Whatever happened to those nu metal artists!?

[JackBauer]

Limp Bizkit don't even have a real homepage anymore (www.limpbizkit.com)
They were so big when I was younger und now they disappeared, whatever happended to them? I've heard that Fred Durst is directing shitty movies now and DJ Lethal is producing an album for one of the American Idol guys, is that true?
And whatever happened to Kid Rock? His albums aren't even released in Europe anymore, what is he up to?

Not that I miss these guys but it's really strange that they sold millions of records not so many years ago and now they are all gone.

[WillieLee]

The popularity of nu-metal was driven by a payola scam. So once that went away, so did most of the bands.

[SAVETHEB]

limp bizkit's last album (it came out in 2005) actually wasnt half bad. their best next to significant other. wes, the guitar player has his own band (black light burns, they fucking rule) now since he quit LB again.

i used to be a die hard fucking limp bizkit fan. they we're literally all i listened to for about a year-2001, to be exact. fred durst is a fucking tool though. he always was, always will be.



and now, im off to smoke some weed in my garage

[pornbot2.5]

Fred Durst's hacked cell phone video killed nu-metal.

[half guard]

the fact that nu-metal as a genre sucked donkey dick killed nu-metal.

fixed that for you.

[Meteornotes]

Almost no bands have staying power any more. I think it has a lot to do with bands being pushed because someone sees a marketing opportunity, not because they have a spectacular amount of talent or anything.

dt

[frzamonkey]

mudvayne came from the nu-metal scene and thy have evolved into a pretty great prog-ish metal band. static-x's new cd is pretty rockin too. and slipknot still sells cds.

[bairdduvessa]

korn and deftones are still around. allthough the tones seem to be more etheral now

[nick maynard]

Almost no bands have staying power any more. I think it has a lot to do with bands being pushed because someone sees a marketing opportunity, not because they have a spectacular amount of talent or anything.

dt

this is not a current thing. it's been true the whole time.

[DaGetHighKnight]

this is not a current thing. it's been true the whole time.

Not Totally true, A band these days has one shot at a good record or their done...back in the day they had at least a 2-3 record deal

[artimoff]

Linkin Park is on SNL tonight.

[DaveCummings]

Linkin Park is on SNL tonight.

I don't think I'd call Linkin Park "nu metal". Yeah, they have the rap element that alot of nu metal acts have, but they don't use the downtuned guitars and other elements that would make it nu metal.

Alot of the numetal acts that are still popular today because they adapted thier music. Korn today doesn't sound like the Korn of 98.

But then again, there are alot of bands I think people try to group into the numetal "label" because they had a heavy sound about the time numetal was popular. Bands like Mudvayne, System of a Down, Static-x, or Fear Factory, I don't consider "nu-metal".

[Ryudo]

I fucking hate sub-genres.

That having been said, everyone has tried to change their sound. Limp Bizkit did it, Korn has sort of done it, the Deftones continually evolve their sound (they are a very good band IMO), and Linkin Park has tried to go towards more mainstream rock. Korn continues to be successful, as do the Deftones, and we'll see whether LP's new sound clicks with fans (although having heard it, I think it will).

[Meteornotes]

this is not a current thing. it's been true the whole time.

Actually, it is somewhat new. The record industry used to work like this: sign a band that shows some promise, develop their sound, produce an album, send the band out on tour, do another album, more touring, repeat the process until the band breaks and then live off the back catalog royalties.

Now it works something like this: sign band if all the members are good looking and under age 25 OR put together band of good looking but not necessarily talented people, bring in outside writers and musicians to make the record, throw it out on the market, if it doesn't become a huge hit, drop the bad from the label.

Yeah, sure, there are exceptions and all, but the main thing is the record labels used to be run by musicians, or people that lived for music. Now they're all owned and operated by people and companies with many different interests, and they equate music to just another product to market and sell, like soap.

Bands used to get the chance to craft their sound. Now they get one shot. Maybe two if they're really, really lucky. Then it's back to working at the gas station or whatever. And the Big 5 labels keep wondering why they're not selling as many CDs as they used to...

dt

[Masculine Todd]

---NOTE: This is just my opinion---

It died. Thank god.

Firstly, like many entertainment mediums, the music industry is cyclical and fueled by fads. Nu-Metal came at at time when passive-aggressive Alternative Rock and Post-Grunge ruled the rock airwaves. It was fast, loud, hostile, and blended elements of rap, which is perennially cool with the kids. Gone were the radio-friendly, soccer mom approved soft and alt rock songs about breakups and "life."

However, Nu-Metal was terrible. The lyrical content was hardly diverse, with songs gravitating toward either being "fucked up" (the cool way of saying "depressed"), coming from a "broken home" with wicked parents, having a dark mind, break-ups or trying to get laid. Musically, each song was defined by an almost drowning bass line and drums that didn't have to fit any melodic structure as long as they were super loud. Most of the songs from various bands sounded extremely complacent and interchangeable. I grew up in this era. I got sucked in to Staind, P.O.D., Korn, Linkin Park, Disturbed, Sevendust, Crazy Town, ect. Then I found myself growing up and realizing these guys just cater to the young-aggressive male demographic. It's rather lame.

Honestly, Ozzfests are littered with this shit, so if you're feeling nostalgic, score some tickets.

[Ryudo]

I never found Linkin Park to be "nu metal" (and like I said I hate terms like that).

But again, my opinion.

Staind tried to be "nu metal" and then progressively got lighter and more radio-friendly.

[moonspider]

spread for fred

[dave g]

I think it's just a matter of "nu metal" being replaced by emo (I hate the word emo but it's appropriate for this) rock. Stuff like My chemical romance and Fallout boy and shit like that has taken over.

[Masculine Todd]

I think it's just a matter of "nu metal" being replaced by emo (I hate the word emo but it's appropriate for this) rock. Stuff like My chemical romance and Fallout boy and shit like that has taken over.

It isn't just POP-PUNK that has taken over the airwaves, but that passive-aggressive, soccer-mom approved Alternative Rock is also dominating the airwaves.

For every Panic! at the Disco, there's a Nickelback. For every Hellogoodbye, there's a Daughtry.

While I've waited quite some time to see my scene hit the mainstream, I'm a little disappointed with what is representing Pop-Punk on MTV and Pop Radio. It isn't fair our top representatives are Panic! and Yellowcard. Bands like Halifax, Crash Romeo, and The Almost should be conveying the spirit and tenacity of pop-punk to the masses.

[Ryudo]

Again with the subgenres.

And for the record, I haven't heard a new single from Yellowcard in a while. Maybe I haven't been paying attention, though.

[JackBauer]

So what happened to Kid Rock, after Pam left him? Is he still making music? Still misbehavin', finger in the air and the flag still wavin'?

[Ryudo]

So what happened to Kid Rock, after Pam left him? Is he still making music? Still misbehavin', finger in the air and the flag still wavin'?

...

[Masculine Todd]

Again with the subgenres.

And for the record, I haven't heard a new single from Yellowcard in a while. Maybe I haven't been paying attention, though.


Yes, again with the subgenres. They're a very real facet of the music industry and thank god, because if we didn't have them, "Rock" would be VERY broad. They truly help music-goers to narrow down the sound and bands they want to research and get more of.

[Ryudo]

Yes, again with the subgenres. They're a very real facet of the music industry and thank god, because if we didn't have them, "Rock" would be VERY broad. They truly help music-goers to narrow down the sound and bands they want to research and get more of.

Oh, joy. I look forward to the day when I can find my favorite pop-trip-hop-emo-hardcore-trance-blues-punk-rock artist too! :roll:

I feel quite comfortable with Pop, Rock, Alternative, Metal, Punk, Hip-Hop, R&B, Jazz, etc, without having to add additional prefixes and/or adjectives.

Maybe I'm ignorant or something, but that's just how I feel about it.

[The Nature Roy]

Oh, joy. I look forward to the day when I can find my favorite pop-trip-hop-emo-hardcore-trance-blues-punk-rock artist too! :roll:

I feel quite comfortable with Pop, Rock, Alternative, Metal, Punk, Hip-Hop, R&B, Jazz, etc, without having to add additional prefixes and/or adjectives.

Maybe I'm ignorant or something, but that's just how I feel about it.

Then you end up categorizing Carcass and Dream Theater or Allan Holdsworth and Duke Ellington into the same groups, and that's really not helpful at all to fans of one but not the other seeking other semi-similar artists.

[Masculine Todd]

Then you end up categorizing Carcass and Dream Theater or Allan Holdsworth and Duke Ellington into the same groups, and that's really not helpful at all to fans of one but not the other seeking other semi-similar artists.

Exactly. I'm not one to be handed my music. I research and seek out new stuff, whether it be on the internet, going to local shows, playing local shows, or searching for small radio stations that cater to my kind of tastes. If we didn't have sub-genres, then it would be a long, arduous processes to wade through all the "Rock" stations to find the one I like, or all the bands in the "Rock" section of Napster. It gets confusing when The New Pornographers and Hinder are in the same category.


Oh, joy. I look forward to the day when I can find my favorite pop-trip-hop-emo-hardcore-trance-blues-punk-rock artist too!

I feel quite comfortable with Pop, Rock, Alternative, Metal, Punk, Hip-Hop, R&B, Jazz, etc, without having to add additional prefixes and/or adjectives.

Maybe I'm ignorant or something, but that's just how I feel about it.

Alternative is a subgenre of rock, hence why the label Alternative is usually accompanied with the word "Rock." Furthermore, these genres are much too confining to the broad spectrum of unique sounds and music their is. It doesn't do a band like The Mars Volta, Alexisonfire, or Belle & Sebastian justice to simply call them "Rock" or "Metal" or "Punk" when they're amalgams of various sounds that form to create something innovative.

Hardcore is a genre that includes such luminaries as Black Flag and Minor Threat. Post-Hardcore is comprised of bands such as Senses Fail and Gatsbys American Dream. While Post-Hardcore does encompass many characteristics of Hardcore, it's also comprised of Pop-Punk, Grindcore, and Ska influences. By eliminating sub-genres, you are effectively making the argument that their is hardly enough variances in bands like Black Flag from bands like Senses Fail to make a distinction, and they should be lumped together.

[bobinskil]

The only thing Deftnoes really had in common with those lame ass bands was the rapping. They passed those pathetic bands long ago. In fact, "Adrenaline" was 10x's better than ant of the other bands' albums. You could tell where they were heading just from that album.

I thought Limp Bizkit was the shit when I was 13. Their second album wasn't as heavy so I stopped listening.

What happens to these bands is that the teenagers who listened to them aren't teenagers anymore. So they have pretty much no audience left. Instead we have bisexual, tight pants wearing, emo nerds with strange looking bangs.

[Blastbeat Science]

the fact that limp bizkit got big instead of a band like e town concrete, who do the metal mixed with rap thing much better, is a testament to the general public liking shit.

[Masculine Todd]

Instead we have bisexual, tight pants wearing, emo nerds with strange looking bangs.

Thanks. :surrend:

[bobinskil]

OOOOoh man I completely forgot about E. Town Concrete.

fSCuffF the world cuz the world fSCuffF me
*riffage*
you can take me outta hard times
but you cant take hard times
outta MEEE

Oh yes. Oh yes. I'm 13 again.

Oh how I miss you, 89.5 Setons Halls PIRATE RADIOOOO

The HAAArdest ROCK in Jersey \m/:-x\m/

[Ryudo]

Instead we have bisexual, tight pants wearing, emo nerds with strange looking bangs.

The amount of lead singers of bands who look like chicks and then aren't are astounding.

[JackBauer]

...

:-?

[Ryudo]

:-?

If you seriously want to know, I'd suggest Google/Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_rock

[WillieLee]

the fact that limp bizkit got big instead of a band like e town concrete, who do the metal mixed with rap thing much better, is a testament to the general public liking shit.

If 'e town concrete' *giggle* would have become popular, would you then have considered them shit?

[JackBauer]

If you seriously want to know, I'd suggest Google/Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_rock

So he's a lame ass country singer now?:roll:

[WillieLee]

Actually, it is somewhat new. The record industry used to work like this: sign a band that shows some promise, develop their sound, produce an album, send the band out on tour, do another album, more touring, repeat the process until the band breaks and then live off the back catalog royalties.

Now it works something like this: sign band if all the members are good looking and under age 25 OR put together band of good looking but not necessarily talented people, bring in outside writers and musicians to make the record, throw it out on the market, if it doesn't become a huge hit, drop the bad from the label.

Yeah, sure, there are exceptions and all, but the main thing is the record labels used to be run by musicians, or people that lived for music. Now they're all owned and operated by people and companies with many different interests, and they equate music to just another product to market and sell, like soap.

Bands used to get the chance to craft their sound. Now they get one shot. Maybe two if they're really, really lucky. Then it's back to working at the gas station or whatever. And the Big 5 labels keep wondering why they're not selling as many CDs as they used to...

dt

I think you have a romanticized idea of how labels used to be.

[Meteornotes]

^Not really. Maybe very simplified, because I didn't feel like typing a huge post, but it's not that far off the mark, especially if you talk to anyone that worked in the music industry before the MTV days. Bands actually used to get a chance to develop a following before getting dumped from a label. Sure, there were and will always be bands that do one album and go away, but it seems to happen to bands that even have some success with their first album now.

Here's a perfect example: Rush. Their first three albums did not exactly set the world on fire. But they kept building up a following, touring, and producing 2112, and then A Farewell To Kings, getting FM radio airplay, and going on to sell millions and millions of albums. These days, they might get to their second album. If they're really, really lucky.

Maybe I'm wrong, but from all the time I spend around musicians, show promoters, and people that work in or used to work in the industry, I don't think I'm far off in saying that bands these days have a much slimmer chance of getting a sustained career than twenty years ago. That's all.

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[TheKraken]

The only nu-metal-y bands I ever really liked were Deftones, System of a Down, Nothingface and Glassjaw. I liked a song or two by Mudvayne & Slipknot. I was actually so impressed by the first 2 songs on Slipknot's debut record that I eagerly ran out & bought it before I realized they were pretty much the only songs on it I liked. :-? The bands I liked all pretty much evolved out of the genre (SoaD & Glassjaw with only their 2nd records). I never cared for Korn because of Jon Davis and I was the only person I knew in 1997 who thought Limp Bizkit sucked. :D (I do admit to thinking "Faith" was funny, but the novelty wore off 6 months before it was on the radio... by the time it was a hit I couldn't fucking stand it)

But I'll say there was a definite appeal to the sound when played by the above bands, especially the Deftones. If the genre had been built around them instead of Korn & Limp Bizkit, even the cash-in bands could've been kind of cool. I enjoyed regular dudes playing aggressive music that wasn't too dark or eeeeveeeel or whatever like a more traditional metal band. Not that I don't like traditional metal, mind you, but it was very unpretentious, accessible and fun music when played by the right people. Unfortunately, the dominance of bands with whiny, self-absorbed singers with a predilection for rapping (poorly) meant the genre would mostly spawn Papa Roach, Linkin Park, Saliva and shit like that instead of bands I could actually get behind...

[WillieLee]

I think it was only the 70s that the industry was how you described. But many labels went broke because they continued to put out albums that didn't sell and artists were allowed to push recording costs far beyond what could be recouped.

As for longevity, there are only a few bands that lasted for over 10 years. We tend to focus on the exceptions and think of it as how things used to be.

[kari]

Instead we have bisexual, tight pants wearing, emo nerds with strange looking bangs.[/

You sound like my dad.

When I was a teen it was all about hair metal..... tight pants wearing, strange looking hair, men that wore makeup.

My eldest nephew was big into the "nu metal".

and now my youngest nephew is a fan of "pop punk/emo/ whatever the hell they're calling it" :lol:

I enjoy the ever changing music scene. I hope to never be that parent that says "blah!!! turn that shit down!!! you can't understand a word of it! In my day..... yap, yap, yap."

[silverboy]

Not Totally true, A band these days has one shot at a good record or their done...back in the day they had at least a 2-3 record deal

And by good, you mean popular. Really popular--one minor hit doesn't make it anymore.

[Justin.Strange]

Not Totally true, A band these days has one shot at a good record or their done...back in the day they had at least a 2-3 record deal

Coming from college radio, I can safely say this is true. At least on the major labels. But nowadays with Purevolume, Myspace, and iTunes, bands really don't need a major label as much as they used to. You could self publish or hook up with an indie and be alright. You probably won't be sitting on spinning gold 100-spoke Daytons in the '64 Impala with shag upholstery, but with hard work you can make it..


Bands like Halifax, Crash Romeo, and The Almost should be conveying the spirit and tenacity of pop-punk to the masses.

Curious. Which band do you prefer? The Almost or Underoath?


OOOOoh man I completely forgot about E. Town Concrete.

In their defense, E Town were a great band live. Lamb of God, Hatebreed metalcore riot level energy shows.

Unpopular opinion time.

Papa Roach have quietly become one of the most improved bands in recent history with their last two albums. Getting Away With Murder and The Paramour Sessions are good fun rock records.

Limb Bizkit are a better band than people give them credit for. Three Dollar Bill Y'all was a solid album. The Unquestionable Truth EP was a bit of an identity crisis, but disarmingly decent. Durst is a tool. But I'd probably have a beer with with the guy. We boo'ed him off stage and he's pretty much exiled from Chicago. But if Fred Durst hooked up with Britney Spears only to dump her and announce that now he is officially too good for her, I must admit that'd be pretty humorous and cool.

If Limp Bizkit fired Durst, then hired somebody like Jamey Jasta to front the band, they'd probably be pretty badass.

[Lyfeforce]

It isn't just POP-PUNK that has taken over the airwaves, but that passive-aggressive, soccer-mom approved Alternative Rock is also dominating the airwaves.

For every Panic! at the Disco, there's a Nickelback. For every Hellogoodbye, there's a Daughtry.

While I've waited quite some time to see my scene hit the mainstream, I'm a little disappointed with what is representing Pop-Punk on MTV and Pop Radio. It isn't fair our top representatives are Panic! and Yellowcard. Bands like Halifax, Crash Romeo, and The Almost should be conveying the spirit and tenacity of pop-punk to the masses.

this man speaks the truth.

[Masculine Todd]

Curious. Which band do you prefer? The Almost or Underoath?

This is like asking which genital I prefer. Southern Weather is a wonderful pop punk album, and hearing Aaron Gillespie sing instead of scream is a nice change of pace. Honestly, this is smart, candid songwriting and composition that is lacking from the pop-punk that is saturating airwaves and MTV (see: Yellowcard, All American Rejects, New Found Glory, Cartel, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, ect.).

However, I have been an Underoath fan since their inception. I bought their crappy suedo-deathmetal/Christian hybrid EP from '99. I've witnessed this band's evolution and they truly are one of the greatest bands in the scene. I honestly have no preference. I love them equally for what they are.



Papa Roach have quietly become one of the most improved bands in recent history with their last two albums. Getting Away With Murder and The Paramour Sessions are good fun rock records.

I see it is exactly the opposite. Papa Roach is a chameleon band. They blend to whatever fad or trend is dominating the radio. In '00, they were aggressive rap-rock with songs about being 'fucked up' to keep in line with Limp Bizket and Korn. The next album was extremely Nu-Metal, which reflected the predominant, guaranteed platinum sellers Disturbed and Staind. '04s release was much more Alternative Rock-esque, with a straight-forward radio rock sound, reminiscent of bands like Nickleback, with a hint of pop-punk (with that emo-licious song Scars). Unless their latest release is an extremely experimental and fresh album (which I haven't heard), then I doubt they're anything that constitutes as good. Just my opinion, but these guys do nothing but ape trends, and badly at that.



Limb Bizkit are a better band than people give them credit for. Three Dollar Bill Y'all was a solid album. The Unquestionable Truth EP was a bit of an identity crisis, but disarmingly decent. Durst is a tool. But I'd probably have a beer with with the guy. We boo'ed him off stage and he's pretty much exiled from Chicago. But if Fred Durst hooked up with Britney Spears only to dump her and announce that now he is officially too good for her, I must admit that'd be pretty humorous and cool.

If Limp Bizkit fired Durst, then hired somebody like Jamey Jasta to front the band, they'd probably be pretty badass.

I don't know if you're a fan, but From First to Last, a Post-Hardcore/Screamo band (that is quite good) had Wes as their bassist all of last year and for part of this summer's Warped Tour. You should check them out; you may like them.

[Taki Soma]

Limp Bizkit don't even have a real homepage anymore (www.limpbizkit.com)
They were so big when I was younger und now they disappeared, whatever happended to them? I've heard that Fred Durst is directing shitty movies now and DJ Lethal is producing an album for one of the American Idol guys, is that true?
And whatever happened to Kid Rock? His albums aren't even released in Europe anymore, what is he up to?

Not that I miss these guys but it's really strange that they sold millions of records not so many years ago and now they are all gone.

wow, I've heard of those bands, but never heard their music or 'nu metal' that I know of.

[ClintP]

I am a fan of the nu metal for the most part. I am not sure if Hed P.E. is that genre, but I dig them alot. Favorite live show ever!

[Corey A.]

No mention of Tool makes me sad

[WillieLee]

No mention of Tool makes me sad

Wha?

[BenC (formerly Ape-X)]

However, I have been an Underoath fan since their inception. I bought their crappy suedo-deathmetal/Christian hybrid EP from '99. I've witnessed this band's evolution and they truly are one of the greatest bands in the scene. I honestly have no preference. I love them equally for what they are.


My pals in Few.Left.Standing went out on tour with Underoath in either '99 or 2000...I can't remember. They beat the shit out of them on stage with nerf bats and generally terrorized them. I remember at one of the Takehold Fests in Birmingham AL they had one of guys near tears mocking his "Marilyn Manson starter kit hair style"... They were WAY into the whole tight-jeans fashionable 'core look. Once the fest was over everything broke loose in a quasi-fight. Ah, good times! F.L.S. guitarist Bionic-J wrote a tune about it all called "BAT FIGHT".

[Corey A.]

Wha?

Tool is an American rock band, formed in 1990 in Los Angeles, California, that consists of drummer Danny Carey, bassist Justin Chancellor, guitarist Adam Jones, and singer Maynard James Keenan. :wink:

[WillieLee]

Tool is an American rock band, formed in 1990 in Los Angeles, California, that consists of drummer Danny Carey, bassist Justin Chancellor, guitarist Adam Jones, and singer Maynard James Keenan. :wink:

But this is a thread about lame nu metal bands. Tool has nothing to do with that scene. I'm so confused!

[Masculine Todd]

My pals in Few.Left.Standing went out on tour with Underoath in either '99 or 2000...I can't remember. They beat the shit out of them on stage with nerf bats and generally terrorized them. I remember at one of the Takehold Fests in Birmingham AL they had one of guys near tears mocking his "Marilyn Manson starter kit hair style"... They were WAY into the whole tight-jeans fashionable 'core look. Once the fest was over everything broke loose in a quasi-fight. Ah, good times! F.L.S. guitarist Bionic-J wrote a tune about it all called "BAT FIGHT".

:rofl:

Around that time, they were all 18 or 19, I can't see them being much of a threat.