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mike black
02-13-2008, 08:54 AM
America laughs.



Internet users could be banned over illegal downloads (http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article3353387.ece)
February 12, 2008
Francis Eliott, Deputy Political Editor

People who illegally download films and music will be cut off from the internet under new legislative proposals to be unveiled next week.

Internet service providers (ISPs) will be legally required to take action against users who access pirated material, The Times has learnt.

Users suspected of wrongly downloading films or music will receive a warning e-mail for the first offence, a suspension for the second infringement and the termination of their internet contract if caught a third time, under the most likely option to emerge from discussions about the new law.

Broadband companies who fail to enforce the “three-strikes” regime would be prosecuted and suspected customers’ details could be made available to the courts. The Government has yet to decide if information on offenders should be shared between ISPs.

Six million broadband users are estimated to download files illegally every year in this country in a practice that music and film companies claim is costing them billions of pounds in lost revenue annually.

Britain’s four biggest internet providers – BT, Tiscali, Orange and Virgin Media – have been in talks with Hollywood’s biggest studio and distribution companies for six months over a voluntary scheme.

Parallel negotiations between Britain’s music industry and individual internet providers have been dragging on for two years.

Major sticking points include who will arbitrate disputed allegations, for example when customers claim to have been the victim of “wi-fi piggybacking”, in which users link up to a paid-for wireless network that is not their own. Another outstanding disagreement is how many enforcements the internet companies will be expected to initiate and how quickly warning e-mails would be sent.

International action in the US and France, which is implementing its own “three-strikes” regime, has increased the pressure on British internet companies and stiffened the Government’s resolve.

Ministers will make an explicit commitment to legislate with the launch next week of a Green Paper on the creative industries. A draft copy, obtained by The Times, states: “We will move to legislate to require internet service providers to take action on illegal file-sharing.” A consultation paper setting out the options is promised within months.

A spokesman for the Internet Service Providers Association said it remained hopeful that agreement over a voluntary agreement could be reached: “Every right-thinking body knows that self-regulation is much the better option in these areas.”

Roz Groome, vice-president of antipiracy for NBC Universal, welcomed the prospect of new laws. “We welcome the signal from Government that it values the health of the creative industries and takes seriously the damage caused by widespread online copyright infringement. We call upon ISPs to take action now. They must play their part in the fight against online piracy and work with rights owners to ensure that ISPs’ customers do not use their services for illegal activity. Piracy stifles innovation and threatens the long term health of our industry.”

Ed Vaizey, the Shadow Arts Minister, said: “David Cameron called on the internet providers to address this issue last summer. The credibility of the Government’s latest threat is undermined by the fact that ministers have spent so many years dithering on whether to legislate.”

The commitment forms part of a Green Paper on the creative industries entitled The World’s Creative Hub to be launched by Andy Burnham, the Culture Secretary, and Gordon Brown next week.

Other high-profile elements include a pledge that children will be entitled to five hours of culture a week overseen by a new youth culture trust. The pledge will give children the right to learn a musical instrument, visit art galleries and museums and even make films.

Other pledges include setting up a new international conference modelled on Davos, entitled the World Creative Economy Forum, and supporting a new £200 million film centre at the South Bank in London. A spokeswoman for the Department for Culture, Media and Sport said: “Early drafts of our creative economy programme document were circulated to stakeholders for comment. The content and proposals for the strategy have been significantly developed since then and a comprehensive plan to bolster the UK’s creative industries will be published shortly. We will not comment on the content of the leaked document.”

Tyeron
02-13-2008, 09:06 AM
WOW.. man
i think this could be mis-used

this article says that "Piracy stifles innovation and threatens the long term health of our industry"

well i suppose if you don't want to innovate you just won't if you can find a good excuse...

there are ways around their policies and their tracking.. they need to know that this sort of thing will just cause the "pirates" to innovate.

Foolish Mortal
02-13-2008, 09:14 AM
:lol: Yes, that will work. :lol:

mike black
02-13-2008, 09:16 AM
:lol: Yes, that will work. :lol:

What is that recording industry? You're not done fucking your customers? Well, what are you going to do next? Fuck with the Telcomm's?! Awesome idea!

ScottishGreenLantern
02-13-2008, 09:19 AM
what if you have a wireless network in your hhouse.

Will i get dis-connected fi 'someone ' uses my connection without my knowledge?

:scared::blah:

Foolish Mortal
02-13-2008, 09:21 AM
what if you have a wireless network in your hhouse.

Will i get dis-connected fi 'someone ' uses my connection without my knowledge?

:scared::blah:
Just one of a million-and-one reasons why this will fail.

ScottishGreenLantern
02-13-2008, 09:22 AM
what if you have a wireless network in your house?

Will i get dis-connected if 'someone' uses my connection without my knowledge?

:scared::blah:

mike black
02-13-2008, 09:24 AM
what if you have a wireless network in your hhouse.

Will i get dis-connected fi 'someone ' uses my connection without my knowledge?

:scared::blah:

If this happened in the US, then yes. Precedent says that if someone uses your wireless network you are responsible for what they do.

Foolish Mortal
02-13-2008, 09:24 AM
what if you have a wireless network in your house?

Will i get dis-connected if 'someone' uses my connection without my knowledge?

:scared::blah:
Yes, this is also one of a million-and-one reasons why this will fail.

Foolish Mortal
02-13-2008, 09:27 AM
If this happened in the US, then yes. Precedent says that if someone uses your wireless network you are responsible for what they do.
Which puts all the onus on the wireless user to prevent people from accessing their wireless connection.

Of course, there's no way those tricky hacker-people could get around that, could they? :lol:

NickT
02-13-2008, 09:32 AM
WOW.. man
i think this could be mis-used

this article says that "Piracy stifles innovation and threatens the long term health of our industry"

well i suppose if you don't want to innovate you just won't if you can find a good excuse...

there are ways around their policies and their tracking.. they need to know that this sort of thing will just cause the "pirates" to innovate.
New methods with the police cause murderers to innovate, doesn't mean that doing it is a bad thing.




Terrible analogy, but I had to post it :)

Talannon
02-13-2008, 09:33 AM
I think Azureus will improve the message stream encryption (http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Message_Stream_Encryption#Protocol_Objectives) protocol soon then ;)

Tyeron
02-13-2008, 09:33 AM
New methods with the police cause murderers to innovate, doesn't mean that doing it is a bad thing.




Terrible analogy, but I had to post it :)

yeah ... i guess that's sort of the same :cool:

NickT
02-13-2008, 09:37 AM
yeah ... i guess that's sort of the same :cool: :lol:




My pondering on this would be how would they know what is illegal? There are legal torrents.

Foolish Mortal
02-13-2008, 09:41 AM
:lol:




My pondering on this would be how would they know what is illegal? There are legal torrents.
Yes, and also people pass around torrents using fake names on them too. How are the "Internet Police" going to know what's what?

NickT
02-13-2008, 09:47 AM
Yes, and also people pass around torrents using fake names on them too. How are the "Internet Police" going to know what's what?
That's different though. My point is that innocent people could get caught up in this, your point is that guilty people might try and get around it :)

Foolish Mortal
02-13-2008, 09:50 AM
That's different though. My point is that innocent people could get caught up in this, your point is that guilty people might try and get around it :)
Yeah but my point is how are they going to know something is illegal or not unless everything is scanned and looked at. I don't see how that would be logistically feasible or legal.

ClintP
02-13-2008, 09:52 AM
WOW.. man
i think this could be mis-used

this article says that "Piracy stifles innovation and threatens the long term health of our industry"

well i suppose if you don't want to innovate you just won't if you can find a good excuse...

there are ways around their policies and their tracking.. they need to know that this sort of thing will just cause the "pirates" to innovate.

Damn. I couldn't agree more. Especially the last line.

NickT
02-13-2008, 09:52 AM
America laughs.
Don't laugh too hard, you might injure yourself and then have to take out a loan to see a doctor :)

mike black
02-13-2008, 09:56 AM
Which puts all the onus on the wireless user to prevent people from accessing their wireless connection.

Of course, there's no way those tricky hacker-people could get around that, could they? :lol:

I believe there's also precedent that says if you can demonstrate that you "secured" the network, and it was hacked into, you are absolved.

mike black
02-13-2008, 09:58 AM
Don't laugh too hard, you might injure yourself and then have to take out a loan to see a doctor :)

It's no one's fault but my own that I don't have health insurance.

ClintP
02-13-2008, 09:58 AM
Don't laugh too hard, you might injure yourself and then have to take out a loan to see a doctor :)

Now that is a good burn.

Ray G.
02-13-2008, 10:06 AM
Ah, the roars of a dying dinosaur...

Silver Surfer's Scrotum
02-13-2008, 10:36 AM
Ah, the roars of a dying dinosaur...

What? The UK? Or the music industry?

Ray G.
02-13-2008, 10:41 AM
What? The UK? Or the music industry?

The recording industry. The internet is going to kill the traditional recording industry, and they don't know how to react, so they're trying to shoot progress in the knees rather than working with it.

Ashwin Pande
02-13-2008, 10:43 AM
The recording industry. The internet is going to kill the traditional recording industry, and they don't know how to react, so they're trying to shoot progress in the knees rather than working with it.

It's not really just music downloading this seems to attack, films too. I agree it's reactionary but this time the RIAA or whatever the British version of it is aren't completely the problem. It's the entire system of distribution of entertainment that's changing and every system of authority is being reactionary instead of adaptive.

Dreaded Anomaly
02-13-2008, 03:01 PM
There must be a way to get rid of the RIAA and MPAA with anti-trust legislation. I have faith in Zombie Theodore Roosevelt.

Glixy
02-13-2008, 03:03 PM
"Yar maties, I want my 'net back. yar."