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The Cheap-Arse Film Critic
04-19-2008, 09:45 AM
I thought that was one of the coolest ideas to come out of Mark Waid's "Birthright" maxi-series, that Clark could actually see some sort of aura around living creature's bodies that disappeared when they died, and as a result couldn't bring himself to eat meat, despite growing up on a farm and his Grandfather thinking it was weird.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 09:45 AM
I don't know, but he totally should be.

The Cheap-Arse Film Critic
04-19-2008, 09:48 AM
I don't know, but he totally should be.

I just thought it was a really fun and quirky little thing Waid added. And I also loved that he added the family context. I would make sense that his Grandfather, who probably grew up in the same rural cotext that Clark did, would find it strange that Clark sees animals as more than livestock.

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 09:49 AM
what the hell does his superdog do anymore anyway? is it even in teh stories? who is taking care of that thing

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 09:50 AM
Superman's not a hippie... :mistrust:

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 09:57 AM
Superman's not a hippie... :mistrust:

No, but he sure as hell wouldn't support factory farming and animal cruelty.

Taxman
04-19-2008, 10:05 AM
Is Superman Still A Vegetarian?If you meant vigilante, then yes.

modungo
04-19-2008, 10:06 AM
I don't think they have changed that, so yeah. I hope he stays a veggie.

Patrick J
04-19-2008, 10:08 AM
No, but he sure as hell wouldn't support factory farming and animal cruelty.

But isn't that the American way, that Superman stands for!?!

Taxman
04-19-2008, 10:12 AM
But isn't that the American way, that Superman stands for!?!The superhero archetype originating with Superman is a strange mix of liberal and conservative which both supports the establishment and protects those who cannot protect themselves.

The Dean
04-19-2008, 10:13 AM
No, but he sure as hell wouldn't support factory farming and animal cruelty.

Um. He grew up on a farm...

Taxman
04-19-2008, 10:14 AM
Um. He grew up on a farm...That was a family farm.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:19 AM
Um. He grew up on a farm...

A factory farm and a farm are 2 completely different things.

Ryudo
04-19-2008, 10:20 AM
Not all meat is made on a "factory farm."

bartleby
04-19-2008, 10:21 AM
A factory farm and a farm are 2 completely different things.

The Kents loved their animals and treated them with utmost respect before putting a bolt through their brains.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:24 AM
Stupidest fucking idea of the last decade.

Taxman
04-19-2008, 10:26 AM
Stupidest fucking idea of the last decade.Maybe second after Big Papi becoming vegetarian.

Joe Kalicki
04-19-2008, 10:31 AM
Ask Lois.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:33 AM
Not all meat is made on a "factory farm."

No, but an awful lot of it is.

The number of farms has also decreased, and their ownership is more concentrated. In the U.S., four companies produce 81 percent of cows, 73 percent of sheep, 57 percent of pigs and 50 percent of chickens.[26] In 1967, there were one million pig farms in America; as of 2002, there were 114,000,[27] with 80 million pigs (out of 95 million) killed each year on factory farms as of 2002, according to the U.S. National Pork Producers Council.[25] According to the Worldwatch Institute, 74 percent of the world's poultry, 43 percent of beef, and 68 percent of eggs are produced this way.[17]

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:33 AM
Stupidest fucking idea of the last decade.

Why?

Albert
04-19-2008, 10:34 AM
The Kents loved their animals and treated them with utmost respect before putting a bolt through their brains.

I know for a fact that the Kents only ate meat from animals that died of natural causes.

I actually made that up.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:35 AM
No, but an awful lot of it is.

The number of farms has also decreased, and their ownership is more concentrated. In the U.S., four companies produce 81 percent of cows, 73 percent of sheep, 57 percent of pigs and 50 percent of chickens.[26] In 1967, there were one million pig farms in America; as of 2002, there were 114,000,[27] with 80 million pigs (out of 95 million) killed each year on factory farms as of 2002, according to the U.S. National Pork Producers Council.[25] According to the Worldwatch Institute, 74 percent of the world's poultry, 43 percent of beef, and 68 percent of eggs are produced this way.[17]

What does that have to do with a guy who was raised on your prototypical all-american midwestern farm homestead? Oh yeah, that's right, jack and shit.

modungo
04-19-2008, 10:35 AM
Stupidest fucking idea of the last decade.
Crazy. One More Day occurred in another decade? Having Hawkeye defeated by a buckle happened in another decade? Having Batman's surrogate mother kill a child and then he just lets her get away with it happened in another decade? My time is all messed up.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:36 AM
I know for a fact that the Kents only ate meat from animals that died of natural causes.

I actually made that up.

NO WAI. SRSLY?

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:37 AM
What does that have to do with a guy who was raised on your prototypical all-american midwestern farm homestead? Oh yeah, that's right, jack and shit.

Where somebody grows up has nothing to do with it.

He doesn't live in Smallville anymore. Odds are any meat in Metropolis would come from a factory farm.

And Superman wouldn't be down with that kinda garbage.

Kefky
04-19-2008, 10:37 AM
Crazy. One More Day occurred in another decade? Having Hawkeye defeated by a buckle happened in another decade? Having Batman's surrogate mother kill a child and then he just lets her get away with it happened in another decade? My time is all messed up.

:)

The Hodag
04-19-2008, 10:38 AM
I thought that was one of the coolest ideas to come out of Mark Waid's "Birthright" maxi-series, that Clark could actually see some sort of aura around living creature's bodies that disappeared when they died, and as a result couldn't bring himself to eat meat, despite growing up on a farm and his Grandfather thinking it was weird.

I wasn't into the "aura-vision." If Superman goes vegetarian I'd much prefer it be because of a personal morality he developed by looking at the facts...not because his supervision makes him sad.

modungo
04-19-2008, 10:39 AM
:)

Thanks!

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 10:39 AM
Where somebody grows up has nothing to do with it.

He doesn't live in Smallville anymore. Odds are any meat in Metropolis would come from a factory farm.

And Superman wouldn't be down with that kinda garbage.
maybe he is completely oblivious, as he is a bit busy stopping asteroids and catching airplanes

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:39 AM
I wasn't into the "aura-vision." If Superman goes vegetarian I'd much prefer it be because of a personal morality he developed by looking at the facts...not because his supervision makes him sad.

Good point.

I still think he should be one, even if it's for a dumb reason.

Taxman
04-19-2008, 10:40 AM
He doesn't live in Smallville anymore. Technically, he does. In the future, the contemporary Superman will have grown up an a Smallville family farm is the current day and age. Also, I heard there was a tv show, or something.

Whether the evolution of the agribusiness would make for good story content in a comic book is anyone's guess.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:40 AM
maybe he is completely oblivious, as he is a bit busy stopping asteroids and catching airplanes

Exactly why he'd go vegetarian. He doesn't have the time to make sure he's not supporting any of the bad shit, so he just cuts it out completely.

The Human Target
04-19-2008, 10:40 AM
Crazy. One More Day occurred in another decade? Having Hawkeye defeated by a buckle happened in another decade? Having Batman's surrogate mother kill a child and then he just lets her get away with it happened in another decade? My time is all messed up.

Heh.


Anyway, its a weird idea. So does Supes only see auras around animal life, or all life?

And if he refuses to eat animal flesh because they're somehow special like we are, why doesn't the douche actually tell people about it and strive for animal rights?

Oh, thats right.

Cause he's a big fictional douche.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:40 AM
Where somebody grows up has nothing to do with it.

He doesn't live in Smallville anymore. Odds are any meat in Metropolis would come from a factory farm.

And Superman wouldn't be down with that kinda garbage.

Here, I think you might need one of these:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:41 AM
Here, I think you might need one of these:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg

Psst...your irrational hate-boner is showing.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:42 AM
Psst...your irrational hate-boner is showing.

I still don't see the supposed "logic" in Superman actually developing an opinion on food choice/animal politics.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:43 AM
I still don't see the supposed "logic" in Superman actually developing an opinion on food choice/animal politics.

Not supporting the meat industry goes beyond animal politics.

The Human Target
04-19-2008, 10:44 AM
I still don't see the supposed "logic" in Superman actually developing an opinion on food choice/animal politics.

Superheroes actually having opinions beyond "Evil is bad" makes them more interesting.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:45 AM
Not supporting the meat industry goes beyond animal politics.

Ok, whatever you say, captain.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:46 AM
Ok, whatever you say, captain.

Are you fucking serious?

Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_effects_of_meat_production

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:47 AM
Superheroes actually having opinions beyond "Evil is bad" makes them more interesting.

I'm curious about when he would actually think about it. Perhaps it's during that undisclosed period of time when he's flying around up in the stratosphere keeping an eye on the earth. What would I know?
Personally, I still live in the Silver Age thinking of things and have this image of Superman living off of nothing but specially-made protein pills of his own creation. I don't know if they ever addressed such an idea in the comics, but it always seemed to fit with me for that era.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:48 AM
Are you fucking serious?

Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_effects_of_meat_production

Come on, get mean and condescending. It's what you're best at.

The Hodag
04-19-2008, 10:48 AM
I still don't see the supposed "logic" in Superman actually developing an opinion on food choice/animal politics.

I could see it coming up as a subplot, but if Superman becomes a crusader for any given cause the book kind of becomes About That. Like Animal Man became About That. Which was fine for his book, but I think Superman works best when he's fairly apolitical. He should be an interesting enough guy, but I always figured him for a character whose stories should be more plot-driven than character-driven.

He's an adventure hero, not a mouthpiece.

Ray G.
04-19-2008, 10:49 AM
He doesn't need to eat, so I could see him making that choice. As long as writers don't use him as a mouthpiece.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:50 AM
I could see it coming up as a subplot, but if Superman becomes a crusader for any given cause the book kind of becomes About That. Like Animal Man became About That. Which was fine for his book, but I think Superman works best when he's fairly apolitical. He should be an interesting enough guy, but I always figured him for a character whose stories should be more plot-driven than character-driven.

He's an adventure hero, not a mouthpiece.

A very fair and valid point. But, my friend, he should take a stand against the cruelty towards animals by not eating any meat at all. I mean, that's the only way to make sure the evil factory farms get the message.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:50 AM
Come on, get mean and condescending. It's what you're best at.

It is, but fortunately I don't have to here.

The meat industry has horrible negative impacts on the planet. Vegetarianism is logical outside of animal politics.

It's the truth. If you want to deny reality, fine. But don't expect others to not point out your bullshit.

GrandeMaestro Fünke
04-19-2008, 10:51 AM
He doesn't need to eat, so I could see him making that choice. As long as writers don't use him as a mouthpiece.

You're at the con. You can find the answer.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:51 AM
I could see it coming up as a subplot, but if Superman becomes a crusader for any given cause the book kind of becomes About That. Like Animal Man became About That. Which was fine for his book, but I think Superman works best when he's fairly apolitical. He should be an interesting enough guy, but I always figured him for a character whose stories should be more plot-driven than character-driven.

He's an adventure hero, not a mouthpiece.

Read All-Star Superman. He can be a hell of a lot more than that.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:52 AM
It is, but fortunately I don't have to here.

The meat industry has horrible negative impacts on the planet. Vegetarianism is logical outside of animal politics.

It's the truth. If you want to deny reality, fine. But don't expect others to not point out your bullshit.

Yes. because there is absolutely no way that one can eat meat without contributing to said horrible negative impact on the planet. That makes total sense. Thank you for opening my eyes.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:53 AM
Yes. because there is absolutely no way that one can eat meat without contributing to said horrible negative impact on the planet. That makes total sense. Thank you for opening my eyes.

Never said that.

The Hodag
04-19-2008, 10:54 AM
He doesn't need to eat, so I could see him making that choice. As long as writers don't use him as a mouthpiece.

Hmm, which reminds me: is Grant Morrison still a vegetarian? I just realized he hasn't really done a single page of politicizing in All-Star Supes.

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 10:55 AM
Exactly why he'd go vegetarian. He doesn't have the time to make sure he's not supporting any of the bad shit, so he just cuts it out completely.i dont think you get my point.
im suggesting that superman is not paying attention to the issue, because he doesnt really care about it enough to actively look into the cruelty of animal farms, or of eating animals in general. he is a bit busy trying to stop things like mass murder and catastrophic natural disasters. based on his upbringing, it would lead me to believe that he isnt a moral activist against eating animals, nor someone inclined to look into the matter.

it isnt like he is reading peta pamphlets as a guide to being the moral icon that he is. ;)

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:55 AM
Never said that.

And at the same time I distinctly remember never saying that the meat industry didn't have a negative impact on the earth. Funny how that works.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:56 AM
i dont think you get my point.
im suggesting that superman is not paying attention to the issue, because he doesnt really care about it enough to actively look into the cruelty of animal farms, or of eating animals in general. he is a bit busy trying to stop things like mass murder and catastrophic natural disasters. based on his upbringing, it would lead me to believe that he isnt a moral activist against eating animals, nor someone inclined to look into the matter.

it isnt like he is reading peta pamphlets as a guide to being the moral icon that he is. ;)

Again, the ethics of eating meat in the modern world doesn't need to involve any consideration of animal cruelty.

Joe Kalicki
04-19-2008, 10:56 AM
Superman stopping ruthless factory farms would fit in perfectly in the Golden Age, where he would destroy someone's entire car lot if they sold a lemon.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 10:58 AM
Superman stopping ruthless factory farms would fit in perfectly in the Golden Age, where he would destroy someone's entire car lot if they sold a lemon.

So true. :lol:

I miss the old "throw a guy out of a window" Superman.

The Human Target
04-19-2008, 10:58 AM
Read All-Star Superman. He can be a hell of a lot more than that.

Yeah he.... no wiat thats all he is in ASS too.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 10:58 AM
And at the same time I distinctly remember never saying that the meat industry didn't have a negative impact on the earth. Funny how that works.

If you've got a point, now might be the time to make it.

The Hodag
04-19-2008, 10:59 AM
Read All-Star Superman. He can be a hell of a lot more than that.

Maybe you're presuming I mean "adventure hero" means "dumb" or something? Nothing could be further. Love All-Star Supes. But I do consider it an adventure comic and I really don't recall Morrison politicizing it in any way.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 11:01 AM
Maybe you're presuming I mean "adventure hero" means "dumb" or something? Nothing could be further. Love All-Star Supes. But I do consider it an adventure comic and I really don't recall Morrison politicizing it in any way.

I'm just saying you go can a lot deeper than just adventure without getting political.

The Hodag
04-19-2008, 11:03 AM
I'm just saying you go can a lot deeper than just adventure without getting political.

Sure, I'll generally agree with that.

Blandy vs Terrorism
04-19-2008, 11:06 AM
If you've got a point, now might be the time to make it.

He's saying factory farms might have a negative impact, but either way he's not going around saying meat eaters are illogical or wrong, as you imply.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 11:08 AM
He's saying factory farms might have a negative impact, but either way he's not going around saying meat eaters are illogical or wrong, as you imply.

I'm not trying to imply that.

Artie Pink
04-19-2008, 11:09 AM
Is it "infer"?

Joe Kalicki
04-19-2008, 11:10 AM
I'm not trying to imply that.

You're not trying to, but you are implying it nonetheless.

Taxman
04-19-2008, 11:10 AM
I'm not trying to imply that.If only more could be accomplished with no effort.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:17 AM
If you've got a point, now might be the time to make it.

Man, you're an ornery one, aren't you?

Listen, Pat, I don't think it makes sense for Superman to take an opinion like that one that Mark Waid put forth, based upon something that I base most things on: experience. I don't claim to know everybody from the midwest. And I don't claim to be an all-knowing guru about people. When I form opinions, believe or not, I don't just magically decide something without any prior knowledge (although I'm sure you will think otherwise since I disagree with you and the only reason a person could disagree with you is if they are an idiot, right?). I base things upon what little tiny infinitesimal amount of knowledge i may dig up from my small brain. I have known people that have grown up on farms. I admit freely that these people are not the prime representatives of their given denomination, but I can only form reality-based ideas upon what I know. And what I know is that the select few individuals I have known in my life, who have grown up in reasonably similar circumstances (on a farm in America, albeit without the quirks of being actual aliens with super-strength and x-ray vision), grew up eating meat grown on their farm. Granted, they don't see some magical aura that Mark Waid made up, but we're supposed to believe that Clark Kent grew up on some all-american blue-collar farm, right? It makes perfect sense that he wouldn't want to eat things like McDonald's and other chain restaurants, and that he would possibly be picky when doing the shopping for Lois, but nothing says to me that he would drop what he grew up with so easily and in such a clearly political manner. I could possibly see him going through one of those phases that teens/college kids might go through, but come on.
Furthermore, I don't see why there should be a reason for Superman to have an opinion on this matter at all. Being a vegetarian might be "interesting" or "groundbreaking," but at the same time it narrows him down, pigeon-holes him and politicizes him in a way that isn't necessary. Take this as my parting example of what I mean about politicization: I may hate George W. Bush, but I would never gain any satisfaction from seeing Superman take an anti-Bush stance, get on a soap-box against the war, or punch out Big Oil (although a cover in the vein of the WWII-era Superman comics might be funny on a visceral level). But then, that's just me, I guess.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 11:20 AM
Man, you're an ornery one, aren't you?

Listen, Pat, I don't think it makes sense for Superman to take an opinion like that one that Mark Waid put forth, based upon something that I base most things on: experience. I don't claim to know everybody from the midwest. And I don't claim to be an all-knowing guru about people. When I form opinions, believe or not, I don't just magically decide something without any prior knowledge (although I'm sure you will think otherwise since I disagree with you and the only reason a person could disagree with you is if they are an idiot, right?). I base things upon what little tiny infinitesimal amount of knowledge i may dig up from my small brain. I have known people that have grown up on farms. I admit freely that these people are not the prime representatives of their given denomination, but I can only form reality-based ideas upon what I know. And what I know is that the select few individuals I have known in my life, who have grown up in reasonably similar circumstances (on a farm in America, albeit without the quirks of being actual aliens with super-strength and x-ray vision), grew up eating meat grown on their farm. Granted, they don't see some magical aura that Mark Waid made up, but we're supposed to believe that Clark Kent grew up on some all-american blue-collar farm, right? It makes perfect sense that he wouldn't want to eat things like McDonald's and other chain restaurants, and that he would possibly be picky when doing the shopping for Lois, but nothing says to me that he would drop what he grew up with so easily and in such a clearly political manner. I could possibly see him going through one of those phases that teens/college kids might go through, but come on.
Furthermore, I don't see why there should be a reason for Superman to have an opinion on this matter at all. Being a vegetarian might be "interesting" or "groundbreaking," but at the same time it narrows him down, pigeon-holes him and politicizes him in a way that isn't necessary. Take this as my parting example of what I mean about politicization: I may hate George W. Bush, but I would never gain any satisfaction from seeing Superman take an anti-Bush stance, get on a soap-box against the war, or punch out Big Oil (although a cover in the vein of the WWII-era Superman comics might be funny on a visceral level). But then, that's just me, I guess.

1. It makes perfect sense that a person dedicated to protecting the planet would oppose things that harm the planet. (also, vegetarianism isn't an inherently political practice)

2. Taking an ethical position does not equal "politicized". If it does, Superman is already incredibly politicized, as is basically every other superhero in existance.

Brother Power the Gong
04-19-2008, 11:21 AM
I always thought Supes didn't need to eat, but I could see him as a vegetarian who accepts that meat-eating is still a very important aspect of many peoples' lives, and that saving the world from aliens, super-powered despots and giant robots is more deserving of his attention.

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 11:22 AM
Again, the ethics of eating meat in the modern world doesn't need to involve any consideration of animal cruelty.no. but the fact that most people raised on farms are not concerned with that ethical question is...
im just saying i think your conclusion of superman's character in regards to this issue is reaching a little bit to say the least

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 11:23 AM
how does clark kent get to work? does he take eco friendly public transportation?

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 11:23 AM
no. but the fact that most people raised on farms are not concerned with that ethical question is...
im just saying i think your conclusion of superman's character in regards to this issue is reaching a little bit to say the least

Superman is dedicated to protecting the Earth and it's people.

Factory farming is harmful to both.

I don't see how it's reaching to assume he wouldn't support it.

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 11:24 AM
I ate a delicious beef steak tonight!

AND a chicken steak!

Suck it vegetarians!!

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:24 AM
how does clark kent get to work? does he take eco friendly public transportation?

Furthermore, I can only imagine the damage done by his own gas emissions. I assume he holds in all of his own farts?

Joe Kalicki
04-19-2008, 11:24 AM
how does clark kent get to work? does he take eco friendly public transportation?

He walks, and if he's late he reverses the rotation of the Earth and travels back in time.

Joe Kalicki
04-19-2008, 11:25 AM
Superman is dedicated to protecting the Earth and it's people.

Factory farming is harmful to both.

I don't see how it's reaching to assume he wouldn't support it.

You would probably yell at Green Lantern for not caring about black folk too.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 11:25 AM
how does clark kent get to work? does he take eco friendly public transportation?

I would think so.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:25 AM
He walks, and if he's late he reverses the rotation of the Earth and travels back in time.

That Superman is such a dick!.:mad:

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:26 AM
You would probably yell at Green Lantern for not caring about black folk too.

Man, they're going to be pissed off when they hear about the "black" lanterns.:scared:

Adam Witt
04-19-2008, 11:27 AM
Is it "infer"?

Imply, Lisa? Or implode?

Taxman
04-19-2008, 11:27 AM
1. It makes perfect sense that a person dedicated to protecting the planet would oppose things that harm the planet. (also, vegetarianism isn't an inherently political practice)

2. Taking an ethical position does not equal "politicized". If it does, Superman is already incredibly politicized, as is basically every other superhero in existance.These are mere opinion.

From this perspective, one could argue that Superman is culpable in the "destruction of the planet" since he has for 70 years protected the establishment through an age of industrialization.

Taxman
04-19-2008, 11:29 AM
how does clark kent get to work? does he take eco friendly public transportation?If he lived in the west, he would drive a gas gussler like everyone else.

Fake Pat
04-19-2008, 11:29 AM
These are mere opinion.

From this perspective, one could argue that Superman is culpable in the "destruction of the planet" since he has for 70 years protected the establishment through an age of industrialization.

1. Not really. Superman does protect the Earth. Factory farming is harmful to the Earth. Those are facts.

2. Yeah, you could make that argument.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:29 AM
Next week's topic: Does The Flash Help Pay Costs For Damage He Creates By Running Through Keystone At High Speeds?

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 11:30 AM
This thread should get the most inane and ridiculously overthunk thread award.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:30 AM
If he lived in the west, he would drive a gas gussler like everyone else.

Ooo, I picture a Hummer with S-Shield spinners.

Adam Witt
04-19-2008, 11:31 AM
Next week's topic: Does The Flash Help Pay Costs For Damage He Creates By Running Through Keystone At High Speeds?

Pfft. No. Keystone Cityfolk pay a shitload of taxes, though.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:31 AM
This thread should get the most inane and ridiculously overthunk thread award.

:Oops:

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:32 AM
Pfft. No. Keystone Cityfolk pay a shitload of taxes, though.

The Flash: Sticking It To The Working Class.

We found Lou Dobbs' next enemy.

Taxman
04-19-2008, 11:32 AM
1. Not really. Superman does protect the Earth. Factory farming is harmful to the Earth. Those are facts.No it is 100% bullshit. He has done nothing to curb any "harmful" industrial practices though out his history. This concept is an invention out of whole cloth whether by writer or by reader.

Brother Power the Gong
04-19-2008, 11:32 AM
1. Not really. Superman does protect the Earth. Factory farming is harmful to the Earth. Those are facts.

2. Yeah, you could make that argument.

Supes is pro-life, anti-cruelty and mostly apolitical. It would make sense for him to be a quiet vegetarian, as his parents probably are meat eaters.

Adam Witt
04-19-2008, 11:33 AM
The Flash: Sticking It To The Working Class.

We found Lou Dobbs' next enemy.

Al Franken's gonna write a book bitching about him.

Not a book with other topics, just 300 pages of bitching about the motherfuckin' Flash.

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 11:33 AM
Hell Superman knocks down buildings full of civilians during every crisis. The guy has killed thousands of people and he's still a hero?!

Fuck that shit! Slap the cuffs on his Kryptonian ass!

Joe Kalicki
04-19-2008, 11:33 AM
Should Wonder Woman be more submissive?

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:34 AM
Al Franken's gonna write a book bitching about him.

Not a book with other topics, just 300 pages of bitching about the motherfuckin' Flash.

And what's up with Wonder Woman supporting that wasteful United Nations? Fuck that uppity white bitch!

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 11:34 AM
Black Canary sets a bad example to young girls and is in blatant violation of public exposure laws! Arrest that bleach blonde bitch!

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 11:34 AM
Is the Batmobile Emission free?!

Joe Kalicki
04-19-2008, 11:35 AM
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w126/JoeK32880/wwtied.jpg

Adam Witt
04-19-2008, 11:35 AM
And what's up with Wonder Woman supporting that wasteful United Nations? Fuck that uppity white bitch!

Paging Ann Coulter.

Adam Witt
04-19-2008, 11:36 AM
Is the Batmobile Emission free?!

It emits anything you want it to, baby. Just give it about ten minutes to get ready.

The Hodag
04-19-2008, 11:36 AM
From this perspective, one could argue that Superman is culpable in the "destruction of the planet" since he has for 70 years protected the establishment through an age of industrialization.

Right, here's the big danger of over-analyzing adventure characters. Can be fun for a lark, but most of these guys weren't meant to be true speculative fiction and they don't hold up very well as such. I mean, look how much the world-changing approach of The Authority has stood the test of time...

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:37 AM
Should Wonder Woman be more submissive?

Always.


Why, hello TV's Lynda Carter. Fancy meeting you here. What? Somebody tied you up? Oh, you've been such a naughty girl, haven't you?:heybaby:

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:39 AM
It emits anything you want it to, baby. Just give it about ten minutes to get ready.

Ten minutes? More like ten seconds, ifyouknowwhatimean.

OH SNAP.

Adam Witt
04-19-2008, 11:40 AM
Ten minutes? More like ten seconds, ifyouknowwhatimean.

OH SNAP.

Are you saying the Batmobile is dysfunctional?!

The Cheap-Arse Film Critic
04-19-2008, 11:41 AM
In any ways, this thread personifies this entire board. I'm proud that I created it.

Joe Kalicki
04-19-2008, 11:42 AM
In any ways, this thread personifies this entire board. I'm proud that I created it.

Now PM a mod and have them lock it!

Corwin: Bear Fighter
04-19-2008, 11:43 AM
Now PM a mod and have them lock it!

But not until somebody has posted a reference to []2 Girls 1 cup[/i].

bartleby
04-19-2008, 11:43 AM
This thread should get the most inane and ridiculously overthunk thread award.

And who would have ever guessed that we'd be overthinking a topic proposed by Technofear?

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 11:44 AM
In any ways, this thread personifies this entire board. I'm proud that I created it.

This thread shows how a stupid assumption can be overthought to a massive degree thereby destroying any idea of fancy or imagination inherent to these characters.

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 11:53 AM
Superman is dedicated to protecting the Earth and it's people.

Factory farming is harmful to both.

I don't see how it's reaching to assume he wouldn't support it.
because you have nothing to base his COMING to that conclusion, that factory farming is harmful, so therefore superman must be a vegetarian. you are stating facts, and superman is not omniscient. how would he know? he is not reading pamphlets. he is not on wikipedia. he is not having this conversation with you, so therefore, what makes you assume he is even aware of the issue, or actively learning of said issue, when he is kind of busy worrying about other stuff? sure, it could be written like that, and superman could make that stance, but i havent seen it if he has, and i think it is wrong to assume so. and you know what people say about assumptions. guess we will have to agree to disagree

Blandy vs Terrorism
04-19-2008, 11:57 AM
I ate a delicious beef steak tonight!

AND a chicken steak!

Suck it vegetarians!!

I'm having a double meat chicken and bacon sandwich with extra cheese!

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 11:57 AM
because you have nothing to base his COMING to that conclusion, that factory farming is harmful, so therefore superman must be a vegetarian. you are stating facts, and superman is not omniscient. how would he know? he is not reading pamphlets. he is not on wikipedia. he is not having this conversation with you, so therefore, what makes you assume he is even aware of the issue, or actively learning of said issue, when he is kind of busy worrying about other stuff? sure, it could be written like that, and superman could make that stance, but i havent seen it if he has, and i think it is wrong to assume so. and you know what people say about assumptions. guess we will have to agree to disagree

Dude... and I mean this in a good way... take a step back... go out for a walk or something... you're actually arguing what a fake character may or may not 'think' about the real world environment...

This is seriously one of the dumbest conversations I've ever seen. It's ok to argue a particular writer's stance on vegetarianism but going on with that and saying that Superman 'would' do something based on something happening in OUR world is... beyond ridiculous.

The Cheap-Arse Film Critic
04-19-2008, 11:58 AM
Now PM a mod and have them lock it!

Nah, this one's fun. I only have them locked when they stop being fun. I don't even have a horse in this race, I'm just having fun watching.

Blandy vs Terrorism
04-19-2008, 11:59 AM
This thread should get the most inane and ridiculously overthunk thread award.

Yep.

Brother Power the Gong
04-19-2008, 11:59 AM
Dude... and I mean this in a good way... take a step back... go out for a walk or something... you're actually arguing what a fake character may or may not 'think' about the real world environment...

This is seriously one of the dumbest conversations I've ever seen. It's ok to argue a particular writer's stance on vegetarianism but going on with that and saying that Superman 'would' do something based on something happening in OUR world is... beyond ridiculous.

Or it's the basis of most comic book stories (hell, in nearly all genres), hence the concept of universal appeal.

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 12:02 PM
i eat meat. /exits thread

Jason California
04-19-2008, 12:03 PM
No, but he sure as hell wouldn't support factory farming and animal cruelty.


I take it you don't eat burgers right?

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 12:03 PM
Dude... and I mean this in a good way... take a step back... go out for a walk or something... you're actually arguing what a fake character may or may not 'think' about the real world environment...

This is seriously one of the dumbest conversations I've ever seen. It's ok to argue a particular writer's stance on vegetarianism but going on with that and saying that Superman 'would' do something based on something happening in OUR world is... beyond ridiculous.
there is a thread on this board wondering if star wars lightsabers can defeat wolverine's claws.

Ashwin Pande
04-19-2008, 12:06 PM
there is a thread on this board wondering if star wars lightsabers can defeat wolverine's claws.

Yeah well COTE posted something about how the crystals can cut through anything and therefore adamanti...

GAH!

I dunno... that was fun nerd conjecture. This is... when you're arguing over whether Clark Kent takes eco-friendly public transport is.... frankly insane.

Damian696
04-19-2008, 12:07 PM
1. Not really. Superman does protect the Earth. Factory farming is harmful to the Earth. Those are facts.

2. Yeah, you could make that argument.

I think he protects more mankind than earth. so he protects people's right to have meat to eat more than the planet.

copypastepuke
04-19-2008, 12:10 PM
it was more of a joke to point out how ridiculous the thread was, but lol either way

Taxman
04-19-2008, 03:46 PM
sure, it could be written like that, and superman could make that stance, but i havent seen it if he hasJust trying to imagine it, all I can see is some thinly veiled copy performing in a dystopian epic.

Jason California
04-19-2008, 03:51 PM
Did you know that Clark's code word to Lois that everything is ok is beef bourgine?

John Drake
04-19-2008, 04:30 PM
I thought that was one of the coolest ideas to come out of Mark Waid's "Birthright" maxi-series, that Clark could actually see some sort of aura around living creature's bodies that disappeared when they died, and as a result couldn't bring himself to eat meat, despite growing up on a farm and his Grandfather thinking it was weird.

The "aura" thing sounds really lame though.