It's Thursday: New Ann Coulter column.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Ann hates Fred Thompson:

FRED SAWYER AND HUCKABEE FINN
October 10, 2007


Conservatives unhappy with our Republican presidential candidates seem to be drifting aimlessly toward Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee in the misguided belief that these candidates are more conservative than Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney. This is like breaking up with Bobby Brown so you can date Phil Spector.

On illegal immigration, Huckabee makes George Bush sound like Tom Tancredo. He has compared illegal aliens to slaves brought here in chains from Africa, saying, "I think frankly the Lord is giving us a second chance to do better than we did before."

Toward that end, when an Arkansas legislator introduced a bill that would prevent illegal aliens from voting and receiving state benefits, Huckabee denounced the bill, saying it would rile up "those who are racist and bigots."

He also made the insane point that companies like Toyota would not invest in Arkansas if the state didn't allow non-citizens to vote because it would "send the message that, essentially, 'If you don't look like us, talk like us and speak like us, we don't want you.'"

Like all the (other) Democratic candidates for president, he supports a federal law to ban smoking -- unless you're an illegal alien smoking at a Toyota plant. (I just realized why Mike Huckabee can't run for president as a Democrat -- they've already got Mike Gravel.)

Huckabee also joined with impeached president Bill Clinton in a campaign against childhood obesity. What, O.J. wasn't available?

Bill and Mike's excellent adventure lasted about one week in May 2005 -- or just long enough to burnish the image of the president who committed perjury and obstruction of justice in a civil rights suit against him, molested the help and was credibly accused of rape by Juanita Broaddrick.

Huckabee teamed up with that guy to talk to children about healthy eating habits. Ironically, the obesity campaign kicked off almost exactly nine years from the very Palm Sunday on which President Clinton used a cigar as a sexual aid on Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office.

What is with Republicans? Clinton isn't your average ex-president, like Jerry Ford. This isn't even Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale.

Decent people shun Clinton, but elected Republicans keep trying to rehabilitate him. President Bush sends his own father on a feel-good "tsunami-relief campaign" with this guy, and Huckabee visits schoolchildren with him.

In 1999, Sen. Fred Thompson joined legal giants like Sens. Jim Jeffords, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins to vote against removing Bill Clinton from office for perjury.

Thompson, whom President Nixon once called "dumb as hell," claimed to have carefully studied the Constitution and determined that perjury by the president of the United States did not constitute "high crimes and misdemeanors." He must have been looking at one of those living, breathing Constitutions we've heard so much about.

When the framers chose the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" for the Constitution, they were using a term taken from British parliamentary impeachments. There's a 600-year history of what this phrase means -- and Clinton met it about a dozen times before he gave a single statement under oath or suborned a single witness's testimony.

It has been used in this country and in Britain to remove one government official for making "uncivil addresses to a women," another for "notorious excesses and debaucheries" and another for "frequenting bawdy houses and consorting with harlots." Or, as Bill Clinton used to call it, "a three-day weekend."

The House didn't even impeach Clinton for his legion of "notorious excesses and debaucheries." He was impeached for excesses that also happen to be felonies. For a nation of laws, there are no more serious offenses than perjury and obstruction of justice.

The entire Supreme Court -- including the justices Clinton appointed -- boycotted Clinton's State of the Union address after his impeachment trial. That's what they thought of crimes that attack the legal system.

Rep. James Rogan lost his congressional seat because he stuck by his principles as a manager of Clinton's impeachment. Lifelong Democrat David Schippers abandoned his party's lockstep defense of Clinton to pursue Clinton's impeachment as the House Judiciary Committee's chief counsel. Rep. Henry Hyde saw an affair he had in 1965 become front-page news because he wouldn't waver from doing his job under the Constitution.

But, as The New York Times recently said, Thompson "agonized over what he saw as two 'bad choices.'"

What bad choices? Punishing a multiple felon or not punishing him? This wasn't exactly a job for King Solomon, pal.

The Times reported that calls from Thompson's Tennessee constituents showed that they "overwhelmingly favored removing President Bill Clinton from office." So Thompson could either: (1) Follow the Constitution and make his constituents happy or, (2) disregard the Constitution and make his Hollywood friends happy.

Only a handful of Republicans voted against all law and reason to keep Clinton in office, and only one of them was from Tennessee.

This isn't the time to be toying with any Republican who had a Clinton in his sights and ended up shooting himself in the foot. If you're bored with our top candidates, go see a slasher movie. Don't take it out on a presidential election.

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[Ray G.]

Today she said Jews needed to be "perfected" and become Christians.

:?

[RebootedCorpse]

Today she said Jews needed to be "perfected" and become Christians.

:?

So much for her column in Jewish World Review.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Today she said Jews needed to be "perfected" and become Christians.

:?

That's what all Christians believe, even if they are too polite to say so. Except Mormons. We believe Jews are God's Chosen people and we have to fight alongside them. I don't know why THEY get out of the whole accepting Jesus thing to get into heaven, but they do.

[PimpSlapStick!]

If I was O.J. Simpson I'd..... marry her instead of a blackwoman then live happily everafter, since I've found my true soulmate a woman whos soul is as decrepid as mine own.

If the glove don't fit Ann Coulter will commit.

[Thommy Melanson]

That's what all Christians believe, even if they are too polite to say so. Except Mormons. We believe Jews are God's Chosen people and we have to fight alongside them. I don't know why THEY get out of the whole accepting Jesus thing to get into heaven, but they do.

It's their 40 acres and a mule.

[RickLM]

So who do the super-conservative voters get behind? Not that I care, but its interesting to watch all the GOP candidates getting ripped apart because their voting records aren't perfect.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

So who do the super-conservative voters get behind? Not that I care, but its interesting to watch all the GOP candidates getting ripped apart because their voting records aren't perfect.

Newt Gingrich, but he pussied out.

[Foolish Mortal]

Today she said Jews needed to be "perfected" and become Christians.

:?
Oh come on, Ray! Can't you take a joke?

You clearly don't understand Ann's masterful bon mots and urbane wit. :no:

[RebootedCorpse]

If I was O.J. Simpson I'd..... marry her instead of a blackwoman then live happily everafter, since I've found my true soulmate a woman whos soul is as decrepid as mine own.

If the glove don't fit Ann Coulter will commit.

And she looks like Nicole.
Well, how Nicole looks now after being dead for 10 years

[PimpSlapStick!]

The lady is a media whore plain and simple, she knew what she was saying and knew it would incite a reaction from the media.

Is she anti-semitic? I don't know, but she has brass ones to do the things she does and say what she says, yet I can't help but think that she means every word of what comes out her mouth on some level.

[PimpSlapStick!]

And she looks like Nicole.
Well, how Nicole looks now after being dead for 10 years


heh

I see it

[Brad N.]

Today she said Jews needed to be "perfected" and become Christians.

:?

Sadly Ray this is the view held by most Evangelicals. Didn't you ever find it weird how much Pat Robertson was in love with Israel? It's like Dracula talking about taking over a blood bank.

[NATE!]

Sadly Ray this is the view held by most Evangelicals. Didn't you ever find it weird how much Pat Robertson was in love with Israel? It's like Dracula talking about taking over a blood bank.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Sadly Ray this is the view held by most Evangelicals. Didn't you ever find it weird how much Pat Robertson was in love with Israel? It's like Dracula talking about taking over a blood bank.

That's retarded, Brad N. (sorry pal) but why is anyone surprised by this. The very POINT of Christianity is that everyone must convert in order to get into heaven.

[Ray G.]

Sadly Ray this is the view held by most Evangelicals. Didn't you ever find it weird how much Pat Robertson was in love with Israel? It's like Dracula talking about taking over a blood bank.

Yeah, not a huge fan of most Evangelicals. They can go a bit too far. On the other hand, considering just how much hate there is for Israel from elements on the other side, backhanded help is sometimes needed.

[jamestolliver]

That's retarded, Brad N. (sorry pal) but why is anyone surprised by this. The very POINT of Christianity is that everyone must convert in order to get into heaven.

Pope JP II let people of other faiths off the hook but I think Benedict plans on renigging on the heaven-promise-thing.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Pope JP II let people of other faiths off the hook but I think Benedict plans on renigging on the heaven-promise-thing.

That's nice of him but it's not what the New Testament says.

[PimpSlapStick!]

That's retarded, Brad N. (sorry pal) but why is anyone surprised by this. The very POINT of Christianity is that everyone must convert in order to get into heaven.

This is odd but I just took my final exam today for 'Intro to the New Testement' in school and its funny how Christians think they are 'perfected' at least by Coulters account when back in bibilical times Christians whooped and hollered they were Jews also (Mainly to become 'resident aliens' citizens) of Rome.

[Brad N.]

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Please expand on your outrage.

[jamestolliver]

That's nice of him but it's not what the New Testament says.

I'm not disagreeing but you know that whacky Catholic Dogma.

[Brad N.]

That's retarded, Brad N. (sorry pal) but why is anyone surprised by this. The very POINT of Christianity is that everyone must convert in order to get into heaven.

Not really, no. You've confused that with radical Islam.

[PimpSlapStick!]

Pope JP II let people of other faiths off the hook but I think Benedict plans on renigging on the heaven-promise-thing.

I don't see that happening, a Pope is as much a polictian as a presidential canidate.

[Brad N.]

Yeah, not a huge fan of most Evangelicals. They can go a bit too far. On the other hand, considering just how much hate there is for Israel from elements on the other side, backhanded help is sometimes needed.

Really? Hate for Israel from the other side? While there may be some on the left who may not agree with everything they do I would say most of the left does not hate Israel and they certainly don't pretend to love your homeland just because they want to convert you all.

[Strikeout]

WOW! Ann Coulter said something that will incite the media to draw attention to her. AND SHE HAS A NEW BOOK TO SELL.

Can't be a reason there.....it's total coincidence...yep, coincidence.

[PimpSlapStick!]

Pretty much^

[jamestolliver]

I don't see that happening, a Pope is as much a polictian as a presidential canidate.

Benedict has already taken away certain reforms from the Second Vatican Council so I certainly think it could be possible for him to do anything.

[Brad N.]

That's nice of him but it's not what the New Testament says.

The New Testament says nothing about converting everyone to Christianity in order to get into Heaven. BUT, my point remains that Evangelicals believe this and in their belief that anyone not a part of their cult is going to hell they are outside the norm of Christianity. Even if some other Christians think that it is not dogma.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

The New Testament says nothing about converting everyone to Christianity in order to get into Heaven. BUT, my point remains that Evangelicals believe this and in their belief that anyone not a part of their cult is going to hell they are outside the norm of Christianity. Even if some other Christians think that it is not dogma.

Yeah, Jesus says something like, "Except through me you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven" blah blah. I don't know, it's been awhile.

[PimpSlapStick!]

Benedict has already taken away certain reforms from the Second Vatican Council so I certainly think it could be possible for him to do anything.



Do you think it would backfire on him if he did?

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Not really, no. You've confused that with radical Islam.

No, Christians won't decapitate you. Maybe Jesus will, I don't know.

[PimpSlapStick!]

Yeah, Jesus says something like, "Except through me you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven" blah blah. I don't know, it's been awhile.


Thats debateable I'll look it up, but John says succintly that salvation comes through Jesus Christ only point blank, yet Paul and Peter in particular are more pragmatic about that question.

[Brad N.]

Yeah, Jesus says something like, "Except through me you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven" blah blah. I don't know, it's been awhile.

He was misquoted. I believe it was originally "Which way to Galillee, bros? Surfs up dudes!"

[jamestolliver]

Do you think it would backfire on him if he did?

Depends. Many of the old traditional catholics didn't like how liberal John Paul II appeared so they would probably be in favor of this new turn toward Catholic conservatism. However, American Catholics are overwhelmingly Democratic and I think the appeal to the small minority of traditionalist would in the long run cause a backlash.

[jamestolliver]

No, Christians won't decapitate you. Maybe Jesus will, I don't know.

I like my jesus like I like my norse gods.

[Foolish Mortal]

No, Christians won't decapitate you. Maybe Jesus will, I don't know.
Are you saying Jesus was a Klingon? :mistrust:

[PimpSlapStick!]

Depends. Many of the old traditional catholics didn't like how liberal John Paul II appeared so they would probably be in favor of this new turn toward Catholic conservatism. However, American Catholics are overwhelmingly Democratic and I think the appeal to the small minority of traditionalist would in the long run cause a backlash.

Its politics.

[Brad N.]

No, Christians won't decapitate you. Maybe Jesus will, I don't know.

Really? Maybe not so much today, but it's hard to ignore the Salem Witch trials, the Crusades, and the Grand Theft Auto style Christian videogame based on the left behind series. The church I almost became a youth pastor in (Evangelical) now teaches about various comforts you will receive in Heaven based upon the number of good works you do on Earth. That is a fairly recent and not at all Biblical point of view that is awfully similar to the small but extreme Muslim fundamentalist belief system. Watching the little children preparing for Holy War in the movie Jesus Camp sheds more light on this. When you read about or listen to some of the End Times obsessed kooks out there the stories they imagine are as frightening as the reality of the Middle East.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Really? Maybe not so much today, but it's hard to ignore the Salem Witch trials, the Crusades, and the Grand Theft Auto style Christian videogame based on the left behind series. The church I almost became a youth pastor in (Evangelical) now teaches about various comforts you will receive in Heaven based upon the number of good works you do on Earth. That is a fairly recent and not at all Biblical point of view that is awfully similar to the small but extreme Muslim fundamentalist belief system. Watching the little children preparing for Holy War in the movie Jesus Camp sheds more light on this. When you read about or listen to some of the End Times obsessed kooks out there the stories they imagine are as frightening as the reality of the Middle East.

Nope, I'm not afraid of Christians. They're harmless, except for 400 years ago when some weren't because they hated witches.

Fuck witches.

[PimpSlapStick!]

Really? Maybe not so much today, but it's hard to ignore the Salem Witch trials, the Crusades, and the Grand Theft Auto style Christian videogame based on the left behind series. The church I almost became a youth pastor in (Evangelical) now teaches about various comforts you will receive in Heaven based upon the number of good works you do on Earth. That is a fairly recent and not at all Biblical point of view that is awfully similar to the small but extreme Muslim fundamentalist belief system. Watching the little children preparing for Holy War in the movie Jesus Camp sheds more light on this. When you read about or listen to some of the End Times obsessed kooks out there the stories they imagine are as frightening as the reality of the Middle East.

Ya know thats pretty much on point, there are radicals on both sides, I've served in Iraq and honestly a religious zealot Muslim or Christian is still a thing to fear either way.

Radical Islam's current methods are violence/terror and for some far right Christians it Fear/Political might.

The goal of both is "My God is better than your God now convert or die."

[PimpSlapStick!]

Heh!

[Ray G.]

Really? Hate for Israel from the other side? While there may be some on the left who may not agree with everything they do I would say most of the left does not hate Israel and they certainly don't pretend to love your homeland just because they want to convert you all.

If you haven't noticed that there's a very loud, if not large, segment of the left that hates Israel and would love to see it fall to the Hamas terror brigades, I don't know what to tell you. It's not like they're shy about admitting it.

[Brad N.]

Nope, I'm not afraid of Christians. They're harmless, except for 400 years ago when some weren't because they hated witches.

Fuck witches.


Oh, I agree. I'm all about hating witches. They smell worse than hippies. I'm not particularly afraid of the Evangelicals either. I'm only pointing out that MOST Christians the world over do not believe that Jews have to be converted.

[PimpSlapStick!]

If you haven't noticed that there's a very loud, if not large, segment of the left that hates Israel and would love to see it fall to the Hamas terror brigades, I don't know what to tell you. It's not like they're shy about admitting it.


Jimmy Carter that you? :Oops:

[Ray G.]

Jimmy Carter that you? :Oops:

Well, he did say that Hamas shouldn't lay down their arms until Israel withdraws from...half of Israel. :mistrust:

But I'm talking more about the omnipresent college radicals and their amen corner in the US Congress. Hello, Jim Moran, you piece of dogshit.

*waits for someone to defend Jim Moran*

[Brad N.]

If you haven't noticed that there's a very loud, if not large, segment of the left that hates Israel and would love to see it fall to the Hamas terror brigades, I don't know what to tell you. It's not like they're shy about admitting it.

You can't possibly believe that. Link please? Again, wanting peace between the Israelis and Palestinians is hardly hating Israel or actively wanting to see them fall. You're basically calling a large portion of the left a bunch of anti-semites. You do know that most Jews ARE on the left, right?

[Brad N.]

Well, he did say that Hamas shouldn't lay down their arms until Israel withdraws from...half of Israel. :mistrust:

But I'm talking more about the omnipresent college radicals and their amen corner in the US Congress. Hello, Jim Moran, you piece of dogshit.

*waits for someone to defend Jim Moran*

Ummmm, Jim Moran is a nobody.

[Thudpucker]

That's what all Christians believe, even if they are too polite to say so. Except Mormons. We believe Jews are God's Chosen people and we have to fight alongside them. I don't know why THEY get out of the whole accepting Jesus thing to get into heaven, but they do.

Really? I thought we were supposed to convert Jews too.

[Ray G.]

You can't possibly believe that. Link please? Again, wanting peace between the Israelis and Palestinians is hardly hating Israel or actively wanting to see them fall. You're basically calling a large portion of the left a bunch of anti-semites. You do know that most Jews ARE on the left, right?

Wait, you seriously want a link proving that a vocal minority on the left is Anti-Israel? Have you seriously never seen this? These people do not want peace. They are partisan for the Palestinians, regardless of the atrocities they commit against the Jews.

Google Joseph Massad or the divestment petitions, and you'll see what I mean. To claim that there isn't intense hate for Israel among the left is as crazy as claiming that all liberals hate Jews.

And most Jews are liberals. They're part of a dying breed of liberals who do not subscribe to the "progressive" foreign policy agenda. Guys like Tom Lantos, Jerrold Nadler, Nita Lowey, etc.


Ummmm, Jim Moran is a nobody.

Ummmm, Jim Moran is a Congressman.

[Brad N.]

Wait, you seriously want a link proving that a vocal minority on the left is Anti-Israel? Have you seriously never seen this? These people do not want peace. They are partisan for the Palestinians, regardless of the atrocities they commit against the Jews.

Google Joseph Massad or the divestment petitions, and you'll see what I mean. To claim that there isn't intense hate for Israel among the left is as crazy as claiming that all liberals hate Jews.

And most Jews are liberals. They're part of a dying breed of liberals who do not subscribe to the "progressive" foreign policy agenda. Guys like Tom Lantos, Jerrold Nadler, Nita Lowey, etc.



Ummmm, Jim Moran is a Congressman.

I realize Moran is a Congressman, but no one gives a shit what he says. I'm not saying there is NO anti-semitism on the left, Ray, but you used the word LARGE in reference to how many there were. There are quite a few cuckoos on your side of the aisle as well who hate Jews too you know.

[PimpSlapStick!]

Sadly Crazy Ray your point is valid with some leftist, although they are a very...small minority.

[Ray G.]

I realize Moran is a Congressman, but no one gives a shit what he says. I'm not saying there is NO anti-semitism on the left, Ray, but you used the word LARGE in reference to how many there were. There are quite a few cuckoos on your side of the aisle as well who hate Jews too you know.

Actually, if you look back, I said "Loud, if not large". They make themselves seem like a much bigger part of the left than they really are, and they're very effective in imposing themselves into the debate and getting their fellow hatemongers elected, sadly.

I know all about the Buchanan wing of the GOP. Trust me, I'm not a fan of them, but they seem to be dying out.

[Brad N.]

Actually, if you look back, I said "Loud, if not large". They make themselves seem like a much bigger part of the left than they really are, and they're very effective in imposing themselves into the debate and getting their fellow hatemongers elected, sadly.

I know all about the Buchanan wing of the GOP. Trust me, I'm not a fan of them, but they seem to be dying out.

Obviously they're not loud enough because I never hear anything they say. I frequent several blogs and read all kinds of good commie propaganda and never come across these people. I agree they exist but my point stands that they're not that loud (maybe a whisper) and they are certainly not large. I kind of think the paleocons are making a comeback in a sense and especially after this Neocon disaster of Bush and his cronies and after Rudy gets trounced by Gore the GOP will have to realize the experiment failed and at least try to return to their roots.

[PimpSlapStick!]

Obviously they're not loud enough because I never hear anything they say. I frequent several blogs and read all kinds of good commie propaganda and never come across these people. I agree they exist but my point stands that they're not that loud (maybe a whisper) and they are certainly not large. I kind of think the paleocons are making a comeback in a sense and especially after this Neocon disaster of Bush and his cronies and after Rudy gets trounced by Gore the GOP will have to realize the experiment failed and at least try to return to their roots.



Even now Republicans are distancing themselves from Bush, McCain's biggest mistake was going to the 'Darkside' and backing G-Dubya now look at him the oldman is riding coach on South West airlines.

He's the one republican I'd vote for sadly he's screwed.

[Brad N.]

Even now Republicans are distancing themselves from Bush, McCain's biggest mistake was going to the 'Darkside' and backing G-Dubya now look at him the oldman is riding coach on South West airlines.

He's the one republican I'd vote for sadly he's screwed.

I'd vote for 2000 McCain over Hillary. Sadly that man has been dead for years. I did find it funny tonight on the NBC News where they played comments from Hillary in response to talk about "drafting" Gore. She basically said the group is fine as it is and they don't need to add another to it. Heh, cuz she knows he'd fucking win.

[Ray G.]

I'd vote for 2000 McCain over Hillary. Sadly that man has been dead for years. I did find it funny tonight on the NBC News where they played comments from Hillary in response to talk about "drafting" Gore. She basically said the group is fine as it is and they don't need to add another to it. Heh, cuz she knows he'd fucking win.

Gore is the nuclear option. I truly believe Giuliani would beat any of the big three Dems right now, just because being moderate usually pays off. But against Gore, no GOPer would have a chance. And the funny thing is, I almost hope he runs, just because then we'd be guaranteed to have a sane, intelligent President as opposed to the three stooges.

[PimpSlapStick!]

I'd vote for 2000 McCain over Hillary. Sadly that man has been dead for years. I did find it funny tonight on the NBC News where they played comments from Hillary in response to talk about "drafting" Gore. She basically said the group is fine as it is and they don't need to add another to it. Heh, cuz she knows he'd fucking win.


LMAO!

She dreads that prospect, the Hill would show her lesbian fangs like a vampire having sunlight shined in its direction.

[PimpSlapStick!]

Gore is the nuclear option. I truly believe Giuliani would beat any of the big three Dems right now, just because being moderate usually pays off. But against Gore, no GOPer would have a chance. And the funny thing is, I almost hope he runs, just because then we'd be guaranteed to have a sane, intelligent President as opposed to the three stooges.


:rock:

Oh yeah!

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Really? I thought we were supposed to convert Jews too.

If you can! (My wife was Jewish before she converted) But I think they are special somehow. I'll ask my dad, he knows all about these Mormons.

[modungo]

Disregarding content, she is an exceptionally bad writer. It's like reading a blog written by a 3rd rate failed stand up comic.

[Forrest]

That's what all Christians believe, even if they are too polite to say so. Except Mormons. We believe Jews are God's Chosen people and we have to fight alongside them. I don't know why THEY get out of the whole accepting Jesus thing to get into heaven, but they do.

It's fucking true! My dad is Mormon and he LOVES Jews! He took a couple years of Hebrew at BYUI a few years ago, collects Jewish whatnots on EBay and he listens to Jewish music on his commute.

Mormons LOVE Jews.

[JoeE]

The relationship that a lot of right-wing religious people have with Judaism is weird.

My sister married some idiot a few months ago, and during the ceremony the pastor/reverend went off on a tangent about Jewish industriousness and thrift and wished the same fortune to be blessed by God on the newly married couple. He also took a not-so-subtle shot at Catholicism. It was one of the weirdest things I'd ever seen. I've never struggled so hard to contain laughter in my entire life.

But man, you want awkward, be an atheist at a conservative Christian wedding that calls for audience participation.

[RebootedCorpse]

The relationship that a lot of right-wing religious people have with Judaism is weird.

My sister married some idiot a few months ago, and during the ceremony the pastor/reverend went off on a tangent about Jewish industriousness and thrift and wished the same fortune to be blessed by God on the newly married couple. He also took a not-so-subtle shot at Catholicism. It was one of the weirdest things I'd ever seen. I've never struggled so hard to contain laughter in my entire life.

But man, you want awkward, be an atheist at a conservative Christian wedding that calls for audience participation.

Most Fundies base their creepy Israel love on their psycho reading of Revelations.
It's very fucked up.

[Ben]

It's fucking true! My dad is Mormon and he LOVES Jews! He took a couple years of Hebrew at BYUI a few years ago, collects Jewish whatnots on EBay and he listens to Jewish music on his commute.

Mormons LOVE Jews.Has he baptized any dead Holocaust victims? They love Jews so much, they convert them after they're dead!

[Ben]

But man, you want awkward, be an atheist at a conservative Christian wedding that calls for audience participation.Yeah, I went to an Italian Catholic wedding. It was barely even a wedding ceremony! It was like I went to church on Sunday and someone just happened to get married in the background. They did communion, so I just sat there.

[Ben]

Most Fundies base their creepy Israel love on their psycho reading of Revelations.
It's very fucked up.Yeah, they love Jews they way they love a part of their car's engine - they're just a means to an end.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

The relationship that a lot of right-wing religious people have with Judaism is weird.

My sister married some idiot a few months ago, and during the ceremony the pastor/reverend went off on a tangent about Jewish industriousness and thrift and wished the same fortune to be blessed by God on the newly married couple. He also took a not-so-subtle shot at Catholicism. It was one of the weirdest things I'd ever seen. I've never struggled so hard to contain laughter in my entire life.

But man, you want awkward, be an atheist at a conservative Christian wedding that calls for audience participation.

It's not awkward. You go along to be respectful and polite. I've been to a dozen seders since I've been married, not to mention temple for this and that, and you observe the practices of the religion soberly and reverently.

I don't see why that should be difficult. :-?

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Most Fundies base their creepy Israel love on their psycho reading of Revelations.
It's very fucked up.

Or on the entire Old Testament. Those creepy psychos! :blah:

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Has he baptized any dead Holocaust victims? They love Jews so much, they convert them after they're dead!

Baptism for the dead isn't conversion.

[TheTravis!]

I can't be bothered to read this whole thread. Has anyone called Coulter a cunt yet? Because she is.

[DAVE]

Wow, Coulter has made me like Huckabee just a little with that column.

And Mormons, like Rastafarians (never thought you'd see those groups lumped together, did ya?) identify with Jews a lot because of they identify with the symbolism in "time in the desert" and issues of exile and seeking a homeland.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Wow, Coulter has made me like Huckabee just a little with that column.

And Mormons, like Rastafarians (never thought you'd see those groups lumped together, did ya?) identify with Jews a lot because of they identify with the symbolism in "time in the desert" and issues of exile and seeking a homeland.

That's an interesting thought.

[Brad N.]

Or on the entire Old Testament. Those creepy psychos! :blah:

LOL. No, most of the Evangelical love of Jews has to do with the fact that they believe certain events must take place in Israel to jump start Armageddon (without Willis and Affleck). Also, I left out the fact that Evangelicals hate you Mormons even more than they hate Catholics. They think you are a part of a cult and all going to hell so there's that. I guess you and I can at least have fun in the afterlife. Their version of Heaven sounds like as much fun as partying in an old folks home.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

LOL. No, most of the Evangelical love of Jews has to do with the fact that they believe certain events must take place in Israel to jump start Armageddon (without Willis and Affleck). Also, I left out the fact that Evangelicals hate you Mormons even more than they hate Catholics. They think you are a part of a cult and all going to hell so there's that. I guess you and I can at least have fun in the afterlife. Their version of Heaven sounds like as much fun as partying in an old folks home.

Evangelicals hate Mormons because Mormons claim to be the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, and therefore, they've got it wrong and are missing some scriptures and a living prophet. So we're a cult, and are going to hell, etc.

I think you're wrong about their interest in Jews though. I don't think it's about Armageddon, because "Real Christians" wouldn't be around to see that happen anyhow. They're going to be sucked into the sky before anything terrible happens.

[Brad N.]

Evangelicals hate Mormons because Mormons claim to be the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, and therefore, they've got it wrong and are missing some scriptures and a living prophet. So we're a cult, and are going to hell, etc.

I think you're wrong about their interest in Jews though. I don't think it's about Armageddon, because "Real Christians" wouldn't be around to see that happen anyhow. They're going to be sucked into the sky before anything terrible happens.

Right on about their distaste for your folk.

Well, Evangelicals are really the only ones who focus so much attention to Revalations and despite the fact that it's all actually a story about Nero and has no basis in any future return of Jesus crap they truly believe that all of this stuff is coming and soon (hell, they've been saying we're in the end times for well over 100 years now). The thing is they do actually believe that things will begin in Israel and many would gladly allow things to transpire there in order to see the beginnings of their end of days, the rapture, etc.

[Gail Simone]

"This is like breaking up with Bobby Brown so you can date Phil Spector."

That might be the first time in history she's said anything even remotely witty. The woman has a sense of humor like a dead wallaroo.

Gail

[Khrutch]

I just love how those who aren't Christians seem to love to speak for them. I'm looking at you Brad. :-? Sometimes I truly wonder if you have even read the Bible at all with some of the interpretations you give.

As a Christian, I don't hate Mormons, I don't hate anyone. As with any other group it is always the few that give the many a bad name. Jesus' most important commands are to love God and everyone else. If a person isn't doing that they need to grow up in their Christianity.

By the way, I will vote for Romney if he gets the nomination. Him being a Mormon is a non-issue and I have little doubt that "evangelicals" will vote for him, especially if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination. I think Rudy or Thompson has a better chance at getting nominated though.

It's been my experience that Mormons are good people who share much of the same value system as Christians do even though we disagree on theology.

The Bible is pretty clear cut that Jesus is the only Savior for mankind and I won't try to sugar coat it. It doesn't tell Jews to stop being Jews, but it does say that they need Jesus just as much as the rest of us. Whether a person chooses to accept him or not is their choice. He doesn't force himself on anyone.

[Ben]

Baptism for the dead isn't conversion.I know. To those that are insulted by this practice, there isn't any difference.

[Brad N.]

I just love how those who aren't Christians seem to love to speak for them. I'm looking at you Brad. :-? Sometimes I truly wonder if you have even read the Bible at all with some of the interpretations you give.

As a Christian, I don't hate Mormons, I don't hate anyone. As with any other group it is always the few that give the many a bad name. Jesus' most important commands are to love God and everyone else. If a person isn't doing that they need to grow up in their Christianity.

By the way, I will vote for Romney if he gets the nomination. Him being a Mormon is a non-issue and I have little doubt that "evangelicals" will vote for him, especially if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination. I think Rudy or Thompson has a better chance at getting nominated though.

It's been my experience that Mormons are good people who share much of the same value system as Christians do even though we disagree on theology.

The Bible is pretty clear cut that Jesus is the only Savior for mankind and I won't try to sugar coat it. It doesn't tell Jews to stop being Jews, but it does say that they need Jesus just as much as the rest of us. Whether a person chooses to accept him or not is their choice. He doesn't force himself on anyone.

Khrutch, I may not currently be an Evangelical but I used to be. I attended a large Evangelical church for several years, became a youth ministry leader, and was attending Bible College to become a Youth Pastor. I woke up after seeing some pretty messed up inner workings of the church and I'm glad I did. However, I still have friends there and I think since I now have the other side of the coin going for me I am pretty well qualified to speak about this subject.

[Brad N.]

"This is like breaking up with Bobby Brown so you can date Phil Spector."

That might be the first time in history she's said anything even remotely witty. The woman has a sense of humor like a dead wallaroo.

Gail

I'm willing to bet she stole that line from her pal Bill Maher. :)

[Forrest]

Has he baptized any dead Holocaust victims? They love Jews so much, they convert them after they're dead!

:lol:


Baptism for the dead isn't conversion.

Sure, it's assuming that the dead person has already converted.

[Black Roman]

Seriously, when is someone just gonna dump a bucket of water on this woman so we can see her melt? I'm still waiting.

[Thudpucker]

:lol:

Sure, it's assuming that the dead person has already converted.

It's giving the dead person a choice.

Mormons believe that baptism and the acceptance of Christ is something that can only be done here on Earth. You can't get into Heaven without it, so all the people who die without it are screwed.

That's where baptism for the dead comes in. A living person stands in and is baptised and blessed in the name of a specific dead person. Then the spirit of the dead person has the opprotunity to now accept Christ (the assumption is that dead people do want that).

I have actually done this. When I was 14 I went to the Washington DC temple and was baptized for someone. It was a very spiritual experience, I'm glad I did it.

[Mwstattel]

We really need to band together and start ignoring her completely . . . Kind of like that simpsons episode where are the billboards turn into monsters. Then Paul Anka writes a jingle to get everyone to ignore them and then the billboard monsters die off. It could work.

[RickLM]

So does Coulter consider herself an evangelical? I always thought she was like Rush Limbaugh, who pretty much aligns himself with church folk but wasn't one himself.

If she does claim to be one, she is probably the most hostile evangelical in history.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

So does Coulter consider herself an evangelical? I always thought she was like Rush Limbaugh, who pretty much aligns himself with church folk but wasn't one himself.

If she does claim to be one, she is probably the most hostile evangelical in history.

She says she's a Christian, albeit a mean one, and that's about it. No specifics.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

It's giving the dead person a choice.

Mormons believe that baptism and the acceptance of Christ is something that can only be done here on Earth. You can't get into Heaven without it, so all the people who die without it are screwed.

That's where baptism for the dead comes in. A living person stands in and is baptised and blessed in the name of a specific dead person. Then the spirit of the dead person has the opprotunity to now accept Christ (the assumption is that dead people do want that).

I have actually done this. When I was 14 I went to the Washington DC temple and was baptized for someone. It was a very spiritual experience, I'm glad I did it.

Thanks, buddy! It's better coming from you!

[Thommy Melanson]

So does Coulter consider herself an evangelical? I always thought she was like Rush Limbaugh, who pretty much aligns himself with church folk but wasn't one himself.

If she does claim to be one, she is probably the most hostile evangelical in history.

I think that dubious honor goes to the Crusades.

Although in modern times, Rev. Fred Phelps and his family of psycho xenophobes with their God Hates Fags revelry at funerals are shoe-in contenders for that title.

[RebootedCorpse]

It's giving the dead person a choice.

Mormons believe that baptism and the acceptance of Christ is something that can only be done here on Earth. You can't get into Heaven without it, so all the people who die without it are screwed.

That's where baptism for the dead comes in. A living person stands in and is baptised and blessed in the name of a specific dead person. Then the spirit of the dead person has the opprotunity to now accept Christ (the assumption is that dead people do want that).

I have actually done this. When I was 14 I went to the Washington DC temple and was baptized for someone. It was a very spiritual experience, I'm glad I did it.

That's hilarious!

[Colby]

I just love how those who aren't Christians seem to love to speak for them. I'm looking at you Brad. :-? Sometimes I truly wonder if you have even read the Bible at all with some of the interpretations you give.

As a Christian, I don't hate Mormons, I don't hate anyone. As with any other group it is always the few that give the many a bad name. Jesus' most important commands are to love God and everyone else. If a person isn't doing that they need to grow up in their Christianity.

By the way, I will vote for Romney if he gets the nomination. Him being a Mormon is a non-issue and I have little doubt that "evangelicals" will vote for him, especially if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination. I think Rudy or Thompson has a better chance at getting nominated though.

It's been my experience that Mormons are good people who share much of the same value system as Christians do even though we disagree on theology.

The Bible is pretty clear cut that Jesus is the only Savior for mankind and I won't try to sugar coat it. It doesn't tell Jews to stop being Jews, but it does say that they need Jesus just as much as the rest of us. Whether a person chooses to accept him or not is their choice. He doesn't force himself on anyone.

OTOH, saying, "You don't have to follow me, but if you don't, you'll burn in hell for eternity" is kind of a hollow choice, isn't it?

[Colby]

BTW, this article, while dressed up in dissing Huckabee and Thompson, is nakedly just a Bill Clinton hit piece. But I think it's an effective one- I bet we'll see Bob Dole gain 3-5 points when the next poll comes out.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

OTOH, saying, "You don't have to follow me, but if you don't, you'll burn in hell for eternity" is kind of a hollow choice, isn't it?

Well, let's pretend you believe in God and Jesus Christ.

Jesus died on the cross to make it possible for you, accepting His sacrifice, to be pure enough to live with perfected beings like God after you die, because otherwise, nothing you do here on earth will make you worthy to live in their presence. You try your best, accept Christ's atonement, and let God be the judge of your soul.

Mormons don't believe in Hell anyhow.

[Colby]

Well, let's pretend you believe in God and Jesus Christ.

No imagination necessary.


Jesus died on the cross to make it possible for you, accepting His sacrifice, to be pure enough to live with perfected beings like God after you die, because otherwise, nothing you do here on earth will make you worthy to live in their presence. You try your best, accept Christ's atonement, and let God be the judge of your soul.

Mormons don't believe in Hell anyhow.

So when Jesus says "only through me..." he means "Because of what I've done", not "Only if you join my church"? That I can accept.

Hell, I can accept the other way, too- we cafeteria Catholics are pretty accepting of the stuff we can just ignore. ;)

[Ethan Van Sciver]

No imagination necessary.



So when Jesus says "only through me..." he means "Because of what I've done", not "Only if you join my church"? That I can accept.

Hell, I can accept the other way, too- we cafeteria Catholics are pretty accepting of the stuff we can just ignore. ;)

Heh.

[Jay Wesson]

The New Testament says nothing about converting everyone to Christianity in order to get into Heaven. BUT, my point remains that Evangelicals believe this and in their belief that anyone not a part of their cult is going to hell they are outside the norm of Christianity. Even if some other Christians think that it is not dogma.

Actually, it does.

Christ said "No man comes to the Father, but through Me."

Sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

[Thommy Melanson]

Actually, it does.

Christ said "No man comes to the Father, but through Me."

Sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

There's nothing cut and dried about the Bible.

If you want to take the above literally, then women are exempt from that rule.

[Jay Wesson]

Right on about their distaste for your folk.

Well, Evangelicals are really the only ones who focus so much attention to Revalations and despite the fact that it's all actually a story about Nero and has no basis in any future return of Jesus crap they truly believe that all of this stuff is coming and soon (hell, they've been saying we're in the end times for well over 100 years now). The thing is they do actually believe that things will begin in Israel and many would gladly allow things to transpire there in order to see the beginnings of their end of days, the rapture, etc.

Where the fuck do you get your Bible knowledge from? I'd say Revelations is so allegorical that it could apply to almost anything, but I'm glad you have it figured out once and for all. :roll:

[Brad N.]

Where the fuck do you get your Bible knowledge from? I'd say Revelations is so allegorical that it could apply to almost anything, but I'm glad you have it figured out once and for all. :roll:


Go back and read what I wrote previously. My Biblical knowledge is pretty vast actually and the Revelations thing is pretty well accepted by many Christians and scholars today. Evangelicals make their money off of their sheep being frightened of the rapture and end times. The Hellfire and Brimstone shit is their bread and butter. To make it easy for you...

In Hebrew gematria, every letter has a corresponding number. Summing these numbers gives a numeric value to a word or name. In Hebrew, "Nero Caesar" is spelled “נרון קסר”, pronounced "Neron Qe[i]sar". Adding the corresponding values yields 666. The book itself is a perfect code to the people at the time who were persecuted by the Roman emporer.

[Brad N.]

Actually, it does.

Christ said "No man comes to the Father, but through Me."

Sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

He was referring to the use of God's Porsche.

[WillieLee]

There's nothing cut and dried about the Bible.

If you want to take the above literally, then women are exempt from that rule.

Well, duh. They're evil harridans who lead men into sin and degradation.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

He was referring to the use of God's Porsche.

It actually sounds like a threat. "You want him? First you gotta go through me!"

[Thommy Melanson]

gematria

I'm soooo naming my first daughter that.

[Thommy Melanson]

harridans

I'm soooo naming my first son that.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

There's nothing cut and dried about the Bible.

If you want to take the above literally, then women are exempt from that rule.

Well, you'd need to read a little more to find that the term "Man" is used over and over again to mean "mankind".

But some people do tend to take single verses and use them out of context like that, and that's why we have 800 different sects of Christianity.

[Brad N.]

Well, duh. They're evil harridans who lead men into sin and degradation.


Boy howdy! Though I would have preferred harlot or trollop.

[Brad N.]

It actually sounds like a threat. "You want him? First you gotta go through me!"

Jesus was God's bouncer? :eek:

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Jesus was God's bouncer? :eek:


Yeah!

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/g/giotto/giotto_crucifix.jpg

"Pain Don't Hurt!"

[WillieLee]

There's nothing cut and dried about the Bible.

If you want to take the above literally, then women are exempt from that rule.

The books in the christian bible were never meant to be presented in a collected format.

[Thommy Melanson]

The books in the christian bible were never meant to be presented in a collected format.

So floppies are an old-fashioned idea!

[Thommy Melanson]

Jesus was God's bouncer? :eek:

I.N.R.I. stands for "I Need Roadhouse Immediately."

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Everyone on this thread is going to hell now.

[Thommy Melanson]

Everyone on this thread is going to hell now.

Party bus, anyone?

[c. page]

It actually sounds like a threat. "You want him? First you gotta go through me!"

:lol:


Everyone on this thread is going to hell now.

i had to jump into this thread so i wouldn't miss out on the awesome trip down.

[Foolish Mortal]

It actually sounds like a threat. "You want him? First you gotta go through me!"
http://www.imgplace.com/users/Starfighter/1192296746.jpg (http://www.imgplace.com/image.php?img=users/Starfighter/1192296746.jpg)

[bobinskil]

That's what all Christians believe, even if they are too polite to say so. Except Mormons. We believe Jews are God's Chosen people and we have to fight alongside them. I don't know why THEY get out of the whole accepting Jesus thing to get into heaven, but they do.

But fighting along side them doesn't mean they don't have to accept Jesus, who's death freed them from having to meet the requirements of the law.

Or does it say in Book of Mormon that they don't have to follow Jesus?

As for which parts to take literally, well keep in mind that the writers (and Jesus especially) were not only prone to speak metaphorically as well as with complete disregard for logical implications, but it has been translated A LOT of times and translating something while trying to keep the spirit of the text is quite difficult. I just found out that in Murakami's books, huge chunks of text and entire chapters have been left out because of an inability to translate. There simply is nothing in the English language that it could translate to. That's why the bible always has references at the bottom of the pages, and the better ones discuss certain language problems.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

But fighting along side them doesn't mean they don't have to accept Jesus, who's death freed them from having to meet the requirements of the law.

Or does it say in Book of Mormon that they don't have to follow Jesus?

I dunno!

[bobinskil]

I dunno!

Van Sciverrrrr!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/msa85/doom.gif

[Black Roman]

We really need to band together and start ignoring her completely . . . Kind of like that simpsons episode where are the billboards turn into monsters. Then Paul Anka writes a jingle to get everyone to ignore them and then the billboard monsters die off. It could work.

I like this idea!

[Black Roman]

There's nothing cut and dried about the Bible.

If you want to take the above literally, then women are exempt from that rule.

I don't believe the Bible is as cut and dry as people take it. I mean jeez if we were supposed to take everything in the bible as is , no one would be going to heaven. :lol:

[/(. . )/]

Today she said Jews needed to be "perfected" and become Christians.

:?

They do. Do you want to spend eternity burning in Hell?


That's what all Christians believe, even if they are too polite to say so. Except Mormons. We believe Jews are God's Chosen people and we have to fight alongside them. I don't know why THEY get out of the whole accepting Jesus thing to get into heaven, but they do.

unless they're holocaust victims. free conversion.