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alexlannin
07-03-2007, 07:07 AM
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Everyone shows ID for beer in Tenn.

By LUCAS L. JOHNSON II, Associated Press WriterSat Jun 30, 11:36 PM ET

Comer Wilson hasn't had to show his ID to buy beer in a while. Maybe it's the 66-year-old man's long white beard. Starting Sunday, gray hair won't be good enough. Wilson and everyone else will be required to show identification before buying beer in Tennessee stores no matter how old the buyer appears.

"It's the stupidest law I ever heard of," Wilson said. "You can see I'm over 21."

Tennessee is the first state to make universal carding mandatory, says the National Alcohol Beverage Control Association. However, the law does not apply to beer sales in bars and restaurants, and it does not cover wine and liquor.

Supporters say it keeps grocery store and convenience store clerks from having to guess a customer's age. Democratic Gov. Phil Bredesen said it's a good way to address the problems of underage drinking.

And the 63-year-old governor said he personally won't mind the extra effort to buy beer.

"I'll be very pleased when I'm carded, and in my mind I'll just imagine it's because I look so young," he said.

Rich Foge, executive director of the Tennessee Malt Beverage Association, said he expects there might be some initial resistance from the beer-buying public.

"But once people live with it for a month or two, it's going to go fine," he said. "It gets routine after a while."

Jarron Springer, president of the Tennessee Grocers and Convenience Store Association, said he understands the law "may seem a little odd" to people who are obviously older than 21, but he said it's necessary to make sure no one slips through the cracks.

"If we're going to hold clerks accountable for their actions, then there's no room for discretion," Springer said. "It's either all or nothing."

The blanket requirement makes it easier for stores to comply, said Steve Schmidt, spokesman for the National Alcohol Beverage Control Association

"There's no need to judge whether someone looks 21, 25 or 30," he said. "It's a set, consistent standard across the entire state."

Richard Rollins, who owns a convenience store in Nashville, is already using a computerized scanner to check everyone's driver's licenses when they buy beer. "We just say we're trying to keep our beer permit, and this is the safest way," Rollins said.

But it has stopped Jeff Campbell from shopping at Rollins' market.

"I don't mind them asking for my ID, but they don't need my driver's license number," said Campbell, 43. "I'm just buying a six-pack. All they need to know is how old I am."

Rollins said scanning licenses has proved beneficial in other ways, such as catching criminals.

When one customer tried to make a purchase using a counterfeit bill, Rollins said police were able to track him down because the receipt from the scanner showed his name and license number and his address.

The new law, which expires after a year unless the Legislature decides to renew it, also creates a voluntary training program for vendors and their employees. Participating businesses would face lower fines if found guilty of selling beer to a minor, and their beer permits cannot be revoked on a first offense.

However, they face fines of up to $1,000 for each underage sale and they lose their status if they commit two violations in a 12-month period. Another violation could mean suspension or revocation of a license, and fine of up to $2,500.

Noncertified vendors can face those penalties on a first offense.

Marylee Booth, executive director of the Tennessee Oil Marketers Association, which represents gas stations and convenience stores, said the intention is not to hurt vendors, but to help them protect minors.

"We're doing everything we can to keep minors from buying beer," Booth said. "This is just one more tool we want to try."

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Associated Press writer Erik Schelzig contributed to this report.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.

Brewtown Andy
07-03-2007, 07:11 AM
The new law, which expires after a year unless the Legislature decides to renew it, also creates a voluntary training program for vendors and their employees. Only in Tennessee~!

Brian Defferding
07-03-2007, 07:34 AM
:nonono2: Rediculous.

alexlannin
07-03-2007, 07:43 AM
As someone who's worked somewhere that's sold beer, and knows the consequences of selling to a minor, I kind of like this. People that are in their thirties get frustrated when asked for id, but if the cashier's not sure, they have to ask. I kind of think it just helps the cashier not get a large fine.

Bill Nolan
07-03-2007, 07:45 AM
What's with the place taking down everyone's license number when they buy beer? Screw that intrusive shit.

Gregory
07-03-2007, 07:45 AM
There's no problem if you continue to steal beer by placing cans in your rolling fake oxygen tank.

KingMob
07-03-2007, 07:47 AM
There was a new law that went into effect here on the 1st where all kegs have to be registered now. The barcodes on the kegs have to be matched up with an ID number, which is a good step I think. If some kids gets a hold of that beer out of the kegs and fucks up though, I would hate to be the guy that bought it.

Ray G.
07-03-2007, 07:48 AM
You all clearly underestimate the grave threat of teenagers dressing up in elaborate old man makeup and buying bear. :no:

KingMob
07-03-2007, 07:50 AM
What's with the place taking down everyone's license number when they buy beer? Screw that intrusive shit.

Probably just another way to track criminals really. I have to give a license number every time I buy cold medicine.

alexlannin
07-03-2007, 07:56 AM
You all clearly underestimate the grave threat of teenagers dressing up in elaborate old man makeup and buying bear. :no:

You have to be 21 to buy a bear?

Brian Defferding
07-03-2007, 08:00 AM
Overintrusive and rediculous legislation. They have to show their papers for every beer purchase now. Hand over just a little more government control, turn their head the other way and say "it's for the best" or "let it slide," and they continue to nickel and dime small choices like these away.

I think people who look obviously over 21 and don't drive a car should not have their right to buy beer (if someone's selling) be impeded. With this, everyone is required government registration or they can't do it. Please.

And it's interesting how this covers beer, but apparently not wine or liquor sales. :mistrust: Wonder what was the logic behind that.

KingMob
07-03-2007, 08:01 AM
Overintrusive and rediculous legislation. They have to show their papers for every beer purchase now. Hand over just a little more government control, turn their head the other way and say "it's for the best" or "let it slide," and they continue to nickel and dime small choices like these away.

I think people who look obviously over 21 and don't drive a car should not have their right to buy beer (if someone's selling) be impeded. With this, everyone is required government registration or they can't do it. Please.

And it's interesting how this covers beer, but apparently not wine or liquor sales. :mistrust: Wonder what was the logic behind that.

you would probably get a kick out of rolley james' radio show.

Gregory
07-03-2007, 08:03 AM
And it's interesting how this covers beer, but apparently not wine or liquor sales. :mistrust: Wonder what was the logic behind that.

We had a similar local law face referendum debate after passage. The blue-law statement forbid stores from selling alcohol on Sundays but allowed restaurants to provide it to patrons. This targeted the downtown convenience stores (selling mainly to college kids and black locals) but not the tourist-friendly bars and eateries.

Brian Defferding
07-03-2007, 08:09 AM
We had a similar local law face referendum debate after passage. The blue-law statement forbid stores from selling alcohol on Sundays but allowed restaurants to provide it to patrons. This targeted the downtown convenience stores (selling mainly to college kids and black locals) but not the tourist-friendly bars and eateries.

Huh. It's interesting to see how states conduct their slow war on beer/liquor.

mario
07-03-2007, 08:09 AM
you know if you weren't still half in Prohibition-mindset over alcohol it would very soon lose it's glamour with teenagers.
If american kids can drive a murder machine at 16, eligible to kill people at 18 they should have the right to drink at 16 legally.

Gregory
07-03-2007, 08:10 AM
Huh. It's interesting to see how states conduct their slow war on beer/liquor.

The Carolinas are weird in their blue laws anyhow. Sometimes, the counties vary in their rules.

Joshzilla
07-03-2007, 08:12 AM
I still hardly ever get carded here. It's just a lot of talk.

WillieLee
07-03-2007, 08:15 AM
Yeah, that 21 drinking age is rather silly. Almost as bad as Def's misspelling of ridiculous.

Brian Defferding
07-03-2007, 08:16 AM
The Carolinas are weird in their blue laws anyhow. Sometimes, the counties vary in their rules.

Yeah, I've heard of some counties in some states being "dry counties." That blows my mind.

Brian Defferding
07-03-2007, 08:16 AM
Yeah, that 21 drinking age is rather silly. Almost as bad as Def's misspelling of ridiculous.

Har har. :grope:

ihategravity
07-03-2007, 08:20 AM
I'm all for showing my ID to purchase alcohol. I'm usually anti-government, but I've seen too many young people lose thier lives from drunken driving. Anything that impedes selling alcohol to minors is a plus in my book (if we have a law we might as well enforce it).

WillieLee
07-03-2007, 08:24 AM
Har har. :grope:

Hiyo!

Bill Nolan
07-03-2007, 08:25 AM
Probably just another way to track criminals really. I have to give a license number every time I buy cold medicine.

Jesus, you must live in one of "those" neighborhoods... or at least buy your cold medicine there.