Doctor Who S3 E11 Utopia

[Ben Weldon]

Holy crap...I mean...HOLY CRAP!!! A so-so but enjoyable episode with a freaking amazing last 15 minutes.

[NickT]

I thought the guy from Torchwood was meant to be in this? I mean, that one guy looked like him, but he wasn't moping on rooftops.

[Ben Weldon]

I thought the guy from Torchwood was meant to be in this? I mean, that one guy looked like him, but he wasn't moping on rooftops.

I think the Care Bare Stare at the end of Torchwood de-angst him.

[tom daylight]

when he pulled that thing out of his pocket, I went "holy shit!" nice integration of this season's storylines. maybe we'll see sparrow and nightingale in the finale

[Ben Weldon]

Who else thought at first that the Professor was A future version of The Doctor?

[Ben Weldon]

Oh, and Outpost Gallifrey has crashed to fuck! People must be having kittens.

[Lanowar]

Being the uber geek I was I figured out who he was when he pulled the watch out and went to my parents.

"Oh it must be The Master"

They turned around and went "Who?"

Nice twist it was about time he showed up of course we know it'll end with him being dumped with the watch at the end of the Universe just like he said.

[tom daylight]

I was momentarily convinced he was somehow little Timmy grown old... but the truth slowly dawned on me before the reveal (especially with the reused voiceover)...

[Roger]

i can't waait to see it....that and jekyll.
going to be a good weekend of tv.

[InigoMontoya]

Who else thought at first that the Professor was A future version of The Doctor?

Me too!

Yet another amazing episode, its really spoiling us for the rest of the season. I so missed this episode, i thought it was going to be rubbish.

I'm a heterosexual man but even i fancy Captain Jack!

[TheFalcon]

This was an awesome episode. It was great having Captain Jack back and all the talk about the hand and Rose was cool.

I had heard the rumours about the Master, but I really wasn't expecting him to show up in this episode.

Spoiler/finale speculation:

Anyone else think that Utopia is Gallifrey? In the summary for the last episode it said something about a reborn Time Lord Empire. It would be a a cool way for the Doctor to get a new Tardis and get back to Earth

[tom daylight]

I have to wonder how any kind of "Utopia" could exist when all the stars had burned out.

[Prime]

I liked the episode a lot, (although I have a feeling the doctor will get back to earth and defeat the master ....... :D)

The strange thing is I have never seen an episode with the master in it (bar the eric roberts version) , yet he does seem to have an air of gravitas about him that makes him bad ass.

I have vaque memories of the davidson/baker/mccoy era growing up, bonnie langford, sophie aldred and a "bertie basset" monster. yet I was never an obsessive about it, so all of my knowledge comes from the new series, a fe confidential episodes, and the nostalgia programs (doctor who night from a few years back)

I can't seem to get past the production values of the old series, is it really worth watching?

If I was to start somewhere, where would be the best place?

going by pop culture, Tom Baker seems to have been THE doctor, should I start there? from the beginning?
any recommendations?

cheers

[artimoff]

I have tears of joy in my eyes right now.

[Brian Boru]

there was something a bit off about this first part... and I think it has something to do with Captain Jack Harkness. Does RTD have to beat us over the head with all this irrelevant gaiety every time he writes a script?

and those wee beasties were more than a bit bargain-basement as well.

[tom daylight]

The strange thing is I have never seen an episode with the master in it (bar the eric roberts version) , yet he does seem to have an air of gravitas about him that makes him bad ass.



I think you probably got that from him stabbing his admiring assistant with a live cable whilst sinisterly whispering "I am the Master!"

[Prime]

I think you probably got that from him stabbing his admiring assistant with a live cable whilst sinisterly whispering "I am the Master!"


chen you're probably right there tho.

:D

[Bandit Chimera]

wow...just wow....i dunno what else to say

[Martin J]

Fuck yeah now that is what i want in a Dr Who episode.

MJ

[artimoff]

Did everyone notice John Barrowman's name in the opening credits? I hope he stays on Doctor Who well after these 3 episodes.

[Dave S.]

I've never watched Dr. Who before the Eccleston era. But I knew that it was the Master fairly early on. Before the watch ever came out. The fact that the talk about time travel set him off. I knew it for sure then, but suspected since the second time he heard drums

[Yannick_B]

Holy shit that was beautiful.

[Bedlam66]

I've never watched Dr. Who before the Eccleston era. But I knew that it was the Master fairly early on. Before the watch ever came out. The fact that the talk about time travel set him off. I knew it for sure then, but suspected since the second time he heard drums
Yea I got All Excited cause I've had a feeling all season that the Master was Comming back and everyone I watched the Ep with Couldn't Figure out Why I was getting all Giddy lol. Then I had to Explain who the Master was. :p

So did anyone watch Jekyll? Was it Any Good?

[Matthew Brown]

Torchwood spoilers and Doctor Who speculation.
Anyone think they'll be looking for that TARDIS Jack was growing in the present?

[Tom Brevoort]

Torchwood spoilers and Doctor Who speculation.
Anyone think they'll be looking for that TARDIS Jack was growing in the present?

They've got Jack's wrist space-hopper and the sonic screwdriver. They'll be fine.

Tom B

[twigglet]

Wouldn't the Master have a TARDIS?

Sorry if that's a stupid question.

[Pia Guerra]

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HOLY FLURKING SHNIT!

Heard he was showing up but man, that was sweet.

Which begs the question, how did the Master escape and how did he get a chameleon arch to hide himself?

[The Doctor]

Wouldn't the Master have a TARDIS?

Sorry if that's a stupid question.
Yeah but he lost his ages ago.

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HOLY FLURKING SHNIT!

Heard he was showing up but man, that was sweet.

Which begs the question, how did the Master escape and how did he get a chameleon arch to hide himself?
I think The Doctor put him there.

[Colin Boylan]

Series 3 of Doctor Who has been amazing! Now we have The Master back, and Jack!

[tom daylight]

They've got Jack's wrist space-hopper and the sonic screwdriver. They'll be fine.

Somehow I doubt Martha Jones can survive a 150-year wait... and just think of the paradoxes if Jack bumps into himself during that time...

but that was how I figure it will go.

Terrific cliffhanger of course, even though it's such an obvious one I don't think they've ever done that before!

[tom daylight]

Wouldn't the Master have a TARDIS?

Sorry if that's a stupid question.

He did, and its chameleon circuit actually worked properly, so it appeared as all sorts of different things. So one has to wonder how anyone other than him would be able to find it... but also, it might not exist any more, as all relics of the Time Lords located within time and space, be it TARDISes, Gallifrey and the Time Lords themselves, are apparently wiped from all reality. (The Master survived because he existed as a human, but his TARDIS probably didn't have that benefit.)

What I really wondered is why nobody thought to follow him by doing what Jack did at the start of the episode - that seemed to work all right!

[Bedlam66]

What I really wondered is why nobody thought to follow him by doing what Jack did at the start of the episode - that seemed to work all right!
Because it would Kill them. Jack only Survived because of his inability to Die Condition.

[tom daylight]

So Jack could have done it, or the Doctor (who would regenerate - I mean obviously that wouldn't happen, but it's something he would do)?

[Prime]

Somehow I doubt Martha Jones can survive a 150-year wait... and just think of the paradoxes if Jack bumps into himself during that time...

but that was how I figure it will go.

Terrific cliffhanger of course, even though it's such an obvious one I don't think they've ever done that before!


I'm guessing the mojo he performed with his sonic screwdriver prior to the tardis leaving, will allow him to reprogram the vortex thingy jack has, so that they avoid the "space hopper like" control issues.

[Susan BANthony]

:o

Anyone who says this show has gone downhill needs to have their head examined. That was such a brilliant, seemingly harmless episode until the last 15 minutes or so.

[Prime]

If martha recognised saxon's voice, then how come the doctor couldn't sense him on earth?

Has saxon used the chameleon arch again? is the whole "I'd sense them" a lot of crap.

or is it just some " wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey" explanation?

[tom daylight]

I think the sensing thing is an active thing the Doctor has to do, and by the time Saxon came about he'd given up.

[Dark Sasha]

Someone hold me.

[TheFalcon]

I think the sensing thing is an active thing the Doctor has to do, and by the time Saxon came about he'd given up.

Do we actually know that he has the ability to sense other Time Lords like that? I remember Ecclestone said: "it feels like there's no one", but did he actually know or was it just that he felt left behind and didn't believe anyone else survived the Time War?

[artimoff]

If martha recognised saxon's voice, then how come the doctor couldn't sense him on earth?

Has saxon used the chameleon arch again? is the whole "I'd sense them" a lot of crap.

or is it just some " wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey" explanation?

It's a TV show writen for 8 year olds.

[Dark Sasha]

It's a TV show writen for 8 year olds.

That has been nominated for hugo awards.

[Michael John Wheeler]

I really like that we they told us the last story would be a two-parter instead of a three-parter. I wasn't expecting this until next week!

What is really wonderful is the effect Rose is still having on the series. I hate it when actors leave and it's like they never existed.

I really hope that Barrowman being in the opening credits means he's going to stay on as a companion for the next season.

[Howlett]

That episode was fucking GLORIOUS!!! Great to see Jack back with the Doctor.

One minor, MINOR complaint, and I only mention it because of the level of awesomeness that goes into the writing of this show that it was something that really surprised me.

Anyone else a bit surprised that this didn't match up with the Torchwood ending? In Torchwood, the TARDIS showed up in the office for Jack to leave on. In Doctor Who, it's way outside the building and Jack is running to try and catch it.

As I said, a minor complaint, but one that stands out due to how well they've written both shows so far.

[Susan BANthony]

That episode was fucking GLORIOUS!!! Great to see Jack back with the Doctor.

One minor, MINOR complaint, and I only mention it because of the level of awesomeness that goes into the writing of this show that it was something that really surprised me.

Anyone else a bit surprised that this didn't match up with the Torchwood ending? In Torchwood, the TARDIS showed up in the office for Jack to leave on. In Doctor Who, it's way outside the building and Jack is running to try and catch it.

As I said, a minor complaint, but one that stands out due to how well they've written both shows so far.

Noticed that myself, but it didn't bother me because it was so AWESOME. :D

[Howlett]

Noticed that myself, but it didn't bother me because it was so AWESOME. :D

Glad to see it wasn't just me :lol:

[Susan BANthony]

Glad to see it wasn't just me :lol:

I'm wondering if they didn't have access to the Torchwood set for some reason or another.

But no, not just you. I so wanted to see a clingy Captain Jack on the TARDIS during the credits. :lol:

[Howlett]

I'm wondering if they didn't have access to the Torchwood set for some reason or another.

But no, not just you. I so wanted to see a clingy Captain Jack on the TARDIS during the credits. :lol:

Possibly. But still, they could've made another. I mean, the TARDIS showed up in another room. They could've done something that wouldn't have cost a bomb to do. Ah well, was still great.

:shock: I SAID THE SAME THING!!! :o

That would've made that episode the best EVER!!!

[Pia Guerra]

Ah but he TARDIS wasn't actually seen inside Torchwood was it? Jack heard it from off screen. The wind could have been from outside either from a vent blowing air from the TARDIS's appearance or from the door opening as Jack bolted out.

(and yeah, I thought the same thing about Jack hanging off during the credits! heh!)

[Matthew Brown]

That episode was fucking GLORIOUS!!! Great to see Jack back with the Doctor.

One minor, MINOR complaint, and I only mention it because of the level of awesomeness that goes into the writing of this show that it was something that really surprised me.

Anyone else a bit surprised that this didn't match up with the Torchwood ending? In Torchwood, the TARDIS showed up in the office for Jack to leave on. In Doctor Who, it's way outside the building and Jack is running to try and catch it.

As I said, a minor complaint, but one that stands out due to how well they've written both shows so far.

Actually, I think the way he heard the TARDIS was through his "Doctor detector," and the scattered papers and stuff was just him hurriedly packing to go.

[Howlett]

Ah but he TARDIS wasn't actually seen inside Torchwood was it? Jack heard it from off screen. The wind could have been from outside either from a vent blowing air from the TARDIS's appearance or from the door opening as Jack bolted out.

(and yeah, I thought the same thing about Jack hanging off during the credits! heh!)

I thought the same at first, but Jack looked at a specific room when the TARDIS showed up in the finale with the flash from the TARDIS materialising coming from there(if I remember correctly). Possible though. As I said, it was just a wee bit surprising.

Wouldn't that have been perfect? Oooooh, they should've shown him when his name showed up on the credits :rofl:

[Howlett]

Actually, I think the way he heard the TARDIS was through his "Doctor detector," and the scattered papers and stuff was just him hurriedly packing to go.

Oooooooooooooooooooooh yeah... okay, that makes more sense now. Yeah.

That would explain the flash from the room and stuff, since the hand was glowing. Nice catch.

[Matthew Brown]

Oooooooooooooooooooooh yeah... okay, that makes more sense now. Yeah.

That would explain the flash from the room and stuff, since the hand was glowing. Nice catch.

Where's my No Prize? 8-)

[Bedlam66]

Oooooooooooooooooooooh yeah... okay, that makes more sense now. Yeah.

That would explain the flash from the room and stuff, since the hand was glowing. Nice catch.
I think he Landed on that Hatch. the one where you stand on it and noone else can see you. the Papers were him shoving shit into that backpack and running for his Life to get to the tardis in time.

[tom daylight]

I'm wondering if they didn't have access to the Torchwood set for some reason or another.

But no, not just you. I so wanted to see a clingy Captain Jack on the TARDIS during the credits. :lol:

I was just disappointed they didn't have it properly spinning. Obviously that would have been incredibly difficult to do, and it looked pretty cool as it is (and there is the 'out' that because it was travelling in a different sort of way, trying to shake him off, travelling a lot further through the vortex than usual, it didn't spin like it normally does)... but it could have looked amazing!

[joespam]

How is it that The Master can regenerate? I thought his whole deal was that he'd used up his default allotment of regenerations and had to murder other living beings for their energy to continue existing, which was part of why he was an outlaw timelord.

[Michael John Wheeler]

What really struck me as odd was the Doctor trying to avoid meeting Jack. He saw Jack running toward the Tardis and took off, purposefully. That's odd.

[Howlett]

What really struck me as odd was the Doctor trying to avoid meeting Jack. He saw Jack running toward the Tardis and took off, purposefully. That's odd.

He explains it in the episode. Can't remember the wording but it's when Jack is in the room full of radiation.

[Unknown Kadath]

That has been nominated for hugo awards.

I thought it had won some? In fact, beat out Battlestar Galactica, which was most definitely not written for 8 year olds? Anyway....

....now that's a cliffhanger!

[Dark Sasha]

I thought it had won some? In fact, beat out Battlestar Galactica, which was most definitely not written for 8 year olds? Anyway....

....now that's a cliffhanger!

It one once I think, for the first season Moffat two parter, and it's nominated for three episodes this year(School Reunion, Girl in the Fireplace, and The two part season finale)

[Afny]

Can someone explain Saxon and stuff to me? I didn't see any of Torchwood...did the master go back in time and become a political figure?

[Afny]

How is it that The Master can regenerate? I thought his whole deal was that he'd used up his default allotment of regenerations and had to murder other living beings for their energy to continue existing, which was part of why he was an outlaw timelord.

Also, I was under the impression that Because he had the Doctor's hand, he somehow used his energy or essence to regenerate.

[Michael John Wheeler]

Can someone explain Saxon and stuff to me? I didn't see any of Torchwood...did the master go back in time and become a political figure?

It wasn't in Torchwood. Throughout the third season (and a couple times before), Mr. Saxon has been appearing in the background as a politician. He sent a few aides to warn Martha's parents about the Doctor.

[artimoff]

How is it that The Master can regenerate? I thought his whole deal was that he'd used up his default allotment of regenerations and had to murder other living beings for their energy to continue existing, which was part of why he was an outlaw timelord.

In the episode "the Five Doctors" the high councel gave the master 12 new regenerations if he helped the Doctor help Omega.

[Pia Guerra]

I'm wondering if they didn't have access to the Torchwood set for some reason or another.

The Hub and the TARDIS interiors are set right next to each other on the same soundstage so probably not.

[tom daylight]

Technically they're not allowed to stick Torchwood stuff in Doctor Who, although they blatantly stuck a few things in (the hand jar - although the hand was from DW, the jar was from Torchwood - Captain Jack's new status and location, and a few riffs from the theme tune).

[joespam]

Also, I was under the impression that Because he had the Doctor's hand, he somehow used his energy or essence to regenerate.I checked his Wikipedia entry and it seems to be as yet unexplained. Your theory is as good as any.

[Colin Boylan]

I checked his Wikipedia entry and it seems to be as yet unexplained. Your theory is as good as any.Plus Utopia was only part one of three so they have plenty of time for explanations.

[Ben Weldon]

http://www.votesaxon.co.uk/index.shtml

[Yannick_B]

I really hope next week's episode is like straight minutes of Saxon during the last two years of Doctor Who arranging his rise to power.

[Dark Sasha]

I really hope next week's episode is like straight minutes of Saxon during the last two years of Doctor Who arranging his rise to power.

With Dolly Parton in the background.

[Afny]

With Dolly Parton in the background.

And then next season, there will be a big reveal that Dolly Parton is the Valeyard, and there will be ANOTHER episode showing her rise to power.

[Dark Sasha]

And then next season, there will be a big reveal that Dolly Parton is the Valeyard, and there will be ANOTHER episode showing her rise to power.

Dolly Parton should be the next doctor.

[GelfXIII]

Dolly Parton should be the next doctor.

Your FACE should be the next Doctor!


Oh, wait... it has been already, hasn't it? Sorry, my bad ;)

[joespam]

In the episode "the Five Doctors" the high councel gave the master 12 new regenerations if he helped the Doctor help Omega.Ah. Thanks!

[Dark Sasha]

Your FACE should be the next Doctor!


Oh, wait... it has been already, hasn't it? Sorry, my bad ;)

She would do a great job.

[Roger]

wow...just watched it.
this season has been incredible.
could be the best season so far

[Yannick_B]

With Dolly Parton in the background.

Singing "Islands in the timestream" with The Gambler. Not Kenny Rogers, the Time Lord.

[WinterRose]

Essential Master Viewing:

The Daemons (Doctor #3 Period) - Roger Delgado as The Master on earth.

The Deadly Assassin: (Doctor #4 Period) - The Master, at the end of his regenerative cycle erupts chaos on Gallifrey.

The Keeper of Trakken (Doctor #4 Period): The Master, still at the end of his regenerative cycle attempts a daring plan to regenerate himself.

Logopolis & Castrovalva (Doctor 4 & 5) The Master attempts to revenge himself on The Doctor.

The Five Doctors (Doctor 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1): The Master fails in his mission for the high council of gallifrey, and does not get a new regenerative cycle.

Timeflight (Doctor 5) To say anything would be telling.

The Planet of Fire: (Doctor 5) The Master meets someone he can't mentally dominate. Crackle Crackle Crackle. Suffers a small dilemma...

Mark of the Rani (Doctor 6) Luddites!

Trial of a Time Lord (Part 4): Another Gallifrey story.

Doctor Who: Millennium: (Doctor 8) The Fox Movie.

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Concerning how he lost his tardis, the master probably lost it at some point before being remanded into the Doctor's custody in Doctor Who: Millennium to be conveyed to a place to stand trial for his crimes against all of lifekind. (See his attempt to murder the universe in 'Logopolis')

The Master failed in his mission in The 5 Doctors, and was not given a new regenerative cycle by the High Council.

[Prime]

Essential Master Viewing:


Logopolis & Castrovalva (Doctor 4 & 5) The Master attempts to revenge himself on The Doctor.


After all the talk of the master recently,

I got a hold of logopolis yesterday and started watching the first 2/3 parts. (i was a bit tired to watch the whole thing)

This was the first I had watched the "classic" series since the new one came back, and maybe it's just me but I found it to be a bit bland.

half the time I couldn't understand what Baker was saying, he just seemed to say his techno babble as quickly as he could.

the little assistant chappy with the floppy hair was very annoying. and the most excitring part seemed to be the master's tardis changing into a pillar, or a bush.

I'll watch the end of the story tonight. but I was a bit dissapoitned.

[Yannick_B]

Logopolis gets rated by fans for having a moody atmosphere and being the last 4th Doctor story but its very dry and unengaging.
I have to say the last scene was one of my key Master scenes:

After falling the radio telescope, the Doctor dies, surrounded by his companions while the Master....CACKLES LIKE AN ASSHOLE AND LEAVES IN HIS TARDIS...the first time you see this you just think "wow, what a douche".

A really good one is the Third Doctor's Terror Of The Autons, the first Master story and it uses the Autons, from the first episode of the new series. You get (awesome) stuff in there you cant believe was on TV and meant for children at the time.

The BBC is reissueing classic stories to get new fans into Who, maybe you want to start here:

* The Five Doctors (not that great but seeing 5 Doctors in the same episode pushes my nerd button)
* Genesis of the Daleks (4th Doctor, Gets a bit long sometimes, but awesome)
* Spearhead from Space (Gets again a bit long, but alright, first 3rd Doctor and Autons story)
* Earthshock (5h Doctor, shocking twist for the time)
* Remembrance of the Daleks (Enormous bodycount for a children's show. Rather bleak but not that exciting)
* The TV Movie (Not the best but Paul McGann is a lot of fun as the 8th Doctor)
* The Hand of Fear (GREAT 4th Doctor story and the last Sarah Jane story goes from quarries to Nuclear plants to fucking outer space in 4 episodes)
* Revelation of the Daleks (Have not seen, sadly)

[Foolish Mortal]

I finally got around to watching this. I liked it very much.

Always a pleasure to see Derek Jacobi as he's good in everything he does.

Isn't it weird that after trillions of years of existence, human technology doesn't seem to get past a certain level? You would think if humans had made it that far, they'd be at the level of Time Lords or beyond that by now.

Humanity seems to get screwed over by the universe time and again. But yet they survive, so I guess that says something.

Captain Jack is back. As usual he's equal parts annoying, and sad and compelling.

I liked Chantho. I was sad to see her die. :(

And yes, The Master is back suckas!

I pretty much figured back when the Face of Bo said that the Doctor wasn't alone, he was talking about the Master.

And yes, at first when I saw the watch, I was thinking that maybe the Professor was a future incarnation of the Doctor. I wasn't expecting the Master to turn up here. But good surprise.

What I think will happen now is the Doctor will fiddle with Jack's time-jumping-watch to follow the Master.

[tom daylight]

Well, humanity apparently evolved through gaseous and downloaded forms, so perhaps it lost that knowledge somewhere down the line.

[Yannick_B]

Or its possible that they were down to a mix of crap tech (ours) and more futuretech (like the gravity pulse).

I dont know if they survive though, the Master pulls out a disk out of what is a Navigational System before going "Utopia! Hah!" so I think the Master destroyed the remains of humanity.