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Plan 9
05-19-2005, 10:53 PM
I know people get tired of "Liefeld bashing" but after seeing this I had to share it with someone. I don't have any particular dislike towards Liefeld or his art, but sometimes it's just fun to look at pictures he's done where the anatomy is so insanely awkward that you have to wonder why he didn't pull out the old eraser and correct it. This is probably the best example I've seen:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/coffeeman27/Cool%20Covers/Coven1Liefeld.jpg

Wow. Just wow. :o

The irony: I found it in a "favorite covers" thread at another message board. And they weren't kidding.

alexlannin
05-19-2005, 10:57 PM
I never get tired of this.

Bill?
05-19-2005, 10:58 PM
I do believe you have single handedly redefined the word "goodness".

Brandon191
05-19-2005, 11:01 PM
Storm dressed up as a whore?

alexlannin
05-19-2005, 11:01 PM
Of course, I've never read an entire Liefield comic, so I missed his "time".

Plan 9
05-19-2005, 11:07 PM
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0411/10/xf1.jpg

alexlannin
05-19-2005, 11:08 PM
I do believe you have single handedly redefined the word "goodness".
Not to mention the word "art" :)

rumblegirl
05-19-2005, 11:09 PM
If Image did come up with the whole "widescreen" splash page and other comic standards as Liefeld argued they did awhile ago, he missed one very important Image contribution that no one can deny isn't rightfully theirs:
the chicks with huge tits and no nipples.
there's no where to hide them in that get-up. they would be hanging out.
what have you done with the nipples, rob???

Dread Pirate Wren
05-19-2005, 11:27 PM
If Image did come up with the whole "widescreen" splash page and other comic standards as Liefeld argued they did awhile ago, he missed one very important Image contribution that no one can deny isn't rightfully theirs:
the chicks with huge tits and no nipples.
there's no where to hide them in that get-up. they would be hanging out.
what have you done with the nipples, rob???

Hee hee hee hee hee. That made me laugh until I cried. I didn't even pick it up until you mentioned it, because I've become so accustomed to the discrepancy.

The size of saucers!

TonyFleecs
05-19-2005, 11:53 PM
Am I going to have to be the distasteful one who mentions the Camel Toe?

Flonk
05-20-2005, 12:10 AM
She a lot like a Michael Turner drawing to me. Yet one is (allegedly) a great artist, and one is crap :?

BWC Boston
05-20-2005, 12:23 AM
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0411/10/xf1.jpg
You know, by the Liefeld standards I'm accustomed to, that ain't bad.

TheTravis!
05-20-2005, 12:40 AM
God DAMN he sucks.

The-Last-Man
05-20-2005, 12:47 AM
I dont know how he continues to get work!

I draw better than this clown!*

*Not an actual fact*

Natty P, Scientific Adventurer
05-20-2005, 02:46 AM
I like his art.

Dread Pirate Wren
05-20-2005, 03:32 AM
She a lot like a Michael Turner drawing to me. Yet one is (allegedly) a great artist, and one is crap :?

I dislike Michael Turner's art and do not wish him well in his artistic endevours.

Olivier E.
05-20-2005, 03:36 AM
So big tits and such a small ass...



I dislike Michael Turner's art

+1 Rep point


and do not wish him well in his artistic endevours.

:no: There're some comic nerds who need their fix of barely legal comic teens

Dread Pirate Wren
05-20-2005, 03:42 AM
So big tits and such a small ass...

As a just over five foot tall, 20 (sexy) pounds over the accepted female weight, with little boobs type chick....I dislike this style of art...in an entierly unbiased and analytical sort of way.




+1 Rep point

*level up music*

YES!



:no: There're some comic nerds who need their fix of barely legal comic teens

Just because he serves a purpose doesn't mean I have to wish his artistic endevours well. Plauge serves a purpose and I don't wish its death endevours well either.

dougmac
05-20-2005, 04:07 AM
you should see his new Teen Titans art, it's awful.

ds9
05-20-2005, 04:13 AM
I know people get tired of "Liefeld bashing" but after seeing this I had to share it with someone. I don't have any particular dislike towards Liefeld or his art, but sometimes it's just fun to look at pictures he's done where the anatomy is so insanely awkward that you have to wonder why he didn't pull out the old eraser and correct it. This is probably the best example I've seen:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/coffeeman27/Cool%20Covers/Coven1Liefeld.jpg

Wow. Just wow. :o

The irony: I found it in a "favorite covers" thread at another message board. And they weren't kidding.Ok now what? Its not worse then the new xmen art that was thrown together during morrisons run. His art still moves unit no matter how much shit u throw at him.

Doug
05-20-2005, 04:38 AM
She a lot like a Michael Turner drawing to me. Yet one is (allegedly) a great artist, and one is crap :?

I don't like Michael Turner or Rob Liefeld's art. They are just not my style. To each his own, I say.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 04:58 AM
it isnt a matter of style, it is skill and talent and the unfortunate fact that rob liefeld has neither.

ds9
05-20-2005, 05:12 AM
it isnt a matter of style, it is skill and talent and the unfortunate fact that rob liefeld has neither.Says you.Fuck that its a matter of entertaining and selling units. This is not art class its comics.

Olivier E.
05-20-2005, 05:17 AM
it isnt a matter of style, it is skill and talent and the unfortunate fact that rob liefeld has neither.

Which most of the comic artists also don't have ;)

Dread Pirate Wren
05-20-2005, 05:19 AM
Says you.Fuck that its a matter of entertaining and selling units. This is not art class its comics.

*sniggers*

Units.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 05:20 AM
Says you.Fuck that its a matter of entertaining and selling units. This is not art class its comics.
i suppose it is too much to ask that the artists are at least competent at basic and necessary things like perspective, anatomy and composition.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 05:23 AM
Which most of the comic artists also don't have ;)
an opinion that i partially share :p. but man, liefeld is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

rumblegirl
05-20-2005, 05:23 AM
Says you.Fuck that its a matter of entertaining and selling units. This is not art class its comics.

oh please. even liefeld would argue with you on that. these guys devote their entire lives to this art form. yeah we all have our favorite artists and those we dislike, but it's obviously much more to all these artists then just shitting out some pictures and trying to sell it.

i think this whole love/hate for liefeld is just a reflection on how much things have changed since 90's era Image. People's art tastes change and this style isn't in vogue right now. People are looking for differnt things now in their comics.

ds9
05-20-2005, 05:37 AM
i suppose it is too much to ask that the artists are at least competent at basic and necessary things like perspective, anatomy and composition.thats all subjective with any artist.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 05:39 AM
thats all subjective with any artist.
worth is subjective, not skill level.

Matt Jay
05-20-2005, 05:41 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/coffeeman27/Cool%20Covers/Coven1Liefeld.jpg


Most. Vertebrae. Ever.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 05:43 AM
thats all subjective with any artist.
for example, if liefeld attempts to draw a cylinder in perspective and gets the degree of the elipse completely off, it isnt subjective. he did it wrong.
http://s112717707.onlinehome.us/xforce1.jpg

Corey A.
05-20-2005, 05:47 AM
Where's the feet? ;)
http://adlo.dreamers.com/weblog/capnekkid.jpg

ds9
05-20-2005, 05:53 AM
for example, if liefeld attempts to draw a cylinder in perspective and gets the degree of the elipse completely off, it isnt subjective. he did it wrong.
http://s112717707.onlinehome.us/xforce1.jpgSo what? He did it and it was bought.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 05:57 AM
So what? He did it and it was bought.
thats seriously your point of view? sales are all that is important?

Jim T.
05-20-2005, 06:01 AM
thats seriously your point of view? sales are all that is important?

I think his point is this bickering over details ultimately doesn't matter - Liefield has been very successful regardless of what people say - the numbers don't lie - more people (esp. in the 90's) liked what Liefield was doing than didn't. At the end of the day, Liefield will be remembered for his immediately recognizable style than the shape of an ellipse.

ds9
05-20-2005, 06:04 AM
thats seriously your point of view? sales are all that is important?No its that no matter how much you run to put down this mans art like he hit your momma or ate babies its not going to make it wrong for him to get work. If the majority of people dont want him in the industry then the people will leave his books on the stands and he will not be hired anymore by either dc or marvel. He only does super hero books that are nice little action packed stories like a summer block buster cop movie by arnold or bruce willis. Hes not destroying the industry or even dictating trends.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 06:05 AM
I think his point is this bickering over details ultimately doesn't matter - Liefield has been very successful regardless of what people say - the numbers don't lie - more people (esp. in the 90's) liked what Liefield was doing than didn't. At the end of the day, Liefield will be remembered for his immediately recognizable style than the shape of an ellipse.
and not remembered very fondly by a vast majority of people it seems. but whether it matters more than the fact that he sold comics once is a philosophical debate, and i hate those. :p

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 06:07 AM
No its that no matter how much you run to put down this mans art like he hit your momma or ate babies its not going to make it wrong for him to get work. If the majority of people dont want him in the industry then the people will leave his books on the stands and he will not be hired anymore by either dc or marvel. He only does super hero books that are nice little action packed stories like a summer block buster cop movie by arnold or bruce willis. Hes not destroying the industry or even dictating trends.
and just because you like it doesnt mean it is well done.

Corey A.
05-20-2005, 06:12 AM
http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=12401&highlight=Liefeld (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=12401&highlight=Liefeld)

Erik Larsen, mind you, disagrees:

"Having been ripped off, lied to and stabbed in the back by this individual, I'd really rather NOT be giving the fellow any more 'air time.' I'd prefer not to be reminded of his continued existence, frankly. If he's hit by a bus--let me know so I can go piss on his grave--otherwise, give it a rest."



NOTE: This post is completely ripped off from the fanboy rampage site.

ds9
05-20-2005, 06:13 AM
and just because you like it doesnt mean it is well done.Thats the thing im not even a fan of his work. I can take it or leave it. I just dont see where all the hate is coming from. Plus i doubt the majority of comic fans hate him.

Jim T.
05-20-2005, 06:13 AM
and not remembered very fondly by a vast majority of people it seems.

You can't really believe that the number of people like us going back and forth on this on the internet (or at conventions or at the LCS) is really greater than the number of people who bought his books in the 90's - can you? Don't get caught in the trap that seems to haunt the internet world - our numbers are not great when compared to the numbers of ordinary average comic book buyers who just buy books they like without knowing or caring about the 616 or Liefield's version of Capt. America. We're a tiny,tiny minority, esp. compared to the huge numbers of buyers in the 90's.

ds9
05-20-2005, 06:14 AM
http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=12401&highlight=Liefeld (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=12401&highlight=Liefeld)

Erik Larsen, mind you, disagrees:

"Having been ripped off, lied to and stabbed in the back by this individual, I'd really rather NOT be giving the fellow any more 'air time.' I'd prefer not to be reminded of his continued existence, frankly. If he's hit by a bus--let me know so I can go piss on his grave--otherwise, give it a rest."



NOTE: This post is completely ripped off from the fanboy rampage site.Thats one side of the story and Its still not a reason for you to hate him. Whatever shit went down was between those 2 men.

cory w
05-20-2005, 06:16 AM
You know, by the Liefeld standards I'm accustomed to, that ain't bad.

That's what I was gonna say...

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 06:18 AM
You can't really believe that the number of people like us going back and forth on this on the internet (or at conventions or at the LCS) is really greater than the number of people who bought his books in the 90's - can you? Don't get caught in the trap that seems to haunt the internet world - our numbers are not great when compared to the numbers of ordinary average comic book buyers who just buy books they like without knowing or caring about the 616 or Liefield's version of Capt. America. We're a tiny,tiny minority, esp. compared to the huge numbers of buyers in the 90's.
i converse with many more people than simply the bendis board or the lcs. and just because someone bought his books back in the 90s doesnt mean they especially liked his artwork or that they even still like it. i do understand that it is important not to have vision limited by the internet, but as far as art goes it is also important to not have your vision limited by our tiny and unhealthy industry.

ds9
05-20-2005, 06:20 AM
i converse with many more people than simply the bendis board or the lcs. and just because someone bought his books back in the 90s doesnt mean they especially liked his artwork or that they even still like it. i do understand that it is important not to have vision limited by the internet, but as far as art goes it is also important to not have your vision limited by our tiny and unhealthy industry.Are you saying its wrong for people to buy a book that he draws?

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 06:21 AM
Thats the thing im not even a fan of his work. I can take it or leave it. I just dont see where all the hate is coming from. Plus i doubt the majority of comic fans hate him.well, my dislike comes from the fact that his perspective is off, his anatomy is never constant and would prevent his characters from moving. among many compositional problems. the fact that he sold a few comics in the '90s or even if it was now means nothing to me. pet rocks sold a whole lot more, and pretty lame in my opinion.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 06:22 AM
Are you saying its wrong for people to buy a book that he draws?
no. like i said, what it is worth is subjective.

ds9
05-20-2005, 06:28 AM
well, my dislike comes from the fact that his perspective is off, his anatomy is never constant and would prevent his characters from moving. among many compositional problems. the fact that he sold a few comics in the '90s or even if it was now means nothing to me. pet rocks sold a whole lot more, and pretty lame in my opinion.Whats lame is running to show his art and posting how evil his is because of rumours and how bad his art is every couple of days. And i do it too about padding in comics but this liefield thing is like its personal and not just about his art or having feet on his pics. The worse that this man did to the public was not finishing his work and jumping to other shit. Other than that what else has he done to you or others who post how bad he is is?

joeAR
05-20-2005, 06:32 AM
This shit is getting rediculous now. It's one thing to dislike the guys art but every day I came on this board I see another thread about how bad is art is. Just form one thread and post everything in there. We all know his anatomy sucks that's nothing new.

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 06:33 AM
Whats lame is running to show his art and posting how evil his is because of rumours and how bad his art is every couple of days. And i do it too about padding in comics but this liefield thing is like its personal and not just about his art or having feet on his pics. The worse that this man did to the public was not finishing his work and jumping to other shit. Other than that what else has he done to you or others who post how bad he is is?lol, who said his work was evil? i dont know liefeld personally and he is a nice guy for all i know. but he is not a skilled artist. im not retaliating against him for doing something to me. why should i need some justification to point out that his perspective is wrong if it is wrong? should i not mention anything no matter how poorly done some art is just because the artist never stole my car or slapped me in the face?

JeremyDale
05-20-2005, 06:38 AM
I see your point, Wastrel, but I'm siding with ds9 here. There's nothing holding you back from expressing that view, but it's done DAILY in this industry, and it's getting old. Nothing new is expressed or contributed that hasn't already been said before-- and better.

So Rob isn't the best artist-- that's been covered. Move on, I say.

J

Wastrel
05-20-2005, 06:42 AM
I see your point, Wastrel, but I'm siding with ds9 here. There's nothing holding you back from expressing that view, but it's done DAILY in this industry, and it's getting old. Nothing new is expressed or contributed that hasn't already been said before-- and better.

So Rob isn't the best artist-- that's been covered. Move on, I say.

Jif doing things daily were a reason to not do them anymore, superhero books would have ended decades ago ;) . but just because you have heard a million rob liefeld discussions doesnt mean i have. sorry if my posts are not eloquent enough for you.

Flonk
05-20-2005, 06:43 AM
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0411/10/xf1.jpg


He looks like a flying squirrel :?

Corey A.
05-20-2005, 06:52 AM
Other than that what else has he done to you or others who post how bad he is is?

Ask Erik Larson. For some reason, he really has some pent up anger towards him. I personaly have seen Rob at cons. He gets HUGE waiting lines. For some reason, he's always away from the main floor in his own little area. I've heard that he is a very nice guy in person. I think that the the comic community as a whole is offend by some of his business decisions he made way back when. I think that's what makes him the 'bad boy' of the industry. I'm sure he's not the only one, but he's the one I think who was the most blatant about it.

innocentboy
05-20-2005, 01:55 PM
i like it. looks kinda wierd yeah, but it's more good than bad ... there's a lot worse out there ... but or course you might actually have to have a pair of balls to diss somebody that isn't safe to diss :)

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Thudpucker
05-20-2005, 01:59 PM
You're right. People get tired of "Liefeld bashing"

thatguylobo
05-20-2005, 02:02 PM
Liefeld goodness?

No such varmit.

Jerome Gibbons
05-20-2005, 02:06 PM
You know, by the Liefeld standards I'm accustomed to, that ain't bad.

Wolverine has no arm pits. His arms are just hooked into their sockets backwards.

As for the initial picture, when I first saw it (from top to bottom) I thought, hey, this doesn't look so bad...has a sort of Michael Turner-ish vibe to it. Then I got to the middle part of the woman's torso and it all went to crap.

Nick_Ardill
05-20-2005, 03:19 PM
I know people get tired of "Liefeld bashing" but after seeing this I had to share it with someone. I don't have any particular dislike towards Liefeld or his art, but sometimes it's just fun to look at pictures he's done where the anatomy is so insanely awkward that you have to wonder why he didn't pull out the old eraser and correct it. This is probably the best example I've seen:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/coffeeman27/Cool%20Covers/Coven1Liefeld.jpg

Wow. Just wow. :o

The irony: I found it in a "favorite covers" thread at another message board. And they weren't kidding.

What is with the weird gloves he puts on all of his characters?
And REALLY the waist would snap in half. I know I'm not the greatest artist in the world and my anatomy may be off sometimes but honestly, it wouldn't kill Liefeld to crack open a medical book or use some photo reference sometime. If he did his art may be just tolerable as opposed to eyebleedingly painful.

I will admit the Wolverine though is sort of decent.
EDIT: I retract that former statement about Wolverine. God its crap. It looks like someone put Wolverine's arms on backwards.

Nick_Ardill
05-20-2005, 03:32 PM
Would Liefeld get a job in comics today if he was just starting out? I mean really, most editors would look at his stuff if he was eighteen and new to the business and say he has to go back to the drawing board, re-learn the basics, and come back in a couple of months when he has it down. Liefeld got his break in a time in comics when flash and muscles sold, the market was stagnent. They weren't looking for artist who could draw, they were looking for artist who could draw guys with neck muscle's twice the width of their head and women with tits eight times the size of their waist. The only reason he still gets jobs (when he can actually finish an issue) is because he still has the fan base from his old Image days and that a book is "contraversial" if he draws it, but I dare you to re-read the issues of X-Force, and Youngblood and Cable that he wrote and drew and you'll find they are a big cause of the stigma that is labeled with superhero (if not the whole medium) in general. And I don't peg this squarely on him, Silvestri, McFarland, Steve Platt, Chap Yaep, Jim Lee (Whos art I love, but will whole heartedly admit) are all contributors to that horrible faze in comics when you couldn't move an issue unless it had 20 chromium nude variant covers of "BLOODKILLER AND THE WILD COMMANDO'S". Liefeld would never get a job in comics today.

Victor Cabanelas
05-20-2005, 05:22 PM
I agree, Ordained

Jacob Lyon Goddard
05-20-2005, 05:32 PM
i look at that and i see 90% of superhero comic illustrations since 1985, don't know why you all gang up on this guy

NickT
05-20-2005, 05:33 PM
i look at that and i see 90% of superhero comic illustrations since 1985, don't know why you all gang up on this guy
Yeah but that makes you look bad, not us.

Jerome Gibbons
05-20-2005, 05:37 PM
Yeah but that makes you look bad, not us.

Hah.

andrew french
05-20-2005, 06:28 PM
i remember the last time this was argued, maybe a month ago, people brought up the infamous BOOB captain america. and someone brought up the point, every artist has some pretty bad panels here or there, and i agreed.

but, i was reading a MARVEL comic very recently, from the later 90's, and it had a spotlight on liefield, and had THAT captain america drawing as his teaser art. it was blown up to like 3 feet and sitting behind him. so, if he ushered in that kind of crappy anatomy, i don't think i like his art. and also, i remember seeing that kind of stuff when i was 7 or whatnot, and really not liking it then.

Brian Defferding
05-20-2005, 07:01 PM
Am I going to have to be the distasteful one who mentions the Camel Toe?

Yes. Yes you are. :p

The Robot Lord of Tokyo
05-20-2005, 07:01 PM
Best way to look at Liefeld is that he was the Zubaz of the comic industry back in the 90's. Alot of people bought his stuff and thought it was cool but their tastes changed and when they look back at it they remember why it's in the corner of their closets. Sometimes you might pull his stuff out and look at it nowadays but most of the time you'll just laugh why everybody bought it.......

Nick_Ardill
05-20-2005, 07:42 PM
I think there is a lot of cynisism towards Liefeld because of the resurgance of the industries want to produce better quality books (Thats not to say that all the companies are putting out all quality books *COUGH* IDENTITY DISC *COUGH*). Liefeld represents that awkward phase we all went through and would like to forget. He's like a pimple when you're thirty.

moonspider
05-20-2005, 07:49 PM
wow....where are her ribs?
and no nipples....that and boy does the guy suck at anatomy

Nick_Ardill
05-20-2005, 07:52 PM
Well I found at least one of her nipples but I don't think its what you expect. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/FaranKreeg/hairy_nipple.gifAnd really don't ask about the Camel Toe...(shudder)

moonspider
05-20-2005, 07:54 PM
Well I found at least one of her nipples but I don't think its what you expect. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/FaranKreeg/hairy_nipple.gifAnd really don't ask about the Camel Toe...(shudder)

:hipnotized:

what is it? you want me to what? milk you? but, there people watching here? well...what, ask goddard to do it...okay

BWC Boston
05-20-2005, 08:44 PM
Wolverine has no arm pits. His arms are just hooked into their sockets backwards.

As for the initial picture, when I first saw it (from top to bottom) I thought, hey, this doesn't look so bad...has a sort of Michael Turner-ish vibe to it. Then I got to the middle part of the woman's torso and it all went to crap.
Well, yeah, but

by the Liefeld standards I'm accustomed to, that ain't bad.

ds9
05-21-2005, 03:34 AM
I think there is a lot of cynisism towards Liefeld because of the resurgance of the industries want to produce better quality books (Thats not to say that all the companies are putting out all quality books *COUGH* IDENTITY DISC *COUGH*). Liefeld represents that awkward phase we all went through and would like to forget. He's like a pimple when you're thirty.Forget what? The guy drew fucking comic books that as kids we enjoyd alot and some still do. I dont see the fucking problem with it. People are taking this way too seriously.

chrisfasowned
05-21-2005, 07:01 AM
it's all WIZARD's fault. blame the media! WIZARD shoved image down our throats in the early nineties and we ate it up. we put rob in the position he's in, we made him famous and we made him an artistic martyr. sure, i've dissed rob's stuff before, but hell, i owned tons of his early image work and his original run on x-force. he's hit or miss, he has the potential to be really good, but i think he cops out a lot b/c we, as a reading populace, don't expect excellence from him. if i went to work and no one expected me to do a good job and i didn't do one, yet i kept my job, i'd keep pissing around b/c, hey, i'm still getting paid.
there's a stigma attached to rob but it works in his favor. rob's stuff sells b/c it has his name attached to it. it's like rubbernecking an automobile accident.

twigglet
05-21-2005, 07:09 AM
i look at that and i see 90% of superhero comic illustrations since 1985, don't know why you all gang up on this guy

How come? Most of the superhero art nowadays is pretty damn good.

joeAR
05-21-2005, 08:02 AM
How come? Most of the superhero art nowadays is pretty damn good.


Goddard isn't known for likin superhero comics in the first place so his opinion about the art in sueprhero comics could be biased

Jacob Lyon Goddard
05-21-2005, 09:28 AM
Goddard isn't known for likin superhero comics in the first place so his opinion about the art in sueprhero comics could be biased
i'll admit that i don't have the most refined eye when it comes to this stuff

Jerome Gibbons
05-21-2005, 09:52 AM
Forget what? The guy drew fucking comic books that as kids we enjoyd alot and some still do. I dont see the fucking problem with it. People are taking this way too seriously.

Oh, sweet irony.