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Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-13-2008, 10:50 AM
Jets @ Pats tonight


Who thinks Matt Cassel plays for the Jets next year?

Ryudo
11-13-2008, 10:50 AM
Matt Cassell will go to the Chiefs.

RickLM
11-13-2008, 10:51 AM
Yay, another game on a TV network no one gets.

Ryudo
11-13-2008, 10:51 AM
Yay, another game on a TV network no one gets.

Stop calling me names!!!!

*sniff*

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-13-2008, 10:54 AM
Yay, another game on a TV network no one gets.

They play it on the local channels; which is a decent compromise I think. It sucks too, since the NFL network is an awesome channel if you like the NFL.

half guard
11-13-2008, 10:58 AM
Yay, another game on a TV network no one gets.

Not true, I've got DirecTV's sports package. :thumb: :D

Ryudo
11-13-2008, 10:59 AM
DirecTV basic subscribers get it too.

It's one of my favorite networks.

Oh, and: go Jets.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-13-2008, 11:02 AM
Matt Cassell will go to the Chiefs.

Chiefs seem to like Thigpen.

Jonny Z
11-13-2008, 05:07 PM
that's what i'm talkin 'bout Leon Washington!

Ray G.
11-13-2008, 05:09 PM
Oh, yes.

Taxman
11-13-2008, 05:16 PM
Whoever this play by play guy is, not nearly as annoying as Brian Gumbel, but zero energy and enthusiasm.

Also, how the hell did the Bills get to be in last place?

FedEx Fanboy
11-13-2008, 07:31 PM
Wow. God Damn Mother Fucking Pats.

The Jets D should be lined up and shot after that shit... They better win it in OT.

Taxman
11-13-2008, 07:32 PM
I don't really understand NFL rules. The Patriots had a false start with 21 seconds on the clock and no times out remaining. There was no 10 second run-off. When is there a ten second run-off then?

Botelho
11-13-2008, 07:33 PM
There is only a 10 second run off if the clock is running when they have the false start. The clock had been stopped for the spike.

Ray G.
11-13-2008, 07:45 PM
Hahaha! YES! :D

FedEx Fanboy
11-13-2008, 07:46 PM
Thank You Batman!!!

Fuck Tha Pats.

Taxman
11-13-2008, 07:52 PM
There's no more pointless television than a Bill Belichick press conference.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-14-2008, 04:14 AM
Whoever this play by play guy is, not nearly as annoying as Brian Gumbel, but zero energy and enthusiasm.

Also, how the hell did the Bills get to be in last place?

It was Bob Papa, who is the radio voice of the Giants.

RickLM
11-14-2008, 05:22 AM
It's silly that the NFL Network isn't available on so many cable packages. I would have liked to have seen last night's game.

Ryudo
11-14-2008, 05:51 AM
Ha. Awesome victory. I would love to see Miami step all over the Pats in the division this year.

ArttyG12
11-14-2008, 06:12 AM
So who would have guessed that the AFC East would be one of only two divisions without a team below .500 this late into the season?

Jonny Z
11-14-2008, 06:26 AM
So who would have guessed that the AFC East would be one of only two divisions without a team below .500 this late into the season?

well, the pats are the pats- even without brady they're still pretty good. The bills were predicted to have a good season this year (although they're slowly falling apart). the Jets improved as well although no one (not even us fans) really truly thought we'd be in sole posession of first this late in the season, and the fins had nowhere to go but up :)

Taxman
11-14-2008, 07:29 AM
It was Bob Papa, who is the radio voice of the Giants.I trust he is more energetic in that role.

Taxman
11-14-2008, 07:32 AM
It's silly that the NFL Network isn't available on so many cable packages. I would have liked to have seen last night's game.Gotta disagree here. Non sports viewing cable subscribers get saddled with the fees charged by these specialty sports channels whose number and fees never cease to increase. It is completely unfair, and programming options should have been expanded years ago.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 09:20 AM
Big Blue continuing to run at will on anyone.

Brewtown Andy
11-16-2008, 09:37 AM
Joe Buck is painfully stupid.

"Packers lead 1-0 in Lambeau Leaps so far today."

Smokinblues
11-16-2008, 09:39 AM
for the second week in a row the local fox affialiate is asleep at the wheel and not showing the game in HD. must be hard finding competent employees at tv stations.

Ray G.
11-16-2008, 09:40 AM
Holy hell. :lol:

Damn shame the Giants slept through that game with the Browns early in the season. They're playing so well we'd be talking undefeated season right about now.

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 09:42 AM
Gotta disagree here. Non sports viewing cable subscribers get saddled with the fees charged by these specialty sports channels whose number and fees never cease to increase. It is completely unfair, and programming options should have been expanded years ago.

Ala carte!

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 09:42 AM
damn Colts are so scared of Mario Williams, Peyton is just dumping it off to the backs the whole game :no:

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 09:44 AM
damn Colts are so scared of Mario Williams, Peyton is just dumping it off to the backs the whole game :no:

Well, they drafted Mario Williams specifically to deal with Manning. At least one thing the Texans did was bound to go right.

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 09:47 AM
Is it too early for Ryudo and his playoff predictions?

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 09:47 AM
Well, they drafted Mario Williams specifically to deal with Manning. At least one thing the Texans did was bound to go right.

Demeco Ryans and Dunta Robinson were solid picks.

Andre Johnson might be the best receiver in the NFL right now.

but all in all you are right. Charlie Casserly (former GM) really screwed the Texans.

But, their young defense and great offense signals great things to come.

lonesomefool
11-16-2008, 09:48 AM
Demeco Ryans and Dunta Robinson were solid picks.

Andre Johnson might be the best receiver in the NFL right now.

but all in all you are right. Charlie Casserly (former GM) really screwed the Texans.

But, their young defense and great offense signals great things to come.

Can it really be a great offense if you dont have a running game?

:mistrust:

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 09:49 AM
Can it really be a great offense if you dont have a running game?

:mistrust:

The rookie Steve Slaton is having a really good year. They just need a compliment back.

At one time, they had the 4th best offense in the league. Not sure what it is right now.

ThisSpaceForRent
11-16-2008, 09:50 AM
Is it too early for Ryudo and his playoff predictions?

He's got Oakland and San Francisco in the Super Bowl.

somehow Jacksonville wins by 23

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 09:51 AM
He's got Oakland and San Francisco in the Super Bowl.

somehow Jacksonville wins by 23

:lol:

Ray G.
11-16-2008, 09:54 AM
Is it too early for Ryudo and his playoff predictions?

I'm hoping for an NY/NY Super Bowl, and I think it's entirely possible, but it'll probably be Giants/Titans.

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 09:55 AM
I'm hoping for an NY/NY Super Bowl, and I think it's entirely possible, but it'll probably be Giants/Titans.

Cowboys/Titans!

Ray G.
11-16-2008, 09:57 AM
Cowboys/Titans!

...Cowboys. :lol:

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 10:00 AM
...cowboys. :lol:

just wait!

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 10:02 AM
He's got Oakland and San Francisco in the Super Bowl.

somehow Jacksonville wins by 23

lol

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 10:04 AM
just wait!

for what? A team which is horrifically run and put together to somehow buck all logic and win 4 playoff games?


It's no accident that the cowboys have been an absolute joke since Jimmy Johnson left. Jerry Jones is like Al Davis but with an even less impressive football resume.


Get your ring finger ready, for the Dallas/Fort Worth Golf Pro-Am.

lonesomefool
11-16-2008, 10:10 AM
The rookie Steve Slaton is having a really good year. They just need a compliment back.

At one time, they had the 4th best offense in the league. Not sure what it is right now.

Slayton is better at swing passes out of the backfield though, he isnt piling up most of his yards on the ground. They need him or someone to be able to get tough yards and control the clock. They dont have that.

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 10:49 AM
Slayton is better at swing passes out of the backfield though, he isnt piling up most of his yards on the ground. They need him or someone to be able to get tough yards and control the clock. They dont have that.

Slaton's average yards per carry is pretty good, but you are correct. They do need that big back for the two back system that everyone has nowadays.

Taxman
11-16-2008, 10:54 AM
Last night Alabama had a 5-0 lead. Right now, the Raiders are losing 7-5. This kinda makes me wonder whether they know they are playing football.

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 10:54 AM
Speaking of Slaton, a 71 yard td run :)

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 11:01 AM
Last night Alabama had a 5-0 lead. Right now, the Raiders are losing 7-5. This kinda makes me wonder whether they know they are playing football.

http://static.nfl.com/static/site/img/rulebook/signals/referee-safety.gif

Kingsumo
11-16-2008, 11:02 AM
Much love to Brandon Marshall for pulling a first down out of a bad situation :D

Taxman
11-16-2008, 11:09 AM
Da Bears is da suck.

Essentially we have a division where everyone is under .500 because a win against The Lions shouldn't really be counted.

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 11:11 AM
Da Bears is da suck.

Essentially we have a division where everyone is under .500 because a win against The Lions shouldn't really be counted.

Not only are the Bears making me furious in real life, I decided to sit Grant against the mighty Bears Run Stopping D!

STOP FUCKING ME OVER, BEARS!

:hulk:

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 11:15 AM
Ravens are creeping back into this game...

jamestolliver
11-16-2008, 11:17 AM
Ravens are creeping back into this game...

don't worry. I'm sure we'll screw it up.

jamestolliver
11-16-2008, 11:18 AM
don't worry. I'm sure we'll screw it up.

it's like I can see the future.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 11:18 AM
don't worry. I'm sure we'll screw it up.

There you go.

Aaron Ross for 6 points off Flacco.


BIG BLUE WRECKING CREW!!!

Your Pal, Carl
11-16-2008, 11:24 AM
I don't care how many shots of Al Davis in the owners box they show, I'm still not convinced he's still living.

jamestolliver
11-16-2008, 11:30 AM
I think the Raven's are trying really hard to lose this game.

Taxman
11-16-2008, 11:37 AM
I don't care how many shots of Al Davis in the owners box they show, I'm still not convinced he's still living.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/Custom%20Gifs/motivator4204270.jpg

Taxman
11-16-2008, 11:48 AM
This is the thing that I don't understand.

Local Fox aired Green Bay and the Bears. The game got out of hand, so they cut away to Tampa.

Local CBS aired Baltimore and The Giants. The game got out of hand, and they cut away to Atlanta.

When Fox airs The Giants, it does not matter how much of a lopsided contest the game is. The Giants could get crushed, the Giants could blow their opponent out. That station will stay with that game to the bitter end, until the handshake. I have seen this time and time again. I just don't know what sort of explanation there could be for this.

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 12:01 PM
Rosenfels! :-x

When is Schaub coming back :sad:

Taxman
11-16-2008, 12:04 PM
Sage Rosenfels?

:rock:

JamesV
11-16-2008, 12:10 PM
This is the thing that I don't understand.

Local Fox aired Green Bay and the Bears. The game got out of hand, so they cut away to Tampa.

Local CBS aired Baltimore and The Giants. The game got out of hand, and they cut away to Atlanta.

When Fox airs The Giants, it does not matter how much of a lopsided contest the game is. The Giants could get crushed, the Giants could blow their opponent out. That station will stay with that game to the bitter end, until the handshake. I have seen this time and time again. I just don't know what sort of explanation there could be for this.

No explanation that I would like.

Asshats.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 12:11 PM
This is the thing that I don't understand.

Local Fox aired Green Bay and the Bears. The game got out of hand, so they cut away to Tampa.

Local CBS aired Baltimore and The Giants. The game got out of hand, and they cut away to Atlanta.

When Fox airs The Giants, it does not matter how much of a lopsided contest the game is. The Giants could get crushed, the Giants could blow their opponent out. That station will stay with that game to the bitter end, until the handshake. I have seen this time and time again. I just don't know what sort of explanation there could be for this.

You're in the Las Vegas market right? It's probably because there are a lot of transplants from NY/NJ in Vegas?

Roman Noodles
11-16-2008, 12:11 PM
Darn you Vikes and Lions. So close to being the best day ever . . . :mad:

Brian Defferding
11-16-2008, 12:11 PM
Hands down, the Pack's best game thus far. Just totally leveled the Bears, domination from all sides of the game. :boogie:

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 12:12 PM
Hands down, the Pack's best game thus far. Just totally leveled the Bears, domination from all sides of the game. :boogie:

:-x

JamesV
11-16-2008, 12:13 PM
You're in the Las Vegas market right? It's probably because there are a lot of transplants from NY/NJ in Vegas?

It's the same thing down here. I've never seen Fox cut away from a Giants game in either Austin or Dallas-Fort Worth.

Brian Defferding
11-16-2008, 12:15 PM
:-x

Missing the Brett Favre days yet? :)

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 12:16 PM
Missing the Brett Favre days yet? :)

Missing the Bears having a good D days!

Brian Defferding
11-16-2008, 12:22 PM
Missing the Bears having a good D days!

I bet. Urlacher had the only good play.

Raphael J
11-16-2008, 12:24 PM
That was a hell of an interception.

Your Pal, Carl
11-16-2008, 12:55 PM
First Tie game in 6 years. :D

RebootedCorpse
11-16-2008, 01:02 PM
My God. The Lions are really gonna do it...

bartleby
11-16-2008, 01:23 PM
My God. The Lions are really gonna do it...

Don't get my hopes up. It's only been a year since I had my heart broke by the Miami Dolphins.

Your Pal, Carl
11-16-2008, 01:25 PM
My God. The Lions are really gonna do it...

Yeah, I'm not seeing where that one win is going to come from. Minnesota at home in week 14? Their next three are at home. If they can't win any of those 0-16 will probably happen.

RebootedCorpse
11-16-2008, 01:26 PM
Don't get my hopes up. It's only been a year since I had my heart broke by the Miami Dolphins.

I need something to not believe in!

FedEx Fanboy
11-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Rosenfels! :-x

When is Schaub coming back :sad:

Pwned AGAIN!!!

Go Colts!

Brewtown Andy
11-16-2008, 01:43 PM
Missing the Brett Favre days yet? :)Not in the slightest.

Although last night during the UFC show, the couple of Packer fans I had over were pointing out the silver lining of if the Packers tank out the rest of the season, then Ted Thompson has to go.

Patch
11-16-2008, 01:48 PM
Vikes and Bears down. The Pack up.

Good day for the cheese!

Your Pal, Carl
11-16-2008, 03:25 PM
Andy Reid doesn't know how ties work in the standings and Donovan McNabb wasn't aware that ties were in the rulebook.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2008 Philadelphia Eagles.

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 03:30 PM
Pwned AGAIN!!!

Go Colts!

using PWNED in football is against the man-laws :)

however, once again, you barely beat a team without its best players in the game.

Taxman
11-16-2008, 03:36 PM
Don't get my hopes up. It's only been a year since I had my heart broke by the Miami Dolphins.If only Sage Rosenfels played for the Lions. This guy really has everything a team needs to lead them to a perfect season. Tom Brady, eat your heart out!

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 03:37 PM
If only Sage Rosenfels played for the Lions. This guy really has everything a team needs to lead them to a perfect season. Tom Brady, eat your heart out!

Only Sage can play a near perfect game and then suck in the last 2 minutes of every game.

of course thats why he is a backup

Patch
11-16-2008, 03:45 PM
however, once again, you barely beat a team without its best players in the game.

Bah, we were just trying to give you Texans a chance. Couldn't keep dropping passes ALL day.

Taxman
11-16-2008, 03:57 PM
I have to assume that any doubts anyone may have had regarding the incompetance of the NFL officials was alleviated by the actives at the closing of today's game in Pittsburgh.

jason hissong
11-16-2008, 03:58 PM
i have to assume that any doubts anyone may have had regarding the incompetance of the nfl officials was alleviated by the actives at the closing of today's game in pittsburgh.

that play, if it stood, would have won me my fucking fantasy week!

Taxman
11-16-2008, 03:59 PM
using PWNED in football is against the man-laws :)Using the term "man-laws" is against the Jinxworld forum rules, Trace.

usagi20
11-16-2008, 04:14 PM
Andy Reid doesn't know how ties work in the standings and Donovan McNabb wasn't aware that ties were in the rulebook.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2008 Philadelphia Eagles.

We may have three teams from the NFC East in the playoffs, but the Eagles will be the odd team out.

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 04:16 PM
Bah, we were just trying to give you Texans a chance. Couldn't keep dropping passes ALL day.

you dropped 6 passes in the 1st quarter. You just couldn't stop an offense under a backup quarterback until he made one of his stupid 4th quarter interceptions.

Patch
11-16-2008, 04:22 PM
you dropped 6 passes in the 1st quarter. You just couldn't stop an offense under a backup quarterback until he made one of his stupid 4th quarter interceptions.

Shit, Addai danced through your guys like they were a field of flowers.

CougarTrace
11-16-2008, 04:23 PM
Shit, Addai danced through your guys like they were a field of flowers.

not as much as Slaton danced through your defense ;)

and he should with all the little dump passes from Peyton being scared of Mario

Patch
11-16-2008, 04:35 PM
not as much as Slaton danced through your defense ;)

and he should with all the little dump passes from Peyton being scared of Mario

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/13/l_ac91c38286914036b1c18a80d1100daa.jpg

Briomega
11-16-2008, 04:37 PM
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/13/l_ac91c38286914036b1c18a80d1100daa.jpg

:lol:

ArttyG12
11-16-2008, 04:56 PM
you dropped 6 passes in the 1st quarter. You just couldn't stop an offense under a backup quarterback until he made one of his stupid 4th quarter interceptions.

Is it fair to call him a backup quarterback when the "starter" has never shown he's capable of starting more than 11 games a season? As much as I like Slaton, the Colts are a notably better team.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 07:18 PM
not as much as Slaton danced through your defense ;)

and he should with all the little dump passes from Peyton being scared of Mario

Dude, you're bragging to the fan of your division rival who OWNS, like absolutely OWNS your team. UBER LAME.

lonesomefool
11-16-2008, 07:22 PM
They really need to stop interviewing guys after games. It's such a waste. Jay Ratliff just expounded on how the Cowboys had their backs against the wall and they went out and played loose this week.

Every fucking interview is the same. Yuck.

Also, Tim Ryan needs to get off Jeff Garcia's cock. He sucked it so hard this week it was sad, anybody who watched the Vikes/Bucs game knows what I am talking about. They made Garcia out to be a fucking MVP, like he was on the level of Brady or Peyton, ignoring the fact he plays behind a good O-line, has a really good coach, his team's defense has been very good for a decade now and they run the ball well with the ageless one, Warrick Dunn.

Jeff Garcia is a decent quarterback, nothing more.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-16-2008, 07:32 PM
Jeff Garcia is a decent quarterback, nothing more.

That's just silly, he's had a nice career.

Taxman
11-16-2008, 08:15 PM
Donovan McNabb sounds like an idiot.

FedEx Fanboy
11-16-2008, 09:42 PM
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/13/l_ac91c38286914036b1c18a80d1100daa.jpg

You sir are my new favorite Benbo posters!!!

:)

Bill!
11-16-2008, 09:44 PM
Damn Vikings. Almost had first place today by ourselves.

HOOKS
11-16-2008, 09:53 PM
Andy Reid doesn't know how ties work in the standings and Donovan McNabb wasn't aware that ties were in the rulebook.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2008 Philadelphia Eagles.

Don't remind me.

HOOKS
11-16-2008, 09:53 PM
Donovan McNabb sounds like an idiot.

Don't remind me.

changingshades
11-17-2008, 03:22 AM
First Tie game in 6 years. :D

that does make me smile

CougarTrace
11-17-2008, 04:52 AM
Is it fair to call him a backup quarterback when the "starter" has never shown he's capable of starting more than 11 games a season? As much as I like Slaton, the Colts are a notably better team.

never said the Colts weren't a better team. Of course they are, but if he says they are killing us well that isn't correct.

CougarTrace
11-17-2008, 04:53 AM
Dude, you're bragging to the fan of your division rival who OWNS, like absolutely OWNS your team. UBER LAME.

let me see. It was the colts fans who were bragging about killing the Texans. I was just pointing that wasn't the case.

And since the Texans have been in existence, the Colts have been killing most teams.

ThisSpaceForRent
11-17-2008, 05:59 AM
Donovan McNabb sounds like an idiot.

That's because he IS an idiot.

Ryudo
11-17-2008, 06:10 AM
And since the Texans have been in existence, they have sucked.

Fixed.

ArttyG12
11-17-2008, 06:11 AM
They really need to stop interviewing guys after games. It's such a waste. Jay Ratliff just expounded on how the Cowboys had their backs against the wall and they went out and played loose this week.

Every fucking interview is the same. Yuck.

Also, Tim Ryan needs to get off Jeff Garcia's cock. He sucked it so hard this week it was sad, anybody who watched the Vikes/Bucs game knows what I am talking about. They made Garcia out to be a fucking MVP, like he was on the level of Brady or Peyton, ignoring the fact he plays behind a good O-line, has a really good coach, his team's defense has been very good for a decade now and they run the ball well with the ageless one, Warrick Dunn.

Jeff Garcia is a decent quarterback, nothing more.

Um, Brady and Manning usually both have great O-lines, good-to-great coaches, very good defenses (at least recently for Manning), and good running games. I wouldn't put Garcia on their level at all, but those aren't exactly compelling reasons not to.

CougarTrace
11-17-2008, 06:13 AM
Fixed.

Well, the Jaguars don't like to play them though ;)

Taxman
11-17-2008, 07:34 AM
That's because he IS an idiot.I am not gonna go that far, but I do not think it is too much to expect from someone who has been one of the top quarterbacks in the league for almost a decade to understand some of the basic rules in place. Overtime was brand new when he started playing college ball, how could he not have known that. But the statement about what people will think when the Super Bowl ends in a tie, damn. I can not even understand where a statement like that is coming from.

Taxman
11-17-2008, 07:35 AM
Well, the Jaguars don't like to play them though ;)Are they picking on your Texans, Trace?

Who is it? We will bust them up!

CougarTrace
11-17-2008, 07:40 AM
hey, its all just fun sports taunting :)

Besides, with our young Defensive and up and coming offense, the joking will soon subside :)

Jet
11-17-2008, 07:48 AM
Norv Turner is a disaster and as a Bronco fan, I'm happy he's in SD as now we can win a division title with a mediocre team.

Taxman
11-17-2008, 08:16 AM
hey, its all just fun sports taunting :)

Besides, with our young Defensive and up and coming offense, the joking will soon subside :)The Texans will never be The Lions.

Taxman
11-17-2008, 10:17 AM
I have watched that last play from Pittsburgh a number of times. I see nothing which looks at all like an illegal forward pass.

Now, I hear that Nevada casinos gained $64 million on that call.

That is just the legal betting, which is trackable. It is a very small percentage of the total amounts being bet on the NFL.

Do others see an illegal forward pass in that play? Does anyone else find the whole situation a bit unsettling?

Ryudo
11-17-2008, 10:21 AM
Norv Turner is a disaster and as a Bronco fan, I'm happy he's in SD as now we can win a division title with a mediocre team.

In both the West divisions (AFC and NFC), a team can easily win the division with an 8-8 record, which I expect the Broncos to do.

Ray G.
11-17-2008, 10:28 AM
And with a four-game lead with six to play...the Arizona Cardinals. :lol:

ArttyG12
11-17-2008, 10:37 AM
In both the West divisions (AFC and NFC), a team can easily win the division with an 8-8 record, which I expect the Broncos to do.

And any team that does should give up its playoff spot to an extra, better Wild Card team.

Ryudo
11-17-2008, 11:07 AM
And any team that does should give up its playoff spot to an extra, better Wild Card team.

You may think that and I may think that, but that's not the way the system works, unfortunately.

An 8-8 division "winner" getting the nod over a team with a better record (even if it's 9-7) is just silly.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-17-2008, 11:26 AM
I disagree with the notion that an 8-8 division winner shouldn't get into the playoffs. If you like the BCS then watch College Football.

Look at the NFC North this year--these teams are beating the crap out of each other, why shouldn't the winner go to the playoffs? Besides, how many 8-8 division winners have their been? I can't think of one. I can think of 8-8 wildcard teams (the '06 Giants for instance) but can't think of one 8-8 division winner ever.

Patch
11-17-2008, 11:32 AM
Cards - Titans Superbowl.

Nobody shows up to watch.

Ray G.
11-17-2008, 11:43 AM
Cards - Titans Superbowl.

Nobody shows up to watch.

No way do the Cards beat the Giants.

Patch
11-17-2008, 11:45 AM
No way do the Cards beat the Giants.

It's not a prediction, I was just thinking how that match up would go over.

Ray G.
11-17-2008, 11:50 AM
It's not a prediction, I was just thinking how that match up would go over.

Pretty much.

The NFC is really weak, though. Cardinals and Panthers might put up a decent fight, but I can't see any of them stopping the Giants right now.

AFC should be a good fight, though.

ArttyG12
11-17-2008, 11:54 AM
I disagree with the notion that an 8-8 division winner shouldn't get into the playoffs. If you like the BCS then watch College Football.

Look at the NFC North this year--these teams are beating the crap out of each other, why shouldn't the winner go to the playoffs? Besides, how many 8-8 division winners have their been? I can't think of one. I can think of 8-8 wildcard teams (the '06 Giants for instance) but can't think of one 8-8 division winner ever.

The way I see it, if the best team in a division finishes 8 and 8, its because the team's in the division weren't good enough to beat the non-division teams.

Picture this hypothetical:
Cowboys: 12-4, Wild Card
Redskins: 12-4
Bucs: 13-3 Wild Card
Bears: 8-8, division winners

I'd think the Redskins or Cowboys in this scenario are more worthy of a playoff spot than the Bears. Instead one of the two NFC East teams is out because of their division record, despite playing in a clearly better division.

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-17-2008, 12:39 PM
The way I see it, if the best team in a division finishes 8 and 8, its because the team's in the division weren't good enough to beat the non-division teams.

Picture this hypothetical:
Cowboys: 12-4, Wild Card
Redskins: 12-4
Bucs: 13-3 Wild Card
Bears: 8-8, division winners

I'd think the Redskins or Cowboys in this scenario are more worthy of a playoff spot than the Bears. Instead one of the two NFC East teams is out because of their division record, despite playing in a clearly better division.

I see your point, I still disagree though.


Regardless, can you name a division winner who went 8-8 ever? If it's happened, I don't think it's happened more than once or twice. Hardly reason to change the playoff system.

Again, if you go to a seeding system, why even have divisions?

Taxman
11-17-2008, 12:41 PM
I see your point, I still disagree though.


Regardless, can you name a division winner who went 8-8 ever? If it's happened, I don't think it's happened more than once or twice. Hardly reason to change the playoff system.

Again, if you go to a seeding system, why even have divisions?There was some movement only a couple of years ago to try and remove conference considerations from the wild card selection process. How silly does that look now?

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-17-2008, 12:42 PM
There was some movement only a couple of years ago to try and remove conference considerations from the wild card selection process. How silly does that look now?


Silly!

ArttyG12
11-17-2008, 12:54 PM
I see your point, I still disagree though.


Regardless, can you name a division winner who went 8-8 ever? If it's happened, I don't think it's happened more than once or twice. Hardly reason to change the playoff system.

Again, if you go to a seeding system, why even have divisions?

I can't name a team that's won a division at 8-8 or worse, but that's sorta the point - no team has ever been that bad and still win a division. It shows how small a change it would be to the playoff system - its possible it wouldn't have affected any other past season. There's already what's essentially a seeding system for the wild cards.

To expand on my example, look at the Buccaneers season. They beat the Packers, the Vikings and the Bears. Any one of those teams could go 8-8 (or worse) and win the division. The Buccaneers could go 12-4 and conceivably miss the playoffs, while a team they beat could go 8-8 and make the playoffs.

It'll never happen, but I think they should change the rule: "If you're not good enough to be better than .500, you don't get into the playoffs."

RickLM
11-17-2008, 01:25 PM
It'll never happen, but I think they should change the rule: "If you're not good enough to be better than .500, you don't get into the playoffs."


There have been 9-7 teams that get in to the playoffs over other teams with better records. That's life.

Patrick J
11-17-2008, 02:09 PM
How did McNabb not know that there are ties in the NFL? He's been in Pro Football for 10 years!?!

And he says "I'd hate to see if that happened in the Superbowl or the Playoffs"

!?!

Is he serious?

Your Pal, Carl
11-17-2008, 03:18 PM
How did McNabb not know that there are ties in the NFL? He's been in Pro Football for 10 years!?!

And he says "I'd hate to see if that happened in the Superbowl or the Playoffs"

!?!

Is he serious?

Hilariously, yes, he's serious.

ArttyG12
11-17-2008, 03:43 PM
How did McNabb not know that there are ties in the NFL? He's been in Pro Football for 10 years!?!

And he says "I'd hate to see if that happened in the Superbowl or the Playoffs"

!?!

Is he serious?

A friend of a friend (for serious) went to Syracuse with him and said he's, well, not smart.

RickLM
11-17-2008, 03:46 PM
I just saw the videotape on ESPN, and yes, McNabb had no idea that games can end in ties after one OT period. Unreal.

usagi20
11-17-2008, 04:28 PM
Great. Now someone has to explain to him that in the post-season, it wouldn't end in a tie; they would keep playing until someone scored.

Patrick J
11-17-2008, 04:32 PM
A friend of a friend (for serious) went to Syracuse with him and said he's, well, not smart.

Strange how sometimes... players that would otherwise appear to be reasonably intelligent prove to be... well, stupid. On the flip side once in awhile there are players who you would absolutely think are retarded but wind up being quite smart.

Not to sound like I have a man-crush on the Giants or anything, but one of my co-workers went to college with NY Giants #91, Justin Tuck, and is still really good friends with him apparently. And she tells me the other day; "if you were to talk to him you'd never get past the way he talks and you'd probably assume he's damn near retarded. But he's actually really smart."

bartleby
11-17-2008, 04:34 PM
Great. Now someone has to explain to him that in the post-season, it wouldn't end in a tie; they would keep playing until someone scored.

Yeah, of everything he said, the idea that the rules would allow for a tie in either a playoff game or during the Super Bowl is probably the most idiotic. What does he think would happen in that scenario?

Patrick J
11-17-2008, 04:44 PM
Yeah, of everything he said, the idea that the rules would allow for a tie in either a playoff game or during the Super Bowl is probably the most idiotic. What does he think would happen in that scenario?

McNabb strikes me as a holy-roller, for some reason. So I'm assuming he believes Roger Goodell would whip out a baby or something and threaten to cut it in half until the coach of one of the teams forfeits, and then award that coach's team with the victory.

Taxman
11-17-2008, 04:46 PM
Not to sound like I have a man-crush on the Giants or anything . . . but . . . but . . . you do


Yeah, of everything he said, the idea that the rules would allow for a tie in either a playoff game or during the Super Bowl is probably the most idiotic. What does he think would happen in that scenario?It would all be decided in Honolulu.

Patrick J
11-17-2008, 04:49 PM
but . . . but . . . you do

Well yeah... not every player though. Some of those dude's are far too hairy and bulky for me.

Patch
11-17-2008, 04:49 PM
From Bruce Feldman's article When Words Get In the Way (ESPN magazine):

"On some college football teams, as many as one-third of the players are LD (learning disabled). By comparison, the U.S. Department of Education estimates that just 5% of public-school students are classified as learning disabled.

College gridirons have always been filled with borderline students, some certainly with learning disabilities. Decades ago, it was easy enough for teams to shuttle kids through school with a menu of cake courses. (Rocks for Jocks, anyone?) Then, in the early '90s, when the NCAA started to pay closer heed to enrollment practices, more athletically gifted, academically challenged players went to junior colleges to improve their grades.

The game changed again in 1998, when a learning-disabled college prospect named Toure Butler won an Americans With Disabilities Act lawsuit against the NCAA, which wouldn't recognize high school courses modified to accommodate LD students. The NCAA feared that permitting note-takers, extended test-taking time and specialized tutors would create an environment ripe for abuse, especially at schools where the overriding priority is getting—and keeping—top jocks on the field. Such fears were justified: Many college teams test for learning disabilities, but some blur guidelines by purposely misdiagnosing LD in some players. Although unless reported, these transgressions are impossible to police."

jason hissong
11-17-2008, 04:54 PM
Edwards has two picks on his first two drives.

Awesome.

bartleby
11-17-2008, 04:58 PM
It would all be decided in Honolulu.

I mean, you could do that with the Super Bowl, but how would the playoffs work if one of the early round games ended in a tie? One of the teams has to advance to the next round.

half guard
11-17-2008, 05:29 PM
Edwards has two picks on his first two drives.

Awesome.

3 for 3, baby! :D

divinus
11-17-2008, 05:30 PM
3 for 3, baby! :D

Hey, that looks familiar. :(

Taxman
11-17-2008, 05:39 PM
I mean, you could do that with the Super Bowl, but how would the playoffs work if one of the early round games ended in a tie? One of the teams has to advance to the next round.The best solution would be to create an all-star squad from the two teams who tied and let them take on the new opponent.

This McNabb guy can come up with some pretty creative stuff.

jason hissong
11-17-2008, 05:40 PM
Beast mode!

RickLM
11-17-2008, 05:42 PM
The Browns need to learn how to tackle.

Taxman
11-17-2008, 05:54 PM
There are a number of fan sets in the NFL which are quite amusing. Bill Fan is just about as good as the rest of them. Every new QB is the second coming of Joe Montana, and he is destined to take them to a surprise Super Bowl. By the middle of many of these seasons, Bill Fan is working on building a guillotine for the guy.

FedEx Fanboy
11-17-2008, 06:40 PM
Trent Edwards is a FUCKING BUM.

How do you have one of the best receivers in the league and only complete 6 passes to him in 3 games!?!

I know their O-Line sucks, but damn... They need a new Offensive Coordinator or something.

HOOKS
11-17-2008, 06:47 PM
How did McNabb not know that there are ties in the NFL? He's been in Pro Football for 10 years!?!

And he says "I'd hate to see if that happened in the Superbowl or the Playoffs"

!?!

Is he serious?

Don't remind me.

It's hard being an Eagles fan.

RickLM
11-17-2008, 07:06 PM
The Browns score and then give up a kick-off TD.

Then the Bills kick-off goes out of bounds and the Browns have great field position.

These teams are a mess.

RickLM
11-17-2008, 07:08 PM
Yes, you can blame the Bills linebacker for the late hit, Mike Tirico.

Taxman
11-17-2008, 07:29 PM
I am not sure about this, but I think that was the first correct replay review this season.

Brewtown Andy
11-17-2008, 09:40 PM
http://cdn.kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com-s1.simplecdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/kellyface.jpg

Dood Lee
11-17-2008, 11:59 PM
Strange how sometimes... players that would otherwise appear to be reasonably intelligent prove to be... well, stupid. On the flip side once in awhile there are players who you would absolutely think are retarded but wind up being quite smart.

Not to sound like I have a man-crush on the Giants or anything, but one of my co-workers went to college with NY Giants #91, Justin Tuck, and is still really good friends with him apparently. And she tells me the other day; "if you were to talk to him you'd never get past the way he talks and you'd probably assume he's damn near retarded. But he's actually really smart."

Tuck was a DE for Notre Dame, so yes, I would assume that he is in fact pretty smart. At least, smarter than your average football player.

Dr. Blasphemy
11-18-2008, 03:50 AM
http://cdn.kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com-s1.simplecdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/kellyface.jpg

I HATE Jim Kelly! and that's awesome...
I still think the Browns suck, and they break my heart every week- even when they win like this week when they dont deserve to win.

Romeo must go!

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
11-18-2008, 07:08 AM
http://cdn.kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com-s1.simplecdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/kellyface.jpg

Say what you will about Jim Kelly, the man was a warrior.

jason hissong
11-18-2008, 07:49 AM
Wide right.

Brewtown Andy
11-18-2008, 08:34 AM
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Ryudo
11-18-2008, 08:39 AM
Huh.

The Browns have the same record as the Jaguars.

:surrend:

Ryudo
11-18-2008, 08:45 AM
Also:


Once again, it’s Green Week at NBC. Yes, from the people who brought you Earth Day, and Earth Hour, and Compost Week, and Drink-Your-Own-Urine Fortnight, comes a week where NBC personalities lecture you about just how wasteful and shitty a human being you are. I’m excited for random PSA’s from Hayden Panettiere where she tells me to not purchase bottled water while I mute the TV to gaze longingly at her supple hips.

Well, we at KSK are no strangers to environmental awareness. Why, just last week, I decided to start eating Velveeta again, in a brave attempt to help rid the world of all harmful BPA plastic byproducts. I also started throwing my empty beer cans directly in the forest behind my house. Some lucky centipedes now have a community of cylindrical townhomes to live in. Ecosystem: impoved.

The gents at Football Night in America also got in on the action. Tiki Barber said he was helping save the environment by using mass transit (though rumor has it he gets frustrated with the conductor and quits the train right before it reaches its destination). Cris Collinsworth said he walks to work, though I don’t know why he wouldn’t just spread his giant buzzard wings and fly in. And Keith Olbermann said his girlfriend (or hooker he ordered for the evening) makes him recycle shit. Well, thank God. These men are fucking VISIONARIES. How would our precious atmosphere survive without them doing the everyday, eco-friendly shit they probably would have done anyway?

So, in the spirit of Green Week, we again present to you all the myriad ways in which prominent NFL figures are helping to save the planet.

Joey Porter: Feeds garbage to his dogs

Travis Henry: Recycles all condoms

Tatum Bell: Buys none of his own clothes

Ben Roethlisberger: Doesn’t buy books

Joe Flacco: Stares down global warming when he drops back

Chris Hovan: Overpursues environmental agenda

William Clay Ford: Burns tires

Terrell Owens: Only bathes in organic popcorn

Jerry Jones: Now only holds extramarital affairs via company hang glider

Kurt Warner: Thanks Gaia, Spirit of the Earth, after key first down

Donovan McNabb: Did not know there was global warming. WHEN DID THIS SHIT HAPPEN?!

Keith Olbermann: Plans very important, overly melodramatic “special comment”, berating all of you for failing to save the planet, then will take private plane to exclusive dolphin-grilling brothel/restaurant

Al Davis: Denies existence of climate crisis, then denies existence of planet itself

Warren Moon: Beats wife only using biodegradable soap in hemp sock

Eagles and Bengals: Play so poorly that you’re convinced you won’t miss the world once it’s gone

Brady Quinn: Plans to harness vast energy expended to vigorously hide homosexuality

Tiki Barber: Uses teeth to provide much needed light source

Willis McGahee: Convinces industrial sector to follow his example and underproduce waste

Emmitt Smith: Will pull up all the stocks to beat climax change

Daunte Culpepper: Plans to stop consuming 55% of world’s food supply

Hines Ward: WHIRR WOLK HODDER IN LICE PADDIES! YOU RAZY MERICANS NO WOLK HOD!

Brett Favre: Will cause massive oil slick, then be praised by Peter King for cleaning up half of it

Mike Singletary: Will angrily give Congress “the red eye”

Reggie Bush: Will use girlfriend’s ass for energy-saving insulation

WillieLee
11-19-2008, 08:51 PM
I can't believe how the New York Football Giants fell apart.