Presidential Debate #2: 10/07/08

[Criden]

I think this is worthy of its own thread. Starts in 15 minutes!

[Mylazycat]

*settles in*

[Ashwin Pande]

Is he talking about a bear smelling a fart?

[jamestolliver]

:lol: yes, ashwin...it's a traditional american custom.

[Criden]

Blah blah donna brazile...zzzzsnorkzzzzzzz

[JoshM]

I hope McCain winks and flirts with the camera.

[Maxwell]

Is there going to be a steam online?

[Ashwin Pande]

8 minutes of quiet on tv is unbearable.

[jamestolliver]

Is there going to be a steam online?

http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

I feel really nervous for some reason. I hope Obama does okay.

[Ashwin Pande]

Is there going to be a steam online?

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_rm.aspx

[Ryan F]

Is there going to be a steam online?

I'm steaming already! :-x

[NickT]

http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

I feel really nervous for some reason. I hope Obama does okay.
I'm sure he'll survive. It's a debate, not a fight :)

[iGotKittyPryde]

I'm sure he'll survive. It's a debate, not a fight :)

Oh man, I bet Obama would take him easily in a fight. I mean, he's got 30 years or so on his side. I would have no nervousness if it was a fight.

[RebootedCorpse]

What network are you viewing? I've been using PBS, but 'll watch CNN this time.

[Ryan F]

What network are you viewing? I've been using PBS, but 'll watch CNN this time.

I hope CNN has more graphs this time.

[Kirblar]

Is the third debate the stupid Meet the Press format? (Which really doesn't work as a debate format)

[NickT]

Oh man, I bet Obama would take him easily in a fight. I mean, he's got 30 years or so on his side. I would have no nervousness if it was a fight.
McCain has proven to be tough though, and has a history of boxing. I think he could do a job in the ring.

[Ray G.]

Oh man, I bet Obama would take him easily in a fight. I mean, he's got 30 years or so on his side. I would have no nervousness if it was a fight.

Obama's never killed a man. :razz:

Starting!

[jamestolliver]

Is the third debate the stupid Meet the Press format? (Which really doesn't work as a debate format)

yeah, I think so.

[RebootedCorpse]

Brokaw is losing among men!

[MabusRex]

And so it begins...

[Andreas]

He looked into Obama's eyes. Obama jinxed him. :shock:

Andreas

[LordKinbote]

Obama's never killed a man. :razz:

Starting!

Actually, that's the October surprise!

[J Money]

What network are you viewing? I've been using PBS, but 'll watch CNN this time.
CNN, seems to be the best HD channel I have

[Nick Spencer]

It is downright jarring how into this hostel kids are. If only we could get American students to care this much.

[NickT]

Annoyance #1: They didn't come to the stage like boxers go to the ring. Theme tunes, over the top announcer!

[sonnylarue]

lex luthor asks the first question

[Kirblar]

Man, SNL is going to have so much fun with Brokaw.

[MabusRex]

Who won the coin flip on the first debate?

[RickLM]

Tom Brokaw's marble mouth voice just cracks me up. I miss him on NBC.

[Yano]

See the Sarah Palin lookalike behind the first question asker?

[Kirblar]

Who won the coin flip on the first debate?
McCain went first, I believe.

[Ashwin Pande]

It is downright jarring how into this hostel kids are. If only we could get American students to care this much.

I'm up (haven't slept all night) at 6.30am!! 6.30AM!! Just to watch this clusterfuck.

[NickT]

Actually, that's the October surprise!
:lol:



Tonight, Obama kills a man in front of McCain!

[jamestolliver]

First attack from Obama.

[RebootedCorpse]

What do the numbers mean on CNN?

[jamestolliver]

I'm up (haven't slept all night) at 6.30am!! 6.30AM!! Just to watch this clusterfuck.

you're a true patriot.

[LordKinbote]

What do the numbers mean on CNN?

That one at the top right? That's the channel. What, you've never watched television before?

[Ryan F]

CNN graphs liked Obama's first answer.

[Joe Henderson]

Haha, McCain tosses in the town hall jab.

[NickT]

If McCain gets any closer to him, he might as well just sit next to the guy.

[Nick Spencer]

There is not much hair in that section of the audience.

[Lyfeforce]

What do the numbers mean on CNN?

lower third of the screen? that's how much that 20 uncommitted ohio voters like what's being said.

[RebootedCorpse]

Nngry, upset and fearful. Just how the GOP likes `em!

[sonnylarue]

luthor is mad neither answered the question

[Ryan F]

Energy will fix the credit crisis?

[NickT]

That one at the top right? That's the channel. What, you've never watched television before?:lol:

[Kirblar]

Positive = Up - Negative = Down

Obama got close to 100% positive on the AIG comment.

McCain getting up in the face of the guy who asked the question is really aggressive and off-putting.

[Joe Henderson]

CNN's feed is two seconds behind MSNBC. I wonder if that has to do with their graph.

[JoeE]

Fix the economic crisis by talking about energy. Looks like he got some debate notes from Palin.

[RebootedCorpse]

lower third of the screen? that's how much that 20 uncommitted ohio voters like what's being said.

What about the numbers in the pie charts?

[LordKinbote]

Energy will fix the credit crisis?

Creative energy! America's untapped resource.

[CougarTrace]

good points by McCain and Obama on the issue.

[Kirblar]

Followups~! Yay!

Holy fuck, he did not just say "Not you, Tom." Talk about playing into the stereotype.

[Nick Spencer]

Man, he is really working hard for Alan's vote. He's forgotten about the rest of us!

[Ray G.]

The homes proposal is horrid. I'd expect it out of the Dems. :?

[RebootedCorpse]

McCain knows how to fix the economy, but he's keeping it quiet.

[Nick Spencer]

Jesus, what'd Tom do?!!

[Ryan F]

"Fuck you, Tom!"

[NickT]

I like this format more than the previous.

[sonnylarue]

i stick with c-span

[Patton]

CNN's feed is two seconds behind MSNBC. I wonder if that has to do with their graph.

I think CSPAN might be behind both because you guys are seeing things a bit before me.

[RebootedCorpse]

Nice awkward jab at Brokaw. Zero laffs

[En Sabah Poo]

They really need to take that shit off the bottom of the screen on CNN. That tells nobody anything except for how dumb a small group of Ohio voters are.

[Nick Spencer]

:lol:

Countdown to Warren Buffett saying no chance in hell.

[gomi]

Grandpa Munster is creeping me out.

[LordKinbote]

There's pretty much a 0% chance of Warren Buffett becoming the treasury secretary.

[Kirblar]

The homes proposal is horrid. I'd expect it out of the Dems. :?
I was totally afraid he was going to suggest that we take California's insane property tax system nationwide and bankrupt us.

[CougarTrace]

I really would love for Obama to have answered the Paulson replace question directly and name some names.

[Nick Spencer]

Why do you people watch CNN?

Hulu for me.

[Ray G.]

I'm finding both of them pretty off-putting right now.

[RebootedCorpse]

The graphics on CNN are distracting and silly.

[jamestolliver]

looks like it will be another "let's not answer the questions" debate.

[Nick Spencer]

McCain stole the Main Street line!

[Patton]

There's pretty much a 0% chance of Warren Buffett becoming the treasury secretary.

How come?

[RebootedCorpse]

Main Street!

[NickT]

The graphics on CNN are distracting and silly.
*votes negative on Corpse's post, reduces his graph*

[Ryan F]

I really would love for Obama to have answered the Paulson replace question directly and name some names.

Didn't he name more than McCain?

(Honestly, I didn't hear any names from McCain. Did I miss them?)

[LordKinbote]

If I have to hear about Main Street one more time, I swear to God...

[MabusRex]

looks like it will be another "let's not answer the questions" debate.

Hoping not, but I have to agree with this.

[Mylazycat]

"I suspended my campaign" - well, let's all pat him on the back!

[jamestolliver]

main street was paying a heavy price so we just made it a bit heavier!

[Joe Henderson]

Obama and his cronies!

[Kirblar]

You don't want to name cabinet secretaries right now. It looks presumptuous.

Wow, again with the mortgage buy-up. I'm not sure if he actually believes that's a viable solution.

[Nick Spencer]

Man, McCain's stage walk is creeeeeepy.

[iGotKittyPryde]

I enjoy Obama laughing at the word 'cronies'

[RebootedCorpse]

By people who can't afford to pay back...we all know who THOSE people are...

[LordKinbote]

How come?

He's stated outright that Washington DC is not for him. That's why he's lived in the same modest house in Omaha for 50 years.

[Ryan F]

Obama and his cronies caused the credit crisis?

CNN graph not buying it.

[En Sabah Poo]

McCain is lying already. Awesome.

[Ray G.]

It's so awkward hearing them attack in their comforting voices.

[RebootedCorpse]

Man, McCain's stage walk is creeeeeepy.

Stage lurch

[En Sabah Poo]

Alan? Isn't his name Oliver?

McCain is old.

[Yano]

Yeah, the CNN graph did not approve of the cronies comment

[chazbot]

It's story time!

[Joe Henderson]

Man, McCain's stage walk is creeeeeepy.

He looks like a zombie with his awkward shuffle.

[Nick Spencer]

This idea that Fannie and Freddie caused this is a little off.

Okay, more than a little off.

[gomi]

McCain is lying already. Awesome.

Didn't take long, did it?

[NickT]

If I have to hear about Main Street one more time, I swear to God...
But Main Street's still all cracked and broken!
Sorry mom, the mob has spoken!
Monoraaaail, Monoraaaail...

[Mylazycat]

Man, McCain's stage walk is creeeeeepy.

His stage presence does not say comfortable to me.

[JoeE]

Attack on Dems for FNM and FRE are partially true, but that didn't work at all. Ouch.

[Lyfeforce]

oh shit. The fight is on.

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

McCain's ball sac is a deep purple.



Just sayin'...

[gomi]

As recently as March... POW!!!

[Kirblar]

Attack on Dems for FNM and FRE are partially true, but that didn't work at all. Ouch.
When people don't like you, they don't believe you.

[sonnylarue]

why is mccain pulling a stockdale, walking around

[CougarTrace]

His stage presence does not say comfortable to me.

yeah, both Obama's and McCains stage presence isn't that great.

McCain with his walk and soft talk and Obama with his uh's.

[LordKinbote]

This idea that Fannie and Freddie caused this is a little off.

Okay, more than a little off.

Hey, you're leaving this country, mister! Get out of this thread! :)

[RebootedCorpse]

why is mccain pulling a stockdale, walking around

Why is he there?

[jamestolliver]

this is getting rough.

[Ryan F]

why is mccain pulling a stockdale, walking around

:lol: You just reminded me of Hartman's Adm. Stockdale.

"Where am I?!"

[Andreas]

This idea that Fannie and Freddie caused this is a little off.

Okay, more than a little off.

They were "the match that caused this forest fire." :scared:

[Nick Spencer]

they both kinda suck so far.

[Lyfeforce]

Damn. Women are burying the needle on CNN.

[JoeE]

The FNM and FRE attack was probably the best thing McCain had on Obama and he's getting owned on it.

[jamestolliver]

Damn. Women are burying the needle on CNN.

is that good?

[NickT]

they both kinda suck so far.
I think they're doing better than last time.

[Mylazycat]

"I must hold onto this podium with one hand or I shall fall down."

[En Sabah Poo]

The FNM and FRE attack was probably the best thing McCain had on Obama and he's getting owned on it.

Not really. McCain looks far worse on them than Obama does. Afterall, McCain has far more financial support from executives and lobbyists from FNM and FRE.

[Shane W]

Why is he there?

You just had a DennyBurger with cheese, your tummy's full, I rest my case.

[Patton]

they both kinda suck so far.

Really? I wasn't impressed with Obama last time but I'm digging him this time.

[Foolish Mortal]

"The American Worker is the greatest!!!"

Too bad that didn't answer the question.

[sonnylarue]

carol brady has a good question

[RebootedCorpse]

Your question sucked, sit down.

[NickT]

Ooh, she card read good.

[Mylazycat]

Damn. Women are burying the needle on CNN.

Are they also hitting the coke?

[CougarTrace]

now I like this ladies question.

Washington on both sides just plain hasn't done it for the people.

[Lyfeforce]

is that good?

not bad or good, just women responded really well to that in the CNN focus group.

[NATE!]

Ooh, she card read good.

Maybe a teleprompter would have been better. :) Or semaphore code...

[En Sabah Poo]

now I like this ladies question.

Washington on both sides just plain hasn't done it for the people.

:lol:

[CougarTrace]

Ooh, she card read good.

cmon Nick. You gonna make fun of a lady being nervous on TV in front of the world

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

"How kin wee trust either onea' eww..."


Great googley moogely!

[jamestolliver]

now I like this ladies question.

Washington on both sides just plain hasn't done it for the people.

I think it's a fine question.

[Mylazycat]

now I like this ladies question.

Washington on both sides just plain hasn't done it for the people.

I want her to ask all the questions.

[jamestolliver]

Good answer from Obama.

[Ryan F]

I think it's a fine question.

These questions have been very vague.

[En Sabah Poo]

cmon Nick. You gonna make fun of a lady being nervous on TV in front of the world

Yet you, a Bush apologist, criticize a man for saying the word "uh" a handful of times.

[RebootedCorpse]

People love to hear their cynical and untrusting. He really connects with voters.

[Mylazycat]

OH! I was so expecting a "Maverick" there! I think he was tempted to say it!

[LordKinbote]

cmon Nick. You gonna make fun of a lady being nervous on TV in front of the world

Uh, yeah. Because we're not her, and it's funny. Welcome to the internet. :)

[gomi]

Say MAVERICK!! Say MAVERICK!!

[Patton]

These questions have been very vague.

Yeah I was gonna say.

And I don't think it's that great of a question because it's almost impossible to answer.

[SidekicksRevenge]

"records instead of rhetoric," john? you really want to bring your horrid record into it?

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

mav·er·ick
–noun
1. Southwestern U.S. an unbranded calf, cow, or steer, esp. an unbranded calf that is separated from its mother.

[CougarTrace]

Yet you, a Bush apologist, criticize a man for saying the word "uh" a handful of times.

I guess I could make fun a man holding on to a podium to be fair. Wait I was fair.

[Ashwin Pande]

I'm not impressed with either so far.

Both of them are retreading the same points over and over again.

[Lyfeforce]

Say MAVERICK!! Say MAVERICK!!

Say Maverick, do a shot.

[Shane W]

Ooh, she card read good.

Wow, I just saw the question (tivo) what the hell was that?

[NATE!]

These questions have been very vague.

Nowhere near as vague as the answers. "Oooh, good answer. YOU SAID NOTHING WITH A LOT OF WORDS THROUGHOUT."

[Joe Henderson]

Haha, Obama totally took the wind out of McCain's 'new spending' argument.

[Nick Spencer]

Personal space, dude!

[Kirblar]

McCain's negative stuff is just not moving the dial at all.

[RebootedCorpse]

Flatline

[NickT]

He bought an overhead projector? The bastard!

[LordKinbote]

These questions have been very vague.

"This one is for you, Senator Obama. What do you think of the thing? You know...the thing!"

[JoeE]

So far, not really an impressive performance by either, but McCain needs the win tonight, he needs to convince people that he's definitely the guy to handle the economic crisis, and he certainly hasn't yet.

[Ryan F]

Yeah I was gonna say.

And I don't think it's that great of a question because it's almost impossible to answer.

They might as well ask:

"Candidates: can you recite some random talking points about the economy that you've memorized?"

[nick maynard]

I'm not impressed with either so far.

Both of them are retreading the same points over and over again.
jerry seinfeld does the same show at every night of his tour, because he doesn't expect that the same people are going to watch every one. and i think that's what this is like too.

[JoeE]

Phase I: Energy Independence
Phase II: ...
Phase III: Prosperity!

[jamestolliver]

I love McCain walking back and forth across the camera.

[Joe Henderson]

What were those things again? I am old and cannot remember.

[En Sabah Poo]

You can work on all three at once my friends!?!

I thought you should suspend health care while you work on social security.

[Ray G.]

This is death. They're both uninspired, and the questions are Johnny one-note.

[Patton]

McCain's negative stuff is just not moving the dial at all.

Damn it. I got mad at it last time but now I miss it.

[Ashwin Pande]

jerry seinfeld does the same show at every night of his tour, because he doesn't expect that the same people are going to watch every one. and i think that's what this is like too.

When asked different questions? Which have different answers to them?

[HOOKS]

I need to change my Debate Drinking Game and add "Uhm, look" for Obama and "I have a clear record" for McCain.

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

Terrorists!

[LordKinbote]

It's easy to reach across the aisle to Joe Lieberman when he's basically jumping across the aisle into your lap.

[En Sabah Poo]

My friends...

[Patton]

Come on Tom...make them answer this one.

[Ryan F]

McCain's negative stuff is just not moving the dial at all.


Flatline

Yeah, the CNN graph is not too fond of McCain. I don't know if they did a bad job finding "undecideds" or he really is doing that poorly...

[Kirblar]

McCain's just rambling here like Palin does.

[RebootedCorpse]

McCain just promised to reduce retiree benefits.
Eat cat food old bitches! You shoulda married a beer baroness!

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

Brokaw - goddamnit! Stick to the rules!!!

[Mylazycat]

McCain likes to reaches across aisles a lot, apparently.

[En Sabah Poo]

I need to change my Debate Drinking Game and add "Uhm, look" for Obama and "I have a clear record" for McCain.

If you used "my friends" you'd probably be on the floor right now.

[gomi]

Fuck it, I'm drinking whenever McCain says 700 billion from now on.

[Ashwin Pande]

"Which of the three is more important?"

"I dunno... All of them?"

[jamestolliver]

lieberman is so far across the aisle.

[Foolish Mortal]

McCain with his walk and soft talk and Obama with his uh's.
McCain seems to be doing more "um's" and "ah's" than Obama. :p

[NickT]

Brokaw - goddamnit! Stick to the rules!!!
Think he'll cry if they keep ignoring him?

[HOOKS]

If you used "my friends" you'd probably be on the floor right now.

My friends is already on the list, right below Maverick.

I am feeling pretty good right now.

[JoeE]

"We can be free from Middle Eastern oil in 15 years"

no we can't. This is why people are cynical about politics.

[Patton]

They might as well ask:

"Candidates: can you recite some random talking points about the economy that you've memorized?"

They don't have to ask that. They'll pretend that's what they asked anyway.

[Dwimmerling]

McCains tie isn't giving me acid flashbacks this time. This is somewhat less enjoyable.

I like that McCain plateaus the little orange green line thingy and obama can just about bury it.

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

Take a drink every time McCain whistles an "S"!!

3,2, BLACKOUT!

[CougarTrace]

damn $3.80 and oil is on a very downward trend

[Kirblar]

Wow, the line by line stuff sent the women's dials flying.

[Ryan F]

Women just went nuts when Obama said "now understand this." I don't get it.

[JoeE]

"one minute, assholes"

[SidekicksRevenge]

Just cut them off if they ramble too long, Tom.

[Foolish Mortal]

Quit riding their asses, Brokaw! Let'em talk.

[Lyfeforce]

yes, Brokaw. Let's make a joke and break the precious rules you're looking so hard to enforce.

[RebootedCorpse]

A 78-year-old using the Internet?
Shenanigans!!

[jamestolliver]

I :heart: Brokaw.

[Mylazycat]

You can work on all three at once my friends!?!

Yet he had to suspend his campaign! He can't work on multiple things at once!

He should ask the American people to suspend their campaigns, too!

[gomi]

Question 1 from the internet:

Can I has cheezburger?

[Ray G.]

Best question so far.

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

McCain moves like an aide is controlling him via remote control...

[Kirblar]

And now McCain parroting what Obama just said.

[Nick Spencer]

Did Brokaw specifically look for the stupidest questions, or what?

[Joe Henderson]

He HATES that projector.

[JoeE]

What's the deal with the women being so divergent from the men tonight?

[En Sabah Poo]

Here's comes the freeze again.

Alright everyone! Chill!

Chill!

Chill....

[HOOKS]

Question 1 from the internet:

Can I has cheezburger?

Question 2:

A/S/L? R u a gril? nudes?

[Foolish Mortal]

Yeah that's right, Johnny. Teaching kids about science is a waste of money.

[Kirblar]

Internet Question #2:
DO U LIEK MUDKIPZ?

[Joe Henderson]

Question 1 from the internet:

Can I has cheezburger?

Follow up question:

O rly?

[Ryan F]

Ugh, back to the spending freeze. :-?

[Patton]

Just cut them off if they ramble too long, Tom.

Exactly! This ain't his first rodeo. Either cut them off or stop whining about it.

[LordKinbote]

Question 1 from the internet:

Can I has cheezburger?

Government cheezburgers will be cut from the budget, I fear.

[RebootedCorpse]

What's the deal with the women being so divergent from the men tonight?

Ohio chicks are easy.

[Nick Spencer]

What's the deal with the women being so divergent from the men tonight?

That time of the month.

[Ray G.]

9/11 wasn't a tragedy, Barack. It was an act of war.

[HOOKS]

Obama brought up 9/11 first?

...

I'll take a drink just for the hell of it.

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

did brokaw specifically look for the stupidest questions, or what?

hey! Those questions are from middle america! Hockey momz! Joe six pax! Lipstick covered bulldogs!

[RebootedCorpse]

Obama just broke out the 9/11! McBush is gonna shit himself!!

[Ray G.]

Oh, FUCK OFF! There was nothing wrong with what Bush said!

[Ryan F]

9/11 wasn't a tragedy, Barack. It was an act of war.

Acts of wars can be tragedies, dude.

[CougarTrace]

what is his point with 9/11?

horrible.

[Yano]

9/11 wasn't a tragedy, Barack. It was an act of war.

But wasn't it also a tragedy? People died. That's tragic.

[En Sabah Poo]

9/11 wasn't a tragedy, Barack. It was an act of war.

:lol:

[Brother Power the Gong]

9/11 wasn't a tragedy, Barack. It was an act of war.

It can be both.

[Mylazycat]

Question 1 from the internet:

Can I has cheezburger?

I'd love to hear the answers.

[RickLM]

9/11 wasn't a tragedy, Barack. It was an act of war.

Yes, making that word mistake changes everything.

[RebootedCorpse]

That was awesome!! Fuck yeah. The Bush call to shop is the line of the night so far!

[CougarTrace]

Oh, FUCK OFF! There was nothing wrong with what Bush said!

agreed. Bush was trying to get people back on track.

He doesn't even make sense there.

[LordKinbote]

9/11 wasn't a tragedy, Barack. It was an act of war.

Which...was a tragedy. Am I missing something?

[jamestolliver]

The lighting on the BBC stream makes it look like an 80s porn :lol:

[Ryan F]

It's weird that Obama can be so inspiring in his speeches and yet he falls so flat in debates.

[jamestolliver]

uh...9/11 was a tragedy...

[CougarTrace]

:-?

I forgot the question now

[Lyfeforce]

third question from the internet:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z235/jugri/1154470052640s.jpg

[Ashwin Pande]

what is his point with 9/11?

horrible.

Instead of giving people a clear direction and leadership after 9/11 Bush said go shopping.

Obama wants to give America a direction that is identifiable. Leadership that takes people somewhere instead of unleashing them randomly.

[NickT]

It's weird that Obama can be so inspiring in his speeches and yet he falls so flat in debates.
Practice I guess.

[Mylazycat]

Brokaw is upset with all the drinking!

STOP THE DRINKING GAMES, PEOPLE!!!

[Brother Power the Gong]

agreed. Bush was trying to get people back on track.

He doesn't even make sense there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100301977.html

[NATE!]

third question from the internet:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z235/jugri/1154470052640s.jpg

lol i dunno

[RickLM]

Obama talks too slow. Not that it matters tonight, as McCain looks more like an old man than I've ever seen before.

[LordKinbote]

That's a lot of drunk people. I'm staying off the streets tonight.

[Ray G.]

agreed. Bush was trying to get people back on track.

He doesn't even make sense there.

For some reason, it's become a bugaboo among the left.

What should he have called for? A draft? A war tax? We didn't need either of those then.

Bush said what was needed to convince Americans that the best thing they could do was to keep the status quo going, and it worked.

[Pia Guerra]

Tragedy specifically refers to terrible incidents that are a direct result of bad decisions. In the case of 9/11 it's apt.

[Ryan F]

I'd love to hear the answers.

"Yes, you can has cheezburger. Under my economic plan, all Americans will be able to afford cheezburger. You can has healthcare as well. And you can has solar and wind energy."

[CougarTrace]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100301977.html

you really didn't post that one did you. goodness.

[RebootedCorpse]

For some reason, it's become a bugaboo among the left.

What should he have called for? A draft? A war tax? We didn't need either of those then.

Bush said what was needed to convince Americans that the best thing they could do was to keep the status quo going, and it worked.

It was retarded.

[NATE!]

Interestingly enough, how are these proposed tax cuts by either of these guys going to be viable with the bailout looming?

[gomi]

Again with the hatchet and scalpel?

[Lyfeforce]

I will say this for McCain tonight:

He is actually looking in Obama's general direction.

[Pia Guerra]

"living high on the hog"

snerk!

[Kirblar]

Uh, didn't Clinton raise taxes during or immediately after the short '91 reccession?