Echo can see sound effects...? NEW AVENGERS #33 Preview

[Kefky]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/810/810272p1.html

Maybe it's a magic sixth sense she developed to make up for her lack of hearing?

[Jerome Gibbons]

Wow, a reference to Peter's book. That is so weird.



And more tying together with Mighty Avengers.

[Kefky]

What book is that?

[Ben]

Sounds make vibrations that deaf people can feel.

[Ben]

What book is that?I believe it was called Webs. It was a collection of all this Spider-Man photos. The tour was during the McFarlane era. Maybe early 300s of ASM.

[Kefky]

I believe it was called Webs. It was a collection of all this Spider-Man photos. The tour was during the McFarlane era. Maybe early 300s of ASM.

Ooo, yea, that! Bendis is the master of obscure Spidey continuity! :eek:

[JoeE]

I think Dan Slott dropped a reference to it in a She-Hulk issue a few years back.

[TheKraken]

I believe it was called Webs. It was a collection of all this Spider-Man photos. The tour was during the McFarlane era. Maybe early 300s of ASM.

He appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson on that tour... perhaps not the best continuity to reference if Peter's not supposed to be over 30... :D

[Jerome Gibbons]

What book is that?

It was a book called Webs, which Peter published in...the late eighties, I think it was? Anyway, yeah. It was like a collection of Peter's Spider-Man photos for the Bugle. I believe it was mentioned in Spider-Man/Human Torch. Peter toured around the country to promote the book and stuff.

And yes, it's something that has been almost completely forgotten or ignored by pretty much everyone at Marvel.

[Akira]

Nevermind, I didn't read the whole thing

[JoeE]

That was Echo.

[Kefky]

He appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson on that tour... perhaps not the best continuity to reference if Peter's not supposed to be over 30... :D

Oh, I remember that too! MUCH better than going the Jay Leno tonight show! :D

[Jerome Gibbons]

Ooo, yea, that! Bendis is the master of obscure Spidey continuity! :eek:

Sort of. For every reference to Peter's book and Norman Osborn killing baby May, there is Peter saying he doesn't have a driver's license when he drove during the Clone Saga and was shown to own a car during JMS' run. :)

[Corey]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/810/810272p1.html

Maybe it's a magic sixth sense she developed to make up for her lack of hearing?

And Hawkeye can grab speech balloons. (Last panel on page 3.)

[TheKraken]

Oh, I remember that too! MUCH better than going the Jay Leno tonight show! :D

Very true. He should've gone on Letterman and did the bit where he used to stick to the wall with the velcro suit... :lol:

[Kefky]

Sort of. For every reference to Peter's book and Norman Osborn killing baby May, there is Peter saying he doesn't have a driver's license when he drove during the Clone Saga and was shown to own a car during JMS' run. :)

That's actually pretty humorous considering all the bitching that occurred when that JMS issue came out.

[chazbot]

hmm... so did that preview give away the ending to the Mighty Avengers arc or was that just a red herring??

[dasNdanger]

Sounds make vibrations that deaf people can feel.

Yes, this is very true. BUT...not sure she'd 'feel' that knock unless he really pounded the door, OR if she was facing the door, and saw it vibrate as he knocked. These guys gotta watch what they do with Echo. Hearing-impaired people usually have a door 'bell' that flickers a light on and off because they CAN'T hear the knock, and because the vibration isn't strong enough to feel.

I'll give Bendis & Yu the benefit of the doubt here...maybe she was looking at the door and saw a shadow underneath it, or like I said, saw the door vibrate from the knock. Otherwise, they're really stretching it with her abilities.

das

[Kefky]

hmm... so did that preview give away the ending to the Mighty Avengers arc or was that just a red herring??

What?

[Jerome Gibbons]

hmm... so did that preview give away the ending to the Mighty Avengers arc or was that just a red herring??

It says the Avengers dealt with Ultron.


Which...you know, I think all of us were expecting.

[Kefky]

It says the Avengers dealt with Ultron.


Which...you know, I think all of us were expecting.

But it says they're still fighting him\her\it, right?

[The Doctor]

Sort of. For every reference to Peter's book and Norman Osborn killing baby May, there is Peter saying he doesn't have a driver's license when he drove during the Clone Saga and was shown to own a car during JMS' run. :)

Doesn't mean he has a licence;)

[chazbot]

It says the Avengers dealt with Ultron.


Which...you know, I think all of us were expecting.

true, but it also indicates that Tony made it out of it unscathed since there was no talk about that coming from the broadcaster.
but then, since he is in every single 616 comic Marvel puts out right now, I guess it is a given :D

[Ben Weldon]

Oh yeah, Echo is a big ol' Skrull.

[Jerome Gibbons]

But it says they're still fighting him\her\it, right?

Well, the thing says SHIELD contacted the media saying the situation had been resolved and that the Avengers were the primary team on the field.

[Kefky]

Well, the thing says SHIELD contacted the media saying the situation had been resolved and that the Avengers were the primary team on the field.

Oh.

Well, still not really a problem since we knew they were gonna win. ;)

[Jerome Gibbons]

Doesn't mean he has a licence;)

Well, you can't really own a car if you don't have a license, so...

[The Doctor]

Well, you can't really own a car if you don't have a license, so...

Spider-man can.

He can do whatever a spider can.

[Jerome Gibbons]

true, but it also indicates that Tony made it out of it unscathed since there was no talk about that coming from the broadcaster.
but then, since he is in every single 616 comic Marvel puts out right now, I guess it is a given :D

Well, not necessarily. Though I don't think anyone realistically expected Tony to be harmed during the fight with Ultron, the fact that they didn't mention it in the broadcast isn't really indicative of anything. For one thing, it's entirely possible (and actually very likely) that SHIELD didn't inform them in regard to Tony's status.

[Kefky]

Well, you can't really own a car if you don't have a license, so...

Well, in the JMS issue, he said he borrowed it from Tony... And far as the clone saga goes, you're talking about the final adventure mini, right? He could've just rented one there or something... And it was just one story anyway. :)

[Jerome Gibbons]

Well, in the JMS issue, he said he borrowed it from Tony... And far as the clone saga goes, you're talking about the final adventure mini, right? He could've just rented one there or something... And it was just one story anyway. :)

You can't rent if you don't have a license, either. And in the JMS issue, he said it was his car, as evidenced by mountains of crap he had in the back.

It's not really a big deal. I'm far from being a continuity nut or anything, these things don't really bother me. Just saying that one time, one story said such and such.

[Dreg]

I wonder if there's a spoiler in the missing page.

[JoeE]

Yu's art looks pretty sharp there.

[Kefky]

You can't rent if you don't have a license, either. And in the JMS issue, he said it was his car, as evidenced by mountains of crap he had in the back.

It's not really a big deal. I'm far from being a continuity nut or anything, these things don't really bother me. Just saying that one time, one story said such and such.

Got it. But Peter says in the last issue of that arc that he got the car from Tony. It must've been Tony's crap in the back. :)

[Colby]

Yes, this is very true. BUT...not sure she'd 'feel' that knock unless he really pounded the door, OR if she was facing the door, and saw it vibrate as he knocked. These guys gotta watch what they do with Echo. Hearing-impaired people usually have a door 'bell' that flickers a light on and off because they CAN'T hear the knock, and because the vibration isn't strong enough to feel.

I'll give Bendis & Yu the benefit of the doubt here...maybe she was looking at the door and saw a shadow underneath it, or like I said, saw the door vibrate from the knock. Otherwise, they're really stretching it with her abilities.

das

Echo's got enhanced senses. In her debut arc, she could distinguish Kingpin's clapping from the rest of the applauding crowd in an auditorium. It's little goofy, but it's been established...

And man, the series is great. It feels like so much is going on, and Yu's art is getting sharper and sharper.

[dasNdanger]

Echo's got enhanced senses. In her debut arc, she could distinguish Kingpin's clapping from the rest of the applauding crowd in an auditorium. It's little goofy, but it's been established...

Yeah, I get the enhanced senses, but it's still a bit of a stretch...even the hand clap would be a stretch because you have to ask how she can distinguish it? From vibrations? If so, then that's fine. But...well...there's this fine line between FEELING vibrations, and HEARING them. What is she feeling the vibrations with? Not her eardrums. From air movement? Floor vibrations?

So, the door knock - well, she either had to see it, or feel it through the floor. I can buy it - for now. But they risk making her just like a hearing person, when really they should (IMHO) make her someone that a hearing-impaired person CAN relate to...which they are at risk of failing to do.

das

[Jerome Gibbons]

Echo's got enhanced senses. In her debut arc, she could distinguish Kingpin's clapping from the rest of the applauding crowd in an auditorium. It's little goofy, but it's been established...

It's not really something that is explicitly established, though. I mean, yeah, it's a conclusion that you can arrive to if you want to, I guess, going by that scene but she doesn't really say that her senses are enhanced or anything, just that she likes to stand in front crowds and the Kingpin's claps are easier to distinguish because he claps harder than everyone else.

[Josh!]

Echo's got enhanced senses. In her debut arc, she could distinguish Kingpin's clapping from the rest of the applauding crowd in an auditorium. It's little goofy, but it's been established...

And man, the series is great. It feels like so much is going on, and Yu's art is getting sharper and sharper.

... unless, as was mentioned before, she's a... you know.

[Jerome Gibbons]

You know what I want to see, though, is scenes where Spidey and/or Ronin start talking and then Maya cuts them off and says something completely unrelated because she didn't know they were talking because those pricks like to walk around with their masks over their faces all the time, and it gets all awkward and stuff. That would rule.

[dasNdanger]

It's not really something that is explicitly established, though. I mean, yeah, it's a conclusion that you can arrive to if you want to, I guess, going by that scene but she doesn't really say that her senses are enhanced or anything, just that she likes to stand in front crowds and the Kingpin's claps are easier to distinguish because he claps harder than everyone else.

Thing is, they need to establish how deaf she is - kinda like they need to establish how fast Wolverine can heal, or whether or not Cyclops beams can actually burn (some say yes, some no). I have a deaf friend, and if she turns her hearing aid WAY up, she can make out some faint sounds. Once, while we were eating dinner, she had her hearing aid turned up, and she bit into a stalk of celery, and scared herself! LOL! She was so shocked that celery made noise when you bite into it. Even my friends who are profoundly deaf can make out some faint sounds under the right conditions, and with the help of a hearing aid.

Hmmmm...just wondering, does Echo use a hearing aid?

das

[dasNdanger]

You know what I want to see, though, is scenes where Spidey and/or Ronin start talking and then Maya cuts them off and says something completely unrelated because she didn't know they were talking because those pricks like to walk around with their masks over their faces all the time, and it gets all awkward and stuff. That would rule.


Yes! Totally agree! Could make for some awkwardly funny moments. That would also help develop her character a bit more - distinctive quirks and stuff are what help readers connect to a character.

And yeah - the Skrull thing is a possibility. I hope not...but...yeah, might be the case.

das

[Jerome Gibbons]

Thing is, they need to establish how deaf she is - kinda like they need to establish how fast Wolverine can heal, or whether or not Cyclops beams can actually burn (some say yes, some no). I have a deaf friend, and if she turns her hearing aid WAY up, she can make out some faint sounds. Once, while we were eating dinner, she had her hearing aid turned up, and she bit into a stalk of celery, and scared herself! LOL! She was so shocked that celery made noise when you bite into it. Even my friends who are profoundly deaf can make out some faint sounds under the right conditions, and with the help of a hearing aid.

Hmmmm...just wondering, does Echo use a hearing aid?

das

Hmmmm...I don't know, but I don't think so. I think she is completely deaf, as a big part of her first appearance was spent showing the world from her perspective, asking what things made sounds and things like that, and she's mentioned that the sound dimension is completely alien to her, and she imagines that a hearing perspective must be as extensive and detailed as sight.

Also, I think she thinks fire makes a sound. I don't know why, but I think that's kinda cool.

[Colby]

Yeah, I get the enhanced senses, but it's still a bit of a stretch...even the hand clap would be a stretch because you have to ask how she can distinguish it? From vibrations? If so, then that's fine. But...well...there's this fine line between FEELING vibrations, and HEARING them. What is she feeling the vibrations with? Not her eardrums. From air movement? Floor vibrations?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Marvel science, I suppose. :)

Not that it makes much sense, but if they establish that, while being deaf, she can tell one kind of applause from another, I have no problem following them to the point where she can sense a knock on the door. It's no worse than "Spider Sense" or "focusing your chi into a fist" or the guy who was dead a few months ago.

[Colby]

You know what I want to see, though, is scenes where Spidey and/or Ronin start talking and then Maya cuts them off and says something completely unrelated because she didn't know they were talking because those pricks like to walk around with their masks over their faces all the time, and it gets all awkward and stuff. That would rule.

There was a scene in the first Ronin arc where someone asked her who she was, and (she was either facing the other way or the person had a mask on- I can't remember which) so she didn't answer. Close to what you want, I think. :)

[Androo]

Yes, this is very true. BUT...not sure she'd 'feel' that knock unless he really pounded the door, OR if she was facing the door, and saw it vibrate as he knocked. These guys gotta watch what they do with Echo. Hearing-impaired people usually have a door 'bell' that flickers a light on and off because they CAN'T hear the knock, and because the vibration isn't strong enough to feel.

I'll give Bendis & Yu the benefit of the doubt here...maybe she was looking at the door and saw a shadow underneath it, or like I said, saw the door vibrate from the knock. Otherwise, they're really stretching it with her abilities.

das

No need for the vibration explanation. Keep it simple. Just imagine a panel between the knock and her reaction where she saw Wolverine look first. No-prize.

Or she's a Skrull. :scared:

[Jerome Gibbons]

I seriously don't think Maya is a Skrull. I mean, that would be so freaking...well, it'd be kind of anticlimactic, to say the least. She appeared n three issues of New Avengers, then disappeared for over a year only to be killed and brought back as a Hand zombie thing after she finally reappeared, and then on top of that it'll turn out that she's a Skrull?

Really, I just don't see it. I think if anyone's safe, it's her. Of course, it could just be that I seriously want her to be a part of the New Avengers, and that I'd like to have more women on the team in general.

[Black Roman]

For a spilt second this is who I thought he was talking about:

http://pages.videotron.com/cyberboz/ecco_the_dolphin-front.jpg

[MAK15]

I seriously don't think Maya is a Skrull. I mean, that would be so freaking...well, it'd be kind of anticlimactic, to say the least. She appeared n three issues of New Avengers, then disappeared for over a year only to be killed and brought back as a Hand zombie thing after she finally reappeared, and then on top of that it'll turn out that she's a Skrull?

Really, I just don't see it. I think if anyone's safe, it's her. Of course, it could just be that I seriously want her to be a part of the New Avengers, and that I'd like to have more women on the team in general.

I dont think she really 'disappeared' as her team-mates forgot about her and only remembered her when she sent a 'hey, if yall are reading this, then Im dead' letter.
and yeah, Id like to see her on the team for the for-seeable future too.

[MAK15]

For a spilt second this is who I thought he was talking about:

http://pages.videotron.com/cyberboz/ecco_the_dolphin-front.jpg

:lol:

[Colby]

I seriously don't think Maya is a Skrull. I mean, that would be so freaking...well, it'd be kind of anticlimactic, to say the least. She appeared n three issues of New Avengers, then disappeared for over a year only to be killed and brought back as a Hand zombie thing after she finally reappeared, and then on top of that it'll turn out that she's a Skrull?

Really, I just don't see it. I think if anyone's safe, it's her. Of course, it could just be that I seriously want her to be a part of the New Avengers, and that I'd like to have more women on the team in general.

Do we know for sure the NAs have a skrull in their midst? I think one of the teams probably does, but it seems like the MAs are more likely.

[Jerome Gibbons]

I dont think she really 'disappeared' as her team-mates forgot about her and only remembered her when she sent a 'hey, if yall are reading this, then Im dead' letter.
and yeah, Id like to see her on the team for the for-seeable future too.

I meant that she disappeared from the title.

[MAK15]

I meant that she disappeared from the title.

and yet, she was on the cover a whol.e bunch too.
heck, she was on a cover of PULSE.
so I guess that makes her the cover girl for the NA?

[dasNdanger]

I dont think she really 'disappeared' as her team-mates forgot about her and only remembered her when she sent a 'hey, if yall are reading this, then Im dead' letter.
and yeah, Id like to see her on the team for the for-seeable future too.


Yeah, me too. I loved the Daredevil/Echo Vision Quest arc - it's the only thing I've read with Echo in it - and I think Mack did an excellent job at conveying how a hearing impaired person responds to things. Actually, after reading that, I'd love to see Mack do another Echo story...he really made me feel for the character.

Anyway, having read that story and really liking it, I'd like to see her stay on the team and become SOMETHING....I mean, she is much more interesting to me than Spider-Boobies. I mean...Woman. :roll: I wouldn't mind seeing her hook up with Wolverine, too...I liked their chemistry in DD/E:VQ, and since they've both been done dirty by the Hand, I think there'd be some kind of connection there. AND...no Sabretooth around to kill her off. :mrgreen:

das

[Jerome Gibbons]

Do we know for sure the NAs have a skrull in their midst? I think one of the teams probably does, but it seems like the MAs are more likely.

I don't know. Luke thinks so, of course (liked seeing Peter standing up from himself there; Bendis likes to write scenes where people are just scared shitless of Luke, but I liked seeing Peter not willing to take any crap in the preview), but I don't know if it's ever been stated that the New Avengers have a Skrull among them.

We did know that they would have a traitor, of course, which turned out to be Jessica (seriously, the New Avengers are probably going to be fucking pissed at her the next time they see her). I think it's also worth mentioning that even though they're not Avengers officially, Wong, Jessica or the baby turning out to be Skrulls would be seriously dangerous for the team all the same. So maybe it's one of them.

[Black Roman]

:lol:

No joke I misread the title . . .

[Jerome Gibbons]

Yeah, me too. I loved the Daredevil/Echo Vision Quest arc - it's the only thing I've read with Echo in it - and I think Mack did an excellent job at conveying how a hearing impaired person responds to things. Actually, after reading that, I'd love to see Mack do another Echo story...he really made me feel for the character.

You should read her first appearance, the Parts of a Hole arc also written by Mack and penciled by Quesada. Mack delves deeper into Echo's perspective as a deaf person there, and it's pretty cool. It's got nice scenes of Echo as a little girl asking her dad what kind of sound something would make, and if people smiling makes sounds and things like that. It's kinda nice.

[MAK15]

No joke I misread the title . . .

its cool dude.
I think tha genesis cover is what got me.

[Black Roman]

its cool dude.
I think tha genesis cover is what got me.

I didn't say you couldn't laugh it was meant to be funny . . . :lol: And Genisis . . . oh the memories.

[dasNdanger]

You should read her first appearance, the Parts of a Hole arc also written by Mack and penciled by Quesada. Mack delves deeper into Echo's perspective as a deaf person there, and it's pretty cool. It's got nice scenes of Echo as a little girl asking her dad what kind of sound something would make, and if people smiling makes sounds and things like that. It's kinda nice.


Thanks for the tip. I really WANT to read this stuff - would like to get into Daredevil too...BUT....I have....lemme see....about 150 mini-arcs/comic books yet to read (back issues - mostly you-know-who and X-Men), 4 Iron Man trades, Top Cow crossover trade, and....some other stuff. I already promised Mack I'd get to the Kabuki books he gave me in Philly...and....*sigh*....I'm just TOO deep in stuff right now. BUT, it will go on my list of things to read when I catch up, or when Marvel kills off Wolverine - whichever comes first....

das

[The Doctor]

You know what I want to see, though, is scenes where Spidey and/or Ronin start talking and then Maya cuts them off and says something completely unrelated because she didn't know they were talking because those pricks like to walk around with their masks over their faces all the time, and it gets all awkward and stuff. That would rule.
That would be awesome.

Thing is, they need to establish how deaf she is - kinda like they need to establish how fast Wolverine can heal, or whether or not Cyclops beams can actually burn (some say yes, some no). I have a deaf friend, and if she turns her hearing aid WAY up, she can make out some faint sounds. Once, while we were eating dinner, she had her hearing aid turned up, and she bit into a stalk of celery, and scared herself! LOL! She was so shocked that celery made noise when you bite into it. Even my friends who are profoundly deaf can make out some faint sounds under the right conditions, and with the help of a hearing aid.

Hmmmm...just wondering, does Echo use a hearing aid?

das
I doubt it.

I meant that she disappeared from the title.
She really did didn't she? Civil War's happen I suppose.

Yeah, me too. I loved the Daredevil/Echo Vision Quest arc - it's the only thing I've read with Echo in it - and I think Mack did an excellent job at conveying how a hearing impaired person responds to things. Actually, after reading that, I'd love to see Mack do another Echo story...he really made me feel for the character.

Anyway, having read that story and really liking it, I'd like to see her stay on the team and become SOMETHING....I mean, she is much more interesting to me than Spider-Boobies. I mean...Woman. :roll: I wouldn't mind seeing her hook up with Wolverine, too...I liked their chemistry in DD/E:VQ, and since they've both been done dirty by the Hand, I think there'd be some kind of connection there. AND...no Sabretooth around to kill her off. :mrgreen:

das

Like Pablo said read parts of a hole. It's worth it for the gorgous covers alone.

[Corey]

Well, in the JMS issue, he said he borrowed it from Tony... And far as the clone saga goes, you're talking about the final adventure mini, right? He could've just rented one there or something... And it was just one story anyway. :)

Let's just pretend Mary Jane has a license and rented the car, and Peter was borrowing it (but driving illegally).

There, where's my no-prize?

Oh, here it is:

[Juggernaut]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/810/810272p1.html

[MAK15]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/810/810272p1.html

we already have this under 'can echo see sound effects' thread.

[Captain Sensation]

i wonder if the pages are misordered or if page 5 is a spoilery page cause it sure isnt shown on the preview.

[nick maynard]

can this book get any better? bendis is the best writer there is, fuck.

[Hate_Prime]

Echo is a hottie, but did Bendis forget to point out she's latina/native american? She was looking a bit off and only now have I figured out what it was.

[dasNdanger]

Like Pablo said read parts of a hole. It's worth it for the gorgous covers alone.

Well, I had it in my sweaty ll'l hands today...but passed, simply because I have just too much to read right now. Guess if I stay off the net for a while, and catch up with my reading, I'll be able to squeeze it in. It looked wonderful though... *sigh* Mack's stuff just melts me. So, though I passed on Parts of a Hole, I did pick up Mack's Reflections book...so very interesting...

das

[andrew french]

jeez, captain america was an asshole

[LordKinbote]

The panel is unclear, but maybe she's reacting to everyone's reactions?

[Ben]

I don't know why should couldn't have just felt the vibrations from a loud knock.

[Shawn_Kehoe]

jeez, captain america was an asshole

Cap hates creator-owned bows almost as much as he hates creator-owned comics.

[andrew french]

Cap hates creator-owned bows almost as much as he hates creator-owned comics.

Captain America was a cartoonist, yo

[Jerome Gibbons]

I wonder if Echo will get a costume of sorts to do her New Avenger-ing. Beyond the hand stain thing on her face and feathers over her ear thing, I mean.

[Kefky]

Speaking of the hand-thing... Where the hell has it been since new avengers 027? Is it something she can take off? :-?

[Shawn_Kehoe]

Captain America was a cartoonist, yo

Yeah, but he backed the syndicates, it's the American Way.

[andrew french]

this is true

[John Drake]

Cool preview! But I miss Luke and Spidey being good buddies.

[MAK15]

Speaking of the hand-thing... Where the hell has it been since new avengers 027? Is it something she can take off? :-?

I always thought the hand thing was face-paint.

[Jerome Gibbons]

Speaking of the hand-thing... Where the hell has it been since new avengers 027? Is it something she can take off? :-?

It's painted on her face.

[Kefky]

Oh, okay.

I figured it was a scar or tatoo.

[John Drake]

And that preview has me almost conviced Luke is a skrull.

[The Doctor]

And that preview has me almost conviced Luke is a skrull.

Your a Skrull!

[NickT]

And that preview has me almost conviced Luke is a skrull.
I doubt he is, but I like that he's being played as a not very good leader.

[Fake Pat]

I doubt he is, but I like that he's being played as a not very good leader.

I wouldn't really say that he's being played as "not very good", just unexperienced and a bit emotional, which seems fitting to me.

[NickT]

I wouldn't really say that he's being played as "not very good", just unexperienced and a bit emotional, which seems fitting to me.
Well yeah, it's a lack of experience and the fact he seems to work from the heart more than the head. But it still makes him not very good at this moment :)

[Fake Pat]

Well yeah, it's a lack of experience and the fact he seems to work from the heart more than the head. But it still makes him not very good at this moment :)

Yeah, I guess so.

[Dan Slott]

I think Dan Slott dropped a reference to it in a She-Hulk issue a few years back.

SHE-HULK Vol. 1 #4

Also showed a copy of it in SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH #5.

:)

[DeleriumTremens]

I bet page 5 is an ad.

[Fake Pat]

I bet page 5 is an ad.

...for SKRULL MILK!

[Kefky]

SHE-HULK Vol. 1 #4

Also showed a copy of it in SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH #5.

:)

Oooo, I see, so you're saying that Bendis ripped off YOUR idea, eh?

Creator bashing!!! :mad:

[Joe Henderson]

Man, as much as I feel this book has a tendency to spin its wheels, I absolutely love reading the character interactions Bendis writes. Funny, full of character dynamics and tension, and the best Spider-man dialogue anywhere.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

Oh yeah, Echo is a big ol' Skrull.

My money in on Dr. Strange as the one character that has been a little bit off. For Echo to also be a Skrull right along with Elektra might be too much. As rocky as things are for the New Avengers, I would fear that if they see one more ting that hits too close to home they might just fold and call it quits. End of series. I figure that whatever the Hood has running with distract them long enough. Like they said, they need some bad guys to hit. Wonder if or rather when the bad guys are going to have a New Avengers #31 moment within their normally credible peer group...

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

Yu's art looks pretty sharp there.

I think his art on NA is the best of his career and very appropriate of the tone of the story.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

jeez, captain america was an asshole

Hawkeye gave about twice as much crap as he got bac in the day though. And as we see now, Cap's special attention during training paid off for more than a few Avengers.

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

I don't know why should couldn't have just felt the vibrations from a loud knock.

To me Wolverine was illustrated to be tensed up and facing the door when the action was elsewhere with the other New Avengers who were likely being loud. That body language is something Echo would have picked up on and also looked away from the action and towards what Wolverine was looking at.

"Your honor, why are we even having a trial?"

[Lord Jermaine Retail]

And that preview has me almost conviced Luke is a skrull.

When you start thinking that way, the Skrulls win.