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Dermie
05-17-2007, 06:23 PM
Gyrich referring to the Initiative as the "superhuman armed forces" got me thinking. The regular American armed forces have the "don't ask, don't tell" rule applying to gay troops. So that made me wonder about the status of gay superheroes in the Initiative.

The SHRA applies to anyone in the U.S. with superhuman powers, so obviously sexual orientation wouldn't have any impact on registration. But what about the heroes serving in the Initiative? They seem to be basing themselves on an Avengers template, and the Avengers have never discriminated based on sexual identity (at least in theory...although to date there has never been an openly gay Avenger serving on the active roster; both of the currently known gay Avengers came out of the closet years after leaving active duty). But Camp Hammond tends to be run more like a military base than an Avengers team. I can't imagine the government would bar openly gay superheroes from serving in the Initiative...but just like the recruits are not allowed to reveal their secret ids, might they not be allowed to discuss their sexuality?

We've already seen the recruits in group showers, etc. I would like to think that adults who are mature enough to take on the responsibility of becoming superheroes would be mature enough to handle group showers....but I could easily see someone like USAgent getting uncomfortable about showering with Living Lightning or Northstar.

We've already seen a few gay heroes in the Initiative--Wiccan and Hulkling have been seen at Camp Hammond, and Living Lightning is on one of the 50 States teams. And the sexualities of Gauntlet, Trauma and Komodo have not yet been revealed (I'm assuming Hardball is straight, given his flirting with Thor Girl, and Cloud 9 looked like she might have had a bit of a crush on MVP). Just given the military feel of the Initiative, and the volatile mix of personalities and backgrounds with all those different heroes (and a few villains too), I wonder if this could be an issue?

Edward J. Cunningham
05-17-2007, 07:16 PM
One of the arguments against open homosexuals in the military seems to be that soldiers having romantic relationships with comrades would undermine morale and reduce the army's effectiveness in combat. If that's the case, what about the women fighting alongside the men?

Dermie
05-17-2007, 08:28 PM
One of the arguments against open homosexuals in the military seems to be that soldiers having romantic relationships with comrades would undermine morale and reduce the army's effectiveness in combat. If that's the case, what about the women fighting alongside the men?

Yeah, that doesn't really make much sense, does it? I dont think possible relationships are the only thing they're worried about though--I think they believe having gay soliders would be a 'distraction' to their teammates (ie, with all the living, sleeping, showering, etc together in close quarters, will the straight guys get freaked out "is he checking out my ass", etc). But I don't want to turn this too much into a discussion of the real world "don't ask, don't tell" policy...

On the plus side for gays and lesbians in the Initiative, SHIELD apparently plays a big part in running the Initiative, and SHIELD doesn't have any kind of anti-gay policy (according to Nick Fury, from some issue of HULK from several years ago).

John Gleason
05-17-2007, 10:10 PM
It's an interesting topic to think about, and I wouldn't mind seeing it explored in the future. It just matters how different SHIELD regulation is from that of the military.

Edward J. Cunningham
05-18-2007, 01:55 AM
Of course a few years ago, we saw a prison for supervillains in She-Hulk that housed both male and female inmates in the same facility. While it is possible the army might let male and female soldiers fight side by side, there's no way in hell we will EVER see that type of prison in real life.

Eddie Cunningham

tom daylight
05-18-2007, 02:47 AM
Of course a few years ago, we saw a prison for supervillains in She-Hulk that housed both male and female inmates in the same facility. While it is possible the army might let male and female soldiers fight side by side, there's no way in hell we will EVER see that type of prison in real life.

Speak for yourself:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/4331915.stm

Edward J. Cunningham
05-18-2007, 01:43 PM
Speak for yourself:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/4331915.stm

Still, I strongly suspect that the prisoners are segregated by sex within the facility, if only to protect the female inmates.

Crimson
05-19-2007, 04:21 AM
Speak for yourself:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/4331915.stm

LOL

Women inmates will do all the cooking at Britain's first purpose-built mixed prison, the visitors were told.

Prison chiefs fear male inmates would "adulterate" food intended for female prisoners if they were let loose in the kitchen at Peterborough jail.

Prison director Mike Conway said: "Whenever we have prisoners operating in kitchens and there is a risk of adulterating food, we carry out a risk assessment.

"It was far more likely that males would adulterate food going to the female side than vice versa.

"It also provides a good opportunity for female prisoners to get NVQs in catering."

Mr Conway did not elaborate on what substances male inmates would use to adulterate the women's food.

Thanks for that man, I hadn't read that report on the prison.