Any vegans on the board?

[Afny]

I'm thinking about becoming a vegan, but I have no idea what my diet would consist of without cheese. Any suggestions?

[Jim T.]

They're all too busy foraging for fruit and nuts to post here... :wink:

[MAK15]

They're all too busy foraging for fruit and nuts to post here... :wink:

dont they know its much faster to run to McDonalds for some fries and a parfait? :D

[Ray G.]

Are you a vegetarian already, I assume?

[ZombieSpeedball]

They're all too busy foraging for fruit and nuts to post here... :wink:

Those fruits are alive! Don't eat em!

[Afny]

Are you a vegetarian already, I assume?

Yeah

[Jim T.]

Those fruits are alive! Don't eat em!

:lol: What if they wait until they fall?

And if that's Ok, what about a cow that dies of natural causes after a long and happy life in a field full of flowers and sweet grass?

[Afny]

I'm vegetarian, moving to vegan. My girlfriend is full vegan. She makes do just fine. There's fake cheese that she uses.

She says there's a transitional period where you have to make your taste buds accept the change, and when you get past that - yer good to go.

She likes this recipe book a LOT:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TFFjknAVL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1569243581/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-3551006-8883820#reader-link)


Vegan with a Vengeance : Over 150 Delicious, Cheap, Animal-Free Recipes That Rock (http://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Vengeance-Delicious-Animal-Free-Recipes/dp/1569243581/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-3551006-8883820?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185214045&sr=1-1)

I just hope my local grocery store has enough vegan items...

[Rosemary's Baby]

I'm eating some string cheese at work right now. You'd be making a big mistake, so says the cheese.

Yes, I'm only five years old.

[Buk Was Right]

I'm eating some string cheese at work right now. You'd be making a big mistake, so says the cheese.

Yes, I'm only five years old.

But the question is: are you actually stringing the cheese? Or just chomping into it?

[ZombieSpeedball]

:lol: What if they wait until they fall?

And if that's Ok, what about a cow that dies of natural causes after a long and happy life in a field full of flowers and sweet grass?

What if we eat the cow's juicy delicious soul?

[Vonn Hennigar]

I think i'm going to have some nice tender veal tonight.

I hear the more painful their death the sweeter the meat.

Mmmmm.

[Rosemary's Baby]

But the question is: are you actually stringing the cheese? Or just chomping into it?

At first I took a bite, but now it's all stringing. Delicious.

[Rosemary's Baby]

What if we eat the cow's juicy delicious soul?

Soul can be so tasty if you cook it just right. Kind of like that poisonous fish that Homer eats on The Simpsons.

[Afny]

For me, its like, really not even a choice to be vegan now. I just found out last night that cheese can involve like, gross animal parts (other than, you know, the cheese), and now I can't bring myself to eat it.

[Rosemary's Baby]

My girlfriend ate dog once.

[Nick_Ardill]

Those fruits are alive! Don't eat em!

I hear the screams of the vegetables.:sad:

[Jim T.]

I think i'm going to have some nice tender veal tonight.

I hear the more painful their death the sweeter the meat.

Mmmmm.

Make sure you point some cheese on it!

[Hate_Prime]

I just had some ham. I think that's sort of like a vegetable. My heart is palpitating because it's happy.

[Dan McLellan]

I cook for my friends in college and I have one rule. No Vegan food. I make vegetarian dishes all the time and mostly a veggie when at school, but Vegan is just too hard.

[Buk Was Right]

I think i'm going to have some nice tender veal tonight.

I hear the more painful their death the sweeter the meat.

Mmmmm.

You are a sick fucker.

Can I come over for dinner?

[Afny]

I just hope I can make some vegan Pizza...

[Dan McLellan]

For you. My girlfriend cooks vegan all the time, and it's no big deal for her. Cooking takes the same amount of time and effort, she says.

Shopping takes a bit more time, and money, though.

The latter is what makes it hard. On our budget we can either eat vegetarian and well or vegan and shittily.

I admire people who are vegan but don't accomodate them when I cook. Just saying it's tough on a college budget. If you can swing it though, you're a better person than I.

I love the Vegan food at our cafetaria. Tofu Pud Thai is pretty much the best dish ever made.

[Afny]

Too bad I don't live anywhere near a papa johns...

[Afny]

The latter is what makes it hard. On our budget we can either eat vegetarian and well or vegan and shittily.

I admire people who are vegan but don't accomodate them when I cook. Just saying it's tough on a college budget. If you can swing it though, you're a better person than I.

I love the Vegan food at our cafetaria. Tofu Pud Thai is pretty much the best dish ever made.

See, I eat shitty anyway. I'm 17, and my family never eats together, so I pretty much just eat whatever is lying around.

[Dan McLellan]

See, I eat shitty anyway. I'm 17, and my family never eats together, so I pretty much just eat whatever is lying around.

Do it then man! I don't know why I popped in here. Vegan food can be pretty good. I'm not going to lie to myself and say that it tastes better, but it can taste good and provided you eat smart and aren't an athlete you will probably be healthier for it.

Get your protein though!

[Albert]

I just hope I can make some vegan Pizza...

You can. And Amy's makes a couple of vegan pizzas.

http://www.amys.com/products/category_view.php?prod_category=3

[DaGetHighKnight]

My wife is a vegan, Her Vegan items when i go shopping are more $ than regular food. When she microwaves that fake cheese it smells like butter, lots of butter. I have no idea why.

[Ray G.]

The funny thing is, I'm about as far from a vegetarian as one can get, but I actually do enjoy Vegan protein. I'm allergic to dairy products, so I usually go to restaurants that are either Kosher, Asian(very little dairy used), or occasionally vegan. I know one place in Redbank that makes a fantastic Seitan Bordelaise, and has a great tropical coconut cake too.

[Albert]

The latter is what makes it hard. On our budget we can either eat vegetarian and well or vegan and shittily.

I admire people who are vegan but don't accomodate them when I cook. Just saying it's tough on a college budget. If you can swing it though, you're a better person than I.

I love the Vegan food at our cafetaria. Tofu Pud Thai is pretty much the best dish ever made.

Pad Thai, traditionally and frequently, is made with a sauce that includes fish. It's entirely possible that's not the case at your cafeteria, though.

Pud Thai sounds gross.

[Albert]

yay Dandy Warhols


So what do you do?
Oh yeah, I wait tables too.
No, I haven't heard your band
Cause you guys are pretty new
But if you dig on vegan food
Well come over to my work
I'll have them cook you something that you'll really love

[Dan McLellan]

Pad Thai, traditionally and frequently, is made with a sauce that includes fish. It's entirely possible that's not the case at your cafeteria, though.

Pud Thai sounds gross.

Haha. Our cooks can't spell so it is actually called PUD Thai. And they got the angry righteous Vegans write them a letter about the fish sauce. It's vegan. The person never apologized either. Fucker.

[Tom Burgos]

You can. And Amy's makes a couple of vegan pizzas.

http://www.amys.com/products/category_view.php?prod_category=3

They are pretty tasty too.

BTW, anyone ever had Amy's line of vegetarian patties, with names like California, Chicago, Texas, and All-American?
They are imo the most delicious, better textured, better tasting veggie patties out there.

Afny, I've been a vegetarian for 7 years and I'm currently transitioning towards full veganism, and I think you will do just fine, there's so many options out there.

This are somegood cheese alternatives you can find at your local Whole Foods or at the vegetarian section of your local supermarket:

http://www.imearthkind.com/Main.htm
http://www.veganessentials.com/catalog/soymage-vegan-parmesan.htm

And here's some recipes with vegan cheese

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/recipes/vegan_cheese.php

Good luck in this new path you have chosen, Afny!

[Shane W]

I only eat dairy, as far as animal stuff goes. I love cheese. I used to think it was no big deal, but my girl showed me some footage of the conditions the poor animals have to "live" with. Disgusting and eye opening. I don't need to support that.

You know the poster here named just "Ben"? He's a vegan. He can speak quite eloquently and matter-of-factly on this subject. Bump this for him if you see him on-board.

Try this brand, we use the sliced "cheese" and it's pretty damned good, and it melts beautifully.

http://www.galaxyfoods.com/ourbrands/usa/veggie.asp

[Tom Burgos]

Try this brand, we use the sliced "cheese" and it's pretty damned good, and it melts beautifully.

http://www.galaxyfoods.com/ourbrands/usa/veggie.asp

I love their shredded "cheeses", especially their mozzarella

[Shane W]

I love their shredded "cheeses", especially their mozzarella

Unfortunately our store only carries the sliced. Hopefully soon they'll get the shredded.

[Ben]

I'm thinking about becoming a vegan, but I have no idea what my diet would consist of without cheese. Any suggestions?Fake cheese. It's up to you to decide if you want to eat the kind with casein or not.

[Ben]

I think i'm going to have some nice tender veal tonight.

I hear the more painful their death the sweeter the meat.

Mmmmm.Your new name is Mr. Original.

[Ben]

I cook for my friends in college and I have one rule. No Vegan food. I make vegetarian dishes all the time and mostly a veggie when at school, but Vegan is just too hard.
It's not hard at all. No eggs, no dairy. You must cook with eggs? What are you making that you NEED eggs. Either get Egg Replacer or use water. For the dairy, tons of fake stuff out there. Most major grocery stores have those "Veggie Slices" brand if sliced cheese is okay. If they won't eat casein, then it does get a little harder, but I still see Vegan Gourmet and other non-casein cheeses in the occasional supermarket. You can definitely get this stuff at a Whole Foods. For milk, use soymilk, available at any supermarket. What else? Butter --> margarine. Ice cream --> fake ice cream. You cook with yogurt?

[Ben]

The funny thing is, I'm about as far from a vegetarian as one can get, but I actually do enjoy Vegan protein. I'm allergic to dairy products, so I usually go to restaurants that are either Kosher, Asian(very little dairy used), or occasionally vegan. I know one place in Redbank that makes a fantastic Seitan Bordelaise, and has a great tropical coconut cake too.How many times must you point out that you're bisexual?

[Albert]

It's not hard at all. No eggs, no dairy. You must cook with eggs? What are you making that you NEED eggs. Either get Egg Replacer or use water. For the dairy, tons of fake stuff out there. Most major grocery stores have those "Veggie Slices" brand if sliced cheese is okay. If they won't eat casein, then it does get a little harder, but I still see Vegan Gourmet and other non-casein cheeses in the occasional supermarket. You can definitely get this stuff at a Whole Foods. For milk, use soymilk, available at any supermarket. What else? Butter --> margarine. Ice cream --> fake ice cream. You cook with yogurt?

It's not hard at all FOR YOU. These things are relative. Plus, not everyone cooks a majority of their meals and even though vegetarian options at restaurants at meals are often limited, vegan options are more limited.

I'm not trying to criticize, obviously I think whatever people want to do is great. But it's just relative.

[Ben]

It's not hard at all FOR YOU. These things are relative. Plus, not everyone cooks a majority of their meals and even though vegetarian options at restaurants at meals are often limited, vegan options are more limited.

I'm not trying to criticize, obviously I think whatever people want to do is great. But it's just relative.Yeah, it's not hard for me, nor does it have to be for anyone else, as I explained IN THE POST YOU QUOTED. He was talking about COOKING. Read, Albert. Read... you'll have plenty of time for reading on the COUCH TONIGHT!

[Albert]

Yeah, it's not hard for me, nor does it have to be for anyone else, as I explained IN THE POST YOU QUOTED. He was talking about COOKING. Read, Albert. Read... you'll have plenty of time for reading on the COUCH TONIGHT!

Well, I barely ever cook! But you already knew that!

I do think a vegan diet is harder for people who like to eat out.

[Ben]

Well, I barely ever cook! But you already knew that!

I do think a vegan diet is harder for people who like to eat out.Right now I'm living in a really non-vegan town and it's not hard. You have to ask for more stuff to be left out when you order at restaurants, but that's not hard (even though I don't like doing it). It might be a little hard in the beginning to learn what to do. You can look at a menu and not see anything that's automatically vegan and think there's nothing for you. But that's not really the case.

[Icaruss]

I don't get vegans. Why wouldn't they eat milk, or cheese? Is it a nutrition thing, or a don't hurt the animals thing?

[Albert]

I don't get vegans. Why wouldn't they eat milk, or cheese? Is it a nutrition thing, or a don't hurt the animals thing?

It's usually both. Mainly the latter.

[Albert]

Right now I'm living in a really non-vegan town and it's not hard. You have to ask for more stuff to be left out when you order at restaurants, but that's not hard (even though I don't like doing it). It might be a little hard in the beginning to learn what to do. You can look at a menu and not see anything that's automatically vegan and think there's nothing for you. But that's not really the case.

Except for the fact that a lot of times wait staff don't even know for sure the status of things that possibly could or could not contain animal products (say, the broth of a Chinese dish or beans etc.).

[Ben]

Except for the fact that a lot of times wait staff don't even know for sure the status of things that possibly could or could not contain animal products (say, the broth of a Chinese dish or beans etc.).They can ask. It's usually not a problem.

[Albert]

They can ask. It's usually not a problem.

But you know you have a way with people. Others aren't so lucky.

[Icaruss]

But if it's about the animals, why don't drink milk, or eat cheese? It doesn't make any sense. It's not like they're killing cows to make them.

[Ben]

But if it's about the animals, why don't drink milk, or eat cheese? It doesn't make any sense. It's not like they're killing cows to make them.
In order for the cows to start producing milk, they need to give birth. What do you think happens to those baby cows? If they're female, the probably become dairy cows themselves. If they're males, they become veal. If you're against veal, you shouldn't eat dairy.

Also, I guess the conditions they keep them in when they take the milk out are pretty shitty.

[AAlgar]

I wish it was cheaper to eat vegetarian. I'm dating a vegetarian now (who, because of health reasons, is effectively a vegan these days), and I don't mind eating her stuff when she's here... but damn, it ain't cheap.

[Ben]

I wish it was cheaper to eat vegetarian. I'm dating a vegetarian now (who, because of health reasons, is effectively a vegan these days), and I don't mind eating her stuff when she's here... but damn, it ain't cheap.You can eat really expensive non-vegan food, too. I suspect she just buys the expensive stuff. If you live in Seattle, take a walk around Whole Foods or Trader Joe's when you get a chance. It's not as expensive as you might think.

[Albert]

I wish it was cheaper to eat vegetarian. I'm dating a vegetarian now (who, because of health reasons, is effectively a vegan these days), and I don't mind eating her stuff when she's here... but damn, it ain't cheap.

It's frequently cheaper. Sounds like she just has expensive tastes.

[Ben]

It's frequently cheaper. Sounds like she just has expensive tastes.Which explains AAlgar! :heybaby:

[Shane W]

It's frequently cheaper. Sounds like she just has expensive tastes.

It's definitely cheaper.

Here's a good quick recipe

2 cans of Italian spiced diced tomatoes
Add 1 van of white kidney beans (check pasta section of store)
9oz of fresh spinach chopped.
1 box penne pasta
Feta Cheese (or substitute if vegan)

Add the tomatoes and beans and simmer for 10 minutes, then add spinach for two minutes.

Pour over cooked pasta and sprinkle feta on top.

Yum, yum. Feeds four for under $10 and tastes more expensive and harder than it is.

[Albert]

Vegetarian options at restaurants are almost always cheaper than non-vegetarian stuff, too, in case you actually like to eat out instead of "cooking" every meal.

[AAlgar]

You can eat really expensive non-vegan food, too. I suspect she just buys the expensive stuff. If you live in Seattle, take a walk around Whole Foods or Trader Joe's when you get a chance. It's not as expensive as you might think.

I'm just talking about fresh veggies and stuff. I guess I haven't really itemized my receipts to see what's costing me more... but she's not particularly extravagant in her tastes. I just know that buying food for a weekend of meals on my own (with leftovers enough to feed an extra person) costs significantly less than buying food for a weekend of meals with her here.

But yeah, I have been meaning to check those places out. There's an Albertsons one block from my apartment, so it's really hard for me to justify driving into the city for groceries.

[AAlgar]

It's definitely cheaper.

Here's a good quick recipe

2 cans of Italian spiced diced tomatoes
Add 1 van of white kidney beans (check pasta section of store)
9oz of fresh spinach chopped.
1 box penne pasta
Feta Cheese (or substitute if vegan)

Add the tomatoes and beans and simmer for 10 minutes, then add spinach for two minutes.

Pour over cooked pasta and sprinkle feta on top.

Yum, yum. Feeds four for under $10 and tastes more expensive and harder than it is.

Ooh, that actually sounds tasty. I may just yoink that from you.

[Albert]

I'm just talking about fresh veggies and stuff. I guess I haven't really itemized my receipts to see what's costing me more... but she's not particularly extravagant in her tastes. I just know that buying food for a weekend of meals on my own (with leftovers enough to feed an extra person) costs significantly less than buying food for a weekend of meals with her here.

But yeah, I have been meaning to check those places out. There's an Albertsons one block from my apartment, so it's really hard for me to justify driving into the city for groceries.

I'm sure Albertsons has stuff. And even if you're not a vegetarian you should eat fresh veggies.

[Ben]

I'm just talking about fresh veggies and stuff. I guess I haven't really itemized my receipts to see what's costing me more... but she's not particularly extravagant in her tastes. I just know that buying food for a weekend of meals on my own (with leftovers enough to feed an extra person) costs significantly less than buying food for a weekend of meals with her here.

But yeah, I have been meaning to check those places out. There's an Albertsons one block from my apartment, so it's really hard for me to justify driving into the city for groceries.Maybe she buys most of the organic stuff? Or doesn't pay attention to or incorporate sales into her shopping habits? Your gf is a grocery mystery! I would like to feature her in my new show - Grocery Mysteries hosted by the late Robert Stack.

[Albert]

You know what's really expensive at grocery stores? Meat!

[Ben]

You know what's really expensive at grocery stores? Meat!And some kinds of chips! WTF?! And sometimes hummus! $4 for the small sized hummus?!

[AAlgar]

Oh, I remember one thing: that fake (Morningstar brand) ground beef. I make a pretty decent chili, and I was substituting that for ground beef. That shit is expensive!

[AAlgar]

Maybe she buys most of the organic stuff? Or doesn't pay attention to or incorporate sales into her shopping habits? Your gf is a grocery mystery! I would like to feature her in my new show - Grocery Mysteries hosted by the late Robert Stack.

He played Ultra Magnus. I'm sold.

[Ben]

Oh, I remember one thing: that fake (Morningstar brand) ground beef. I make a pretty decent chili, and I was substituting that for ground beef. That shit is expensive!That stuff is. Sometimes it's on sale. If you have a Target or a Walmart or something, they sell it cheap. Target near me has it for... I want to say like $2.50.

But also, how much would the equivalent (1 lb.) of meat cost? Probably $3-4, right? I haven't purchased meat in a while, so I don't know. But you'd pay a dollar or two extra for a healthier, low fat version of a food you like, right? This is a similar kind of thing.

[AAlgar]

That stuff is. Sometimes it's on sale. If you have a Target or a Walmart or something, they sell it cheap. Target near me has it for... I want to say like $2.50.

Jeez! The little green bag of it at Albertson's is like $7! And I have that stupid coupon card thing. :?

[Albert]

Oh, I remember one thing: that fake (Morningstar brand) ground beef. I make a pretty decent chili, and I was substituting that for ground beef. That shit is expensive!

Or you could just make chili without any type of meat or meat substitute...

[Ben]

Jeez! The little green bag of it at Albertson's is like $7! And I have that stupid coupon card thing. :?Whoa! That's crazy! There are other good chili meat subs. LightLife makes fake ground beef (and fake sausage that tastes fucking EXACTLY like real sausage and has no fat) that comes in a tube (like real ground beef often does). They sell that for $3-5. I guess at your Albertson's, it'll cost $30.

[Ben]

Or you could just make chili without any type of meat or meat substitute...Or throw some tofu in there. I don't really like chili, so I'm not sure if that texture will fuck with it too much.

[Ben]

Wow, we're talking about fucking grocery shopping.

[Shane W]

Jeez! The little green bag of it at Albertson's is like $7! And I have that stupid coupon card thing. :?

Good night! Your store is expensive!

Yeah Target has Boca here for $2.25 a box (equiv to 1 - 1/2 lbs of meat) I buy coupons from ebay where I usually get 20 coupons of $.75 off for about $1 shipped. So then it get's really cheap.

[Albert]

Or throw some tofu in there. I don't really like chili, so I'm not sure if that texture will fuck with it too much.

Growing up, I never though you needed anything like beef in chili. And guess what! You don't!

[AAlgar]

Or you could just make chili without any type of meat or meat substitute...

It's true, and I considered it. I don't really miss meat all that much (I went 30 days without it on a couple of occasions just as a willpower exercise), but something about having that texture in there is still sort of comforting to me.

[Albert]

Wow, we're talking about fucking grocery shopping.

How great are carts?

[AAlgar]

Whoa! That's crazy! There are other good chili meat subs. LightLife makes fake ground beef (and fake sausage that tastes fucking EXACTLY like real sausage and has no fat) that comes in a tube (like real ground beef often does). They sell that for $3-5. I guess at your Albertson's, it'll cost $30.

Well, Albertson's only has the Morningstar stuff for the most part. They have a few other brands of pre-prepared stuff like lasagna or burritos... but the staple stuff (fake beef, eggs, sausage, bacon, etc.) seems to be only the one brand.

Yeah, maybe I'll try to work a trip to Trader Joe's into my next comic run or something.

[Ben]

How great are carts?They're pretty awesome. You ever get one with a squeaky wheel? Those suck! I thought those wheels were supposed to get grease!

[Shane W]

How great are carts?

You know what's best? Our new super target has escalators for shopping carts. We so advanced here in the midwest.

[Ben]

Well, Albertson's only has the Morningstar stuff for the most part. They have a few other brands of pre-prepared stuff like lasagna or burritos... but the staple stuff (fake beef, eggs, sausage, bacon, etc.) seems to be only the one brand.

Yeah, maybe I'll try to work a trip to Trader Joe's into my next comic run or something.They might be in a different section. Check near the cheese/cold cuts where they sell tofu. They might have some other fake meats. Yves is good for fake cold cuts!

[AAlgar]

Good night! Your store is expensive!

Yeah Target has Boca here for $2.25 a box (equiv to 1 - 1/2 lbs of meat) I buy coupons from ebay where I usually get 20 coupons of $.75 off for about $1 shipped. So then it get's really cheap.

I know coupons are frugal and all that... I just feel like I might as well hike my socks up to my knees if I start using them. :?

[Shane W]

I know coupons are frugal and all that... I just feel like I might as well hike my socks up to my knees if I start using them. :?
See, I feel like I'm dropping my shorts to my ankles if I don't.

[Albert]

They're pretty awesome. You ever get one with a squeaky wheel? Those suck! I thought those wheels were supposed to get grease!

That is the worst! And have you ever been stuck in the check-out line behind someone who is buying like, a lot of food, and it takes a long time? Or WORSE they have a question about a price and that takes a long time.

[AAlgar]

They might be in a different section. Check near the cheese/cold cuts where they sell tofu. They might have some other fake meats. Yves is good for fake cold cuts!

We've torn the place apart looking for tofu. They have it sometimes, back in the produce section. My girlfriend also really likes sprouts, but apparently there's been some weird health scare with those lately, so they've been a bit hard to find.

[Albert]

I know coupons are frugal and all that... I just feel like I might as well hike my socks up to my knees if I start using them. :?

Really? Who cares?

[Ben]

That is the worst! And have you ever been stuck in the check-out line behind someone who is buying like, a lot of food, and it takes a long time? Or WORSE they have a question about a price and that takes a long time.Don't get me started on those food stamp people... They're all like "I have food stamps, and that means it'll take a little longer for me to pay!" UGH!!!

[Ben]

We've torn the place apart looking for tofu. They have it sometimes, back in the produce section. My girlfriend also really likes sprouts, but apparently there's been some weird health scare with those lately, so they've been a bit hard to find.Your store is retarded.

[AAlgar]

See, I feel like I'm dropping my shorts to my ankles if I don't.

:lol:! Well put.

[AAlgar]

Really? Who cares?

Yeah, it's more of a self-image thing. I don't give a fuck what anybody in the store thinks. I just can't seem to reconcile the way I see myself with carrying coupons. I'm a bigot.

[AAlgar]

Your store is retarded.

Ah, but they're CLOSE.

Since I'm already cutting most of the fat out of my diet, I'm sure as hell not going to be walking further if I can help it.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's more of a self-image thing. I don't give a fuck what anybody in the store thinks. I just can't seem to reconcile the way I see myself with carrying coupons. I'm a bigot.Even if you're buying comics?

http://www.visitborders.com

[Albert]

Don't get me started on those food stamp people... They're all like "I have food stamps, and that means it'll take a little longer for me to pay!" UGH!!!

Yeah, that's a shame. But you know what's great, when you buy something that you don't realize is on sale, but when it gets rung up, it IS on sale!

[Albert]

Yeah, it's more of a self-image thing. I don't give a fuck what anybody in the store thinks. I just can't seem to reconcile the way I see myself with carrying coupons. I'm a bigot.

So you see yourself as someone who hates money? At grocery stores or everywhere? Do you not do rebates, either?

[Ben]

Yeah, that's a shame. But you know what's great, when you buy something that you don't realize is on sale, but when it gets rung up, it IS on sale!What about those people that get paper AND plastic bags?

[Albert]

What about those people that get paper AND plastic bags?

Seriously. Choose a side! Damn fence-sitters!

GROCERY WAR: I'm with paper!

[Ben]

Seriously. Choose a side! Damn fence-sitters!

GROCERY WAR: I'm with paper!Paper, too. Do you ever bring in your own bags? I try to, but I always forget. Even if I leave some empty bags in the back of my car, I ALWAYS forget to bring them in.

[AAlgar]

So you see yourself as someone who hates money? At grocery stores or everywhere? Do you not do rebates, either?

I hate rebates. I don't have the attention span/memory to follow up on them when I inevitably don't receive the money I was promised.

[Ben]

I hate rebates. I don't have the attention span/memory to follow up on them when I inevitably don't receive the money I was promised.http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showpost.php?p=3360096&postcount=1578

[Albert]

Paper, too. Do you ever bring in your own bags? I try to, but I always forget. Even if I leave some empty bags in the back of my car, I ALWAYS forget to bring them in.

I have one of those reusable Trader Joe's canvas bags.

Paper is definitely the way to go. I at least try to reuse the plastic ones if I do get stuck with them.

Also, in general, I get as little bags as possible. Nothing's more obnoxious than having some d-bag put a gallon of milk in a plastic bag. It already has a handle, pal. :roll:

[Albert]

Here's a good article about plastic bags from the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/us/24plastic.html?ref=us

[AAlgar]

Also, as far as "why make chili with beef?" and all that...

I've been eating meat for 32 years. I could conceivably see cutting it completely out of my diet someday, but I'll always crave certain things with the vague texture/flavor of beef, or bacon, or a hot dog. Maybe someday I'll pass through that transitional stage of wanting the substitute meat, but I suspect I'll always need at least the illusion of some of my favorite things to eat.

[AAlgar]

Here's a good article about plastic bags from the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/us/24plastic.html?ref=us

Take it outside, Al Gore. :roll:

[Albert]

Take it outside, Al Gore. :roll:

::links you to a picture of me and my Prius::

[Ben]

::links you to a picture of me and my Prius::*links to a picture of Albert in his giant mansion!*

[AAlgar]

*links to a picture of Albert in his giant mansion!*

You know what I've always wanted to do? Have a Nerf war in a giant mansion.

[Ben]

You know what I've always wanted to do? Have a Nerf war in a giant mansion.And I've always wanted to hit you with balls!

[Albert]

You know what I've always wanted to do? Have a Nerf war in a giant mansion.

Then maybe I'll invite you over, murderer!

[Simps]

Even if you're buying comics?

http://www.visitborders.com
This one's better, good through August: http://www.bordersmedia.com/coup/coupons_erewards2.htm

[AAlgar]

Then maybe I'll invite you over, murderer!

Wait, murderer? Is this because of the fried chicken thing?

[Albert]

Wait, murderer? Is this because of the fried chicken thing?

It's just a joke. I don't really think you're a murderer. Yet!

[AAlgar]

It's just a joke. I don't really think you're a murderer. Yet!

I figured it was a joke. :roll: I just didn't know what you think I murdered.

[Albert]

I figured it was a joke. :roll: I just didn't know what you think I murdered.

Animals

But not personally.

I love you. :heart:

[AAlgar]

Animals

But not personally.

I love you. :heart:

I make it a point never to eat veal unless they kill it right in front of me.

[spencerdidyrmom]

Try this brand, we use the sliced "cheese" and it's pretty damned good, and it melts beautifully.

http://www.galaxyfoods.com/ourbrands/usa/veggie.asp

Don't know if anyone has pointed this out but that brand of cheese isn't vegan. Its got caesin which is "Dried Skim Milk Protein." Its definitely a step up from your standard cheese, but its not vegan.

Just a head's up!

[Ben]

Don't know if anyone has pointed this out but that brand of cheese isn't vegan. Its got caesin which is "Dried Skim Milk Protein." Its definitely a step up from your standard cheese, but its not vegan.

Just a head's up!Whether you eat casein or not depends a lot on why you're vegan. I know some pretty hardcore vegans that eat it anyway because it's such a minor ingredient. Kind of like the whole issue of animal- vs. planet-derived Vitamin D. I don't think that's driving any industries. If you're doing it for religious reasons, though, you probably don't want to be eating it.

By the way, if anyone's thinking of going vegan but worries about missing this:

http://www.cvcoffee.com/prod_images_blowup/Starbucks-Frapp-Bottles1.jpg

I just discovered this, which tastes EXACTLY the same. It's awesome:

http://www.westsoy.biz/images/products/x450/07487396444.jpg

[spencerdidyrmom]

Whether you eat casein or not depends a lot on why you're vegan. I know some pretty hardcore vegans that eat it anyway because it's such a minor ingredient. Kind of like the whole issue of animal- vs. planet-derived Vitamin D. I don't think that's driving any industries. If you're doing it for religious reasons, though, you probably don't want to be eating it.

True, there are different shades of vegan, myself currently falling into the "aspiring, with the occassionally slippage" shade of vegan. I am not one to get super anal about what it means to be vegan, I just thought I would chime in on those veggie slices because, well......milk is milk. And milk really isn't vegan. Just wanted to put that out there.



By the way, if anyone's thinking of going vegan but worries about missing this:

http://www.cvcoffee.com/prod_images_blowup/Starbucks-Frapp-Bottles1.jpg

I just discovered this, which tastes EXACTLY the same. It's awesome:

http://www.westsoy.biz/images/products/x450/07487396444.jpg

I'll have to look for those. Maybe Whole Foods has them...?

Have you had a chance to try the MorningStar Meal Starters? Totally vegan and totally good. The chicken they got is fantastic.

[Ben]

True, there are different shades of vegan, myself currently falling into the "aspiring, with the occassionally slippage" shade of vegan. I am not one to get super anal about what it means to be vegan, I just thought I would chime in on those veggie slices because, well......milk is milk. And milk really isn't vegan. Just wanted to put that out there.
Don't worry, I wasn't criticizing you for mentioning it. I was just adding.

[Albert]

True, there are different shades of vegan, myself currently falling into the "aspiring, with the occassionally slippage" shade of vegan. I am not one to get super anal about what it means to be vegan, I just thought I would chime in on those veggie slices because, well......milk is milk. And milk really isn't vegan. Just wanted to put that out there.

I don't think people's diets should adhere to any rules other than the ones they deem appropriate for themselves.

[spencerdidyrmom]

I don't think people's diets should adhere to any rules other than the ones they deem appropriate for themselves.

Can't argue with that. Especially if someone decides for themself that being vegan is what they consider appropriate for their diet.

[Shane W]

I don't think people's diets should adhere to any rules other than the ones they deem appropriate for themselves.

That's great FOR YOU.

[Ray G.]

That's great FOR YOU.

And besides, isn't that what everyone does? Some people decide that the rules they determine for themselves include vegetarianism, some decide that they include religious strictures. It's a solely personal decision.

Me? I'm morally opposed to Rhubarb.

[AAlgar]

And besides, isn't that what everyone does? Some people decide that the rules they determine for themselves include vegetarianism, some decide that they include religious strictures. It's a solely personal decision.

Me? I'm morally opposed to Rhubarb.

Plants are living things. I bet they feel pain when you yank them out by their roots.

You and I should start the Sufferin' Succotash movement.

[Ben]

Plants are living things. I bet they feel pain when you yank them out by their roots.

You and I should start the Sufferin' Succotash movement.People say the pain thing a lot. Even I did. But when you actually study what pain is and why it's evolved, it really doesn't make sense that plants should feel pain. Pain exists to motivate you do DO SOMETHING about the source of the pain. You get stabbed, it hurts, you stop whatever's stabbing you. In addition, injuries that aren't really fixable don't hurt as much - you don't really have pain receptors in your brain or spinal cord - if you get injured there, you're pretty much fucked.

Since plants are immobile, there's no much they can do to stop you from picking their leaves off. It would make no sense for pain to evolve in that circumstance. There has been research showing sort of an "alarm response" where plants can signal other plants if they're being eaten, so those other plants can ramp up their own chemical defenses. But I think that's about it. Plants don't have anything even approaching a nerve system.

So, yeah, the whole "plants are alive, too, murderer!" thing is fun if you like tired jokes. No one should take it seriously, though.

[AAlgar]

I :heart: tired jokes.

[mattbrand]

I don't think people's diets should adhere to any rules other than the ones they deem appropriate for themselves.

Amen bro.

As someone who was vegetarian for 7 years, vegan for 4, and now am a complete meat eater again, I strongly adhere to the "to each their own" attitude.

[Smokinblues]

People say the pain thing a lot. Even I did. But when you actually study what pain is and why it's evolved, it really doesn't make sense that plants should feel pain. Pain exists to motivate you do DO SOMETHING about the source of the pain. You get stabbed, it hurts, you stop whatever's stabbing you. In addition, injuries that aren't really fixable don't hurt as much - you don't really have pain receptors in your brain or spinal cord - if you get injured there, you're pretty much fucked.

Since plants are immobile, there's no much they can do to stop you from picking their leaves off. It would make no sense for pain to evolve in that circumstance. There has been research showing sort of an "alarm response" where plants can signal other plants if they're being eaten, so those other plants can ramp up their own chemical defenses. But I think that's about it. Plants don't have anything even approaching a nerve system.

So, yeah, the whole "plants are alive, too, murderer!" thing is fun if you like tired jokes. No one should take it seriously, though.
why do plants have chemical defenses?

[Rosemary's Baby]

Amen bro.

As someone who was vegetarian for 7 years, vegan for 4, and now am a complete meat eater again, I strongly adhere to the "to each their own" attitude.

Why did you make the decision to start eating meat again?

[mattbrand]

Why did you make the decision to start eating meat again?

I realized that I was tired a lot. Lacking energy. I felt I needed a change.

And my wife read a book called Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type. It details that O blood types are meat eaters by blood chemistry. Not sure if the science lines up, but it makes sense in terms of humans' evolution, and when the other blood types formed in terms of the formation of the human agrarian lifestyle.

So I decided to try fish first. And I felt AMAZING. So I tried red meat. Again, AMAZING. Then eggs, then chicken. Now I eat meat every day, and I feel great, and I love it.

It's pretty amazing. If someone told me I would be eating how I am today a few years ago, I would have laughed at them.

[Ben]

why do plants have chemical defenses?To reduce herbivory.

When most people are against animal cruelty, it is because the animals are suffering. It's not out of some desire to see every living thing live out its biological goal of gene duplication.

Looking at it another way, you can take a more utilitarian approach. Assuming I'm going to continue living (have to say that up front to avoid the "then why don't you just kill yourself?" counter-argument), when I can choose to eat something that suffered when it was killed and something that did not suffer, one should choose the non-suffering choice if one cares about the suffering of others. That's the argument that made the most sense the more I learned about it

Also, there are all kinds of environmental reasons to choose a plant over an animal when it's time to eat.

[Ben]

And my wife read a book called Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type. It details that O blood types are meat eaters by blood chemistry. Not sure if the science lines up, but it makes sense in terms of humans' evolution, and when the other blood types formed in terms of the formation of the human agrarian lifestyle.
Hunter-gatherers didn't eat a lot of meat... But whatever.

[Albert]

And besides, isn't that what everyone does? Some people decide that the rules they determine for themselves include vegetarianism, some decide that they include religious strictures. It's a solely personal decision.

Me? I'm morally opposed to Rhubarb.

I don't know. Some people say things like "Well, you're not a real vegan if you eat _____." Or, "You're not a real vegetarian since you're eating _____." When really people should just live and let die. Dunna dun. Dunna dun.

[sleep]

How great are carts?

Well... have you ever seen one being cleaned?

Sick people germs, little kids in diapers in the seat part, other kids' shoes in the big part, multiplied by the number of shoppers per day, everyday, since the store was opened. That's what you're setting your food in.

Not that that's changed how I shop, yet... but I'm not sure carts are really that great.

[mattbrand]

Hunter-gatherers didn't eat a lot of meat... But whatever.

Hunter-gatherers in Africa did, didn't they? The old tribes of Bedouins from Saudi Arabia only eat meat and milk.

[AAlgar]

whatever.

The compelling, irrefutable arguments of science win again. Well played!

[AAlgar]

(To be fair, you ignored most of Ben's well thought out post over in #127.)

He was way over-responding to my throwaway Looney Tunes reference. I expected better of the 2nd funniest guy on the board.

[Tom Burgos]

T


I'll have to look for those. Maybe Whole Foods has them...?

Have you had a chance to try the MorningStar Meal Starters? Totally vegan and totally good. The chicken they got is fantastic.

They are terrific.

Now they have these nugget thingies in various flavors, "egg n cheese", spinach florentine, mushrooms...delicious!

[Tom Burgos]

I realized that I was tired a lot. Lacking energy. I felt I needed a change.

And my wife read a book called Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type. It details that O blood types are meat eaters by blood chemistry. Not sure if the science lines up, but it makes sense in terms of humans' evolution, and when the other blood types formed in terms of the formation of the human agrarian lifestyle.

So I decided to try fish first. And I felt AMAZING. So I tried red meat. Again, AMAZING. Then eggs, then chicken. Now I eat meat every day, and I feel great, and I love it.

It's pretty amazing. If someone told me I would be eating how I am today a few years ago, I would have laughed at them.

The body is a fascinating thing.
I definitely believe you and I respect your decision.

In my case, it's always been the opposite: once I stopped eating meat, my levels of energy and stamina increased dramatically, and as I grow older, instead of getting more tired and exhausted, I find these reserves of energy that seem to come from out of nowhere.
And also, I never feel bloated or dragged down after I eat, which always happened when I was a meat-eater.

[Ben]

He was way over-responding to my throwaway Looney Tunes reference. I expected better of the 2nd funniest guy on the board.References? I expect people to make their own jokes!

[AAlgar]

References? I expect people to make their own jokes!

I :heart: you.

[Ben]

I :heart: you.What, is that a reference to a Martina McBride song?

[AAlgar]

What, is that a reference to a Martina McBride song?

About a third of Albert's posts.

[Ben]

About a third of Albert's posts.
One 'a these days, AAlgar!

*shakes fist*

One 'a these days!

[Afny]

I realized that I was tired a lot. Lacking energy. I felt I needed a change.

And my wife read a book called Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type. It details that O blood types are meat eaters by blood chemistry. Not sure if the science lines up, but it makes sense in terms of humans' evolution, and when the other blood types formed in terms of the formation of the human agrarian lifestyle.

So I decided to try fish first. And I felt AMAZING. So I tried red meat. Again, AMAZING. Then eggs, then chicken. Now I eat meat every day, and I feel great, and I love it.

It's pretty amazing. If someone told me I would be eating how I am today a few years ago, I would have laughed at them.

Could it be that you just lacked Protein in your diet?

[Shane W]

Could it be that you just lacked Protein in your diet?


Or perhaps iron. But if he's happy, let him eat what he wants and that goes for all of you.. Except Albert, I don't trust him.

[AAlgar]

Or perhaps iron. But if he's happy, let him eat what he wants and that goes for all of you.. Except Albert, I don't trust him.

He :heart:s you.

[mattbrand]

Could it be that you just lacked Protein in your diet?

Possibly, but I was very conscious of what I was eating. I ate plenty of beans and rice combinations, nut butters, and raw nuts. I even took spirulina and other supplements.

I've seen some unhealthy vegans who only eat carb-loaded foods, and I definitely was not that.

[Albert]

He :heart:s you.

I hate you.

[Afny]

Possibly, but I was very conscious of what I was eating. I ate plenty of beans and rice combinations, nut butters, and raw nuts. I even took spirulina and other supplements.

I've seen some unhealthy vegans who only eat carb-loaded foods, and I definitely was not that.

Iron still might be a good explanation for that...I don't know if any of those things had it. Also, off topic, but, how did you find out your blood type? I don't know mine, and apparently, it was recorded when I was born.

[mattbrand]

Iron still might be a good explanation for that...I don't know if any of those things had it. Also, off topic, but, how did you find out your blood type? I don't know mine, and apparently, it was recorded when I was born.

I thought iron was the problem, and I started taking iron supplements. I also cook almost always with cast iron pans, which is a good way to get some iron in your food.

And to tell your blood type...a blood test at the doctor is the only way I know.

[Afny]

I thought iron was the problem, and I started taking iron supplements. I also cook almost always with cast iron pans, which is a good way to get some iron in your food.

And to tell your blood type...a blood test at the doctor is the only way I know.

Damn, they cost like 70 bucks. I was kind of hoping they'd tell you if you donated blood or something.

[ClintP]

Damn, they cost like 70 bucks. I was kind of hoping they'd tell you if you donated blood or something.

They do.

[Afny]

They do.

Sweet.