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Donal DeLay
07-05-2007, 02:30 PM
I hear a lot of people bitch and complain that they had a hard day at the office. Oh, I'm SO exhausted. I worked so hard.

No, you didn't. That guy reshingling your neighbor's roof has a hard job. HE has a hard day. You sat at a desk and typed or answered phones, or got paperwork.

That guy selling fruit on the corner had to stand in the sun all day to feed his family. YOU had air conditioning and had to stand in front of a copy machine.

That guy mowing your lawn worked hard. YOU went online while at work.

You might have had a LONG day, but if you're not physically doing something strenuous all day I don't think you have the right to say you had a HARD day. And you definitely shouldn't say you're exhausted. When you're riding the bus home from your office job, and telling the guy next to you wearing construction boots you just had a hard day, busted your ass, and are exhausted ... don't be surprised when he calls you an asshole.

So next time you plop down on the couch and sigh "ugh! What a day" remember what you COULD be doing and shut the fuck up.

I include myself in this rant. At night, I may work hard for a few hours, but I NEVER say I had a rough night, or worked hard, or am physically exhausted in front of the night stockers, because they work twice as hard as me, and longer hours. They don't have my luxuries and I don't need to rub it in their faces like most of the employees there do.

Kingsumo
07-05-2007, 02:34 PM
How very angry.

You present a very valid point though, which is one of the reasons I will never say that myself.. I am well aware I am very spoiled in my job, and while it may sometimes have long days, I have worked worse and remember that.

Donal DeLay
07-05-2007, 02:36 PM
Didn't mean to sound angry, just absolute.

Ben
07-05-2007, 02:37 PM
I had a hard day today. I had to sit outside and check off bees that arrived at their nest. It was 100 degrees out and I could not sit in the shade.

But working in an office is hard work, too.

KarlH
07-05-2007, 02:37 PM
I hear a lot of people bitch and complain that they had a hard day at the office. Oh, I'm SO exhausted. I worked so hard.

No, you didn't. That guy reshingling your neighbor's roof has a hard job. HE has a hard day. You sat at a desk and typed or answered phones, or got paperwork.

That guy selling fruit on the corner had to stand in the sun all day to feed his family. YOU had air conditioning and had to stand in front of a copy machine.

That guy mowing your lawn worked hard. YOU went online while at work.

You might have had a LONG day, but if you're not physically doing something strenuous all day I don't think you have the right to say you had a HARD day. And you definitely shouldn't say you're exhausted. When you're riding the bus home from your office job, and telling the guy next to you wearing construction boots you just had a hard day, busted your ass, and are exhausted ... don't be surprised when he calls you an asshole.

So next time you plop down on the couch and sigh "ugh! What a day" remember what you COULD be doing and shut the fuck up.

I include myself in this rant. At night, I may work hard for a few hours, but I NEVER say I had a rough night, or worked hard, or am physically exhausted in front of the night stockers, because they work twice as hard as me, and longer hours. They don't have my luxuries and I don't need to rub it in their faces like most of the employees there do.

Because physical exertion is the measure of work? I call BS on that.

adam_warlock_2099
07-05-2007, 02:42 PM
Because physical exertion is the measure of work? I call BS on that.

While I will admit that physical labor and "mental" labor are two different things, both are difficult in their own way. The shit I have to do here on the computer and the paperwork I would trade in an instant to get back out into the warehouse and fucking sweat my ass off.

I would take physical labor over sitting and answering the phone and listening to assinine customers ANY day.

greg donovan
07-05-2007, 02:42 PM
Because physical exertion is the measure of work? I call BS on that.

no, complaining about having a exhausting day at the office while talking to a construction worker is nearing douche bag status.

Kingsumo
07-05-2007, 02:42 PM
How very angry.

You present a very valid point though, which is one of the reasons I will never say that myself.. I am well aware I am very spoiled in my job, and while it may sometimes have long days, I have worked worse and remember that.

No worries. I actually look forward to your angry tirades as much as I look forward to Keith P's bizarre tales.

Because physical exertion is the measure of work? I call BS on that.

It is not necessarily physical exertion, but the nature of your work enviornment.. Sitting in a nice climate controlled office can sometimes be mentially draining, but it is still a hell of a lot better then having to even stand outside on an overly hot and nasty day.

moonspider
07-05-2007, 02:44 PM
it's been a hard days night...and ive been working like a dog.....

kari
07-05-2007, 02:46 PM
I like to go to the grocery store with blood still on my shoes.

greg donovan
07-05-2007, 02:46 PM
it's been a hard days night...and ive been working like a dog.....

but when i get home to you...

AAlgar
07-05-2007, 02:46 PM
it's been a hard days night...and ive been working like a dog.....

My dog sleeps 16 hours a day and licks her own butt.

Mylazycat
07-05-2007, 02:47 PM
What about the call center worker who has to spend eight hours listening to greedy people tell him he's a loser, to take it up the ass and to wish his family death in a car crash because he won't give them free stuff or zero down their bills? Sure, he's just sitting there, but I assure you that after 8 non stop hours of hearing variations of "Go fuck yourself asshole!", save for quick breaks and lunch, he *will* be mentally done for, exhausted.

My english teacher used to tell us that we should feel tired at the end of a 3 hour exam because that kind of stress and non stop thinking does that to you. If you didn't feel like that at the end of the exam, she said, you probably just breezed thru it and didn't really care what your answers were.

greg donovan
07-05-2007, 02:47 PM
this reminds me of the day a girl at work was bitching about howw crappy her day had been so far.

my response, "Yeah? my car burst into flames last night and burned to the ground."

moonspider
07-05-2007, 02:48 PM
but when i get home to you...




everything seems to be right

adam_warlock_2099
07-05-2007, 02:49 PM
What about the call center worked who has to spend eight hours listening to greedy people tell him he's a loser, to take it up the ass and to wish his family death in a car crash because he won't give them free stuff or zero down their bills? Sure, he's just sitting there, but I assure you that after 8 non stop hours of hearing variations of "Go fuck yourself asshole!", save for quick breaks and lunch, he *will* be mentally done for, exhausted.

My english teacher used to tell us that we should feel tired at the end of a 3 hour exam because that kind of stress and non stop thinking does that to you. If you didn't feel like that at the end of the exam, she said, you probably just breezed thru it and didn't really care what your answers were.

And that's why I'd take physical labor over any mental labor, when it comes to secular work.

Ben
07-05-2007, 02:49 PM
My dog sleeps 16 hours a day and licks her own butt.You think it's easy licking your own butt? Just try it.

Kingsumo
07-05-2007, 02:49 PM
What about the call center worked who has to spend eight hours listening to greedy people tell him he's a loser, to take it up the ass and to wish his family death in a car crash because he won't give them free stuff or zero down their bills? Sure, he's just sitting there, but I assure you that after 8 non stop hours of hearing variations of "Go fuck yourself asshole!", save for quick breaks and lunch, he *will* be mentally done for, exhausted.

My english teacher used to tell us that we should feel tired at the end of a 3 hour exam because that kind of stress and non stop thinking does that to you. If you didn't feel like that at the end of the exam, she said, you probably just breezed thru it and didn't really care what your answers were.


Did that for 8 years. I so know that beat down feeling you get. Never again.

moonspider
07-05-2007, 02:49 PM
My dog sleeps 16 hours a day and licks her own butt.




i'd like to see you do that

Patrick J
07-05-2007, 02:49 PM
I teach Special Ed in Camden, NJ.

AAlgar
07-05-2007, 02:50 PM
You think it's easy licking your own butt? Just try it.

So... autoanalingus is more work than construction?

kari
07-05-2007, 02:50 PM
i'd like to see you do that

:shock:

Kinky...

Kingsumo
07-05-2007, 02:51 PM
I teach Special Ed in Camden, NJ.


That IMO warrants praise.

KarlH
07-05-2007, 02:53 PM
no, complaining about having a exhausting day at the office while talking to a construction worker is nearing douche bag status.

So what, trauma surgeons, doctors, nurses, teachers, ballet dancers, postal workers, bag boys and IT guys running their asses off all day can't complain about their day to a construction worker?

Mylazycat
07-05-2007, 02:53 PM
To be fair, there is a manager at our office, who handles sales and fraud and has more on his plate than any of the other managers and he used to work outdoors on road crews that laid down the pavement and he says that was the worse job ever. You got sweaty and hot, sticky, then sand and dust and dirt stuck to your skin, went up your nostrils, ect. Sometimes he had to stand out there in the middle of something in blazing heat and had to pee real bad but what was being done had to be done and he did not have the option of just getting up from his desk and using the washroom when he wanted.

I can see both sides.

greg donovan
07-05-2007, 02:56 PM
So what, trauma surgeons, doctors, nurses, teachers, ballet dancers, postal workers, bag boys and IT guys running their asses off all day can't complain about their day to a construction worker?

the last time i checked most of those jobs arent considered "office" jobs. and i wouldnt think the IT job is a traditional office job either.

quit trying to pick a fight.

Mylazycat
07-05-2007, 02:57 PM
Did that for 8 years. I so know that beat down feeling you get. Never again.


8 years?

8 YEARS?!?!

Sweet Zombie Elvis.

I'm at two years exact and I'm about to crack. If I don't get an off phone promotion by Christmas I'm gone, even if it is good money.

moonspider
07-05-2007, 02:59 PM
:shock:

Kinky...




cool as ice

moonspider
07-05-2007, 03:00 PM
You think it's easy licking your own butt? Just try it.



gimmie a sec

Donal DeLay
07-05-2007, 03:05 PM
no, complaining about having a exhausting day at the office while talking to a construction worker is nearing douche bag status. Bingo. Telling someone who works harder than you that you just worked hard is a dickmove.


What about the call center worker who has to spend eight hours listening to greedy people tell him he's a loser, to take it up the ass and to wish his family death in a car crash because he won't give them free stuff or zero down their bills? Sure, he's just sitting there, but I assure you that after 8 non stop hours of hearing variations of "Go fuck yourself asshole!", save for quick breaks and lunch, he *will* be mentally done for, exhausted.

My english teacher used to tell us that we should feel tired at the end of a 3 hour exam because that kind of stress and non stop thinking does that to you. If you didn't feel like that at the end of the exam, she said, you probably just breezed thru it and didn't really care what your answers were.
So what, trauma surgeons, doctors, nurses, teachers, ballet dancers, postal workers, bag boys and IT guys running their asses off all day can't complain about their day to a construction worker? Like I said, you can have a LONG day, but it certainly isn't a HARD day. I file mental stress and exhaustion under LONG day. Because in the end, you're not really physically tired, and a lot of people just brush off assholes who belittle them, like I do. People can belittle me all day, and I have to mentally push myself on my comic pages all day, but that doesn't mean I'm tired or I worked hard. It means I had a long stressful day.

Likewise, I don't think the guy slinging shingles should talk to a surgeon about being stressed out by his job, and I don't think the surgeon should talk about being physically exhausted, even though neither one would probably trade their jobs for the other.

Get my point? Know your place in conversations is what I'm saying, or you may inadvertantly insult someone next to you. Like a rich man sitting next to a homeless man and telling him about how he's having money troubles.

Hence "everyone has the hardest job"

Kingsumo
07-05-2007, 03:11 PM
8 years?

8 YEARS?!?!

Sweet Zombie Elvis.

I'm at two years exact and I'm about to crack. If I don't get an off phone promotion by Christmas I'm gone, even if it is good money.

Yeah, spread over two different companies. A lot of it was spent in supervisory type positions, but that just meant the were all kinds of escalted before the got to me.

However, my ex works in adult care (special needs group home thing). And watching what she does for even a day, I knew my job could never be that hard.

Masculine Todd
07-05-2007, 03:11 PM
Actually, my job is pretty easy. I sit in the library for six hours and mess around on the internet while scanning people in and, you know, making sure they don't have sex in the bathroom.

When I'm done with that, I go to the dinning commons and act as student manager, where I walk around and tell other students what to do for four hours.

Not hard at all.

Last summer though, my job was harder than yours, so eat it! :razz: (I did painting and landscaping for 12 hours a day, six-to-seven days a week for minimum wage. That sucked)

DrMachine
07-05-2007, 03:12 PM
Didn't mean to sound angry, just absolute.

Which doesn't equate with anger at all.

:lol:

Fat Randy
07-05-2007, 03:14 PM
Eh I sit on my ass all day at a call center looking at message boards and talk to people about Playstation

Scotty
07-05-2007, 03:15 PM
I hear a lot of people bitch and complain that they had a hard day at the office. Oh, I'm SO exhausted. I worked so hard.

No, you didn't. That guy reshingling your neighbor's roof has a hard job. HE has a hard day. You sat at a desk and typed or answered phones, or got paperwork.

That guy selling fruit on the corner had to stand in the sun all day to feed his family. YOU had air conditioning and had to stand in front of a copy machine.

That guy mowing your lawn worked hard. YOU went online while at work.

You might have had a LONG day, but if you're not physically doing something strenuous all day I don't think you have the right to say you had a HARD day. And you definitely shouldn't say you're exhausted. When you're riding the bus home from your office job, and telling the guy next to you wearing construction boots you just had a hard day, busted your ass, and are exhausted ... don't be surprised when he calls you an asshole.

So next time you plop down on the couch and sigh "ugh! What a day" remember what you COULD be doing and shut the fuck up.

I include myself in this rant. At night, I may work hard for a few hours, but I NEVER say I had a rough night, or worked hard, or am physically exhausted in front of the night stockers, because they work twice as hard as me, and longer hours. They don't have my luxuries and I don't need to rub it in their faces like most of the employees there do.


Hell yeah! I so did that last week and it fucking sucked!

Donal DeLay
07-05-2007, 03:17 PM
Hell yeah! I so did that last week and it fucking sucked!
I've heard some shitty stories about people having to lug those shingles up a ladder.

We've got regular customers that'll tip our delivery drivers an extra 50bucks of their personal money if he'll just raise the pallet TO the roof so they can unload it.

Run-BMC
07-05-2007, 03:17 PM
no, complaining about having a exhausting day at the office while talking to a construction worker is nearing douche bag status.

Then I guess Mike Judge is a fucking asshole for what he implies with the ending of Office Space.

Donal DeLay
07-05-2007, 03:18 PM
Then I guess Mike Judge is a fucking asshole for what he implies with the ending of Office Space.

I don't remember that ending.

moonspider
07-05-2007, 03:20 PM
being a pornstar has to be the hardest...i mean, seriously, it involves you being hard for long periods of time






yes, bad joke....but whateva

Lyfeforce
07-05-2007, 03:21 PM
I've actually got an easy job. Only hard part about it are the snotrags I have to work with.

kari
07-05-2007, 03:27 PM
I've heard some shitty stories about people having to lug those shingles up a ladder.

We've got regular customers that'll tip our delivery drivers an extra 50bucks of their personal money if he'll just raise the pallet TO the roof so they can unload it.

Fuck yeah! I would of given him 100 buck to lift those bastards up! I love to roof as long as I don't have to drag that shit up and down the ladder....in fact I was going to re roof our porch this summer...butttttttt....I gotta belly in the way. :lol:

Scotty
07-05-2007, 03:32 PM
I've heard some shitty stories about people having to lug those shingles up a ladder.

We've got regular customers that'll tip our delivery drivers an extra 50bucks of their personal money if he'll just raise the pallet TO the roof so they can unload it.

We didn't pay extra but we had him raise the fork lift up so we could put the shingles on the roof. They were some heavy bitches.

Donal DeLay
07-05-2007, 03:35 PM
We didn't pay extra but we had him raise the fork lift up so we could put the shingles on the roof. They were some heavy bitches. Yeah, well, the guys I work with are cheapskates always looking for a buck and will make shit up just to get out of doing that bit of "extra work" unless money is offered.

By policy they can't put them ON the roof, but they COULD be nice and just raise it, but they tend to weasel their way out unless paid.

Scotty
07-05-2007, 03:36 PM
Yeah, well, the guys I work with are cheapskates always looking for a buck and will make shit up just to get out of doing that bit of "extra work" unless money is offered.

By policy they can't put them ON the roof, but they COULD be nice and just raise it, but they tend to weasel their way out unless paid.

They had the fork lift all he got to do is drive it and raise it, we did all the work to get the shingles off the lift and stacked them on the roof. It sucked. Plus putting them on the roof was crazy hot. It was 95 degrees no shade on the roof. I fucking hated it.

Donal DeLay
07-05-2007, 03:42 PM
They had the fork lift all he got to do is drive it and raise it, we did all the work to get the shingles off the lift and stacked them on the roof. It sucked. Plus putting them on the roof was crazy hot. It was 95 degrees no shade on the roof. I fucking hated it.
Like I said, the drivers at my store will make shit up to get out of even doing that little extra beyond dropping it off at the curb.

Unless they get "tips", and they WILL milk it to as much as they can get.

niceguyeddie
07-05-2007, 03:43 PM
I hear a lot of people bitch and complain that they had a hard day at the office. Oh, I'm SO exhausted. I worked so hard.

No, you didn't. That guy reshingling your neighbor's roof has a hard job. HE has a hard day. You sat at a desk and typed or answered phones, or got paperwork.

That guy selling fruit on the corner had to stand in the sun all day to feed his family. YOU had air conditioning and had to stand in front of a copy machine.

That guy mowing your lawn worked hard. YOU went online while at work.

You might have had a LONG day, but if you're not physically doing something strenuous all day I don't think you have the right to say you had a HARD day. And you definitely shouldn't say you're exhausted. When you're riding the bus home from your office job, and telling the guy next to you wearing construction boots you just had a hard day, busted your ass, and are exhausted ... don't be surprised when he calls you an asshole.

So next time you plop down on the couch and sigh "ugh! What a day" remember what you COULD be doing and shut the fuck up.

I include myself in this rant. At night, I may work hard for a few hours, but I NEVER say I had a rough night, or worked hard, or am physically exhausted in front of the night stockers, because they work twice as hard as me, and longer hours. They don't have my luxuries and I don't need to rub it in their faces like most of the employees there do.

and you shouldn't complain all either... because I don't even have a job, which sucks.

also, i hate it when assholes complain about how much work and then they complain about not getting enough hours.

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 04:46 PM
Nobody can compare an office job to being a farmer. I'm sorry, but I grew up on a farm and let me tell you, trying to do number sheets is in no way comparable to picking rocks in 95 degree weather all day. Heating and Air Conditioning is hard work because your having to lift 100 lb compressors up stairs at commerical buildings in the heat PLUS having to try and figure out WHY it broke in the first place.

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 04:49 PM
So what, trauma surgeons, doctors, nurses, teachers, ballet dancers, postal workers, bag boys and IT guys running their asses off all day can't complain about their day to a construction worker?

If your over the age of 24 and still a bag boy, then you have a hard life, not a hard job.

jason hissong
07-05-2007, 04:59 PM
'hard' in regards to work is a relative term.

Thomas Mauer
07-05-2007, 05:01 PM
Didn't mean to sound angry, just absolute.
Desk jobs can be as hard on your brain as a mason's job can be on the brawns. If you have to think all day long, you're just as exhausted.

Thomas Mauer
07-05-2007, 05:08 PM
Likewise, I don't think the guy slinging shingles should talk to a surgeon about being stressed out by his job, and I don't think the surgeon should talk about being physically exhausted, even though neither one would probably trade their jobs for the other.
So basically you consider mental exhaustion something less than physical exhaustion? You're still beat, no matter which it is, Donnie.

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:11 PM
Desk jobs can be as hard on your brain as a mason's job can be on the brawns. If you have to think all day long, you're just as exhausted.

With all due respect, and please dont take this the wrong way, but I disagree. Yes, desk jobs can be hard, but being mentally exhausted is in no way comparable to physically exhausted. It's a lot easier to "recoup" and the next day feel refreshed and ready to go, than it is to wake up, have a stiff back and have to try and work through it.

Fat Randy
07-05-2007, 05:13 PM
Yeah, spread over two different companies. A lot of it was spent in supervisory type positions, but that just meant the were all kinds of escalted before the got to me.

However, my ex works in adult care (special needs group home thing). And watching what she does for even a day, I knew my job could never be that hard.



Thats funny cause I work in a call center and my girlfirend is a Teacher assiant for special needs kids. So I know excatly what this is like. My GF comes home with cuts and scraps all the type and the parents love to tell her and the other teachers that it's the schools fault that there kids have these disorders, pretty shit job

Thomas Mauer
07-05-2007, 05:15 PM
With all due respect, and please dont take this the wrong way, but I disagree. Yes, desk jobs can be hard, but being mentally exhausted is in no way comparable to physically exhausted. It's a lot easier to "recoup" and the next day feel refreshed and ready to go, than it is to wake up, have a stiff back and have to try and work through it.

I've done both types of jobs to the point of utter exhaustion with no end in sight for weeks. The only difference between physical and mental labor is HOW exhaustion manifests itself. To say one trumps the other is silly and sounds like something the working class in Communist countries used to do to get over their own inferiority complex (I've witnessed that as well countless times).

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:17 PM
Thats funny cause I work in a call center and my girlfirend is a Teacher assiant for special needs kids. So I know excatly what this is like. My GF comes home with cuts and scraps all the type and the parents love to tell her and the other teachers that it's the schools fault that there kids have these disorders, pretty shit job

It amazes me how few parents take responsibility for their kids. I'm so sick of people in society blaming everyone for their problems. 99% of the time it's your fault that your kid or life sucks. The worst part, is you just know those kids are gonna be like "whoe is me, my parents sucked so I cannot be a productive member of society". Seriously, far too many people blame their childhoods for their shitty mistakes, not everything is your parents fault, most of it is because your just a shitty person.

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:17 PM
Like I said, you can have a LONG day, but it certainly isn't a HARD day. I file mental stress and exhaustion under LONG day. Because in the end, you're not really physically tired, and a lot of people just brush off assholes who belittle them, like I do. People can belittle me all day, and I have to mentally push myself on my comic pages all day, but that doesn't mean I'm tired or I worked hard. It means I had a long stressful day.

Likewise, I don't think the guy slinging shingles should talk to a surgeon about being stressed out by his job, and I don't think the surgeon should talk about being physically exhausted, even though neither one would probably trade their jobs for the other.

Get my point? Know your place in conversations is what I'm saying, or you may inadvertantly insult someone next to you. Like a rich man sitting next to a homeless man and telling him about how he's having money troubles.

Hence "everyone has the hardest job"


So standing over a living persons chest performing major surgery for 4-8 hours is not physically exhausting?

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:19 PM
I've done both types of jobs to the point of utter exhaustion with no end in sight for weeks. The only difference between physical and mental labor is HOW exhaustion manifests itself. To say one trumps the other is silly and sounds like something the working class in Communist countries used to do to get over their own inferiority complex (I've witnessed that as well countless times).

So your saying that working in an air-conditioned office is the same as working in 100 degree heat on a roof? Sorry, I see what your saying, but doing spread sheets is in no way the equivalent of doing construction. Yes, office jobs can be stressful, but at the end of the day it's a lot easier to recover from a hard day mentally than a hard day physically.

Fat Randy
07-05-2007, 05:20 PM
It amazes me how few parents take responsibility for their kids. I'm so sick of people in society blaming everyone for their problems. 99% of the time it's your fault that your kid or life sucks. The worst part, is you just know those kids are gonna be like "whoe is me, my parents sucked so I cannot be a productive member of society". Seriously, far too many people blame their childhoods for their shitty mistakes, not everything is your parents fault, most of it is because your just a shitty person.


Not just that but a few parents refuse to believe that their child have problems that require them to be in specail needs and will pull them out and enroll them in a "normal" school. Now, how fucked up it that kid going to be when he's not able to keep up or interact with al the other kids? whos fault is that? oh yeah, my girlfriend and the other teachers:roll:

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:21 PM
So your saying that working in an air-conditioned office is the same as working in 100 degree heat on a roof? Sorry, I see what your saying, but doing spread sheets is in no way the equivalent of doing construction. Yes, office jobs can be stressful, but at the end of the day it's a lot easier to recover from a hard day mentally than a hard day physically.

Not really. Mental exhaustion can take longer to pass than Physical exhaustion. Just like Mental Trauma lasts longer than Physical Trauma.

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:23 PM
So standing over a living persons chest performing major surgery for 4-8 hours is not physically exhausting?

A trauma surgeons job is more mentally exhausting than physically. Physically hard work isnt standing for 5 hours straight, it's what your doing for those 5 hours.

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:25 PM
A trauma surgeons job is more mentally exhausting than physically. Physically hard work isnt standing for 5 hours straight, it's what your doing for those 5 hours.

No not really. Have you ever stood up on your two feet for 5 hours straight?

And it IS physically draining because your adrenaline is rushing, you are performing surgery. You are trying not to kill someone. Holding tools and cutting things open and repairing them. You walk out of there both Physically and Mentally Exhausted. Just because you don't work in the sun doesn't mean shit.

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:25 PM
Not really. Mental exhaustion can take longer to pass than Physical exhaustion. Just like Mental Trauma lasts longer than Physical Trauma.

Do you have proof of this? Not calling you out or anything, I'm just curious to read these reports.

I guess a lot of it depends on the kind of person you are, whenever I am mentally exhausted from trying to figure out how an A/C unit keeps breaking down, I sit down, drink a beer and watch something like Seinfeld or Curb and wish I was dating a hot chick :)

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:27 PM
No not really. Have you ever stood up on your two feet for 5 hours straight?

And it IS physically draining because your adrenaline is rushing, you are performing surgery. You are trying not to kill someone. Holding tools and cutting things open and repairing them. You walk out of there both Physically and Mentally Exhausted. Just because you don't work in the sun doesn't mean shit.

Of course I have stood on my feet for 5 straight hours, I have walked up and down fields picking rocks all day straight. I grew up on a farm and standing on my feet for 5 hours was essentially half a days work for me.

Thomas Mauer
07-05-2007, 05:31 PM
So your saying that working in an air-conditioned office is the same as working in 100 degree heat on a roof? Sorry, I see what your saying, but doing spread sheets is in no way the equivalent of doing construction. Yes, office jobs can be stressful, but at the end of the day it's a lot easier to recover from a hard day mentally than a hard day physically.

For one, there's no air conditioning in most German offices, so I can't relate to that. ;)

Then, comparing the type of work you do in an office with that on a construction site is apples and oranges. You use different faculties for each and neither physical nor mental labor is superior to the other. They can't be compared in that way.

Finally, while physical labor drains your bodily strength and can lead to chronic physical illnesses that make people age faster than people in office jobs, the mental stress of concentrating all day long especially in a shitty job such as a call center can lead to depression, anxiety, and total breakdowns that need other remedies than a dislocated back. Those are things physical laborers don't have to deal with as regularly as office workers, just as office workers don't come down with job related physical ailments as often as laborers.

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:31 PM
Do you have proof of this? Not calling you out or anything, I'm just curious to read these reports.

I guess a lot of it depends on the kind of person you are, whenever I am mentally exhausted from trying to figure out how an A/C unit keeps breaking down, I sit down, drink a beer and watch something like Seinfeld or Curb and wish I was dating a hot chick :)


I never said I had reports. Just in my experience at least from Mental Trauma, it passes quicker than any physical remnants of it. And Physical Exhaustion is usually cured by rest. depending on how exhausted you are mentally depends on how you can deal with. Maybe turning your brain off for a few hours helps. But then you can start thinking about it or maybe you just CAN'T Stop thinking about it. It all depends on the day and work man.


Of course I have stood on my feet for 5 straight hours, I have walked up and down fields picking rocks all day straight. I grew up on a farm and standing on my feet for 5 hours was essentially half a days work for me.

It sucks doesn't it. But Surgeons aren't just doing that they are performing surgery which is physically and mentally exhausting.

Picking up rocks isn't mentally exhausting ;)

Keith P.
07-05-2007, 05:31 PM
I've had physically intense labor jobs, and office jobs, customer service jobs, and sales jobs.

They were all exhausting, each in different ways.

A job can be just as emotionally, or mentally exhausting as ANY job involving physical activity.

People with white collar office jobs have those massive nervous breakdowns and therapy bills for a reason.

Mylazycat
07-05-2007, 05:32 PM
I read an article once that said the professions that had the highest suicide rates were psychiatrists, physicians, lawyers, and retired military officers. I think that says a lot about what being mentally exhausted does to you at the end of the day.

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:34 PM
I'm Strangely reminded of The Office episode where Michael convinces everyone that working in an Office is more dangerous than the Warehouse.

Mylazycat
07-05-2007, 05:35 PM
I'm Strangely reminded of The Office episode where Michael convinces everyone that working in an Office is more dangerous than the Warehouse.


Now dangerous vs non danerous is a whole other area.

That episode was hilarious, by the way.

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:36 PM
Now dangerous vs non danerous is a whole other area.

That episode was hilarious, by the way.

Well I mean, more risks involved anyway. Like jumping off an office building onto an inflatable Castle. :lol:

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:40 PM
At the end of the day I win.

Why you ask?

People in the construction field get more dates than people in any other field.

:)

xyzzy
07-05-2007, 05:41 PM
Stress can have a very negative physical effect on the body. Particularly when that person doesn't have any sort of physical activity to work it off.

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:42 PM
I read an article once that said the professions that had the highest suicide rates were psychiatrists, physicians, lawyers, and retired military officers. I think that says a lot about what being mentally exhausted does to you at the end of the day.

Nothing is harder physically or mentally than the Military. I think we can all agree on that, seriously I have the utmost respect for people in the military. I'm usually a pretty calm, laid back guy, but when people try to say their job is in anyway equal to the military I turn into a Country Boy version of the Hulk.

Jef UK
07-05-2007, 05:46 PM
I think you are making several false dichotomies and bad assumptions.

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:46 PM
Stress can have a very negative physical effect on the body. Particularly when that person doesn't have any sort of physical activity to work it off.

but Eustress is good!


At the end of the day I win.

Why you ask?

People in the construction field get more dates than people in any other field.

:)

Really? I thought it was mean in uniform ;)

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:49 PM
Really? I thought it was mean in uniform ;)

Your thinking of a sub-genre of Gay porn, dont feel bad I make the same mistake a lot too :twisted:

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:50 PM
Your thinking of a sub-genre of Gay porn, dont feel bad I make the same mistake a lot too :twisted:

Ohhh, so construction is a Major Category of Gay porn?
http://home.uchicago.edu/~holivey/Construction%20Worker2.jpg

lonesomefool
07-05-2007, 05:54 PM
Ohhh, so construction is a Major Category of Gay porn?
http://home.uchicago.edu/~holivey/Construction%20Worker2.jpg

Guys like that are why I'm glad I work solo. I would rather lug a compressor up stairs alone than be around hot, sweaty men all day :lol:

Magnum V.I.
07-05-2007, 05:55 PM
Guys like that are why I'm glad I work solo. I would rather lug a compressor up stairs alone than be around hot, sweaty men all day :lol:

I BET you do ;)

J Money
07-05-2007, 06:02 PM
Im a deckhand on tugboats, I really cant complain. Well I can, it sucks being away from dry land so long, not being able to contact your family, and its fucking dangerous!

But it pays the bills, put in your 45 days or work, get 30 days off to stay home and do nothing. Its like being unemployed for a month, except you still get paid. If that makes sense.

Mr. E!
07-05-2007, 06:19 PM
I used to be a housekeeper in a hospital mental ward. That was both physically and mentally exhausting.

JoeE
07-05-2007, 06:43 PM
Accounting is way harder than physical work.

Wastrel
07-05-2007, 06:50 PM
thats just stupid. i have worked as a construction worker, and as a roofer putting down hot tar with a flamethrower in the desert in the middle of summer. i now work as a professional artist who sits around drawing and painting all day and doing this is still sometimes harder and more exausting than the physical labor i did.

half guard
07-05-2007, 07:17 PM
I had to sit outside and jack off bees.

do what?

WinstonWolf
07-05-2007, 07:19 PM
I read an article once that said the professions that had the highest suicide rates were psychiatrists, physicians, lawyers, and retired military officers. I think that says a lot about what being mentally exhausted does to you at the end of the day.

That's a myth.

bartleby
07-05-2007, 07:27 PM
That's a myth.


Like the myth that smoking is bad for your health?

adam_warlock_2099
07-05-2007, 07:28 PM
thats just stupid. i have worked as a construction worker, and as a roofer putting down hot tar with a flamethrower in the desert in the middle of summer. i now work as a professional artist who sits around drawing and painting all day and doing this is still sometimes harder and more exausting than the physical labor i did.

As I say again, the reason that I will take physical labor over anything else ANY day.

Mylazycat
07-05-2007, 07:29 PM
Like the myth that smoking is bad for your health?

And excessive masturbation will cause blindness?

bartleby
07-05-2007, 07:31 PM
And excessive masturbation will cause blindness?

No, that's true. But your other senses will be enhanced to compensate for it.

WinstonWolf
07-05-2007, 07:32 PM
Like the myth that smoking is bad for your health?

It's bad for your health, but not as bad as it commonly believed.

Guirk the Thudner
07-05-2007, 07:40 PM
Dude, I work in a comicbook store and I am exhausted every day. The thing is you are as tired as you allow yourself to be mandated to work hard. If you are lazy as fuck you can avoid strain. At least, I hope that is how the world works.

Donal DeLay
07-05-2007, 11:44 PM
So basically you consider mental exhaustion something less than physical exhaustion? You're still beat, no matter which it is, Donnie. With mental exhaustion, the fatigue is all in your mind.

But I don't think it's lesser than. Just different.

It makes sense in my mind but maybe not when said (typed?) I just can't find the right way to explain it.


So standing over a living persons chest performing major surgery for 4-8 hours is not physically exhausting?


No not really. Have you ever stood up on your two feet for 5 hours straight?

I've stood on my feet for 12 hrs. And I've busted my ass for 12 hrs.

And yes, I'd rather bust my ass for 12 hrs than just stand for 12, or crunch numbers for 12 because when you finally relax after physical exhaustion it feels good.

When you finally relax from mental exhaustion it just feel physically good. It's just a calming period.

Blandy vs Terrorism
07-05-2007, 11:51 PM
After 2004, I'll never call any job I do "hard".

/(. . )/
07-05-2007, 11:58 PM
Donal,

Physical exhaustion is not superior or worse than mental exhaustion. They both are a result of depleted energy.

Work is exhausting. That's why they call it work. Physical work might free the mind, but one cannot function without control of their body. Mental work frees the body, but you cannot function without control of their mind.

In other words, your argument is full of shit (cute winky-smiley)

Donal DeLay
07-06-2007, 12:34 AM
Donal,

Physical exhaustion is not superior or worse than mental exhaustion. They both are a result of depleted energy.

Work is exhausting. That's why they call it work. Physical work might free the mind, but one cannot function without control of their body. Mental work frees the body, but you cannot function without control of their mind.

In other words, your argument is full of shit (cute winky-smiley)

um ... I'm gonna disagree. I think a person throwing bricks around in the sun works harder than a person filing reports.

I think a person mowing the lawn works harder than a person typing up reports.

I think a person performing an operation works harder than a person trying to sell magazines over the phone.

I think a person running a farm works harder than someone creating a spread sheet.

I think the guy working as a deckhand works harder than the guy at the call center.

I think there are people who shouldn't be complaining they had a "hard, exhausting day".

I don't think a guy in a porsche should be complaining about money troubles when he's standing in front a homeless man.

I don't think one is worse than the other, or better than the other, but I think one is working harder than the other. Having done both, this is how I feel. Others may feel differently, but this is how I feel.

And the basic gist of my initial post was: Don't be a dick around someone who's worse off, so the arguement isn't full of shit.

/(. . )/
07-06-2007, 01:10 AM
um ... I'm gonna disagree. I think a person throwing bricks around in the sun works harder than a person filing reports.

I think a person mowing the lawn works harder than a person typing up reports.

I think a person performing an operation works harder than a person trying to sell magazines over the phone.

I think a person running a farm works harder than someone creating a spread sheet.

I think the guy working as a deckhand works harder than the guy at the call center.

I think there are people who shouldn't be complaining they had a "hard, exhausting day".

I don't think a guy in a porsche should be complaining about money troubles when he's standing in front a homeless man.

I don't think one is worse than the other, or better than the other, but I think one is working harder than the other. Having done both, this is how I feel. Others may feel differently, but this is how I feel.

And the basic gist of my initial post was: Don't be a dick around someone who's worse off, so the arguement isn't full of shit.

what about a lawyer?

what about running a city?

or a classroom?

there are thousands of mentally exhausting jobs that you are not mentioning ;)

Donal DeLay
07-06-2007, 01:21 AM
what about a lawyer?

what about running a city?

or a classroom?

there are thousands of mentally exhausting jobs that you are not mentioning ;)
Some people work harder than others.

Take that how you will. Insulting or not.

TIP
07-06-2007, 03:31 AM
And the basic gist of my initial post was: Don't be a dick around someone who's worse off, so the argument isn't full of shit.

So...people with jobs that are more physically demanding are worse off than folk that don't?

T

dEnny!
07-06-2007, 03:44 AM
I hear a lot of people bitch and complain that they had a hard day at the office. Oh, I'm SO exhausted. I worked so hard.

No, you didn't. That guy reshingling your neighbor's roof has a hard job. HE has a hard day. You sat at a desk and typed or answered phones, or got paperwork.

That guy selling fruit on the corner had to stand in the sun all day to feed his family. YOU had air conditioning and had to stand in front of a copy machine.

That guy mowing your lawn worked hard. YOU went online while at work.

You might have had a LONG day, but if you're not physically doing something strenuous all day I don't think you have the right to say you had a HARD day. And you definitely shouldn't say you're exhausted. When you're riding the bus home from your office job, and telling the guy next to you wearing construction boots you just had a hard day, busted your ass, and are exhausted ... don't be surprised when he calls you an asshole.

So next time you plop down on the couch and sigh "ugh! What a day" remember what you COULD be doing and shut the fuck up.

I include myself in this rant. At night, I may work hard for a few hours, but I NEVER say I had a rough night, or worked hard, or am physically exhausted in front of the night stockers, because they work twice as hard as me, and longer hours. They don't have my luxuries and I don't need to rub it in their faces like most of the employees there do.

What about mental exhaustion? Stress? Dealing with demanding customers all day long.

What stress does that guy have who mows the lawn? He sits on his mower outside all day. That guy reshingling my roof, what stress does he have, pull the shingles off, lay them back down. I shingled and yes it is physically taxing, but it doesn't require much mental effort.

While in some regards I do agree because "it could be worse, I could be digging ditches," I don't think it's quite fair to dismiss how hard someone's job is or how hard someone's day has been. I'm responsible for getting 15K employees paid, yours is to MOW THE FREAKING LAWN. How hard is that? ;)

KingMob
07-06-2007, 03:45 AM
So...people with jobs that are more physically demanding are worse off than folk that don't?

T

Only if they are required to wear a uniform at the Borders cafe.

dEnny!
07-06-2007, 03:46 AM
So...people with jobs that are more physically demanding are worse off than folk that don't?

T

In some respect that is true because some of those jobs don't pay very well.

I don't think my job is hard and while I enjoy mowing my lawn, I don't think I could mow a lawn an hour, 5-7 days a week. The physical jobs break people down, I see our PPD (Grounds keepers) just get worn out by age 50-55.

However, I chose to pursue a different career and will not apologize for that or if I say I had a "hard day."

dEnny!
07-06-2007, 03:47 AM
Dude, I work in a comicbook store and I am exhausted every day. The thing is you are as tired as you allow yourself to be mandated to work hard. If you are lazy as fuck you can avoid strain. At least, I hope that is how the world works.

You lost me at "work in a comicbook store." SHUT UP! :D

You have to deal with people like Donal every day. ;) (LOVE YA D!)

Blandy vs Terrorism
07-06-2007, 03:48 AM
Dude, I work in a comicbook store and I am exhausted every day. The thing is you are as tired as you allow yourself to be mandated to work hard. If you are lazy as fuck you can get fired quickly and often. At least, I hope that is how the world works.

Fixed.

dEnny!
07-06-2007, 03:53 AM
Also if you are laying bricks, shingling roofs, and mowing lawns...sounds like you didn't try too hard in school. :D OH SNAP!

I've discovered I'm totally an elitist.

Seriously, nothing but respect just kidding around.

TIP
07-06-2007, 03:55 AM
In some respect that is true because some of those jobs don't pay very well.

In that respect, sure...I'll give you that...but I'm not sure that was the gist of the original post (unless it was...I'm too lazy--cuz I'm a Corporate Desk Monkey--to go back and look :wink: ).



I don't think my job is hard and while I enjoy mowing my lawn, I don't think I could mow a lawn an hour, 5-7 days a week. The physical jobs break people down, I see our PPD (Grounds keepers) just get worn out by age 50-55.

However, I chose to pursue a different career and will not apologize for that or if I say I had a "hard day."

:thumb:

Blandy vs Terrorism
07-06-2007, 03:57 AM
Also if you are laying bricks, shingling roofs, and mowing lawns...sounds like you didn't try too hard in school. :D OH SNAP!

I've discovered I'm totally an elitist.

Seriously, nothing but respect just kidding around.

:nodidnt:

Smokinblues
07-06-2007, 04:03 AM
I don't think a guy in a porsche should be complaining about money troubles when he's standing in front a homeless man.


And the basic gist of my initial post was: Don't be a dick around someone who's worse off, so the arguement isn't full of shit.

I don't think many porsche driving people will knowingly stand near a homeless man too long. I don't know many folks who go out of their way to talk about their lives one way or another in front of a homeless person. They generally go out of their way to avoid homeless people all together.

re: jobs - everything is relative. People who exhaust themselves mentally or physically are probably going to think they've had a hard day no matter what they do. It's perfectly reasonable for them to do this.

Of course someone else always has it worse. But when people say things like this they're not looking to win a contest, they're usually expressing themselves to someone they know. There's nothing wrong with that.