Questions To All Captain America Fans

[WinstonWolf]

Just a few questions I have about the continuity. Remember when the Red Skull came back in a cloned body of Steve Rogers in Captain America #350? He was exposed to his dust of death. First of all, was he trying to get Cap with his dust of death anyway? Because he was smoking it when he was alone. He had it with him like the WHOLE issue. Anyway, when was the first appearance of the Red Skull after his face became an actual, well, Red Skull? And how did he react? Also, was Captain ever friendly with, and or on good terms at any point, with Armin Zola or Crossbones? Or have they always hated each other? Thanks.

[WinstonWolf]

Anyone?

[Kingsumo]

Sorry, I am rather fond of Cap and all, but most of my knowledge is either many years before or after what you are asking.

[Dermie]

Just a few questions I have about the continuity. Remember when the Red Skull came back in a cloned body of Steve Rogers in Captain America #350? He was exposed to his dust of death. First of all, was he trying to get Cap with his dust of death anyway?

Yes, he was about to blow it in Cap's face, but USAgent saved him.


Also, was Captain ever friendly with, and or on good terms at any point, with Armin Zola or Crossbones? Or have they always hated each other? Thanks.

No, they've always been enemies.

[WinstonWolf]

Yes, he was about to blow it in Cap's face, but USAgent saved him.



No, they've always been enemies.


Thanks. But why was he smoking it when he was alone? And how did the Skull react when he next appeared?

[Foolish Mortal]

Just a few questions I have about the continuity. Remember when the Red Skull came back in a cloned body of Steve Rogers in Captain America #350? He was exposed to his dust of death. First of all, was he trying to get Cap with his dust of death anyway? Because he was smoking it when he was alone. He had it with him like the WHOLE issue. Anyway, when was the first appearance of the Red Skull after his face became an actual, well, Red Skull? And how did he react? Also, was Captain ever friendly with, and or on good terms at any point, with Armin Zola or Crossbones? Or have they always hated each other? Thanks.
It wasn't the 'dust of death', that batch of dust was just to disfigure Steve's face. So that Steve would look like the Red Skull and he would have Steve's "pretty face". He planned it as sorta a sick joke.

But Walker disrupted the scene when he hit Skull from behind and Skull got hit in the face with the dust instead of Steve and the Skull's "pretty face" got disfigured.

[Jerome Gibbons]

It wasn't the 'dust of death', that batch of dust was just to disfigure Steve's face. So that Steve would look like the Red Skull and he would have Steve's "pretty face". He planned it as sorta a sick joke.

But Walker disrupted the scene when he hit Skull from behind and Skull got hit in the face with the dust instead of Steve and the Skull's "pretty face" got disfigured.

Johann got pwned.

[Foolish Mortal]

Oh...neither Zola or Crossbones have ever been friends with Cap.

Crossbones has a tiny bit of respect for Cap as an opponent, but that's all.

[Dermie]

Thanks. But why was he smoking it when he was alone? And how did the Skull react when he next appeared?

I don't think it was the same cigarette--Cap noticed that the Skull wasn't inhaling while he was smoking.

I don't recall the Skull really reacting to it much when he next appeared. I don't think he dwelled on it much.

[WinstonWolf]

Oh...neither Zola or Crossbones have ever been friends with Cap.

Crossbones has a tiny bit of respect for Cap as an opponent, but that's all.

Hmmm, interesting. When was this revealed? I ask because I have the issue where Cap was dying, and he tried to make peace with Crossbones, but he didn't really succeed.

[WinstonWolf]

It wasn't the 'dust of death', that batch of dust was just to disfigure Steve's face. So that Steve would look like the Red Skull and he would have Steve's "pretty face". He planned it as sorta a sick joke.

But Walker disrupted the scene when he hit Skull from behind and Skull got hit in the face with the dust instead of Steve and the Skull's "pretty face" got disfigured.

I think it was because Captain America said that the Skull got his actual Red Skull from exposure to his dust of death.

[Dermie]

Hmmm, interesting. When was this revealed? I ask because I have the issue where Cap was dying, and he tried to make peace with Crossbones, but he didn't really succeed.

I don't think it was really a case of it being "revealed", as just something you pick up on from reading--Crossbones considers Cap to be a worthy and dangerous opponent, and you can see that in the way he responds to him.

[Foolish Mortal]

Hmmm, interesting. When was this revealed? I ask because I have the issue where Cap was dying, and he tried to make peace with Crossbones, but he didn't really succeed.
From the very beginning it was established that Crossbones loves to fight, but only fight strong opponents. He sees Cap as the ultimate trophy, and wants to beat him.

In Capt. America #4, Cap's mind was being effected by Lukin's cosmic cube, and he couldn't fight at 100%. Cap and Crossbones have a run in, and they start fighting. But Crossbones sees Cap is not fighting at 100%. Crossbones is disgusted by this, and ends the fight and leaves. He only wants to beat Cap when Cap is at full capacity.


I think it was because Captain America said that the Skull got his actual Red Skull from exposure to his dust of death.
Well yeah. That's what I said. :lol:

Originally, Johann just wore a red skull mask, but the dust he was exposed to, (which he intended for Steve) actually fucked up his face.

[c. page]

I think it was because Captain America said that the Skull got his actual Red Skull from exposure to his dust of death.

the dust of death was not in the cigarette itself (or the smoke) but in the cigarette holder the skull used. he'd bite down on it to spray it, IIRC. so when he was smoking earlier, he was doing just that, smoking. it was only when he wanted to nail cap with it that he bit down on the holder.

and john walker saved steve's ass.

[WinstonWolf]

I just thought that the Skull was kind of immune from the effects of his own dust of death after using it for so long.

[c. page]

I just thought that the Skull was kind of immune from the effects of his own dust of death after using it for so long.

nope, as evidenced by the lovely red skull he was sporting at the end of 350.

[Foolish Mortal]

I just thought that the Skull was kind of immune from the effects of his own dust of death after using it for so long.
This was a special batch of the dust.

[WinstonWolf]

I meant that he was immune from dying from it. It could kill other people, but the skull probably built up enough exposure to it for him to survive.

[Foolish Mortal]

I meant that he was immune from dying from it. It could kill other people, but the skull probably built up enough exposure to it for him to survive.
How? He wasn't in his original body anymore, he was in a cloned body of Steve Rogers. It hadn't been shown if he even used the dust in his clone body before that scene.

Like I said, this batch of dust was intended to disfigure Steve, not kill him.

[WinstonWolf]

How? He wasn't in his original body anymore, he was in a cloned body of Steve Rogers. It hadn't been shown if he even used the dust in his clone body before that scene.

Like I said, this batch of dust was intended to disfigure Steve, not kill him.

Hmmm, good point. But I do think the Skull was trying to kill Steve. I mean, he could have.

[c. page]

Hmmm, good point. But I do think the Skull was trying to kill Steve. I mean, he could have.

according to marvel.com, the dosage was lethal, but the skull survived due to years of low level doses.

so yeah, somebody kinda fucked up on that one.

[WinstonWolf]

according to marvel.com, the dosage was lethal, but the skull survived due to years of low level doses.

so yeah, somebody kinda fucked up on that one.

That's kind of what I thought.

[c. page]

That's kind of what I thought.

i actually want to dig through my old comics and find the official handbook of the marvel universe entry on him, to see if they say the same thing.

but i'm terribly lazy.

[Blandy vs Terrorism]

Does smoking death dust cause death, or just increase the risk of death?

[Jef UK]

Does smoking death dust cause death, or just increase the risk of death?

Dude, I just puffed some purple smoking death dust, and it will totally blow your mind, seriously.

Actually it's called, "Purple Cali." Anything purple is good. Purple is the new black!

[youdontknowme]

i remember an issue of captain america where red skull fought kingpin in a baseball stadium and i seem to remember red skull stripping down to just his underwear to fight

at least i hoped i am remembering it right and not just make up red skull porn fantasy

[Foolish Mortal]

according to marvel.com, the dosage was lethal, but the skull survived due to years of low level doses.

so yeah, somebody kinda fucked up on that one.
But that doesn't make sense because he wasn't in the clone body for years. Whoever wrote that screwed up.

Which isn't surprising. A lot of the info in the character bios is inaccurate. They're written by fans rather than Marvel editorial staff.

[Dermie]

i remember an issue of captain america where red skull fought kingpin in a baseball stadium and i seem to remember red skull stripping down to just his underwear to fight

at least i hoped i am remembering it right and not just make up red skull porn fantasy

You're remembering it right. Red Skull and Kingpin both stripped to their undies, to prove they were unarmed.

[c. page]

But that doesn't make sense because he wasn't in the clone body for years. Whoever wrote that screwed up.

Which isn't surprising. A lot of the info in the character bios is inaccurate. They're written by fans rather than Marvel editorial staff.

which is why i said somebody fucked up.

i want to say that the entry in the OHOTMU update 89 mentioned some reason that the skull didn't die, but i have no idea where the issue is.

[Kefky]

You're remembering it right. Red Skull and Kingpin both stripped to their undies, to prove they were unarmed.

And I don't give a damn about how corny it was, that arc one of the best cap stories ever! :D

[c. page]

And I don't give a damn about how corny it was, that arc one of the best cap stories ever! :D

one of my favorite eras of cap.

pretty much from when kieron dwyer was drawing it up through ron lim's last issue.

[Kefky]

one of my favorite eras of cap.

pretty much from when kieron dwyer was drawing it up through ron lim's last issue.

:thumb:


Gruenwald wrote the best "superhero" Cap stories, Bru's writing the best "soldier" Cap stories. :)

[Dermie]

Although I know a lot of people hate it, I enjoyed "The Superia Strategem", where Superia has assembled an army of female supervillains, and she has captured Cap and Paladin and plans on using her 'feminization' process to turn them into women. Sure, it was kinda goofy...but it was fun! :)

(the scene with Cap and Paladin using female villain's costumes to "disguise" themselves in drag was kinda lame though--the costumes are spandex; it doesn't look any different than them in their regular costumes!)

[Kefky]

Although I know a lot of people hate it, I enjoyed "The Superia Strategem", where Superia has assembled an army of female supervillains, and she has captured Cap and Paladin and plans on using her 'feminization' process to turn them into women. Sure, it was kinda goofy...but it was fun! :)

(the scene with Cap and Paladin using female villain's costumes to "disguise" themselves in drag was kinda lame though--the costumes are spandex; it doesn't look any different than them in their regular costumes!)

Heh, I liked that too. Cap and Paladin made a great team.

I honestly thought the book was solid until issue 410. After that, it went to the crapper.

[c. page]

:thumb:


Gruenwald wrote the best "superhero" Cap stories, Bru's writing the best "soldier" Cap stories. :)

i really liked the cap/diamondback relationship.


Heh, I liked that too. Cap and Paladin made a great team.

I honestly thought the book was solid until issue 410. After that, it went to the crapper.

when was capwolf?

[Dermie]

i really liked the cap/diamondback relationship.

Me too, and I really wish someone would do something with Diamondback. I'd either like Brubaker to check in with her over in the CAP book, or have Bendis bring her into the New Avengers.


when was capwolf?

#402-408, I think.

[c. page]

Me too, and I really wish someone would do something with Diamondback. I'd either like Brubaker to check in with her over in the CAP book, or have Bendis bring her into the New Avengers.



#402-408, I think.

yeah, cap-wolf pretty much killed the book for me.

and diamondback on the new avengers would kick 8 kinds of ass. :thumb:

[WinstonWolf]

The Skull\Kingpin face off happened in the Streets of Poison storyline. Good story. I'm looking to get into back issues of Cap. I was just wondering if the Skull ever touched upon his appearance after he became an actual Red Skull. About the cigarette thing, I think the Skull was trying to kill Rogers, but he made it so that he was immune to his dust (the Skull being immune.). Also, when have Zola and Captain America fought? Thanks.