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Dan McLellan
07-02-2007, 11:40 PM
I know, I know... Do we really need another new SiCKO thread but if there can be 8 Billion threads about GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS etc...

I would strongly recommend Conservatives who hate Michael Moore see this film, not because it will change their mind about him, he does too much of his old showboating in the last half hour for that to happen. No, I feel this is, despite his jabs and juvenile poking, made a truly humanitarian bipartisan film about an issue that is passionately felt by both sides of the aisle.

He has his bias. It is crystal clear. But he cares more about the people in this film than the insurance companies do and if the only thing we get out of this is the abolition of those monstrous corporations than so be it.

Something needs to be done about our health-care system. It is broken. The question is: Do we view health-care as a public good or simply something like a car, something you need to earn. If the latter is what you believe, fine. There is nothing inherently wrong with a private health-care system. I feel that I get to caught up in the rhetoric of politics and don't full listen to others on the board who are intelligent on their thoughts about a solution to the issue at hand.

So what do we do about health-care? Should it be cheap and fast for those who work hard enough to earn it? Should we allow competition to theoretically drive down prices for all people through the free market? Should we sacrifice efficiency of mid-level procedures to ensure coverage of every single person in America? Or should we leave it alone?

His film made me think about an issue that I don't very often and reminded me that I am a privileged person. I didn't feel guilt about this but more about what I should do with this privilege.

I fully expect to be mocked for this post but it feels good to write it. So people get your "he's on a soapbox" or "fap smilies" ready.

Anyway my two cents.

c. page
07-02-2007, 11:45 PM
personally, i can't stand michael moore. i think the fact that his movies are considered "documentaries" is laughable.

that said, i'm also in favor of universal health care. so i'm torn on whether or not to see the movie.

Dan McLellan
07-02-2007, 11:48 PM
personally, i can't stand michael moore. i think the fact that his movies are considered "documentaries" is laughable.

that said, i'm also in favor of universal health care. so i'm torn on whether or not to see the movie.

All I can say that this is a more mature Michael Moore, it feels like he is in the film less, although he is actually in it more than the other films. The opening stories are devastatingly sad, almost to the point of making you miserable so his appearance as a clown in the second half makes you more appreciative than usual.

Bedlam66
07-03-2007, 12:23 AM
Moore is a Hack a Lier and a hypocrite.

Andrew j
07-03-2007, 04:21 AM
I liked the Washington Post review that started with something like, "The U.S's healthcare system needs to be fixed but Michael Moore isn't the one to do it"

There is a chance that one day I will run around yelling, "I didn't listen!!!" but the odds of Moore being the one I'm screaming about is pretty much zero. There are people with his views that I might want to listen to but the man himself just irritates me so therefore I tend to tune him out.

JoeE
07-03-2007, 04:24 AM
There are enough waiting line horror stories from countries with socialized healthcare to where I could probably make a similar movie about government healthcare. Then I could shamelessly manipulate the emotions of my audience by having the people I brought to the United States to get healthcare hugging insurance company representatives at the end!

Akira
07-03-2007, 05:13 AM
I wish someone other than Moore made Sicko. I loved it, but too many people are going to avoid it, or ignore what the movie says because he's involved; and that's a shame.

Mr. E!
07-03-2007, 05:45 AM
personally, i can't stand michael moore. i think the fact that his movies are considered "documentaries" is laughable.

that said, i'm also in favor of universal health care. so i'm torn on whether or not to see the movie.

This is a documentary. It is also a damn fine film. Moore tones it waaaaaay down, and the most effective moments are when he stays out of the picture and lets the footage speak for itself. It is worth your time.

Bill?
07-03-2007, 06:06 AM
Moore is a Hack a Lier and a hypocrite.

and fat! don't forget fat!

Bill?
07-03-2007, 06:07 AM
There are enough waiting line horror stories from countries with socialized healthcare to where I could probably make a similar movie about government healthcare. Then I could shamelessly manipulate the emotions of my audience by having the people I brought to the United States to get healthcare hugging insurance company representatives at the end!

there are plenty of similar "health care horror stories" happening right here in our own country too. I'm not sure "waiting in line" is bad when you compare it to a system where people don't even get to (although I'm not sure why people are under the impression people with insurance get health care on demand in america either). no one expects a universal health care system to be perfect. just preferable to what we got.

Kody
07-03-2007, 06:11 AM
Michael Moore just doesn't work for me. But I'm really not a fan of agenda driven documentaries anyway, no matter which side the political spectrum they side.

Mike
07-03-2007, 06:25 AM
I wish someone other than Moore made Sicko. I loved it, but too many people are going to avoid it, or ignore what the movie says because he's involved; and that's a shame.

While he does have detractors who will avoid him like the plague, I believe that Moore's reputation and celebrity give this film the kind of publicity that a non-Moore documentary rarely has. So while some people may not see it because of him, many more people (even many people who don't like him) will see a movie about healthcare because it is a Moore "event" picture.

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 08:31 AM
There are enough waiting line horror stories from countries with socialized healthcare to where I could probably make a similar movie about government healthcare. Then I could shamelessly manipulate the emotions of my audience by having the people I brought to the United States to get healthcare hugging insurance company representatives at the end!

So what do we do to fix health care? I put forth that you appear to be demanding perfection from UHC. All i want is an improvement and, despite your hatred of Moore, the facts do support it effectively covering the most amount of people with the most evenly distributed care.

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 08:33 AM
Moore is a Hack a Lier and a hypocrite.

Thanks for contributing to the discussion. You misspelled "Liar" and forgot your commas by the way.

WillieLee
07-03-2007, 08:35 AM
There are enough waiting line horror stories from countries with socialized healthcare to where I could probably make a similar movie about government healthcare. Then I could shamelessly manipulate the emotions of my audience by having the people I brought to the United States to get healthcare hugging insurance company representatives at the end!

OH NOES! Waiting lines for free elective surgery! How insidiously evil. Dirty commies!

Fourthman
07-03-2007, 08:36 AM
Thanks for contributing to the discussion. You misspelled Liar and forgot your commas by the way.

If you're going to correct his grammar, you should either put "Liar" in quotes or decapitalize the word.

mattbrand
07-03-2007, 08:37 AM
There are enough waiting line horror stories from countries with socialized healthcare to where I could probably make a similar movie about government healthcare. Then I could shamelessly manipulate the emotions of my audience by having the people I brought to the United States to get healthcare hugging insurance company representatives at the end!

There are only waiting lines for elective procedures.

JoeE
07-03-2007, 08:37 AM
OH NOES! Waiting lines for free elective surgery! How insidiously evil. Dirty commies!

Or, you know, MRIs for brain tumors, minor elective surgeries like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XAsAs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fandrewsullivan%2Etheatlantic%2Ec om%2Fthe%5Fdaily%5Fdish%2F2007%2F06%2Fthe%2Djoy%2D of%2Dsoci%2Ehtml

For the record, I don't think this is how the healthcare debate should be done, but this is Moore's game, not mine.

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 08:37 AM
If you're going to correct his grammar, you should either put "Liar" in quotes or decapitalize the word.

Sweet. Done and done.

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 08:39 AM
Or, you know, CAT scans for brain tumors, minor elective surgeries like that.

Moore had eyewitness accounts from citizens denying this. All I have is you spouting off the same "anti-socialist" talking points that the republicans use. Any fire to your smoke, or are you just perpetuating myths?

WillieLee
07-03-2007, 08:43 AM
Or, you know, MRIs for brain tumors, minor elective surgeries like that.

I await your list of stories that show this is the norm rather than the exception. Besides, it has nothing to do with the US. The US has an oversupply of equipment and surgeons so they would face no waiting lines with the increased demand under a Universal Health Care system.

JoeE
07-03-2007, 08:45 AM
I await your list of stories that show this is the norm rather than the exception.

I await your list of stories that show the anecdotes cited in Moore's movie are the norm rather than the exception.

WillieLee
07-03-2007, 08:47 AM
I await your list of stories that show the anecdotes cited in Moore's movie are the norm rather than the exception.

Where did I make such a claim?

Akira
07-03-2007, 08:48 AM
Or, you know, MRIs for brain tumors, minor elective surgeries like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XAsAs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fandrewsullivan%2Etheatlantic%2Ec om%2Fthe%5Fdaily%5Fdish%2F2007%2F06%2Fthe%2Djoy%2D of%2Dsoci%2Ehtml

For the record, I don't think this is how the healthcare debate should be done, but this is Moore's game, not mine.

Given the option of waiting a few months before getting a free MRI or going into back breaking debt that you and your children will be saddled with for years to get an MRI (that's IF your insurance doesn't find a loophole to claim that the MRI isn't covered), I know what I'd pick.

JoeE
07-03-2007, 08:49 AM
Where did I make such a claim?

I could ask the same of you. I made no such claim about any other countries system, all I'm saying is that Michael Moores "look at this horror story!" approach is bullshit.

And I fail at apostrophes. Wow, I'm a little ashamed of that.

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 08:55 AM
I await your list of stories that show the anecdotes cited in Moore's movie are the norm rather than the exception.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/8/4/52.pdf

British opinion on NHS from the 80's it has improved since then. 80% of non-elective surgeries have a wait time of less than 3 months.

Elective surgeries have longer wait times. A large majority of brits would NOT trade their system for ours.

Again, asking for a perfect system is bullshit, this one is better, that's why i support it.

WillieLee
07-03-2007, 08:56 AM
I could ask the same of you. I made no such claim about any other countries system, all I'm saying is that Michael Moores "look at this horror story!" approach is bullshit.

And I fail at apostrophes. Wow, I'm a little ashamed of that.

Dude.



There are enough waiting line horror stories from countries with socialized healthcare to where I could probably make a similar movie about government healthcare.



Or, you know, MRIs for brain tumors, minor elective surgeries like that.

Doc Randy
07-03-2007, 09:00 AM
Michael Moore just doesn't work for me. But I'm really not a fan of agenda driven documentaries anyway, no matter which side the political spectrum they side.

Whether or not you realize it, ALL documentaries have an agenda.

JoeE
07-03-2007, 09:01 AM
Dude.

Being a little more familiar with my own thought processes than you are, I don't see any inconsistency.

JoeE
07-03-2007, 09:01 AM
Whether or not you realize it, ALL documentaries have an agenda.

But not necessarily a political one.

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 09:02 AM
Being a little more familiar with my own thought processes than you are, I don't see any inconsistency.

I gave you statistical evidence. Look at it fool!

Tom Burgos
07-03-2007, 09:02 AM
Ugh, I can't stand Michael Moore films.

And I say this as a Democrat myself.
I am sick of his stupid ass showboating, grandstanding and self-serving.

I truly dislike Bush, but if I knew that voting republican would stop Moore from making any more "documentaries" I would vote republican...

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 09:02 AM
But not necessarily a political one.

No, March of the Penguins had an environmental message.

What's your point?

WillieLee
07-03-2007, 09:14 AM
Being a little more familiar with my own thought processes than you are, I don't see any inconsistency.

So when you made the claim about other countries' health care systems you weren't really making a claim about other countries' health care systems so when you denied making a claim about other countries' health care systems you were right?

Doc Randy
07-03-2007, 09:20 AM
... all I'm saying is that Michael Moores "look at this horror story!" approach is bullshit.



1) Have you actually the movie? It is far more mild-mannered than your posts indicate.

2) The simple fact is that the US ranks last amongst western industrialized nations in health care metrics. LAST. In the world, we rank #37 according to the W.H.O.. Not only that, but we pay more and receive less than any other nation. That is a genuine real horror story.


Of course... you may not think there is a problem at all.

Akira
07-03-2007, 09:21 AM
Ugh, I can't stand Michael Moore films.

And I say this as a Democrat myself.
I am sick of his stupid ass showboating, grandstanding and self-serving.

I truly dislike Bush, but if I knew that voting republican would stop Moore from making any more "documentaries" I would vote republican...

I feel the same way, but you should still see Sicko. It is the least "Michael Moor-ish" of his films. There's one cringe worthy grandstanding scene, but it's relatively late in the movie and over pretty quickly.

chess
07-03-2007, 10:11 AM
I really have enjoyed Michael Moore films. I will eventually see this film.

I work with doctor's offices and have health insurance. I am privy to "the game" of having a person who knows how to work the insurance system (to get paid for services).

I know insurance companies play games, too.

Information, even biased information, can be a good way to start conversations.

....And I am a free-market guy who does not believe in socialism or "free" universal health care.

Doc Randy
07-03-2007, 10:16 AM
....And I am a free-market guy who does not believe in socialism or "free" universal health care.

So... seeings how countries like Canada, Japan, France, Taiwan, the UK, and 31 other countries are all out performing our own system (based on metrics like infant mortality rate, life expectancy, etc...) at a fraction of the cost, why would you prefer our system?

Do you like our society paying more (per capita and % of GDP) for less?

Also... seeings how we live in a mixed economy with a mixed health care system, are there any free market systems that you can point to that outperform UHC systems?

What are the reasons you prefer our system to say... Japan's?

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 10:16 AM
I could ask the same of you. I made no such claim about any other countries system, all I'm saying is that Michael Moores "look at this horror story!" approach is bullshit.

And I fail at apostrophes. Wow, I'm a little ashamed of that.

I'm still waiting on what your proposed health care system is.

Ethan Van Sciver
07-03-2007, 10:26 AM
Having seen Sicko, I now am a Michael Moore fan, and believe he should at least be consulted about Healthcare reform. What a gentleman.

Corey
07-03-2007, 10:27 AM
Ugh, I can't stand Michael Moore films.

And I say this as a Democrat myself.
I am sick of his stupid ass showboating, grandstanding and self-serving.

I truly dislike Bush, but if I knew that voting republican would stop Moore from making any more "documentaries" I would vote republican...

Wow. You'd vote for people who actively affect the course of the country instead of ignoring films of someone you don't like?

Ethan Van Sciver
07-03-2007, 10:28 AM
Wow. You'd vote for people who actively affect the course of the country instead of ignoring films of someone you don't like?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!:)

Akira
07-03-2007, 10:31 AM
Do you like our society paying more (per capita and % of GDP) for less?

That's why I don't understand the free market's argument. It's a waste of our money to spend more for a failed system.

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 10:32 AM
That's why I don't understand the free market's argument. It's a waste of our money to spend more for a failed system.

It's the choice thing. Free Market is all about having the option of not helping others instead of being forced by the government too.

Akira
07-03-2007, 10:38 AM
It's the choice thing. Free Market is all about having the option of not helping others instead of being forced by the government too.

Even if that person is yourself? HMOs can drop you, drop coverage, or say that certain proceedures aren't covered anytime they want to. So you're paying money for less quality, and there's no guarentee that you'd get the HMO to pay for your proceedures period.

I mean if you're really all about free market for healthcare, why have insurance at all?

Tom Burgos
07-03-2007, 10:39 AM
Wow. You'd vote for people who actively affect the course of the country instead of ignoring films of someone you don't like?

But anyone I vote for will actively affect the course of the country.

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 10:40 AM
Even if that person is yourself? HMOs can drop you, drop coverage, or say that certain proceedures aren't covered anytime they want to. So you're paying money for less quality, and there's no guarentee that you'd get the HMO to pay for your proceedures period.

I mean if you're really all about free market for healthcare, why have insurance at all?

To them it's the principle. The concept of financial liberty trumps all other concerns. I think it's a load of bullshit.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: No matter how much they spin it the free market is about selfish greed and apathy.

Corey
07-03-2007, 10:41 AM
But anyone I vote for will actively affect the course of the country.

Obviously. But why would you vote for someone you wouldn't normally just so someone doesn't make movies?

Greenville 90210
07-03-2007, 10:44 AM
I truly dislike Bush, but if I knew that voting republican would stop Moore from making any more "documentaries" I would vote republican...

Revenge voting? Why not just skip the movie? Or make your own?

Greenville 90210
07-03-2007, 10:46 AM
Having seen Sicko, I now am a Michael Moore fan, and believe he should at least be consulted about Healthcare reform. What a gentleman.

How can I love you and hate you at the same time?

Ethan Van Sciver
07-03-2007, 10:54 AM
How can I love you and hate you at the same time?

Why, what did I do?

Bedlam66
07-03-2007, 10:58 AM
Thanks for contributing to the discussion. You misspelled "Liar" and forgot your commas by the way.
I'n soryy me Ofended youz mizter Gramer speeling Nazi.


God I hate that Shit you people want to Correct others Spelling and grammar Go have some fucking Kids or become a teacher.

Greenville 90210
07-03-2007, 10:59 AM
I'n soryy me Ofended youz mizter Gramer speeling Nazi.


God I hate that Shit you people want to Correct others Spelling and grammar Go have some fucking Kids or become a teacher.

Jeez. You sure are filled with a lot of rage.

Run around the block or punch a pillow before replying to a post that angers you. ;)

Ethan Van Sciver
07-03-2007, 11:01 AM
Yeah. I honestly don't know why adults get angry when asked to spell correctly. What was school for again?

jaydub
07-03-2007, 11:04 AM
Having seen Sicko, I now am a Michael Moore fan, and believe he should at least be consulted about Healthcare reform. What a gentleman.

Really?

Ethan Van Sciver
07-03-2007, 11:04 AM
Really?

Absolutely.

jaydub
07-03-2007, 11:05 AM
Yeah. I honestly don't know why adults get angry when asked to spell correctly. What was school for again?

I'm not so sure that poster is an adult. My assumption was he was not.

jaydub
07-03-2007, 11:05 AM
Absolutely.

Cool!

Dan McLellan
07-03-2007, 11:06 AM
I'n soryy me Ofended youz mizter Gramer speeling Nazi.


God I hate that Shit you people want to Correct others Spelling and grammar Go have some fucking Kids or become a teacher.

You! Grammar!

Ethan Van Sciver
07-03-2007, 11:07 AM
Cool!

You're a fan of Michael Moore as well?

jaydub
07-03-2007, 11:14 AM
You're a fan of Michael Moore as well?

Absolutely. I've enjoyed every one of his movies since Roger and Me. Entertaining and thought-provoking.

I'm a fan of yours as well. I dig that we more often than not don't agree politically but we have common ground in Michael Moore movies.

Doc Randy
07-03-2007, 11:35 AM
Absolutely.

My sarcasm detector is beeping.

McAfee
07-03-2007, 11:38 AM
My sarcasm detector is beeping.

Mine's bellowing...like there's a tornado or nuclear missiles on the way. :)

bradical
07-03-2007, 11:38 AM
My sarcasm detector is beeping.

fishing with ethan.

Bedlam66
07-03-2007, 11:54 AM
Jeez. You sure are filled with a lot of rage.

Run around the block or punch a pillow before replying to a post that angers you. ;)
Haha no I'm not angry that stuff just really Annoys me.


You! Grammar!


FUCK OFF !!!!!!!! :mad:

:twisted:

WillieLee
07-04-2007, 07:50 AM
Having seen Sicko, I now am a Michael Moore fan, and believe he should at least be consulted about Healthcare reform. What a gentleman.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1002/717054832_7924057edc.jpg

Brad N.
07-04-2007, 08:22 AM
Michael Moore just doesn't work for me. But I'm really not a fan of agenda driven documentaries anyway, no matter which side the political spectrum they side.

All documentaries are agenda driven, it's kinda the point of making one. Whether you are watching one about the Alaskan Wilderness or Bowling For Columbine the filmmaker is giving you his POV.

Dan McLellan
07-04-2007, 08:23 AM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1002/717054832_7924057edc.jpg

A Van Trap at that. Head to the hills.

Brad N.
07-04-2007, 08:32 AM
A Van Trap at that. Head to the hills.

Hiyoooooo!

Mylazycat
07-04-2007, 08:35 AM
What was school for again?

Picking up girls.

KHAN!
07-04-2007, 08:31 PM
To them it's the principle. The concept of financial liberty trumps all other concerns. I think it's a load of bullshit.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: No matter how much they spin it the free market is about selfish greed and apathy.

Ripped right from the marxist handbook. They want everything handed to them from the government like a fucking 5 year old.

KHAN!
07-04-2007, 08:39 PM
So... seeings how countries like Canada, Japan, France, Taiwan, the UK, and 31 other countries are all out performing our own system (based on metrics like infant mortality rate, life expectancy, etc...) at a fraction of the cost, why would you prefer our system?

Do you like our society paying more (per capita and % of GDP) for less?

Also... seeings how we live in a mixed economy with a mixed health care system, are there any free market systems that you can point to that outperform UHC systems?

What are the reasons you prefer our system to say... Japan's?


Hey, if you want Europe's healthcare system, why don't you just go ahead and move there. Nevermind the insanely high unemployment rates and excessively high taxes, you get healthcare handed to you like a spoiled teenager wanting their allowance.

Me, for one, I don't want my tax money going to fund the insurance from some fatass who cant fucking put down that extra fucking Twinkie or some lowlife pot smoker who wants to pollute their lungs to the point where their body is just riddled with cancer or some fucking whore who is riddled with STDs because they don't know the basics of safe sex.

People need to fucking have personal accountability and not look to the government for a fucking handout. Because it's already bad enough with all the welfare abusing scumbags who don't want to do anything with their lives except wanting more free stuff from the government.

Ben
07-04-2007, 08:43 PM
Hey, if you want Europe's healthcare system, why don't you just go ahead and move there. Nevermind the insanely high unemployment rates and excessively high taxes, you get healthcare handed to you like a spoiled teenager wanting their allowance.

Me, for one, I don't want my tax money going to fund the insurance from some fatass who cant fucking put down that extra fucking Twinkie or some lowlife pot smoker who wants to pollute their lungs to the point where their body is just riddled with cancer or some fucking whore who is riddled with STDs because they don't know the basics of safe sex.

People need to fucking have personal accountability and not look to the government for a fucking handout. Because it's already bad enough with all the welfare abusing scumbags who don't want to do anything with their lives except wanting more free stuff from the government.Well, as long as you're educated about the issues. That's the most important thing.

Rosemary's Baby
07-09-2007, 08:40 AM
Ripped right from the marxist handbook. They want everything handed to them from the government like a fucking 5 year old.

But don't you think everyone deserves something as basic and necessary as being treated by a doctor? If you're sick, you should see a doctor, right? Not all jobs offer health insurance. Those jobs are still necessary to keep the country running. Why should those people suffer?

Have a fucking heart.

Edit: Oops, didn't notice he was banned.

Rosemary's Baby
07-09-2007, 09:00 AM
I thought it was a good film, although it was extremely depressing at times. I'd say it was Moore's second best to Roger and Me.

I hated hearing how France, England, and Canada's healthcare compares to the US's. It was terribly depressing. Something is definitely wrong here and you shoudn't need a documentary to tell you this, but the film added fuel to the flames. And yes, it is agenda driven, but wouldn't it be boring as hell if it wasn't? I happen to agree with it, so it didn't bother me too much. Speaking in terms of pure entertainment, the film was well made.

Also, it was Moore at his least Michael Moore and he was very funny at times.

I have several friends who owe thousands of dollars in medical bills and my girlfriend is in the same boat, but the personal stories told in the film were fucking heartbreaking.

Bill Nolan
07-09-2007, 09:05 AM
Kinda flopping at the box office, at least given the expectations and endless news coverage of the release. I wanted to see it, too, but it will probably start disappearing from most of the local theaters by the end of the week. Might have the venture into the heart of enemy territory and see it in Boston. But I really don't think the "big screen experience" is necessary to appreciate this one, so I'll probably wait for the DVD.

Wastrel
07-09-2007, 09:07 AM
But don't you think everyone deserves something as basic and necessary as being treated by a doctor? If you're sick, you should see a doctor, right? Not all jobs offer health insurance. Those jobs are still necessary to keep the country running. Why should those people suffer?

Have a fucking heart.

Edit: Oops, didn't notice he was banned.

i dont think people should just be given anything, not even the things they need.

Matt Jay
07-09-2007, 09:13 AM
I've always been against universal health care. I'm against most things that smell like socialism because, well, socialism sucks. I've also been against Michael Moore ever since "Bowling" because of the way he distorts and sensationalizes. That said, this movie was very good and I now think that universal health care is not only a good idea, but it's embarassing that we don't have it.

Some excellent, excellent points were made throughout (ie: our public school system being comparable to UHC; I can't believe I've never thought of that). While I realize this "documentary" is propaganda and certain things must be taken with a grain of salt (the Cuban ordeal), the fundamental points it makes are sound and it has opened my eyes to the fact that some of my previous opinions (competition being fundamental to satisfactory health care)were the result of our own propaganda.

Rosemary's Baby
07-09-2007, 09:19 AM
I've always been against universal health care. I'm against most things that smell like socialism because, well, socialism sucks. I've also been against Michael Moore ever since "Bowling" because of the way he distorts and sensationalizes. That said, this movie was very good and I now think that universal health care is not only a good idea, but it's embarassing that we don't have it.

Some excellent, excellent points were made throughout (ie: our public school system being comparable to UHC; I can't believe I've never thought of that). While I realize this "documentary" is propaganda and certain things must be taken with a grain of salt (the Cuban ordeal), the fundamental points it makes are sound and it has opened my eyes to the fact that some of my previous opinions (competition being fundamental to satisfactory health care)were the result of our own propaganda.

Wow...

Yeah, exactly.

Bill?
07-09-2007, 09:34 AM
Kinda flopping at the box office, at least given the expectations and endless news coverage of the release. I wanted to see it, too, but it will probably start disappearing from most of the local theaters by the end of the week. Might have the venture into the heart of enemy territory and see it in Boston. But I really don't think the "big screen experience" is necessary to appreciate this one, so I'll probably wait for the DVD.

i don't know if it's a flop or not. for a movie of it's kind, i think it's done ok. according to some thing i read it's already the 7th or 8th highest grossing documentary of all time. it hasn't made as much as his last movie, but it's also on way fewer screens (and the subject matter isn't really quite as seasonable or controversial).

chess
01-25-2008, 01:35 PM
Wow! I seem to be bringing back another thread...

I saw Sicko last night. Michael Moore did an excellent job and made some great points. I truly enjoyed this movie.

Some great points Moore made....

He used the example that police and fire departments are hired by governments. They seem to work well.

He also interviewed an older British gentleman. He had some really interesting points about democracy and "being free". He tied it into a nice argument for universal healthcare.

Finally, my favorite part of the movie was visiting Norway and taking a walk with the government's philosopher. His purpose was to help ask the right questions. What an amazing idea.

Anyway, as a free-market person, I enjoyed this movie.