI #5

Nick Fury has the Secret Warriors abduct Maria Hill as a training exercise – MIGHTY #18
The Hood and his crew learn about the Skrull infiltration – NEW #46
Cap Skrull and other 70s Hero Skrulls aboard Pod come to life, escape in pod – NEW #43

SECRET INVASION

That is a huge list.

Welcome to the board badmarru22. And I'll echo everyone else: Read NA#47 last. NA, starting with the Electra reveal and MA starting with about issue 6 I think(or whenever the venom bomb dropped) up until the most recent releases help fleshout the story, I don't really think any of the other tie ins are needed, unless you're just into the character

Marcdachamp
12-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Ok thanks already :)
My guess is that the Brevoort list is sort of what I was looking for even if it doesn't look like it's a reading list per se.
More of a timeline of whenever the nasty Skrulls appeared in the Marvel U and how it ties in in the current events.
Now would anyone accept a paypal payement to post it edited of all the spoilers it contains?
I just got a glimpse of it and freaked out!
Like Galactus eats Skrull world...What?!!!?When?!!!
Elektra is a skrull too?Were those fake boobies as well?Fully covered with skrully scales? :s
Damn you Tom Brevoort!You hate trade paperbacks and reading-story-arcs when-they're-complete-people,don't you?
;p
My guess so far is that I'll read SI,NA,MA,AI and try to read as much of all the tie ins directly after it.That worked well for Civil War :)

The Galactus thing was WAY back during Byrne's FF.

Welcome to the board. You seem much cooler than our recent additions. :cool:

Taxman
12-06-2008, 02:20 PM
If one wishes to read the entire epic with all related titles, I recommend starting out with a home equity loan.

Howlett
12-06-2008, 02:28 PM
Welcome to the board man. Hope you enjoy the place.

Breevort's list is excellent, but if you're just looking for the 24 SI, NA and MA issues, and don't want to flip between issues every couple of pages, this is the order I worked out the other night. I'll include the Front Line issues too, since they're pretty damn excellent in my opinion, and show a good side to the Invasion that the main mini lacked.

NA 40
NA 44
MA 16
NA 42
MA 12
MA 13
NA 45
MA 15
MA 17
NA 46
SI 01
SI 02
MA 14
SI: FL 01
NA 41
NA 43
SI: FL 02
MA 18
SI 03
SI 04
SI: FL 03
SI 05
MA 19
SI 06
SI: FL 04
SI 07
SI 08
NA 47
SI: FL 05

tom daylight
12-06-2008, 02:37 PM
badmarru, what everyone here is ignoring is that you want to read is the storyline as it was originally intended to be read. and what you really want to read is the entire run of New Avengers from #1. because really, truly, Secret Invasion started THERE. It's a VERY long story which expanded into Mighty Avengers, New Avengers Illuminati and Secret Invasion:

(Preliminary reading - Avengers Disassembled - AVENGERS #500-503, AVENGERS FINALE. Secret War - SECRET WAR #1-5. Annihilation - ANNIHILATION #1-6.)

NEW AVENGERS #1-10
HOUSE OF M #1-8
NEW AVENGERS #11-20
NEW AVENGERS ANNUAL #1
NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI SPECIAL
CIVIL WAR #1-7
NEW AVENGERS #21-25
NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI #1-4
CIVIL WAR: THE INITIATIVE
NEW AVENGERS #26-32
MIGHTY AVENGERS #1-11
NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI #5
NEW AVENGERS #33-37
NEW AVENGERS ANNUAL #2
NEW AVENGERS #38-39
MIGHTY AVENGERS #12-13
SECRET INVASION #1-8
NEW AVENGERS #40-47
MIGHTY AVENGERS #14-20

However, if you just want to read the "main" bit without any of the build-up, that's what the Secret Invasion miniseries does. (and if you just want to read that then I don't think the tie-in Avengers issues would suit you because they are so embroiled in continuity from those first 40 issues of New Avengers that you wouldn't really get much value out of them. although, once you've devoured the main SI miniseries, you can read those tie-in issues in pretty much any order - they are pretty much footnotes to the main story. but, really awesome footnotes.)

For a first time read, you do NOT want to read them in chronological order! those flashbacks are revealed later on for a reason - they spoil major plot points!!!

tom daylight
12-06-2008, 03:01 PM
oh and in terms of TPBs and OHCs (oversized hardcovers) that's:


NEW AVENGERS #1-10 - TPB vols 1 & 2 or OHC 1
HOUSE OF M #1-8 - House of M TPB or OHC
NEW AVENGERS #11-20 - TPB vols 3 & 4 or OHC 2
NEW AVENGERS ANNUAL #1 - OHC 2 or Pulse vol 4 TPB
NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI SPECIAL - OHC 3 or Road to Civil War TPB
CIVIL WAR #1-7 - Civil War TPB or OHC
NEW AVENGERS #21-25 - TPB vol 5 or OHC 3
NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI #1-4 - Illuminati TPB
CIVIL WAR: THE INITIATIVE - OHC 3 or Civil War: Marvel Universe TPB
NEW AVENGERS #26-32 - TPB vols 6 & 7 or OHC 3
MIGHTY AVENGERS #1-11 - TPB vols 1 & 2 or Mighty Avengers OHC 1
NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI #5 - Illuminati TPB
NEW AVENGERS #33-37 - TPB vol 7
NEW AVENGERS ANNUAL #2 - TPB vol 7
NEW AVENGERS #38-39 - PHC/TPB vol 8
MIGHTY AVENGERS #12-13 - PHC/TPB vol 3
SECRET INVASION #1-8 - Secret Invasion TPB
NEW AVENGERS #40-47 - PHC/TPBs vol 8 & 9
MIGHTY AVENGERS #14-20 - PHC/TPBs vol 3 & 4

Maestro
12-06-2008, 03:17 PM
It's something like this

Avengers Disassembled
Secret War
New Avengers Vol. 1-3
House of M
New Avengers Vol. 4
Civil War
New Avengers Vol. 5-6
Mighty Avengers Vol. 1-2
New Avengers Vol. 7
New Avengers: Illuminati

SI tie-ins:
Mighty Avengers Vol. 3
New Avengers Vol. 8
Mighty Avengers Vol. 4
New Avengers Vol. 9

then finish it off with Secret Invasion itself

tom daylight
12-06-2008, 03:28 PM
nah, don't read SI after the tie-ins. either read them concurrently or just leave those tie-ins til last.

Dreaded Anomaly
12-06-2008, 03:29 PM
First, here's Marvel's checklist, you can get an idea of when things came out relative to each other: http://www.marvel.com/comics/Secret_Invasion?checklist=show

I think that, if you want the full experience of the invasion itself, you should look at some of the tie-ins.

SI: X-Men, SI: Inhumans, SI: Thor, SI: FF, and Avengers: the Initiative #14-#19 all look at some of the other fronts of the battle against the Skrulls. Thunderbolts #122-125 is a good complement to the SI-NA-MA triad.

ZombieSpeedball
12-06-2008, 03:39 PM
Don't forget the first few issues of the new Deadpool series.

greg donovan
12-06-2008, 03:42 PM
nah, don't read SI after the tie-ins. either read them concurrently or just leave those tie-ins til last.

agreed. the tie ins are like bonus deleted scenes and stuff. reading SI first wont ruin the fun of the tie ins but reading the tie ins first will ruin the fun of SI.

tom daylight
12-06-2008, 03:46 PM
plus, as I said earlier, if you haven't already read the 50 or so issues of Avengers preceding SI, those Avengers tie-in issues carry far less meaning anyway.

greg donovan
12-06-2008, 03:49 PM
plus, as I said earlier, if you haven't already read the 50 or so issues of Avengers preceding SI, those Avengers tie-in issues carry far less meaning anyway.

especially the events at the end of NA#47 and SI #8.

Maestro
12-06-2008, 03:57 PM
agreed. the tie ins are like bonus deleted scenes and stuff. reading SI first wont ruin the fun of the tie ins but reading the tie ins first will ruin the fun of SI.

No they don't. It's more buildup for the story. They show Nick Fury and what he was doing and why he has those kids with him, all the Skrulls' planning for the invasion, and not to mention a lot reveals that should really be seen before reading SI

Maxwell
12-06-2008, 04:07 PM
No they don't. It's more buildup for the story. They show Nick Fury and what he was doing and why he has those kids with him, all the Skrulls' planning for the invasion, and not to mention a lot reveals that should really be seen before reading SI

Some tie-ins have scenes that take place during SI, so yeah, they would ruin the core series.

bartleby
12-06-2008, 04:12 PM
Some tie-ins have scenes that take place during SI, so yeah, they would ruin the core series.

Yeah, if you read all the tie-ins before reading SECRET INVASION #1-8, it would spoil some stuff. But if you alternate between the main miniseries and all the tie-ins the proper order, it's not a problem.

Maestro
12-06-2008, 04:12 PM
Some tie-ins have scenes that take place during SI, so yeah, they would ruin the core series.

what, the two Savage Land issues? They won't ruin anything.

tom daylight
12-06-2008, 05:55 PM
Maestro, I think you need to go back and re-read those issues and think about the logic of reading them that way round. all the shocking skrull reveals are in the main series. the tie-ins are written in a way that assumes you've read the most recent SI issue. (Hence Bendis' recent topic header when two came out the same week, "read SI 8 before NA 47")

RickLM
12-06-2008, 06:04 PM
This thread is geek heaven.

greg donovan
12-06-2008, 06:05 PM
i would love to see a SI omnibus that collects all the issues as they were shipped.

dEnny!
12-07-2008, 08:33 PM
If you just want Bendis' entire plot for Secret Invasion and his Avengers stuff read.

SI#1-8
NA#40-47
MA#12-20

I'm presuming the latter two will have their own hardcover soon for the SI arcs. Oh and like the above guy said read NA #47 AFTER SI #8.

I'm thoroughly enjoying NA and MA's Secret Invasion issues!

Will
07-19-2009, 09:39 PM
For those of you who visit the CBR boards you may have seen this already but for those who don't maybe this might interest them.

Alright after all the sweat and tears in coming up with an Infiltration reading order, here is my official reading order for the Infiltration via photoshop.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5800/secretinvasioninfiltrat.jpg

First note: These books are Avengers related only and should be read after Avengers the Initiative, Mighty Avengers, and New Avengers finish up their pre-Invasion runs. That way you first get the actual stories and then the actual infiltrations within them.

Second note: These are what books I saw as strictly necessary to the build up to the Invasion and includes pretty much all of the important infiltrations with Veranke, Criti Noll, Elektra, Jarvis, and Dum Dum Dugan among others. They're also in chronological order (or as chronological as they can be).

I couldn't really find a place to fit MA #14 in the infiltrations time line mostly because it's kind of all over the place and it reveals the whole Savage Land scenario of the invasion. It works best after Secret Invasion #2 because we actually see the fate of the Sentry. That being said, MA #14 will definitely slow down the reading pace of the entire SI mini series until it hits that Savage Land portion.

I'll have to make another one for the Secret Invasion itself mini series itself but I'm pretty close.

Will
07-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Here's the written reading order for those who can't see the images too well:

1) New Avengers Illuminati #1 - Kree-Skrull War era, what started it all

2) New Avengers #44 - Directly follow's up King Dorrek's order from end of Illuminati #1 to find a way to infiltrate them.

3) New Avengers #40 - Also a direct follow up to Dorrek's order but from Queen Veranke's POV. We also see the introduction of the scientist Fry'Lu who is also seen in #44 but ultimately survives the Galactus attack. Latter half with full Queen garb Veranke takes place somewhere post Disassembled. Emperor Dorrek has died so Fry'Lu aids Veranke in the infiltration.

4) Mighty Avengers #16 - Flashback is post Enemy of the State, Elektra gets replaced by the Elektra skrull. Weeks later post Disassembled and Queen Veranke has landed on earth to greet the Elektra skrull to put her on her suicide mission.

The meeting between the Elektra Skrull and Queen Veranke is chronologically before Veranke changes into Jessica Drew but thats okay because the upcoming Mighty Avengers #12, New Avengers #42, and New Avengers #45 bounces around continuity after she's changed into Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman.

Can be interchangeable with #40 depending on what you want to read first.

5) Mighty Avengers #12 - Flashback takes place during the Secret War which is no biggie since that's still post Disassembled. Latter half of book has Nick Fury and Spider-Woman (Veranke at this point) talking after the Breakout but before Veranke went to the Savage Land which was before New Avengers #3 but after Cap recounts what happened at the Raft in the beginning of that very same issue.

Chronologically a future scene, I know. But as I've said before, New Avengers #42 and #45 bounce around with little to no allowances to insert issues in between since we go from Veranke's transformation, to the talk with the already embedded Hank Pym (female skrull from Mighty #15 soon to be removed in #17), to the House of M.

6) New Avengers #42 - Opening Flashback from post Disassembled past which has Veranke's transformation into Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew. The massive plan is laid out, skips ahead to the New Avengers continuity of Breakout, into her secret conversation with Viper, and into her conversation with the female Hank Pym skrull, and finally starts the House of M continuity.

7) New Avengers #45 - Continues the House of M continuity. Takes place during House of M and pre-Civil War during the early days of the Annihilation Wave which roughly runs up to and throughout the course of the Civil War.

8 ) Mighty Avengers #13 - Post Civil War, Ares is a Mighty Avenger (as he says to Alexander) and Nick Fury starts recruiting other caterpillars. This is followed up in Mighty Avengers #18 which is not included because of it literally takes place 2 days prior to the events of Secret Invasion #3 and reads better with the main mini than during the infiltration phase.

9) Mighty Avengers #15 - Flashback is after New Avengers #3 given the speculation of the events that transpired in NA #1, 2, and in parts of #3. Hank Pym is replaced by female skrull and the book then flashes forward twice into post Civil War Mighty Avengers continuity. Once at the early stages of the Ultron battle and again in the post Ultron, post WWH continuity which is the Bagley arc before they fight symbiotes and Doom.

10) Mighty Avengers #17 - Takes place post Civil War during the course of WWH (notice the tv in the background constantly showing Hulk in his WWH outfit and reports of NY under attack). While this is in fact earlier than the previously slotted New Avengers #15, it does reveal that the female skrull was replaced by another, perhaps male skrull, in personality and in role as he/she took the name of Criti Noll AND Hank Pym.

The newly replaced Hank Pym skrull is the one that you see in the post Ultron/Word War Hulk Bagley arc approaching Wasp in her designer table and giving her the "growth formula". The female Hank Pym skrull that died was the one who helped out during the Ultron arc, this was also done to somewhat reconcile the error in New Avengers #42 timeline by having Hank Pym become replaced on a more frequent basis.

11) New Avengers Illuminati #5 - Post Civil War and post Ultron arc/skrull Elektra reveal, Tony brings the body of the Elektra skrull to the Illuminati and they are attacked by the new Super Skrulls.

12) Avengers The Initiative Annual #1 - First showing of the 50 State Initiative being infiltrated by skrulls. Roughly around the same time as the Illuminati #5 issue.

13) New Avengers #38 - Post Hood battle from New Avengers Annual #2. Spider-Woman (Veranke) has already defected to the Mighty Avengers, the New Avengers get a new loft, and Black Widow suspects Veranke as Spider-Woman even further after her power display in the Symbiote/Doom arc.

14) New Avengers #39 - Directly after #38, a Super Skrull unsuccessfully tries to abduct and replace Echo. Clint references bandaging Echo's arm which was in the start of the Avengers Annual #2 before being attacked in retaliation by the Hood's group. This is the last we see of the New Avengers as they are before Secret Invasion #1.

15) New Avengers #46 - Takes place post Avengers Annual #2 with the Hood breaking out his captured fellow super villains. Hood finds out about the skrulls infiltration of SHIELD after breaking Madame Masque out. Hood also finds out that his group has been infiltrated after killing the skrull Slug, he burns down the HQ and temporarily disbands the group before seen again in Secret Invasion #4.

16) Avengers The Initative #14 - Criti Noll starts out recounting his infiltration which refers back to the Avengers Initiative Annual #1. Slowly we see other infiltrations start to go into effect in Hawaii and Camp Hammond with the final reveal of 3D Man seeing everyone in skrullo-vision. Takes place right before Secret Invasion #1 and continues with the next issue during and after Secret Invasion #1 and #2's events transpire.

tom daylight
07-20-2009, 01:32 AM
That's not a reading order. That's chronological order. You're not supposed to read them that way round.

Will
07-20-2009, 03:47 AM
That's not a reading order. That's chronological order. You're not supposed to read them that way round.
Yes, it is chronological.

That's why I put those first two notes/disclaimers about them. I'm sure there are other ways to read them but personally I think chronologically is the only way that they make sense as a build up to SI. But as I've said in the notes, it's recommended to be read after reading the lead up to it such as the pre-Invasion New Avengers, Illuminati, Mighty Avengers, Captain Marvel, and Avengers The Initiative books so that it won't spoil the reveals.

tom daylight
07-20-2009, 04:22 AM
You should basically just read them in the order they were published. That's the way they're 'meant' to be read.

WinstonWolf
07-20-2009, 05:04 AM
Welcome to the board. You're going to be spending an awful lot of money on such a daunting task:).

Albert
07-20-2009, 05:07 AM
I wonder whatever happened to badmarru22.

Will
07-20-2009, 08:35 AM
You should basically just read them in the order they were published. That's the way they're 'meant' to be read.
I understand that you have your own idea as to how they should be read but I think its perfectly okay to be open to an order that doesn't strictly follow publishing order because publishing order doesn't always work to the best of its ability.

It's noticeable that a lot of these Secret Invasion books were published out of order, especially when you see the last page of a particular issue say "Elektra next!" when it in fact it has Hank Pym instead. Civil War also had a lot of problems with their publishing order and what takes place after what and all that jazz.

tom daylight
07-20-2009, 11:20 AM
I understand that you have your own idea as to how they should be read but I think its perfectly okay to be open to an order that doesn't strictly follow publishing order because publishing order doesn't always work to the best of its ability.

It's noticeable that a lot of these Secret Invasion books were published out of order, especially when you see the last page of a particular issue say "Elektra next!" when it in fact it has Hank Pym instead. Civil War also had a lot of problems with their publishing order and what takes place after what and all that jazz.

Certain issues, such as those ones, were seemingly interchangeable in terms of the order they could be published in. But reading all the "Secret Invasion" tie-ins before reading SI proper sucks all the fun out of reading the main series (particularly because of spoilers such as who the secret Skrulls are, where the Skrulls got the information that made them indetectable, etc). Reading them in publication order is the only way to truly get the "Secret Invasion experience".

costello
07-20-2009, 11:23 AM
Damn it, why is Enemy of the State such an important run?

Will
07-21-2009, 03:05 PM
Certain issues, such as those ones, were seemingly interchangeable in terms of the order they could be published in. But reading all the "Secret Invasion" tie-ins before reading SI proper sucks all the fun out of reading the main series (particularly because of spoilers such as who the secret Skrulls are, where the Skrulls got the information that made them indetectable, etc). Reading them in publication order is the only way to truly get the "Secret Invasion experience".
I see your point and the way you described certainly works better for a new reader rather than one who's read these books already.

But the event has come and gone so at this point to re-read them in publishing order in order to wait for the reveals in the main mini series seems a little pointless if you already know who's a skrull. Through chronological order you see a cleaner lead up to the infiltrations and a better narrative flow leading into the main invasion as well as the bigger picture revealing their detailed plans from way back in New Avengers.


Damn it, why is Enemy of the State such an important run?
I don't know if it's so much important but it's a great read that involves Elektra heavily and is used as a main reference point regarding her earlier appearances.

WinstonWolf
07-21-2009, 04:42 PM
What characters have been replaced and revealed as Skrulls this entire time other than Mockingbird?

Will
07-21-2009, 04:49 PM
What characters have been replaced and revealed as Skrulls this entire time other than Mockingbird?
Hank Pym, Spider-Woman, Dum Dum Dugan, Jarvis, and Elektra.

There were a few others in Secret Invasion #7 towards the beginning that were a part of Hood's group that were revealed as well.