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Tosie Bonner
05-28-2008, 02:55 PM
Interesting interview with Bill Willingham about DCU Decisions. Still don't know about this series though. Thoughts?

DCU: DECISIONS - Superheroes and Super Delegates
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16573

JoeE
05-28-2008, 02:58 PM
Sounds like something I'd like to read.

Ray G.
05-28-2008, 02:59 PM
I assume the title is just your opinion? Because I didn't see that mentioned.

I kind of figure he'd be a centrist liberal, though. And Batman would be a centrist conservative.

Fake Pat
05-28-2008, 03:00 PM
Didio manages to out shitty-idea himself.

Way to go Dan. Enjoy your last year as EIC.

GrandeMaestro F√ľnke
05-28-2008, 03:01 PM
Yeah pass for me. I'm really not interested in most of these superheroes talking politics.

RebootedCorpse
05-28-2008, 03:06 PM
I assume the title is just your opinion? Because I didn't see that mentioned.

I kind of figure he'd be a centrist liberal, though. And Batman would be a centrist conservative.

Batman's a fucking fascist.
Superman would be a Dem.

Keith P.
05-28-2008, 03:07 PM
Of course he is a liberal. He is an idealist. Idealists are almost always liberals.

Idealist = Liberal.


Realist = Conservative.

It's when they go to far to the right or left that Liberalism becomes Anarchy, and Conservatism becomes Facism.

Ray G.
05-28-2008, 03:10 PM
Batman's a fucking fascist.
Superman would be a Dem.

Batman's anti-gun and a major-league philanthropist. I don't think it's as clear-cut as all that. But I think he'd probably lean right of center.

Superman's also kind of tricky, given his midwestern upbringing. But he is a journalist...;)

TheKraken
05-28-2008, 03:12 PM
With enough prep time, Batman could form a successful 3rd political party.

RebootedCorpse
05-28-2008, 03:15 PM
Of course he is a liberal. He is an idealist. Idealists are almost always liberals.

Idealist = Liberal.


Realist = Conservative.

It's when they go to far to the right or left that Liberalism becomes Anarchy, and Conservatism becomes Facism.

:roll:

RebootedCorpse
05-28-2008, 03:16 PM
Batman's anti-gun and a major-league philanthropist. I don't think it's as clear-cut as all that. But I think he'd probably lean right of center.

Superman's also kind of tricky, given his midwestern upbringing. But he is a journalist...;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kODBQcOTJTk&eurl=http://video.aol.com/video-detail/batman-is-a-fascist/551642746

Ryan F
05-28-2008, 03:18 PM
Of course he is a liberal. He is an idealist. Idealists are almost always liberals.

Idealist = Liberal.


Realist = Conservative.

It's when they go to far to the right or left that Liberalism becomes Anarchy, and Conservatism becomes Facism.

I think conservatives fell off the realism wagon when they uttered the words "we will be greeted as liberators." ...not to mention the denial of a lot of basic scientific facts by many on the Right.

I think a better breakdown that I've seen is

Liberal - optimistic about human nature

Conservative - pessimistic about human nature

Ryan F
05-28-2008, 03:18 PM
Golden Age Superman was quite the pinko.

Mike
05-28-2008, 03:21 PM
I always saw Superman as an FDR-style Democrat.

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 03:21 PM
Interesting interview with Bill Willingham about DCU Decisions. Still don't know about this series though. Thoughts?

DCU: DECISIONS - Superheroes and Super Delegates
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16573

Probably one of one the worst ideas for a comic yet IMO.

Matt Jay
05-28-2008, 03:25 PM
I think it's bad business to inject politics into characters with such a large pre-existing fanbase. It will alienate many. But this sounds like a book I'd like to read.

MikeCosta
05-28-2008, 03:29 PM
This reminds me of a website I stumbled upon a year or two ago which attempted to list the religious beliefs of major superheroes, taking clues from their stories and interviews with creators. I remember in particular some big bat-writer (I feel like it might have been Denny O'Neil) quoted as saying "Well, of course Batman is Episcopalian. He doesn't make any sense otherwise." I always remembered that quote as an interesting angle on the character.

That said, other than certain characters who have a certain dogma that absolutely defines them (Matt Murdock has to be a Catholic, Ollie Queen has to be a progressive "wacko" liberal) "revealing" the political affiliations of iconic heroes just smacks to me of both a stunt and an stinks of agenda.

Even if they keep things split fairly evenly ("Superman's a Democrat, but Batman's a Republican, so everyone wins!") I seriously question the motive behind this. It'll just ignite useless arguments that in no way actually enrich our understandings of the characters. If CAPTAIN AMERICA can stay politically neural, as he is almost always portrayed, then by God Superman should. If I can risk saying something ridiculous; the "real" Superman would never make his politics known, whatever they may be, for fear of influencing others. Shame on DC for not following their own fictional character's example.

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 03:29 PM
I think it's bad business to inject politics into characters with such a large pre-existing fanbase. It will alienate many. But this sounds like a book I'd like to read.

Not to mention the fact that giving the superheroes political labels makes them less cool.

Who gives a shit if Superman would vote for Hillary? I want Superman to blow things up, not vote.

RebootedCorpse
05-28-2008, 03:30 PM
The problem with this is all the different writers have injected various beliefs into the heroes. Miller's Batman is definitely a fascist, while O'Neil's is a practically Jimmy Carter..

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 03:37 PM
The problem with this is all the different writers have injected various beliefs into the heroes. Miller's Batman is definitely a fascist, while O'Neil's is a practically Jimmy Carter..

Well this was fine, different writers having different interpretations of the character. But when you have a mini series that declares Batman a liberal/conservative, future writters are stuck with that label.

which again, is stupid.

Im not the one to be so fanboyish about what goes on in comics, but damn does Dideo manages to piss me off on a regular basis

Matt Jay
05-28-2008, 03:41 PM
Not to mention the fact that giving the superheroes political labels makes them less cool.

Who gives a shit if Superman would vote for Hillary? I want Superman to blow things up, not vote.

It would take a hell of a story to explain why he'd vote for that clown, and I'd like to read it. Even blowing shit up is boring if there's no good story behind it. IMO, anyway. Injecting politics into comics can be interesting and intelligent, but like I said, it's bad business.

DAVE
05-28-2008, 03:43 PM
This sounds like the worst idea for a comics series I've ever heard of.

Bill Nolan
05-28-2008, 03:45 PM
Stephane Roux is being criminally wasted by DC Editorial. Wasted.

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 03:46 PM
It would take a hell of a story to explain why he'd vote for that clown, and I'd like to read it. Even blowing shit up is boring if there's no good story behind it. IMO, anyway. Injecting politics into comics can be interesting and intelligent, but like I said, it's bad business.

Agreed on all counts. What I meant to imply is that revealing Superman;s political affiliations does nothing to intice (sic) me to buy a superman book

RebootedCorpse
05-28-2008, 03:49 PM
Beating EVS to the punch.
"I already read this story"
http://www.hillcity-comics.com/toys/else_superman.jpg

Amos Moses
05-28-2008, 03:50 PM
He can't be a Democrat! He can't be a Republican either! He's a goddamn illegal alien! He landed on Kansas but never bothered to visit the INS or take the citizenship test. I say we send the fence hopper back to Krypton.

Ray G.
05-28-2008, 03:52 PM
He can't be a Democrat! He can't be a Republican either! He's a goddamn illegal alien! He landed on Kansas but never bothered to visit the INS or take the citizenship test. I say we send the fence hopper back to Krypton.

:no:

He was legally born on American soil, and fuck the retcons.

RebootedCorpse
05-28-2008, 03:53 PM
He can't be a Democrat! He can't be a Republican either! He's a goddamn illegal alien! He landed on Kansas but never bothered to visit the INS or take the citizenship test. I say we send the fence hopper back to Krypton.

He steeled my job!
http://www.pulpfictioncomics.com.au/Images/TrialsOfShazamCv1.jpg

DAVE
05-28-2008, 03:56 PM
"Green Arrow Endorses Davis Brewster... LIBERALLY!"
Seriously.

Amos Moses
05-28-2008, 03:57 PM
He steeled my job!
http://www.pulpfictioncomics.com.au/Images/TrialsOfShazamCv1.jpg

Damn right. I'm going to go help Marvel build a net around America.

Tosie Bonner
05-28-2008, 03:58 PM
Stephane Roux is being criminally wasted by DC Editorial. Wasted.

Agreed. ;)

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
05-28-2008, 03:59 PM
With Manhunter coming book, and now this book, I'll be back up to two DC title that I'll be reading. Color me interested.

DAVE
05-28-2008, 04:00 PM
Damn right. I'm going to go help Marvel build a net around America.
Are you going to do it...CONSERVATIVELY?

Amos Moses
05-28-2008, 04:01 PM
Are you going to do it...CONSERVATIVELY?

No! We'll build nets LIBERALLY around America! Fuck Yeah!


:no:

He was legally born on American soil, and fuck the retcons.


Bullpies! Superman is the ultimate anchor baby. His parents drop him and use him to come to our planet. Well fuck you Jor-el, we don't want your dirty alien ass here. Oh I know he'll go on and on about how he has a big alien brain and everything, but that didn't help him save his shitty planet from burning up. Besides if you let Superman you have to let them all in, just look at MARTIAN Manhunter. Whos next? The Rapists of Rigel VII?

DAVE
05-28-2008, 04:04 PM
I really hope creators at Marvel are making fun of DC about doing this.

Slewo.O
05-28-2008, 04:05 PM
With Manhunter coming book, and now this book, I'll be back up to two DC title that I'll be reading. Color me interested.

....... Pick up all the current Geoff Johns books and then come back.

Shame on you.

Ray G.
05-28-2008, 04:08 PM
I actually find the concept very interesting. But Bill Willingham's DC work has been uneven, and Judd Winick...yeah.

I love speculating about where they'd fall. I actually think the four Earth GLs perfectly fit the four candidates.

Kyle Rayner - Liberal Democrat
John Stewart - Centrist Democrat
Hal Jordan - Centrist Republican
Guy Gardner - Conservative Republican

Amos Moses
05-28-2008, 04:11 PM
Honestly I think it would be a lot funner to speculate on Villain's political leanings.

I bet Juggernaut is a cloest Socialist.

Mister Mets
05-28-2008, 04:11 PM
This could be an interesting project, or absolute crap.

It's a lot easier to do with creator-owned superheroes, but revealing details like a known superheroes' political leanings/ religion should humanize the icons, even to the readers who disagree with them.

Mister Mets
05-28-2008, 04:13 PM
And I second Willingham's idea for Hawk and Dove. That's a great approach for the series.

Slewo.O
05-28-2008, 04:16 PM
This could be an interesting project, or absolute crap.

It's a lot easier to do with creator-owned superheroes, but revealing details like a known superheroes' political leanings/ religion should humanize the icons, even to the readers who disagree with them.

I vote absolute crap. Shit is going to flip if we find out Batman and Superman's politics.

This also goes against stuff like Superman for instance saying in a recent Action Comics issue that he's for everyone not for one group.

TheKraken
05-28-2008, 04:49 PM
This sounds like the worst idea for a comics series I've ever heard of.

Clearly you don't yet know about the mini in December where the DC heroes tell us their favorite movies of 2008...

Tosie Bonner
05-28-2008, 04:54 PM
Clearly you don't yet know about the mini in December where the DC heroes tell us their favorite movies of 2008...

I bet they're Warner Bros. films...

Jerome Gibbons
05-28-2008, 04:55 PM
Well this was fine, different writers having different interpretations of the character. But when you have a mini series that declares Batman a liberal/conservative, future writters are stuck with that label.

I'm pretty sure writers will just ignore this miniseries a year after it's over and forget it ever happened.

Fake Pat
05-28-2008, 04:56 PM
I'm pretty sure writers will just ignore this miniseries a year after it's over and forget it ever happened.

Much like readers already have.

Jerome Gibbons
05-28-2008, 04:57 PM
:no:

He was legally born on American soil, and fuck the retcons.
Most Superman interpretations have him arriving on Earth as full born baby. Everything else is Byrne "birthing matrix" crap.

Vonn Hennigar
05-28-2008, 04:59 PM
Most Superman interpretations have him arriving on Earth as full born baby. Everything else is Byrne "birthing matrix" crap.

I'm pretty sure Ray thinks comics didn't exist pre-1992.

DAVE
05-28-2008, 05:00 PM
Much like readers already have.

Nope, this one is gonna live on as one of those extra laughable shitty projects. This'll be the butt of jokes for a while.

Ethan Van Sciver
05-28-2008, 06:02 PM
People will want to read this, and it'll promote discussion. But yeah, I think that everyone feels more comfortable projecting their own politics on these characters, and we ought to keep things like that vague enough for them to do so. Superman is NOT a Democrat. He is not a Republican. He is beyond things like that.

RickLM
05-28-2008, 06:09 PM
Wow, what a terrible idea. It sounds like a calculated attempt to generate some news stories during the election -- CNN will do the inevitable "Batman voting for McCain?" story.

DAVE
05-28-2008, 06:11 PM
And I second Willingham's idea for Hawk and Dove. That's a great approach for the series.
I agree, I think the idea is actually pretty good for that series, but for this- retardo.

Mister Mets
05-28-2008, 06:16 PM
People will want to read this, and it'll promote discussion. But yeah, I think that everyone feels more comfortable projecting their own politics on these characters, and we ought to keep things like that vague enough for them to do so. Superman is NOT a Democrat. He is not a Republican. He is beyond things like that.
I don't know. There are benefits to forcing writers to portray unambiguous heroes as having politics they disagree with.

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 06:18 PM
People will want to read this, and it'll promote discussion. But yeah, I think that everyone feels more comfortable projecting their own politics on these characters, and we ought to keep things like that vague enough for them to do so. Superman is NOT a Democrat. He is not a Republican. He is beyond things like that.

Ethan, this is one of the few times you and I wil disagree.

If you had an episode of Buffy,Angel, or Lost where the characters sit around discussing their political affiliations, viewers would leave in droves. The same thing will happen here.

I guarantee you that most fans dont give a shit about their favorite superhero's polticial preference. They just dont. We just want our favorite superheroes to be involved in cool, interesting stories. That's it. And Dideo seems to be doing his best to make sure that doesnt happen.

Ethan Van Sciver
05-28-2008, 06:20 PM
Ethan, this is one of the few times you and I wil disagree.

If you had an episode of Buffy,Angel, or Lost where the characters sit around discussing their political affiliations, viewers would leave in droves. The same thing will happen here.

I guarantee you that most fans dont give a shit about their favorite superhero's polticial preference. They just dont. We just want our favorite superheroes to be involved in cool, interesting stories. That's it. And Dideo seems to be doing his best to make sure that doesnt happen.

We're not disagreeing. Read my post again.

I believe that people will buy and read this series just for the "WTF?!!?" factor, but long term, it's not good for the fans.

Mr. Sean
05-28-2008, 06:24 PM
Wow, what a terrible idea. It sounds like a calculated attempt to generate some news stories during the election -- CNN will do the inevitable "Batman voting for McCain?" story.

Thats what i was thinking. It seems less like an idea for a good comic and more like a blatent way to immitate Marvel's recent media coverage successes of the past few years.

Fake Pat
05-28-2008, 06:28 PM
Not only is this a shit idea, I can't believe that Roux is gonna be wasted on this.

DC wastes another great artist on a crap series. This is Chiang on GA/BC all over again.

DAVE
05-28-2008, 06:30 PM
Not only is this a shit idea, I can't believe that Roux is gonna be wasted on this.

DC wastes another great artist on a crap series. This is Chiang on GA/BC all over again.
It's okay, they'll be on top ten books once they sign Marvel exclusives.

Ethan Van Sciver
05-28-2008, 06:31 PM
It's okay, they'll be on top ten books once they sign Marvel exclusives.

:(

Joe Kalicki
05-28-2008, 06:35 PM
Not only is this a shit idea, I can't believe that Roux is gonna be wasted on this.

DC wastes another great artist on a crap series. This is Chiang on GA/BC all over again.

Maybe Chiang just likes working with Winnick. This isn't the first time.

DAVE
05-28-2008, 06:36 PM
:(

Honestly, you're one of the few artists I can think of whose profile raised when going to DC. I just don't DC editorial does a good job maximizing their artistic talent, IMO.

Bill Nolan
05-28-2008, 06:37 PM
Maybe Chiang just likes working with Winnick. This isn't the first time.

Well, he's working with Neil Young on an OGN from DC now... so no Marvel for awhile, at least.

Fake Pat
05-28-2008, 06:37 PM
Honestly, you're one of the few artists I can think of whose profile raised when going to DC. I just don't DC editorial does a good job maximizing their artistic talent, IMO.

I think that goes for writers too.

RickLM
05-28-2008, 06:39 PM
Well, he's working with Neil Young on an OGN from DC now... so no Marvel for awhile, at least.



Neil Young?! That's news to me. I'll buy.

Fake Pat
05-28-2008, 06:41 PM
Well, he's working with Neil Young on an OGN from DC now... so no Marvel for awhile, at least.

Really? Cool.

Bill Nolan
05-28-2008, 06:44 PM
Neil Young?! That's news to me. I'll buy.

From Cliff's web site, following the New York Comic Con: "At the Vertigo panel, they announced Iíll be drawing the Greendale hardcover graphic novel, written by Josh Dysart and inspired by Neil Youngís concept album of the same name (wha? Yes, THAT Neil Young). Itís a beautiful story, and Iím very proud to be part of the team. Weíre going to keep the artwork under wraps for now..."

Ethan Van Sciver
05-28-2008, 06:47 PM
Honestly, you're one of the few artists I can think of whose profile raised when going to DC. I just don't DC editorial does a good job maximizing their artistic talent, IMO.

It's mostly because I'm an extraordinary talent whose genius has only barely been tapped, but DC is a great company. I have to think some creators are just accepting projects that their hearts aren't it, because it's not editorial's fault, and it's not the characters' faults. People do have to stand up and ask for what they want, and then once they get it, drive it hard. Look at Gail on WW. Geoff and Ivan on Lantern. We all make our own opportunities and luck.

cmoney
05-28-2008, 06:49 PM
I have no interest at all in reading or even knowing the things this series is going to be about. DC really mystifies the crap out of me sometimes.

Marcdachamp
05-28-2008, 07:04 PM
Here's the thing: revealing a character's political affiliation early on in their lifespan or as part of a plot point is one thing, but these are icons you're dealing with. Not a bright move by any means.

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 07:43 PM
I think that goes for writers too.

QFT. Has anyone currently at DC "broken out" like Fraction or Slott has at Marvel?

Fake Pat
05-28-2008, 07:45 PM
QFT. Has anyone currently at DC "broken out" like Fraction or Slott has at Marvel?

Guggenheim's another good example. Gets fucked over on Flash by DC, then gets a big X-Men launch and a stop on Amazing Spider-Man at Marvel.

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 07:54 PM
Guggenheim's another good example. Gets fucked over on Flash by DC, then gets a big X-Men launch and a stop on Amazing Spider-Man at Marvel.

Let's not forget the inverse. Tony Bedard's and Sean McKeever's careers have not benefited from their move to DC

Joe Kalicki
05-28-2008, 07:57 PM
Let's not forget the inverse. Tony Bedard's and Sean McKeever's careers have not benefited from their move to DC

Oh yeah, they were doing so well at Marvel. :roll:

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 08:02 PM
Oh yeah, they were doing so well at Marvel. :roll:

I can't say they were, but at least they had steady work at Marvel. Granted, McKeever seems to have a prject or two at DC, but Bedard seems to be totally fucked. How many books have they taken away from him? 2? 3?

Ray G.
05-28-2008, 08:04 PM
McKeever's writing one of DC's top books. I'd say his career is on an upward trajectory. :mistrust:

Steve Q
05-28-2008, 08:06 PM
McKeever's writing one of DC's top books. I'd say his career is on an upward trajectory. :mistrust:

teen titans?

The Hodag
05-28-2008, 10:58 PM
This is exactly the kind of project that I should hate, but I find myself fascinated by it. Just as Alias was sort of this pocket of the Marvel Universe where subjects like sex and relationships between superheroes could be handled with genuine maturity, I imagine it'd be theoretically possible to do the same with politics. I'd still prefer the specifics stay out of the mainstream books, but on a side project?

Possibilities.

That said, I have a feeling the execution's gonna hamstring this one. Winick is far more miss than hit for me, and his usual handling of politics and social issues is so agenda-based it embarasses me as a liberal. Willingham's a much sharper writer overall, but his superhero stuff tends to be weak. Might the political content help him rise to the occasion? Maybe. I actually enjoyed his interview on the topic and I'm very interested in the "how" of this book's production.

As someone who's written off most of DC's mainstream (I like mostly self-contained books like Batman & the Outsiders, Robin, All-Star Supes, and Nightwing), this is something that's actually got me curious. First event book from DC I can say that of in ages.

BENDIS!
05-28-2008, 11:34 PM
Wow.

The Hodag
05-28-2008, 11:44 PM
Wow.

You didn't know about it? Geez, I just figured the creator grapevine would leak such stuff months in advance.

Joe Henderson
05-29-2008, 12:18 AM
I'm more interested in the Hawk and Dove idea Willingham talked about. It's an interesting way to make the two characters interesting and also be able to tell new and unique stories.

Benel Germosen
05-29-2008, 12:36 AM
Saber and Cannon are both Jeffersonian Democrats.

Slewo.O
05-29-2008, 04:30 AM
I can't say they were, but at least they had steady work at Marvel. Granted, McKeever seems to have a prject or two at DC, but Bedard seems to be totally fucked. How many books have they taken away from him? 2? 3?

I think Tony Bedard is the permenant writer on BOP.

Dreg
05-29-2008, 07:28 AM
I think it'll be:

Carter Hall: ultra-conservative
Wally West/Barry Allen: moderate conservative
Superman/Batman: moderate liberal
Ollie Queen: extreme liberal

DAVE
05-29-2008, 07:29 AM
Gee wilickers, I can't wait to see what Aquaman's stance on stemcell research is!

The Dean
05-29-2008, 07:31 AM
I've always thought that super heroes, in general, were Democrats- mostly because they take active roles in helping people.

There are a few exceptions like the Punisher and other anti-heroes who would be more like Republicans but the "tights and cape" crowd have always seemed more liberal to me.

Hoggie
05-29-2008, 07:31 AM
double post sorry

Hoggie
05-29-2008, 07:32 AM
Politicizing superheros is bs. I like the Marvel world politics of Civil War but relating them to actual US politics is dumb.

Plus, is Supes a dem because he is an illegal alien?

Hoggie
05-29-2008, 07:32 AM
triple post, sorry

ClintP
05-29-2008, 07:34 AM
With enough prep time, Batman could form a successful 3rd political party.

Tell him to please hurry...

Joe Kalicki
05-29-2008, 01:25 PM
I wonder what Uncle Sam is.

Benel Germosen
05-29-2008, 01:39 PM
I wonder what Uncle Sam is.

Jacksonian Democrat.

SteveZegers
05-29-2008, 01:49 PM
This is a really interesting concept. No idea how it will translate, or if it will be even moderately entertaining, But I like the idea. Looking forward to seeing the art too.

Dave S.
05-29-2008, 02:16 PM
I think conservatives fell off the realism wagon when they uttered the words "we will be greeted as liberators." ...not to mention the denial of a lot of basic scientific facts by many on the Right.

I think a better breakdown that I've seen is

Liberal - optimistic about human nature

Conservative - pessimistic about human nature

I'm pretty pessimistic about human nature, but I have far left liberal ideals. I think people won't care for each other naturally, which is why government needs to be created to remind us that things like good health and good education for all citizens is beneficial to the nation and therefore ultimately beneficial for the individual. Because when left to their own devices, many people will advance themselves at the cost of their fellow man.

Arion
05-29-2008, 02:41 PM
Interesting interview with Bill Willingham about DCU Decisions. Still don't know about this series though. Thoughts?

DCU: DECISIONS - Superheroes and Super Delegates
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16573

Willingham is a good writer, but I'm still unsure about this.

Ben
05-29-2008, 02:44 PM
Politicizing superheros is bs. I like the Marvel world politics of Civil War but relating them to actual US politics is dumb.Yeah, this seems like a bad idea. I'm not even liking the speculation (beyond the obvious Green Arrow/Hawkman)

mike black
05-29-2008, 02:51 PM
With enough prep time, Batman could form a successful 3rd political party.

:rofl:

Steve Q
05-29-2008, 04:51 PM
Politicizing superheros is bs. I like the Marvel world politics of Civil War but relating them to actual US politics is dumb.

Plus, is Supes a dem because he is an illegal alien?

you know Ive been pretty tough on DC for this mini series, and now that i think about it, Marvel essentially did the same thing in Civil War.

Do you guys agree or disagree?

bachman
05-29-2008, 04:51 PM
Didio manages to out shitty-idea himself.

Way to go Dan. Enjoy your last year as EIC.

You're just a very angry young man overall, aren't you?

kylethoreau
05-29-2008, 05:03 PM
Of course he is a liberal. He is an idealist. Idealists are almost always liberals.

Idealist = Liberal.


Realist = Conservative.

It's when they go to far to the right or left that Liberalism becomes Anarchy, and Conservatism becomes Facism.

that has got to be the smartest thing I've ever seen on the internet 8-)

Special Agent Bachman
05-29-2008, 05:29 PM
I wish Ethan were writing and drawing this all by himself. It'd be epic.