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Thudpucker
07-05-2007, 02:16 PM
* fine print at the bottom of post

This week we are reading: Thor #1 (Marvel) By J. Michael Straczynski and Olivier Coipel


The voting for next weeks book will begin Friday

Our reviewers this week are:

Pat(sadly)NotLoika - 8
Ryan F - 9
BryanS7 - 6
The Hiphopopotamus - 7
Jef UK - 7
DaveCummings - 9
Kefky - 8
Ray G. - 6.5
Johnny C. TheLastHorseman - 8.5
nickmaynard85 - 9.5
Bedlam66 - 7
jerk from pod 6 - 4
Jono - 6
SteveZegers - 6
Cap's Corpse - 4.95
Kingsumo - 8
Dusto - 6
Freeway - 8.5
Afny - 8
Foolish Mortal - 9.5
Brad Nelson - 9
Shwicaz - 5
X arseface X - 8
Maestro - 10
Vonn Hennigar - 7
greg donovan - 9
Sy-Klone - 7
Your dorky snob - 6
STOLTMAN - 8
Guirk the Thudner - 9
Brandon191 - 7
UltimateFactor - 9
Knightspider - 8
changingshades - 4
lonesomefool - 7
Matt O. - 6.8
dEnny - 8.5




Our Previous reviews:

(First 16 scores lost during the Image Board crash)

Week 01 - 11/17/04 – Captain America #1
Week 02 - 11/24/04 – Flash #216
Week 03 - 12/01/04 – Darkness Vol. 2 #17 (av grade 3.7)
Week 04 - 12/08/04 – Demo #12
Week 05 - 12/15/04 - Plastic Man #13
Week 06 - 12/22/04 – Goon #10
Week 07 - 12/29/04 - Legion of Super Heroes #1
Week 08 - 01/05/05 – Flaming Carrot #1
Week 09 - 01/12/05 – Majestic #1
Week 10 - 01/19/05 – Human Target #18
Week 11 - 01/26/05 – Conan #12 (av grade 8.3)
Week 12 - 02/02/05 – Black Panther #1
Week 13 - 02/09/05 – Young Avengers #1
Week 14 - 02/16/05 – Ex Machina #8 (av grade 8.4)
Week 15 - 02/23/05 – X-Men #167
Week 16 - 03/02/05 – Ultimate Iron Man #1


Week 17 pick - Shining Knight #1 (Morrison & Bianchi) av grade - 7.8
Week 18 pick - Invincible #21 (Kirkman and Ottley) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=48) av grade - 6.3
Week 19 pick - Expatriate #1 (Moore and Latour) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=1314) av grade - 5.4
Week 20 pick - Temporary #2 (Hurd & Smith) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=2993) av grade - 7.4
Week 21 pick - GLA #1 (Slott and Pelletier) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=4718) av grade - 6.8
Week 22 pick - Nightwing #107 (Grayson and Hester) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=5972) av grade - 5.8
Week 23 pick - Iron Ghost #1 (Dixon and Cariello) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=7350) av grade - 4.9
Week 24 pick - City Of Tomorrow (Howard Chaykin) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=8609) av grade - 6.2
Week 25 pick - Villains United #1 (Simone and Eaglesham) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=9831) av grade - 5.7
Week 26 pick - Desolation Jones #1 (Ellis and Williams III) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=11130) av grade - 8.9
Week 27 pick - Guardian #2 (Morrison and Stewart) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=12280) av grade - 6.1
Week 28 pick - Adv. Of Superman #640 (Rucka and Kerschl) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=13393) av - 6.1
Week 29 pick - Son Of Vulcan #1 (Beatty and Grant) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=14435) av grade - 3.7
Week 30 pick - JLA #115 (Johns, Heinberg, Batista) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=15677) av grade - 6.9
Week 31 pick - Wildsiderz #0 (Campbell and Hartnell) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=16720) av grade - 2.9
Week 32 pick - Astro City: The Dark Age #1 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=17822) av grade - 7.3
Week 33 pick - Albion #1 (Moore and Oakley) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=18956) av grade - 5.0
Week 34 pick - Gotham Central #33 (Rucka, Brubaker, Kano) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=20325) av - 8.5
Week 35 pick - Mutopia X (Hine and Medina) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=21593) av grade - 5.2
Week 36 pick - Athiest #2 (Hester and McCrea) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=22821) av grade - 6.9
Week 37 pick - JLA: Classified #10 (Ellis and Guise) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=24230) av grade - 6.9
Week 38 pick - Justice #1 (Ross, Krueger & Braithwaite) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=25471) av grade 7.9
Week 39 pick - The Winter Men #1 (Lewis and Leon) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=26722&page=1&pp=30) av grade 5.3
Week 40 pick - Batman: Journey into Knight #1 (Helfer & Huat) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=661904#post661904) av - 4.4
Week 41 pick - Jack Cross #1 (Ellis and Erskine) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=29289&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 6.1
Week 42 pick - Runaways #7 (Vaughan & Miyazawa) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=30415&page=1&pp=30&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 7.8
Week 43 pick - Ghost Rider #1 (Ennis and Crain) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=31761&page=1&pp=30&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 6.4
Week 44 pick - Thor: Blood Oath #1 (Oeming and Kolins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=32837) av grade 7.1
Week 45 pick - Wolverine #32 (Millar and Andrews) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=800805#post800805) av grade 8.2
Week 46 pick - Losers #28 (Diggle and Wilson) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=34999) av grade 7.4
Week 47 pick - FF/I M : Big In Japan #1 (Wells & Fisher) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=36143&page=1&pp=30) av grade 5.6
Week 48 pick - F N Spider-Man #1 (David and Wieringo) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=885645#post885645) av grade 7.3
Week 49 pick - Fin Fang Four #1 (Langridge & Grey) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=38459) av grade 8.8
Week 50 pick - Book Of Lost Souls #1 (JMS & Doran) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=39517) av grade 5.6
Week 51 pick - Hero At Large #2 (Hogan and Treece) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=40640) av grade 6.3
Week 52 pick - DMZ #1 (Brain Wood) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=41546) av grade 7.7
Week 53 pick - The Thing #1 (Slott and DiVito) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=1018043#post1018043) av grade 7.5
Week 54 pick - Walking Dead #24 (Kirkman & Adlard) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=1043050#post1043050) av grade 8.4
Week 55 pick - Generation M #1 (Jenkins and Bachs) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=45181&page=1&pp=30) av grade 7.3
Week 56 pick - Marvel Team-Up #15 (Kirkman & Medina) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=46059&page=1&pp=30) av grade 6.0
Week 57 pick - Amazing Joy Buzzards 2 #3 (Smith and Hipp) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=1126452#post1126452) av grade 5.1
Week 58 pick - Testament #1 (Rushkoff and Sharp) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=48096) av grade 7.4
Week 59 pick - New Avengers #14 (Bendis and Cho) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=1173084#post1173084) av grade 7.6
Week 60 pick - Sable & Fortune #1 (Cahill and Burns) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=50156&page=2) av grade 4.4
Week 61 pick - Ares #1 (Oeming and Foreman) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=51090&highlight=THUDPUCKER) av grade 8.2
Week 62 pick - Sgt. Rock: Prophecy #1 (Joe Kubert) - (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=52081) av grade 7.7
Week 63 pick - Nextwave #1 (Ellis and Immonen) av grade 9.1
Week 64 pick - Betty and Veronica Digest #163 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=54050) av grade 4.2
Week 65 pick - Fables #46 (Willingham and Fern) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=55114) av grade 7.5
Week 66 pick - Daredevil #82 (Brubaker and Lark) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=56036) av grade 9.6
Week 67 pick - Ast. X-Men #13 (Whedon & Cassaday) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=57079) av grade 8.5
Week 68 pick - Ms. Marvel #1 (Reed and de la Torre) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=58091) av grade 7.3
Week 69 pick - American Virgin #1 (Seagle & Cloonan) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=59229) av grade 7.1
Week 70 pick - Annihilation Prologue (Giffen & Kolins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=60309) av grade 6.3
Week 71 pick - Hawkgirl #50 (Simonson and Chaykin) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=61415) av grade 5.0
Week 72 pick - Savage Dragon # 124 (Erik Larson) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=62535&highlight=dragon) av grade 7.2
Week 73 pick - Moon Knight #1 (Huston & Finch) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=63551&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 7.5
Week 74 pick - Firestorm #24 (Moore and Igle) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=64581&highlight=firestorm) av grade 4.6
Week 75 pick - Squadron Supreme #2 (JMS & Frank) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=65570&highlight=supreme) av grade 6.4
Week 76 pick - Incredible Hulk #94 (Pak and Pagulayan) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=66424) av grade 8.9
Week 77 pick - Civil War #1 (Millar and McNiven) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=67488) av grade 7.4
Week 78 pick - She-Hulk #7 (Slott and Round) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=68344) av grade 6.6
Week 79 pick - 100 Bullets #72 (Azzarello and Risso) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=69219) av grade 8.0
Week 80 pick - Secret Six #1 (Simone and Walker) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=70084&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 6.8
Week 81 pick - My Inner Bimbo #1 (Sam Kieth) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=71085) av grade 8.8
Week 82 pick - Wonder Woman #1 (Heinberg and Dodson's) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=71913&highlight=woman+review) av grade 7.2
Week 83 pick - Ms Marvel #4 (Reed and De La Torre) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=72907) av grade 5.8
Week 84 pick - Eternals #1 (Gaiman and JR JR) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=73827) av grade 7.5
Week 85 pick - DC: Brave New World (various) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=74780&highlight=brave+world) av grade 4.8
Week 86 pick - The Beyond #1 (McDuffie & Kolins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=75769) av grade 5.5
Week 87 pick - The Escapists #1 (BKV, Bond & Barreto) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=76597) av grade 8.6
Week 88 pick - JLA #0 (Meltzer and various) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=77585&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 6.3
Week 89 pick - Batman #655 (Morrison & Kubert) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=78626) av grade 7.1
Week 90 pick - Moon Knight #4 (Huston and Finch) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=79567) av grade 7.1
Week 91 pick - Martian Manhunter #1 (Lieberman & Barrionuevo) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=80610&highlight=martian) A.G. 5.3
Week 92 pick - The Boys #1 (Ennis and Robertson) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=81622) av grade 8.5
Week 93 pick - Ultimates Annual #2 (Huston & Deodato) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=82695&highlight=ultimates+annual) av grade 6.0
Week 94 pick - All Star Superman #5 (Morrison and Quitely) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=83678&highlight=all-star+superman+review) av grade 9.0
Week 95 pick - Cross Bronx #1 (Brandon and Oeming) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=84549) av grade 8.3
Week 96 pick - Pride Of Baghdad (BKV and Henrichon) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=85526&highlight=pride) av grade 9.7
Week 97 pick - Union Jack #1 (Gage and Perkins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=86501) av grade 7.3
Week 98 pick - True Story Swear To God #1 (Tom Beland) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=2207524#post2207524) av grade 8.9
Week 99 pick - Criminal #1 (Brubaker and Phillips) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=88301&highlight=criminal) av grade 8.6
Week 100 pick - Gen 13 #1 (Simone & Caldwell) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=89178) av grade 4.7
Week 101 pick - The Damned #1 (Bunn and Hurtt) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=90012&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 8.4
Week 102 pick - Act. Comics #844 (Donner, Johns, Kubert) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=90917) av grade 7.2
Week 103 pick - Superman: Confidential #1 (Cooke and Sale) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=91627&highlight=review) av grade 7.7
Week 104 pick - Wisdom #1 (Cornell and Hairsine) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=92442&highlight=review) av grade 6.7
Week 105 pick - White Tiger #1 (Pierce, Liebe, Briones) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=93207) av grade 6.4
Week 105 pick - Iron Man #13 (Knauf and Zircher) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=93207) av grade 6.8
Week 106 pick - X-Factor #13 (David and Raimondi) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=93846) av grade 8.9
Week 107 pick - Batman/Spirit (Cooke & Loeb) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=94561) av grade 8.0
Week 108 pick - newuniversal #1 (Ellis and Larroca ) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=95322) av grade 7.7
Week 109 pick - X-23: T X #1 (Kyle, Yost, Choi & Oback) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=96134) av grade 8.1
Week 110 pick - New Avengers #26 (Bendis and Maleev) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=96884) av grade 8.2
Week 111 pick - Winter Soldier: Winter Kills (Brubaker & Weeks) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=2551141#post2551141) av grade 9.0
Week 112 pick - Scalped #1 (Aaron and Guéra) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=2575882#post2575882) av grade 7.2
Week 113 pick - Thunderbolts #110 (Ellis and Deodato) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=99153&highlight=review+group) av grade 8.2
Week 114 pick - Helmet Of Fate: Detective Chimp #1 (Willingham & McManus) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=100070) av grade 8.0
Week 115 pick - Silent War #1 (Hine and Martinez) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=2658694#post2658694) av grade 7.2
Week 116 pick - Teen Titans 43 (Johns and Daniel) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=101815&highlight=review+group) av grade 7.9
Week 117 pick - The Dark Tower #1 (Furth, David, Lee and Isanovel) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=102760&highlight=review+group) av grade 8.8
Week 118 pick - Batman #663 (Morrison and Fleet) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=103497) av grade 5.3
Week 119 pick - Brave and the Bold #1 (Waid and Perez) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=104192&highlight=review+group) av grade 8.0
Week 119 pick - Wasteland #7 (Johnston & McNeil) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=104192&highlight=review+group) av grade 8.9
Week 120 pick - Crossing Midnight #4 (Carey and Fern) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=105115&highlight=review+group) av grade 6.6
Week 121 pick - Captain America #25 (Brubaker and Epting) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=105942) av grade 9.2
Week 122 pick - Buffy Season 8 #1 (Whedon and Jeanty) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=106656) av grade 7.3
Week 123 pick - Army @ Love #1 (Rick Veitch) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=107520&highlight=review+group) av grade 6.2
Week 124 pick - Fantastic Four #544 (McDuffie and Pelletier) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=108438) av grade 6.7
Week 125 pick - Omega Flight #1 (Oeming and Kolins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=109226&highlight=omega+flight) av grade 7.9
Week 126 pick - Loners #1 (Cebulski and Moline) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=109955&highlight=review+group) av grade 7.1
Week 127 pick - The Spirit #5 (Cooke) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=110718) av grade 8.9
Week 128 pick - Fallen Son: Avengers (Loeb and McGuinness) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=111445) av grade 6.2
Week 129 pick - Sen. Spider-man annual #1 (Fraction and Larroca ) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=112191) av grade 9.0
Week 129 pick - Hellboy: Darkness Calls #1 (Mignola and Fegredo) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=112191) av grade 8.5
Week 130 pick - Countdown #51 (Dini and Saiz) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=3052842#post3052842) av grade 5.4
Week 131 pick - Ultimates 2 #13 (Millar and Hitch) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=113698) av grade 7.6
Week 132 pick - Shadowpact #13 (Willingham and Hampton) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=114317) av grade 6.5
Week 133 pick - Spiderman Fairy Tales #1 (Cebulski and Tercio) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=114928) av grade 8.1
Week 133 pick - Silver Surfer: Requiem #1 (Straczynski & Ribic) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=114928) av grade 8.2
Week 134 pick - Irredeemable Ant-Man #9 (Kirkman and Hester) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=115658) av grade 8.5
Week 135 pick - World War Hulk #1 (Greg Pak and JR JR) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=116438) av grade 8.2
Week 136 pick - Madame Mirage #1 (Dini and Rocafort) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=117036&highlight=review+group) av grade 5.2
Week 137 pick - Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps (Johns and Van Sciver) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=117958&highlight=review+thread) av grade 9.3


Our higest average grades so far were for Pride of Baghdad with 9.66 and Daredevil #82 with 9.64

Our lowest average grade so far Wildsiderz #0 with 2.9

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What we do: This is a fanbased review group, open to everybody.

As people post the reviews, I will add your name and score to a list in the main post and at the end of the week average the scores for an overall grade on the book. We grade on a scale of 0-10, the meanings of which roughly translate to:

10 - Everything I want in a comic, an instant classic
9 - Excellent, a nearly perfect read
8 - Highly recommended but it has minor flaws
7 - Very good, it does have some problems
6 - Above average but has deep flaws
5 - An average comic
4 - Below average, the flaws outweigh the good
3 - A disappointing comic
2 - Forgettable, a waste of time
1 - Stay away!! One of the worst comics I've read

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Fake Pat
07-05-2007, 02:21 PM
Thor Numero Uno:

First issue of a Thor solo title that I've ever bought, and I wasn't disappointed in the least. Better than average JMS scripting and dialogue (still had some unnecessary cutesy spots), and fucking KILLER art. Some might complain about the pacing and amount of splash pages, but I really do feel that it gave the story the weighty/epic feel it needed.

Definitely a rock solid start.

8/10

Ryan F
07-05-2007, 02:31 PM
Thor #1 - First of all, Coipel is my favorite artist right now (rivalled only by JH Williams), so it's worth the price of admission just to look at his stuff (even though I don't think this is the best fit for him).

Storywise: good job bringing Thor back from the dead - straightforward and fair to the preceding story. A mystic and epic death deserves a mystic resurrection, and using Blake as the vehicle is a genius move. I also like the set-up of Thor having to find (re-make? re-create?) his former companions.

I'm also glad the new set-up gives us Donald Blake back, who was always a great anchor for the cosmic character. Apparently he's younger now and no longer needs the cane?

I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes - an excellent start.

9/10

Bryan H
07-05-2007, 03:22 PM
Thor 1: Never been a big fan of Thor, and this issue didn't really change my mind. While it was interesting, it read more like a preview to me. I could see really enjoying this in trade, but there's just not enough going on in this first issue to keep me hooked.

That said, Copiel has never done artwork this good. I loved him before, but this stuff is amazing, leagues better than I remember him being on titles like Avengers and Legion. Just gorgeous from one page to the next.

6/10.

bradical
07-05-2007, 03:56 PM
felt short to me. art was top shelf and the story is an effective, if not terribly engaging, way to bring back thor. wasn't a fan of don blake as a kid, seemed a bit of a wuss, but this one seems more confident. guess the void builds character. i like the seeds it planted for story i the future as thor discover asgsrd and his friends. still, it felt short. i'd have liked a doulbe sized return issue. all in all, i dug it and am looking forward to next issue. i'll go 7.

Jef UK
07-05-2007, 05:44 PM
I really dig how Coipel draws Thor's face and bone structure. He looks both Nordic and otherwordly. I also enjoyed the mysticism and portent that JMS and Coipel evoked with this first issue. Light on plot, sure, but a decent read. I'll check in again when it's collected in trade.

7/10.

DaveCummings
07-05-2007, 05:50 PM
I really dug the setup in ths issue and Copiel knocked it out of the park. I am really looking foward to what's to come. Especially with the upcoming issue with Iron Man.

I give it a 9/10

Kefky
07-05-2007, 06:19 PM
This was a solid set-up for me, although I wish it had been meatier. I liked how JMS mentioned Oeming's Ragnarok story, and the way he re-introduced Don Blake here is just awesome. The character's finally worth a damn. I can't wait to see how JMS explores their duality. The new Thor-speech worked well enough for me, though I may change my mind about it in the future. And Copiel's art was beautiful, of course.


I'm still iffy on the whole Oklahoma deal, but I'll definitely be sticking around to see how it goes. 8/10

Ray G.
07-05-2007, 07:17 PM
Big resounding meh.

Very pretty art, I'll get that out of the way, but to be honest, most of this issue is basically Thor arguing with his long-defunct secret ID while chilling in the afterlife, then smacking around a few Goblins. Very decompressed, with Thor's actual return less than impressive. And despite the long absence(with, I'll admit, a real lack of fanfare among the actual universe), I really don't see how Thor's return will affect things much. This title certainly didn't get it across. Not a bad book, just one that didn't grab me at all. I did like the characterization of Thor for the most part, so I think I'll give this a 6.5/10.

Not sure I'll be back, though. JMS' Marvel work hasn't been impressing me much lately.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-05-2007, 08:42 PM
Big resounding meh.

Very pretty art, I'll get that out of the way, but to be honest, most of this issue is basically Thor arguing with his long-defunct secret ID while chilling in the afterlife, then smacking around a few Goblins. Very decompressed, with Thor's actual return less than impressive. And despite the long absence(with, I'll admit, a real lack of fanfare among the actual universe), I really don't see how Thor's return will affect things much. This title certainly didn't get it across. Not a bad book, just one that didn't grab me at all. I did like the characterization of Thor for the most part, so I think I'll give this a 6.5/10.

Not sure I'll be back, though. JMS' Marvel work hasn't been impressing me much lately.

I have a question- how can this issue be "very decompressed" when it's a complete done-in-one issue story, with no cliffhanger? Isn't that the exact opposite of "decompression"?

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-05-2007, 08:51 PM
As for the review- Very well written book, dialobue worked and wasn't overly flowery, it painted the picture perfectly without using too many strokes. Now, I'll admit that I usually prefer the first issue of a series to have a big cliffhanger, I want to be raving that next issue, but I for this, I actually liked that we get a whole story in one ish here. It didn't build towards the next issue, it set up the series. We get the how and the why of Thor's return in one issue, and now that we know how and why, the fun can begin. And the art, it's just perfect. Nothing more I can really say than perfect.

8.5/10

nick maynard
07-05-2007, 09:04 PM
thor is my favorite marvel character.

and i hated the idea of his dying so much, but when i read oeming's epic ragnarok story, i learned to love it. that was the death my favorite character deserved. so well written!

so then, i hated the idea of his coming back to life SO MUCH, but when i read this, i learned to love it too.

the splash pages in this are only rivaled by hitch's 8 page fold out and cheung's secret wars 1 double pager.

this was an amazing start.

9.5/10

Bedlam66
07-05-2007, 09:32 PM
You know lets just get this out of the way right now. I hate Thor. I always have, he's just . . . I don't even think I can find words to describe how much his old speak just fucking Annoys the hell out of me. it's why I'm such a big Beta Ray Bill fan because I get all the coolness of Thor combined with a Horse-skulled alien and none of the Shit that Pisses me off.

I tried out this book because of JMS and how much I love his Spiderman run. and I have to say. . . . . . . . I really Enjoyed this. I got Donald Blake back, who I always liked and I got a Thor who didn't just look cool but every time he opened his mouth he didn't make me want to smash his teeth in with that hammer of his. I didn't buy the book but I'll be reading my Friends copy Since he's such a big thor nut and if I continue to like it, I'll pick it up in HC.

I really liked how they Brought Thor back. It was Simple, yet deep and Profound. I also liked that we got to learn where Blake had been and why he came back out of the blue right away and didn't have to wait 20 some odd issue for the Mystery to unravel.

I give this book
A good Start 7/10

jerk from pod 6
07-06-2007, 03:34 AM
Yikes...There just wasn't much here to get me back on a monthly basis. I was willing to give JMS another shot, but I just don't know if I can hang around to be ultimately disappointed again after his three strikes on Gwen Stacy, Strange, and the FF. As it stands, just about the last thing I wanted from a Thor title after 4+ years was a navel-gazing first issue, with just about zero things set up for future issues to get me excited.

This may sound shallow, but was one "I say thee nay!" to much to ask for? If I wanted to read about a super-powerful being wrestling with his inner demons I'd read The Sentry.

The art was good in spots, but seemed mis-matched overall.

Oh well, I guess I just have to learn to live with the fact that The Avengers that I grew up with are truly no more.

4/10

Jono
07-06-2007, 03:55 AM
I thought it was ok. It was a little slow for my tastes, and nothing really grabbed me and made me say "holy shit, I have GOT to keep reading this comic!", which is not a good sign from a #1 issue. The art was fine, maybe it will be better next issue if something exciting actually happens...but I don't know if I'll be around to find out.

6/10

Sam Johnson
07-06-2007, 04:08 AM
If you're bringing back a hero who hasn't been very popular for a long time, wouldn't the best way of doing it be to pack your first issue with as much mind-blowing excitement as possible and make everyone sit up and go "WOW!"? Even the people who like it seem to be saying it's more of a trade-waiter. People need to be won over on Thor, and a slow-paced first issue in which perilously little happens is a sure way to turn them off.

ClintP
07-06-2007, 04:51 AM
You know lets just get this out of the way right now. I hate Thor. I always have, he's just . . . I don't even think I can find words to describe how much his old speak just fucking Annoys the hell out of me. it's why I'm such a big Beta Ray Bill fan because I get all the coolness of Thor combined with a Horse-skulled alien and none of the Shit that Pisses me off.

I tried out this book because of JMS and how much I love his Spiderman run. and I have to say. . . . . . . . I really Enjoyed this. I got Donald Blake back, who I always liked and I got a Thor who didn't just look cool but every time he opened his mouth he didn't make me want to smash his teeth in with that hammer of his. I didn't buy the book but I'll be reading my Friends copy Since he's such a big thor nut and if I continue to like it, I'll pick it up in HC.

I really liked how they Brought Thor back. It was Simple, yet deep and Profound. I also liked that we got to learn where Blake had been and why he came back out of the blue right away and didn't have to wait 20 some odd issue for the Mystery to unravel.

I give this book
A good Start 7/10

:rofl: I need to look into this Beta Ray Bill fella...

I am looking forward to this book now since you said what you said here. I am with you 100% about the speach.

charlie
07-06-2007, 04:53 AM
If you're bringing back a hero who hasn't been very popular for a long time, wouldn't the best way of doing it be to pack your first issue with as much mind-blowing excitement as possible and make everyone sit up and go "WOW!"? Even the people who like it seem to be saying it's more of a trade-waiter. People need to be won over on Thor, and a slow-paced first issue in which perilously little happens is a sure way to turn them off.

Quoted b/c you said everything I wanted to. Marvel should have done a double-sized first issue to fit more stoery in. Loved the story, loved the art, but if this was the first issue of Thor I had ever picked up, I would have been meh. Very curious to see what the % in sales dropoff for #2 will be. I hope that folks stick with it, as I think the series shows a lot of potential in very able hands. 7/10, but I reserve the right to re-grade as the story progresses.

SteveZegers
07-06-2007, 05:07 AM
Looked really nice, but the story was a little frustrating. I want to see a reaction to the clone, the war, Hulk, Cap, anything… I want Warriors Three and Frost Giants! But all I got was Thor talking to himself and a big bolt of lightning. I love the character so I really hope this book doesn’t continue along at this pace.

6

RebootedCorpse
07-06-2007, 05:17 AM
Now comes Thor the indestructible. JMS writes about man giving life to the gods, but it could also be that he was talking about fans giving life to the characters. No one will be allowed to die as long as the fans want them alive. Thor cannot die, Asgard cannot die. Kinda removes some of the dramatic tension.
So, we have Thor back with a unexplained change in clothes and with the return of Don Blake. Blake has always been an empty suit. A nod to silly comic book secret identity conventions shoe-horned into the Thor story. It never made sense and Thor was always better without Blake.
Also Thor doesn't talk like Thor should. Maybe it's attempt to remove what many see as a silly Stan Lee-ism, but it strikes me as lazy.
The art was very good, however.
I've always loved Thor and will give this series a chance, but I'm not hopeful based on this first issue.
My score: 4.95.

Bedlam66
07-06-2007, 08:16 AM
Now comes Thor the indestructible. JMS writes about man giving life to the gods, but it could also be that he was talking about fans giving life to the characters. No one will be allowed to die as long as the fans want them alive. Thor cannot die, Asgard cannot die. Kinda removes some of the dramatic tension.
So, we have Thor back with a unexplained change in clothes and with the return of Don Blake. Blake has always been an empty suit. A nod to silly comic book secret identity conventions shoe-horned into the Thor story. It never made sense and Thor was always better without Blake.
Also Thor doesn't talk like Thor should. Maybe it's attempt to remove what many see as a silly Stan Lee-ism, but it strikes me as lazy.
The art was very good, however.
I've always loved Thor and will give this series a chance, but I'm not hopeful based on this first issue.
My score: 4.95.
JMS said going in he was taking the Ol' speak out because it made him less relatable to new readers and non Thor fans. It also has the Added Bonus of Turning people off the char.(point to me.) So for JMS's run he's going to talk more like they did in the Lord of the Rings then a Henry the 8th play.
I fucking Hate thor speak so I'm really glad he did this.

RebootedCorpse
07-06-2007, 08:34 AM
JMS said going in he was taking the Ol' speak out because it made him less relatable to new readers and non Thor fans. It also has the Added Bonus of Turning people off the char.(point to me.) So for JMS's run he's going to talk more like they did in the Lord of the Rings then a Henry the 8th play.
I fucking Hate thor speak so I'm really glad he did this.

The "Thor speak" is an indelible part of his character. That's like saying "a hammer is a stupid weapon, he should have a machine gun."

Kingsumo
07-06-2007, 08:42 AM
If you're bringing back a hero who hasn't been very popular for a long time, wouldn't the best way of doing it be to pack your first issue with as much mind-blowing excitement as possible and make everyone sit up and go "WOW!"? Even the people who like it seem to be saying it's more of a trade-waiter. People need to be won over on Thor, and a slow-paced first issue in which perilously little happens is a sure way to turn them off.

I can see your point in trying to establish a hook early on, however, not everyone agrees with this. Myself, I rather enjoy the buildup process. It reads similar to how a lot of the actual Myth's would have.

Just my two cents.


:rofl: I need to look into this Beta Ray Bill fella...

I am looking forward to this book now since you said what you said here. I am with you 100% about the speach.

God yes you should. I don't remember the issues, but he was introduced in the older Thor comics. He is seriously bad ass. He was one of the main reasons I picked up Omega Flight.


The "Thor speak" is an indelible part of his character. That's like saying "a hammer is a stupid weapon, he should have a machine gun."

I could so picture a 90's Cable with Thor's helmet when I read that. I personally hated the old speach he used, but your response was beautifully written.

Kingsumo
07-06-2007, 08:46 AM
For the review itself.

I was actually going into this big with very, very low expectations, but I have to say I was absolutely blown away here. I thought the art was outstanding. The story itself was what really impressed me. I liked the way the re-introduced Donald Blake as a charecter, and I also think they did a good job of bringing someone back from the dead without resorting to "Wanda did it" or "He was a skrull, clone, LMD etc."

This to me was a new Norse Myth. JMS did a great job of writing, and I am glad I decided to get this afterall. Total score 8/10

Sam Johnson
07-06-2007, 08:56 AM
The "Thor speak" is an indelible part of his character. That's like saying "a hammer is a stupid weapon, he should have a machine gun."

I wouldn't say speaking like a prick is so important. Lots of Stan Lee characters used to speak in cod-Shakespearean dialogue but there doesn't seem to be so much fuss when the Silver Surfer speaks more naturallly. Really, as long as he's still stoic and noble (and that's reflected in the dialogue) it doesn't make a difference to me, and I think it's probably wise that they've gone with a less dated approach.

RebootedCorpse
07-06-2007, 09:03 AM
I wouldn't say speaking like a prick is so important. Lots of Stan Lee characters used to speak in cod-Shakespearean dialogue but there doesn't seem to be so much fuss when the Silver Surfer speaks more naturallly. Really, as long as he's still stoic and noble (and that's reflected in the dialogue) it doesn't make a difference to me, and I think it's probably wise that they've gone with a less dated approach.

Ok. But Silver Surfer NEVER spoke with Shakespearean dialogue. The only characters who did this were the gods (Asgardian and Olympian).
I guess some people don't like dealing with dialects of any sort. My wife can't stand reading classic Segar Popeye or Krazy Kat because of this. To me, it makes it stand out a little bit.

Dusto
07-06-2007, 09:18 AM
My usual arch with JMS is that I read his first few issues of a series and think it's really good but then find that it quickly takes a turn towards crappiness. I was less impressed by this issue than I've been with any of his other first issues of a title--nothing special really happened--but it wasn't bad, which is more than I've come to expect from him. So, I'll say it's a 6/10.

Kingsumo
07-06-2007, 09:22 AM
Ok. But Silver Surfer NEVER spoke with Shakespearean dialogue. The only characters who did this were the gods (Asgardian and Olympian).
I guess some people don't like dealing with dialects of any sort. My wife can't stand reading classic Segar Popeye or Krazy Kat because of this. To me, it makes it stand out a little bit.

To me it is not so much not wanting to deal with the dialect, so much as a time and a place for it. Using the occasional line or two would not be so bad. Especially in the heat of battle or something/

However, as Thor has been on earth for quite some time now, he really should lose some of the mannerisms. It's like an accent. If you move from South Africa to say, Boston, you are going to eventually sound more Bostonian then South African.

That and while it makes some sence for Herc or Ares to talk like that as they are at least closer to the general area, I am not sure the Norse ever really used words like Thee and Verily and such. Though I will fully admit I may be wrong on this last point.

KHAN!
07-06-2007, 09:27 AM
I can't believe all the high ratings for the book. It was horrible! I don't understand Copiel's appeal and JMS' hackery just made it so horrible when I Byrne-stole the book.

I give it a 1 out of 10. I'm only giving it a 1 because 0 wasn't part of the list. The book was 5 minutes I want back of my life.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-06-2007, 12:27 PM
I can't believe all the high ratings for the book. It was horrible! I don't understand Copiel's appeal and JMS' hackery just made it so horrible when I Byrne-stole the book.

I give it a 1 out of 10. I'm only giving it a 1 because 0 wasn't part of the list. The book was 5 minutes I want back of my life.

Welcome. You have such a great attitude and add so much insight, and a very unique perspective that is missing from so many internet comic fans. Please stick around. Forever.

Jef UK
07-06-2007, 12:30 PM
Welcome. You have such a great attitude and add so much insight, and a very unique perspective that is missing from so many internet comic fans. Please stick around. Forever.

He's already banned. :D

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-06-2007, 12:32 PM
He's already banned. :D

Well ain't that a damn shame.

Freeway
07-06-2007, 12:42 PM
Thor #1

The story worked well, jumping off from what we already know about things based on Ragnorok, Civil War and other stuff.
The art was neat.
I want to read this more.

8.5 outta 10

Afny
07-06-2007, 01:33 PM
I really liked this, but I love Thor, so...

I really liked Donald Blake being in charge, and bitch slapping Thor out of being dead. I'm really glad to have JMS on this book, because I don't think he's gonna re-tread old ground. Copiel's art was nice, but I think it will be better once some real action starts. I'd give it a solid 8/10.

Foolish Mortal
07-06-2007, 02:44 PM
Yes, not a lot of action, but a substantial amount of story exposition will be needed in the first few issues because this is likely to be the first Thor comic a lot of readers will pick up.

The art by Copiel gets a solid 9 out 10. My only beef with his art is how fat his faces look sometimes. But I can live with that.

And yes, hallelujah! No more faux-Shakespeare dialogue from Thor! That should've been jettisoned years ago.

I mentioned on this board a few times how my friends refused to buy Thor simply because they didn't like the silly way he talked. I bet the faux-Shakespearian dialogue has turned off more than a few readers.

Thor doesn't need it. Simply have him speak with eloquently, and with a sense of majesty. That's all you really need to do. Walt Simonson managed to do that in his run, and it was great.

I'm glad JMS explained Donald Blake's return. And it does harken back to some stuff that was revealed in Thor #300. The story of the Demiurge, the biosphere of mystical energy around the Earth that spawned the first gods from the subconscious thoughts of humanity. Basically it meant that it was humankind's collective dreams, nightmares, aspirations and ideas that created the gods.

Overall, I give this issue a 9.5 out of a possible 10. Good job, J. Michael Straczynski and Olivier Coipel and everyone else involved!

Brad N.
07-06-2007, 03:14 PM
I give Thor # 1 by JMS and Coipel a proud 9 out of 10!

I'll be honest, I have ALWAYS loved the character and look of the Mighty Thor but haven't always been a fan of his solo book. I enjoyed the Simonson run a lot and enjoyed small runs here and there like the first few issues of the relaunch after Heroes Reborn with Jurgens and JR Jr, but otherwise I've often found his book boring. I'd mostly rather read Thor in a supporting Avengers role. Until now.

I like the character of Donald Blake grounding Thor into a human form and I always have and I enjoyed the way JMS portrayed him here. Coipel's art is stunning here and as much as I wasn't sure at first I'm a fan of the new duds too.

I really enjoyed seeing what was briefly set up here and I thought the issue worked well as a first issue and return of the God of Thunder. Kudos to the creative team and at least for now you have me totally interested to pick up a solo Thor title, hopefully they can keep up this quality for a long time. Good stuff!

Shwicaz
07-06-2007, 03:14 PM
I really liked the art. That is one buff, big Thor. ;)

the coloring was excellent.



It almost served as a commercial for a book I really want to read. or a 30 second commercial to a really great show, you know....

"He was a god....who was also a man....
He gad great triumph....and great anguish....
He lived.....he died.....

He picked up a hammer....and now he is reunited with himself.....

....feels like thunder......(KRAKABOOM!).....

....Thor...coming monthly from marvel.

...The story, for me, felt like a 'zero issue' book, or a book you would get before the book launches officially.

I'll give it a 5. I most likely won't get another issue, but that's because I am pretty much a trades only guy now (only read the issue, because my roomie left it on the coffee table.)

Brad N.
07-06-2007, 03:17 PM
He's already banned. :D


I maintain that he really is someone previously banned. I honestly think his score shouldn't count.

Kingsumo
07-06-2007, 03:30 PM
I maintain that he really is someone previously banned. I honestly think his score shouldn't count.

Agreed.

Not my call, but agreed none the less.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-06-2007, 03:32 PM
I maintain that he really is someone previously banned. I honestly think his score shouldn't count.

Oh, there's no way in hell it should count. The post in this thread was the first one I read by him, after Jeff informed me he was banned, I went back and read his posts, and all 69 of them were inflammatory. He came in with the sole intent of causing trouble.

Brad N.
07-06-2007, 03:33 PM
Agreed.

Not my call, but agreed none the less.


Yeah, obviously it's not up to me either, but judging from his posts here he appears to be someone previously banned who would start threads or jump into threads with the purpose of picking fights and being annoying while insulting others. To me his review is worthless and it isn't fair that someone like that could massively throw off the score of the review.

X arseface X
07-06-2007, 03:43 PM
I've never really followed a Thor monthly, and as such, don't know a ton about the backstory of the character.

That said- I thought this issue was great. They managed to explain Thor and Blake's return in a way that was both concise and still epic in feeling. The dialogue wasn't the turn off I expected it to be and the art was fucking fantastic.

8/10

Kingsumo
07-06-2007, 03:46 PM
Yeah, obviously it's not up to me either, but judging from his posts here he appears to be someone previously banned who would start threads or jump into threads with the purpose of picking fights and being annoying while insulting others. To me his review is worthless and it isn't fair that someone like that could massively throw off the score of the review.


That was pretty much the impression I received as well. There were some lower scores for the book, but at least they had some well thought out reasons for being such.

I am not sure about him being a previously banned member, but the attempt at flame wars seemed pretty obvious.

Thudpucker
07-06-2007, 04:42 PM
I maintain that he really is someone previously banned. I honestly think his score shouldn't count.

I've never excluded anyone and I'd hate to start now.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-06-2007, 04:51 PM
I've never excluded anyone and I'd hate to start now.

I'd hate for you not to start now. It's obvious that his post was meant to insight a flame war, just as all of his 69 posts before he was banned were. It wasn't a review, it was a flamebait.

Thudpucker
07-06-2007, 05:24 PM
I'd hate for you not to start now. It's obvious that his post was meant to insight a flame war, just as all of his 69 posts before he was banned were. It wasn't a review, it was a flamebait.

Flame war? All he said is he couldn't believe the reviews were so high. The only iffy part of the post, at least to me, was using the word 'hack'. You might think he only gave the book a 1 to piss on us but we don't know that. The guy typed out enough to make me think it's a real review, he didn't like the book.

As for his banning I have zero interest in that.

Brad N.
07-06-2007, 05:31 PM
Flame war? All he said is he couldn't believe the reviews were so high. The only iffy part of the post, at least to me, was using the word 'hack'. You might think he only gave the book a 1 to piss on us but we don't know that. The guy typed out enough to make me think it's a real review, he didn't like the book.

As for his banning I have zero interest in that.

whatever, man, read the rest of his posts. So you're fine that some douchebag decides to come onto the board and piss off a bunch of people in multiple threads trolling and flaming people and happens to "review" the book? What did he say exactly that sounded like a review I ask? It was nothing more than what he did in the short time he was on the board. If you're fine with that kind of bullshit count this as the last review I'll do here.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-06-2007, 05:37 PM
Flame war? All he said is he couldn't believe the reviews were so high. The only iffy part of the post, at least to me, was using the word 'hack'. You might think he only gave the book a 1 to piss on us but we don't know that. The guy typed out enough to make me think it's a real review, he didn't like the book.

As for his banning I have zero interest in that.

Look at every single post he made, all 69 before he got banned. Every one of them was inflammatory. Every single post he made here, before he got banned, was to piss on us. Not only should he have been banned (which he was) all his posts, every worthless one of them, should be deleted.

Maestro
07-06-2007, 05:42 PM
This issue is just what I thought it would be. Not a whole lot of plot development, just setup. But it's very good setup. I always thought Donald Blake was an important part of Thor and it's nice to see him back. I absolutely Coipel's demons. Very... demony. I'm on for the first arc for sure. Voting 10 out of 10 (mainly to counter that low score)

Thudpucker
07-06-2007, 05:44 PM
If you guys feel this strongly he was nothing but a Troll I'll skip his review. It's derailing what started out as an excellent week, let's just get back to Thor and forget him.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-06-2007, 05:45 PM
I think that's a fair move Thud.

Foolish Mortal
07-06-2007, 05:48 PM
If you guys feel this strongly he was nothing but a Troll I'll skip his review. It's derailing what started out as an excellent week, let's just get back to Thor and forget him.
I agree. Lets get back to talking about the book, please. :)

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-06-2007, 05:50 PM
I wish I had the book on me (I'm on vacation at my girlfriend's father's lake) so I could not the page numbers- but I want those 2 pages of Thor wiping out the demons as a poster. It's just gorgeous.

Brad N.
07-06-2007, 05:51 PM
If you guys feel this strongly he was nothing but a Troll I'll skip his review. It's derailing what started out as an excellent week, let's just get back to Thor and forget him.

I agree. I wasn't trying to get bitchy with you either, Thud. I was just shocked after having seen the shit this kid was pulling the last few days that he posted in here too. Then to see the review that he made ONLY to derail the reviews that had been given. I have no problem with negative reviews here, hell, I've given some myself. I do have a problem with someone banned and trolling the board looking to piss people off and giving a half assed review with what appears to be the purpose of lowering the average and pissing off the rest of the board.

I brought the issue up not to defend the book, but to stand up for the integrity of these review threads and to be honest I reacted the way I did because it appeared to me you had a real indifferent attitude about it and seemed to not care that the troll had tainted the review. I'm sure that isn't what you intended but that's how I took it and why I responded a little harsh. My apologies for that. I agree it's a good idea to get back to talking about the book, though.

Thudpucker
07-06-2007, 06:09 PM
I agree. I wasn't trying to get bitchy with you either, Thud. I was just shocked after having seen the shit this kid was pulling the last few days that he posted in here too. Then to see the review that he made ONLY to derail the reviews that had been given. I have no problem with negative reviews here, hell, I've given some myself. I do have a problem with someone banned and trolling the board looking to piss people off and giving a half assed review with what appears to be the purpose of lowering the average and pissing off the rest of the board.

I brought the issue up not to defend the book, but to stand up for the integrity of these review threads and to be honest I reacted the way I did because it appeared to me you had a real indifferent attitude about it and seemed to not care that the troll had tainted the review. I'm sure that isn't what you intended but that's how I took it and why I responded a little harsh. My apologies for that. I agree it's a good idea to get back to talking about the book, though.

It's cool, sorry I didn't realize it was a strong issue. It's not that I'm indifferent, believe me. I just think the only way to properly moderate a group like this is for me to stay neutral, I don't like exerting my personal opinions on things. That's why there are almost no rules.

Now back to Thor! :thor:

Brad N.
07-06-2007, 06:11 PM
It's cool, sorry I didn't realize it was a strong issue. It's not that I'm indifferent, believe me. I just think the only way to properly moderate a group like this is for me to stay neutral, I don't like exerting my personal opinions on things. That's why there are almost no rules.

Now back to Thor! :thor:

8-)

Vonn Hennigar
07-06-2007, 07:35 PM
Thor # 1.

Very enjoyable,yet still definitely missing that special spark. Olivier Coipels art is absolutely stunning and is pretty much flawless in my eyes. Hell just seeing the Warriors Three again in a panel put a big grin on my face. JMS meanwhile does a fantastic job of resurrecting Thor, that not only respects Mike Oeming's final arc but actually builds upon it. The Don Blake resurrection was also handled well and i appreciate how JMS set the book up so matter of factly. It'll be interesting to see how all this develops.

But... as a first issue it still lacked that feeling of WOW! and i can't see Thor novices being all that impressed. Plus personally i'm all about the EPIC Thor stories in Asgard fighting Loki,Surtur and Frost Giants. Him being weighed down by a alter-ego always felt unnecessary and this upcoming Asgard over Oklahoma plotline still has me feeling very apprehensive. I'll keep reading but i hope it doesn't take a year for anyone to notice Thor's back in the Marvel Universe.

7/10

greg donovan
07-06-2007, 09:26 PM
loved it.

solid 9/10.

sets up nice future for thor that doesnt seem to be too tied into the current events of the marvel universe.

hopefully we will get an ongoing story that follows thor on his quest to find and awaken the other norse gods.

changingshades
07-07-2007, 07:06 AM
I'll give it a 4, because I like the art. The story is glacial paced, which I can deal with, but most of the dialog in the issue was, "Humanity, as a whole, wants Thor back, so Thor's back." This is the lazy writing equivalent of, if we clap our hands real hard and wish, Tinkerbell will live again. But this is good, because now I don't have to add another book to my already bloated pull list.

Foolish Mortal
07-07-2007, 07:29 AM
I'll give it a 4, because I like the art. The story is glacial paced, which I can deal with, but most of the dialog in the issue was, "Humanity, as a whole, wants Thor back, so Thor's back." This is the lazy writing equivalent of, if we clap our hands real hard and wish, Tinkerbell will live again. But this is good, because now I don't have to add another book to my already bloated pull list.
Actually that is established continuity. (See Thor #300)

The first gods were came from the Demiurge. Which formed them from the collective consciousness of humanity.

This by the way helps explain why a bunch of mystical otherworld beings just so happen to have human-like forms. That's because that's how humanity envisioned their gods.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 07:53 AM
Yeah, obviously it's not up to me either, but judging from his posts here he appears to be someone previously banned who would start threads or jump into threads with the purpose of picking fights and being annoying while insulting others. To me his review is worthless and it isn't fair that someone like that could massively throw off the score of the review.

What, just cause he's a douche he can't have an opinion on a comic? The only person who would be remotely justified in being annoyed or "inflamed" by his negative review is JMS.

Jef UK
07-07-2007, 07:54 AM
I'll give it a 4, because I like the art. The story is glacial paced, which I can deal with, but most of the dialog in the issue was, "Humanity, as a whole, wants Thor back, so Thor's back." This is the lazy writing equivalent of, if we clap our hands real hard and wish, Tinkerbell will live again. But this is good, because now I don't have to add another book to my already bloated pull list.

While I'm not knocking your opinion of the book, I don't understand how you think the concept of humans believing in gods as the source of their existence and strength is "lazy writing."

What is "lazy writing"? I imagine JMS put a lot of thought and time in to this book.

Jef UK
07-07-2007, 07:55 AM
What, just cause he's a douche he can't have an opinion on a comic? The only person who would be remotely justified in being annoyed or "inflamed" by his negative review is JMS.

He immediately established himself as not a member of this community as a whole.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 07:59 AM
While I'm not knocking your opinion of the book, I don't understand how you think the concept of humans believing in gods is the source of their existence and strength is "lazy writing."

What is "lazy writing"? I imagine JMS put a lot of thought and time in to this book.

I think all he's saying is that the concept has been a little over done. I know I've seen it in many, many places - Peter Pan, Neil Gaiman, Terry Pratchett just to name a few - so I can see why it would strike some people as cliched or lazy.

Brad N.
07-07-2007, 07:59 AM
What, just cause he's a douche he can't have an opinion on a comic? The only person who would be remotely justified in being annoyed or "inflamed" by his negative review is JMS.

I didn't say that. I'm saying the kid was a troll. His sole purpose for being on the board was to piss people off. What better way to piss off people in a review thread that had mostly positive reviews to that point than to write a half assed vague review that could have applied to anything and take shots then give it the lowest score possible. It fits with all the rest of his posts here. I could care les when someone like Jon or Cap's Corpse gave it a negative review and give their reasons why. It had nothing to do with the review, but who the person was.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 08:02 AM
He immediately established himself as not a member of this community as a whole.

Exactly. No one had a problem with him or anyone else not liking the comic. There are other low reviews in this thread, and no one has a problem with any of those. It was the fact that it WASN'T a review, it was an attempt to start flaming, and bickering, there was nothing constructive about it. It was flamebait, just like every single one of his 68 other posts. The guy's entire schtick was to be inflammatory, thus he was banned, and rightfully so.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:05 AM
I didn't say that. I'm saying the kid was a troll. His sole purpose for being on the board was to piss people off. What better way to piss off people in a review thread that had mostly positive reviews to that point than to write a half assed vague review that could have applied to anything and take shots then give it the lowest score possible. It fits with all the rest of his posts here. I could care les when someone like Jon or Cap's Corpse gave it a negative review and give their reasons why. It had nothing to do with the review, but who the person was.

That could well have been his real opinion though. You're just making an assumption based on his previous posts. I don't really see any reason to, as I can't see how a negative review would piss anyone off.

Thudpucker
07-07-2007, 08:06 AM
Actually that is established continuity. (See Thor #300)

The first gods were came from the Demiurge. Which formed them from the collective consciousness of humanity.

This by the way helps explain why a bunch of mystical otherworld beings just so happen to have human-like forms. That's because that's how humanity envisioned their gods.

That's a really great explaination for it. Is that how it worked for the Greek pantheon and others also? I need to go back and re-read some old Thor, I never got that (or else I just forgot it).

I'm going to get my comics today, looking forward to reading this issue. I still kind of wish they had gone with Millar and Gaimens concept though, the Smallville approach. Fragments of Asguard falling on a small town and random people becoming the new incarnations of the Gods.

Foolish Mortal
07-07-2007, 08:06 AM
I think all he's saying is that the concept has been a little over done. I know I've seen it in many, many places - Peter Pan, Neil Gaiman, Terry Pratchett just to name a few - so I can see why it would strike some people as cliched or lazy.
Yes, but it's been used previously in Thor continuity, so I don't see there being a problem.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 08:09 AM
That could well have been his real opinion though. You're just making an assumption based on his previous posts. I don't really see any reason to, as I can't see how a negative review would piss anyone off.

If a guy is a prick 68 out of 69 times. I think that's more than enough reason. And once again, a negative review isn't pissing anyone off, it's that this was a non-review, flamebiating, and trolling.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:09 AM
Is Thor actually being treated as a god now then? The Asgardians used to be portrayed as a highly-advanced race that inspired the Viking myths.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:12 AM
If a guy is a prick 68 out of 69 times. I think that's more than enough reason. And once again, a negative review isn't pissing anyone off, it's that this was a non-review, flamebiating, and trolling.

What was flamebaiting about it though? He didn't insult any other board members. And there's plenty of short reviews that don't go into details that get counted. If you're not counting his review just cause he was a prick, that's a very slippery slope to go down.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 08:17 AM
What was flamebaiting about it though? He didn't insult any other board members. And there's plenty of short reviews that don't go into details that get counted. If you're not counting his review just cause he was a prick, that's a very slippery slope to go down.

What was flamebaiting about it? Oh c'mon, it was a blatant and obvious attempt to start drama and bickering (which it did, so the troll did his job I guess). Also, you have to take it within the context of the whole of his posts. His whole goal, from the moment he got here, was to piss people off and cause trouble, which he did, until he got BANNED. He got banned for being a flamebaiting, shitstirring troll. Every post he made was infammatory. He should be banned, he was. His non-review shouldn't count, it doesn't. The end. Move on.

Brad N.
07-07-2007, 08:20 AM
What was flamebaiting about it though? He didn't insult any other board members. And there's plenty of short reviews that don't go into details that get counted. If you're not counting his review just cause he was a prick, that's a very slippery slope to go down.

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here. I've explained in perfect english more than once why I feel his "review" shouldn't stick. I followed his bullshit posts from the beginning here. I'm not going to continue to say the same thing over and over and we'll have to agree to disagree. You think his review should stick, fine. Many more of us have seen this type of behavior here and on other boards many times where a troll basically fucks with a community just to be a douche. I believe his intention was to piss off the reviewers who had given the book a high grade by being insulting and giving it the lowest score possible. All of his pther posts here showed that he seemed to act the way a typical troll does by saying and doing things to get a reaction from people.

Foolish Mortal
07-07-2007, 08:21 AM
Is Thor actually being treated as a god now then? The Asgardians used to be portrayed as a highly-advanced race that inspired the Viking myths.
Well if you want to be technical, The Asgardians, Olympians, and other pantheons are extra-dimensional mystical beings who were worshipped by humans as gods.

Unless you're making a reference to how SHIELD classifies them. I don't think they recognize their existence as "gods". To them they are just extra-dimensional aliens.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:24 AM
I'm not saying that wasn't his intention, but we can't tell one way or the other and his "review" wasn't particularly offensive either (unless you count calling JMS a hack, which I don't). No one in their right mind should be offended by someone not liking a comic they liked, which is why I don't feel his review was offensive whatever the intention.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:27 AM
Well if you want to be technical, The Asgardians, Olympians, and other pantheons are extra-dimensional mystical beings who were worshipped by humans as gods.

Unless you're making a reference to how SHIELD classifies them. I don't think they recognize their existence as "gods". To them they are just extra-dimensional aliens.

I was just wondering, seeing all this talk about Thor returning to life through the strength of humans' belief. That would seem to imply Thor actually is a god. I just know Stan Lee always shied away from the religious side of it, and I remember a Warren Ellis-written comic which said they were such a highly-advanced race their science had come to resemble magic.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 08:27 AM
No one in their right mind should be offended by someone not liking a comic they liked

I agree 100%. The reason his non-review should not count has absolutely nothing to do with him not liking the comic.

Brad N.
07-07-2007, 08:30 AM
I'm not saying that wasn't his intention, but we can't tell one way or the other and his "review" wasn't particularly offensive either (unless you count calling JMS a hack, which I don't). No one in their right mind should be offended by someone not liking a comic they liked, which is why I don't feel his review was offensive whatever the intention.

You have completely missed the point and I'm not going to spell it all out again.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:31 AM
I agree 100%. The reason his non-review should not count has absolutely nothing to do with him not liking the comic.

If you're not counting him because he got banned that's reasonable, but assuming he didn't really think what he wrote or was trying to offend is a slippery slope to go down.

Brad N.
07-07-2007, 08:34 AM
If you're not counting him because he got banned that's reasonable, but assuming he didn't really think what he wrote or was trying to offend is a slippery slope to go down.

not really.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 08:35 AM
If you're not counting him because he got banned that's reasonable, but assuming he didn't really think what he wrote or was trying to offend is a slippery slope to go down.

It's not a slipperly slope at all, because it's not a blind assumption, it's a very educated deduction. By reading his posts it is blatantly obvious that everything he said was an attempt to offend. It was obvious that the goal of that non-review was simply to get a reaction out of people.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:35 AM
You have completely missed the point and I'm not going to spell it all out again.

I wouldn't call it "missing the point". You believe he gave it 1/10 to piss off others based on his previous posts, I'm saying as his review itself wasn't particularly offensive, it should stand. We disagree, sure, but don't call it missing the point.

Fake Pat
07-07-2007, 08:35 AM
If you're not counting him because he got banned that's reasonable, but assuming he didn't really think what he wrote or was trying to offend is a slippery slope to go down.

1. It's not a slippery slope.

2. I still don't think you're getting the point.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 08:41 AM
I wouldn't call it "missing the point". You believe he gave it 1/10 to piss off others based on his previous posts, I'm saying as his review itself wasn't particularly offensive, it should stand. We disagree, sure, but don't call it missing the point.

And here's where I'll disagree with you. His non-review was very offensive, because it contained nothing constructive at all, it was inflammatory bullshit that added nothing. And it has nothing to do with not liking the book. Cap's Corpse didn't like the book either, but he actually reviewed it, he gave a constructive critique, and he added to the discussion, he didn't give it the lowest possible score with the sole intent of insighting bickering.

Foolish Mortal
07-07-2007, 08:46 AM
I was just wondering, seeing all this talk about Thor returning to life through the strength of humans' belief. That would seem to imply Thor actually is a god. I just know Stan Lee always shied away from the religious side of it, and I remember a Warren Ellis-written comic which said they were such a highly-advanced race their science had come to resemble magic.
I don't think any of the Ellis "Worldengine" stuff is in continuity since none of it was ever mentioned during the Dan Jurgens years.

They seem to be sticking with Roy Thomas' interpretation.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:46 AM
And here's where I'll disagree with you. His non-review was very offensive, because it contained nothing constructive at all, it was inflammatory bullshit that added nothing. And it has nothing to do with not liking the book. Cap's Corpse didn't like the book either, but he actually reviewed it, he gave a constructive critique, and he added to the discussion, he didn't give it the lowest possible score with the sole intent of insighting bickering.

That would mean reviews that just say "Loved it! 9/10" wouldn't be counted either. Once again, the only person with the SLIGHTEST justification to be offended by that review is JMS himself.

Foolish Mortal
07-07-2007, 08:51 AM
Sam Johnson, Brad Nelson, Johnny C. TheLastHorseman, Pat(sadly)NotLoika
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/AlexClarke/beatdeadhorse.gif

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 08:51 AM
That would mean reviews that just say "Loved it! 9/10" wouldn't be counted either. Once again, the only person with the SLIGHTEST justification to be offended by that review is JMS himself.

Nope. You're wrong here. I am completely justified in being offended by pricks that just want to cause trouble. He was a dick, it had nothing to do with him not liking the book, I was offended by him being a dick, a lot of other people were offended by him being a dick. And are you saying that it's not justifiable to be offended by dicks? Because I call bullshit on that.

Brad N.
07-07-2007, 08:52 AM
And here's where I'll disagree with you. His non-review was very offensive, because it contained nothing constructive at all, it was inflammatory bullshit that added nothing. And it has nothing to do with not liking the book. Cap's Corpse didn't like the book either, but he actually reviewed it, he gave a constructive critique, and he added to the discussion, he didn't give it the lowest possible score with the sole intent of insighting bickering.


dude, it's not worth it. He's made up his mind that he thinks we're all saying one thing when we're not because it fits his argument. Instead of understanding anything anyone has been saying from beginning he's continuing to argue in circles. Let him not understand what we're saying and talk to himself as usual. Save your fingers the trouble of typing a response.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 08:52 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/AlexClarke/beatdeadhorse.gif

I know I know, and so does Brad, he bowed out first, and I'm getting tired of bashing my head against the wall too, so now I'm done. If he doesn't get it, he doesn't get it. Oh well.

Brad N.
07-07-2007, 08:54 AM
I wouldn't call it "missing the point". You believe he gave it 1/10 to piss off others based on his previous posts, I'm saying as his review itself wasn't particularly offensive, it should stand. We disagree, sure, but don't call it missing the point.

Dude, seriously, don't put words in our mouths. I've seen you argue this way in other threads before and it's not cool. You've said it before. You have your opinion and don't care what anyone else thinks. That's fine, go about your business and continue to not understand what anyone else is actually saying. Keep making your strawman arguments and blanket statements. You'll do well with that attitude here.

Brad N.
07-07-2007, 08:55 AM
I know I know, and so does Brad, he bowed out first, and I'm getting tired of bashing my head against the wall too, so now I'm done. If he doesn't get it, he doesn't get it. Oh well.


okay, yeah, now I'm really done. I just hate having words put in my mouth and had to respond. Now back to Thor!

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:57 AM
Nope. You're wrong here. I am completely justified in being offended by pricks that just want to cause trouble. He was a dick, it had nothing to do with him not liking the book, I was offended by him being a dick, a lot of other people were offended by him being a dick. And are you saying that it's not justifiable to be offended by dicks? Because I call bullshit on that.

All I'm saying is there's no way for any of us to know whether he really thought it was 1/10 material or whether he was just stirring shit up. You're making one assumption, I'm saying that as his review itself was not very offensive (he didn't go into detail, but plenty of people don't) it should stand. I'm not saying you're wrong to believe that, and you may be right, but I agree with Thudpucker that the Review Group should remain impartial and count all reviews.

changingshades
07-07-2007, 08:57 AM
Actually that is established continuity. (See Thor #300)

The first gods were came from the Demiurge. Which formed them from the collective consciousness of humanity.

This by the way helps explain why a bunch of mystical otherworld beings just so happen to have human-like forms. That's because that's how humanity envisioned their gods.

I'm not sure I'm being clear. It's not that they're in human form, it's that gods die and come back because humans "really really wish that they would." When I read the pages where he was talking to Blake, it seemed like JMS had gone to a message board and took away the sentiment, "If everyone on the board wants Thor back and we bring back the comic, that reason should work as an explanation of why Thor came back. People wanted him back so he's back." If this is previously established continuity, it's still lame continuity.

Taken to a logical next step, if Thor breaks his arm in an issue, and I don't think he should have a broken arm, if I get enough people to believe it too, Presto, Thor is healed.

Sam Johnson
07-07-2007, 08:59 AM
I believe his intention was to piss off the reviewers who had given the book a high grade by being insulting and giving it the lowest score possible. All of his pther posts here showed that he seemed to act the way a typical troll does by saying and doing things to get a reaction from people.

There's your own words right there. I really did not use a straw man argument. If you think I did, give an example as to why otherwise you're putting words in my mouth.

changingshades
07-07-2007, 09:00 AM
While I'm not knocking your opinion of the book, I don't understand how you think the concept of humans believing in gods as the source of their existence and strength is "lazy writing."

What is "lazy writing"? I imagine JMS put a lot of thought and time in to this book.

He might have, but it seems like a cheap short cut to bringing back a character to me.

changingshades
07-07-2007, 09:01 AM
I didn't say that. I'm saying the kid was a troll. His sole purpose for being on the board was to piss people off. What better way to piss off people in a review thread that had mostly positive reviews to that point than to write a half assed vague review that could have applied to anything and take shots then give it the lowest score possible. It fits with all the rest of his posts here. I could care les when someone like Jon or Cap's Corpse gave it a negative review and give their reasons why. It had nothing to do with the review, but who the person was.

Thor was teh suxx0rz, Brad, and you are teh leamzorz

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-07-2007, 09:03 AM
All I'm saying is there's no way for any of us to know whether he really thought it was 1/10 material or whether he was just stirring shit up. You're making one assumption, I'm saying that as his review itself was not very offensive (he didn't go into detail, but plenty of people don't) it should stand. I'm not saying you're wrong to believe that, and you may be right, but I agree with Thudpucker that the Review Group should remain impartial and count all reviews.

Ok, I know I said I'm done, but man- Ok-


All I'm saying is there's no way for any of us to know whether he really thought it was 1/10 material or whether he was just stirring shit up.

And what WE'RE saying is that it doesn't matter whether he really thought it was 1/10 material or not. His opinion has nothing to do with it, it's all about his INTENT. And his intent was 100% obvious. And I agree that the review group should be impartial and count all actual reviews. But that was NOT intended to be an actual review.

Ok, NOW I'm done.

changingshades
07-07-2007, 09:04 AM
Yes, but it's been used previously in Thor continuity, so I don't see there being a problem.

Using previous continuity doesn't make it good. I will give that it's at least consistent, but I've read a Superman story from the 60's where he has Super Basket weaving abilities (no lie), and just because it's previously established doesn't make it good or mean it should ever be brought up again *coughteenage tonystarcough*

changingshades
07-07-2007, 09:07 AM
And playing the part of ACLU in this thread: Sam Johnson

Personally, I say let the Troll's vote count, but that's just cause I didn't like the book :D

Foolish Mortal
07-07-2007, 09:18 AM
I'm not sure I'm being clear. It's not that they're in human form, it's that gods die and come back because humans "really really wish that they would." When I read the pages where he was talking to Blake, it seemed like JMS had gone to a message board and took away the sentiment, "If everyone on the board wants Thor back and we bring back the comic, that reason should work as an explanation of why Thor came back. People wanted him back so he's back." If this is previously established continuity, it's still lame continuity.

Taken to a logical next step, if Thor breaks his arm in an issue, and I don't think he should have a broken arm, if I get enough people to believe it too, Presto, Thor is healed.
My point was that the reason the gods came into existence in the first place is because of humankind's need for "gods". The Demiurge spawned them from humanity's collective consciousness.

But after they came into being, they took on a life of their own, and created their own things, and had their own progeny. From this spawned many myths and legends which still live on in the minds of humans today. So as long as those continue to exist, then the gods can exist too.

A.Huerta
07-07-2007, 09:23 AM
My point was that the reason the gods came into existence in the first place is because of humankind's need for "gods". The Demiurge spawned them from humanity's collective consciousness.

But after they came into being, they took on a life of their own, and created their own things, and had their own progeny. From this spawned many myths and legends which still live on in the minds of humans today. So as long as those continue to exist, then the gods can exist too.

I thought that was common knowledge... guess not.

Thudpucker
07-07-2007, 09:31 AM
Very interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

Kingsumo
07-07-2007, 11:01 AM
I'm not sure I'm being clear. It's not that they're in human form, it's that gods die and come back because humans "really really wish that they would." When I read the pages where he was talking to Blake, it seemed like JMS had gone to a message board and took away the sentiment, "If everyone on the board wants Thor back and we bring back the comic, that reason should work as an explanation of why Thor came back. People wanted him back so he's back." If this is previously established continuity, it's still lame continuity.

Taken to a logical next step, if Thor breaks his arm in an issue, and I don't think he should have a broken arm, if I get enough people to believe it too, Presto, Thor is healed.

Hey Changingshades.. It's not really in continuity, but you should also read Alex Ross' Earth X (you don't need the others) It does a very good job of explaining the whole gods (aliens) coming into power via human need to have them.

Personally, I think it was the only good thing to come out of that book, but for that alone is worth skimming through.. It helps put the JMS version in a little different light.

changingshades
07-07-2007, 01:13 PM
Hey Changingshades.. It's not really in continuity, but you should also read Alex Ross' Earth X (you don't need the others) It does a very good job of explaining the whole gods (aliens) coming into power via human need to have them.

Personally, I think it was the only good thing to come out of that book, but for that alone is worth skimming through.. It helps put the JMS version in a little different light.
yeah, I read Earth X and it was okay. That makes sense and all, but that's really not my big problem. It's disqualifying a perfectly valid well written death by "really wishing it away."

Sy-Klone
07-07-2007, 01:53 PM
I read this today.

Gotta say, I really enjoyed it. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than I expected to. I suppose that I had low expectations, since JMS has been extremely hit-and-miss with me for the last few years on ASM. This was solid. The art was impressive, and the story hits great notes.

I qualify this review by saying I'm not extremely well-versed in Thor stories, but I do like the character a lot. I'm also one of those who always liked the Donald Blake aspect, so seeing that as a focus of this book pleases me.

I think the book did need more oomph, though. A first issue should really show the character in action and establish story threads, and this was really just a taste of the new Thor. This was really talky, which is great for the adults in the audience, but a kid who might dig seeing Thor in action might feel disappointed in this issue, as we only got glimpses of that. Great taste, but less filling that I'd have liked.

All in all, I'll give it a solid 7 out of 10.

Bedlam66
07-07-2007, 02:17 PM
Using previous continuity doesn't make it good. I will give that it's at least consistent, but I've read a Superman story from the 60's where he has Super Basket weaving abilities (no lie), and just because it's previously established doesn't make it good or mean it should ever be brought up again *coughteenage tonystarcough*
The Concept that belief and faith in your god or gods gives them power isn't just something pulled from old Thor Continuity, it's a concept that's been around for thousands of years. IE People stopped believing in the Greek gods so they went away and the Norse gods and the Celtic gods ect ect.

When your dealing with a Idea and Concept like Gods it's not all that lazy or far fetched. The fact that Donald Blake is alive again since the Odin spell was broken and the fact that Thor's hammer Survived and that People all over the Earth who have seen Thor in action or Met him in Person, not only Wish Thor was around but prob Pray to his as their god thus putting that Energy out there. Donald using Both the Hammer and the Energy of Belief of People who didn't even know that he was dead only that he had vanished to help bring him back to the land of living isn't really seem all that Lazy to me.

Foolish Mortal
07-07-2007, 03:23 PM
yeah, I read Earth X and it was okay. That makes sense and all, but that's really not my big problem. It's disqualifying a perfectly valid well written death by "really wishing it away."
These are mystical, ethereal beings. The rules of life and death don't apply to them the same way as normal people.

And there's a bit more to it than just wishing, it's also belief.

Kingsumo
07-07-2007, 03:39 PM
yeah, I read Earth X and it was okay. That makes sense and all, but that's really not my big problem. It's disqualifying a perfectly valid well written death by "really wishing it away."

Fair enough. Not everyone is going to like a certain story. Figured I would throw it out there though. :-)

changingshades
07-07-2007, 03:58 PM
Fair enough. Not everyone is going to like a certain story. Figured I would throw it out there though. :-)

nah it's okay. and I probably would look back on the series more fondly if they hadn't gone to the well so damn many times. I think I didn't even make it 3 issues into Universe x

changingshades
07-07-2007, 03:59 PM
These are mystical, ethereal beings. The rules of life and death don't apply to them the same way as normal people.

And there's a bit more to it than just wishing, it's also belief.

And I think that's bad story telling. If any death of these characters can be negated by believing it's negated, that lessens the threat and cheapens the impact. At least to me.

Jonathan Callan
07-07-2007, 09:24 PM
As a guy who literally became a writer because I devoured everything JMS has ever written, his work has begun to fall very flat to me. He's often an undisciplined dialogue writer and his epic, almost Tolkien-esque imagery and flowery language is just so repetitive from story to story. It's always "the darkness," or "the shadows," or "racing toward the light of apotheosis" or whatever. I could literally name every one of his stories for him now by cutting and pasting old titles from Babylon 5 episodes into his new arc on Amazing or Thor.

That being said this bugged me a lot less than others. Very little happened but it showed good pacing. I with-hold judgment until later issues.

Jonathan Callan
07-07-2007, 09:42 PM
[Also Thor doesn't talk like Thor should. Maybe it's attempt to remove what many see as a silly Stan Lee-ism, but it strikes me as lazy.[/QUOTE]

Okay, this I'll vehemently disagree with whatever my feelings on the issue. JMS has stated several times in interviews he doesn't understand why a NORSE GOD would speak in SHAKESPERIAN ENGLISH? It just doesn't parse. So he's trying to temper a more classically old feel to him without dating it to any period or region, like Aragorn from the Lord of the Rings. If you don't like the result, fine, but I do think it's a noble effort.

After all, Bendis stayed entirely away from Thor because he said a Jew could never write "thou" and have it sound right... but maybe that's just true of everyone.

Olivier E.
07-08-2007, 04:01 AM
Great art by Coipel as always. I just found the introduction a bit too long and he has like no real purpose to come back. Maybe he's just a Skrull...


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STOLTMAN
07-08-2007, 07:36 AM
I was expecting Thor's return to be big and full of action. But really JMS is better at writing the small stuff than the big action stuff. I think the way he wrote this issue played to his strengths and that's why it worked.

I'm giving this a 8 out of 10.

Jeff

Guirk the Thudner
07-08-2007, 01:20 PM
I was just wondering, seeing all this talk about Thor returning to life through the strength of humans' belief. That would seem to imply Thor actually is a god. I just know Stan Lee always shied away from the religious side of it, and I remember a Warren Ellis-written comic which said they were such a highly-advanced race their science had come to resemble magic.


This was only suggested by a fictional magazine article as it seemed like the most likely scenario. It was an interesting supposition by Ellis, but he was only on the book for four issues and it wasn't really explored. I think it was more strongly implied in the Earth X series.

I loved this issue. There was a lot of shit to wade through, but JMS sold me both on Don Blake, who was a concept that I didn't really dig, and the OK backdrop. I really like the new design, if only because it pays homage both to the classic Kirby costume and the warrior-influenced Simonson armor.

Fuckin' 9/10

Guirk the Thudner
07-08-2007, 03:05 PM
Self-deletion.

Brandon191
07-08-2007, 03:22 PM
Not bad. I'm not a big Thor fan (I am a big fan of Ultimate Thor) but I enjoyed the first issue alright enough. I love Copiel's art and he did a great job in this issue. 7/10.

UltimateFactor
07-08-2007, 07:57 PM
I absolutely LOVED this book. There were very few Thor stories over the years I could really get into, despite my deep love for Mythology, norse or otherwise. Oemings was one of my favorites of all time and in all honesty, I think JMS did a GREAT job bringing Thor back. I mean, be COULD have just had Thor suddenly reawaken in Blake, reborn since in Norse Mythology it was said that some of the dead Aesir would be reborn. But I like the way he did it, it made perfect sense. It was slow, but I think it was best and I can't wait to see where he takes this. 9/10

Ed Brubaker
07-08-2007, 08:36 PM
I really dug this Thor book, personally. I'm an old-time Thor fan, so seeing Don Blake and Thor talking on the astral plane or wherever they were was pretty cool, I thought. Of course, I think comics with two people talking are cool, so...

Matt O'Keefe
07-08-2007, 08:39 PM
I really dug this Thor book, personally. I'm an old-time Thor fan, so seeing Don Blake and Thor talking on the astral plane or wherever they were was pretty cool, I thought. Of course, I think comics with two people talking are cool, so...

Hell yes. Screw action, that's not I read the book for. And I grew up on those issues of Journey into Mystery. He'll always be Donald Blake to me.

Brad N.
07-08-2007, 08:45 PM
I really dug this Thor book, personally. I'm an old-time Thor fan, so seeing Don Blake and Thor talking on the astral plane or wherever they were was pretty cool, I thought. Of course, I think comics with two people talking are cool, so...

:D

This post made my night.

Sam Johnson
07-09-2007, 01:31 AM
Hell yes. Screw action, that's not I read the book for. And I grew up on those issues of Journey into Mystery. He'll always be Donald Blake to me.

Screw comics with action but love the old Journey Into Mysterys?

RebootedCorpse
07-09-2007, 05:34 AM
Don Blake never made sense to me. Any more than Thor catching bak robbers or fighting Cuban commies.
It just seemed like a knee-jerk comic-booky (if you'll pardon the expression) thing they did back in the early days of Marvel.
Thor doesn't need an Alter Ego.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-09-2007, 05:47 AM
Don Blake never made sense to me. Any more than Thor catching bak robbers or fighting Cuban commies.
It just seemed like a knee-jerk comic-booky (if you'll pardon the expression) thing they did back in the early days of Marvel.
Thor doesn't need an Alter Ego.

I'll disagree, and not so much that Thor needs him, but that the readers need him. Blake is a way to ground the stories a bit, to make them more relatable, to give a human side to stories that are very much not. Blake should be used as a way to reign things back in. Thor really doesn't make all that sense in a superhero world. As you pointed out, he shouldn't be fighting crime in tights. BUT Thor is a Marvel Superhero that stars in Marvel superhero books, so you have to find a way to fold him into that world. To take it even further, Thor really doesn't make all that sense interacting with human either. Donald Blake is a tool that can be used to bridge those gaps. If they were going to do Thor as straight fantasy, no superheroes, no human aspect, Don Blake would not be needed. But this is Marvel comics, and that's not really what they want out of the character, they want both the superhero and human aspects.

greg donovan
07-09-2007, 05:59 AM
I'll disagree, and not so much that Thor needs him, but that the readers need him. Blake is a way to ground the stories a bit, to make them more relatable, to give a human side to stories that are very much not. Blake should be used as a way to reign things back in. Thor really doesn't make all that sense in a superhero world. As you pointed out, he shouldn't be fighting crime in tights. BUT Thor is a Marvel Superhero that stars in Marvel superhero books, so you have to find a way to fold him into that world. To take it even further, Thor really doesn't make all that sense interacting with human either. Donald Blake is a tool that can be used to bridge those gaps. If they were going to do Thor as straight fantasy, no superheroes, no human aspect, Don Blake would not be needed. But this is Marvel comics, and that's not really what they want out of the character, they want both the superhero and human aspects.

plus they can still do a straight up fantasy story like oeming did and leve dr. blake out for a while.

Ed Brubaker
07-09-2007, 06:53 AM
Yeah, Thor doesn't need a secret ID, sure, but he's a superhero in the Marvel U, so him being stuck with one, I thought, was a cool idea. I'm talking about when I first encountered it, when I was 5 years old or something. I still like the idea of him having to share his presence on Earth with a mortal. It's just more interesting than having a Viking god be in the Avengers to me.

Foolish Mortal
07-09-2007, 07:02 AM
Yes the point of Don Blake was to give Thor a practical reason for hanging around on Earth and interacting with mortals. The "in-story" reason was of course to teach Thor about humility.

I believe the reason why a lot of people don't like Blake, and I think it's a valid reason is many writers tend to write Blake very bland and milquetoast.

And for the most part, the only times we ever saw the Blake persona is in Thor's book. We hardly ever saw him in Avengers or other books, so I can see why readers don't look too favorably on him.

Sam Johnson
07-09-2007, 07:04 AM
Yeah, Thor doesn't need a secret ID, sure, but he's a superhero in the Marvel U, so him being stuck with one, I thought, was a cool idea. I'm talking about when I first encountered it, when I was 5 years old or something. I still like the idea of him having to share his presence on Earth with a mortal. It's just more interesting than having a Viking god be in the Avengers to me.

This post made my afternoon! Not entirely sure why, but still.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-09-2007, 07:07 AM
Yes the point of Don Blake was to give Thor a practical reason for hanging around on Earth and interacting with mortals. The "in-story" reason was of course to teach Thor about humility.

I believe the reason why a lot of people don't like Blake, and I think it's a valid reason is many writers tend to write Blake very bland and milquetoast.

And for the most part, the only times we ever saw the Blake persona is in Thor's book. We hardly ever saw him in Avengers or other books, so I can see why readers don't look too favorably on him.

I definitely agree. The problem isn't in Blake's existence, it's been in his use. The idea of Blake works, but rarely has the character, because, well, for the most part, there's really never been much character. And I honestly believe that JMS can fix that. Donald Blake should be as much of a character as Clark Kent, Peter Parker, or Bruce Wayne.

RebootedCorpse
07-09-2007, 07:28 AM
I remain a fan of the late Kirby/Lee Thor which was almost all cosmic, based in Asgard or centered around Thor's relalationship with the other Gods.
I still liked Thor as a member of the Avengers, but mostly because he was a strong departure from the other guys in tights.
It's all personal preference. In all liklihodd, in a few years, Blake will be gone as someone does a retro-Blakeless Thor. It's like the tide.

Jef UK
07-09-2007, 07:28 AM
Re, Blake: I always liked the idea that Thor was tied to Blake as a lesson in humility by his father Odin, whether or not that idea was ever actually well-executed or not.

Jonathan Callan
07-09-2007, 10:26 AM
I really dug this Thor book, personally. I'm an old-time Thor fan, so seeing Don Blake and Thor talking on the astral plane or wherever they were was pretty cool, I thought. Of course, I think comics with two people talking are cool, so...

Hey Bru,

As long as we're on the subject of Goldilocks, given your sometimes gritty, always realistic dialogue would you ever have a problem writing for the dude? I know Bendis outright said a Jew should never write Thor. Would you keep the crazy, non-sensical Shakespearian cadence?

RebootedCorpse
07-09-2007, 10:28 AM
Hey Bru,

As long as we're on the subject of Goldilocks, given your sometimes gritty, always realistic dialogue would you ever have a problem writing for the dude? I know Bendis outright said a Jew should never write Thor. Would you keep the crazy, non-sensical Shakespearian cadence?

Y'know, Bendis was joking, right? Being ironical?

greg donovan
07-09-2007, 10:32 AM
is there any info on what the first story arc is going to be?

i really like the prospect of having thor/blake searching for the other gods to "awaken" them.

RebootedCorpse
07-09-2007, 10:34 AM
is there any info on what the first story arc is going to be?

i really like the prospect of having thor/blake searching for the other gods to "awaken" them.

Hey, I'd read that!

Foolish Mortal
07-09-2007, 10:35 AM
Y'know, Bendis was joking, right? Being ironical?
Yes, the fact that Marvel's Thor was thought up by two Jews should have clued everyone in Bendis was being funny. :)

greg donovan
07-09-2007, 10:39 AM
Hey, I'd read that!

it was definately hinted at in this issue.

it also seems likely to happen sooner rather than later since they are hanging out in the middle of nowhere.

i like how it seems that this book will not tie into some of the regular marvel universe stuff for a little while at least.

Jef UK
07-09-2007, 10:40 AM
Y'know, Bendis was joking, right? Being ironical?


Yes, the fact that Marvel's Thor was thought up by two Jews should have clued everyone in Bendis was being funny. :)

I can't believe anybody would ever take such a statement seriously in the first place.

RebootedCorpse
07-09-2007, 10:41 AM
I can't believe anybody would ever take such a statement seriously in the first place.

Yeah, me, too. But this is the second time its been brought up in this thread, so I thought I'd ask...:scared:

Jonathan Callan
07-09-2007, 10:51 AM
Y'know, Bendis was joking, right? Being ironical?

No doubt. But I think he was making the serious point that he kept from writing Thor dialogue because he just didn't know what to do with him.

Jonathan Callan
07-09-2007, 10:53 AM
I can't believe anybody would ever take such a statement seriously in the first place.

Jesus Christ guys, just cause I brought it up doesn't mean I didn't know he was kidding. But he was also saying he had trouble writing dialogue for Thor. All humor is based in truth and this truth was - the dude is a little weird to write for. It was a legit question.

Knightspider
07-09-2007, 11:53 AM
8/10

I'll stick around, but for some reason i still wish Oeming was writing it

maybe down the line

Guirk the Thudner
07-09-2007, 07:14 PM
is there any info on what the first story arc is going to be?

i really like the prospect of having thor/blake searching for the other gods to "awaken" them.


This was basically the entire premise for the Journey into Mystery run after Onslaught. I haven't read it in years, but I did like it when it was coming out, even if it was Red Norvell.

greg donovan
07-10-2007, 05:13 AM
This was basically the entire premise for the Journey into Mystery run after Onslaught. I haven't read it in years, but I did like it when it was coming out, even if it was Red Norvell.

never read that run. that was when i was just getting back into comics and only buying them at the gas station down the street from my house in college.

KHAN!
07-13-2007, 10:27 AM
That would mean reviews that just say "Loved it! 9/10" wouldn't be counted either. Once again, the only person with the SLIGHTEST justification to be offended by that review is JMS himself.


Thank you, at least someone here sides with me.

I don't know why my review shouldn't count just because I was banned for a week, but Brad for some reason seems to harbor some kind of Vendetta towards me, because he kept on asking me to be banned :rolleyes:

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
07-13-2007, 11:35 AM
Thank you, at least someone here sides with me.

I don't know why my review shouldn't count just because I was banned for a week, but Brad for some reason seems to harbor some kind of Vendetta towards me, because he kept on asking me to be banned :rolleyes:

Ya know, that fact that Sam is on your side doesn't actually HELP your case, it's not like the kid's known for his levelheadedness.

changingshades
07-14-2007, 02:05 PM
alls I know is, my vote has yet to be counted.

curse this living in Florida. It really is a disease here.

bradical
07-14-2007, 03:34 PM
alls I know is, my vote has yet to be counted.

curse this living in Florida. It really is a disease here.

florida didn't stop me from getting my copy, ya hater. :)

changingshades
07-14-2007, 03:46 PM
florida didn't stop me from getting my copy, ya hater. :)

I got the issue, and posted my opinion, but my vote has not been added to the tally.

I blame hanging chads.

lonesomefool
07-14-2007, 03:51 PM
I give it a 7/10

A bit of a slow start, this felt similar to some of the Marvel comics from 2-3 years ago with this issue being pretty light on content. I do like the general direction for Thor here, though. The art by Copiel and Morales was very good, and I have high hopes for this book, though I worry that considering the parties involved (JMS, Copiel) not being known for their reliable schedules, that this book could fall behind. That said, I'm on board for at least another couple of issues.

Matt O'Keefe
07-14-2007, 04:30 PM
6.8/10

Definitely a solid start to the series, and I definitely care enough to see where this is going.

Thudpucker
07-14-2007, 05:20 PM
alls I know is, my vote has yet to be counted.

curse this living in Florida. It really is a disease here.

:Oops: sorry about that

changingshades
07-14-2007, 05:22 PM
:Oops: sorry about that

oh it's okay man, I discussed the book way more than I would have if I'd actually been counted :D

chazbot
07-16-2007, 08:52 PM
9.5/10

I know it's way late, but I just finally got Mighty Thor #1. I had to wait forever to get it, and it was effing worth it.
The art was damn brilliant. The paced out, large scale scenes were brilliant. I went back and just stared at some of the art after reading through.
Yeh, it was a quickish read, not much happens. But it felt like an epic beginning. The first chapter of a novel, establishing themes and characters, explaining what came before for new readers. I've been pretty critical of JMS on Spidey lately, and I think perhaps the freshness of this book will be great for him. Can't wait to get the next ish.

dEnny!
01-03-2008, 06:46 PM
THOR #1 by JMS and Coipel - Art...GORGEOUS! He's wowed me from when I first saw his work on Legion and Avengers and he's only gotten better with his current work on Thor. JMS sets up an interesting story with some funny moments. I'm really enjoying this title. I don't feel it is decompressed storytelling; but I do like some of my titles to be "quick" reads. :D

It's funny that Kirby'sCorpse and I usually agree on comics, I'm a little more giving on the superhero titles, but I like the idea of having Donald Blake back. I never read much Thor (really need to read all of Simonson's run) as I've never been a big fan of this type of title; Spidey you know, more grounded super heroes, but since Ellis and the relaunch I've been reading Thor and loved Oeming's Ragnarok story. I just never read the Donald Blake stories much and so it feels reminiscent and nostalgic you know.

Art - 5
Story - 3.5

8.5