Hulk's role in the Avengers movie

[Maestro]

Should Hulk be a member of the team, much like how the Avengers were created, or should Hulk be the bad guy, kind of like he was in the Ultimates?

Or should it be a straight remake of the Ultimates with Hulk eventually helping the team at the end?

[smm EBob]

i vote slight remake, without him getting upset over betty dating freddie prinze jr lol

[Bill Nolan]

Jeff Parker did a fantastic job using the character as a member of the team in Marvel Adventures Avengers, but he was more friendly than the mindless monster they make him in the movies.

[Shepherd]

I think it'd be really cool if they used him like a weapons like they did at the end of Ultimates season 1.

R

[silverboy]

I think it'd be really cool if they used him like a weapons like they did at the end of Ultimates season 1.

R

Yeah, I'm seeing it as an amalgam of hero, villain and Ultimates.

[Mister Mets]

The two best things to do with him.

1) Make him the opponent in the first act, and the weapon in the second act, with Banner as an adviser to the team.

2) Have the Hulk join the team, and leave by the end of the movie, a nod to what Lee/ Kirby did with the Avengers, creating a superhero team that didn't even last for a full issue.

[Thommy Melanson]

At the end of the Hulk movie...

...they showed Banner controlling his transformation and giving a knowing look to the camera..

My guess is they're going to have him be a member of the team, especially since The Avengers will more than likely open with them thawing out Cap and delving into the Super-Soldier formula angle. I'm sure Banner will lose control and The Hulk will be their main adversary, but at least in the beginning I think he'll be the key scientist.

[Rod Nunley]

Spoiler
I thought that the ending of the Hulk movie made it pretty clear that Bruce is getting close to being able to control himself as the hulk. Eyes go green and he's smirking. To me it's pretty clear that Marvel Studios is planting the idea of a talking, thinking Hulk that can be used as a real character in the Avengers movie.

[The Hodag]

Jeff Parker did a fantastic job using the character as a member of the team in Marvel Adventures Avengers, but he was more friendly than the mindless monster they make him in the movies.

I only read a little of Parker's run, but I seem to recall he also showed the Avengers having some technological means of inducing Hulk-itude and maybe even directing the Hulk's actions. Some kind of neural inhibitor doohickey? And didn't Doc Samson cook up something like that in the Hulk: Ultimate Destruction game? I know he was somehow able to guide the Hulk and even direct him on missions, which I thought was really damn cool. Not only facillitated the game, but just seemed like a slick way to have the Hulk working for the good guys and still be the classic, savage Hulk.

I'd vote for something like that. A somewhat unstable and dangerous Hulk that was mostly corralled by technology. I'd even dig seeing Samson as a supporting character working with the Avengers. Would work with Pym in that roll too, though.

[copypastepuke]

im with mister mets

[smm EBob]

i think the talk with stark at the end shows that one of the goals of the avengers is to deal with the hulk, so i think he will start out as an enemy at first for sure. where it foes from there is up in the air but i agree the fact that he can control it now should prove useful to the avengers. so i'm sticking with enemy at first and intelligent ally later on

[aviolentmist]

I think that if they do go for an Avengers movie, they should try to go for a trilogy, LOTR type deal so its a 3 movie story.

Maybe they band together to fight...whoever the Avengers fight. I don't even know. I never read the Avengers.

[NickT]

I'd have him as the first thing the Avengers fight, then at the end of the movie they release him to help him fight a big bad and he runs away. This way it keeps Hulk a good guy, but at the same time keeps him on the run.

[Ray G.]

Start with a rampage, albeit one with a lot more property damage than civilian casualties. Maybe have him going after something specific, so it's not just a mindless rampage.

Then have Fury convince Banner, once he's taken down, to join up. After seeing the movie, I think it could work.

[Patrick J]

My thinking is that the first... 30 minutes? Maybe the first 45 minutes of The Avengers movie will be the new team being used to capture and subdue the Hulk. That's the impression I get purely based on Stark's conversation with General Ross at the end of The Incredible Hulk

I don't think he'd have come to Ross and said; "what I told you we were putting together a team? unless Stark's thinking they can help Ross out by capturing the Hulk.

Then some other villain comes along, maybe Ultron... maybe Red Skull... who the fuck knows, but they'll decide that they need The Hulk, and we can have a scene of Steve Rogers beating the shit out of Banner to get him good n' pissed. If they got Pitt to play Cap and maintained Norton for Banner, it'd be an amusing scene for all the Fight Club aficionados.

[Jason California]

I'm with Hot Pink.

[HOOKS]

If they got Pitt to play Cap and maintained Norton for Banner, it'd be an amusing scene for all the Fight Club aficionados.

That would make me smile wide, especially if Banner said "I want you to hit me as hard as you can."

[c. page]

That would make me smile wide, especially if Banner said "I want you to hit me as hard as you can."

:lol:

that would be damn funny.

[copypastepuke]

if they dont take hooks suggestion ill be so upset.

[silverboy]

Either: 1. Avengers band together to fight Hulk, 2. Avengers recruit Hulk against big baddie.

Or: 1. Avengers recruit Hulk, 2. Avengers lose control of Hulk, 3. Avengers subdue Hulk and use him as a weapon against big baddie. (This is kinda close to the Ultimates.)

[c. page]

That would make me smile wide, especially if Banner said "I want you to hit me as hard as you can."

would be funnier if banner hit cap in the ear, to get cap to hit him back.

[smm EBob]

maybe Ultron...


that would be pretty awesome actually. maybe there is something to be pulled from all of these tie in movies. maybe the ant-man movie, seing as its gonna have BOTH hank pym and scott lang, will show hank pym creating ultron as a side story or maybe have the ultron blueprints as an easter egg or something then he shows up in the avengers movie. iron man gave us shield, hulk gave us more, antman gives us ultron, cap sets up him being found in the ice, thor gives us something else. every movie is gonna give us a little piece of the avengers movie. im super excited now

[UltimateQuintessa]

Is Norton and Marvel buddies again?

[Bryan H]

that would be pretty awesome actually. maybe there is something to be pulled from all of these tie in movies. maybe the ant-man movie, seing as its gonna have BOTH hank pym and scott lang, will show hank pym creating ultron as a side story or maybe have the ultron blueprints as an easter egg or something then he shows up in the avengers movie. iron man gave us shield, hulk gave us more, antman gives us ultron, cap sets up him being found in the ice, thor gives us something else. every movie is gonna give us a little piece of the avengers movie. im super excited now

Is Ant-Man still a go? I was unsure, I saw an article with the temp logos for upcoming Marvel Studio films, which were Iron Man 2, Thor, The First Avenger: Captain America and The Avengers. No Ant-Man to be found. I was a bit bummed, cause I'd love to see them pull that one off.

[Thommy Melanson]

Is Ant-Man still a go? I was unsure, I saw an article with the temp logos for upcoming Marvel Studio films, which were Iron Man 2, Thor, The First Avenger: Captain America and The Avengers. No Ant-Man to be found. I was a bit bummed, cause I'd love to see them pull that one off.

That "First Avenger:" title is very clunky.

They should just call it Captain America.

[Bryan H]

That "First Avenger:" title is very clunky.

They should just call it Captain America.

I agree, don't really know what they're thinking with that.

[c. page]

I agree, don't really know what they're thinking with that.

i assume it's to better tie it into the avengers movie. especially with them coming out in the same summer, it'll get people anticipating the next movie.

i think it's a smart setup, although i agree that the title is a bit clunky.

[Ray G.]

I think Ant-Man is still in development, and probably won't be debuting until after Avengers.

I think they'll have Pym be Giant Man in Avengers, so Ant-Man will be someone else. Either Lang or O'grady.

[Maestro]

That "First Avenger:" title is very clunky.

They should just call it Captain America.

"First Avenger" should eventually end up as the overseas title.

[Thommy Melanson]

i assume it's to better tie it into the avengers movie. especially with them coming out in the same summer, it'll get people anticipating the next movie.

i think it's a smart setup, although i agree that the title is a bit clunky.

Could be worse.

The Second Avenger: Iron Man 2

The Third Avenger: Thor.

Possibly The Fourth Avenger: Hulk 2

[UltimateQuintessa]

Captian Capitalism.

[silverboy]

Could be worse.

The Second Avenger: Iron Man 2

The Third Avenger: Thor.

Possibly The Fourth Avenger: Hulk 2

The First New Avenger: Spider-Men 4

The Second New Avenger: X-Men 5: Wolverine II


I agree, don't really know what they're thinking with that.

Apparently they're concerned that a movie called Captain America will do poorly overseas, so they added the prefix. I think its a bit silly. Just market it correctly.

[c. page]

I think Ant-Man is still in development, and probably won't be debuting until after Avengers.

I think they'll have Pym be Giant Man in Avengers, so Ant-Man will be someone else. Either Lang or O'grady.

i hope it's o' grady. that would be sweet.

[smm EBob]

Is Ant-Man still a go? I was unsure, I saw an article with the temp logos for upcoming Marvel Studio films, which were Iron Man 2, Thor, The First Avenger: Captain America and The Avengers. No Ant-Man to be found. I was a bit bummed, cause I'd love to see them pull that one off.

its by no means an official source but according to this site

http://www.thedeadbolt.com/news/104668/5marvelsuperhero_feature.php

Movie: Ant-Man
Release Date: TBA
Talent Attached: Director/co-writer of Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz, Edgar Wright, is attached to direct and is co-writing the script with English comic Joe Cornish

WHY DO WE WANT TO SEE IT?: Two words - Edgar Wright. Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz are two of the best written, best directed, nerd-friendly action comedies of the past twenty years, and Spaced, the BBC sitcom he co-created with Simon Pegg and Jessica Hynes, is so hilariously awesome and packed with comic book references that it could make Joss Whedon blush with envy (it FINALLY hits Region 1 DVD in July). So the fact that Marvel has turned over the reins of one of their most famously odd heroes to such a creative genius... it just has so much potential for coolness. In March, Wright told Empire Online, that the movie would star both Hank Pym and Scott Lang (who both took up the Ant-mantle) and that the film is "going to be less overtly comedic than anything else I’ve ever done. It’s more of a full-on action adventure sci-fi film but with a comedic element – in the same spirit of a lot of escapist fare like that. It’s certainly not a super hero spoof or pastiche and it certainly isn’t a sort of Honey I Shrunk the Kids endeavor at all."

And Wright's words make us all kinds of happy. We love that he's trying to make the film a kick-ass adventure film rather than just a comic book movie (perhaps because Ant-Man doesn't really have any "classic" stories to adapt), we love that he knows the character well enough to include both Pym and Lang, and we love that, while the movie won't be a Shrunk-the-Kids riff, it will get into the cool sci-fi elements of Ant-Man's shrinking powers, which should give the film a totally unique visual palette - which will be a welcome change from all the gritty downtown skyscraper backdrops that every other super hero flick has beaten into our retinas. All that, and Ant-Man is one of the original Avengers, so, hopefully, since Marvel is jonesing to team up all of their big movie heroes soon, that will help the producers fast-track Ant-Man and get us a new Edgar Wright movie sooner than later.

[Patrick J]

that would be pretty awesome actually. maybe there is something to be pulled from all of these tie in movies. maybe the ant-man movie, seing as its gonna have BOTH hank pym and scott lang, will show hank pym creating ultron as a side story or maybe have the ultron blueprints as an easter egg or something then he shows up in the avengers movie. iron man gave us shield, hulk gave us more, antman gives us ultron, cap sets up him being found in the ice, thor gives us something else. every movie is gonna give us a little piece of the avengers movie. im super excited now

Well, I'm of the opinion that Ultron should be used as the villain for the second movie. Ultron is going to be a great villain in the movie, but I'd hate to see the Avengers' film franchise shoot that load too soon. Just as I was, in hindsight a little annoyed that the Spider-Man franchise went an' used the Green Goblin in the first movie; in hindsight I'd rather Norman been there, in the first movie and we saw a gradual descent into madness for him and then see him emerge as the Green Goblin in the second or even the third movie. I also really wish they'd have introduced Gwen Stacy as the love interest in the first or second movie only to kill her later.

That being said, my idea and line of thought would be to have Hank Pym (played by Alan Tudyk) in the first movie (I don't think the Ant-Man flick will be out before the Avengers movie) and we'll see his two 'children' The Vision and Ultron in the movie, with the Vision (played by Doug Jones) definitely portrayed as the "golden child" and the favored son of Pym, with Ultron (CG played by Andy Serkis) being in the background and cast aside as Pym's android Igor type slave, with an obvious animosity towards the Vision. The Avengers fight some other "big bad," such as the Red Skull or Baron Zemo, and the final scenes of the Avengers movie feature Ultron tooling and fiddling around with himself in the lab; he'll have green eyes throughout the film and just as he finishes his own 'upgrades' we see his eyes begin to glow red, end scene. Roll credits.

As an addition to that I think it'd maybe be interesting to have Captain America, after getting unfrozen and after that first mission to subdue the Hulk, become unwilling to be in the Avengers and more interested in just living his life and putting his life back together after having been frozen for 50+ years. Only finally joining up and fighting alongside The Avengers after Baron Zemo or The Red Skull show up. I think it'd add a certain conflict and realistic depth to the character that (I hate to admit) has sometimes been missing from the comic book version.

[smm EBob]

im sure red skull and/or zemo will be in the cap movie so i dont think they will be the first avengers villain. same with loki even though technically he was the first avengers villain, he'll more than likely be the antagonist of the thor movie. i dont feel kang would make a good movie villain. masters of evil might work but spiderman 3 has shown that multiple villains has its downsides. same with the wrecking crew. taskmaster might work but highly unlikely. in my opinion, ultron is the only plausible choice.

[WilliamRichard1985]

Spoiler
I thought that the ending of the Hulk movie made it pretty clear that Bruce is getting close to being able to control himself as the hulk. Eyes go green and he's smirking. To me it's pretty clear that Marvel Studios is planting the idea of a talking, thinking Hulk that can be used as a real character in the Avengers movie.

For sure.

Hulk as a team member would be great especially if he's in the professor mode.

[WilliamRichard1985]

Having Pitt in this movie would probably be a selling point for Norton to sign up.

[NickT]

Is Ant-Man still a go? I was unsure, I saw an article with the temp logos for upcoming Marvel Studio films, which were Iron Man 2, Thor, The First Avenger: Captain America and The Avengers. No Ant-Man to be found. I was a bit bummed, cause I'd love to see them pull that one off.
Ant-Man has a writer and director assigned, but it hasn't been given an estimated release date. Might just be too early for that.


I agree, don't really know what they're thinking with that.
International markets, tying it into Avengers.

[NickT]

For sure.

Hulk as a team member would be great especially if he's in the professor mode.
But wouldn't that possibly hurt the Hulk movies? Hulk goes from a guy on the run to a guy in a superteam and on the good guys side?