Fuck you SHIA!

[Shawn DePasquale]

"To suspend the disbelief — the swing through these vines and nuking of the fridge. It wasn't like they didn't do fantastical stuff in the first three. They did ridiculously fantastical things in the first three. But you could stomach it because you were a different viewer, and I think that the viewership has changed." —Shia LaBeouf on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull [MTV (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1594844/story.jhtml)]



In the linked article he defends the crapfest that was INDY IV.

[Gregory]

Yeah, like cave spears could kill Doc Ock. I mean, come ON.

[Generic Poster]

Yeah, like cave spears could kill Doc Ock. I mean, come ON.

Cave spears tripped by an ancient Incan photo-sensor?

[Shawn DePasquale]

Yeah, like cave spears could kill Doc Ock. I mean, come ON.

Dr. House you make me laugh.

[Shawn DePasquale]

He's basically saying "we dont have to make good movies you people need to stop making so much sense."

[Gregory]

Cave spears tripped by an ancient Incan photo-sensor?

I had much more problem with the guy continuing to live without his heart in the second film. Also, didn't Indy get to Nazi island by lashing himself to a sub that didn't fully submerge for some reason?

[Generic Poster]

I had much more problem with the guy continuing to live without his heart in the second film. Also, didn't Indy get to Nazi island by lashing himself to a sub that didn't fully submerge for some reason?

It's almost like they did fantastical stuff in the first three too!

[Fourthman]

The "Indy 4 was as good as any of the first 3" argument as presented here by Shia is the exact same argument being put forth elsewhere in this forum to say that All Star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder is the exact same thing as The Dark Knight Returns. Fantastical events? Check. Quality? That's just your perspective, man. Don't blame the creators.

[Gregory]

It's almost like they did fantastical stuff in the first three too!

Like you could write legibly on your own eyelids without bruising the eyeball. I demanded such a refund.

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

And Shia LaBeouf calls out the nerds.

I like him more every day.

[Shawn DePasquale]

It's almost like they did fantastical stuff in the first three too!

So what you're saying is that if it's framed within something enjoyable and well-made fans WILL suspend disbelief.

[mario]

I had much more problem with the guy continuing to live without his heart in the second film. Also, didn't Indy get to Nazi island by lashing himself to a sub that didn't fully submerge for some reason?

Submarines back then did avoid going under water whenever they could to spare the oxygen supply and such.

In the last Indy I was especially amazed at how even the jungle's ground was, no branches sticking out, no anthills, puddles of water, bushes, small trees,...
You couldn't see the jeeps rocking at all!

[Shawn DePasquale]

The "Indy 4 was as good as any of the first 3" argument as presented here by Shia is the exact same argument being put forth elsewhere in this forum to say that All Star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder is the exact same thing as The Dark Knight Returns. Fantastical events? Check. Quality? That's just your perspective, man. Don't blame the creators.

This is movie wasn't like the other three. It didn't feel the same not in pacing, structure, performance, FX, direction.....it never stands on it's OWN as a good movie, let alone being compared to the three that came before.

[Fourthman]

This is movie wasn't like the other three. It didn't feel the same not in pacing, structure, performance, FX, direction.....it never stands on it's OWN as a good movie, let alone being compared to the three that came before.

I agree. This is also how I feel about ASBRBW.

[Generic Poster]

So what you're saying is that if it's framed within something enjoyable and well-made fans WILL suspend disbelief.

That's exactly what I'm saying. The argument that the fridge-nuking and vine-swinging were the problems with the movie miss the point.

For the record, I love Raiders, but think the other three are terrible (descending by steps in release date order).

[Shawn DePasquale]

I agree. This is also how I feel about ASBRBW.

Excellent. Let us celebrate by skewering out detractors.

[Fourthman]

That's exactly what I'm saying. The argument that the fridge-nuking and vine-swinging were the problems with the movie miss the point.

For the record, I love Raiders, but think the other three are terrible (descending by steps in release date order).

:heart:

[JoeE]

All the Indiana Jones movies had some fantastic, unrealistic scenes, but for the most part they weren't the big scenes that Crystal Skull embraced. Indy, Willie & Short Round surviving a plummet from an airplane in an inflatable raft, for example, is pretty stupid, but it's just Point A -> Point B - it's over and done with quickly. Whereas in Crystal Skull, the fantastical scenes become major setpieces, like the already-mentioned fridge nuking and vine swinging.

I don't mind taking some stupid pills from time to time, but Crystal Skull forcefeeds them to you.

[Ziolko]

Yes, god forbid someone tries to defend something he was involved with. How dare he stand up for this movie! He should just totally bury it and never get to work with Speilberg again!

[Generic Poster]

And Shia LaBeouf calls out the nerds.

I like him more every day.

I assume that, as a jock, nerds are your natural enemies.

[Shawn DePasquale]

Yes, god forbid someone tries to defend something he was involved with. How dare he stand up for this movie! He should just totally bury it and never get to work with Speilberg again!


Riiight. Or he could just keep his mouth shut.

[Shawn DePasquale]

I assume that, as a jock, nerds are your natural enemies.

:)

http://www.ugo.com/movies/dont-sweat-it/movies/images/revenge-of-the-nerds.jpg

[Drkemerld73]

Cave spears tripped by an ancient Incan photo-sensor?

I have the system set up at my house.

Sadly we go through a lot of mailmen, but it comes in handy for the Jehova's Witnesses!

:D

[TheKraken]

Riiight. Or he could just keep his mouth shut.

Or what, you gonna fight him after 4th period English?

[ArttyG12]

Riiight. Or he could just keep his mouth shut.

So...you think he sought out MTV to give them quotes for that article? Or do you think they asked him questions, and you're proposing he simply not answer?

[Shawn DePasquale]

Or what, you gonna fight him after 4th period English?

Huh? No. I don't want to fight him. I was just saying instead of trashing his movie as the previous poster suggested or trying to defend it in this half-assed way he shouldn't comment.Or a simple, "You can't please everyone" would be all right.

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

I assume that, as a jock, nerds are your natural enemies.

No, I'm a nerd, too. I'm just self-aware enough to realise that sometime I need to be given a slap and told, "Stop it, you're scaring the women-folk."

[Shawn DePasquale]

So...you think he sought out MTV to give them quotes for that article? Or do you think they asked him questions, and you're proposing he simply not answer?

As stated above, I think he should keep his answer as short and sweet as possible. Unless he's really really passionate about this topic in which case I'm saying his point is missing the large issue. Don't tell me I didn't like the movie because I'm not a easy going as people in the 80's were. That's not a defense of your movie it"s a critique of your audience.

[adam_warlock_2099]

I have the system set up at my house.

Sadly we go through a lot of mailmen, but it comes in handy for the Jehova's Witnesses!

:D

:)

[ArttyG12]

As stated above, I think he should keep his answer as short and sweet as possible. Unless he's really really passionate about this topic in which case I'm saying his point is missing the large issue. Don't tell me I didn't like the movie because I'm not a easy going as people in the 80's were. That's not a defense of your movie it"s a critique of your audience.

Its hard to really tell without hearing the question he was asked, but the quote reads to me like he's not telling you why you didn't like the movie; he's telling you why people didn't like two ridiculous scenes when they had no problem with other ridiculous scenes from the first three movies.

[Shawn DePasquale]

Its hard to really tell without hearing the question he was asked, but the quote reads to me like he's not telling you why you didn't like the movie; he's telling you why people didn't like two ridiculous scenes when they had no problem with other ridiculous scenes from the first three movies.

that's a fair interpretation.


Are you saying that I should change the title of this thread to give him more leeway?

[Ziolko]

Riiight. Or he could just keep his mouth shut.

Or maybe he can be entitled to sharing his opinion just like you're sharing yours.

I think you're just making bonfires out of matchsticks, really.

[ArttyG12]

that's a fair interpretation.


Are you saying that I should change the title of this thread to give him more leeway?

Just find a new reason to hate him? That new movie looks pretty bad...

[Dan-C]

Indy walked on air in the third one. I think Shia has at least a little bit of a point.

The difference between the previous films and the fourth one, from my perspective, is the "thing" in the movie. In the first three, you had religious artifacts. Artifacts that, in some way probably did exist thousands of years ago - mystical powers or not. But in the fourth one, you get aliens with mental powers. Its just seems so... sci-fi, for lack of a better term. So un-plausible to a typical viewer, most of whom were raised being taught that judeo-christian artifacts were indeed real.

What I think made Indy 4 different from the previous 3 is everything else. All the hype and hoopla surrounding the movie. The fact that it was shrouded in mystery, then they gave us this funky title. Then there's all this marketing and publicity about the movie. Plus, there's been 15 years of hero movies that came out between parts 3 and 4, and some of the stuff that made Indy so great the first time round, has been ripped off and imitated so many times since, that this one just wore a little thin because of it.

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

Or maybe he can be entitled to sharing his opinion just like you're sharing yours.

I think you're just making bonfires out of matchsticks, really.

He's not allowed to be proud of work The Internet has deemed bad. Get with the programme.

[Shawn DePasquale]

Or maybe he can be entitled to sharing his opinion just like you're sharing yours.

I think you're just making bonfires out of matchsticks, really.

All I did was say fuck you to the guy and post a link to his comments.

I didn't realize I was making a bonfire out of it.

[ArttyG12]

All I did was say fuck you to the guy and post a link to his comments.

I didn't realize I was making a bonfire out of it.

Campfire? Smoke signals? GODDAMMIT YOU TOOK MATCHSTICKS AND MADE SOMETHING THAT WAS BIGGER AND FIRE-IER!

[Ziolko]

All I did was say fuck you to the guy and post a link to his comments.

I didn't realize I was making a bonfire out of it.


He's basically saying "we dont have to make good movies you people need to stop making so much sense."

That was a large assumption made on your part based on his quote. Just because you didn't like the movie doesn't mean that others didn't like nor does it mean that he doesn't want to make good movies.

[Shawn DePasquale]

He's not allowed to be proud of work The Internet has deemed bad. Get with the programme.

Who said that? No one in this thread. Stop spouting off with random opinions that you think people are expressing when no one has.


I don't give a fuck what the internet deems good or bad. I think the movie was BAD. I, personally, was let down by the film on many many levels.

I think Shia, defending two of the lamest parts of the movie by saying people didn't like it because they're a different audience than the one that saw the originals is a weak defense.

He can be proud of what he did all he wants. Just don't sit there and tell me I didn't like your movie because i"m a "different viewer".

He's saying if I saw this movie in the 80's before the other's I would like it as much as i like those. I would not. It wasn't a good movie, as I've said in this thread, it was not well written or made. It did not satisfy me in any of the ways that "good" movies usually do.

If he's proud then let him say, 'I liked the vines and fridge scenes I thought they fit perfectly with the rest of the movie we were making, which wasn't a remake of the other ones but a new entry in the series."

[Wigner's Friend]

Indy walked on air in the third one.

I always thought it was a well disguised bridge.

Indy's leap of faith. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-c8_OFwZoY)

[Shawn DePasquale]

That was a large assumption made on your part based on his quote. Just because you didn't like the movie doesn't mean that others didn't like nor does it mean that he doesn't want to make good movies.

It means he doesn't know what a "good movie" is.

From the full article:


But if you thought "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" was silly or juvenile, or that it didn't measure up to the first three films, it's not the movie's fault — it's your fault, co-star Shia LaBeouf told MTV News.

"I feel like people are watching the movie and it's not the same viewer [as watched the originals]. It's not necessarily the style of the films has changed, it's the viewer — the viewer is different than the viewer was in the 80s," said LaBeouf, who played Indiana's prodigal son Mutt Williams. "It's two different viewers, and I think it was an innocent viewer and a less-jaded consumer [back then].

"To suspend the disbelief — the swing through these vines and nuking of the fridge. It wasn't like they didn't do fantastical stuff in the first three," he continued. "They did ridiculously fantastical things in the first three. But you could stomach it because you were a different viewer, and I think that the viewership has changed."




He's saying that the film wasn't any worse than the others but that the audience watching it has changed and now they don't like it.

I'm saying the film was DRASTICALLY different from the others especially the "style" of this film, which was much campier.

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

It means he doesn't know what a "good movie" is.

Applying definites to the subjective.

Awesome. So Internet.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

This is movie wasn't like the other three. It didn't feel the same not in pacing, structure, performance, FX, direction.....it never stands on it's OWN as a good movie, let alone being compared to the three that came before.

I agree. I'd the say the first half has the makings of a great Indy film, but the second half fails big time.

[Wigner's Friend]

Applying definites to the subjective.

Awesome. So Internet.

Transitioning implicit knowledge to explicit statements is one of the things that makes humans so special.

[Patton]

Wait...is that motherfucker trying to have an opinion? Let's kick his ass internet!

[Shawn DePasquale]

Applying definites to the subjective.

Awesome. So Internet.

Flexing a pseudo-intellect in a sarcastic and disparaging manner to passive-aggressivly insult someone.

Also Awesome and full of Internet.

You define the phrase "Takes one to know one."

[Jef UK]

It means he doesn't know what a "good movie" is.

From the full article:




He's saying that the film wasn't any worse than the others but that the audience watching it has changed and now they don't like it.

I'm saying the film was DRASTICALLY different from the others especially the "style" of this film, which was much campier.

I don't understand why you highlighted somebody else's editorializing, here.

[Shawn DePasquale]

Wait...is that motherfucker trying to have an opinion? Let's kick his ass internet!

I'm not sure if this applies to me or Shia or both!

[Shawn DePasquale]

I don't understand why you highlighted somebody else's editorializing, here.

Corrected. My mistake.

[Shawn DePasquale]

I agree. I'd the say the first half has the makings of a great Indy film, but the second half fails big time.

I knew frm the beginning it didn't feel right. The gopher was the first clue.

[Jim Schnobrich]

Man, you must really like the first three Indy movies to get this worked up.

[Shawn DePasquale]

Man, you must really like the first three Indy movies to get this worked up.

I'm really not all that worked up.


I think it's interesting that my "Fuck you, SHIA!" has been taken to mean so much more and people read so much intensity than I ever intended.


I didn't realize how many people love Shia and would take offense to my "F-U"

[Jim Schnobrich]

It's not a matter of people loving Shia. It's a matter of you feeling compelled enough to make entire thread on the subject and title it "Fuck you, SHIA!" How do you expect people to interpret that?

[Shawn DePasquale]

It's not a matter of people loving Shia. It's a matter of you feeling compelled enough to make entire thread on the subject and title it "Fuck you, SHIA!" How do you expect people to interpret that?

Cause of all the effort it take to make an "entire thread".
If you want to get technical I only made one post about it (nary a comment within that post either) the THREAD grew when others responded and I responded in return, as I thought was the goal of a message board.

And even so, my thread on my dislike for this comment and the guy who said it doesn't FORCE anyone to post a responce. This could have easily been ignored. Or cheered.

I was just saying I'm surprised instead of cheers or silence I'm getting people all riled up because I said "Fuck you Shia"

[Jonathan Callan]

The "Indy 4 was as good as any of the first 3" argument as presented here by Shia is the exact same argument being put forth elsewhere in this forum to say that All Star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder is the exact same thing as The Dark Knight Returns. Fantastical events? Check. Quality? That's just your perspective, man. Don't blame the creators.

Um... what? Someone call Roger Ebert! Apparently we're not supposed to blame the creators when they make a bad movie!

[Shawn DePasquale]

Um... what? Someone call Roger Ebert! Apparently we're not supposed to blame the creators when they make a bad movie!

You called the movie bad. How internet. Let's internet the internet, internet.

:)


I knew I could count on the good Doctor to see my side.

[Shawn DePasquale]

I might title ALL my threads "FUCK YOU SHIA" from here on out.

[Jonathan Callan]

Pssst! Shawn! You know I've expressed my love of you as a poster. Well, it's finally happened. You've had your first "stayed in this way too fucking long argument". I'm proud of you. It means you're a man now. It's like your board batmizvah.

But seriously - get out now while you can!

I even agree with you.

[Jonathan Callan]

You called the movie bad. How internet. Let's internet the internet, internet.

:)


I knew I could count on the good Doctor to see my side.

No problem. Happy to be a negative asshole about stuff. Any time you need it, just ask.

[Shawn DePasquale]

Pssst! Shawn! You know I've expressed my love of you as a poster. Well, it's finally happened. You've had your first "stayed in this way too fucking long argument". I'm proud of you. It means you're a man now. It's like your board batmizvah.

But seriously - get out now while you can!

I even agree with you.

I didn't want to be rude but thank GOD you came along.

[Shawn DePasquale]

No problem. Happy to be a negative asshole about stuff. Any time you need it, just ask.

This is why we get along.

[Shawn DePasquale]

SHIA SUCKS A MILLION COCKS IN HELL!


I'm OUT BITCHES!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/Andely/DX_SUCK_IT__ID_by_D_Generation_X.jpg

[Jim Schnobrich]

Cause of all the effort it take to make an "entire thread".

The point is that you felt compelled enough to make the post not the amount of time or effort it took.


If you want to get technical I only made one post about it (nary a comment within that post either)

You had enough of a comment in your thread title.


I was just saying I'm surprised instead of cheers or silence I'm getting people all riled up because I said "Fuck you Shia"

So, you are saying that you expected everyone who read your post to either agree with you or not say anything?

Check it, I don't even disagree with that you movie is bad but to come straight out with a negative comment like "Fuck you Shia" is bound to put people on edge.

[Thomas Mauer]

I had much more problem with the guy continuing to live without his heart in the second film. Also, didn't Indy get to Nazi island by lashing himself to a sub that didn't fully submerge for some reason?

If you read or watch Das Boot (http://www.amazon.com/Das-Boot-Boat-Lothar-G%C3%BCnther-Buchheim/dp/0304352314/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221689863&sr=8-3), there's an explanation that WWII submariners would drive at periscope depth and on the surface to get to target areas. Deep diving was only done during combat.

That said, Indy would have died of hypothermia despite being in the Mediterranean during summer. But his magical belt must have kept him warm, just like I suppose the skimpy outfits of superheroines create heat fields to keep them warm. ;)

[Shawn DePasquale]

If you read or watch Das Boot (http://www.amazon.com/Das-Boot-Boat-Lothar-G%C3%BCnther-Buchheim/dp/0304352314/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221689863&sr=8-3), there's an explanation that WWII submariners would drive at periscope depth and on the surface to get to target areas. Deep diving was only done during combat.

That said, Indy would have died of hypothermia despite being in the Mediterranean during summer. But his magical belt must have kept him warm, just like I suppose the skimpy outfits of superheroines create heat fields to keep them warm. ;)

Everything except their nipples, sadly the warmers only work well enough to warm MOST of the body.

[nick maynard]

He's basically saying "we dont have to make good movies you people need to stop making so much sense."
no he's not. he's saying the other movies are just as crazy. and he's 100% inarguably right.

[Thomas Mauer]

I always thought it was a well disguised bridge.

Indy's leap of faith. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-c8_OFwZoY)

It was. The idea behind it was that the bridge was painted so that from the perspective of standing at the mouth of the tunnel opening, it appeared like part of the chasm. Problem there is of course that you just need to move your head a little and all of a sudden you see it's fake. :)

[Thomas Mauer]

Everything except their nipples, sadly the warmers only work well enough to warm MOST of the body.

That's because the nipples stick out of the heat field. They could only afford the deep discount version. The fully pimped out version would keep their nips warm and cozy.

[nick maynard]

It was. The idea behind it was that the bridge was painted so that from the perspective of standing at the mouth of the tunnel opening, it appeared like part of the chasm. Problem there is of course that you just need to move your head a little and all of a sudden you see it's fake. :)
or that maybe the lighting might change.

[Thomas Mauer]

or that maybe the lighting might change.

That's not really possible in such an enclosed space. The only thing that could have made it invisible for real is photo receptors projecting what's on the other side, like the military cloaking technology currently under development.

Which would mean Joseph of Arimatea and his brothers had help from a technologically far superior source. A source that could have triggered the building of pyramids on three continents with unconnected civilizations around the same time. A source like...

OMG!!!! It was the crystal skull aliens that set up the bridge!!!

[NeverWanderer]

*I* for one happen to like Shia LeBouf, and I find him to be an AMAZING young talent! :nodidnt:

Fuck YOU, Shawn DePasquale! Fuck YOU!!!

[Shawn DePasquale]

*I* for one happen to like Shia LeBouf, and I find him to be an AMAZING young talent! :nodidnt:

Fuck YOU, Shawn DePasquale! Fuck YOU!!!

I'll get you next time NEVER WANDERER....NEXT TIME!

[NeverWanderer]

I'll get you next time NEVER WANDERER....NEXT TIME!

Your face is the epitome of suck! I hate you like I hate hell all haters of Shia!

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS THE BALL-LICKER!!!

[Shawn DePasquale]

Your face is the epitome of suck! I hate you like I hate hell all haters of Shia!

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS THE BALL-LICKER!!!

Kevin Smith is filing a lawsuit for that last line as we speak.

I'll see you in COURT Neverwanderer. COOOUURRRT!