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NATE!
06-21-2007, 01:26 PM
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/thinkingright/entries/2007/06/21/gas_at_6_per_gallon_get_ready.html
This is kind of leaving me scratching my head, both on it's validity and the logic if it is valid.
dEnny!
06-21-2007, 01:31 PM
Ethanol requires more energy to produce than it generates as fuel, to say nothing of the water required for irrigation in areas like drought-stricken South Georgia. It’s subsidized by taxpayers with a 51-cents per gallon tax credit, and it’s subsidized again at the pump with a 54-cents-a-gallon tariff on imported ethanol. Go figure.
This always bugged me when people say they support ethanol.
BrianS
06-21-2007, 01:35 PM
About time people started getting serious about paying for alternative energy. Never mind the global warming issue, we need to seperate ourselves from the Middle East.
KarlH
06-21-2007, 01:41 PM
This always bugged me when people say they support ethanol.
Ethanol is pay off to the farming industry. You get crappier MPG with the argument for better pollution control. But if it takes more gas to do the same job it all evens out.
Jacob Lyon Goddard
06-21-2007, 01:43 PM
joke's on them
world's ending 2012
BrianS
06-21-2007, 01:45 PM
Ethanol is pay off to the farming industry. You get crappier MPG with the argument for better pollution control. But if it takes more gas to do the same job it all evens out.
Hmmm...pay the farmers or pay the Saudi's...hmmm
JHickman
06-21-2007, 01:49 PM
About time people started getting serious about paying for alternative energy. Never mind the global warming issue, we need to seperate ourselves from the Middle East.
Ethanol is bullshit, but I agree with you here...
KarlH
06-21-2007, 01:53 PM
Hmmm...pay the farmers or pay the Saudi's...hmmm
It's amazing how you extract a person's position from a simple comment. I'm all for altenative energy but ethanol is crap. Do you know how much ground water is used to irrigate a corn field? You want to be scared about the environment, read "Cadillac Desert".
Doc Randy
06-21-2007, 01:55 PM
The sad reality is that true gas prices are actually about double what we pay at the pump. The problem is that our government has so heavily subsidized this industry that we have externalized the costs of gas (in the form of "invisible" taxes not paid at the pumps) to the detriment to the market.
I say we just take away all the subsidies. Let the market sort it out.
Kingsumo
06-21-2007, 01:55 PM
joke's on them
world's ending 2012
Given all the news I have read in the last few months. I am kind of hoping you are right.
Generic Poster
06-21-2007, 02:00 PM
I say we just take away all the subsidies. Let the market sort it out.
Agreed. I don't know enough about ethanol to know if it's bullshit or not (seems to have worked out well for Brazil so far), but I do know if we subsidize it, we'll never escape it whether it's crap or not.
XSaraXPoeX
06-21-2007, 02:02 PM
joke's on them
world's ending 2012December 21st!
Bill Nolan
06-21-2007, 02:05 PM
They're really trying to make it difficult for me to get gasoline that's not going to ruin my generator and lawn mower, aren't they? :no:
BrianS
06-21-2007, 02:05 PM
It's amazing how you extract a person's position from a simple comment. I'm all for altenative energy but ethanol is crap. Do you know how much ground water is used to irrigate a corn field? You want to be scared about the environment, read "Cadillac Desert".
I'm not saying corn is the answer, maybe its sugar?
KarlH
06-21-2007, 02:10 PM
I'm not saying corn is the answer, maybe its sugar?
Could be, but again the water required is high. Lots of ways to harness energy without dino fuel.
lonesomefool
06-21-2007, 02:23 PM
It's amazing how you extract a person's position from a simple comment. I'm all for altenative energy but ethanol is crap. Do you know how much ground water is used to irrigate a corn field? You want to be scared about the environment, read "Cadillac Desert".
As someone who grew up on a farm, I can attest to the high price of irrigation. Sadly, it's often the onlyway to have your crops grow at a good rate, and avoid drought loss.
Patrick King
06-21-2007, 02:24 PM
This always bugged me when people say they support ethanol.
Yeah, one of my friends always brings this up whenever someone mentions alternative fuels. Makes sense too.
chess
06-21-2007, 02:42 PM
About time people started getting serious about paying for alternative energy. Never mind the global warming issue, we need to seperate ourselves from the Middle East.
Right on!
Somewhere we need to find an alternative way to move our automobiles.
chess
06-21-2007, 02:44 PM
As someone who grew up on a farm, I can attest to the high price of irrigation. Sadly, it's often the onlyway to have your crops grow at a good rate, and avoid drought loss.
I think about this, too. It seems silly that we are trading one "sin" (oil) for another "sin".
We need to find another "good source" of energy. Where is this generation's Tesla?
Oh yeah... She's in India!
ClintP
06-21-2007, 02:49 PM
About time people started getting serious about paying for alternative energy. Never mind the global warming issue, we need to seperate ourselves from the Middle East.
That is my biggest hope for doing it. The sooner we stop giving them money for oil, the sooner they can stop buying weapons with it against us.
ClintP
06-21-2007, 02:59 PM
I think about this, too. It seems silly that we are trading one "sin" (oil) for another "sin".
We need to find another "good source" of energy. Where is this generation's Tesla?
Oh yeah... She's in India!
Working for the oil industry so they keep a lid on him I am sure.
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