I have to fire someone today (sexually harassed and assaulted)

[Masculine Todd]

So I'm a student manager at one of the local dining commons on campus. It one of the two jobs I hold down (as well as the library). Today, I'm managing for the first time this semester and this girl who has been notorious for being disruptive and having a "diva-esque" attitude came to work an hour late.

Now, if one arrives to work more than twenty-nine minutes tardy, then it's considered an unexcused absence. I come to her and politely ask her to follow me to the back office (for discussing matters of write-ups and disciplinary action in front of peers and customers is wildly inappropriate and unprofessional). She refuses and announced, rather loudly "I know what you're going to do, and if you have something to say, you can say it in front of my friends (her "posse" also work the produce/deli station)."

I try to be diplomatic and state that, if she comes with me, we might be able to work our way around a write-up and go to a verbal warning and discussion. She refuses. Also of note: I didn't become a student manager until late spring semester, meaning I worked almost two years at the dining commons as a regular student employee. Moreover, I had worked with our "diva" on a regular station as peers for almost a year, and she, as many do when one gains the SM position, resents having to listen to me in a directorial position.

She begins to shout that "you ain't shit, I worked with you before and a name tag and a tie mean nothing." I, again trying to keep my cool, ask her gently to discuss how I could have handled this more appropriately with me in the back office. She again refuses and then says "I heard you suck dick. Why should I have to be told what to do by a fag?!!"

I'm floored. I've never seen much homophobia on campus before. We're all reasonably educated, liberal, and enlightened people. As enraged and hurt that she would say such a hateful thing, I told her that she just engaged in a rather distressing sexual slur against me, which could lead to her immediate termination (which isn't a lie, because I could have fired her on the spot at that moment, save for about half an hour of paperwork) but, again in the name of diplomacy (and not wanting to fire anyone on the first day back and only my fourth shift as a student manager overall), I again tried to get her to escort me to the back office for the initial write-up. Her retort was "I'll just say you called me a [n word...she's black]."

I was immediately frightened about the situation, and customers were gathering around the produce/deli station to witness the drama firsthand. "I'm going to have to report this to Jami [my director] and she won't believe I was acting racist." So diva eventually complies and follows me to the office. She tears up the "write up" sheet she was intended to sign. I hand her over to Jen and explain what happened. I then was to leave the room so "diva" could express her side without my interference to Jami.

I come back ten minutes later to discuss this with Jami only. I'm somewhat nervous when I enter and see Jami laughing. "Yeah, so she tried to say you sexually harassed her and made advances toward her." Jami obviously knows I'm gay. My fearless director proceeded to exclaim that "I take your word for and she's to be terminated."

So I have to go back to the station, get "diva" and take her back to the conference rooms past the kitchen and back office. I sit her down and explain to her everything and why she's being let go. Her response? She punches me in the FUCKING FACE and storms off yelling "fuck this place, fuck that fag" at the top of her lungs repeatedly as she exits the facility.

Yeah. First firing ever. I hated it, even though I despised that girl.

[c. page]

So I'm a student manager at one of the local dining commons on campus. It one of the two jobs I hold down (as well as the library). Today, I'm managing for the first time this semester and this girl who has been notorious for being disruptive and having a "diva-esque" attitude came to work an hour late.

Now, if one arrives to work more than twenty-nine minutes tardy, then it's considered an unexcused absence. I come to her and politely ask her to follow me to the back office (for discussing matters of write-ups and disciplinary action in front of peers and customers is wildly inappropriate and unprofessional). She refuses and announced, rather loudly "I know what you're going to do, and if you have something to say, you can say it in front of my friends (her "posse" also work the produce/deli station)."

I try to be diplomatic and state that, if she comes with me, we might be able to work our way around a write-up and go to a verbal warning and discussion. She refuses. Also of note: I didn't become a student manager until late spring semester, meaning I worked almost two years at the dining commons as a regular student employee. Moreover, I had worked with our "diva" on a regular station as peers for almost a year, and she, as many do when one gains the SM position, resents having to listen to me in a directorial position.

She begins to shout that "you ain't shit, I worked with you before and a name tag and a tie mean nothing." I, again trying to keep my cool, ask her gently to discuss how I could have handled this more appropriately with me in the back office. She again refuses and then says "I heard you suck dick. Why should I have to be told what to do by a fag?!!"

I'm floored. I've never seen much homophobia on campus before. We're all reasonably educated, liberal, and enlightened people. As enraged and hurt that she would say such a hateful thing, I told her that she just engaged in a rather distressing sexual slur against me, which could lead to her immediate termination (which isn't a lie, because I could have fired her on the spot at that moment, save for about half an hour of paperwork) but, again in the name of diplomacy (and not wanting to fire anyone on the first day back and only my fourth shift as a student manager overall), I again tried to get her to escort me to the back office for the initial write-up. Her retort was "I'll just say you called me a [n word...she's black]."

I was immediately frightened about the situation, and customers were gathering around the produce/deli station to witness the drama firsthand. "I'm going to have to report this to Jami [my director] and she won't believe I was acting racist." So diva eventually complies and follows me to the office. She tears up the "write up" sheet she was intended to sign. I hand her over to Jen and explain what happened. I then was to leave the room so "diva" could express her side without my interference to Jami.

I come back ten minutes later to discuss this with Jami only. I'm somewhat nervous when I enter and see Jami laughing. "Yeah, so she tried to say you sexually harassed her and made advances toward her." Jami obviously knows I'm gay. My fearless director proceeded to exclaim that "I take your word for and she's to be terminated."

So I have to go back to the station, get "diva" and take her back to the conference rooms past the kitchen and back office. I sit her down and explain to her everything and why she's being let go. Her response? She punches me in the FUCKING FACE and storms off yelling "fuck this place, fuck that fag" at the top of her lungs repeatedly as she exits the facility.

Yeah. First firing ever. I hated it, even though I despised that girl.

you could probably get her on a hate crime, if you wanted to. between her punching you and repeatedly calling you a fag, you'd have a pretty good case.

[Masculine Todd]

you could probably get her on a hate crime, if you wanted to. between her punching you and repeatedly calling you a fag, you'd have a pretty good case.

I truly don't know if I want to pursue the whole situation yet.

[SeanC]

But how was your first day otherwise?

[Olivier E.]

You're a jerk. what did you want to do with her in the conference room? Nasty boy.


I hope it didn't hurt. :heart:

[chazbot]

Wow, guess it's hard for her to understand things like responsibility and how her idiocy and jerk nature affects the actual lives of others as well as the impression cast on the dining services.
But don't feel bad, she'll probably have an STD before the semester is out.

[artimoff]

So I have to go back to the station, get "diva" and take her back to the conference rooms past the kitchen and back office. I sit her down and explain to her everything and why she's being let go. Her response? She punches me in the FUCKING FACE and storms off yelling "fuck this place, fuck that fag" at the top of her lungs repeatedly as she exits the facility.

Yeah. First firing ever. I hated it, even though I despised that girl.

File assault charges ASAP.

[artimoff]

Her retort was "I'll just say you called me a [n word...she's black].

Somehow, I had already assumed that.

[Masculine Todd]

But how was your first day otherwise?

Actually, very smooth. A lot of patrons/students go home for the extended labor day weekend, so it was quite desolate and relaxing.


You're a jerk. what did you want to do with her in the conference room? Nasty boy.


I hope it didn't hurt. :heart:

Oooh. She punches like a champ. My jaw is swolen.


Wow, guess it's hard for her to understand things like responsibility and how her idiocy and jerk nature affects the actual lives of others as well as the impression cast on the dining services.
But don't feel bad, she'll probably have an STD before the semester is out.

Ironically, she's called me an "STD Monster" for being gay when we used to work together (found that out later when a fellow student told me what she would say behind my back). I don't get this kind of person.


Somehow, I had already assumed that.

I don't want to come across as hateful or un-PC, but she was the most stereotypical person I've ever met.

[artimoff]

I don't want to come across as hateful or un-PC, but she was the most stereotypical person I've ever met.



:nodidnt:

[SeanC]

Ironically, she's called me an "STD Monster" for being gay when we used to work together (found that out later when a fellow student told me what she would say behind my back). I don't get this kind of person. .

It boggles my mind that there are still homophobic people out there, especially in Toronto. And in college??

[Pat Loika]

File assault charges ASAP.

He's right, Todd. You can't let this sort of thing linger.

P.

[Masculine Todd]

It boggles my mind that there are still homophobic people out there, especially in Toronto. And in college??

Well, I'm currently attending college in Michigan, Mount Pleasant to be exact. It's a small little community around the northern regions of the state and surrounded by small, rural towns that are notorious for their rather conservative and extremely racist perspective. It usually doesn't filter into the campus, but apparently, it has.

[VitoDGK]

this girl is a student?

plz file charges though

[Masculine Todd]

He's right, Todd. You can't let this sort of thing linger.

P.

How do I file assualt charges? Jami (my director) had me fill out an accident release form excusing the college of any ability to sue (not that I'd want to) and I was to report to a clinic on the commons dollar (nothing's broken, just a swollen jaw that hurts tremendously).

Jami strongly suggested I visit the campus police office and file charges, but it just seems so harsh considering I'll never see her again. I'm conflicted. I really don't want her arrested over this. I'd much rather she find some sort of understanding and tolerance, but I know this will not happen.

[c. page]

How do I file assualt charges? Jami (my director) had me fill out an accident release form excusing the college of any ability to sue (not that I'd want to) and I was to report to a clinic on the commons dollar (nothing's broken, just a swollen jaw that hurts tremendously).

Jami strongly suggested I visit the campus police office and file charges, but it just seems so harsh considering I'll never see her again. I'm conflicted. I really don't want her arrested over this. I'd much rather she find some sort of understanding and tolerance, but I know this will not happen.

file charges.

she needs to learn responsibility for her actions, and not that she can just go around punching people.

[chazbot]

How do I file assualt charges? Jami (my director) had me fill out an accident release form excusing the college of any ability to sue (not that I'd want to) and I was to report to a clinic on the commons dollar (nothing's broken, just a swollen jaw that hurts tremendously).

Jami strongly suggested I visit the campus police office and file charges, but it just seems so harsh considering I'll never see her again. I'm conflicted. I really don't want her arrested over this. I'd much rather she find some sort of understanding and tolerance, but I know this will not happen.

Yeh, but she won't learn that there are consequences to her irrational actions if you don't go and inform campus police.

[Masculine Todd]

file charges.

she needs to learn responsibility for her actions, and not that she can just go around punching people.

I'll make a stop after my library shift, I suppose. I truly hate doing that, but you guys are right.

[Beep Beep!]

How do I file assualt charges? Jami (my director) had me fill out an accident release form excusing the college of any ability to sue (not that I'd want to) and I was to report to a clinic on the commons dollar (nothing's broken, just a swollen jaw that hurts tremendously).

Jami strongly suggested I visit the campus police office and file charges, but it just seems so harsh considering I'll never see her again. I'm conflicted. I really don't want her arrested over this. I'd much rather she find some sort of understanding and tolerance, but I know this will not happen.Your boss answered your question. You file charges by signing a police report. You should have been on the phone to your campus police department before this hag even left the building. Now you may have to explain why you waited. DON'T BE CONFLICTED. SHE HAS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ACTIONS. Some people have to hit rock bottom before they wake up to reality, and she is obviously one of those people. Please, go to the campus police office, before your swelling goes down, so they can take a picture of you and include it with the police report. Power down your computer, pick up your keys and GO NOW.

[evophile]

How do I file assualt charges? Jami (my director) had me fill out an accident release form excusing the college of any ability to sue (not that I'd want to) and I was to report to a clinic on the commons dollar (nothing's broken, just a swollen jaw that hurts tremendously).

Jami strongly suggested I visit the campus police office and file charges, but it just seems so harsh considering I'll never see her again. I'm conflicted. I really don't want her arrested over this. I'd much rather she find some sort of understanding and tolerance, but I know this will not happen.

dude you're waaay too nice! I usually just lurk, but I've read about the all the shit you've put up with where you work. i don't know how you do it.

Hang in there, and yeah it'd probably be better to file charges fast too. A girl like this, at this point in her life will probably never learn.

Were there any witnesses to the punching?

[Masculine Todd]

Please, go to the campus police office, before your swelling goes down, so they can take a picture of you and include it with the police report. Power down your computer, pick up your keys and GO NOW.

I can't leave right now. I'm now pulling a six-hour at the campus library. Hopefully, the swelling will stay before the end of my shift (what an odd thing to hope for). Thanks for the advise, though.

[lonesomefool]

I agree with the filing charges part. Look, chances are she will NEVER like Gay people, I mean at this point in her life it may be too late for her to change, but she needs to learn basic social rules, even if she doesnt like Gay people she cannot go around punching them and harassing them.

[SeanC]

You should of taken the punch, wiped your jaw and said, "Oh......it's gone from a scene.....to an god damn arms race?" and clocked her.

[Masculine Todd]

dude you're waaay too nice! I usually just lurk, but I've read about the all the shit you've put up with where you work. i don't know how you do it.

Hang in there, and yeah it'd probably be better to file charges fast too. A girl like this, at this point in her life will probably never learn.

Were there any witnesses to the punching?

Jami witnessed the assualt in question.

I've been raised by homophobic foster parents and brought up in a high school that hated the idea of being "gay." You either wallow in hate or adjust and become forgiving. I chose the later.

[changingshades]

so you're pressing charges right?

[Masculine Todd]

You should of taken the punch, wiped your jaw and said, "Oh......it's gone from a scene.....to an god damn arms race?" and clocked her.

:rofl:

Priceless.

[changingshades]

But how was your first day otherwise?

:D

:thumb:

[Pat Loika]

Jami strongly suggested I visit the campus police office and file charges, but it just seems so harsh considering I'll never see her again. I'm conflicted. I really don't want her arrested over this. I'd much rather she find some sort of understanding and tolerance, but I know this will not happen.

File charges. This sort of behavior is UNACCEPTABLE, and people won't learn unless they realize anything and everything they do will have repercussions.

P.

[Albert]

That sucks. This will cheer you up. It always cheers me up.

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/morrissey_4.jpg

[Masculine Todd]

so you're pressing charges right?

I suppose. After work though, I can't leave my shift. I came straight from my shift at the dining commons to the library to do my usual check in/greeter job.

[lonesomefool]

Jami witnessed the assualt in question.

I've been raised by homophobic foster parents and brought up in a high school that hated the idea of being "gay." You either wallow in hate or adjust and become forgiving. I chose the later.

I can see forgiving her if she just called you names, but she punched you. That's stepping over the line.

[Beep Beep!]

I can't leave right now. I'm now pulling a six-hour at the campus library. Hopefully, the swelling will stay before the end of my shift (what an odd thing to hope for). Thanks for the advise, though.
Does your phone have a camera? Or somebody you work with? Take a picture of yourself now, (and make sure the date/time-stamp function is turned on) just in case.

[Masculine Todd]

That sucks. This will cheer you up. It always cheers me up.

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/morrissey_4.jpg

Thanks Albert. Shirtless Morrissey makes anything better. I'm pretty sure the cure for cancer lies under Morrissey's shirts.

[chazbot]

I can see forgiving her if she just called you names, but she punched you. That's stepping over the line.

Exactly. She punched you because she fucked up. You weren't seeking her out, she was ignoring her job responsibilities and aggresively tried to bully you instead of owning up to her own fuck up.

[Masculine Todd]

Does your phone have a camera? Or somebody you work with? Take a picture of yourself now, (and make sure the date/time-stamp function is turned on) just in case.

Oh, we took some time-stamped Polaroids at work that I have with me. We needed some for the accident report. Jami insisted I take a few with me to show to the police.

[changingshades]

How do I file assualt charges? Jami (my director) had me fill out an accident release form excusing the college of any ability to sue (not that I'd want to) and I was to report to a clinic on the commons dollar (nothing's broken, just a swollen jaw that hurts tremendously).

Jami strongly suggested I visit the campus police office and file charges, but it just seems so harsh considering I'll never see her again. I'm conflicted. I really don't want her arrested over this. I'd much rather she find some sort of understanding and tolerance, but I know this will not happen.

I wouldn't assume that. It sounds like she's just "ghetto" enough to come back and try to do something. And if not with you then to someone else.

[Shepherd]

File assault charges ASAP.

What he said.

R

[Ray G.]

Heh. The dumb bitch handed you everything you need to ruin her life.

Follow everyone else's advice, file charges, and then, if you want, once she has it explained to her exactly what "felony hate crime" means, and she starts to think just how tough she'll be in women's prison, THEN, if you want, you can drop the charges or try to work out some sort of deal with the officials. But you need to make the homophobic bitch squirm.

[changingshades]

I can't leave right now. I'm now pulling a six-hour at the campus library. Hopefully, the swelling will stay before the end of my shift (what an odd thing to hope for). Thanks for the advise, though.

can't you have them come over while you're working?

[Beep Beep!]

Get a restraining order, if she does anything stupid. Then sue her in small claims court for your legal fees. Make her life hell.

[Sackhead]

Also, that's not simply assault. That's battery. But they could probably determine that at the station.

[Masculine Todd]

can't you have them come over while you're working?

Only if there is an assualt or disturbence occuring in or around the library recently. This is something I'll have to take up with them later.

[Masculine Todd]

Get a restraining order, if she does anything stupid. Then sue her in small claims court for your legal fees. Make her life hell.

That's the thing, I've never seen her outside the dining commons. I have no classes with her, I've never been in the same place on campus as her, I've only ever seen her while working with her. I don't know how she'd find me.

[bradical]

I truly don't know if I want to pursue the whole situation yet.

don't. stay above it.

that is some crazy shit though.

[changingshades]

That's the thing, I've never seen her outside the dining commons. I have no classes with her, I've never been in the same place on campus as her, I've only ever seen her while working with her. I don't know how she'd find me.

wait for you outside work

still, that shit is not cool and she needs to understand that

[Beep Beep!]

That's the thing, I've never seen her outside the dining commons. I have no classes with her, I've never been in the same place on campus as her, I've only ever seen her while working with her. I don't know how she'd find me.
She could easily follow you home from your work. And if she has any friends on the staff of the dining hall, do those people know where you live? And, I don't want to discourage you from pressing charges, but if she's smart she can get a copy of the police report and will have access to any information on it. But she's probably not bright enough to figure that out.

[Foolish Mortal]

He's right, Todd. You can't let this sort of thing linger.

P.
Agreed. File charges. She's a dumb, stuck-up bitch who needs to be taught a lesson about acting like a civilized adult.

[bradical]

you guys are stoking the fire here. can't see where she'd be out to get you, she already did. she punched you in the face and called you names. she probably thinks she won. outside of making sure you've gotten the happenings on written record with the boss, i'd say your good. you handled it like a pro, stayed above it. stay above now. course, if she does come after you, put that chick in the clink and tell us all about it.

[Foolish Mortal]

you guys are stoking the fire here. can't see where she'd be out to get you, she already did. she punched you in the face and called you names. she probably thinks she won. outside of making sure you've gotten the happenings on written record with the boss, i'd say your good. you handled it like a pro, stayed above it. stay above now. course, if she does come after you, put that chick in the clink and tell us all about it.
Adults don't get to punch other adults in the face and not expect consequences.

[Beep Beep!]

Adults don't get to punch other adults in the face and not expect consequences.Ditto. That bitch would be SO sorry by the time I got through with her. . .

[bradical]

Adults don't get to punch other adults in the face and not expect consequences.

i get that. in my experience though, cops only make things worse in cases like this. with the incident on file with his job, it means it's on file with the college, which means it's going to follow her for her entire time there. she'll never get another college affliated job again, among other things.

[Gunter]

I'm going to echo and say file charges and get a restraining order.

Sometimes people think they're untouchable. They need to learn.

[NATE!]

lol pwnt

[lonesomefool]

i get that. in my experience though, cops only make things worse in cases like this. with the incident on file with his job, it means it's on file with the college, which means it's going to follow her for her entire time there. she'll never get another college affliated job again, among other things.

I can see how she might be out to get him, but I dont think Todd or anyone else should give a shit if she can or cannot get another job at the college. No one is stopping her from working at the mall or another business.

[Mister Mets]

Wow.

You handled that well.

Incidentally, her being an idiot had nothing to do with her not being "reasonably educated, liberal, and enlightened" (although I could tell she definitely wasn't two of those.)

[Masculine Todd]

Wow.

You handled that well.

Incidentally, her being an idiot had nothing to do with her not being "reasonably educated, liberal, and enlightened" (although I could tell she definitely wasn't two of those.)

I don't know, I truly feel that if you're a bit more "liberal and enlightened," you have no problem wiht homosexuality. I don't think me being gay was the issue though. She doesn't like being corrected or told what to do. Simple. So you're right, in that sense.

[Bedlam66]

So I'm a student manager at one of the local dining commons on campus. It one of the two jobs I hold down (as well as the library). Today, I'm managing for the first time this semester and this girl who has been notorious for being disruptive and having a "diva-esque" attitude came to work an hour late.

Now, if one arrives to work more than twenty-nine minutes tardy, then it's considered an unexcused absence. I come to her and politely ask her to follow me to the back office (for discussing matters of write-ups and disciplinary action in front of peers and customers is wildly inappropriate and unprofessional). She refuses and announced, rather loudly "I know what you're going to do, and if you have something to say, you can say it in front of my friends (her "posse" also work the produce/deli station)."

I try to be diplomatic and state that, if she comes with me, we might be able to work our way around a write-up and go to a verbal warning and discussion. She refuses. Also of note: I didn't become a student manager until late spring semester, meaning I worked almost two years at the dining commons as a regular student employee. Moreover, I had worked with our "diva" on a regular station as peers for almost a year, and she, as many do when one gains the SM position, resents having to listen to me in a directorial position.

She begins to shout that "you ain't shit, I worked with you before and a name tag and a tie mean nothing." I, again trying to keep my cool, ask her gently to discuss how I could have handled this more appropriately with me in the back office. She again refuses and then says "I heard you suck dick. Why should I have to be told what to do by a fag?!!"

I'm floored. I've never seen much homophobia on campus before. We're all reasonably educated, liberal, and enlightened people. As enraged and hurt that she would say such a hateful thing, I told her that she just engaged in a rather distressing sexual slur against me, which could lead to her immediate termination (which isn't a lie, because I could have fired her on the spot at that moment, save for about half an hour of paperwork) but, again in the name of diplomacy (and not wanting to fire anyone on the first day back and only my fourth shift as a student manager overall), I again tried to get her to escort me to the back office for the initial write-up. Her retort was "I'll just say you called me a [n word...she's black]."

I was immediately frightened about the situation, and customers were gathering around the produce/deli station to witness the drama firsthand. "I'm going to have to report this to Jami [my director] and she won't believe I was acting racist." So diva eventually complies and follows me to the office. She tears up the "write up" sheet she was intended to sign. I hand her over to Jen and explain what happened. I then was to leave the room so "diva" could express her side without my interference to Jami.

I come back ten minutes later to discuss this with Jami only. I'm somewhat nervous when I enter and see Jami laughing. "Yeah, so she tried to say you sexually harassed her and made advances toward her." Jami obviously knows I'm gay. My fearless director proceeded to exclaim that "I take your word for and she's to be terminated."

So I have to go back to the station, get "diva" and take her back to the conference rooms past the kitchen and back office. I sit her down and explain to her everything and why she's being let go. Her response? She punches me in the FUCKING FACE and storms off yelling "fuck this place, fuck that fag" at the top of her lungs repeatedly as she exits the facility.

Yeah. First firing ever. I hated it, even though I despised that girl.
Well I'm sorry she Punched you in the face and called you a fag but you didn't fire her that Other girl did. Stop trying to be so nice and anti Conflict. You just Stood there and took WAY too much Abuse from that bitch. Next time someone treats you like this and your their boss just fire them on the Spot.

[RebootedCorpse]

Punched in the face for trying to be a decent guy. Ain't life grand?
Sorry about that, dude, she sucks.

[bradical]

I can see how she might be out to get him, but I dont think Todd or anyone else should give a shit if she can or cannot get another job at the college. No one is stopping her from working at the mall or another business.

i imagine the college is the large employer in such a small town, so it'll matter to her, but that's not really my point, if i even have any.

i just think it's a waste of time to involve the police in such petty matters. their time and yours. no one was hurt, she's gone, probably feeling like a winner even though she's clearly not, and todd got a pretty good story of a chick completely embarrassing herself and him being cool all the way. call the cops on her, and it becomes a deal. the chick who thought she won now has a reason to get back at ya, and that's how cycles begin.

imo, it's over. it's on record with the u, and unless she comes back at todd, then it's done.

[Beep Beep!]

i imagine the college is the large employer in such a small town, so it'll matter to her, but that's not really my point, if i even have any.

i just think it's a waste of time to involve the police in such petty matters. their time and yours. no one was hurt, she's gone, probably feeling like a winner even though she's clearly not, and todd got a pretty good story of a chick completely embarrassing herself and him being cool all the way. call the cops on her, and it becomes a deal. the chick who thought she won now has a reason to get back at ya, and that's how cycles begin.

imo, it's over. it's on record with the u, and unless she comes back at todd, then it's done.It's not petty.

Yes, it's on the record with the University's personnel dept, but not with law enforcement. SHE ASSAULTED HIM. That's a crime.

[AAlgar]

See, now... this is actually being the victim of a bias attack.

[bradical]

See, now... this is actually being the victim of a bias attack.

i know. they're all against me.

[Masculine Todd]

See, now... this is actually being the victim of a bias attack.

Aren't you the guy who hates the gays?
Just kiddin' AAlgernaut. :smile:

[Taxman]

See, now... this is actually being the victim of a bias attack.The person Todd fired was Brian S. ? :?

[Masculine Todd]

The person Todd fired was Brian S. ? :?

I fired Brian Boru.

[bradical]

I fired Brian Boru.

he resigned.

[Magnum V.I.]

I fired Brian Boru.

I thought he Resigned?

[bradical]

I thought he Resigned?

face.

[Magnum V.I.]

face.

*pulls out balls*

Sack! :D!

[AAlgar]

he resigned.

He handed in his resignation letter.

[Magnum V.I.]

He handed in his resignation letter.

So why was he so depressed?

[AAlgar]

Aren't you the guy who hates the gays?
Just kiddin' AAlgernaut. :smile:

Seriously, too many words. But since you're joking, I assume you're okay. Which is good.

[chazbot]

How's the jaw feeling now, Toddy?

[Hate_Prime]

Wow. Really, some people's children...

I wonder what would have happened if you were Keith P.

Probably the same but with more tears and projectile iced tea bottles.

It's like some of you bendis boarders live in a british sitcom.

[greg donovan]

at least she didnt punch you in the balls.

[Masculine Todd]

Seriously, too many words. But since you're joking, I assume you're okay. Which is good.

I'm okay. A little annoyed. In slight pain (her fists are not unlike what I'd imagine adamantium to be like if it were a real metal). Frazzled, but still gorgeous.


How's the jaw feeling now, Toddy?

...

Remember that time I made a really snarky comment and aimed it at your direction? No? Pretend I just did. "Toddy." *thinks of every single ex who called him that and shudders*


at least she didnt punch you in the balls.


Yeah, it's weird. I haven't randomly been knocked in the testicles by misguided children, frat guys, or old women in months. It's odd.

[chazbot]

...

Remember that time I made a really snarky comment and aimed it at your direction? No? Pretend I just did. "Toddy." *thinks of every single ex who called him that and shudders*


Remember how you had a crappy afternoon, and we were all being concerned? ;)

It was probably only the really awesome exes who called you that, anyways.

[Ryudo]

So I'm a student manager at one of the local dining commons on campus. It one of the two jobs I hold down (as well as the library). Today, I'm managing for the first time this semester and this girl who has been notorious for being disruptive and having a "diva-esque" attitude came to work an hour late.

Now, if one arrives to work more than twenty-nine minutes tardy, then it's considered an unexcused absence. I come to her and politely ask her to follow me to the back office (for discussing matters of write-ups and disciplinary action in front of peers and customers is wildly inappropriate and unprofessional). She refuses and announced, rather loudly "I know what you're going to do, and if you have something to say, you can say it in front of my friends (her "posse" also work the produce/deli station)."

I try to be diplomatic and state that, if she comes with me, we might be able to work our way around a write-up and go to a verbal warning and discussion. She refuses. Also of note: I didn't become a student manager until late spring semester, meaning I worked almost two years at the dining commons as a regular student employee. Moreover, I had worked with our "diva" on a regular station as peers for almost a year, and she, as many do when one gains the SM position, resents having to listen to me in a directorial position.

She begins to shout that "you ain't shit, I worked with you before and a name tag and a tie mean nothing." I, again trying to keep my cool, ask her gently to discuss how I could have handled this more appropriately with me in the back office. She again refuses and then says "I heard you suck dick. Why should I have to be told what to do by a fag?!!"

I'm floored. I've never seen much homophobia on campus before. We're all reasonably educated, liberal, and enlightened people. As enraged and hurt that she would say such a hateful thing, I told her that she just engaged in a rather distressing sexual slur against me, which could lead to her immediate termination (which isn't a lie, because I could have fired her on the spot at that moment, save for about half an hour of paperwork) but, again in the name of diplomacy (and not wanting to fire anyone on the first day back and only my fourth shift as a student manager overall), I again tried to get her to escort me to the back office for the initial write-up. Her retort was "I'll just say you called me a [n word...she's black]."

I was immediately frightened about the situation, and customers were gathering around the produce/deli station to witness the drama firsthand. "I'm going to have to report this to Jami [my director] and she won't believe I was acting racist." So diva eventually complies and follows me to the office. She tears up the "write up" sheet she was intended to sign. I hand her over to Jen and explain what happened. I then was to leave the room so "diva" could express her side without my interference to Jami.

I come back ten minutes later to discuss this with Jami only. I'm somewhat nervous when I enter and see Jami laughing. "Yeah, so she tried to say you sexually harassed her and made advances toward her." Jami obviously knows I'm gay. My fearless director proceeded to exclaim that "I take your word for and she's to be terminated."

So I have to go back to the station, get "diva" and take her back to the conference rooms past the kitchen and back office. I sit her down and explain to her everything and why she's being let go. Her response? She punches me in the FUCKING FACE and storms off yelling "fuck this place, fuck that fag" at the top of her lungs repeatedly as she exits the facility.

Yeah. First firing ever. I hated it, even though I despised that girl.

Feel the power.

It was fucked up, though.

[Yorick Brown]

You should have had Loika handle this for you.

[/(. . )/]

Todd, you did the right thing.

[Masculine Todd]

Remember how you had a crappy afternoon, and we were all being concerned? ;)

It was probably only the really awesome exes who called you that, anyways.

One was a girl...but she made me pancakes every morning before homeroom.

The other, ironically, hit me in the face.

I associate "Toddy" with pancakes...and getting punched in the face. It's a double-edged sword. :smile:

[Masculine Todd]

You should have had Loika handle this for you.

We'd never hear from her again. I don't want twenty-five ninjas dismembering her and then a cybernetic robot destroying her with laser cannons.


Todd, you did the right thing.

Thanks. :smile:

[Ryan Elliott]

Yeah, it's weird. I haven't randomly been knocked in the testicles by misguided children, frat guys, or old women in months. It's odd.


Hmm, is that so?


Hmmm.

[bradical]

you are alright, right? i was basing my whole let it go argument on the assumption that the punk was more "what the fuck" than "you broke mah nose!"

[Masculine Todd]

you are alright, right? i was basing my whole let it go argument on the assumption that the punk was more "what the fuck" than "you broke mah nose!"

No, I'm good. Swollen jaw and a lose tooth, but that's it.

[Mr. E!]

Wow. Really, some people's children...

I wonder what would have happened if you were Keith P.

Probably the same but with more tears and projectile iced tea bottles.

It's like some of you bendis boarders live in a british sitcom.

Oh, Keith would have hit her back. He's hit women before. It would have been ON!

Press charges Todd. You will have the record of your clinic visit and your supervisor's documentation, along with the photos, and a whole bunch of witnesses who heard her verbally abuse you. You're all set.
I'm sorry you had to take a fist to the face. That's never fun.

[bradical]

No, I'm good. Swollen jaw and a lose tooth, but that's it.

good. i just assumed no harm. if you get doc/dentist bills out of this, then i'd have to say get the cops involved, because she has to own up if money is involved. if not, i know you see the humor in the situation and the value in letting it go. i'm off to drink more now.

[Whip]

Press charges Todd. You will have the record of your clinic visit and your supervisor's documentation, along with the photos, and a whole bunch of witnesses who heard her verbally abuse you. You're all set.
I'm sorry you had to take a fist to the face. That's never fun.

IAWTC. Press charges. Once you do, if she does anything afterward, it'll only make things far worse for her.

[Ryudo]

IAWTC. Press charges. Once you do, if she does anything afterward, it'll only make things far worse for her.

I kind of agree.

[Dermie]

i get that. in my experience though, cops only make things worse in cases like this. with the incident on file with his job, it means it's on file with the college, which means it's going to follow her for her entire time there. she'll never get another college affliated job again, among other things.

And this is a bad thing...why? She fucked up, she gets to live with the consequences. If the worst that happens to her is that she never gets another college affiliated job, then she is getting off lucky.

I understand the perspective of taking the high road and being the bigger person...but this woman committed assault. She cannot simply be allowed to walk away from that without consequences--if for no other reason that it will simply encourage her to continue to act that way in the future, and the next person she attacks may get more seriously hurt (or not be as kind-hearted as Todd, and end up turning it into an all-out brawl).

Honestly, I think it would be a bit irresponsible to not file charges and let her think she can go around punching people whenever she wants.

[Amos Moses]

How's the jaw feeling now, Toddy?

I request that everyone refer to him as "Toddy" now.

Keep us posted on what happens to that bitchy diva.

[bradical]

everyone gets punched in the face every once in awhile. if this doesn't happen to you at least once every three years then you aren't living life right.

[Corey]

No, I'm good. Swollen jaw and a lose tooth, but that's it.

Your tooth is loose?! Geez. What a spaz.

Sorry that happened to you. I'm not sure how big your campus is, but you just know you're going to start randomly seeing her when you've never run into her before.

[Frozen Sooner]

Not reading the whole thread yet, but you should have fired her on the spot as soon as she said "I heard you suck dick." If she refused to leave, call the police.

Massively inappropriate.

You should also file assault and battery charges against her and get her kicked out of school.

[sans serif]

That's really upsetting. You don't deserve that. I really don't understand the way people are sometimes.

[Adam Witt]

That's complete fucking bullshit. You didn't deserve a second of that. File charges, man.

[Masculine Todd]

UPDATE:

My library shift ended around 1 AM. I'm rather conflicted, as I do appreciate the need to not allow this girl the notion she can do whatever she likes to whoever she likes around campus and anywhere else. She's socially unacceptable. However, I also know that nothing came of it, and I don't want this black cloud on her record haunting her.

I went to the station and, because of the unique circumstances and structure of a campus police department, I was given a few options: firstly, I gave my work's accident report, the walk-in clinic report, the pictures and Jami's work and cell number to the officer as evidence. The officer proceeded to state that battery charges could be brought against her, which would result in being escourted to one of the holding cells and possible jail time at the worst and probation/academic discipline at the least.

Secondly, I could opt for "campus charges," in which the department register the complaint through the school only, and the most likely results are that she is placed on "academic probation" (usually occurs when your grades are disturbingly low for a semester, you only have one more to bring them up or you're dismissed from the university). This is an reactionary academic probation, where if she's caught with alcohol in her dorm (she's 19) or gets an MIP, is at a party where drinking is involved, or engages in any other inappropriate action in her dorm or around campus, she will immediately be expelled from the university. She is Monday, Wednesday, Friday non-credit anger workshop course through the university. It's held at 8 PM and ends at 10 PM (and on a Friday, she'll absolutely loathe this).

I opted for the second option. A "campus charge" doesn't leave a permanent black mark on your record that is accessible by future employers, but does have certain consequences that won't ruin her future and/or result in jail/probation.

[Ben Weldon]

Right on Todd I think you made the right choice. That anger workshop in particular is going to sting and might even do her some good.

[E-man]

People like that make me sick.

[twigglet]

Todd you made the right choice.

Well done :D

[Freeway]

UPDATE:

My library shift ended around 1 AM. I'm rather conflicted, as I do appreciate the need to not allow this girl the notion she can do whatever she likes to whoever she likes around campus and anywhere else. She's socially unacceptable. However, I also know that nothing came of it, and I don't want this black cloud on her record haunting her.

I went to the station and, because of the unique circumstances and structure of a campus police department, I was given a few options: firstly, I gave my work's accident report, the walk-in clinic report, the pictures and Jami's work and cell number to the officer as evidence. The officer proceeded to state that battery charges could be brought against her, which would result in being escourted to one of the holding cells and possible jail time at the worst and probation/academic discipline at the least.

Secondly, I could opt for "campus charges," in which the department register the complaint through the school only, and the most likely results are that she is placed on "academic probation" (usually occurs when your grades are disturbingly low for a semester, you only have one more to bring them up or you're dismissed from the university). This is an reactionary academic probation, where if she's caught with alcohol in her dorm (she's 19) or gets an MIP, is at a party where drinking is involved, or engages in any other inappropriate action in her dorm or around campus, she will immediately be expelled from the university. She is Monday, Wednesday, Friday non-credit anger workshop course through the university. It's held at 8 PM and ends at 10 PM (and on a Friday, she'll absolutely loathe this).

I opted for the second option. A "campus charge" doesn't leave a permanent black mark on your record that is accessible by future employers, but does have certain consequences that won't ruin her future and/or result in jail/probation.

Smart move. Tough but fair. Hopefully she'll actually LEARN from this.

[Thommy Melanson]

Smart move. Tough but fair. Hopefully she'll actually LEARN from this.

Doubt it, sounds like she's an asshole for life.

If this was on film (Toddy, did security cams record any of this?) it'd show up on Hot Ghetto Mess: We've Got To Do Better.

[SeanC]

In Todd We Trust

[Masculine Todd]

If this was on film (Toddy, did security cams record any of this?) it'd show up on Hot Ghetto Mess: We've Got To Do Better.

Unfortunately, we don't have security cameras in the conference rooms. :sad:

[SeanC]

Unfortunately, we don't have security cameras in the conference rooms. :sad:

Maybe they will now that this happened. They could named them the "Todd Is Me Memorial Cameras"

[changingshades]

Admittedly, I'm an asshole, but I'd have gone with option one.

Oh well, as long as you feel justice will be served.

[Joe Kalicki]

Yeah, I would've went with option one, too.

But then, I'm just waiting for an opportunity to crash down divine justice on the head of one person representing everyone who's ever gotten away with crapping me around.

[changingshades]

Yeah, I would've went with option one, too.

But then, I'm just waiting for an opportunity to crash down divine justice on the head of one person representing everyone who's ever gotten away with crapping me around.

indeed.

and it's not like she doesn't deserve it

[Joe Kalicki]

indeed.

and it's not like she doesn't deserve it

Yeah, people like that never learn. And even with the steepest punishments it just makes them madder at everyone else. They'll never change, so you might as well go all the way.

[kari]

UPDATE:

My library shift ended around 1 AM. I'm rather conflicted, as I do appreciate the need to not allow this girl the notion she can do whatever she likes to whoever she likes around campus and anywhere else. She's socially unacceptable. However, I also know that nothing came of it, and I don't want this black cloud on her record haunting her.

I went to the station and, because of the unique circumstances and structure of a campus police department, I was given a few options: firstly, I gave my work's accident report, the walk-in clinic report, the pictures and Jami's work and cell number to the officer as evidence. The officer proceeded to state that battery charges could be brought against her, which would result in being escourted to one of the holding cells and possible jail time at the worst and probation/academic discipline at the least.

Secondly, I could opt for "campus charges," in which the department register the complaint through the school only, and the most likely results are that she is placed on "academic probation" (usually occurs when your grades are disturbingly low for a semester, you only have one more to bring them up or you're dismissed from the university). This is an reactionary academic probation, where if she's caught with alcohol in her dorm (she's 19) or gets an MIP, is at a party where drinking is involved, or engages in any other inappropriate action in her dorm or around campus, she will immediately be expelled from the university. She is Monday, Wednesday, Friday non-credit anger workshop course through the university. It's held at 8 PM and ends at 10 PM (and on a Friday, she'll absolutely loathe this).

I opted for the second option. A "campus charge" doesn't leave a permanent black mark on your record that is accessible by future employers, but does have certain consequences that won't ruin her future and/or result in jail/probation.

You do what you gotta do...but I would of went with option one.

...Truthfully, after she hit me her ass would of been in the hospital and I would of been in jail.

I'm not saying thats the answer but thats what would of happened.

She should have a police record (she probably already does) what she did WAS assault and battery.

[Masculine Todd]

You do what you gotta do...but I would of went with option one.

...Truthfully, after she hit me her ass would of been in the hospital and I would of been in jail.

I'm not saying thats the answer but thats what would of happened.

She should have a police record (she probably already does) what she did WAS assault and battery.

I'm a guy, and I live and die by the golden rule of never hitting a lady. Ever. I appreciate where many of you are coming from with the "option one" thing, but I just don't have it in me to put her in jail. I really don't. I didn't find the event worthy of jail time. Others may. Others might feel she needs to "learn a lesson." I don't think it would teach her anything.

[Brewtown Andy]

Mip?

[c. page]

Mip?

minor in possession. (alcohol)

[Brewtown Andy]

minor in possession. (alcohol)Oh, right.

[Corey]

Yeah, I think you made the right call.

[NickT]

Sounds like you did right IMO.

[Hate_Prime]

I'm a guy, and I live and die by the golden rule of never hitting a lady. Ever. I appreciate where many of you are coming from with the "option one" thing, but I just don't have it in me to put her in jail. I really don't. I didn't find the event worthy of jail time. Others may. Others might feel she needs to "learn a lesson." I don't think it would teach her anything.

I agree.

It was namecalling and a punch; Todd'll live. No need for litigation.

I would have asked if the school had such a thing as a Double Secret Probation to put her on, though.

[kari]

I'm a guy, and I live and die by the golden rule of never hitting a lady. Ever. I appreciate where many of you are coming from with the "option one" thing, but I just don't have it in me to put her in jail. I really don't. I didn't find the event worthy of jail time. Others may. Others might feel she needs to "learn a lesson." I don't think it would teach her anything.

That bitch ain't no lady.

[Beep Beep!]

Yeah, I would've went with option one, too.
Ditto.

But I'm glad you did something.

[chazbot]

That bitch ain't no lady.

:thumb:

[Keith P.]

Well..since you didn't take the opportunity and knock the bitch out, you definitely need to press charges.

[costello]

I just read the first three pages of this thread. Damn, I hope you're all right. It sucks when someone's irresponsibility puts you in a position where you have to confront them, therefore making you feel shitty about their bad behavior, even though you're not the person in the wrong.

[Masculine Todd]

Well..since you didn't take the opportunity and knock the bitch out, you definitely need to press charges.

Shortly after the incident, after I clocked out, I walked to the clinic with one of my friends and I randomly blurt out "I should have chucked an ice tea bottle at her." Helena (my friend) gave me this awkward look and said "why an ice tea bottle specifically?" I started immediately changed the subject. :smile:


I just read the first three pages of this thread. Damn, I hope you're all right. It sucks when someone's irresponsibility puts you in a position where you have to confront them, therefore making you feel shitty about their bad behavior, even though you're not the person in the wrong.


Thanks for the inquiry. I'm fine. It's just a bad experience. I got a call on my cell about an hour ago. Jami called me up to tell me "Diva" came in to see her about getting her job back. She didn't really think she was "terminated" because she felt I "had no real authority." Jami laid the verbal smackdown, stating that it was, in fact Jami who commissioned the termination and that student managers also may fire at will. I couldn't believe she'd literally come back after that incident with the delusion of expecting her job back.

[SeanC]

Thanks for the inquiry. I'm fine. It's just a bad experience. I got a call on my cell about an hour ago. Jami called me up to tell me "Diva" came in to see her about getting her job back. She didn't really think she was "terminated" because she felt I "had no real authority." Jami laid the verbal smackdown, stating that it was, in fact Jami who commissioned the termination and that student managers also may fire at will. I couldn't believe she'd literally come back after that incident with the delusion of expecting her job back.


Well, obviously her boxing career isn't working out well.

[costello]

For some reason that makes perfect sense to me. I can't explain why, but I've seen this happen 100 times before.

The mindset of some people, it's like they were raised on some sort of forgiveness credit card. It's like they're punished, but two seconds later the adult feels bad for punishing the kid, so the kid's rewarded. This makes the adult feel loved again, but the kid gets off scott free with no real consequence. I've seen major reprocussions happen to kids with this mindset, they just don't get it, and they have the backing of adults who either aren't aware that the kids have no responsibility or they've learned to accept the berating/abuse the kids give them.

Have you ever heard a 12-year-old bitch out her parent? It's embarassing.

You're dealing with a learned behavior Todd. Good luck.

[chazbot]

Thanks for the inquiry. I'm fine. It's just a bad experience. I got a call on my cell about an hour ago. Jami called me up to tell me "Diva" came in to see her about getting her job back. She didn't really think she was "terminated" because she felt I "had no real authority." Jami laid the verbal smackdown, stating that it was, in fact Jami who commissioned the termination and that student managers also may fire at will. I couldn't believe she'd literally come back after that incident with the delusion of expecting her job back.

It would have been great if she was told that she had to grovel to you and beg for her job back if she wanted it. Just cause she wouldn't have, but it would have been an appropriate FU on her level of ridiculousness.

[Masculine Todd]

Well, obviously her boxing career isn't working out well.

My jaw begs the differ.

[Jay Wesson]

My jaw begs the differ.

Dude... did you go to the cops?? Please tell me you did. Please. Please. Don't take that shit from anyone.

[Beep Beep!]

Thanks for the inquiry. I'm fine. It's just a bad experience. I got a call on my cell about an hour ago. Jami called me up to tell me "Diva" came in to see her about getting her job back. She didn't really think she was "terminated" because she felt I "had no real authority." Jami laid the verbal smackdown, stating that it was, in fact Jami who commissioned the termination and that student managers also may fire at will. I couldn't believe she'd literally come back after that incident with the delusion of expecting her job back.:shock:

How stupid is this bitch? She came in an hour late, threw around racial slurs, tore up your write up, punched you and still thought she wasn't really fired?

I SO wish you had done option 1.

Better question - who hired her in the first place????

[mike black]

I wouldn't assume that. It sounds like she's just "ghetto" enough to come back and try to do something. And if not with you then to someone else.

Two slashed tires later, I agree.

[mike black]

Thanks for the inquiry. I'm fine. It's just a bad experience. I got a call on my cell about an hour ago. Jami called me up to tell me "Diva" came in to see her about getting her job back. She didn't really think she was "terminated" because she felt I "had no real authority." Jami laid the verbal smackdown, stating that it was, in fact Jami who commissioned the termination and that student managers also may fire at will. I couldn't believe she'd literally come back after that incident with the delusion of expecting her job back.

It comes from a long life of not having to deal with consequences. The fact that she's openly stated "I'll tell them you'll call me Nigger!" means that she was, in fact testing her boundries.

Everything about the exchange was her seeing how far she could go before she was fucking fired, and then trying to save herself by scaring you. I've fired about 30 people at AOL, and I'll tell you I've been told some horrible shit.

In one instance an employee claimed that I openly talked about having sex with a donkey on my weekend with three other supervisors (we were talking about Clerks 2.) And claimed that she was so emmotionally distraut she couldn't work for three days. I spent three days in HR prison dealing with that - hoping I wouldn't get fired. Only to find out that she claimed it happened on a day none of us were actually at work, five days prior to her not coming in. And then promptly never came back.

I've been threatened with violence, had my tires slashed, told I was going ot be sued, told that I was sexually assaulting someone, and more - but it boils down to you being shocked or you just saying "That may be the case, and you can take that up with whomever - but unfortunately we're going to have to part ways, because you've failed to live up to your obligation of coming to work on time."

[mike black]

BTW, Assault is when they threaten to hit you. Battery is when they actually hit you.

[Jef UK]

You get hit a lot.

[Dermie]

You get hit a lot.

No, he just looks that way due to the eyeliner. ;)

[SeanC]

BTW, Assault is when they threaten to hit you. Battery is when they actually hit you.

Really?

So what's aggrivated assault then? I tell you "I mean it. I'm REALLY going to hit you"

[mike black]

Really?

So what's aggrivated assault then? I tell you "I mean it. I'm REALLY going to hit you"

I think aggrivated is when they plan to commit Assault & Battery. Either that or it's a spur of the moment thing.

[BaconWhoreSqueeeaaal]

She punched you? Jesus Christ, honey. Fuck that bitch. Karma will get to her.

[RegularJoe]

Really?

So what's aggrivated assault then? I tell you "I mean it. I'm REALLY going to hit you"

assault: i'm going to kick your ass!

aggravated assault: I'm going to kick your ass! *waves large weapon around*

[Joe Kalicki]

I wish the people I work with would be fired for coming in late. Almost everyone that has to relieve me come sin as they please. SUre, it's usually only around ten minutes late most days, but it happens so consistently they should be reprimanded. But I used to call my boss about it every day and his solution was to send me a memo saying he was not to be contacted when my relief is running late.