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mike black
07-01-2008, 04:57 PM
I read earlier today that Obama is planning to cut NASA funding for education spending, setting Project Constellation back 5 - 10 years. Naturally I flipped out (http://realultimatepower.net/).

So it got me thinking about hot button issues for the upcoming election. What do you want to see take center stage?

Amos Moses
07-01-2008, 04:58 PM
I read earlier today that Obama is planning to cut NASA funding for education spending, setting Project Constellation back 5 - 10 years. Naturally I flipped out (http://realultimatepower.net/).

So it got me thinking about hot button issues for the upcoming election. What do you want to see take center stage?

Obama really said he'd cut NASA funding? WTF?!

Whip
07-01-2008, 04:59 PM
OMG no, Mars! :sad:

mike black
07-01-2008, 05:01 PM
Obama really said he'd cut NASA funding? WTF?!

An old article. I don't know if they're still his current plans, but I haven't seen otherwise.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_clinton_and_edwards_left.html


His staff says he help to would pay for the program with cuts and savings in several agencies – including by delaying NASA’s Constellation program, which aims to send human explorers to the moon and beyond.

Ray G.
07-01-2008, 05:02 PM
I feel really strongly about energy policy this time around. And so far, I feel both parties have really been missing the mark. I really hate the scapegoating of oil speculators, and I want to see more realism from both sides. Cane ethanol is the #1 thing I wish was getting more press.

Roman Noodles
07-01-2008, 05:02 PM
Because GOD forbid we spend more money on education reform. :?

Granted, we probably have plenty of useless shit we could cut instead.

Yorick Brown
07-01-2008, 05:03 PM
My main issue is not voting for McCain.

Ray G.
07-01-2008, 05:03 PM
Because GOD forbid we spend more money on education reform. :?

There's far, far better things to cut.

NASA, for some reason, is a whipping boy of small-minded politicians. Same for Amtrak, which I feel really strongly about.

Roman Noodles
07-01-2008, 05:04 PM
There's far, far better things to cut.

NASA, for some reason, is a whipping boy of small-minded politicians. Same for Amtrak, which I feel really strongly about.

I already amended my statement, prior.

Ray G.
07-01-2008, 05:05 PM
I already amended my statement, prior.

:thumb:

Although, I personally feel that the issue isn't spending more on education, it's spending it better.

mike black
07-01-2008, 05:06 PM
Granted, we probably have plenty of useless shit we could cut instead.

This is key. Cutting funding to our only contingency plan in case it all goes to pot is a really stupid thing to do. NASA is probably our most profitable program ever, and it's probably the only government program ever to be extremely successful and then have it's budget repeatedly cut.

Amos Moses
07-01-2008, 05:06 PM
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_clinton_and_edwards_left.html

Fuck that shit! We need to go to Mars before the Chinese get there! Goddamn you Obama!

Roman Noodles
07-01-2008, 05:07 PM
:thumb:

Although, I personally feel that the issue isn't spending more on education, it's spending it better.

True, True, education reform is a cause very near and dear for me. I'd like to see someone step up and blow me out of the water. But it's just politics, the nature of beast.

mike black
07-01-2008, 05:08 PM
Fuck that shit! We need to go to Mars before the Chinese get there! Goddamn you Obama!

Completely missing the point. Why is Project Constellation more important than any other government program currently out there? Because it's the beginning of colonizing off-world bodies.

R0cketFr0g
07-01-2008, 05:09 PM
$5 gallon gas. I know it's not something any new president can fix, but it's pissing people off..

Amos Moses
07-01-2008, 05:10 PM
Completely missing the point. Why is Project Constellation more important than any other government program currently out there? Because it's the beginning of colonizing off-world bodies.

But beating the Chinese to that punch is also important :D

HeartlessNinny
07-01-2008, 05:10 PM
I feel really strongly about energy policy this time around. And so far, I feel both parties have really been missing the mark. I really hate the scapegoating of oil speculators, and I want to see more realism from both sides. Cane ethanol is the #1 thing I wish was getting more press.

Man, you hit the nail on the head with this one.

Alternative energy is gonna be this century's biggest story, bar none. May as well get on it now...

And corn ethanol is bullshit. It doesn't help reduce emissions at all, really. Cane ethanol is way way more efficient.

That said, the American school system is a fucking embarassment, no matter how you slice it. You guys need to get more money in there, no matter how you do it. Cutting NASA sucks, sure. But if your kids are too dumb to figure out where the fuck Mars is, exactly... Well, I'd count that as a higher priority.

Education is the heart of so many issues, the biggest one being poverty. With a poor education system, the American empire will erode all the quicker. I guess that might sound vaguely anti-American, but honestly, I want a strong America, because you lead the world. On top of that, the dudes who are next in line... Well, they don't seem to be as nice.

So get it together, USA. We're counting on you. ;)

R0cketFr0g
07-01-2008, 05:11 PM
Completely missing the point. Why is Project Constellation more important than any other government program currently out there? Because it's the beginning of colonizing off-world bodies.

Way beyond that. Spending money on NASA has returned so many real world benefits like plastic and the internet that spending money to kill brown people hasn't.

Amos Moses
07-01-2008, 05:12 PM
Man, you hit the nail on the head with this one.

Alternative energy is gonna be this century's biggest story, bar none. May as well get on it now...

And corn ethanol is bullshit. It doesn't help reduce emissions at all, really. Cane ethanol is way way more efficient.

That said, the American school system is a fucking embarassment, no matter how you slice it. You guys need to get more money in there, no matter how you do it. Cutting NASA sucks, sure. But if your kids are too dumb to figure out where the fuck Mars is, exactly... Well, I'd count that as a higher priority.

Education is the heart of so many issues, the biggest one being poverty. With a poor education system, the American empire will erode all the quicker. I guess that might sound vaguely anti-American, but honestly, I want a strong America, because you lead the world. On top of that, the dudes who are next in line... Well, they don't seem to be as nice.

So get it together, USA. We're counting on you. ;)

We have one of the best (if not the best) higher education systems in the world. Our K-12 public education is falling apart though.

R0cketFr0g
07-01-2008, 05:12 PM
But beating the Chinese to that punch is also important :D

Definitely. We can't have the moon covered in Crab Rangoon!

EasyE726
07-01-2008, 05:12 PM
I'm for whatever candidate supports shooting all celebrities into space.

rychehitman
07-01-2008, 05:13 PM
illegal immigration is slowly eating away at the foundation of this country

so are mamby pamby bleeding hearts that want to give equal rights to every non citizen they can think of!

and I think that something needs to be done about this whole "converting to HDTV" bullshit!

more later!

Ray G.
07-01-2008, 05:14 PM
Also, terrorism. Yes, terrorism!

It's time we started fighting it smarter. The war on terrorism isn't confined to Afghanistan or even the Middle East. In fact, you know what the most dangerous terror recruiting ground is today? US prisons. We need better oversight of those places and the kind of dogma that gets spread there. Angry young men in a bad situation are incredibly susceptible to radicalization. This is something that never gets addressed.

RebootedCorpse
07-01-2008, 05:15 PM
War
Health care
Jobs

R0cketFr0g
07-01-2008, 05:16 PM
Also, terrorism. Yes, terrorism!

It's time we started fighting it smarter. The war on terrorism isn't confined to Afghanistan or even the Middle East. In fact, you know what the most dangerous terror recruiting ground is today? US prisons. We need better oversight of those places and the kind of dogma that gets spread there. Angry young men in a bad situation are incredibly susceptible to radicalization. This is something that never gets addressed.

This is the 2nd month in a row that more US soldiers died in Afghanistan than in Iraq.

Amos Moses
07-01-2008, 05:17 PM
Answering the thread question-

1. Envrioment/Energy (Main reason I'm supporting Obama)
2. Economy
3. Iraq/Afghanistan

Ray G.
07-01-2008, 05:20 PM
This is the 2nd month in a row that more US soldiers died in Afghanistan than in Iraq.

Didn't know that.

It's definitely a heating theater, just as Iraq seems to be cooling down. Pakistan will also likely be a problem in the near future, although a far different approach will be needed.

But I really think keeping alert here at home is just as big, if not a bigger part, than the wars abroad. This isn't about racial profiling, it's about logic, and I think both sides have sort of lost sight of that.

R0cketFr0g
07-01-2008, 05:22 PM
Didn't know that.

It's definitely a heating theater, just as Iraq seems to be cooling down. Pakistan will also likely be a problem in the near future, although a far different approach will be needed.

But I really think keeping alert here at home is just as big, if not a bigger part, than the wars abroad. This isn't about racial profiling, it's about logic, and I think both sides have sort of lost sight of that.

I feel like it's been a long time since reason has prevailed in an election cycle. And that's with me coming down on the other side than you.

mike black
07-01-2008, 05:23 PM
War
Health care
Jobs

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to say "the war".

DAVE
07-01-2008, 05:28 PM
Munster's Porn.

R0cketFr0g
07-01-2008, 05:32 PM
I'm surprised it took this long for someone to say "the war".

It's not a war?

Busman
07-01-2008, 05:41 PM
Hmm, the tinfoil hat wearer in me just realized that it's the election year and all of the sudden we're worried about $5 gas and not so much "the war". Coinkidink?

My top concerns that a president can effect:
US image on the world stage
Elimination of constitutional shredding behavior (secret wiretapping, torture, etc)
Judicial Nominees

Jerome Gibbons
07-01-2008, 05:44 PM
It's not a war?
Well, it's a war, but it's not The War. (http://i28.tinypic.com/35it8pf.jpg)

Jerome Gibbons
07-01-2008, 05:45 PM
Also, if I was gringo, I'd probably be worried about energy and health care.

Busman
07-01-2008, 05:47 PM
Well, it's a war, but it's not The War. (http://i28.tinypic.com/35it8pf.jpg)

HAHA. Absolutely not the link I was expecting.

Ryan F
07-01-2008, 05:59 PM
1. Not starting unnecessary wars and returning the United States to its position as a respected diplomatic leader - containment and cooperation in law enforcement have proven far more effective strategies in combating terrorism
2. pursuing energy efficiency/alternative energy and caps on carbon emissions
3. health care reform
4. repealing the Bush tax cuts and reversing the trend of economic inequality - rebuild the middle class
5. Supreme Court nominees that will discontinue the Court's current right-wing turn
6. restoring the Constitutional separation of powers and fundamental rights like habeas corpus

Bervda
07-01-2008, 05:59 PM
We have one of the best (if not the best) higher education systems in the world. Our K-12 public education is falling apart though.

It has been for years. I'm okay with cutting funding of other things to help repair this.

Mr. Sean
07-01-2008, 06:01 PM
1.Sustainability (in energy, the enviornment, infrastructure planning)
2.Foreign Relations
3. The economy

CougarTrace
07-01-2008, 06:01 PM
health care reform
consumer protection
iraq and russia relations

Busman
07-01-2008, 06:02 PM
1. Not starting unnecessary wars and returning the United States to its position as a respected diplomatic leader - containment and cooperation in law enforcement have proven far more effective strategies in combating terrorism
2. pursuing energy efficiency/alternative energy and caps on carbon emissions
3. health care reform
4. repealing the Bush tax cuts and reversing the trend of economic inequality - rebuild the middle class
5. Supreme Court nominees that will discontinue the Court's current right-wing turn
6. restoring the Constitutional separation of powers and fundamental rights like habeas corpus

We should go smoke some pot together or something. :lol:

Dreaded Anomaly
07-01-2008, 06:07 PM
Energy policy, the economy (these two are related), foreign policy in the Middle East, education, ceasing the abrogation of the Constitution.

Mister Mets
07-01-2008, 06:26 PM
Spending our money wisely.

Maintaining the nation's position as #1.

The supreme court.

Steve Q
07-01-2008, 06:28 PM
In order:

Economy/Energy (which includes taxes and the like)
War on Terror/ Support for Israel
Judicial Nominees

Ryan F
07-01-2008, 06:33 PM
In this interview (which is slightly more recent), Obama is a bit more vague but more positive on the future of NASA in his potential administration:

http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/obama_on_space.html

Also, here's a Popular Mechanics breakdown of the candidates' positions on NASA (hey, McCain ain't much better than Obama):

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4260504.html

gomi
07-01-2008, 06:35 PM
Supreme Court nominees. If McCain gets elected, this country will be unrecognizable in four years. Sadly, it seems like a lot of people don't place much value on their civil rights anymore.

lonesomefool
07-01-2008, 06:37 PM
Economy
Economy
Economy
Economy

We need to build the dollar back up and make it strong again.

lonesomefool
07-01-2008, 06:45 PM
We have one of the best (if not the best) higher education systems in the world. Our K-12 public education is falling apart though.

We really need to focus on at least TRYING to make college affordable to more people. I know a lot of people will answer loans, etc. and those are all fine and well, but by making college more affordable it just makes the country better. If we are gonna stay ahead of rapidly growing countries like China and India, we need to actually educate as many people as possible.

Also, k-12 needs to stop being a stepping stone top college and actually educate people and prepare them for the "real world". College is great, but the majority of young people still dont go, and by treating High School as "well, fuck teaching kids anything, they will go to college where they can REALLY learn" it's just hurting everyone, including college bound students.

silverboy
07-01-2008, 06:55 PM
I read earlier today that Obama is planning to cut NASA funding for education spending, setting Project Constellation back 5 - 10 years. Naturally I flipped out (http://realultimatepower.net/).


Sounds good to me. Maybe education reform will create some smarter engineers to completely revolutionize space travel.

What I'm say is our country's public education is pathetic, and should be a higher priority than golfing on Mars in 50 years.

Joe Henderson
07-01-2008, 07:04 PM
Turning alternate energy innovation into the next big industry, and using it to get the economy going again. There's no dot com boom to carry our economy on its shoulders, but I think alternate energy could be the closest thing we could have to that.

mike black
07-02-2008, 04:50 AM
By the way, my rankings:

1. The economy
2. NASA
3. Social security
4. The war
5. Foreign relations

Amos Moses
07-02-2008, 04:52 AM
By the way, my rankings:

1. The economy
2. NASA
3. Social security
4. The war
5. Foreign relations

Say what? Are you planning on retiring soon? Or do you want it axed?

RickLM
07-02-2008, 04:55 AM
health care
the economy
the war
energy policy
paying for social security, medicare

mike black
07-02-2008, 04:57 AM
Say what? Are you planning on retiring soon? Or do you want it axed?

No. But I do have a problem with the possibility of collapse by the time I do retire. There was an attempt to fix it with Bush's plan a few years ago. It fell through, and suddenly everyone forgot about it.

When I retire at 65, the government's going to owe me around $90,000 (at the current rate I'm paying in,) I want that fucking money.

Matt Jay
07-02-2008, 05:01 AM
Foreign policy.