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Criden
06-05-2005, 04:28 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/wwphilly05/Marvel/Ultimate/Ult_FF_21_int_4.jpg

Wait, why's Sue look completely different in this one?

http://www.newsarama.com/wwphilly05/Marvel/Ultimate/Ult_FF_21_int_3.jpg

Wow, you know, they almost look like photographs!

Mark
06-05-2005, 04:29 PM
Welcome to Landland.

The Human Target
06-05-2005, 04:29 PM
Yeah I noticed the Holmes look alike earlier.

NickT
06-05-2005, 04:31 PM
Looks good.

joeAR
06-05-2005, 04:31 PM
Photo references, Hitch uses em also.

JABSEN
06-05-2005, 04:32 PM
Yeppers

JABSEN
06-05-2005, 04:33 PM
Photo references, Hitch uses em also.Hitch uses Photo reference.Land traces stuff

joeAR
06-05-2005, 04:34 PM
Hitch uses Photo reference.Land traces stuff


It looks damn good nontheless

Ben Rosen
06-05-2005, 04:35 PM
i think the coloring is the best part of those pages.

joeAR
06-05-2005, 04:38 PM
i think the coloring is the best part of those pages.


Millar posted a couple of those penciled pages on his site a month/2 ago and damn they were awsome also

Criden
06-05-2005, 04:39 PM
Wait, guys, they look good, yes, but I wasn't complimenting them. I was showing you that Land traces.

joeAR
06-05-2005, 04:40 PM
Wait, guys, they look good, yes, but I wasn't complimenting them. I was showing you that Land traces.


They look good.

Criden
06-05-2005, 04:41 PM
They look good.

Yes. Agreed.

But he traces!

NickT
06-05-2005, 04:41 PM
Wait, guys, they look good, yes, but I wasn't complimenting them. I was showing you that Land traces.
No, you're showing that you claim it. Nothing more.

Ben Rosen
06-05-2005, 04:41 PM
he might be just really really good at drawing from reference.

Mark
06-05-2005, 04:42 PM
No, you're showing that you claim it. Nothing more.
Oh please. This isn't the first time with Land, as I recall.

JABSEN
06-05-2005, 04:43 PM
Oh please. This isn't the first time with Land, as I recall.I wish I had the Wolverine and I think the wrestler's name is Triple H.He's used it for Wolvie numerous times

NickT
06-05-2005, 04:43 PM
Oh please. This isn't the first time with Land, as I recall.
First time that what? His characters look like someone?

joeAR
06-05-2005, 04:43 PM
Yes. Agreed.

But he traces!


They look good ;)

Mark
06-05-2005, 04:45 PM
First time that what? His characters look like someone?
No, that every aspect of the art, including the pose, mirrors that of a published photo of a celebrity.

joeAR
06-05-2005, 04:46 PM
No, that every aspect of the art, including the pose, mirrors that of a published photo of a celebrity.

They look good

Patton
06-05-2005, 04:49 PM
guess I've never seen the pics you're referring to.

but either way--looks awesome. And until I see the pics--I won't belive that they're identical.

NickT
06-05-2005, 04:49 PM
No, that every aspect of the art, including the pose, mirrors that of a published photo of a celebrity.
That doesn't prove that he traces though. You know, the Mona Lisa mirrored exactly what someone who was sitting down looked like, did the artist trace that?






And of course, we come down to the ultimate question: If it looks good, who cares?

joeAR
06-05-2005, 04:52 PM
That doesn't prove that he traces though. You know, the Mona Lisa mirrored exactly what someone who was sitting down looked like, did the artist trace that?






And of course, we come down to the ultimate question: If it looks good, who cares?


I agree with everything that was said here including the part about the mona lisa

Corwin: Bear Fighter
06-05-2005, 05:00 PM
That doesn't prove that he traces though. You know, the Mona Lisa mirrored exactly what someone who was sitting down looked like, did the artist trace that?






And of course, we come down to the ultimate question: If it looks good, who cares?

You want to know who cares? Artists with some fucking integrity, that's who.

Thudpucker
06-05-2005, 05:15 PM
Beautiful art, wow. But he makes Sue look too old.

TheKraken
06-05-2005, 05:30 PM
Still not weirder than Deodato putting Robert DeNiro in ASM. Took me right outta the story. At least the colors help it look a wee bit less like Katie Holmes...

Ben
06-05-2005, 05:44 PM
I don't see the resemblance

http://www.deansplanet.com/images/celebs/broads/katie_holmes/katie_holmes-scary-lip_03.jpg

Criden
06-05-2005, 05:48 PM
Oh please. This isn't the first time with Land, as I recall.

Agreed, but I also agree that it looks good.


Blah, blah, blah ;)

Oh, Nick.


You want to know who cares? Artists with some fucking integrity, that's who.

Again, I do agree. Again, it looks very good.

Ben
06-05-2005, 05:55 PM
And that dragon from Sojourn, that was just a trace of a photo of the dragon from Dragonheart on the red carpet at the movie's premiere!

Thudpucker
06-05-2005, 05:56 PM
You want to know who cares? Artists with some fucking integrity, that's who.

But if he painted from those referances, like Alex Ross does for example, instead of drawing them he wouldn't be getting a hard time about it would he?

Ben
06-05-2005, 05:59 PM
I'm sorry, if all it were was tracing, anyone could do it and would be doing it. He's definitely got talent.

NickT
06-05-2005, 06:01 PM
I'm sorry, if all it were was tracing, anyone could do it and would be doing it. He's definitely got talent.
Yeah! :)

joeAR
06-05-2005, 06:07 PM
But if he painted from those referances, like Alex Ross does for example, instead of drawing them he wouldn't be getting a hard time about it would he?


Bingo.

THWIP!
06-05-2005, 06:19 PM
I'm sorry, if all it were was tracing, anyone could do it and would be doing it. He's definitely got talent.
I agree

jordan michael
06-05-2005, 06:25 PM
fuck that! i want to see the thing beat up some dinosaurs!

Ben
06-05-2005, 06:29 PM
fuck that! i want to see the thing beat up some dinosaurs!
Then just go watch Jurassic Park, since he just traced screenshots of Jeff Goldblum beating up dinosaurs in that movie.

jordan michael
06-05-2005, 06:33 PM
Then just go watch Jurassic Park, since he just traced screenshots of Jeff Goldblum beating up dinosaurs in that movie.
i'll fuckin' show you jeff goldblum!

joeAR
06-05-2005, 06:34 PM
Then just go watch Jurassic Park, since he just traced screenshots of Jeff Goldblum beating up dinosaurs in that movie.

Jeff Goldbum's The Thing?

V-Man
06-05-2005, 06:39 PM
Land is ausome!

batphone begins
06-05-2005, 06:52 PM
greg lands kind of a hack, he just traces/copies photos.

V-Man
06-05-2005, 06:53 PM
greg lands kind of a hack, he just traces/copies photos.


Examples???---

batphone begins
06-05-2005, 06:54 PM
Examples???---

remember that Punisher Wolverine mini? one of the covers wolverine looks like Triple H cuz IT IS.

joeAR
06-05-2005, 06:55 PM
greg lands kind of a hack, he just traces/copies photos.


And do you know this for a fact?

Thudpucker
06-05-2005, 06:56 PM
greg lands kind of a hack, he just traces/copies photos.

You're kind of a hack, you're just repeating what others have said ;)

joeAR
06-05-2005, 06:56 PM
You're kind of a hack, you're just repeating what others have said ;)


BOOYA!

Patton
06-05-2005, 06:57 PM
You're kind of a hack, you're just repeating what others have said ;)
ha!

yes.

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)
06-05-2005, 07:04 PM
Hitch uses Photo reference.Land traces stuff

Says you. Have you seen him work?

Corwin: Bear Fighter
06-05-2005, 07:05 PM
But if he painted from those referances, like Alex Ross does for example, instead of drawing them he wouldn't be getting a hard time about it would he?

I'm not a big Alex Ross fan either. I'm tired of reading comics about Ross's friends dressed in costumes.

joeAR
06-05-2005, 07:05 PM
Says you. Have you seen him work?


Appearently he has a camera inside Land's house that records everything Land does

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)
06-05-2005, 07:07 PM
remember that Punisher Wolverine mini? one of the covers wolverine looks like Triple H cuz IT IS.

Because he used photo reference. Remember Bendis and Macks' Wake Up storyline? Why does Peter Parker look like Leonardo Dicaprio? Why does the Scarlet Witch photo Mack painted in the Disassembled Prologue look like Natalie Portman? Why does Hitch's Fury lool like Sam Jackson? What about that Mayhew painting of the King of Spain that he used to turn into a picture of Magneto? Why don't you blame them?

jordan michael
06-05-2005, 07:10 PM
Appearently he has a camera inside Land's house that records everything Land does
like that guy in front of me who KNOWS bendis is allowed to run rampant through marvel, but thinks claremont should have freedom to write shit about talking dinosaurs.

Ben Rosen
06-05-2005, 07:11 PM
like that guy in front of me who KNOWS bendis is allowed to run rampant through marvel, but thinks claremont should have freedom to write shit about talking dinosaurs.

yeah that was hilarious when quesada got mad. and quesada was right, too.

batphone begins
06-05-2005, 07:12 PM
You're kind of a hack, you're just repeating what others have said ;)

That remark is dripping with sexual tension

batphone begins
06-05-2005, 07:13 PM
Because he used photo reference. Remember Bendis and Macks' Wake Up storyline? Why does Peter Parker look like Leonardo Dicaprio? Why does the Scarlet Witch photo Mack painted in the Disassembled Prologue look like Natalie Portman? Why does Hitch's Fury lool like Sam Jackson? What about that Mayhew painting of the King of Spain that he used to turn into a picture of Magneto? Why don't you blame them?

why don't you shut up :D

joeAR
06-05-2005, 07:13 PM
why don't you shut up :D


The man speaks the truth :D

jordan michael
06-05-2005, 07:14 PM
yeah that was hilarious when quesada got mad. and quesada was right, too.
yeah. quesada and buckly definitly put that asshole in his place. claremont isn't over the hill as much as being assraped in a ditch down the street from the hill. i was going to go up to him at the con, but i really didn't want to insult him, which is what i would have done. i love his old stuff, but i think he needs to be stopped. the guy who said that was also probably a john byrne fan.

TheKraken
06-05-2005, 07:43 PM
You know, the major difference between Greg Land and Alex Ross (or Land's work and the Mona Lisa) is that Land doesn't have permission to use these famous peoples' faces. Marvel's bizarre fascination with shoehorning real people into their books is really gonna fuck them up soon... This shit with the king of Spain is only the beginning... As soon as some vain movie star finds out some one's been profiting from their likeness, that McFarlane vs. Tony Twist lawsuit's gonna look like crumbs...

moonspider
06-05-2005, 07:46 PM
:cool:

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)
06-05-2005, 08:16 PM
The man speaks the truth :D

What man?

joeAR
06-05-2005, 08:50 PM
What man?


You.....no sleep, no tv, no food make joeAR incoherent

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)
06-05-2005, 08:56 PM
Ahh... understood. Gracias.

BGPu
06-05-2005, 09:41 PM
I think Ross uses plenty of photo-reference in his work. But there's a bit of difference in photographing buddies in costumes as reference for positioning & lighting and just copying a headshot out of People magazine or some other celeb rag like Land seems to do.

Childress
06-05-2005, 09:47 PM
I think Ross uses plenty of photo-reference in his work. But there's a bit of difference in photographing buddies in costumes as reference for positioning & lighting and just copying a headshot out of People magazine or some other celeb rag like Land seems to do.

photoref is a photo ref is a photo ref....and someone earlier mentioned exact poses, how come nobody has mentioned taki? do you think she traces? that's what I thought, so everyone stop being little bitches.

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)
06-05-2005, 09:59 PM
photoref is a photo ref is a photo ref....and someone earlier mentioned exact poses, how come nobody has mentioned taki? do you think she traces? that's what I thought, so everyone stop being little bitches.

Nice. :cool:

james michael
06-05-2005, 10:21 PM
guess I've never seen the pics you're referring to.

but either way--looks awesome. And until I see the pics--I won't belive that they're identical.

well, in some old ish of wizard, he did a drawing board all about how to use photo reference...

batphone begins
06-05-2005, 10:30 PM
http://www.thepunishercomics.com/past_news/april_2004/wolverine-punisher5.jpg

http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10054000/10054744.jpg

The Roman Candle
06-05-2005, 10:31 PM
Does he trace? I don't know.
Does his art cause me to trace something in my pants?
Maybe.

It's a masturbation euphemism, and the answer is 'yes.'

Alex K.
06-05-2005, 10:56 PM
http://www.thepunishercomics.com/past_news/april_2004/wolverine-punisher5.jpg

http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10054000/10054744.jpg

It's clearly the same pose and he might have used it as a reference, but it's not nearly close enough to be literally traced.

james michael
06-05-2005, 11:00 PM
i think most peoples problem stems from the fact that there are many underappreciated artists who dont use photo reference at all, while land gets oodles and oodles of praise for the simple task of drawing whatever picture hes looking at, tho im pretty sure if he traced hed have the rep of liefield by now...

Alex K.
06-05-2005, 11:27 PM
i think most peoples problem stems from the fact that there are many underappreciated artists who dont use photo reference at all, while land gets oodles and oodles of praise for the simple task of drawing whatever picture hes looking at, tho im pretty sure if he traced hed have the rep of liefield by now...

Thing is there's so much more to being a comic artist than just the technical drawing of a face or figure. I could honestly care less whether an artist can draw a perfect pose from memory or if they have to use a lightboard and a cover of US Weekly. It has nothing to do with their ability to tell a story using the pictures they create, however they choose create them.

NickT
06-06-2005, 01:40 AM
http://www.thepunishercomics.com/past_news/april_2004/wolverine-punisher5.jpg

http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10054000/10054744.jpg
His arms and head look at different angles to me.

Mike Haseloff
06-06-2005, 01:47 AM
Yeah I noticed the Holmes look alike earlier.I still can't tell which is supposed to look like Katie Holmes.


OOooOOoO!!! They're on a beach!
You don't suppose?... :heybaby:

Patton
06-06-2005, 03:16 AM
It's clearly the same pose and he might have used it as a reference, but it's not nearly close enough to be literally traced.nor is it an exclusive pose that that guy just made up.

Ben
06-06-2005, 06:10 PM
i think most peoples problem stems from the fact that there are many underappreciated artists who dont use photo reference at all, while land gets oodles and oodles of praise for the simple task of drawing whatever picture hes looking at, tho im pretty sure if he traced hed have the rep of liefield by now...
If that's what he really does, then those other artists are just stupid for not doing themselves and making tons of money.

andrew french
06-06-2005, 06:19 PM
http://www.thepunishercomics.com/past_news/april_2004/wolverine-punisher5.jpg

http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10054000/10054744.jpg

wow, how high are wolverine's pants supposed to be in that picture?

Mike Haseloff
06-06-2005, 06:23 PM
nor is it an exclusive pose that that guy just made up.No. Only he may raise his arms in such a manner.

TonyFleecs
06-06-2005, 06:38 PM
Psst........ everybody uses pohto ref.

NickT
06-06-2005, 06:40 PM
No. Only he may raise his arms in such a manner.
Does he reguarly sue people stretching after just waking up?

james michael
06-06-2005, 06:42 PM
Psst........ everybody uses pohto ref.
for poses and lighting effects, not for who the character looks like...

Mike Haseloff
06-06-2005, 06:45 PM
Does he reguarly sue people stretching after just waking up?He should! He's the game!

NickT
06-06-2005, 06:46 PM
He should! He's the game!
He's a Michael Douglas movie?

TheKraken
06-06-2005, 06:49 PM
http://www.thepunishercomics.com/past_news/april_2004/wolverine-punisher5.jpg

http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10054000/10054744.jpg

Traced, photo referenced, or completely made up out of his head... that image is fucking awful...

Mike Haseloff
06-06-2005, 06:50 PM
He's a Michael Douglas movie?Next time Gadget. Next time.


Traced, photo referenced, or completely made up out of his head... that image is fucking awful...The Punisher looks alright, but I thought the same.

What's he even doing?! Why's he standing around with his arms up!? :lol:

NickT
06-06-2005, 06:52 PM
What's he even doing?! Why's he standing around with his arms up!? :lol:
"Spray my armpits, I have no deodrant!" he shouts.

TonyFleecs
06-06-2005, 06:53 PM
for poses and lighting effects, not for who the character looks like...
True that's the main reason for it. But there's tons of people who draw pretty much right off the photo: Alex Ross most noteably. fuck, even Bendis, Maleev & Mack use photo ref heavily... difference is, most of the time they take their own pictures to use.

Did we all freak out when Lauryn Hill & Dicaprio showed up in Mack's first DD run?

I think Land should probably take it easy on the Photo ref but I also think it's his choice to make... THe way you guys are going on you'd think he was ripping off other people's art.... (he didn't do that did he?)

TheKraken
06-06-2005, 06:55 PM
THe way you guys are going on you'd think he was ripping off other people's art.... (he didn't do that did he?)

Technically, if he's stealing from copyrighted photos of celebrities (and pretty much every photo of a celebrity is copyrighted), then yes, he is. And he is. So he is. :lol:

Thudpucker
06-06-2005, 06:58 PM
The only problem with Lands style is that it leaves the characters stiff and unnatural looking. It's fine for covers or pin-ups, but for panels that are supposed to convey movement it doesn't work well.

he is a talented artist, and there is nothing wrong with using photo referances. The style just doesn't work well for panel art is all.

TonyFleecs
06-06-2005, 06:59 PM
Technically, if he's stealing from copyrighted photos of celebrities (and pretty much every photo of a celebrity is copyrighted), then yes, he is. And he is. So he is. :lol:
Oh here comes Mr. Technically to fuck up the point I'm trying to make. :lol:

Corwin: Bear Fighter
06-06-2005, 07:37 PM
Using photo ref doesn't mean you're supposed to draw the object or person exactly as they're portrayed in the photo, for christ's sake. It pisses me off when anybody does it. Ross, Land, Taki, whoever.
It's lazy. It's uncreative. It can be put to good use in tandem with other techniques, but when the comic is strictly 22 pages of pictures of your friends and/or celebrities in costumes, it's just flat. There's so little energy in it. And honestly, it doesn't tell me at all how good the artist really is as an artist. It just tells me that they're really good at reproducing something that already exists. Which, once again, is not art.

King of Mars
06-06-2005, 07:40 PM
Photo references, Hitch uses em also.Doesn't bother me...although I wish Mike Deodato's Peter Parker didn't look so damned much like Jason Priestley.

TheKraken
06-06-2005, 07:42 PM
Using photo ref doesn't mean you're supposed to draw the object or person exactly as they're portrayed in the photo, for christ's sake. It pisses me off when anybody does it. Ross, Land, Taki, whoever.
It's lazy. It's uncreative. It can be put to good use in tandem with other techniques, but when the comic is strictly 22 pages of pictures of your friends and/or celebrities in costumes, it's just flat. There's so little energy in it. And honestly, it doesn't tell me at all how good the artist really is as an artist. It just tells me that they're really good at reproducing something that already exists. Which, once again, is not art.

Well, it's not art to you. I mean, I think Alex Ross makes some of the most boring comics in history, I'm not saying yer wrong... But then there's Andy Warhol. Or Duchamp. Art is very much subjective. What's not subjective is the legilty of using a copyrighted photo of a person's likeness without the consent of the person or the photographer.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
06-06-2005, 07:51 PM
Well, it's not art to you. I mean, I think Alex Ross makes some of the most boring comics in history, I'm not saying yer wrong... But then there's Andy Warhol. Or Duchamp. Art is very much subjective. What's not subjective is the legilty of using a copyrighted photo of a person's likeness without the consent of the person or the photographer.

If you read that out loud in your best Gary Cole voice, it sounds like a closing argument from a very special episode of Harvey Birdman.