THE HOUSE OF M THREAD [Spoilers Must Be Marked]

[Freeway]

I'm Canadian, so I got House of M #1 today...and I read it. Before I go any further, until a mod (or Bendis) says otherwise...all spoilers should probably be clearly marked and/or hidden. I'll try to do both.

Anyways...I liked this issue.

SPOILERS BE HIDDEN HERE

The interplay between Magneto & Xavier worked well, as did the interplay between the Avengers & X-Men at the meeting. Each character had a distinct voice in the debate (especially Cap, Wolverine & Spidey) and the importance of the meeting was well displayed. Pietro came across very well in this issue, and the cliffhanger has me VERY, VERY intrigued.

[Scottie]

YOU'LL PAY FOR THIS MEMORIAL DAY!!!!! :mad:

[adamgreenberger]

I'm Canadian, so I got House of M #1 today...and I read it. Before I go any further, until a mod (or Bendis) says otherwise...all spoilers should probably be clearly marked and/or hidden. I'll try to do both.

Anyways...I liked this issue.

SPOILERS BE HIDDEN HERE

The interplay between Magneto & Xavier worked well, as did the interplay between the Avengers & X-Men at the meeting. Each character had a distinct voice in the debate (especially Cap, Wolverine & Spidey) and the importance of the meeting was well displayed. Pietro came across very well in this issue, and the cliffhanger has me VERY, VERY intrigued.



Bloody Canadians...always getting their comics on time when there is a holiday here....DAMN YOU CANADA!!!!!

[The Human Target]

I'm not going to pick this up, but I am interested. Can you dish out what the end cliffhanger was? Maybe give us a write up of the main plot points?

[Ray G.]

Curse Yoooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David]

Oh Canada....because of you we get our comics on time.

Its just lucky/bad luck that the same week house of m is released is memorial day so the states gets theirs pushed back a day. same thing happens up here when we have a holiday during the beginning of the week.

[Freeway]

I don't want to be lynched for spoiling it, so I'll wait until Friday (at the earliest) to do anything of the sort. If Bendis wants people to know, I imagine he wants them to read the whole story to get the stuff in context.

[The Human Target]

I don't want to be lynched for spoiling it, so I'll wait until Friday (at the earliest) to do anything of the sort. If Bendis wants people to know, I imagine he wants them to read the whole story to get the stuff in context.

Coughpussycough :D

[Boris the Blade]

For you, Ben.

The Avengers and the X-Men discuss whether or not they should put down Wanda, considering that neither Strange nor Professor X seem to have the ability to fix her in any way. The Avengers and X-Men, in New York, decide that they have to see Wanda, and talk to her themselves, before they can decide what they want to do, so they head out to Genosha. When they get there, one by one, the members of both groups begin to dissappear. Spider-Man is alone, and wanders into an alley, where a shockwave of energy hits him and...

...he's awakened in bed, by his crying child. His wife, Gwen, says it's his turn to go take care of it, so he gets up and leaves. Things have changed.

[BriRedfern]

Oh Canada....because of you we get our comics on time.

Its just lucky/bad luck that the same week house of m is released is memorial day so the states gets theirs pushed back a day. same thing happens up here when we have a holiday during the beginning of the week.

Yeah, but the comics in the states are delayed for YOUR gholidays too, because they are all printed in Canada anyways. Canadian Bastards....

[Boris the Blade]

We had a holiday last weekend and nothing got delayed.

[BriRedfern]

We had a holiday last weekend and nothing got delayed.

It used to be that way, but I guess it isn't anymore. Did Marvel and/or DC move thier publishing back into the US?

[Boris the Blade]

Just looked inside House of M and Zatanna: both said Printed in Canada.

[Evil toaster]

I'm Canadian, so I got House of M #1 today...and I read it. Before I go any further, until a mod (or Bendis) says otherwise...all spoilers should probably be clearly marked and/or hidden. I'll try to do both.

Anyways...I liked this issue.

SPOILERS BE HIDDEN HERE

The interplay between Magneto & Xavier worked well, as did the interplay between the Avengers & X-Men at the meeting. Each character had a distinct voice in the debate (especially Cap, Wolverine & Spidey) and the importance of the meeting was well displayed. Pietro came across very well in this issue, and the cliffhanger has me VERY, VERY intrigued.


we CANADIANS ROCK :)

[V-Man]

Just got it now!!! I have to quickly put stars on all my math questions and go read!!!

[The Human Target]

For you, Ben.

The Avengers and the X-Men discuss whether or not they should put down Wanda, considering that neither Strange nor Professor X seem to have the ability to fix her in any way. The Avengers and X-Men, in New York, decide that they have to see Wanda, and talk to her themselves, before they can decide what they want to do, so they head out to Genosha. When they get there, one by one, the members of both groups begin to dissappear. Spider-Man is alone, and wanders into an alley, where a shockwave of energy hits him and...

...he's awakened in bed, by his crying child. His wife, Gwen, says it's his turn to go take care of it, so he gets up and leaves. Things have changed.

Bastards. That sounds kinda cool.

[V-Man]

Bastards. That sounds kinda cool.


It is. Buy it and stick with it to the end. I promise that it will be good. If not I will be you're personal slave.

[Shwicaz]

I don't think I liked it.

While I agree the 'character moments' were handled well, some of it just didn't seem right.

I mean, how many times have the X-men dealt with Jean Grey going bonkers, and now, the first thing Wolverine wants to doto Wanda is to 'put her down'.

I understand that this is the first issue, and you need to set up the story, but those of us who read Chaos already know the situation about what happened to Wanda and what she did

So spending the first half of the issue sitting around and discussing it and what to do about it seemed sort of weird. Six months have passed since 'Chaos', and nobody even seemed to bother with WHAT happened to Wanda after Magneto took her, and NOW, all of a sudden the current and former Avengers are suddenly concerned for her welfare? It didn't ring true to me at all, sorry.

[V-Man]

I don't think I liked it.

While I agree the 'character moments' were handled well, some of it just didn't seem right.

I mean, how many times have the X-men dealt with Jean Grey going bonkers, and now, the first thing Wolverine wants to doto Wanda is to 'put her down'.

I understand that this is the first issue, and you need to set up the story, but those of us who read Chaos already know the situation about what happened to Wanda and what she did

So spending the first half of the issue sitting around and discussing it and what to do about it seemed sort of weird. Six months have passed since 'Chaos', and nobody even seemed to bother with WHAT happened to Wanda after Magneto took her, and NOW, all of a sudden the current and former Avengers are suddenly concerned for her welfare? It didn't ring true to me at all, sorry.


Umm Wolverine was/is deeply in love with Jean Grey. Besides in Endsong he decided he was gonna kill her from the start because he knew she would harm people. Just like Wanda.

Buy them till issue 3 at least and then decide. Gotta let it build up.

[Shwicaz]

Umm Wolverine was/is deeply in love with Jean Grey. Besides in Endsong he decided he was gonna kill her from the start because he knew she would harm people. Just like Wanda.

Buy them till issue 3 at least and then decide. Gotta let it build up.

I think it was more because the phoenix force reanimated Jean's corpse and took posession of her. It wasn't "jean grey", herself doing the damage in Endsong, but the phoenix force, which was brought her corpse back from the grave.

I think there is a little bit of a difference.

Why should I buy up to issue 3 to decide I didn't like the first issue? I didn't say I was dropping the series, I was merely stating that 'the opening salvo' didn't do much for me, that is all.

Especially when Wolverine tells Peter that he hopes someone puts him down if his powers go haywire---um didn't he just go on a killing spree in his own title because he was under the influence of THE HAND? He killed NOrthstar, tried to take out DD and a bunch of other people. Nick Fury and Elektra and everyone else was involved, and yet no one seems to mention it. again, lack of inter-title continuity can really be a sticking point, especially in events like this, when you have one character doing one thing in his own book, and then saying something else entirely in another. That isn't Bendis' fault, but I think it is a valid criticism.

Please respect my opinion to NOT like it, just as I respect your opinion that you do like it.

Thank you.

[BENDIS!]

Umm Wolverine was/is deeply in love with Jean Grey. Besides in Endsong he decided he was gonna kill her from the start because he knew she would harm people. Just like Wanda.
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correct.

thanks for typing it for me.

[Hil]

Well done. I went in expecting to hate it, but I didn't. Hot art, good stuff so far. What's really great is that with seven issues to go (and a bunch of spinoffs) there's still a lot more to come... so really when you think about it, Bendis still has seven issues to piss me off. :)

Best Moment
Hawkeye didn't die in this issue!

[Adam Chapman]

Especially when Wolverine tells Peter that he hopes someone puts him down if his powers go haywire---um didn't he just go on a killing spree in his own title because he was under the influence of THE HAND? He killed NOrthstar, tried to take out DD and a bunch of other people. Nick Fury and Elektra and everyone else was involved, and yet no one seems to mention it. again, lack of inter-title continuity can really be a sticking point, especially in events like this, when you have one character doing one thing in his own book, and then saying something else entirely in another. That isn't Bendis' fault, but I think it is a valid criticism.

Actually... I think it made sense for him to say that. This comes after those events, and it came off more like he would have preferred being stopped instead of what happened, where he lived in spite of all the people he murdered... I think it rang true, depending on how you perceive him saying it.

[CraigM]

I think it was more because the phoenix force reanimated Jean's corpse and took posession of her. It wasn't "jean grey", herself doing the damage in Endsong, but the phoenix force, which was brought her corpse back from the grave.

I think there is a little bit of a difference.

Why should I buy up to issue 3 to decide I didn't like the first issue? I didn't say I was dropping the series, I was merely stating that 'the opening salvo' didn't do much for me, that is all.

Especially when Wolverine tells Peter that he hopes someone puts him down if his powers go haywire---um didn't he just go on a killing spree in his own title because he was under the influence of THE HAND? He killed NOrthstar, tried to take out DD and a bunch of other people. Nick Fury and Elektra and everyone else was involved, and yet no one seems to mention it. again, lack of inter-title continuity can really be a sticking point, especially in events like this, when you have one character doing one thing in his own book, and then saying something else entirely in another. That isn't Bendis' fault, but I think it is a valid criticism.

Please respect my opinion to NOT like it, just as I respect your opinion that you do like it.

Thank you.

I kind of want to respond to this, but I know I should read HoM #1 first. But, it could be the fact that reality has already been screwed up and the events in Wolverine haven't happened because of that.

If that's not the case and it's clear that reality hasn't been screwed with yet, you can beat me with a stick and tell me to shut up.

Craig

[Shwicaz]

I kind of want to respond to this, but I know I should read HoM #1 first. But, it could be the fact that reality has already been screwed up and the events in Wolverine haven't happened because of that.

If that's not the case and it's clear that reality hasn't been screwed with yet, you can beat me with a stick and tell me to shut up.

Craig


the comments were made in a room with the a bunch of Avengers present and a bunch of X-Men present. They were not on Genosha, and there was no reality warping going on as far as I can see. Cap made it a point to basically say 'we don't do that' (kill people), and yet Wolverine, a known killer is one of their members. These inconsistencies bug me over time, and I think I may drop reading mainstream books altoghether.


Shit, I'm turning into Goddard.

[CraigM]

the comments were made in a room with the a bunch of Avengers present and a bunch of X-Men present. They were not on Genosha, and there was no reality warping going on as far as I can see. Cap made it a point to basically say 'we don't do that' (kill people), and yet Wolverine, a known killer is one of their members. These inconsistencies bug me over time, and I think I may drop reading mainstream books altoghether.


Shit, I'm turning into Goddard.

:lol:

I don't want to make any comments really without reading HoM #1, but just going off of your comments...

Maybe this is all with reality fucked up. Maybe with Wanda changing things, Wolverine isn't a killer. Maybe they're aware of Wanda doing something. I think it's too early to make any judgments, but Wolverine not being a killer in this reality seems extremely likely to me. Bendis doesn't seem like the kind of make inconsitencies on a character like Wolverine who in NA is known to be a killer, etc. It seems like Wanda is fucking people up from the get go in #1

Craig

[Shwicaz]

I will be completely happy to revise my opinion of the story as a whole when it is completed.

But, judging it peice by piece, I found myself not very excited about/happy with this issue as a 'stand alone' issue.

[Shwicaz]

oh, and yes, I still enjoy Bendis' work, and wish him well with this, it is a big event, and something I know he put his heart and soul into (as he does with all his works).

I don't mean to come here to his forums where I have been a guest for a couple years now and have it appear as if I am shitting on his work.

I think I gave valid reasons why the issue felt flat for me, and I hope that future issues suck me in a bit more.

I hope I haven't offended you in any way, Mr. Bendis. If I have, it was unintentinal, and I apologise.

[Hil]

:lol:

I don't want to make any comments really without reading HoM #1, but just going off of your comments...

Maybe this is all with reality fucked up. Maybe with Wanda changing things, Wolverine isn't a killer. Maybe they're aware of Wanda doing something. I think it's too early to make any judgments, but Wolverine not being a killer in this reality seems extremely likely to me. Bendis doesn't seem like the kind of make inconsitencies on a character like Wolverine who in NA is known to be a killer, etc. It seems like Wanda is fucking people up from the get go in #1

Craig

Nah, it's pretty clear in HOM when reality begins to get fucked with. I think people are just nitpicking. I thought it was fine. There's a difference between killing someone in battle and deciding to execute someone. Avengers don't kill -- it doesn't mean Wolverine hasn't killed before. Also, Cap is patriotic and altruistic, you actually think every bold statement out of his mouth is done with rational thought? As for Wolverine's killing spree, he was brainwashed and I kind of gathered from the Wolvie series (and from the character over the past few decades) that he would have been glad to have someone kill him if it meant he'd be stopped. He wouldn't want to be a tool of The Hand if he could help it.

[Shwicaz]

As for Wolverine's killing spree, he was brainwashed and I kind of gathered from the Wolvie series (and from the character over the past few decades) that he would have been glad to have someone kill him if it meant he'd be stopped. He wouldn't want to be a tool of The Hand if he could help it.

yes, he was brainwashed, and therefore not in control of his actions, right? So Scarlet Witch's powers went out of control and she had a nervous breakdown, so she wasn't in control of her powers, either, right? That's the whole point of the mini, that Wanda has no control over her powers, each time she uses them, she retreats further and further from reality.


Why is it that when people don't like something they are accused of 'nitpicking'?

[Hil]

yes, he was brainwashed, and therefore not in control of his actions, right? So Scarlet Witch's powers went out of control and she had a nervous breakdown, so she wasn't in control of her powers, either, right? That's the whole point of the mini, that Wanda has no control over her powers, each time she uses them, she retreats further and further from reality.


Why is it that when people don't like something they are accused of 'nitpicking'?

Stop nitpicking my nitpicking of someone's nitpicking.

Big difference - Wolverine is back in control and Wanda is not. If wolverine never regained control, I could see how you might say, "Hey, shouldn't we be killing this fucker too?" But he's in control again. And if Wanda were able to regain control then there would be no miniseries.

[Cyrus Cheever]

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! so Wanda's the mystery Avenger?


man, Bendis work sucks. if Daredevil isn't in HoM i'm not reading it.

[Shwicaz]

Stop nitpicking my nitpicking of someone's nitpicking.

Big difference - Wolverine is back in control and Wanda is not. If wolverine never regained control, I could see how you might say, "Hey, shouldn't we be killing this fucker too?" But he's in control again. And if Wanda were able to regain control then there would be no miniseries.


OK, you liked it for your reasons, I disliked it for my reasons.

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this and that's okay.

Lets both realise that neither one of us is going to change the others mind.

Now I am going to bed, spending half the night defending my reasons for disliking something is fucking ridiculous.

I stated my reasons why I didn't like it. I am not going to spend the rest of the week defending my position. Its just fucking silly.

good night. :)

[BENDIS!]

http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17993 (http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17993)

[Brandon191]

http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17993 (http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17993)

Show off.

[Freeway]

Wolverine didn't kill anybody important while possessed, and he came back under control and cleared things up fairly quickly. Wanda killed Hawkeye, dammit. She's gotta pay.

And that Gwen Stacy cliffhanger blew my mind. Kudos, Bendis.

[Shwicaz]

Wolverine didn't kill anybody important while possessed, and he came back under control and cleared things up fairly quickly. Wanda killed Hawkeye, dammit. She's gotta pay.

And that Gwen Stacy cliffhanger blew my mind. Kudos, Bendis.



so if Wolverine killed 10,000 children while possessed that would be okay, because they weren't important heroes?

:rolleyes:

Yes, Wolverine, 'got back under control'-- shouldn't Wanda have that same chance?

[Freeway]

so if Wolverine killed 10,000 children while possessed that would be okay, because they weren't important heroes?

:rolleyes:

In Marvel Logic (TM), yes. If a character gets killed who, at any point, had their own solo title, there's gonna be HELL TO PAY.

[Mike Haseloff]

For you, Ben.

The Avengers and the X-Men discuss whether or not they should put down Wanda, considering that neither Strange nor Professor X seem to have the ability to fix her in any way. The Avengers and X-Men, in New York, decide that they have to see Wanda, and talk to her themselves, before they can decide what they want to do, so they head out to Genosha. When they get there, one by one, the members of both groups begin to dissappear. Spider-Man is alone, and wanders into an alley, where a shockwave of energy hits him and...

...he's awakened in bed, by his crying child. His wife, Gwen, says it's his turn to go take care of it, so he gets up and leaves. Things have changed. I don't want to be bitter fanboy about this, and come down on Bendis, but damned if I don't think I've read House of M a few times in bits and pieces before, and more than once.

I'm not just going off of what you've written, but I am making wild assumptions based on what I know. Still, the Gwen Stacy cliffhanger?
Cheap, Bendis. Cheap. Forshame. :no:

This just isn't the kind of crossover I'm going to read or be excited about, when across the street someone else is kicking my ass with something a little more strategic.

Of course, give it five months.
If the Infinite Crisis are anything like this, I'm going to be a nomad.

EDIT: Apparently having spoilers marked in the thread title DOESN'T count as a spoiler warning... :roll:

[Boris the Blade]

Stuff Mike said.
You just technically made a spoiler. Cover it before you get banned!

[Allan]

so if Wolverine killed 10,000 children while possessed that would be okay, because they weren't important heroes?

:rolleyes:

Yes, Wolverine, 'got back under control'-- shouldn't Wanda have that same chance?


If Darth Vader can kill a bunch of children and still wave happily at the end of Return of the Jedi I don't see why Wolverine can't do the same?

Also RE: the whole killing/not killing whatever mumbo jumbo. Captain America has recently killed people in combat in his own title. For example in New Captain America #1 he fought a bunch of terrorists on a train and two of them died when he knocked them off.


Edit: I just made my entire post a spoiler to be on the safe side.

[TIP]

Y'know...

It's a real drag that I won't be able to read/comment on this until after 8 this evening.

:wink:

T

[Cth]

Now if I could just find that picture of Cap saying Wolverine will never be an Avenger..

[TIP]

Now if I could just find that picture of Cap saying Wolverine will never be an Avenger..


Ooo!

Didn't someone post that not so very long ago?

T
:smile:

[Cth]

Ooo!

Didn't someone post that not so very long ago?

T
:smile:

Yup. I did, and I can't find it right now ;)

Interesting how my theory how things would happen has been pretty accurate (so far..)

Looking forward to reading the rest!

[ThisSpaceForRent]

I liked the issue. Enough backstory for people just jumping on, and a first look for everyone but the 19 Excalibur readers of Magneto and Xavier in Genosha.

One question though - if the Avengers are trying to conceal their new headquarters, would they really park a quinjet on the roof? I imagine that would be spotted pretty quickly.

[Blake Sims]

I enojoyed this issue very much
I think it suffered from the 1st issue slump
I have faith that it will get better and better

[ThisSpaceForRent]

And issue 2 is only 2 weeks away, right?

[Boris the Blade]

Issue 2 is on June 22nd. So, three weeks. Better than a month.

[Ray G.]

Very good so far. The best characterization of Magneto I've seen in some time, and the last-page cliffhanger was a real punch in the gut.

[TonyFleecs]

I'm not reading anymore previews or solicitations.

I've been looking forward to this book for months, I get it & I've already read what seems like the first 10-11 pages. and thanks to the solicitations for the HOM: Spiderman, I already knew the last page shocker was coming....

Great read. Magneto/Pietro was awesome, I just wish I didn't already know so much. I gotta work on self control.

[Rod Nunley]

I just read the issue an hour ago and then just read this thread. I have to say that I must have read it to fast (I was at lunch) cause I did not notice who BOTH people were.

I did not catch that.

That certinly makes it a better ending...

[FredC]

I just would like to say WOW. Great story, I liked it alot. Of course, I thought that the whole Chaos arc was good too, so what do I know?

[V-Man]

I think it was more because the phoenix force reanimated Jean's corpse and took posession of her. It wasn't "jean grey", herself doing the damage in Endsong, but the phoenix force, which was brought her corpse back from the grave.

I think there is a little bit of a difference.

Why should I buy up to issue 3 to decide I didn't like the first issue? I didn't say I was dropping the series, I was merely stating that 'the opening salvo' didn't do much for me, that is all.

Especially when Wolverine tells Peter that he hopes someone puts him down if his powers go haywire---um didn't he just go on a killing spree in his own title because he was under the influence of THE HAND? He killed NOrthstar, tried to take out DD and a bunch of other people. Nick Fury and Elektra and everyone else was involved, and yet no one seems to mention it. again, lack of inter-title continuity can really be a sticking point, especially in events like this, when you have one character doing one thing in his own book, and then saying something else entirely in another. That isn't Bendis' fault, but I think it is a valid criticism.

Please respect my opinion to NOT like it, just as I respect your opinion that you do like it.

Thank you.

The point is that is is not out of character for Wolverine to think that they should put Wanda out of her misery. Did you expect him to agree with Cap? C'mon man.

I think you should wait till issue three because that issue and beyond is more of a mystery. Because of all the spoilers and hints we already kinda knew what was gonna happen in issue one.

As far as Wolverine saying that he hopes he would be put down: People dont always mean what they say. It was a very viable response to Peter. Even though someone deep down mught not mean it, they will still say it. Bendis, as I'm sure you know well, does this very well. I dont think it was a mistake.

Also if Wolverine thought there was any hope in saving her he would. He trusts Pro. X.

Oh, and I very much respect you're opinion. Dont ever think otherwise, I'm not like that.

[V-Man]

correct.

thanks for typing it for me.


No problem.

[Freeway]

The Avengers have a long-standing rule about not killing, at least when it can be avoided. They even almost expelled Moon Knight during the West Coast days because he willingly killed an enemy when he didn't have to. Captain America is a soldier. Recent goings-on in his own title have alluded to the fact that Cap & Bucky both killed some folks during the war, but as part of the war. It couldn't be avoided. They didn't like doing it, and that undoubtedly contributed to Cap's current "try not to kill, fools" mindset. Wolverine was bred and designed as a killing machine, and looks and acts like an animal thanks to his mutation.

Spider-Man also tries to never kill, especially after what happened to Uncle Ben & Gwen Stacy. Killing is irresponsible, and Spidey's all about responsibility.

This, to me, seems very similar to the long-standing Avengers debates regarding what to do with The Hulk. I mean, every few months or so Hulky wigs out and kills a bunch of people...leading to a long-ass manhunt, the capture and trial of the Hulk, and then it's decided to keep him drugged up to the gills until the point where he breaks out and everything starts again. The only difference is that if you keep Bruce Banner drugged up he can still manage to live a full life, and if he snaps and Hulks out...the only immediate danger is to folks in the immediate area...and you can always sick the Avengers or Defenders or somebody on him until he calms down. With Wanda, she wigs out and everyone suffers.

[Angel of Distraction]

Here's what I don't get about the entire concept behind House of M:

All these years, and all these longtime serious baddies they never thought about just putting an end to, and here one of their teammates goes nuts once and they are talking about offing her? That makes very little sense to me.

[sonnylarue]

It was a decent first chapter, but I would've liked to have seen SOMETHING happen , beyond what we got.

[Ryan_ZOOM_Turner]

I read the first issue. I wasn't impressed or letdown.

[Freeway]

Here's what I don't get about the entire concept behind House of M:

All these years, and all these longtime serious baddies they never thought about just putting an end to, and here one of their teammates goes nuts once and they are talking about offing her? That makes very little sense to me.

SPOILERS AHOY!


Consider that after Onslaught & the apparant "X-Men killed all the other heroes except for the gritty urban ones we don't trust", the Marvel U. perception of mutants was (and still is) at an all-time low.

Now imagine that a reformed criminal mutant, whose recruitment into the Avengers caused great public outcry, has seemingly gone nutso just like the rest of the mutants. The X-Men get buried moreso, and the Avengers look like fools for trusting her and bringing her in. Everyone suffers.

You can't blame villains for being villainous. It's their nature.

[The Human Target]

SPOILERS AHOY!



You can't blame villains for being villainous. It's their nature.


Thats the last bit that just doesn't make a bit of sense.

[The Human Target]

Captain America is a soldier. Recent goings-on in his own title have alluded to the fact that Cap & Bucky both killed some folks during the war, but as part of the war. It couldn't be avoided. They didn't like doing it, and that undoubtedly contributed to Cap's current "try not to kill, fools" mindset.

Cap and Bucky both killed tons of people back in the day, then the Silver Age (or the Pussy Age as I call it) came in and wiped all that out. Bru is returning things to realism, but is also having Cap get a little more soldiery.

[Jew Mafia]

Dialogue was really good, but I don't feel like very much happened.

[modungo]

Absolutely NOTHING happened that i didn't know from articles and solicitations. Like watching a comedy that all the good jokes were in the preview. Hope it doesn't take till issue #4 for something to happen 'cause if it does, I won't see it.

[Boris the Blade]

Here's what I don't get about the entire concept behind House of M:

All these years, and all these longtime serious baddies they never thought about just putting an end to, and here one of their teammates goes nuts once and they are talking about offing her? That makes very little sense to me.
I guess it's supposed to be that a lot of their foes haven't shown to capacity to hurt them as bad as Wanda did.

[Jonny Z]

meh, i cant say i was impressed with issue 1. 3 bucks for 22 pages that whizzed by superfast- i think maybe this would have been better served as 4 double sized issues, or at least a double sized first issue. i feel like this issue was just going through the motions-

besides the fact that solicits have spoiled pretty much everything that happened in this issue, i was dissapointed in the flat storytelling- heroes gather, go to confront wanda, and then things get confusing from panel to panel and page to page, especially at the end. the art was great, but the storytelling got kinda muddy. i cant say i hated the issue- just that a lot better happen in the other 7 issues i'm spending 21 dollars on

[Jonny Z]

so regarding House of M and Astonishing X-men, and i guess new avengers too-

its very lame that house of m has both teams pretty much back to normal after the last issue of both has crazy shit goin on- first off, peter and kitty appeared to be mortally wounded in the last Astonishing- but theyre fine and dandy here. so that spoils that cliffhanger. second, is there anything about spiderwoman being a traitor possibly? oh well... thats the problem with massive crossovers and comics that cant come out on time.

[Olivier E.]

They were already fine in the latest Gambit issue, which played also after the AXM story

[You Killed Hawkeye]

Did you expect Whedon to either kill or severely injure Peter or Kitty? I thought it was foregone considering both have minis/ongoings out soon.

[Jonny Z]

They were already fine in the latest Gambit issue, which played also after the AXM story

yeah but who reads gambit? :p

[Olivier E.]

yeah but who reads gambit? :p

:mad: The darn cool guys :D

[Jonny Z]

Did you expect Whedon to either kill or severely injure Peter or Kitty? I thought it was foregone considering both have minis/ongoings out soon.


i didnt know that, and whats the point of having cliffhangers like that if youre gonna spoil it in another comic? it's like bringing peter back in astonishing but having him appear in an issue of excalibur a month before he makes his return in astonishing because the issue ships late.

and i wont even get into how prof x is helping the x-men in astonishing- am i to assume that he does this without the team's knowledge, since it seems that kitty and he have not seen eachother in some time according to the dialogue?

[DaGetHighKnight]

I read The Walking Dead before I read House of M so I guess thats why I wasn't creaming my shorts over it but I will say that Im interested. My Only gripe is Im so confused by what Professor X is up to these days..I confuse the Utimate professor X with the 616 one and the Professor X in AXM...Reading to much is fucking with my head,Im going to have to pick either Ultimate or 616..I cant keep up..

[jason hissong]

Or we can just enjoy a good story for it being a good story and not gett too terribly tied up in the continuity monster.

-j

[Jonny Z]

Or we can just enjoy a good story for it being a good story and not gett too terribly tied up in the continuity monster.

-j

my point is that its a crossover event and readers of both titles are reading this. its not a story on its own- its a story dependant on other stories (avengers dissasembeled, for starters).

i wont even go on again about how Magneto should be dead :p

[Jonny Z]

also, i have no idea whats gonna happen with future issues, but i hope they address the cliffhanger in the pages of house of m, rather than pulling a "for more on spider-man's crazy adventures in baby sitting, check spider-man: house of m #!1!!!!!"

[jordan michael]

how can peter still want to marry gwen when she bazonked the green goblin!?

[Andrew j]

Spoilers


From the last panel it sounds like Bendis calling this "not an alternate universe" is like clinton saying that he did "not have sexual relations." Might be true in some technical way but complete garbage in common sense.

Noticed the changing of dialogue from the Wizard preview and some of the conversation was interesting but the ending kind of turned me off. Too obvious for me but I have a little hope it gets better.

Quicksilvers scene was nice.

[Ashton]

Writers are going to have to come up with more clever stories and cliffhangers that don't involve horrendous events (death/injuries) because its just not carrying any weight anymore. I remember when Flash and SuperGirl died in Crisis it was a pretty big deal and felt real in the comic book world, but today its like you just know a character will return.

[The Human Target]

I agree with Jonny Z. But I'm not reading any of those titles anymore. So he bitches in my place.

[Scottie]

Did anyone read Uncanny this week? Technically spoilers but nothing big:

They freakin' make jokes about dying and coming back. Rachel sees Peter all alive and stuff and instead of going "omg!!! you're alive!" she gets angry that Kitty is hanging out with him. :rolleyes:

And then Betsy is talking to Emma about her boning Scott (right in front of Scott), and makes a joke about Jean coming back from the dead any time now and she'll be mad at Emma when she does... Jean, her friend, was killed, and not only does she joke about it but she jokes about it right in front of Jean's HUSBAND. UGH.

[DaGetHighKnight]

Spoilers



Quicksilvers scene was nice.

Word. One of my favorite scenes..

[Jew Mafia]

I have always been more of a Marvel person but I keep up with DC and here's what makes a big difference for me right now. All of DC's books seem to be on the same page and each books story seems to be taking place around the same time or within a few days of each other and you really feel the effect. Marvel right now, with all of its late running books and limited series is destroying the illusion of continuity/consistency (and dammit continuity makes for a better story to me). Right now while HOM is going on, you still have Wolverine Agent of Shield running, New Avengers is still in it's 1st arc dealing with the effects of Breakout so Sentry is not a part of the team in the main book though he is a background character here, Astonishing X-men is still finishing up the Danger Room plot, Secret War is still hanging out there too. So the effect is all of the flagship books arent running current with the mega-event so it just doesnt flow, where as DC's books are running concurrent with their event books. It makes a difference.

[DigiEmissary]

From the last panel it sounds like Bendis calling this "not an alternate universe" is like clinton saying that he did "not have sexual relations." Might be true in some technical way but complete garbage in common sense.

Noticed the changing of dialogue from the Wizard preview and some of the conversation was interesting but the ending kind of turned me off. Too obvious for me but I have a little hope it gets better.

Quicksilvers scene was nice.

You probably want to put that in actual spoiler tags, as i've done above.

I think it's not an alternate universe because it's wanda's crazy non-chaos magic changing the existing reality.

Also, if clinton had just changed one word and said "i did not have sexual intercourse," he would have been fine.

[jason hissong]

my point is that its a crossover event and readers of both titles are reading this. its not a story on its own- its a story dependant on other stories (avengers dissasembeled, for starters).

i wont even go on again about how Magneto should be dead :p


I don't think I agree. I'm not trying to stir shite up here, I'm just trying to have a conversation.

Is this a story that's developed from another story? Absolutely, Bendis even says as much. But that doesn't mean it depends on that other story for its own sustenance. The seeds for House of M certainly come from Dissassembled, but everything you need to know to get started with House of M is recapped in the frist couple of pages.

-j

[The Human Target]

Did anyone read Uncanny this week? Technically spoilers but nothing big:

They freakin' make jokes about dying and coming back. Rachel sees Peter all alive and stuff and instead of going "omg!!! you're alive!" she gets angry that Kitty is hanging out with him. :rolleyes:

And then Betsy is talking to Emma about her boning Scott (right in front of Scott), and makes a joke about Jean coming back from the dead any time now and she'll be mad at Emma when she does... Jean, her friend, was killed, and not only does she joke about it but she jokes about it right in front of Jean's HUSBAND. UGH.

Did you buy it or read it?

[Jonny Z]

I don't think I agree. I'm not trying to stir shite up here, I'm just trying to have a conversation.

Is this a story that's developed from another story? Absolutely, Bendis even says as much. But that doesn't mean it depends on that other story for its own sustenance. The seeds for House of M certainly come from Dissassembled, but everything you need to know to get started with House of M is recapped in the frist couple of pages.

-j

my point is not that House of M suffers because of what i mentioned- my point is that the other titles suffer as a result of House of M. i think you misinterpreted my original post. but i agree that House of M is fine on its own.

[Scottie]

Did you buy it or read it?
I bought it. But I usually don't hate Claremont quite to the same extent as everyone else here.

[The Human Target]

I bought it. But I usually don't hate Claremont quite to the same extent as everyone else here.

I couldn't tell by your review. :D

[Andrew j]

You probably want to put that in actual spoiler tags, as i've done above.

I think it's not an alternate universe because it's wanda's crazy non-chaos magic changing the existing reality.

Also, if clinton had just changed one word and said "i did not have sexual intercourse," he would have been fine.


Just hid it.


I know that Techinically it's not an alternate reality but neither was Age of Apocalypse but AOA is still considered to be an alternate reality just as I will probrably consider this one. Just kind of confuses me as to why Bendis would specifically say it isn't the day it comes out even though it is in most people's minds.

[jason hissong]

my point is not that House of M suffers because of what i mentioned- my point is that the other titles suffer as a result of House of M. i think you misinterpreted my original post. but i agree that House of M is fine on its own.


Fair enough.

-j

[alexlannin]

I agree with your first post Jonny.

[Piechuck]

thumbs up. loved it

[antistar]

I think the justification for it not being an alternate universe comes from how reality was altered.

AoA was an alternate Universe because time travel and an alteration of history happened. When Xavier got killed, the timesteam split off and got changed and it effected the present. Things unfolded naturally, or as naturally as they could after that one moment got changed.

HoM is the present, altered by reality altering powers. Wanda isn't reaching into the past to alter the present, she is using her powers to change the way things are currently. Things aren't unfolding naturally after the timestream got altered, she is contsructing a new reality using the pieces of the present she can manipulate. This isn't an alternate present created by time travel; this IS the present, changed in very specific and purposeful ways by a mutant that can alter reality.
That's how I see it anyway. Bendis can confirm or deny.

[Blake Sims]

antistar you better fix that quick
people shall get angry

edit: good job! :D

[marvelboi77]

I liked the book, but now I wish I wouldn't have read the preview pages in Wizard and the first 5 pages that were posted on the internet, that was half the book. I'm excited for what's to come. Pitty no Spider-Woman in the story.

Wizard had in their magazine 6 scenarios that one will occur at the end of this title. One of them is the 60,000 mutants in the world going down to 300 does not make sense to me. The reason is every Mutant Marvel Super hero and villian other than a few crappy ones will survive and everyone else will be gone. So I don't think this is what's going to happen. Plus I hope the pay off is not Daredevil's secret identity is in tact.

[Jonny Z]

I bought it. But I usually don't hate Claremont quite to the same extent as everyone else here.

yeah, we aint big fans ;)

[PeterSparker]

So did Ron like it or not, I can't tell. :)

I'll just say that the comixextreme review Bendis posted expresses everything I would write about it. I thought it was a very good start. (And y'know, I'm so glad I always avoid everything concerning a book I'm gonna pick up (or a movie I'm gonna see) till I'm there. I've never understood why people want to to know so much about something in advance, why diminish the impact of a story, rather than just have the experiene for what it was fully meant?) Anyway, I agree not much action happened, especially for kicking off a big event, but it was a real solid set up none the less, and we know by the time we get to issue #3 things are supposed to be wild. Plus setting up the dynamic of who's who in their thinking on the matter at hand is worth doing to add to the tension and drama. I thought Emma in particular was written very well, along with Magneto. Strong characterization all the way around.

I liked the ending, I really liked the way Spidey's head was working its way into the panel those last pages. :)

Very well scripted Brian, and I'm looking forward to things kicking up from here. I'm in




*(oh, and can Wanda create an alternitive reality where Hank doesn't wear that suit by any chance?)

[BENDIS!]

great conversation guys... hope it continues...

and for those of you read the previews, that's not my fault :)

good news is i think that is it for the sneaks and you haven't even seen the juicy stuff yet.

the retailer feedback has been through the roof. man, what a relief... this shit is nerve wracking!!

[Andrew j]

I think the justification for it not being an alternate universe comes from how reality was altered.

AoA was an alternate Universe because time travel and an alteration of history happened. When Xavier got killed, the timesteam split off and got changed and it effected the present. Things unfolded naturally, or as naturally as they could after that one moment got changed.

HoM is the present, altered by reality altering powers. Wanda isn't reaching into the past to alter the present, she is using her powers to change the way things are currently. Things aren't unfolding naturally after the timestream got altered, she is contsructing a new reality using the pieces of the present she can manipulate. This isn't an alternate present created by time travel; this IS the present, changed in very specific and purposeful ways by a mutant that can alter reality.
That's how I see it anyway. Bendis can confirm or deny.

tomayto tomahto In my mind. The truth is that the story looks as though an "alternate" version of actual occurences in the Marvel U are going to be shown. Sure they have the importance of "these reeeeally happened" but for fucks sake it really is the same thing.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

so if Wolverine killed 10,000 children while possessed that would be okay, because they weren't important heroes?

:rolleyes:

Yes, Wolverine, 'got back under control'-- shouldn't Wanda have that same chance?

The point is that it more than likely won't happen with Wanda, while we knew it was a possibility provided Shield got their hands on the rogue Wolvie. Plus, while Wolvie was on the killing spree I'm sure he wanted someone to kill him if it would have stopped him from hurting innocent people. I think that was the point of what he said in the room.

[Slingy]

I'm not sure why people are even arguing over why
the characters are arguing about killing Wanda. I thought the point of all this was that it was a controversial idea and not everyone is going to go for it. And yes, if the character is significantly powerful enough with no control over their actions, killing is a legitimate option. Check out Ultimate X-Men 41.

I really liked the issue overall,
especially the bit about Pietro yelling too fast.

The issue title should have been "Spider-Man Walks into a Giant Vagina".

[Brandon191]

I liked it quite alot. A good solid first issue. Copiel's art has improved leaps and bounds since his work on Avengers.

[Jonny Z]

how long is all this supposed to go on for? when is issue 8 scheduled to ship?

and i dont want my comments to seem overly critical... just that i'm dissapointed that it seems little happened in 22 pages compared to all the hype, previews, and solicits for this issue and the series that we've been hard pressed to avoid (especially with Bendis pointing us directly to spoilers on the Marvel website :mad: also, in comparison to Infinite crisis, they had an 80 page intro issue while all we get is a brisk 22. i cant judge the event based solely on issue 1 obviously. just that i'm a little nervous now about how its all gonna play out.

[John Drake]

I like this issue a lot. More than I expected to actually. But why didn't the X-Men react to Magneto being alive?

Iron Man said something about Magneto taking Wanda, and the X-Men didn't even feel the need to tell him "Uh, Magneto's dead". AFAIK, the X-Men don't know he's still alive. All in all, GREAT. I think one-eyed-Bendis writes better ;)

[KeyserSoze]

I have no problems with the characters debating whether or not Wanda should die and I am also not concerned at this point about whether this is an alternate reality or not. I'm content to let the story play out.

My problem with this, and really the only reason I did not like this issue, is the fucked up continuity. I, too, believe that continuity is important and it really bothers me seeing all this stuff happen when the Astonishing X-Men and New Avengers stories have not been resolved. Astonishing X-Men is my favorite superhero book at the moment and this just seems to step all over what Whedon is doing.

I also agree that DC is doing a much better job continuity wise right now. I know much less about the DC universe and its characters than I do Marvel but I feel I have a much firmer grasp on whats going on over there right now just due to the fact that their books are actually synching up.

I'm still onboard for this whole House of M thing but I hope these issue are resolved soon.

[Mike Haseloff]

I like this issue a lot. More than I expected to actually. But why didn't the X-Men react to Magneto being alive?

Iron Man said something about Magneto taking Wanda, and the X-Men didn't even feel the need to tell him "Uh, Magneto's dead". AFAIK, the X-Men don't know he's still alive. All in all, GREAT. I think one-eyed-Bendis writes better ;)They already know Magneto is alive, don't they?!
NXM guy was just an imposter! Most of the important people knew, like Wolvie and Nick Fury. It happened in Excalibur. :D

Some people might not be using the black colour format, chief.
To do it properly use [spoiler ][ /spoiler] without the dicky spaces.

[Jonny Z]

They already know Magneto is alive, don't they?!
NXM guy was just an imposter! Most of the important people knew, like Wolvie and Nick Fury. It happened in Excalibur. :D

Some people might not be using the black colour format, chief.
To do it properly use [spoiler ][ /spoiler] without the dicky spaces.

no one i know reads excalibur, so thats unfair to those of us who prefer not to blow money on every x-book.

[Race]

Three things:

1) I agree with everything Shwicaz has said about HoM.

2) It was better than I expected it to be.

3) Ultra Hyper Spoiler Predicition for the Climax:

Quicksilver will come to realize that while he may have sworn to protect Wanda from any and all who want to hurt her, he cannot protect her from herself and will be the one who puts a stop to the madness.

[McAfee]

I really enjoyed it, but goddamn it, I wish Marvel would keep a release schedule. Some of the elements of the story seemed like they covered elements only hinted at in other books. It's ironic really, the continuity is getting "fixed" but the timeline is fucked due to release dates.

[Constant Reader]

Ya' know why I just can't get into this? Because the release schedules are so screwed up at Marvel right now, everything is just a disjointed mess. Stuff that happened in one series six months ago is being treated in other series' as though it hasn't happened yet. There's so much unresolved stuff out there, and yet the "big events" just keep marching forward leaving everything else to catch up. It makes for a very disconnected reading experience.

Prime example: "Secret War" and "The Pulse." "SW" comes out every once in a while, and then we get an issue of "Pulse" that rehashes some of that stuff and moves it incrementally forward, then we have to wait three months before we see anything else. I know I sound like I'm whining, but it really takes me out of the story when stuff is is helter-skelter.

DC's got it right. They've been planting seeds for their big event for a couple of years now, and everything's lined up and coming out in proper order. Both "Crisis" and "Seven Soldiers" are falling into place, while Marvel's stuff just seems to be falling apart.

Just my two pennies.

CR

[Race]

I think I would prefer an wait for these special miniseries to be completed before any of them are completed - since they could then be released on a regular schedule.

[Shwicaz]

One question though - if the Avengers are trying to conceal their new headquarters, would they really park a quinjet on the roof? I imagine that would be spotted pretty quickly.

Yeah, I thought that was very odd. Carol and them just talk about how they were told that they couldn't 'fly up' to the top of the tower because no one knows they are there yet and they want to keep the secret.

THE VERY NEXT PAGE we have The X-Men's Quinjet coming in for a very visible landing on top of the building right next to the Avengers Quinjet.

why would they say to the former Avengers 'don't fly', but then have the X-Men come dropping down in their big ass spaceship?

odd.

[MIKE D]

Ya' know why I just can't get into this? Because the release schedules are so screwed up at Marvel right now, everything is just a disjointed mess. Stuff that happened in one series six months ago is being treated in other series' as though it hasn't happened yet. There's so much unresolved stuff out there, and yet the "big events" just keep marching forward leaving everything else to catch up. It makes for a very disconnected reading experience.

Prime example: "Secret War" and "The Pulse." "SW" comes out every once in a while, and then we get an issue of "Pulse" that rehashes some of that stuff and moves it incrementally forward, then we have to wait three months before we see anything else. I know I sound like I'm whining, but it really takes me out of the story when stuff is is helter-skelter.

DC's got it right. They've been planting seeds for their big event for a couple of years now, and everything's lined up and coming out in proper order. Both "Crisis" and "Seven Soldiers" are falling into place, while Marvel's stuff just seems to be falling apart.

Just my two pennies.

CR


I see where you are coming from. Marvel's chronic lateness makes it interesting to see if all these books actually show up on time, and in the order they should be appreciated. As sucky as Secret Wars 2 was, something on that scale could never be undertaken by Marvel today.

[bstie1198]

Some people might not be using the black colour format, chief.
To do it properly use [spoiler ][ /spoiler] without the dicky spaces.
Mmmmm.... Dicky spaces.... Er... Um... Nevermind. :Oops:

Oh, and I enjoyed the issue overall. I like the alternate reality / reality warping stories, though, so I was pretty sure I'd dig it.

[thecheat1]

Yup. I did, and I can't find it right now ;)

Interesting how my theory how things would happen has been pretty accurate (so far..)

Looking forward to reading the rest!

I'm sorry, this is completely off the topic but, I was looking at your sig picture and I have to know, how did you find a picture of a kid smashing himself in the family jewels with an X-Box (more then once) and why in God's name would anyone do that?

[Shwicaz]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR HOUSE OF M AND OTHER MARVEL AND DC BOOKS



This summer DC has a big event going on.

So does Marvel.

And from the two completely different events, we also see two completely different takes on how to do these events.

DC's 'Countdown to Infinite Crisis' is something that Dan Didio has stated in interviews is something that has been in the works for about 2 and 1/2 years. Over that time, clues have been dropped in various titles that seemed unrelated , and may have gone by unnoticed, but are there for you to find and connect (so says Didio).

DC has 4 mini-series coming out of their 80 page $1 book 'Countdown to Infinite Crisis'. They have arranged it so that each week, one issue of each of these minis will ship, and the other titles in the main DCU all seem to be 'in sycnh' with what is going on.

Yes, there have been/are some inconsistencies (i.e. in Wonder Woman's title, she is still blind, where she is running around with perfect vision in the rest of the DCU books), but other than that, and a few late shipping books (people were concerned that Green Lantern #1 was going to ship before Green Lantern: Rebirth ended, but that worked itself out).

Overall, readers of the DCU are being rewarded with a cohesive universe, where all of the titles seem to have an inter-connectivity that makes me a bit jealous.

Why am I jealous? Well, lets look at Marvel's event and how it is handled.

Written by Bendis, and spinning out into a bunch of other titles, this event promises to reshape the Marvel U and have lasting changes.

The problem with House of M, is that it is featuring two teams that are very visible (both as teams, or solo characters) in high profile books. So, when one reads the first issue of House of M, people (or at least me) ask these questions:

Why is Sentry in the lineup? We haven't even seen his story addressed yet. and won't for another couple of months.

Didn't Peter and Kitty just have something horrible befall them in Astonishing X-Men?

Weren't all of the 'Astonishing' cast just beaten to a pulp in their own title? Why are they all 'fine' here?

Why didn't cap or Wolverine mention anything about his 'posessed by the hand' killing spree in his own title while bringing up what to do with Wanda?

Isn't Cap dealing with 'the winter soldier'?

Why is JMS dealing with spidey/MJ/Aunt May moving into Avengers tower in one book, when in their own 'main book' they haven't even finished their first adventure yet and fully formed?

So, when I read House of M, I have all these questions in my head. Yes, the easy answer would be to say "well, this story obviously takes place after those events", and yet in the caption for New Avengers AND House of M, and a few other books it always ends with 'that was six months ago...." so we are obviously in the same time period, so why not clear up the damn continuity.

I love Bendis work, but the late shipping books and the chaos that has been the Marvel U lately is really seriously detracting from my enjoyment of the mini as a whole, and I am not sure if I should just 'ignore' these glaring inconsistencies and chalk it up to 'Marvel just being Marvel', or if I should just drop the damn mini because I know that these questions are going to bug me.

Have I become the dreaded 'fanboy'? Or do you guys understand where I am coming from?

[dion]

I dunno if to blame Bendis or Waid in this instance but I'm tired of writers always having Peter end up with Gwen in these alternate reality stories. What makes it even more insulting in this case is that apparently the whole thing is some kind of a wish fullfillment thing, are the readers supposed to think Peter would rather live with his long dead girlfriend than his wife? More realistic option would have been bringing back baby May to Pete and MJ but of course Bendis/Waid had to go with the lame and tired Gwen scenario.

I take some comfort in knowing that PAD and JMS who actually have some respect for the couple will most likely ignore this whole Gwen thing in the core books, but it still sucks.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

I'm late in here so everything has probably already been discussed. House was very well recieved yesterday. Great cover and I like the way it clearly says New Avengers and Astonishing X-men on the cover. That really does help browsers. I'd say about 70% of my customers don't use the internet for comics news and became aware of this project through the posters and door knockers. One guy complained that all the copies were dinged, but that stock of paper just picks things up. And he's not a reader anyway, he's a young "collector" looking for hot stuff :rolleyes: . The character interactions were good and the art great. There's no reason to not pick up on this if you read Marvel. I can't speak on the crossover, but I have had a lot of people to sign up for ALL House of M. A lot. I have some re-ordering to do. Unfortunately due to Wizard and Newsarama, I'd already read a good portion of the comic, but the parts I hadn't read were very interesting. Its going to be a good event for Marvel this summer. And for readers. So did I hear something to the effect that Marvel will make sure that copies of this story are available for the duration? That would be a good thing because the demand if likely to be higher than we retailers expected. Especially with the #1 on the shelf for fence sitters to inspect.

Wolverine's comment about what to do if his powers ever went out of control/ he went bad. When is this happening in relation to Wolverine's storyline? White Queen was really taking the lead, but nobody called her out about being a villain. Maybe the Hellfire Club is not so well known in Avengers circles. Also, I picked up on what was happening with Xavier on my second read. Nice. And I was not expecting the ending if this issue until a few issues in actually. Hmm.

[MIKE D]

I understand COMPLETELY where you are coming from. The move to unite continuity in Marvel is a noble concept, but I don't think it's feasible or even advisable given the inability to keep the core books on schedule. Ultimately, all you get is a big mess.

[DrMachine]

I personally don't see any of that as a continuity problem...I figure if a year from now you can read them and make sense of what's going on...then it's okay

[Shwicaz]

I personally don't see any of that as a continuity problem...I figure if a year from now you can read them and make sense of what's going on...then it's okay

but why should I have to wait a year to 'get' the continuity?

[TIP]

It also would have been helpful if they waited for Secret War to wrap prior to this next event.

T

[joeAR]

It doesn't bother me at all, just use your imagination and remember that it's just a comic book

[xyzzy]

I know it's implied, but since you're spoiling stuff that isn't actually in House of M, maybe you should toss a spoiler warning in there somewhere.

[Ray G.]

Marvel continuity is a train wreck. It has been for a long time. Remember when New York was destroyed by two seperate events in Thor and New X-men, but at the same time the city was perfectly fine in the Spider-man books?

[DrMachine]

but why should I have to wait a year to 'get' the continuity?

I don't understand what's "to get"

you read it now already knowing that it obviously fits in somewhere AND knowing that some of the core books are late...once the ongoing series catches up...it fits

[McAfee]

I personally don't see any of that as a continuity problem...I figure if a year from now you can read them and make sense of what's going on...then it's okay

Who has that kind of patience? People shouldn't be made to wait to read what they buy today so that it makes more sense. That's just silly.

[Shwicaz]

It doesn't bother me at all, just use your imagination and remember that it's just a comic book

I do, and even that doesn't work.

To just dismiss blatant inconsistencies by one company that seem to be very well addressed by another company is a problem I have.

When DC can get their books out on time (with superman/batman and green lantern rebirth being the only exception that I know about)

while Marvel has us wait 16 months for issue 2 of DD: Father, or publishes Ultimate Iron Man #2 in May, but says that issue 3 won't be seen until August or September, then that is something that I, as a loyal reader of Marvel for 17 years have a bit of a problem with.

[McAfee]

It doesn't bother me at all, just use your imagination and remember that it's just a comic book

I sort of agree, BUT they promised continuity and that's not what we're getting. In fact, it's 180 degrees the other way because of the current release schedules.

[alexlannin]

but why should I have to wait a year to 'get' the continuity?
And somehow something else will mess it up a year from now.
Consistency isn't Marvel's strength, it hasn't been for a long time, I think their books are best when continuity's not even strived for, and that "event" books throughout its universe should really be left alone.

[DrMachine]

Who has that kind of patience? People shouldn't be made to wait to read what they buy today so that it makes more sense. That's just silly.


I never said you had to wait...that doesn't make sense to me either...my point is that you KNOW that it will fit in somewhere, it's just not apparent YET

it would bother me more that there were spoilers in the story because it's obviously set at some future point within the continuity

[Smokinblues]

you're thinking about it too much. Obviously the time lines have gotten a little out of whack, and it takes a little juggling to make it fit into place. But it easily fits into place for the most part. All it really does is spoil the fact that none of the damage in AXM is permanent, either that or AXM is happening way before or after.

I think it would detract from all the stories if each comic had to spell out when they take place in relation to everything else. As long as their aren't any major contradictions and all the pieces they say should fit do when it's all said and done that's all that really matters.

And while hints may have been dropped all over the DCU for two years there's really only been 2 or 3 books worth reading consistently in the DCU for me.

[Race]

I do, and even that doesn't work.

To just dismiss blatant inconsistencies by one company that seem to be very well addressed by another company is a problem I have.

When DC can get their books out on time (with superman/batman and green lantern rebirth being the only exception that I know about)

while Marvel has us wait 16 months for issue 2 of DD: Father, or publishes Ultimate Iron Man #2 in May, but says that issue 3 won't be seen until August or September, then that is something that I, as a loyal reader of Marvel for 17 years have a bit of a problem with.

I agree with you. And to be honest, it doesn't help in the ongoing arguement I have with myself about whether or not I still want to spend a bunch of money each month on comic books.

EDIT: Meaning to say it's harder and harder to justify.

[Shwicaz]

I never said you had to wait...that doesn't make sense to me either...my point is that you KNOW that it will fit in somewhere, it's just not apparent YET


yeah, but that is my point.

We KNOW it fits in somewhere, but since some of those stories aren't even finished being told yet, we have to 'fill in the blanks' with our own theories.

For Example:

SPOILERS FOR ASTONISHING X-MEN #10

in the latest Astonishing X-Men, Peter and Kitty got impaled after battling the danger room robot and the x=men were lying broken and beaten at the issues end. Big Cliff-hanger. BUT, with House of M #1, it appears that everyone is A-OK.

[joeAR]

yeah, but that is my point.

We KNOW it fits in somewhere, but since some of those stories aren't even finished being told yet, we have to 'fill in the blanks' with our own theories.

For Example:

SPOILERS FOR ASTONISHING X-MEN #10

in the latest Astonishing X-Men, Peter and Kitty got impaled after battling the danger room robot and the x=men were lying broken and beaten at the issues end. Big Cliff-hanger. BUT, with House of M #1, it appears that everyone is A-OK.


What did you think that they would kill everyone off?

[Smokinblues]

and I don't know how cohesive the DCU is either really. I mean Superman/Batman seems to be in it's own little universe for the most part. The superman in the various supes books can almost seem like completely different characters. You point out the wonder woman incosistency.

Marvel's had some issues lately with delays. It happens. It always seems to be a bigger deal when it happens with Marvel than it does with DC for some reason.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

The problem with House of M, is that it is featuring two teams that are very visible (both as teams, or solo characters) in high profile books. So, when one reads the first issue of House of M, people (or at least me) ask these questions:

Why is Sentry in the lineup? We haven't even seen his story addressed yet. and won't for another couple of months.

Didn't Peter and Kitty just have something horrible befall them in Astonishing X-Men?

Weren't all of the 'Astonishing' cast just beaten to a pulp in their own title? Why are they all 'fine' here?

Why didn't cap or Wolverine mention anything about his 'posessed by the hand' killing spree in his own title while bringing up what to do with Wanda?

Isn't Cap dealing with 'the winter soldier'?

Why is JMS dealing with spidey/MJ/Aunt May moving into Avengers tower in one book, when in their own 'main book' they haven't even finished their first adventure yet and fully formed?

So, when I read House of M, I have all these questions in my head. Yes, the easy answer would be to say "well, this story obviously takes place after those events", and yet in the caption for New Avengers AND House of M, and a few other books it always ends with 'that was six months ago...." so we are obviously in the same time period, so why not clear up the damn continuity.

I love Bendis work, but the late shipping books and the chaos that has been the Marvel U lately is really seriously detracting from my enjoyment of the mini as a whole, and I am not sure if I should just 'ignore' these glaring inconsistencies and chalk it up to 'Marvel just being Marvel', or if I should just drop the damn mini because I know that these questions are going to bug me.

Have I become the dreaded 'fanboy'? Or do you guys understand where I am coming from?

Well they used to do this thing where a little box in the corner would say "these events take place before the events of Wolverine #20" or "see New Avengers #7 on shelves now." Footnotes. They allowed for the story to be told even if other elements were not yet ready to go from other books at the company. AND they served as a marketing tool to let people know where to go to see more if they wanted to. "Well what happened in Wolverine #20? Let me go find that." Or "why does Cap act this way, lemme see this Avengers #7 that is on the shelf now." Now you either have to wrangle that stuff in your own mind or have no idea when things are happening. The Marvel universe's connectivity was one of its draws as a brand. Connectivity doesn't mean crossovers either. It means you know this stuff is happening in the same place where these people operate. Marvel went out of its way to get rid of that a few years ago, but it seems to be slowly returning. But not fast enough I guess. So I see your point, but to some degree the reader has to work it out as in "these events in Sacrifice must be before WW gets her sight back in her own title...I guess." For DC, maybe the prelude to infinite crisis compilation will clear some things. For Marvel, you're on your own so far.

[Shwicaz]

NO, of course not, but it was one hell of a shocking panel with a big cliff-hanger.

I would have like to have seen how the resolution played out before I saw everyone up and running around in another title.

[modungo]

Couldn't agree more. Another thing, it seems like H.O.M. #1 is the first time Prof X has seen the X-Men since Jean died but he's in the next issue of Astonishing. Which happened first? I agree that overall continuity shouldn't be adheared to at the expense of the single title but an event using characters from other titles SHOULD follow what's happening in the books.

And what is up with that Wonder Woman thing? Some smarter-than-me geek has to know.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

and I don't know how cohesive the DCU is either really. I mean Superman/Batman seems to be in it's own little universe for the most part. The superman in the various supes books can almost seem like completely different characters. You point out the wonder woman incosistency.

Marvel's had some issues lately with delays. It happens. It always seems to be a bigger deal when it happens with Marvel than it does with DC for some reason.
Superman Batman does do its own thing as relates to the DCU, but it insists on using super obsure stuff like Harbinger and the adult Legion while also having key stuff like Luthor's crisis claims in it. I couldn't take it trying to do both at the same time and dropped it. I tried to read this week's issue, but I couldn't get through it.

[Shwicaz]

And what is up with that Wonder Woman thing? Some smarter-than-me geek has to know.


what specifically do you want to know?

(I have been reading the book for the past year or so)

[joeAR]

Couldn't agree more. Another thing, it seems like H.O.M. #1 is the first time Prof X has seen the X-Men since Jean died but he's in the next issue of Astonishing. Which happened first? I agree that overall continuity shouldn't be adheared to at the expense of the single title but an event using characters from other titles SHOULD follow what's happening in the books.

And what is up with that Wonder Woman thing? Some smarter-than-me geek has to know.


Just cause Xaiver's in the next issue of Astonishing doesn't mean that he will actually meets his former students

[Cth]

If you think that's bad.. try being a Hulk fan right now :)

We're told anything that's happened since the late 80s, may not have really happened.. and that everything from this point forth may also be fake.

At least that's how some fans are using it, rather than just ignoring the past and focusing on the current story.

[Shwicaz]

If you think that's bad.. try being a Hulk fan right now :)

We're told anything that's happened since the late 80s, may not have really happened.. and that everything from this point forth may also be fake.

At least that's how some fans are using it, rather than just ignoring the past and focusing on the current story.


is that last line a subtle dig?

:p

[Andrew j]

Ya' know why I just can't get into this? Because the release schedules are so screwed up at Marvel right now, everything is just a disjointed mess. Stuff that happened in one series six months ago is being treated in other series' as though it hasn't happened yet. There's so much unresolved stuff out there, and yet the "big events" just keep marching forward leaving everything else to catch up. It makes for a very disconnected reading experience.

Prime example: "Secret War" and "The Pulse." "SW" comes out every once in a while, and then we get an issue of "Pulse" that rehashes some of that stuff and moves it incrementally forward, then we have to wait three months before we see anything else. I know I sound like I'm whining, but it really takes me out of the story when stuff is is helter-skelter.

DC's got it right. They've been planting seeds for their big event for a couple of years now, and everything's lined up and coming out in proper order. Both "Crisis" and "Seven Soldiers" are falling into place, while Marvel's stuff just seems to be falling apart.

Just my two pennies.

CR

I agree.

[DrMachine]

yeah, but that is my point.

We KNOW it fits in somewhere, but since some of those stories aren't even finished being told yet, we have to 'fill in the blanks' with our own theories.

For Example:

SPOILERS FOR ASTONISHING X-MEN #10

in the latest Astonishing X-Men, Peter and Kitty got impaled after battling the danger room robot and the x=men were lying broken and beaten at the issues end. Big Cliff-hanger. BUT, with House of M #1, it appears that everyone is A-OK.

right...but if you didn't want that spoiled you stay away from the crossovers...you are obviously aware that the continuity is a bit wacky, why spoil it for yourself if you are that concerned about it

personally it makes me want to see how the core storylines are going to play out...I knew in Astonishing xmen that those events you describe weren't going to play out the way they appeared...now I REALLY want to know how it plays out

I'm not a hardcore DC fan, but I have bought a few issues...and I personally don't see how Batman/Superman or Wonderwoman fits in with the "crisis" not to mention the Identity Crisis thing not fitting in at the time either...so don't think it's just Marvels continuity that is screwed up...it's just the nature of monthly publishing with big crossovers thrown into the mix

[thecheat1]

So, my thoughts on House of M. I thought it was great but, a little confusing at times from an artwork/storytelling standpoint. Also, I really like Copiel's artwork but, I can't figure out why Cyclops has a He-Man giant chest and a tiny head (that actually goes for a lot of the characters but, Cyclops especially. His nickname is "Slim" for crying out loud). Anyways, on to the issues brought up:

The Peter/Gwen thing. I think it makes total sense that, from a wish fulfillment standpoint that Gwen would be there instead on Mary Jane. True, I believe in current continuity, Peter loves Mary Jane with all his heart and doesn't feel like she is second best to Gwen. At the same time, Gwen was his first love that was brutally taken away from him and may have been his "true love". It's also Peter's greatest regret. If Peter could make his life perfect, Gwen never would have died, therefore, it make sense that she'd be the one he is with. I totally disagree with the idea Bendis is trotting out a tired old plot device. That's like saying, "God, why do they keep bringing up Bucky in Cap" or "Can't Bruce Wayne just get over the death of his parents?". It's their greatest failures/defining moments and that's why they are used. To be honest, I don't think the story would work without using Gwen.

As for the continuity issues, yes, I wish everything was out on time. DC has done a great job at keeping things pretty up to date (with the exception of everything going on with Wonder Woman, is she blind, not blind?). Yet, I'm not having any problem following the story. I can keep track of where certain storylines are in the timestream. It's not ruining every cliffhanger for me in the other books. I don't think anyone is suprised the Sentry is in the Avengers, Wolverine's not brainwashed, Kitty and Peter are alive, ect. Maybe I can just multi-task better but, it hasn't been a huge problem for me, especially cause, if I waited for the stories to be over, I would have any House of M until September, and I just can't wait that long.

Finally, the Wolverine killing thing. I believe when Cap said, "We don't kill" or something along those lines, he meant "we don't kill one of our own". Wanda is family to him and he's not going to except her fate. Of course, Cap is a solider, has killed in the past but, he doesn't like doing it and the war really turned him off on it. I personally think that Cap's portrayal is Cap#1 when he killed those guys was a little of base (though, its continuing to improve) and I think that was writer liberty to grit up Cap. Wolverine, on the other hand, will kill anytime he thinks it is necessary. Wanda's out of control, he has no problem killing her. As far as Wolverine's killing spree not being treated the same, I'm pretty sure the whole Marvel universe was after him at the end of Enemy of the State and he was pretty messed up at the end of that. The reason he was killed was because Shield felt he could be reprogrammed and used by them. Wanda is dangerous and can't be controlled. If she could, Shield would snatch her up in a second.

[TIP]

Merged with the HOM thread.

T

[SimiBoyz]

In reply to the merged srossover thread:-


I don't know if it is true or not, but your post reads to me as though you read a hell of a lot of Marvel and just a few of DC titles and spotted the mistakes in the titles you read.

The DC section is "were told were getting this, and that, and .....blah, blah, blah"
The MARVEL section highlights every inconsistancy you know about. "this is wrong, that is wrong.... blah, blah, blah."

While I know that DC has had this planning for 2 years apparently and can and probably have sorted out beforehand any continuity errors, and MARVELS big event was just something that sprang out of dis-assembled so couldn't plan for it beforhand.
It still seems you're being far too critical of MARVEL and some of the problems highlightd are in my opinion very minor and I'm positive I can find similar examples in the DCU.

As JRMachine says, I don't see all the titles existing in the same exact time frame. New Avengers os still telling a story based 4 months ago while AMZ has moved to the current place in time and has moved in. Comics have always been like this, it's like this in the DCU, and always will be, though DC have tried to make sure that this is minimal during this event.

Some of the Marvel gripes I agree with and seems silly to not have dealt with them as it would be an easy enough job, but it won't distract me from the story that much at all. The lateness issue can be quite annoying, but I really don't feel that with the way I buy my comics over here.

Anyway, time to finish work, get home, and drink some beer.

I think this is the most serious I have got on the board this week.

[DrMachine]

Just thought of another DC example (not to bash but to point out it's not JUST Marvel) but the Lee/Azzarello Superman events didn't appear to fit into continuity either....

[Jonny Z]

Merged with the HOM thread.

T

yeah i started a thread too about astonishing continuity that got merged with this.

[Shwicaz]

I think this is the most serious I have got on the board this week.


sorry to have brought down the tone of the board.

[DrMachine]

yeah i started a thread too about astonishing continuity that got merged with this.

obviously because it's easier to have 5 different conversations about 5 different topics in the same thread

duh

[Shwicaz]

Just thought of another DC example (not to bash but to point out it's not JUST Marvel) but the Lee/Azzarello Superman events didn't appear to fit into continuity either....

exactly, I didn't say that DC was perfect, I even pointed out a few examples I knew off of the top of my head.

Granted multiple title books are hard to keep in synch, I know that(for example Batman doing what he is doing in OMAC #2, while he is all over the DCU in other books) but it just seems to me that DC really seems 'on the ball' with their big event, while House of M seems like it was put out just because it was a good story to tell (and I do not have any problem with a good story, so please don't bash me on that comment)

[Nick_Ardill]

Couldn't agree more. Another thing, it seems like H.O.M. #1 is the first time Prof X has seen the X-Men since Jean died but he's in the next issue of Astonishing. Which happened first? I agree that overall continuity shouldn't be adheared to at the expense of the single title but an event using characters from other titles SHOULD follow what's happening in the books.

And what is up with that Wonder Woman thing? Some smarter-than-me geek has to know.
I think that when the X-Men are seeing Professor X after the events of Astonishing X-Men because if you look at the solicitations for issue 11 and 12 the X-Men turn their back on Professor Xavier.
When Cyclops and Kitty refer to things ending badly between them, thats what they're refering to.

[Shwicaz]

obviously because it's easier to have 5 different conversations about 5 different topics in the same thread

duh


yeah, because we have to keep those 28 deep throat topics alive and well.

:p

[Nick_Ardill]

Just thought of another DC example (not to bash but to point out it's not JUST Marvel) but the Lee/Azzarello Superman events didn't appear to fit into continuity either....
Yeah the Azzarello/Lee run was initially supposed to take place a year ahead in the coninuity, but it seems like half way through Azzarello changed his mind about the time to better coincide with Infinite Crisis.

[DrMachine]

exactly, I didn't say that DC was perfect, I even pointed out a few examples I knew off of the top of my head.


you didn't, but there were some comments about how DC has it together


yeah, because we have to keep those 28 deep throat topics alive and well.

:p

uh...double duh

[Jonny Z]

obviously because it's easier to have 5 different conversations about 5 different topics in the same thread

duh

yeah, i was a huge proponent of the thread merging thing, but that was in regards to the same news being posted multiple times- i dont think its the right decision to merge the house of M thread with a thread about Continuity in general though. 2 very different topics and i dont think we'll have as informative a discussion in a merged thread as we would in a separate thread.

[BENDIS!]

yeah, i was a huge proponent of the thread merging thing, but that was in regards to the same news being posted multiple times- i dont think its the right decision to merge the house of M thread with a thread about Continuity in general though. 2 very different topics and i dont think we'll have as informative a discussion in a merged thread as we would in a separate thread.


how about we merge all your bitching in to one big bitch!!

god damn you can whine!! :)

[Olivier E.]

Bendis: The secondlast page is that a Vagina?

[neil k]

I dunno if to blame Bendis or Waid in this instance but I'm tired of writers always having Peter end up with Gwen in these alternate reality stories. What makes it even more insulting in this case is that apparently the whole thing is some kind of a wish fullfillment thing, are the readers supposed to think Peter would rather live with his long dead girlfriend than his wife? More realistic option would have been bringing back baby May to Pete and MJ but of course Bendis/Waid had to go with the lame and tired Gwen scenario.

I take some comfort in knowing that PAD and JMS who actually have some respect for the couple will most likely ignore this whole Gwen thing in the core books, but it still sucks.

I bet it was Waid's idea. Like Jeph Loeb I don't think Waid ever got over Gwen's death and based on his Fanboy Radio talk he seems to hate MJ and the marriage. Hopefully this will be explained away so that it doesn't tarnish the Peter/Mary Jane relationship. Shame on Bendis & Waid.

[DrMachine]

how about we merge all your bitching in to one big bitch!!

god damn you can whine!! :)


I'm sooooooooo jealous of JonnyZ right now!

[Jonny Z]

how about we merge all your bitching in to one big bitch!!

god damn you can whine!! :)

its in my blood :mad:

and yeah, i am very whiney this week... well for the last 2 weeks. i think it all started with my dissapointment in revenge of the sith.

but yeah, i know- i should stop whining about the merging and just try and get back to the discussion of continuity (or lack thereof).

[BENDIS!]

Bendis: The secondlast page is that a Vagina?


what would freud say? :)

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

Just thought of another DC example (not to bash but to point out it's not JUST Marvel) but the Lee/Azzarello Superman events didn't appear to fit into continuity either....
I had throught it would be an aside story where Azz could do what he wanted and not have to worry about other comics (for tomorrow was supposed to be taking place a year from "now", right?), but the use of Omac and the new fortress sink that idea.

[Jonny Z]

i'm a single issues guy, always have been- but is it a stretch saying house of m and all the titles tied in will read A LOT better in trades? i was talking to Nat who's a huge trade guy and he was trying to convince me to switch. but i've been buying singles all my life...

[Taxman]

Anyone one who is trying to avoid spoilers and comes into this thread, isn't trying hard enough.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

Yeah the Azzarello/Lee run was initially supposed to take place a year ahead in the coninuity, but it seems like half way through Azzarello changed his mind about the time to better coincide with Infinite Crisis.
Is that something he would decide or even care about though? If anything I'd say it came from above.

[Shwicaz]

its in my blood :mad:

and yeah, i am very whiney this week... well for the last 2 weeks. i think it all started with my dissapointment in revenge of the sith.




Holy shit. That is twice this week where Jonny and I have agreed.

Wanda is obviously affecting our reality as well.

:p

The great thing about this is that all my comments are on record here. Bendis obviously knows more than we do and can't say anything. If I am proven wrong on some of the things I have said, then I will gladly apologise and say "I was wrong".

But unti then.... :p :moon:

[Shwicaz]

Bendis: The secondlast page is that a Vagina?

I have seen many people say this online lately.

Is it because I am gay that I didn't see a giant vagina?

(and NO, I didn't think it looked like a giant butt-crack, either)

:p

[adamgreenberger]

I had throught it would be an aside story where Azz could do what he wanted and not have to worry about other comics (for tomorrow was supposed to be taking place a year from "now", right?), but the use of Omac and the new fortress sink that idea.

I was under the impression that it started out a year from "now" and regular DC continuity caught up to it eventually.

[Smokinblues]

exactly, I didn't say that DC was perfect, I even pointed out a few examples I knew off of the top of my head.

Granted multiple title books are hard to keep in synch, I know that(for example Batman doing what he is doing in OMAC #2, while he is all over the DCU in other books) but it just seems to me that DC really seems 'on the ball' with their big event, while House of M seems like it was put out just because it was a good story to tell (and I do not have any problem with a good story, so please don't bash me on that comment)

Part of the reason DC seems so on the ball is that they're going out of their way to see how many different titles they can squeeze into a crossover. I mean sheesh. I much prefer the Marvel approach of have the event, and let creators tie in if they want to.

[Jonny Z]

Holy shit. That is twice this week where Jonny and I have agreed.

Wanda is obviously affecting our reality as well.

:p

The great thing about this is that all my comments are on record here. Bendis obviously knows more than we do and can't say anything. If I am proven wrong on some of the things I have said, then I will gladly apologise and say "I was wrong".

But unti then.... :p :moon:

not making excuses, but i'm also on my period.

but yeah, i am still very excited about house of m- i like the what if type stories (and yeah yeah, this isnt alternate reality :roll: ) but right now i think DC is upstaging marvel in the crossovers department

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

I was under the impression that it started out a year from "now" and regular DC continuity caught up to it eventually.
See, that's what I didn't understand myself. I didn't think that's how it was, I figured it was perpetually a year from now and nothing would catch up to it. I doubt any other comic will every acknowledge the disappearance/ reappearance of millions of people worldwide. But who knows.

[Olivier E.]

I have seen many people say this online lately.

Is it because I am gay that I didn't see a giant vagina?

(and NO, I didn't think it looked like a giant butt-crack, either)

:p

Maybe that's because Movie Maker got banned he spoiled House of M ;)


I'm going to ask Coipel then...I can't find his board :(

[DrMachine]

I was under the impression that it started out a year from "now" and regular DC continuity caught up to it eventually.


but if you're concerned with continuity not even that makes sense...there wasn't a "now we're caught up" moment in all the other books, or even a mention of those events (I don't think there was a mention of the superman events but I don't buy every single DC book)

[adamgreenberger]

Overall I really enjoyed the book...a great way to start off this massive crossover. I really liked...




The coversation with Quicksilver and Magneto. You could really tell the conflict brewing inside Magneto.


I can't wait for issue #2.

[adamgreenberger]

but if you're concerned with continuity not even that makes sense...there wasn't a "now we're caught up" moment in all the other books, or even a mention of those events (I don't think there was a mention of the superman events but I don't buy every single DC book)

Think of it this way...the book didn't take place over the full year that Azz/Lee were on the book. Let's say that the 12 issue arc only covered a few weeks or months. It might be easier to stomach the inclision of OMAC and the new fortess in the other books.

But I agree that there should have been some mention of the events in other books. Since DC is trying to create a cohesive universe.

[DrMachine]

Think of it this way...the book didn't take place over the full year that Azz/Lee were on the book. Let's say that the 12 issue arc only covered a few weeks or months. It might be easier to stomach the inclision of OMAC and the new fortess in the other books.

But I agree that there should have been some mention of the events in other books. Since DC is trying to create a cohesive universe.

I don't actually have a problem with ANY continuity, I was just making a point...

while I'm at it the events in JLA don't mesh with the events of Green Lantern:Rebirth...

:lol:

[adamgreenberger]

I don't actually have a problem with ANY continuity, I was just making a point...

while I'm at it the events in JLA don't mesh with the events of Green Lantern:Rebirth...

:lol:

I look at continuity like this...the better these companies have the better...but sometimes things fall thru the cracks. Rebirth was a great story...but it might have been hard for Busick to tie in his JLA arc with it, without compromising his story. I can look past that stuff...but it was hard to look past Asgard being over New York in Thor, but not in FF, Avengers, Spidey...etc.

[DrMachine]

nevermind

[Constant Reader]

My thing is, I don't care if a run in a regular series takes place outside of regular continuity. Then, events not matching up from book to book doesn't matter. But, if the whole point of things like "Secret Wars" and "House of M" is to make dramatic changes/bring cohesiveness to a universe, it becomes a problem when they appear out of order.

Somebody higher up in the thread made a comment to the effect of "in a year it will all make sense." Well, that's fine, but if these are designed to be read on a monthly basis, that argument doesn't work. A series like Stephen King's "Dark Tower" books spread out over years, but you got each installment in order, and didn't have to read Part 5, then Part 4 a year later for everything to make sense.

I like the idea of a cohesive universe. But not when it's as jumbled a mess as all of this has been lately.

CR

[DrMachine]

My thing is, I don't care if a run in a regular series takes place outside of regular continuity. Then, events not matching up from book to book doesn't matter. But, if the whole point of things like "Secret Wars" and "House of M" is to make dramatic changes/bring cohesiveness to a universe, it becomes a problem when they appear out of order.

Somebody higher up in the thread made a comment to the effect of "in a year it will all make sense." Well, that's fine, but if these are designed to be read on a monthly basis, that argument doesn't work. A series like Stephen King's "Dark Tower" books spread out over years, but you got each installment in order, and didn't have to read Part 5, then Part 4 a year later for everything to make sense.

I like the idea of a cohesive universe. But not when it's as jumbled a mess as all of this has been lately.

CR

they are meant to be read monthly...that's why they are released monthly...BUT if you buy them monthly and STILL buy a big crossover that obviously isn't going to resolve a core storlyine...you have noone to blame but yourself

[NickT]

how long is all this supposed to go on for? when is issue 8 scheduled to ship?
Two a month, so September I guess.

[NickT]

Isn't Cap dealing with 'the winter soldier'?

Why the hell would the Winter Soldier fit into this? Do we have to confuse people not reading Cap by forcing Cap down their throats?


yeah, but that is my point.

We KNOW it fits in somewhere, but since some of those stories aren't even finished being told yet, we have to 'fill in the blanks' with our own theories.

For Example:

SPOILERS FOR ASTONISHING X-MEN #10

in the latest Astonishing X-Men, Peter and Kitty got impaled after battling the danger room robot and the x=men were lying broken and beaten at the issues end. Big Cliff-hanger. BUT, with House of M #1, it appears that everyone is A-OK.
You're right, Marvel should delay their big summer event because of Astonishing. Forget the fact that nothing has been spoilt (THE ASTONISHING AND NEW AVENGERS TEAMS EXIST! :shock: ), some people might get their panties in a twist because they get confused when a book takes place a bit before another one.


Sorry if I sound sarcastic, but to me this is such a non-issue.

[Shwicaz]

Why the hell would the Winter Soldier fit into this? Do we have to confuse people not reading Cap by forcing Cap down their throats?


You're right, Marvel should delay their big summer event because of Astonishing. Forget the fact that nothing has been spoilt (THE ASTONISHING AND NEW AVENGERS TEAMS EXIST! :shock: ), some people might get their panties in a twist because they get confused when a book takes place a bit before another one.


Sorry if I sound sarcastic, but to me this is such a non-issue.

but to me, it is.

I love people who say 'its a non issue' after a long sarcastic post that shows it apparently is.

;)

[Shwicaz]

Hey, to be fair, I actually liked stuff about the issue:

* Magneto/Pietro talk was an excellent character moment for these two who have always sort of been at odds with each other. The scene where

Pietro is down on his knees in front of his father with tears streaming down his face was very moving.

*The Opening Sequence was very emotional. Wanda's emotion at what she did, as well as Xavier "put it back" was sort of heart wrenching.

I really liked those scenes.

[artimoff]

I've skimmed 19 pages of posts & didn't see anything reguarding Professor X telling Wanda that She can't have children. Why can't she have children? Has anything happened to her so that she can't carry a child? Last I knew she used her hex power to change the probability of the Vision (her husband at the time) actually making sperm. Him being a robot & all. She should just bone Nightcrawler & make T.J. from the exiles.

[DrMachine]

I've skimmed 19 pages of posts & didn't see anything reguarding Professor X telling Wanda that She can't have children. Why can't she have children? Has anything happened to her so that she can't carry a child? Last I knew she used her hex power to change the probability of the Vision (her husband at the time) actually making sperm. Him being a robot & all. She should just bone Nightcrawler & make T.J. from the exiles.

to me what you just described is more of a continuity error than anything else mentioned so far...BUT things like that can be resolved very easily

[Cth]

to me what you just described is more of a continuity error than anything else mentioned so far...BUT things like that can be resolved very easily

Within the confines of the story, it makes sense from a thematic point of view.

Which is more of the old-style Jemas approach to continuity..

The "birthing" is meant to (speculation here) parallel Wanda's later "birthing" of the new status quo. At least, that's what I get out of it, from all the people who say the glowing thing resembles pink parts and what not.

When she's confronted with her altering of reality again, you'll likely see a similar breakdown we got in the beginning, only ten times worse. Maybe even ending in a catatonic coma (if things turn out like I hope)

[Shwicaz]

yeah i started a thread too about astonishing continuity that got merged with this.


...and yet Gail Simone's thread isn't merged with this one.

Hmm...

:p ;)

[DrMachine]

Within the confines of the story, it makes sense from a thematic point of view.

Which is more of the old-style Jemas approach to continuity..

The "birthing" is meant to (speculation here) parallel Wanda's later "birthing" of the new status quo. At least, that's what I get out of it, from all the people who say the glowing thing resembles pink parts and what not.

When she's confronted with her altering of reality again, you'll likely see a similar breakdown we got in the beginning, only ten times worse. Maybe even ending in a catatonic coma (if things turn out like I hope)

I definitely get all that...I don't get how differences in time is a continuity error, or how unresolved storylines in other books are continuity errors

the statement about the kids, I felt was more a continuity error, but not enough to bother me and certainly something that can be easily explained

[Smokinblues]

...and yet Gail Simone's thread isn't merged with this one.

Hmm...

:p ;)

that's cuz Gail could kick BMB's ass. He's afraid.

[thecheat1]

I think when Professor X said "you can't have children" to Wanda, he was referring to the fact that:
a. she could have children with Vision because he's dead (kinda)
b. she never had children with him the past
c. she can't alter reality to have children because it will destory everything else

I don't think it had anything to do with her being infertile or something.

[Wagon]

what would freud say? :)

that it's a cigar?

man, everything really DOES come back to Clinton in the end, doesn't it?

[artimoff]

I think when Professor X said "you can't have children" to Wanda, he was referring to the fact that:
a. she could have children with Vision because he's dead (kinda)
b. she never had children with him the past
c. she can't alter reality to have children because it will destory everything else

I don't think it had anything to do with her being infertile or something.


I hope so.

[The Human Target]

Why the hell would the Winter Soldier fit into this? Do we have to confuse people not reading Cap by forcing Cap down their throats?


You're right, Marvel should delay their big summer event because of Astonishing. Forget the fact that nothing has been spoilt (THE ASTONISHING AND NEW AVENGERS TEAMS EXIST! :shock: ), some people might get their panties in a twist because they get confused when a book takes place a bit before another one.


Sorry if I sound sarcastic, but to me this is such a non-issue.

Marvel could cut off your head and shit in the wound and you'd still go to bat for them regardless what shit they pull. :D

[PeterSparker]

Glad to see some taking issue with the 'DC is doing this so much better' mantra. I agree they're in the process of a longer, more thought out universe wide storyline. As oppossed to HoM coming out of Disassembled after it was written. But as already mentioned not everything there is neatly tying together, and honestly I'm not exactly sure the qaulity is quite there either. They may have their act together, doesn't meant every issue delivers though. I've been kind of underwhelmed by a few of the Countdown minis currently going on honestly. I also don't read that many DC books, and its not making me want to seek out every ingredient I may be missing in some titles. There are 3 Superman books, and 4 Batman books, they don't all seem to be seemless at all from what I've seen. When they've done it well, issues 21-23 of Teen Titans for example, its been outstanding to see these elements carry from book to book, and see consequences unfolding that way. I've really liked a few of those moments. I'm also sure the ultimate CRISIS payoff will be interesting and dramatic, but I'm just not buying that DC is so superior at this stage. Again, mainly because I don't feel its hitting on all cylinders story wise in every single title. Some have been excellent, some blah.

I look forward to more HoM, including the Spidey and especially FF HoM minis. (really looking forward to see how the FF get wrapped up in this) And to see how the Sentry will finally work his way into all of this too is exciting. It may have been a little late in the making, but the potential is there for something great. Thats good enough for me at this stage.

I guess my point is, the jury is still out on which is doing a better job IMO. If some of these DC stories continue to fall flat, I won't care how well they planned it out.

[NickT]

Marvel could cut off your head and shit in the wound and you'd still go to bat for them regardless what shit they pull. :D
Or to be more precise, DC could do this exact same thing and I'd defend them just the same.

[TIP]

It'll be real fun when all of these tales are over and we'll be able to see which plays out 'better'

Until then, it's also fun seeing all of this debate.

S'pose I should get around to reading HOM 1 soonish.

T
:smile:

[The Human Target]

Or to be more precise, DC could do this exact same thing and I'd defend them just the same.

Mainstream whore. ;)



I wash my hands of HoM and Countdown.

[Jonny Z]

Why the hell would the Winter Soldier fit into this? Do we have to confuse people not reading Cap by forcing Cap down their throats?

Yeah its not like they killed off magneto and then brought him back in a comic nobody likes and very few read.


You're right, Marvel should delay their big summer event because of Astonishing. Forget the fact that nothing has been spoilt (THE ASTONISHING AND NEW AVENGERS TEAMS EXIST! :shock: ), some people might get their panties in a twist because they get confused when a book takes place a bit before another one.


Sorry if I sound sarcastic, but to me this is such a non-issue.

or maybe marvel can push their people harder to get books out on time :roll:

[NickT]

Yeah its not like they killed off magneto and then brought him back in a comic nobody likes and very few read.
The difference being that is important in reguards to this story, while the Winter Soldier isn't. Further more Magneto appeared in Dissasembled, a comic very many read.



or maybe marvel can push their people harder to get books out on time :roll:
Or maybe the point I put across is correct, that it doesn't matter.

[Jonny Z]

The difference being that is important in reguards to this story, while the Winter Soldier isn't. Further more Magneto appeared in Dissasembled, a comic very many read.

which confused many a reader, and still hasnt been fully explained. (or does "read it again knowing what you know about wanda" apply to that now?)




Or maybe the point I put across is correct, that it doesn't matter.

meh, its that kind of thinking that allows creators to be months or even years late on their books.

[Shannon Chenoweth]

Just read it, fucking wow on the ending...
I'll post more later when my damn headache goes away.

RC

[Jonny Z]

edit: never mind.

so is howard the duck gonna make an appearance in House of M?

[Jerome Gibbons]

Hmmm. Well, let's see. I haven't read House of M, Millar's Wolvie run and the second half of Whedon's run on Astonishing, but I just thought, 'what the hey, wouldn't it be fun to come up with a timeline for all these loose events that appear to be connected in the grand scheme of things?'. So, keeping the fact that I haven't read many of these stories in mind, let's see if I can make heads or tails out of this mess.

Okay, so I think, based on what I've read so far, that a more or less cohesive timeline of the events that've happened in the MU in the past year or so would look a bit like this:

-"Planet X" takes place, Fake Magneto destroys NYC and gets killed by Wolverine
-Xavier leaves to rebuild Genosha, where he meets with the REAL Magneto, who's been hiding there for months
-"Avengers Disassembled" occurs, Magneto leaves for NYC and takes his daughter to Genosha with him
-Three months go by, the Avengers disband
-Four or five months go by, the first (and probably second) arc(s) in Brubaker's Captain America occurs (based on Bru's comments)
-New Avengers #1-10 (at least until #10), Amazing Spider-Man #519-524 (wherein Spider-Man moves into Stark Tower), Spider-Man #13-24 (assuming all the issues take place a short time after another and that, by #13, Peter has just moved into the Tower) all occur, Cap founds the New Avengers, Wolverine joins, the Sentry deals with his issues (Sentry arc in New Avengers, #7-10) and joins the Avengers (I'm assuming he joins in #10).

-House of M takes place

Okay, so we're still not sure where Millar's Wolvie run and Whedon's arc in Astonishing X-Men take place. Heck, I'm not even sure if Millar's run has anything to do with Logan joining the Avengers, or anything related to House of M, so I'll just forget about it for now, to make things easier. Whedon's Astonishing arc probably begins right after Xavier leaves for Genosha, and ends somewhere before House of M begins. To infer this, we would need to know what happens in Astonishing X-Men #10-12, I guess. The issues where Xavier appears.

Well, there you have it. My lame attempt at a House of M timeline. Here's hoping it's mostly correct, and it can clear up some doubts and questions some may have about what's going on. Oh, and by the way, the reason why I said that no more issues beyond #10 of New Avengers take place before House of M is because Bendis has already said a few times that the issues inmediately following the Sentry arc will deal with the new and mysterious Ronin character, who didn't seem to be a part of the Avengers line-up in House of M #1. Of course, this is mere speculation. Perhaps Ronin overslept or something and wasn't able to make it to the meeting with the X-Men in #1.

EDIT: Hmmm. Just to be on the safe side, I think I'll probably mark this as spoiler.

[Jonny Z]

Hmmm. Well, let's see. I haven't read House of M, Millar's Wolvie run and the second half of Whedon's run on Astonishing, but I just thought, 'what the hey, wouldn't it be fun to come up with a timeline for all these loose events that appear to be connected in the grand scheme of things?'. So, keeping the fact that I haven't read many of these stories in mind, let's see if I can make heads or tails out of this mess.

Okay, so I think, based on what I've read so far, that a more or less cohesive timeline of the events that've happened in the MU in the past year or so would look a bit like this:

-"Planet X" takes place, Fake Magneto destroys NYC and gets killed by Wolverine
-Xavier leaves to rebuild Genosha, where he meets with the REAL Magneto, who's been hiding there for months
-"Avengers Disassembled" occurs, Magneto leaves for NYC and takes his daughter to Genosha with him
-Three months go by, the Avengers disband
-Four or five months go by, the first (and probably second) arc(s) in Brubaker's Captain America occurs (based on Bru's comments)
-New Avengers #1-10 (at least until #10), Amazing Spider-Man #519-524 (wherein Spider-Man moves into Stark Tower), Spider-Man #13-24 (assuming all the issues take place a short time after another and that, by #13, Peter has just moved into the Tower) all occur, Cap founds the New Avengers, Wolverine joins, the Sentry deals with his issues (Sentry arc in New Avengers, #7-10) and joins the Avengers (I'm assuming he joins in #10).

-House of M takes place

Okay, so we're still not sure where Millar's Wolvie run and Whedon's arc in Astonishing X-Men take place. Heck, I'm not even sure if Millar's run has anything to do with Logan joining the Avengers, or anything related to House of M, so I'll just forget about it for now, to make things easier. Whedon's Astonishing arc probably begins right after Xavier leaves for Genosha, and ends somewhere before House of M begins. To infer this, we would need to know what happens in Astonishing X-Men #10-12, I guess. The issues where Xavier appears.

Well, there you have it. My lame attempt at a House of M timeline. Here's hoping it's mostly correct, and it can clear up some doubts and questions some may have about what's going on. Oh, and by the way, the reason why I said that no more issues beyond #10 of New Avengers take place before House of M is because Bendis has already said a few times that the issues inmediately following the Sentry arc will deal with the new and mysterious Ronin character, who didn't seem to be a part of the Avengers line-up in House of M #1. Of course, this is mere speculation. Perhaps Ronin overslept or something and wasn't able to make it to the meeting with the X-Men in #1.

EDIT: Hmmm. Just to be on the safe side, I think I'll probably mark this as spoiler.

i'm being very very critical of marvel here, but only to play devil's advocate-

do you think the messed up timeline has anything to do with the myth of writing for trades? do you guys think that maybe decompression is leading to dragged out stories that convolute the timelines and never allow titles to be synched up?

[SimiBoyz]

i'm being very very critical of marvel here, but only to play devil's advocate-

do you think the messed up timeline has anything to do with the myth of writing for trades? do you guys think that maybe decompression is leading to dragged out stories that convolute the timelines and never allow titles to be synched up?

I don't know, but it's been like this since I started reading comics. Comparison to before then, I cannot do. It's taken more prominence now than before.

[Len Ford]

Hmmm. Well, let's see. I haven't read House of M, Millar's Wolvie run and the second half of Whedon's run on Astonishing, but I just thought, 'what the hey, wouldn't it be fun to come up with a timeline for all these loose events that appear to be connected in the grand scheme of things?'. So, keeping the fact that I haven't read many of these stories in mind, let's see if I can make heads or tails out of this mess.

Okay, so I think, based on what I've read so far, that a more or less cohesive timeline of the events that've happened in the MU in the past year or so would look a bit like this:

-"Planet X" takes place, Fake Magneto destroys NYC and gets killed by Wolverine
-Xavier leaves to rebuild Genosha, where he meets with the REAL Magneto, who's been hiding there for months
-"Avengers Disassembled" occurs, Magneto leaves for NYC and takes his daughter to Genosha with him
-Three months go by, the Avengers disband
-Four or five months go by, the first (and probably second) arc(s) in Brubaker's Captain America occurs (based on Bru's comments)
-New Avengers #1-10 (at least until #10), Amazing Spider-Man #519-524 (wherein Spider-Man moves into Stark Tower), Spider-Man #13-24 (assuming all the issues take place a short time after another and that, by #13, Peter has just moved into the Tower) all occur, Cap founds the New Avengers, Wolverine joins, the Sentry deals with his issues (Sentry arc in New Avengers, #7-10) and joins the Avengers (I'm assuming he joins in #10).

-House of M takes place

Okay, so we're still not sure where Millar's Wolvie run and Whedon's arc in Astonishing X-Men take place. Heck, I'm not even sure if Millar's run has anything to do with Logan joining the Avengers, or anything related to House of M, so I'll just forget about it for now, to make things easier. Whedon's Astonishing arc probably begins right after Xavier leaves for Genosha, and ends somewhere before House of M begins. To infer this, we would need to know what happens in Astonishing X-Men #10-12, I guess. The issues where Xavier appears.

Well, there you have it. My lame attempt at a House of M timeline. Here's hoping it's mostly correct, and it can clear up some doubts and questions some may have about what's going on. Oh, and by the way, the reason why I said that no more issues beyond #10 of New Avengers take place before House of M is because Bendis has already said a few times that the issues inmediately following the Sentry arc will deal with the new and mysterious Ronin character, who didn't seem to be a part of the Avengers line-up in House of M #1. Of course, this is mere speculation. Perhaps Ronin overslept or something and wasn't able to make it to the meeting with the X-Men in #1.

EDIT: Hmmm. Just to be on the safe side, I think I'll probably mark this as spoiler.

I think that Millar's Wolverine and Astonishing Take place after Disassembled but before New Avengers... I'm pretty sure it's been said that the end of Millar's run on Wolverine sets up his becoming an Avenger. (my guess is to atone for all the death and destruction that he caused during the Enemy of the State arc.

[Jonny Z]

I think that Millar's Wolverine and Astonishing Take place after Disassembled but before New Avengers... I'm pretty sure it's been said that the end of Millar's run on Wolverine sets up his becoming an Avenger. (my guess is to atone for all the death and destruction that he caused during the Enemy of the State arc.

right now he's in the new avengers cuz he accidentally bumped into them in the savage land :p

[Jerome Gibbons]

right now he's in the new avengers cuz he accidentally bumped into them in the savage land :p

Exactly. That's why I'm still not sure how Millar's run fits into the whole scheme of things in relation to New Avengers. We'll have to wait and see until both arcs are over, and hope to God that Millar and Bendis talked to each other in order to work all this out, inbetween conversations about nekkid Joe Quesada and paper cuts.

[Len Ford]

right now he's in the new avengers cuz he accidentally bumped into them in the savage land :p

Yeah, he bumped into them in the Savage Land... after Millar's arc... He hasn't joined the team yet but I'm guessing when he does, part of his motivation will be to make up for what he did in Enemy of the State. (in a more public way then he would if he was an X-Man)

[Len Ford]

Exactly. That's why I'm still not sure how Millar's run fits into the whole scheme of things in relation to New Avengers. We'll have to wait and see until both arcs are over, and hope to God that Millar and Bendis talked to each other in order to work all this out, inbetween conversations about nekkid Joe Quesada and paper cuts.

I think that I read somewhere that Millar and Bendis had talked about Wolverine joining the Avengers and that they purposely have Millar's Wolverine run leading up to him joining the New Avengers. I just don't remember where I read this...

[Kefky]

I think that I read somewhere that Millar and Bendis had talked about Wolverine joining the Avengers and that they purposely have Millar's Wolverine run leading up to him joining the New Avengers. I just don't remember where I read this...

Yes, Millar said in his forum that everything gets explained in NA 8. So NA is after Enemy of the State.

Also, I'm pretty sure Bendis said HoM ties in with Astonishing, as in the person that Emma is secretly talking is also the culprit of THIS mess... So both should be afterwards.

[Criden]

Yes, Millar said in his forum that everything gets explained in NA 8. So NA is after Enemy of the State.

Also, I'm pretty sure Bendis said HoM ties in with Astonishing, as in the person that Emma is secretly talking is also the culprit of THIS mess... So both should be afterwards.

maybe it ties into astonishing in a different way. maybe he just meant he was using whedon's team...we'll see.

[marvelboi77]

On Marvel.com it has issue #2 coming out June 22nd, so this title is already started to be late and it just got started. I really enjoy the comics but since Spider-Woman is my favorite character it's really frustrating that I look forward to New Avengers so much that one week or two weeks I guess I could stand being late but this is killing me. Same with house of M, I know Spider-Woman is in it and I was looking forward to it on June15 and now it's the 22nd.

[NickT]

On Marvel.com it has issue #2 coming out June 22nd, so this title is already started to be late and it just got started.
It was solicited as the 22nd.


http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=32765

FINAL ORDER CUT-OFF 6/2, (ON-SALE 6/22/05)
Arana #6
Black Panther #5
Captain America #8
Fantastic Four #528
Fantastic Four: Foes #6
House Of M #2
Last Hero Standing #4
Machine Teen #2
New Avengers #8
New X-Men #15
Nightcrawler #7
Spellbinders #4
Spider-Man: House Of M #1
Supreme Power #17
Ultimate X-Men #60
Wolverine: Soultaker #5
X-Men #172

[twigglet]

I really really enjoyed this issue, unlike a lot of poeplle here, Im quite pumped for HOM.

Also why are people complaining if they read the previews, if you wanted to read HOM #1 without feeling like you've read most of it before, you shouldn't of red the previews.

Art: 8/10
Story 7.5/10

[wh park]

So read HOM #1 yesterday and quite enjoyed it.

I really liked all the character moments as Bendis seemed to "get it" in the scene with Cap and Wolverine (I want to see more of these in New Avengers).

Can't wait for the rest of the series.

[emin]

Hmmm. Well, let's see. I haven't read House of M, Millar's Wolvie run and the second half of Whedon's run on Astonishing, but I just thought, 'what the hey, wouldn't it be fun to come up with a timeline for all these loose events that appear to be connected in the grand scheme of things?'. So, keeping the fact that I haven't read many of these stories in mind, let's see if I can make heads or tails out of this mess.

Okay, so I think, based on what I've read so far, that a more or less cohesive timeline of the events that've happened in the MU in the past year or so would look a bit like this:

-"Planet X" takes place, Fake Magneto destroys NYC and gets killed by Wolverine
-Xavier leaves to rebuild Genosha, where he meets with the REAL Magneto, who's been hiding there for months
-"Avengers Disassembled" occurs, Magneto leaves for NYC and takes his daughter to Genosha with him
-Three months go by, the Avengers disband
-Four or five months go by, the first (and probably second) arc(s) in Brubaker's Captain America occurs (based on Bru's comments)
-New Avengers #1-10 (at least until #10), Amazing Spider-Man #519-524 (wherein Spider-Man moves into Stark Tower), Spider-Man #13-24 (assuming all the issues take place a short time after another and that, by #13, Peter has just moved into the Tower) all occur, Cap founds the New Avengers, Wolverine joins, the Sentry deals with his issues (Sentry arc in New Avengers, #7-10) and joins the Avengers (I'm assuming he joins in #10).

-House of M takes place

Okay, so we're still not sure where Millar's Wolvie run and Whedon's arc in Astonishing X-Men take place. Heck, I'm not even sure if Millar's run has anything to do with Logan joining the Avengers, or anything related to House of M, so I'll just forget about it for now, to make things easier. Whedon's Astonishing arc probably begins right after Xavier leaves for Genosha, and ends somewhere before House of M begins. To infer this, we would need to know what happens in Astonishing X-Men #10-12, I guess. The issues where Xavier appears.

Well, there you have it. My lame attempt at a House of M timeline. Here's hoping it's mostly correct, and it can clear up some doubts and questions some may have about what's going on. Oh, and by the way, the reason why I said that no more issues beyond #10 of New Avengers take place before House of M is because Bendis has already said a few times that the issues inmediately following the Sentry arc will deal with the new and mysterious Ronin character, who didn't seem to be a part of the Avengers line-up in House of M #1. Of course, this is mere speculation. Perhaps Ronin overslept or something and wasn't able to make it to the meeting with the X-Men in #1.

EDIT: Hmmm. Just to be on the safe side, I think I'll probably mark this as spoiler.


I think it's safe to say that

The events of AXM and Wolverine take place before this issue

Everything else seems like it lines up the way you said.

Loved the issue can't wait to see whats really going to happen in the next 7 issues and then beyond after the series is done.

For the people that are having a hard time wrapping their heads around the continuity problems I can't believe it is decreasing your enjoyment of the issue and maybe the series that much. I just chalked it up to events in those books haven't played out yet like in the old days of Marvel. The only thing that is missing is the editors notes to read blah, blah, blah, issue # next month or whatever.

The only complaint I have is with the art. Some of the characters looked a little cross eyed from time to time.

[simon trent]

i don't know, i kind of liked how wolverine was just ready to kill her. it would seem like it would make the most sense. i mean, she did end up disappering at the end of the issue. i don't know about the gwen part though, if that is her at the end. it just seems like it's been done too much lately. i'm not going into the next issue expecting anything, i'm just going to see where bendis takes the story.

just wondering, what tie ins is everyone looking forward to, or not looking forward to? and which ones are actually worth picking up?

[Shwicaz]

I will read the tie-ins to books I currently read now (Pulse, Captain America). I did all of the 'disassembled' things and only found THOR enjoyable, so this time I am going to 'stick with what I read', since Bendis has said the tie-ins are not necessary to follow the main series, but 'expand upon' the themes from the main mini.

[joeAR]

I will read the tie-ins to books I currently read now (Pulse, Captain America). I did all of the 'disassembled' things and only found THOR enjoyable, so this time I am going to 'stick with what I read', since Bendis has said the tie-ins are not necessary to follow the main series, but 'expand upon' the themes from the main mini.


Kinda like with Identity Crisis. The effects of that book were felt in some other books.

[NickT]

DEFINATELY GETTING
House of M 1-8
Mutopia X 1-4
Secrets of the House of M
The Pulse: House of M Special Edition
Captain America 10
New Thunderbolts 11
The Pulse 10
Cable & Deadpool 17

MAYBE GETTING
Spider-Man: House of M 1-5
Fantastic Four: House of M 1-3
Iron Man: House of M 1-3
Uncanny X-Men 462-465
Wolverine 33-35

NOT GETTING
Incredible Hulk 83-86
New X-Men 16-19
Exiles 69-71
Excalibur 13-14
Black Panther 7

[Jerome Gibbons]

I'm actually not looking forward to any tie-ins...

Mainly because I know the tie-ins will deal with the new remaked reality, an aspect of House of M I'm not very excited about.

When I first heard about House, I was hoping that it would be a little more in the lines of minis like Identity Crisis. No uber-cosmic stuff or anything of the sort, just a deep personal tale about how the X-Men and the Avengers deal with what's happened to the Scarlet Witch, wrapped in some uber-cosmic stuff to make it more interesting (in this case, Wanda's power to alter reality, and in Identity Crisis, the magic lobotomy and brainwashing thing). I think it just would've been so much more interesting that way. Oh well.

Hey, you know, I kind of wonder...what will the Sentry's role be in this new reality Wanda will be giving birth to? He was the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe, while now he seems to be more of a quiet fellow. Almost a superhero pariah of sorts. I'm actually kind of surprised Marvel didn't release a Sentry: House of M mini, now that I think about it...

[Blake Sims]

DEFINATELY GETTING
House of M 1-8
Mutopia X 1-4
Secrets of the House of M
The Pulse: House of M Special Edition
Captain America 10
New Thunderbolts 11
The Pulse 10
Cable & Deadpool 17

MAYBE GETTING
Spider-Man: House of M 1-5
Fantastic Four: House of M 1-3
Iron Man: House of M 1-3
Uncanny X-Men 462-465
Wolverine 33-35

NOT GETTING
Incredible Hulk 83-86
New X-Men 16-19
Exiles 69-71
Excalibur 13-14
Black Panther 7

Im thinking about getting these:
Secrets of the House of M
The Pulse: House of M Special Edition
Captain America 10
The Pulse 10
Spider-Man: House of M 1-5
Fantastic Four: House of M 1-3
Iron Man: House of M 1-3
Exiles 69-71

I wont for sure be getting:
Mutopia X 1-4
New Thunderbolts 11
Cable & Deadpool 17
Uncanny X-Men 462-465
Wolverine 33-35
Incredible Hulk 83-86
New X-Men 16-19
Excalibur 13-14
Black Panther 7

[Jasmine]

Already read the Pulse so I'll get issue 10 no matter what. Other than that I will pick up The Pulse: House of M Special Edition, Spider-Man House of M, and Secrets of the House of M.

[Taxman]

I never read any X books, but I take it that The White Queen is now the leader of the X-Men. Is anyone willing to give a brief recap on how this came about.

[Jerome Gibbons]

I never read any X books, but I take it that The White Queen is now the leader of the X-Men. Is anyone willing to give a brief recap on how this came about.

She and Cyclops are headmasters at the school now (since Professor X is in Genosha). Cyclops is still team leader, but since Emma sleeps with him, she probably gets to boss around some X-Men here and there without a lot of people batting an eye. :p

[Shwicaz]

Also, Emma was former headmistress for Generation X, as well as the original Hellions, iirc, so she is used to taking charge.

[marvelboi77]

[QUOTE=NickT]It was solicited as the 22nd.


Ok thanks for clearing that up for me. I still don't know why it's called bi-weekly then.

[Taxman]

She and Cyclops are headmasters at the school now (since Professor X is in Genosha). Cyclops is still team leader, but since Emma sleeps with him, she probably gets to boss around some X-Men here and there without a lot of people batting an eye. :p

So, what happened to the Scott Jean thingy? Was their marriage in an alternate reality or something?

[Olivier E.]

She and Cyclops are headmasters at the school now (since Professor X is in Genosha). Cyclops is still team leader, but since Emma sleeps with him, she probably gets to boss around some X-Men here and there without a lot of people batting an eye. :p

Emma is too team leader or not of Milligan's X-Men

[DigiEmissary]

So, what happened to the Scott Jean thingy? Was their marriage in an alternate reality or something?

No, Jean's dead.

How long that will last, who knows, but it's basically the only part of Morrison's run that hasn't been shat on yet.

[Jerome Gibbons]

So, what happened to the Scott Jean thingy? Was their marriage in an alternate reality or something?

Uh...

Well...she's dead...again. That guy pretending to be Magneto killed her in New X-Men #150, right before getting his head chopped off by Wolverine. I hear she's back yet again, though, in Greg Pak's Endsong mini-series.


Emma is too team leader or not of Milligan's X-Men

Dunno, I don't read X-Men. I thought Havok was in charge of that team though, was he not?

[Olivier E.]

Dunno, I don't read X-Men. I thought Havok was in charge of that team though, was he not?

He was in charge during Austen's X-Men run, but now Emma joined the roster and they do what she says

[Jerome Gibbons]

He was in charge during Austen's X-Men run, but now Emma joined the roster and they do what she says

Blah.

[Los]

yeah, but that is my point.

We KNOW it fits in somewhere, but since some of those stories aren't even finished being told yet, we have to 'fill in the blanks' with our own theories.

For Example:

SPOILERS FOR ASTONISHING X-MEN #10


in the latest Astonishing X-Men, Peter and Kitty got impaled after battling the danger room robot and the x=men were lying broken and beaten at the issues end. Big Cliff-hanger. BUT, with House of M #1, it appears that everyone is A-OK.






I only bring this up because it's been metioned more than once in this thread.
This is my thought on what happened...but might be considered a spoiler for AStonishing.

Wasn't this was just a simulation run by Cerebra/o. That's what it fealt like to me.

[Olivier E.]

I only bring this up because it's been metioned more than once in this thread.
This is my thought on what happened...but might be considered a spoiler for AStonishing.

Wasn't this was just a simulation run by Cerebra/o. That's what it fealt like to me.

I thought the same,

[Corwin: Bear Fighter]

This was actually really boring to read. I swear there's a growing trend of uninteresting first issues as of late.

[SimiBoyz]

No, Jean's dead.

How long that will last, who knows, but it's basically the only part of Morrison's run that hasn't been shat on yet.

There's still time.

There's still time.

[Taxman]

Uh...

Well...she's dead...again. That guy pretending to be Magneto killed her in New X-Men #150, right before getting his head chopped off by Wolverine. I hear she's back yet again, though, in Greg Pak's Endsong mini-series.

Thanks, I think that you guys have convinced me not to start reading X-Men.

[Jerome Gibbons]

Thanks, I think that you guys have convinced me not to start reading X-Men.

Well, for what it's worth, Astonishing X-Men is a pretty good read, even among all the X-crap. Whedon seems to be a natural fit for the X-Men, his love and respect for the characters really show in the book's simplicity and the effectiveness of his writing. He also has a pretty good and dynamic cast of characters to work with (Cyclops, Emma, Kitty Pride, Beast, Logan and Collossus) and a fantastic artist that illustrates his scripts in a most spectacular way. All these elements combine to make Astonishing a pretty good read. I mean, over 100k readers every month can't be wrong about the book, right? :D It's not just good for an X-book. It's actually a genuinely good and entertaining series.

[Taxman]

I mean, over 100k readers every month can't be wrong about the book, right?


:lol:

[TIP]

This was actually really boring to read. I swear there's a growing trend of uninteresting first issues as of late.

I have to agree. As far as an 'event' comic's first issue this one was uber-anti-climatic. I'll stick it out to see where it goes but, damn, Issue One was very disappointing.

Sorry, fellows.

T
:sad:

[The Human Target]

Thanks, I think that you guys have convinced me not to start reading X-Men.

Read Morrison's New X-Men and then walk away.

[joeAR]

Read Morrison's New X-Men and then walk away.


Astonishing's better :D