Ray's Official DCU Megathread the 3rd: Countdown Edition - Now on Earth-OOMPH!

[Deej]

I was at that panel, too. It was great. Stayed after to get my BONER signed.:)


GROSS!!! YUCK!! PUKE! YOU ARE an Odd one...:mistrust: :mistrust:

[Matt O'Keefe]

GROSS!!! YUCK!! PUKE! YOU ARE an Odd one...:mistrust: :mistrust:

:roll::no:

[Matt O'Keefe]

You guys do realize that this thread has been open for less than two days and it's already 1/12th of the way to getting killed, right?:p

[Deej]

:roll::no:

:moon: :babble:

:ninjas:

[Ray G.]

I believe the New Corps. Was a fifth week event of five one shots that featured Kyle Rayner meeting different aliens around the universe and giving them gl rings. Don't ask what happened to those guys cause I don't know and I'm pretty sure none of them were former gls.

No, that was Circle of Fire. It sucked.

New Corps was a two-part prestige format mini about Kyle leaving Earth to travel the universe and recruit new GLs. He wound up giving the ring to a supervillain, and assembling a crazy motley crew of pseudoheroes to stop him. It was great. Unfortunately, none of them were ever seen again. :(

[Deej]

You guys do realize that this thread has been open for less than two days and it's already 1/12th of the way to getting killed, right?:p

Yeah... :Oops:

[Ray G.]

You guys do realize that this thread has been open for less than two days and it's already 1/12th of the way to getting killed, right?:p

You weren't around for the start of the first thread. We were almost as bad. :lol:

[UltimateQuintessa]

No, that was Circle of Fire. It sucked.

New Corps was a two-part prestige format mini about Kyle leaving Earth to travel the universe and recruit new GLs. He wound up giving the ring to a supervillain, and assembling a crazy motley crew of pseudoheroes to stop him. It was great. Unfortunately, none of them were ever seen again. :(

Thanks for correcting me. Back during that time I wasn't into GL that much. More of a Waid Flash fan and Morrison JLA.

[bairdduvessa]

you know what new earth i can't wait to see?
the one where the fat kid from stand by me and gimli son of gloin invent a machiene that allows them to travel to other worlds

[Matt O'Keefe]

You weren't around for the start of the first thread. We were almost as bad. :lol:

I'll be sure to keep up the momentum:)


New Goal: Dead by Countdown #32.

[Hock]

You guys do realize that this thread has been open for less than two days and it's already 1/12th of the way to getting killed, right?:p

:boogie:

Let's keep it up. At this rate we'll kill the thread before the 4th issue of countdown ships. 13 threads to get through Countdown would be awesome.

[Matt O'Keefe]

:boogie:

Let's keep it up. At this rate we'll kill the thread before the 4th issue of countdown ships. 13 threads to get through Countdown would be awesome.

12 threads, 13 is unlucky:x

[bairdduvessa]

I'll be sure to keep up the momentum:)


New Goal: Dead by Countdown #32.

i'm aiming for #10

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I just thought of this H.E.A.T. won. LOL


huh?

wha-huh?

[jamestolliver]

I've really been considering buying the complete Bone but haven't had the cash. I guess, that's what a summer job is for.

[bairdduvessa]

12 threads, 13 is unlucky:x

only to templars

[Hock]

you know what new earth i can't wait to see?
the one where the fat kid from stand by me and gimli son of gloin invent a machiene that allows them to travel to other worlds

I love that I'm not the only one who always refers to that guy as "The Fat Kid from Stand By Me."

Rock on Baird.

[Deej]

you know what new earth i can't wait to see?
the one where the fat kid from stand by me and gimli son of gloin invent a machiene that allows them to travel to other worlds

That...that...is actually dumber than Hoppy the DeadPoo!!!!!! Or whatever that was... :twisted:


I'll be sure to keep up the momentum:)


New Goal: Dead by Countdown #32.

We're lucky if we get through #12 in this thread!!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm going to review and link to the first page as well. I'm not going to go in depth with what happened in the books, Ray does a fine job of that, I'm just going to give some thoughts on what I read.

Thats my plan, too. :thumb:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Bone is awesome. Shazam is not. I keep thinking I should buy the complete Bone, but the I think I should wait until it's released in colour. I'm so conflicted.

I've considered buying the complete Bone a few times, but I already have a few of the trades and the last ten or so issues. I dislike double-dipping.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

In my Pants.

Wait.... What?

Those trix aren't for kids!

[bairdduvessa]

I love that I'm not the only one who always refers to that guy as "The Fat Kid from Stand By Me."

Rock on Baird.
:D

That...that...is actually dumber than Hoppy the DeadPoo!!!!!! Or whatever that was... :twisted:



We're lucky if we get through #12 in this thread!!

HOPPY THE MARVEL DEADPOO!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

This just reminded me of a horrible joke about homosexuals. If you're easily offended, avoid.

Silly Faggot, Dicks are for Chicks.

Hehehe. Its probably been years since I've heard that joke.

[bairdduvessa]

Hehehe. Its probably been years since I've heard that joke.

i used it a few months ago

[Matt O'Keefe]

Thats my plan, too. :thumb:

We should all probably post them in recent replies, too. Not everybody always goes back to the first page. Let's see, looking at my DCBS order, what I'm currently buying from DC is:

Countdown
Detective Comics
Justice League
Justice Society
Spirit
Whatever McKeever writes




Wow, I've really trimmed down, both DC & Marvel. For the better, though, since I'm buying trades that I enjoy a lot more.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

No, that was Circle of Fire. It sucked.

New Corps was a two-part prestige format mini about Kyle leaving Earth to travel the universe and recruit new GLs. He wound up giving the ring to a supervillain, and assembling a crazy motley crew of pseudoheroes to stop him. It was great. Unfortunately, none of them were ever seen again. :(

That sounds like fun. Who were the creative team?

[jamestolliver]

HOPPY THE MARVEL DEADPOO!

I feel like a beast has been released :scared:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

you know what new earth i can't wait to see?
the one where the fat kid from stand by me and gimli son of gloin invent a machiene that allows them to travel to other worlds

SLIDERS! Yes!

[Matt O'Keefe]

I've considered buying the complete Bone a few times, but I already have a few of the trades and the last ten or so issues. I dislike double-dipping.

I love double-dipping:ecstatic:

[bairdduvessa]

I feel like a beast has been released :scared:

oh dude you missed some fun derailments by jack and i...that is my favorite

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

That...that...is actually dumber than Hoppy the DeadPoo!!!!!! Or whatever that was... :twisted:



*slaps*

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I love that I'm not the only one who always refers to that guy as "The Fat Kid from Stand By Me."

Rock on Baird.

Shit. I refer to him as the guy from Sliders. :shrugs:

[bairdduvessa]

brendan(sp) did you get the pics i sent you last night?

[bairdduvessa]

Shit. I refer to him as the guy from Sliders. :shrugs:

the other way is funnier

[Matt O'Keefe]

HOPPY THE MARVEL DEADPOO!

I checked Google Images, didn't have a single shot of him. He's more obscure than Anarky;)

[Deej]

*slaps*

:duel:

[Ray G.]

That sounds like fun. Who were the creative team?

Chuck Dixon and a really solid artist who I can't remember. Great mini, two issues.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I feel like a beast has been released :scared:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/PacoJames/HtMDP2.jpg

[jamestolliver]

I really liked sliders :Oops:

[bairdduvessa]

I checked Google Images, didn't have a single shot of him. He's more obscure than Anarky;)

ug they are on my lj, let me see if i can find them

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

oh dude you missed some fun derailments by jack and i...that is my favorite

Indeed, my friend. In-deed.

[Ray G.]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/PacoJames/HtMDP2.jpg

Shh!

If you post the unholy art and say his name three times, he'll appear! :scared:

[Matt O'Keefe]

Shh!

If you post the unholy art and say his name three times, he'll appear! :scared:

Never worked for Anarky or Outburst, won't work here:p

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

brendan(sp) did you get the pics i sent you last night?

I shall forgive your spelling skills since, well, they're atrocious on a good day. Brandon

And anyhoo, shit, I completely forgot you sent me a PM. I was completely fuster-clucked when I got it. But anyway: :thumb:

[jamestolliver]

Indeed, my friend. In-deed.

well, here's to new and more spectacular derailments :beer:

[bairdduvessa]

here

http://pics.livejournal.com/bairdduvessa/pic/000313e3http://pics.livejournal.com/bairdduvessa/pic/000328wb
Shh!

If you post the unholy art and say his name three times, he'll appear! :scared:

who?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

the other way is funnier

Well, yeah. However, I've watched Sliders more often that I have Stand by Me. The former is a kickass, fun-loving sci-fi show. The other is one kickass heartwarming loveable tale by none other than Stephen King.

[bairdduvessa]

I shall forgive your spelling skills since, well, they're atrocious on a good day. Brandon

And anyhoo, shit, I completely forgot you sent me a PM. I was completely fuster-clucked when I got it. But anyway: :thumb:
sorry i'm half dead. thanks man!

well, here's to new and more spectacular derailments :beer:

oh there will be
(another one of my favorite wAS WHEN I TOOK THE LUMBERJACK SONG AND HAD SUPERMAN SING IT...)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Chuck Dixon and a really solid artist who I can't remember. Great mini, two issues.

I'll have to keep this is mind in case I ever stumble across it.

[bairdduvessa]

Well, yeah. However, I've watched Sliders more often that I have Stand by Me. The former is a kickass, fun-loving sci-fi show. The other is one kickass heartwarming loveable tale by none other than Stephen King.

i've only seen stand by me like 3 times....i loved sliders until they killed off indy's friend

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I really liked sliders :Oops:

preach on, brotha!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

well, here's to new and more spectacular derailments :beer:

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[John Drake]

Shh!

If you post the unholy art and say his name three times, he'll appear! :scared:

Oh god, that looks like a dart.

[Hock]

I love double-dipping:ecstatic:

I love double-pene.... Wait a minute, we aren't talking about the same thing, are we?

[bairdduvessa]

i still wanna know who ray is afraid of summoning

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

here

http://pics.livejournal.com/bairdduvessa/pic/000313e3http://pics.livejournal.com/bairdduvessa/pic/000328wb

who?

Dammit, Baird, I already posted pics. :twisted:

[bairdduvessa]

Dammit, Baird, I already posted pics. :twisted:

woops. oh well the world needs more deadpoo

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

i've only seen stand by me like 3 times....i loved sliders until they killed off indy's friend

The first few seasons of that show were awesome. Once they brought in his brother, though, it went downhill pretty quick.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

i still wanna know who ray is afraid of summoning

HtMD


or Gail.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

woops. oh well the world needs more deadpoo

Truer words were never spoken.

[bairdduvessa]

HtMD


or Gail.

ah. i wish i could remember where in ray's 1st thread that whole senario was created, i wonder if the new guy would enjoy it

[bairdduvessa]

Truer words were never spoken.

lol deadpoo


i think it's time to go get ready for bed. brb

[Ray G.]

ah. i wish i could remember where in ray's 1st thread that whole senario was created, i wonder if the new guy would enjoy it

I think it was concieved early in the second thread. Just search "Deadpoo".

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

ah. i wish i could remember where in ray's 1st thread that whole senario was created, i wonder if the new guy would enjoy it

the HtMD stuff or the Gail mirror stuff?

Both were golden. But I have no idea where in those threads they are...

[Hock]

I really liked sliders :Oops:

The first few seasons were good, I thought.

That Fat Kid from Stand by Me is a halfway decent actor.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

lol deadpoo


i think it's time to go get ready for bed. brb

Brb to me, too.

[Hock]

HtMD


or Gail.

HtMD?

EDIT: NEver mind, Hoppy. I got it.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

The first few seasons were good, I thought.

That Fat Kid from Stand by Me is a halfway decent actor.

He's brilliant, goddammit.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Back to studying. Night all.:wave:

[Deej]

i still wanna know who ray is afraid of summoning

Dan Didio.

[Deej]

He's brilliant, goddammit.

Jerry O'Connell???? Wasn't he in the movie where they kidnap a kangaroo who then beats his ass???

[bairdduvessa]

I think it was concieved early in the second thread. Just search "Deadpoo".

i think it was late in the first thread. and well deadpoo has been said so much that it is gonna take forever to find

[bairdduvessa]

Back to studying. Night all.:wave:
night!

Jerry O'Connell???? Wasn't he in the movie where they kidnap a kangaroo who then beats his ass???

kangaroo jack!



...i never saw it :cry:

[Deej]

OK...assuming Superman is the most powerful hero in the DCU...what is the rest of the Top 5???

Captain Marvel
Wonder Woman
J'onn J'onzz
Green Lantern

????

[bairdduvessa]

OK...assuming Superman is the most powerful hero in the DCU...what is the rest of the Top 5???

Captain Marvel
Wonder Woman
J'onn J'onzz
Green Lantern

????

hoppy

[John Drake]

Green Lantern? Most powerful?


Um, Power Girl?

[Hock]

Jerry O'Connell???? Wasn't he in the movie where they kidnap a kangaroo who then beats his ass???

He was. And he was brilliatn.

Okay, not so much, but he needed cash.

[Deej]

Green Lantern? Most powerful?


Um, Power Girl?

Isn't the ring considered one of the most powerful weapons in the universe??

[Deej]

He was. And he was brilliatn.

Okay, not so much, but he needed cash.

Did he ever marry Rebecca Romaine-Stamos??? And I know that's not how her name is spelled...phonetically its correct though! And I just put the Stamos on for shits and giggles.

[bairdduvessa]

Did he ever marry Rebecca Romaine-Stamos??? And I know that's not how her name is spelled...phonetically its correct though! And I just put the Stamos on for shits and giggles.

hehe shits
http://pics.livejournal.com/bairdduvessa/pic/000328wb

[Ray G.]

The proper ranking:

1. Ion(He's basically a god now. Everyone else is on a different level.)
2. Captain Marvel(Superman's powers, plus magic.)
3. Superman(The ultimate battle powerhouse)
4. Martian Manhunter(Superman-level strength, but not as invincible. Mind powers give him a serious boost.)
5. Supergirl(Tons of pure strength and speed, but her inexperience makes her prone to slip-ups.)
6. Hal Jordan(His focus with the ring makes him the easy champ out of the standard GLs.)
7. Power Girl(A lower-powered kryptonian. Not up to par with Superman or Supergirl.)
8. Wonder Woman(She's a warrior, but I have seen nothing to imply her actual power level is that high.)

[Deej]

The proper ranking:

1. Ion(He's basically a god now. Everyone else is on a different level.)


So Kyle still has all of his god-like powers??? damn...that doesn't seem to bode too well for Kyle during Countdown.

[bairdduvessa]

So Kyle still has all of his god-like powers??? damn...that doesn't seem to bode too well for Kyle during Countdown.

maybe its a countdown to all those bitches admitting kyle rules

[Ray G.]

So Kyle still has all of his god-like powers??? damn...that doesn't seem to bode too well for Kyle during Countdown.

They're toned down from what they were in Winick's run. I doubt he has the control over human biology that he did there. However, he's far above the level of any normal GL. He can reanimate the dead, cause supernovas, etc. And his battery is internalized and never runs out. He clearly outclasses just about anyone in the DCU in pure power potential. That being said, he'd likely get his ass kicked by anyone on this list short of Supergirl, because he'd be busy trying to talk them out of the fight and making wisecracks rather than tapping into his well of power and taking them out.

[Vonn Hennigar]

The lack of Spectre on that list is shameful :nonono2:

[bairdduvessa]

The lack of Spectre on that list is shameful :nonono2:

also phantom stranger and plastic man

[Ray G.]

The lack of Spectre on that list is shameful :nonono2:

I don't think you can put him there. He's not a superhero in the traditional sense, he's bound by a lot of strange rules that preclude him from getting into the traditional hero bouts, and he's more a force of nature. I left off anyone but the costumed heroes. A list of most powerful characters in the DCU, he and Darkseid are probably 1/2.

[bairdduvessa]

Ok Guys I'm Going To Bed Tied For Second-i Expect I Will Be In 5th Or 6th Place When I Wake Up

[Ray G.]

also phantom stranger and plastic man

Plastic Man is extremely unique in the DCU, and probably one of the most resistant and invincible heroes, but all he would do in a fight against any of these 8 is to get bounced around and annoy them as they wonder why he won't stay down. Kyle and Kyle alone could take him out.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Zatanna.
Flash.
Aquaman.

Three more solid Top 10 Candidates. If Aquaman can still affect everyone's brain or whatever the fuck Grant Morrison was babbling about during his first JLA Arc.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Plastic Man is extremely unique in the DCU, and probably one of the most resistant and invincible heroes, but all he would do in a fight against any of these 8 is to get bounced around and annoy them as they wonder why he won't stay down. Kyle and Kyle alone could take him out.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Elongated.png

[Ray G.]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Elongated.png

Elongated man is much closer to the Reed Richards of the DCU. The wacky genius with the stretchy powers and the incredibly understanding wife.

Plastic Man is gleeful absurdist Id come to life. And he barely stretches. He shapeshifts.

[Ray G.]

Zatanna.
Flash.
Aquaman.

Three more solid Top 10 Candidates. If Aquaman can still affect everyone's brain or whatever the fuck Grant Morrison was babbling about during his first JLA Arc.

Zatanna - most of these guys could take out a frail chick in fishnets before she could get one backwards word out.

Flash and Aquaman are probably 9 and 10.

[Deej]

Ok Guys I'm Going To Bed Tied For Second-i Expect I Will Be In 5th Or 6th Place When I Wake Up

post WHORE!

[Deej]

Elongated man is much closer to the Reed Richards of the DCU. The wacky genius with the stretchy powers and the incredibly understanding wife.

Plastic Man is gleeful absurdist Id come to life. And he barely stretches. He shapeshifts.

he's not a genius...he's a detective.

[Ray G.]

he's not a genius...he's a detective.

He's a genius of detecting.

[Deej]

Zatanna - most of these guys could take out a frail chick in fishnets before she could get one backwards word out.

Flash and Aquaman are probably 9 and 10.

Aquaman is nowhere near the top 10.

Firestorm, Captain Atom, Metamorpho are all more powerful then him. Aquaman can't control minds...he can suggest things...push them a little.

[Hock]

Zatanna.
Flash.
Aquaman.

Three more solid Top 10 Candidates. If Aquaman can still affect everyone's brain or whatever the fuck Grant Morrison was babbling about during his first JLA Arc.

Zaranna - Yes
Flash - Hell Yes
Aquaman? - :nonono2:

[Hock]

He's a genius of detecting.

RIght up there with Batman and Detective Chimp.

[Ray G.]

Zaranna - Yes
Flash - Hell Yes
Aquaman? - :nonono2:

Although we seem to be going by characters who are currently in the DCU, and the Bart Allen Flash is not in the top ten. Way too green.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Jerry O'Connell???? Wasn't he in the movie where they kidnap a kangaroo who then beats his ass???

In my mind, that movie never existed.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

The lack of Spectre on that list is shameful :nonono2:

Ha, I was just thinking the same thing.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Ok Guys I'm Going To Bed Tied For Second-i Expect I Will Be In 5th Or 6th Place When I Wake Up

:wave:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

post WHORE!

WHORE!

:twisted:

[Deej]

WHORE!

:twisted:

I hope you step in Hoppy the DeadPOO!!

[Hock]

Although we seem to be going by characters who are currently in the DCU, and the Bart Allen Flash is not in the top ten. Way too green.

Aquaman is in the current DCU and considered top Ten?

[Ray G.]

Aquaman is in the current DCU and considered top Ten?

Actually, no. Neither Flash nor Aquaman belong there right now. I was thinking of Wally West and Orin.

[Hock]

Actually, no. Neither Flash nor Aquaman belong there right now. I was thinking of Wally West and Orin.

Wally yes, Barry, Hell fucking yes, Orin. NOOOOOOO.

[Hock]

http://www.lilformers.com/IMGScomic/LF0007.jpg

[Ray G.]

http://www.lilformers.com/IMGScomic/LF0007.jpg

Fear the might of Red X!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

http://www.lilformers.com/IMGScomic/LF0007.jpg

http://www.lilformers.com/Goodies/Avatars/Sideswipe.gif

[Hock]

Fear the might of Red X!

??? You quote what I say, and instead of taking a look at the url in the quote, you make a flippant remark.

:nonono2:

[Matt O'Keefe]

He's a genius of detecting.

I never liked it when people call Bruce a genius. He's gifted, but that's it IMO. He's not on par with Mr. Terrific or Lex Luthor, as people have tried to say.

[THAT Sean!]

Did you guys catch this?

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004502347.cfm

[Hock]

http://www.lilformers.com/Goodies/Avatars/Sideswipe.gif

http://www.lilformers.com/Goodies/Avatars/Bumblebee.gif

[Ray G.]

Did you guys catch this?

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004502347.cfm

I buy Wizard. :D

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

http://www.lilformers.com/Goodies/Avatars/Bumblebee.gif

http://www.lilformers.com/IMGScomic/LF0040.jpg

[Ray G.]

Quoting or no quoting, I have no clue what's going on here. :?

[Matt O'Keefe]

I buy Wizard. :D

Bastard. You're what's ruining the industry.:x





I do, too:Oops:

[Hock]

Did you guys catch this?

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004502347.cfm

Is this the only picture of you in existence or something?
http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/004502/Sean%20McKeever%20copy.gif


I buy Wizard. :D

I save my money. :D

[Hock]

Quoting or no quoting, I have no clue what's going on here. :?

http://www.lilformers.com

[THAT Sean!]

I gots more pictures up on myspace...including my Senior photo!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I save my money. :D

Me, too. Wizard is evil.

[THAT Sean!]

Wizard started comping me, so yay. :D

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

http://www.lilformers.com

Join the revolution.

[Hock]

This is the link to the one I originally posted in response to Aquaman.

http://www.lilformers.com/comic0007.php

[Matt O'Keefe]

Wizard started comping me, so yay. :D

They spent the whole review of SM:heart:MJ comparing it to Gilmore Girls. I think that's a good thing, but you said you hated the show.

[Ray G.]

This is the link to the one I originally posted in response to Aquaman.

http://www.lilformers.com/comic0007.php

Classic.

But too many people think Aquaman is still that loser from Super Friends. He's gotten way past that.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

This is the link to the one I originally posted in response to Aquaman.

http://www.lilformers.com/comic0007.php

:-D

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

They spent the whole review of SM:heart:MJ comparing it to Gilmore Girls. I think that's a good thing, but you said you hated the show.

Dude, SM:heart:MJ is far superior to GG

[Hock]

Classic.

But too many people think Aquaman is still that loser from Super Friends. He's gotten way past that.

:mistrust:

Yeah, that's what it looked like during his adventures in Sub Diego.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Dude, SM:heart:MJ is far superior to GG

Current Gilmore Girls, hell yes. But those first few seasons were gold, and on par in quality with SM:heart:MJ for sure.





I just realized something....... now that Sean is bigtime and writing Countdown, I'm going have to wait like a 1/2 hour in line at Chicago to get my SM:heart:MJ signed:(

[Hock]

Dude, SM:heart:MJ is far superior to GG

I wouldn't say that, especially the early GG years, but I don't think they can be compared easily. They are very different.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I wouldn't say that, especially the early GG years, but I don't think they can be compared easily. They are very different.

Yeah, it didn't make sense for Wizard to compare them. Same genre yes, but a big difference in theme and characterization. Both excellent:thumb:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I wouldn't say that, especially the early GG years, but I don't think they can be compared easily. They are very different.

Very different, yes.

But, I think I would prefer to re-read my HC of SM:heart:MJ than I would to re-watch the first few seasons of GG. Maybe its just me.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Very different, yes.

But, I think I would prefer to re-read my HC of SM:heart:MJ than I would to re-watch the first few seasons of GG. Maybe its just me.

I've actually rewatched GG more than I've reread SM:heart:MJ. I don't really have a preference, I love them equally:D

[Ray G.]

:mistrust:

Yeah, that's what it looked like during his adventures in Sub Diego.

Actually, yeah, that sort of proved his strength. He's a very powerful character and a natural leader. Arcudi was building towards a very cool Atlantis vs. Sub Diego story that could have really solidified this, but he was interrupted by OYL.

[Hock]

Actually, yeah, that sort of proved his strength. He's a very powerful character and a natural leader. Arcudi was building towards a very cool Atlantis vs. Sub Diego story that could have really solidified this, but he was interrupted by OYL.

I did not like The Sub Diego. The only Aquaman I've liked in recent years is the one on the animated show, and in Justice.

[Hock]

I killed the thread. :cry:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I killed the thread. :cry:

Bad Hock!

[Hock]

Bad Hock!

IT'S ALIVE.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

IT'S ALIVE.

http://thor.mirtna.org/features/titular_movie_themes_ws.jpg

[Hock]

http://thor.mirtna.org/features/titular_movie_themes_ws.jpg

THat poster is kind of scary looking. I'm going to ogle some Diana Rigg to get that out of my head.

[Hock]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/258322~Diana-Rigg-Posters.jpghttp://members.aol.com/jaquandor/images/diana.jpghttp://deadline.theavengers.tv/images/TVWorldMar66.gif

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Uh oh.

We don't need to accidentally turn this into one of those other kind of megathreads do we...?

[Hock]

Uh oh.

We don't need to accidentally turn this into one of those other kind of megathreads do we...?

No, it was one solitary Diana Rigg deviation. But hey, with all the Supergirl pics that get posted, this is almost a much creepier version of the megathread.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

No, it was one solitary Diana Rigg deviation. But hey, with all the Supergirl pics that get posted, this is almost a much creepier version of the megathread.

Yeah, some of those Supergirl pics are CREEPY

[Hock]

Yeah, some of those Supergirl pics are CREEPY

I could post a picture of that Statue again, but I'm going to refrain.

[bairdduvessa]

I hope you step in Hoppy the DeadPOO!!

the MARVEL deadpoo

[bairdduvessa]

I buy Wizard. :D

me too

[bairdduvessa]

Uh oh.

We don't need to accidentally turn this into one of those other kind of megathreads do we...?

dude we did that months ago

[The Doctor]

So I got JLA issue 0 for FCBD.

I didn't really enjoy it all that much tbh.

[bairdduvessa]

So I got JLA issue 0 for FCBD.

I didn't really enjoy it all that much tbh.

you went with that over a spiderman book?

[The Doctor]

you went with that over a spiderman book?

I got that too you fool;) and the Simpsons one.

[bairdduvessa]

I got that too you fool;) and the Simpsons one.

damn i could only get 1

[Hock]

damn i could only get 1

What kind of shop are you frequenting? I was able to get 5.

[The Doctor]

damn i could only get 1

In mine there wasn't a limit as long as you only took one copy of your choices..

[morlock with a day pass]

from newsarama 52 wrap up interview with didio- about rene montoya/new question-

We’re going to let the fans decide. I like it, I think it’s a wonderful change, and think it’s in extremely capable hands with Greg. I look forward to seeing what he tries to do with it.

so at least a mini sometime soon, right? or she gets involved with checkmate?

[Hock]

from newsarama 52 wrap up interview with didio- about rene montoya/new question-

We’re going to let the fans decide. I like it, I think it’s a wonderful change, and think it’s in extremely capable hands with Greg. I look forward to seeing what he tries to do with it.

so at least a mini sometime soon, right? or she gets involved with checkmate?

I really hope she doesn't get involved with Checkmate. The question isn't supposed to be a part of government organizations.

[SteveZegers]

from newsarama 52 wrap up interview with didio- about rene montoya/new question-

We’re going to let the fans decide. I like it, I think it’s a wonderful change, and think it’s in extremely capable hands with Greg. I look forward to seeing what he tries to do with it.

so at least a mini sometime soon, right? or she gets involved with checkmate?

I hope it's a mini. I can't really see her fitting in with Checkmate.

[SteveZegers]

I'm looking for important comments and stuff to add my thoughts on... Nope! All nonsense!

[Deej]

from newsarama 52 wrap up interview with didio- about rene montoya/new question-

We’re going to let the fans decide. I like it, I think it’s a wonderful change, and think it’s in extremely capable hands with Greg. I look forward to seeing what he tries to do with it.

so at least a mini sometime soon, right? or she gets involved with checkmate?

Perhaps in a Batman arc...after the current writers are done or have to take an issue or two off.

[SteveZegers]

Perhaps in a Batman arc...after the current writers are done or have to take an issue or two off.

It would be nice to see what's up with Batwoman too. I guess they had to wait for 52 to wrap before she could show up there, but it's time!

[Hock]

I'm looking for important comments and stuff to add my thoughts on... Nope! All nonsense!

Nonsense? Nonsense???? Did you see the Diana Rigg Pictures?

[Deej]

It would be nice to see what's up with Batwoman too. I guess they had to wait for 52 to wrap before she could show up there, but it's time!

I'm not really too interested at all about this new Batwoman. I'd rather see more of Batgirl. She seems to have a very interesting story now that she's off the Stroke drugs.

[SteveZegers]

Nonsense? Nonsense???? Did you see the Diana Rigg Pictures?

Ummm, she was on The Avengers, which is a Marvel book. Inappropriate!

[Deej]

I buy Wizard. :D

SUCKER!!!

I actually had a dream last night of Ray posting at 9am "Off to get my comics..."

I have to stop coming to this thread...

[Deej]

the MARVEL deadpoo

I shit on you and the Marvel deadpoo!!

[Ray G.]

So I got JLA issue 0 for FCBD.

I didn't really enjoy it all that much tbh.

It's probably my favorite issue of the arc.

Which isn't really saying much.

[SteveZegers]

SUCKER!!!

I actually had a dream last night of Ray posting at 9am "Off to get my comics..."

I have to stop coming to this thread...

You forgot the snotty "Ray's off to get comics smiley"

One of these?

:rock: :razz: :rofl: :ecstatic:

[Ray G.]

from newsarama 52 wrap up interview with didio- about rene montoya/new question-

We’re going to let the fans decide. I like it, I think it’s a wonderful change, and think it’s in extremely capable hands with Greg. I look forward to seeing what he tries to do with it.

so at least a mini sometime soon, right? or she gets involved with checkmate?

Mini, more likely. I'd buy it, as long as Rucka was writing her.

[Ray G.]

I'm not really too interested at all about this new Batwoman. I'd rather see more of Batgirl. She seems to have a very interesting story now that she's off the Stroke drugs.

Heh. stroke drugs.

She's supposedly going to be playing a big role in Countdown, so you may get your wish. :)

[Deej]

So...are people here more excited for Countdown than they were for 52??

[Ray G.]

Off to get my comics! :boogie:

(in half an hour)

[Ray G.]

So...are people here more excited for Countdown than they were for 52??

I am. 52 was a side story. This is the beginning of the future of the DCU.

[Deej]

Which character will see the biggest change during Countdown?

Probably Jimmy Olsen and Mary Marvel.

How much change can Jimmy Olsen undergo? Aside from being dead??? It seems like the late 80's/early 90's, Jimmy was becoming more of a man...and that was all undone. Are they going to write him more grown up now?

[Michael Blacklist]

So...are people here more excited for Countdown than they were for 52??

I'm more excited in that anything can happen over the next year, while 52 for the most part was limited by what characters we'd seen OYL. Overall, though, nothing I've seen or heard about Countdown has me wanting to get to the store the way that 52 did.

[SteveZegers]

So...are people here more excited for Countdown than they were for 52??

I was more excited about 52. I liked the way it was one big ongoing story with the same writers on every issue. Countdown should be great, but it's just not the same thing.

[SteveZegers]

Which character will see the biggest change during Countdown?

Probably Jimmy Olsen and Mary Marvel.

How much change can Jimmy Olsen undergo? Aside from being dead??? It seems like the late 80's/early 90's, Jimmy was becoming more of a man...and that was all undone. Are they going to write him more grown up now?

I don't think Jimmy is going to change very much at all. They're just going to go back to using him as more of DC's "everyman". He's the guy connected to all the other heroes, while not really a hero himself.

Mary will change, I hope not too much. I really fhate the idea of them ruining her. Same with Ray Palmer. I guess it's not as big a deal since we can just have some Earth 5 stories with classic Marvels.

And Lord Darkseid will send legions of Parademons to peel the flesh from yoor bones!

[Ray G.]

Which character will see the biggest change during Countdown?

Probably Jimmy Olsen and Mary Marvel.

How much change can Jimmy Olsen undergo? Aside from being dead??? It seems like the late 80's/early 90's, Jimmy was becoming more of a man...and that was all undone. Are they going to write him more grown up now?

Two words - Turtle Boy.

Seriously, I think we're going to get a much better idea of what's Jimmy's role in the DCU after this story. Lord knows it hasn't been defined as of late.

[Michael Blacklist]

Lord knows it hasn't been defined as of late.

He's changed more than any of the core DCU characters have in recent years.

[SteveZegers]

Two words - Turtle Boy.

Seriously, I think we're going to get a much better idea of what's Jimmy's role in the DCU after this story. Lord knows it hasn't been defined as of late.

Or Elastic Lad, Gravedigger Lad, The Wolfman of Metropolis, The Human Octopus, The Human Porcupine, Flamebird, etc...

[Deej]

I don't think Jimmy is going to change very much at all. They're just going to go back to using him as more of DC's "everyman". He's the guy connected to all the other heroes, while not really a hero himself.

Mary will change, I hope not too much. I really fhate the idea of them ruining her. Same with Ray Palmer. I guess it's not as big a deal since we can just have some Earth 5 stories with classic Marvels.

And Lord Darkseid will send legions of Parademons to peel the flesh from yoor bones!


BTW...I should have clarified that the Jimmy or Mary Marvel answer was from Dini...

[Deej]

Two words - Turtle Boy.

Seriously, I think we're going to get a much better idea of what's Jimmy's role in the DCU after this story. Lord knows it hasn't been defined as of late.

Why should Jimmy's role in the DCU need to be defined??? He's a Superman supporting character...the same was Jim Gordon is to Batman.

[Ray G.]

He's changed more than any of the core DCU characters have in recent years.

The only major thing I can think of him doing in recent years is boinking a computer in the Chuck Austen mini. :)

And with that, I'm out. Talk to you guys this afternoon!

[SteveZegers]

Why should Jimmy's role in the DCU need to be defined??? He's a Superman supporting character...the same was Jim Gordon is to Batman.

He used to be more of a supporting character for the whole DCU. More like Rick Jones was.

[Michael Blacklist]

The only major thing I can think of him doing in recent years is boinking a computer in the Chuck Austen mini. :)


That, plus him seemingly aging and de-aging every time a new writer came on to one of the core books was what I was referring to.

For some reason, any time I think of Jimmy Olsen, I'm reminded of the story where he and Perry's son's souls were trapped in that satanic club storyline from the early 90's.

[Deej]

He used to be more of a supporting character for the whole DCU. More like Rick Jones was.

Was this when he had his own book or he actually showed up in issues of Batman, JLA, Green Lantern, Green Arrow??? Either way, I'd rather him contained in Metropolis rather than a pal of all superheroes.

[Deej]

That, plus him seemingly aging and de-aging every time a new writer came on to one of the core books was what I was referring to.

For some reason, any time I think of Jimmy Olsen, I'm reminded of the story where he and Perry's son's souls were trapped in that satanic club storyline from the early 90's.

Around that time, Jimmy Olsen relied less on Superman and started becoming his own man. He got pissed off at Superman for passing on some kind of alien virus which caused his body to painfully stretch. After that cure, he got tied up in Cadmus searching for his long lost father.

[SteveZegers]

Was this when he had his own book or he actually showed up in issues of Batman, JLA, Green Lantern, Green Arrow??? Either way, I'd rather him contained in Metropolis rather than a pal of all superheroes.

His own book, hanging out with the New Gods, being all over the place. he was still mainly "Superman's Pal", but he played a larger role.

[Michael Blacklist]

Around that time, Jimmy Olsen relied less on Superman and started becoming his own man. He got pissed off at Superman for passing on some kind of alien virus which caused his body to painfully stretch. After that cure, he got tied up in Cadmus searching for his long lost father.

Just thinking of that Elastic Lad story you mentioned makes me wish I'd taken better care of my comics growing up. I really loved early 90's Superman.

[Deej]

Just thinking of that Elastic Lad story you mentioned makes me wish I'd taken better care of my comics growing up. I really loved early 90's Superman.

I still have them bagged and in a long box. The only screw up I've had was leaving my Superman comics on the floor - the issues where he travels to the Pocket Universe...and having my mom put the puppy in my room because we had guests. The dog had a mini fit and tore them all up. :(

[SteveZegers]

I still have them bagged and in a long box. The only screw up I've had was leaving my Superman comics on the floor - the issues where he travels to the Pocket Universe...and having my mom put the puppy in my room because we had guests. The dog had a mini fit and tore them all up. :(

Krypto would have done the same thing.

[Michael Blacklist]

Krypto would have done the same thing.

With some of the issues, maybe. But even Krypto respects that awesome pocket universe storyline.

[SteveZegers]

With some of the issues, maybe. But even Krypto respects that awesome pocket universe storyline.

Krypto don't follow the rules. That's the kinda puppy he is.

[Michael Blacklist]

Krypto don't follow the rules. That's the kinda puppy he is.

Graphitti needs to make a shirt with an angry Krypto and the tagline "Krypto Is."

[SteveZegers]

Graphitti needs to make a shirt with an angry Krypto and the tagline "Krypto Is."

They made one a few years ago. Just an image of Krypto with his cape blowing in the wind. Very heroic.

[Michael Blacklist]

They made one a few years ago. Just an image of Krypto with his cape blowing in the wind. Very heroic.

I must hunt down this shirt.

[Deej]

They made one a few years ago. Just an image of Krypto with his cape blowing in the wind. Very heroic.

Do you own this shirt?

[SteveZegers]

I must hunt down this shirt.

If you find one, let me know where. I got one when they first came out, but as I said it's been years.

Looked like this:
http://theages.superman.ws/krypto/images/krypto-tshirt2-0.jpg

[The Doctor]

It's probably my favorite issue of the arc.

Which isn't really saying much.

I just found it a bit dull.

Some of the future stuff was cool but it's never going to happen anyway.

[Deej]

I just found it a bit dull.

Some of the future stuff was cool but it's never going to happen anyway.

I'm pretty sure they said 2 of the events will be occurring before Meltzer leaves the title.

[SteveZegers]

No one identifies me with any comic in that other thread. I feel unloved.:cry:

[The Doctor]

No one identifies me with any comic in that other thread. I feel unloved.:cry:

Want me to identify you?

[The Doctor]

I'm pretty sure they said 2 of the events will be occurring before Meltzer leaves the title.

Well I think I saw 2 new soda machines in the background somewhere.

[SteveZegers]

Want me to identify you?

Don't patronize me! :mad:

I just thought I was a no-brainer on something like that.

[The Doctor]

Don't patronize me! :mad:

I just thought I was a no-brainer on something like that.

I'm not.

[SteveZegers]

I'm not.

Nice choice!:)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

damn i could only get 1

Ha! I got five!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I hope it's a mini. I can't really see her fitting in with Checkmate.

Agreed. I either want a mini or an ongoing. Titled Questoya :-D

[SteveZegers]

Agreed. I either want a mini or an ongoing. Titled Questoya :-D

I saw in some interview (Maybe Rucka on Wordballoon) that he considered calling her "The answer", which I kind of like.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

So...are people here more excited for Countdown than they were for 52??

I don't know. Maybe... I can't decide.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

He used to be more of a supporting character for the whole DCU. More like Rick Jones was.

Yup. Except Rick Jones is cool.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I saw in some interview (Maybe Rucka on Wordballoon) that he considered calling her "The answer", which I kind of like.

Eh, no. I think I read in an interview that that suggestion was quickly shot down. Which was the right choice.

[Deej]

No one identifies me with any comic in that other thread. I feel unloved.:cry:

What other thread?????

[Deej]

Well I think I saw 2 new soda machines in the background somewhere.

Are you attempting to be funny?

[SteveZegers]

Yup. Except Rick Jones is cool.

Rick Jones was never cool!

It's:
1- Jimmy
2- Pete Ross
3- Aquababy
4- Rick Jones
5- Snapper Carr

That's the official order.

[Deej]

Agreed. I either want a mini or an ongoing. Titled Questoya: The Quest for Beaver :-D

FIXED!!

[SteveZegers]

Eh, no. I think I read in an interview that that suggestion was quickly shot down. Which was the right choice.

There's still something about it that I liked. The Question leads to the Answer. There's something poetic about that.

But yeah, The Question is a better name.

[SteveZegers]

What other thread?????

In that "Which comic do you associate with a board member" game thread thing.

[The Doctor]

Nice choice!:)
You're welcome.

Ha! I got five!
I only got 2:(

I saw in some interview (Maybe Rucka on Wordballoon) that he considered calling her "The answer", which I kind of like.
That sucks.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Rick Jones was never cool!

It's:
1- Jimmy
2- Pete Ross
3- Aquababy
4- Rick Jones
5- Snapper Carr

That's the official order.

You are oh so wrong.

[SteveZegers]

You are oh so wrong.

OK, Aquababy might rank a little higher.

[Deej]

OK - I'm heading out to get my comics!! Hopefully I can report how great Countdown #51 is!!!

[Deej]

OK, Aquababy might rank a little higher.

you just like to see baby butt in comics!

[SteveZegers]

you just like to see baby butt in comics!

If there's a better character name than "Aquababy", I can't think of it.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Just got back from the shop!

Its weird not having an issue of 52 with me...

[Deej]

Just got back from the shop!

Its weird not having an issue of 52 with me...

Me too...but Countdown #51 was pretty good. I'll have more of an "official" review later tonight. There are a few questions I have for the readers in the know concerning 2 of the characters featured.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Me too...but Countdown #51 was pretty good. I'll have more of an "official" review later tonight. There are a few questions I have for the readers in the know concerning 2 of the characters featured.

I read through Countdown quickly while I was in the shop. My copy'll be here next week. It looked pretty good.

The death didn't bother me, at all. The characterization of Red Hood was good. I love seeing the Monitors taking an active role in things. And Ray Palmer is that important? :crazy:

[Criden]

Busy as hell today. Hoping to pick up Countdown tonight. Whew! Can't wait...hope it's good. Hope you all enjoy your books today!

[Evan Wiener]

Countdown 51 was a pretty good read. I'm intrigued. I think the lack of real-time storytelling will benefit the writing. It was clear that was forcing too many concessions for the writing and hampering the story of 52 at some points.

[Deej]

I read through Countdown quickly while I was in the shop. My copy'll be here next week. It looked pretty good.

The death didn't bother me, at all. The characterization of Red Hood was good. I love seeing the Monitors taking an active role in things. And Ray Palmer is that important? :crazy:

Well...these were my points/questions :

I like knowing that duela dent is from another earth. It doesn't make sense that the Joker has a daughter that old. However, I guess she's always playing the line between hero and villain???

The Red Hood seemed a bit too much like a good guy. I don't really expect that from Jason Todd. If this singer/actress had something of value for him, I can see him trying to save her for his own use.

Ray Palmer is one of the world's best scientists...so maybe that holds the key.

[SteveZegers]

Off to get my comics! (I know, not very early or any special circumstances. but I'm gettin them!)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Off to get my comics! (I know, not very early or any special circumstances. but I'm gettin them!)

Hooray for funny books!

[Evan Wiener]

Well...these were my points/questions :

I like knowing that duela dent is from another earth. It doesn't make sense that the Joker has a daughter that old. However, I guess she's always playing the line between hero and villain???

The Red Hood seemed a bit too much like a good guy. I don't really expect that from Jason Todd. If this singer/actress had something of value for him, I can see him trying to save her for his own use.

Ray Palmer is one of the world's best scientists...so maybe that holds the key.


Joker's Daughter, confusingly enough, isn't actually the Joker's Daughter. Jason TOdd mentioned it, and she shot him down by mentioning he isn't Batman's son. That was actually funny.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Joker's Daughter, confusingly enough, isn't actually the Joker's Daughter. Jason TOdd mentioned it, and she shot him down by mentioning he isn't Batman's son. That was actually funny.


Yeah, the character of Duela Dent is a bit of a mess. At different times, she's claimed to be the daughter of numerous villains. I don't think she even knows who her father really is.

[SteveZegers]

Hooray for funny books!

Huzzah!

[Deej]

Countdown 51 was a pretty good read. I'm intrigued. I think the lack of real-time storytelling will benefit the writing. It was clear that was forcing too many concessions for the writing and hampering the story of 52 at some points.

agreed

[Deej]

Joker's Daughter, confusingly enough, isn't actually the Joker's Daughter. Jason TOdd mentioned it, and she shot him down by mentioning he isn't Batman's son. That was actually funny.


OK. That makes sense.

[Matt O'Keefe]

It's probably my favorite issue of the arc.

Which isn't really saying much.

I got extremely bored by #0. Issue #7 was the shit, though.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I got extremely bored by #0. Issue #7 was the shit, though.

The whole series has been shit.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Mini, more likely. I'd buy it, as long as Rucka was writing her.

You'd buy it if Chuck Austin were writing it, Ray. It's DC.


Heh. stroke drugs.

She's supposedly going to be playing a big role in Countdown, so you may get your wish. :)

Where was this announced? Never liked Batwoman much.


I am. 52 was a side story. This is the beginning of the future of the DCU.

But it's an event:sick:

With Dini and McKeever I can't help but be excited, though


I don't think Jimmy is going to change very much at all. They're just going to go back to using him as more of DC's "everyman". He's the guy connected to all the other heroes, while not really a hero himself.

Mary will change, I hope not too much. I really fhate the idea of them ruining her. Same with Ray Palmer. I guess it's not as big a deal since we can just have some Earth 5 stories with classic Marvels.

And Lord Darkseid will send legions of Parademons to peel the flesh from yoor bones!

That's one thing I have an issue with. They can totally screw up a character and comfort fans by saying "Oh, it's okay. You can read a different story about them here.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Yup. Except Rick Jones is cool.

Yessir. Is Rick still with the Loners in CB's mini-series?


Rick Jones was never cool!

It's:
1- Jimmy
2- Pete Ross
3- Aquababy
4- Rick Jones
5- Snapper Carr

That's the official order.

:nonono2:

[Matt O'Keefe]

The whole series has been shit.

No, #7 was the shit. That means good. Then it went back to the usually suckiness.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Yessir. Is Rick still with the Loners in CB's mini-series?



:nonono2:

Rick Jones has not been seen yet through the first 2 issues of The Loners sadly.

Oh and Countdown # 51 = :Poo:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

No, #7 was the shit. That means good. Then it went back to the usually suckiness.

I'm sorry, you're wrong. 7 may've been slightly better than the rest, but it still wasn't a very good comic.

[Deej]

Rick Jones has not been seen yet through the first 2 issues of The Loners sadly.

Oh and Countdown # 51 = :Poo:

You're wrong again.

[Deej]

I'm sorry, you're wrong. 7 may've been slightly better than the rest, but it still wasn't a very good comic.

#7 was a fun issue.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I'm sorry, you're wrong. 7 may've been slightly better than the rest, but it still wasn't a very good comic.

It would have been a good #0. It wasn't the best book of the week, but it was solid.

[Vonn Hennigar]

1000 posts already and maybe 56 of them are worth reading.

Huzzah!!!

Where's Ray's reviews already so i can hurry up and begin mocking him and his sure to be ***** Book Of The Week for Countdown # 51.